/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

So Hal caught holoAIDS through Towa/Matsuri, which in turn passed to other Niji APEX autists like Kuzuha, Kanae, Ibrahim, etc. Is that right? It's really spreading like a virus.

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

https://twitter.com/ShibuyaHAL/status/1478742169490178053
https://twitter.com/ShibuyaHAL/status/1478742169490178053
https://twitter.com/ShibuyaHAL/status/1478742169490178053

THE SAVIOUR OF /#/

THE EMPEROR OF NUMBERS

KNEEL

EMPEROR HAL WILL SAVE /#/, PLEASE SUPPORT HIM

>>15877502
That experiment is not conclusive since the bot verification is not yet done. Should have started the poll 30 mins into the stream.

>>15877502
THIS ONE

Someone sc him to do it again at least 30 minutes in. 5 minutes is way too early. He got too excited kek

>>15877423
this is a good point*. ideally he'll do another poll when ccv flatlines later in the stream
*not that it invalidates the first poll

Would be interesting to see the results of an external poll site.

>>15877533
I kneel. Please save us Hal!

>>15877550
well we'll see if he gets ccv equal to the final results and how long it takes
>>15877453

I know the poll is nuts but this is the bigger scoop from Hal, the CCV shown to the streamer isn't the same as the public one

his viewership already seems capped? he got like 2500 and it went down

>>15877524
Explains VSPO and Ratna too. Any female Vtubers also just probably overlap with Hololive a bit anyway

laplus waiting room 10k

>>15877524
The Towa 3D stream the other day was a good vector but It's more than just those 2.

>>15877550
YT: oops sorry we'll start filtering out bots from polls next quarter

I guess no harm in it but such a pointless poll lmao. The waiting room cull into verifying viewers has always been a thing.

>>15877596
Seems like YouTube decides a cap for every stream and you’re stuck there.

Theres a reason Hal was the only homo COVER never had a problem with

>>15877502
I need the reaction of 5ch or matome

>>15877535
>support a male vtuber
never

wait so the people waiting is bugged and show more people and the livestream is bugged and show less people? that it?

>>15877646
going up again now that hes in game but it stagnated pretty hard between the games and started going down. I thought this lad was a big Apex boy 2.5k seems pretty low to start dropping viewers even if just in between games unless im mistaken on Hals size

>>15877533
the niji godfield tournament today made it obvious to me now. Youtube is only counting one stream if you're opening multiple tabs.

>>15877675
He will help save your oshi. You better support him

>>15877550
>>15877572
>>15877617
It's now 15 minutes in and his CCV is still over a thousand short of the end of the poll, and that's assuming zero new viewers arrived in the intervening 10 minutes

>>15877533
I TOLD YOU ALL ABOUT THE KING OF INDIES, EMPEROR OF ALL VTUBERS!

>I DID TELL YOU!
YOU DIDN'T LISTEN!

>>15877550
Anon, if he fails to ever beat that poll number (and he likely will) that's enough evidence.
With that said, showing "600 people watching now" when there are 5000 people watching is a travesty in either case

>>15877533
My kneels... I can't...

>>15877701
We already knew this from at least last summer though

>>15877701
>He admits to watching Nijisanji
Gross

>>15877533
>>15877535
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS! I KNEEL

TAKE MY ENERGY

Damnit, the waiting room "bug" has been there since last year. That's not the issue here. We might need to put it in the OP. There's been a lot of tourists here

>>15877677
Waiting room viewers all need to be 'verified', so that's the drop you see at the start. Then there appears to be some absolute fuckery going on during the stream, where a good chunk of viewers just never show up in the public CCV but apparently DO show up on the streamer side. That would explain why Mori threw out that 2k figure of 'missing' viewers, she's been watching her numbers and knows roughly what the discrepency is.

>>15877677
>people waiting is bugged and show more people
That's retarded to even assume. Youtube NEVER overcounted anything in their decade long history

Luna has 10x as many likes on her stream as she does viewers.

>>15877723
number thread is really just niji anti thread huh. it gets sooo slow here when holos aren't getting numbers lol

Hal did the poll too early, he pulls 5k-10k viewers on Apex so the numbers on the poll weren't absurd considering it was just 5 minutes into the stream and YouTube was still processing the viewers

This new reality is now with us forever.
Just accept it.

>>15877704
1k more in polls than ccv has been a thing for a long time. We need bigger discrepancies than 1k

another poll Hal now that its been 20 minutes onegai....

>>15877759
you know bots can be programmed to like streams, right?

>>15877777
when the poll maxed at 4.6k and CCV is currently around 4k, 1000 isn't a small number

>>15877796
it has been like this for more than a year

Hal did the pool too early

I think the best time to do a poll is maybe 15-20 minutes after the CCV starts inevitably flatlining.

This is out chance to get Kiara to do a bunch of informative polls. Platform, country, viewing habits, members, superchat habits, etc. Both to try to figure out the cull and get some more behind the scenes info

Stop biting the bait retards

>>15877833
Can someone superchat him in Japanese?

>>15877796
It's been like that for a long time. Are you new? Anything bigger than 1k, now that might be something

https://youtu.be/9A08eWF0Xz4
haachama stream in 50 min....new 3view incoming
is this counted as a guerilla?

>>15877856
i'm saying 1k isn't a small discrepancy when the seemingly max amount of viewers is 4.6k.
if there were 10k+ then yeah 1k difference isn't that big

>>15877790
>you know bots can be programmed to like streams, right?
kek, interestingly enough I've been in the receiving end of this sophistry

>In other news target for love just reached 1 million views
Fucking finally, shit shill song destroyed my shark perfect score

Despite Riku's best efforts (collab fees, charging for new outfits, etc) to fuck up the EN branch, the most popular stars have emerged from their male wave. What does this mean for the next hololive generation? Are they going to have males or will they abandon the market and continue to be female only?

>>15877875
Guerilla streams don't have waiting rooms.
Speaking of which, anyone tracking guerilla streams? They should be immune to the waiting room cull, so we should be able to add another metric to the calculations.

it's all the fault of kpop niggers overusing their indian bot farms. they tried to make BTS song beat world record a few months ago and now we dont count as real viewers because we fell into the margin of error of the new algorithm

For people saying hololive should move from YouTube to Twitch.... Dude. Forget about it. From am outsider's perspective, people are just not going to move to Twitch. Youtube is where the hololive audience get their content. The translated clips are on YouTube. The holoGra are on YouTube. The music are on YouTube. It's just too convenient. You can't just make them change their habit overnight.

>>15877502
Amerimutt SJWs are no better than the CCP. They are fucking manipulative as hell. Youtube became like RT.

And as usual, those dumb Amerimutt woke subhumans fucking suck at hiding things.

Hal finally passing his polled numbers from the start of the stream

>>15877932
What would be the actual numbers for those 1M+ kpop streams?

>>15877952
if they were to swap they'd probably do it slowly.
also, its normal for twitch streamers to have some presence on youtube

>>15877952
Maybe don't switch completely but do some simulcasts or once a week/few a month streams on Twitch just to protect their egos and preserve their sanity. If this continues Kiara is going to be streaming to 500 ccv. Even if she knows its bogus that shit is maddening. If she announced it properly and hyped it she could probably easily get 10K on Twitch

Will Kanae fail to beat 4k for the second time ever in his Vtuber career?
It's not Valorant this time but Mahjong.

>>15877761
Now no need to Play the victim card here that dude is just another one of the many resident schizo here and number thread has a schizo for everyone not just Nijisanji

>>15877922
hololive and holostars are separate :^)

>>15877952
How many JP people actually used twitch? I could see that hurting the JP side even more

>>15877502
FalseEyeD is already on the case

https://twitter.com/FalseEyeD/status/1478728490979573765

>>15877979
He should poll it now and see how much it goes above the current amount.

>>15878000
Oh gods that's not looking good.

>>15877983
Youtube actually doesn't remove the botted numbers from VODs because they want to charge the advertisers more. But when it comes to paying ad revenue they subtract all that lol

>>15878040
look at RTA numbers

>>15877761
>number thread is really just niji anti thread huh. it gets sooo slow here when holos aren't getting numbers lol
FUCKING KEK

>it's the fastest thread in the board right now

>>15877952
more holos making twitch accounts would put pressure on youtube at least (assuming they even care)

>>15878040
JPs only use Twitch for JP traps, and esports.

Alright so I'm back /#/, I need a quick rundown on this HAL dude, is he reliable?

>>15877952
>>15877992
Twitch literally has a button to export your VODs to Youtube in one click, streaming on Twitch then posting VODs to Youtube afterwards is extremely common

>>15878071
Why would they care?

>>15878000
he has been like this for several weeks before what are you talking about

>>15878041
good shit, that's one vtuber news guy who's at least somewhat tolerable

Iroha started a twispace 5 minutes ago, already 6k listeners

>>15878041
who?

Let's fucking GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478742434913955848
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478742434913955848
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478742434913955848

>>15878084
Nah, he polled way too early

>>15877952
>>15878040
Has nobody ever paid attention? Pekora and Miko have both used twitch and gotten sizeable views similar to if a bit lower than youtube in 2021 (I don't remember exactly)
They just need to switch to twitch for a few streams to make a scene and fuss to youtube

>>15878070
It's Nijifags and their victim complex

>>15878087
Is that before or after they mute 20 minutes of audio for playing 10 seconds of a copyrighted song?

>>15878087
Probably one of a few indies that managed to beat Holo and Niji from time to time.

maybe its the polls that are bugged

Korone is a terminal case. Never surpassed her waiting room numbers. We should start making a list of terminal patients. Korone, Iroha, who else?

Hal clip, don't know if it's of any worth though
https://streamable.com/s0qiu9

>>15878125
they are monitoring the situation

>>15878084
Anon, Shibuya Hal is nicknamed "The Emperor" in this thread, and for two reasons

1) he, while he was an indie, was the highest ranked indie by CCV of all of them
2) he is the vtuber with the most connections in the field and the organizer of most of the cross company tournaments

If someone getting pissed at what's happening can mobilize a lot of vtubers, that would be him

>>15878146
After, which is why most people record their streams locally and post that instead of using the Twitch feature

>>15877502
WATASHOGUN WILL HAVE WATAMAGE'S HEAD
JUSTICE SHALL PREVAIL

>>15878125
>there's more retards complaining so we'll wait and see how big it actually is before we give a shit
Thanks youtube.

>>15878125
>update: we have reviewed the reports and have confirmed that it is indeed working as intended and removing spam viewers. for more information, read this link

>>15878151
people are just switching accounts to vote again, numbers is grasping hard

>>15878125
I’m surprised they even acknowledged it instead of giving a generic response.

Hals viewers really dont like to "Like" streams though do they.

Of course Hal would be angry at those bad numbers. He's about to debut his FPS vtuber/streamer group this year after all.

>>15878125
Anon, I'll fast forward their answer for you
>your complaints were heard, now the polls won't be ahead of the displayed CCV anymore

Here is the code that fixed it
> if displayed poll vote > displayed CCV * 0.737
> displayed poll vote = displayed CCV * 0.737

Then people will point out that poll vote freezes at 73.7% of the displayed CCV, and others will say it is "a conspiracy theory" and a coincidence

>>15878125
Well it's something at least, not expecting a fix any time soon but the fires are starting to rise

>>15878200
I too vote, rush to log into my alt account within the next minute, and vote again in a poll purely to add one vote and rig it

>>15877761
>it gets sooo slow here when holos aren't getting numbers lol
lol
lmao

>>15878150
She got flagged after the 24H marathon stream damn... and here I thought she was the salvation for JP 10ks

>There were probably more people watching than I thought.
You think, Mori?

>>15878215
The thought of Japanese Apex schizos turning on them has spurred them to action

>>15878187
I mean it's kinda hard to take seriously when actual chuubas aren't talking about. No, Hal doesn't really count he just bitches about every little thing, like seething for days about tap strafe in APEX or losing RP for disconnecting. We need corpo chuubas speaking up

>>15878215
It's been building. One or two outraged faggots? Can ignore. People learning that their PREMIUM accounts might not be counted properly? That gets some eyebrows. When you start to get hundreds of reports from all over though, someone needs to get called up though, and at that point it's "not my problem, let the tech guys figure out what the fuck they broke".

>>15878084
Probably the only Indie that managed to beat Holo and Niji in ccv

>>15878199
fuck you made me check

>>15878084
He is extremely transparent on his numbers, he gave an entire rundown on the monetary logistics of VSaikyou. AND he owns a vtuber company that finished auditions and he and his team were wrapping up looking at applicants weeks ago. Of course he wants this issue to be fixed.

>>15877952
Holo JP still uses Nico sometimes for a special event and Subaru and Aki have used Twicas. Friendly reminder Japan has their own streaming sites. So even if every Amerimutt streaming site went full blown Chink they would still be able to have their own shelters and move there.

>>15878271
>realized after 1 year
damn lol

>>15878246
only takes 10 secs

>>15878200
I voted on my phone, my ipad, my smartwatch, ran to my kitchen to vote on my connected fridge under 1 minute and ran again to vote on my Tesla.

Thousands of hololive fans did the same as me. We are coordinated on discord.

>>15878313
Can confirm, I did exactly that

>>15878299
Hololive on Mildom let's fucking go!

>>15878230
Thanks, I'll use that as an interview question

>>15878299
NND is the worst website I've ever used. Would rather Holos start streaming on Dailymotion honestly.

New poll

>>15878125
Holobrony cope

>>15878200
>>15878313
>>15878347
I made all these posts. In fact i single handedly boosted all the polls with 2k+ votes with all my devices

>>15878313
Why is it so hard for people to accept that some people just watch with two devices. One vote on PC and one vote with the phone in their hands to boost engagement.
It's not that improbable

Numbers on this poll are nowhere near as dramatic

Hal your engagement numbers are shit. Your fans suck.

only 96% engagement this time

14k waiting for Laplus into 1k watching, I know there was always a drop before but it was never anywhere near this dramatic no?

>>15877533
I'm a holofag, but even I have to admit ..
MY KNEES, MY KNEES ARE BENDING ON THEIR OWN

Laplus final waiting room number

laplus' waiting room cull has to set a new record

>>15878448
How long was it up for? He should have let it go for a bit longer

>>15878397
>watch the same stream with two devices, one of them logged in on another account, and bothering voting twice even, consistently, across several different streamers on the platform

>>15878448
96% engagement for a bunch of Apex normalfags is at least triple what you'd expect

That La+ cliff, holy shit

>>15878486
only around 2 minutes

>>15878397
If they did that how would youtube know they were the same person? It's 2 unique viewers at that point.

>>15878486
2 minutes and some seconds

Someone post the La+ Nike

ACCELERATE

>>15878397
>some people
We are talking about streams that are 2k-4k even after the culling. Sure, maybe there is some guy who can pull off his phone under 1minutes, but there is no way that thousands of people did that under 1 minute. A lot of those viewers don’t even have a PC and are watching on their phone on bed and won’t vote.

>>15878526
Stop engaging with retarded seriously jesus

>>15878548
JESAS

>Irys has the most overlap with holoJP
>afftected the most by the cull
This is not a coincidence. It started in holoJP and started spreading around like a virus.

Don't you dare imply that Gura is hit by the cull as hard as Pekora.
Both of their last streams have the exact same length but Pekora has higher VOD views despite slightly lower CCV.
Also Pekora had a Superchat readng part that dropped her views plus she doesn't have the massive archive viewers buff that Gura has.

>>15878548
Capped at 6k incoming

>>15878448
oh no no cull bros....

>>15878573
please don't start this time loop again

>>15878573
Stop coping
There is no culling

>Enter stream
>Vote on the open poll with multiple accounts and devices
>Leave a dozen likes and a dislike for good measure
>Post in chat
>Leave stream
This is how the average Holobrony box pusher behaves.

>>15878573
Shut up zhang

>That chat speed for La+
Holy shit

>>15878573
interesting, nice catch

>>15878448
You bet your ass he's gonna tweet out what his account recorded the peak CCV was after and it's gonna be closer to 7-8k.

Good morning spicschizo

>>15878647
It’s incredible you’re staying up this late Flip.

>>15878041
>FalseEyeD is already on the case
No he's not. You will soon out he's no different from the likes of Hero Hei, Woolad, Quartering and all those other fags.

>>15878642
Pekora has 433k views on this stream, Gura has 317k on her gta stream

>La+ delayed the stream half hour because she wants to win a gold with waiting room numbers
How calculating is she?

https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478742434913955848
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478742434913955848
Will there be some hope now?

>>15878647
you forgot the part where i do the same for every niji, vspo and indie i know
and their roommates
at the same time

>>15878742
Slowpoke-chama...

>>15878735
Not at all, she was dying during the collab

>>15878448
>2 minutes for 95% poll engagement
>with an audience that wont even click Like on the stream
yeah okay youtube

>>15878573
See >>15872164

La+ chat speed looks like a 30k room at least

>>15878677
what are hal's apex streams previous numbers

>>15878720
>Nousagi bring up VODs cope
How the tables have turned

Laplus pls do a poll just for the numbers....

>>15878782
Too many anomalies, that thing can only be taken at face level.

>>15878742
Not until it gets bigger than at least the dislike button controversy considering susan said fuck you and still did it.
tldr no /#/ is dead

>>15878760
oh....i forgot to check the thread gomen

>>15878790
14.5k waiting room would be 30k by now, instead it's 6k lmfao this is a joke

>>15878472
Why would you say "but"? He thinks Guwa is cute. He has nothing against Holo, just because he's friends with Niji doesn't make him a tribalist.

>>15878790
>all that emote spam
yeah this is exactly why her stream displays 7k instead 30k

>>15878798
near 10k before the suspicious late december

Just took a quick glance at the thread, so CCV peak is shown in the user's private dashboard but is inaccurate during the actual live stream?

>>15878125
>we have just fixed the issue, now polls hide total votes and only show percentages

Does anyone have an edit pic to pekora viewership before and after the cull? I need it pls

>>15878915
The actual number is only shown a few days later, and it's nowhere near the numbers that would be accurate

This could all be solved by not showing CCV publicly

>>15878915
>so CCV peak is shown in the user's private dashboard
Probably not, since ludwig showed his and it was the same as the one shown in playboard

>>15878915
Yes. But I wonder whether it counts waiting room numbers as well for it

I know numbers are fucked, but is no one really going to make a daily tally? Who won today?

>>15878991
Hal's showed highest concurrent viewers anon. It's in the part cutout in this screenshot

>>15878742
yes, sure they will do something about it

>>15878975
This will probably happen after what happened with the dislikes, it would still allows streamers to show their numbers to sponsorships

>>15878991
Who knows, maybe they paid special attention to Ludwig’s channel considering they spent over 10m on him.

>>15878125
PR response. Nothing will come out of it.

>>15878975
color rankings

/#/ is getting botted I see.

I feel so bad for the low viwere chuubas, they dont deserve this...

>>15878448
Still weird. No way you got that much of an engagement. 30% is the twitch average.

>>15879023
Toya. Daily tally only happens after 1AM JST anyway

>>15879023
What’s the point of a Tally anymore. There’s no feeling of victory over a fucked up number.

>>15878802
I mean, that's what chumbuds have relied on all this time so it's only fair they get a taste of their own medicine, right?

>>15879082
The confirms the theory that the numbers are low because no one watches the streams.

>>15879082
time to cull

>>15878991
The 最大同時視聴者数 part is the highest concurrent viewer count

>>15879035
What are you even implying? Hal showed 700 concurrent viewers in the screenshot but implied the real numbers are higher. Which means the content creator sees the same peak as everyone else and youtube doesn't correct the ccv number for the creators

>>15877533
i KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLRUU

>>15879023
yeah that'd be like maintaining the scoreboard for the tennis tournament on the titanic as it's sinking, what's the flipping point?

>>15879023
Toya gold
Gura silver
Ironmouse bronze

>>15878275
>I mean it's kinda hard to take seriously when actual chuubas aren't talking about. No, Hal doesn't really count he just bitches about every little thing, like seething for days about tap strafe in APEX or losing RP for disconnecting. We need corpo chuubas speaking up
Why would they care?
And don't say "Sponsorships".

>>15878573
>vods views
Wait...i thought you guys told me it was irrelevant

jesas... just read the previous thread

Streams over 10k (05.01.2022 JST)

Toya 19,789
Gura 17,845
Pekora 15,903
Fubuki 11,988
Debidebi 11,946
Nijisanji 11,508
Ratna 10,947

Winners of the day

#01 Chloe 39.2k
#02 Korone 48.1k
#03 Pekora 59.7k
#04 Nijisanji 14k
#05 Toya 19.7k

kek, send this back in time and ask numberfags to explain

>>15878991
that's as it's going on, Mori mentioned seeing the same number on her end as the public number too. Hal's thing is that he's opening a stream that took place two days ago and it has a completely different number from when he was currently streaming.

>>15879152
nvm, I didn't realize you were talking about the mahjong pic

>>15879106
And its only fair you get called our for the hypocrisy
But either way Peko had a more solid average (discounting supacha, she had 14-15k)and Gura a higher peak, this doesn't prove shit other than Peko having has more views overall on that stream

>>15879159
>Compare Twitchbots to Youtube cullling numbers
Fuck off

>>15879200

Haachama guerilla

Should be intersting

>>15879152
>Hal showed 700 concurrent viewers in the screenshot
What screenshot? Definitely not in his latest tweet. He said the numbers are fucked and posted two screenshots of analytics. This one is posted with him saying that he didn't remember viewer count going above 2k

>>15879200
wait a 14k was yesterdays gold? what the fuck

>>15878275
Corpo chuubas can't really be that loud about it since it would be a major embarrassment if it by some miracle turned out it was bots being culled. Corpo people would prefer contacting YouTube directly and in private.

>the scales are falling off of everyone's eyes now
Guess who's laughing now huh? People who said the numbers weren't adding up right after Christmas were called coping schizos. Now? Pioneers.

>>15879263
kanata waiting room took yesterdays gold with 18k

ENTER

>>15879044
Then how would a sponsor know which streamer to choose if they don't have CCV to measure popularity? This fucks indies so bad and screws companies with microinfluencer sponsorship strategies.

>>15879143
hm thats not the same page though, hes looking somewhere else in youtube

>>15878975
Better yet make their own version of Bili points.

>>15879200
>another day where you can't even make a top 10

>>15879284
The fact they were right doesn't mean they aren't also coping schizos

>>15879263
its a reality now. we will never get even 20k+ gold again

>>15879291
Subs and views of course.

>number culling made /#/ the fastest thread
we've won... but at what cost?

>>15879291
They should buy ads on youtube instead of doing sponsorships :^)))))

>>15879200
>this faggot actually erased kanatas 17k from day 4
kek the sad state

>>15877533
Emperor of Numberkind, please save us!

With HAL's statement I am now pretty sure that the bug is just user validation being extremely slow. But no clue about why is it so and why it seems to be fucking vtubers especially

>>15879317
>just because you're correct doesn't mean you're right

>>15879353
No, just because you're right about one thing doesn't mean you aren't a schizo in general. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

>>15879316
At least we have a rank

>>15879328
Personally i’m waiting to see who reaches 2view first. It’s still a free horse race but inverted.

laplus plateauing at half her waiting room lol

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
THEY HIT AMAMYA TOO! THOSE BASTARDS!

She's usually on the 2k range! Sorry for laughing at your oshis anons!

Korekore is live and doing better than his average?

[GOOD NEWS] Youtube will now only show percentages on polls instead of total vote count

>>15879200
Gozaru lost the battle against Susan

>>15879294
Ludwig showed the real time stats which shows the same CCV for viewers and the streamer. Hal showed the stats for old live stream which seems to show the correct CCV.

>>15879455
iroha no...

>>15879455
Iroha... you were too cute for this cruel world

La+ went from 14k waiting to 1k watching, this is actually demented. They didn't even spare my nijiwife...

Join the membersheep unless you don't want Susan to fix the numbers fast

>>15879376
cope, you schizos were screeching "Pakora" while people like me rationally explained its most likely a racially based cull, been saying it from the very beginning.

>>15879455
Has anyone been hit worse than Iroha? I swear that this happens on all of her streams, and she was inclining so hard...

>>15879483
I have my Jingisukan badge for a year of membersheep and I'm counted as a bot, sorry Watamage

>>15878720
>nousagis are tourists and only stay for 30 seconds
>chumbuds are dedicated viewers that stick around for a long time
I remember this exact thing being said in reverse when Pekora had higher CCV and lower VoD views

>>15879439
>>15879480
H*lolive needs to be quarantined away from the rest of the vtubing industry before it's too late. These two got hit because they interacted with h*lowhores before.

Gura’s recent GTA5 vod is really weird. It’s uncharacteristically low across the board and there’s not much of a reason for it from what I can tell honestly? I understand her VODs climb over the days yada yada but her views on the vid is climbing at a snails pace compared to even dbd and her likes are some of the lowest in recent memory.

Kind of weird considering her numbers live were solid and her messages per min were really high as well.

>>15878782
This doesn't take into account stream length though. Longer streams will have a higher unique chatters/avg ccv ratio.

>>15879480
>from 14k waiting to 1k watching,
bruhhhh

>>15879200
>Nijisanji 11,508
Wait, the noon show only got that? What does the anon who insisted people were just getting bored with it say now? This is obviously nonsense.

Since these threads have shown that twitch numbers are the only ones that can be trusted, I propose we restrict the topic of this thread exclusively to twitch numbers. Those who wish to discuss youtube's numbers and "the great cull" are welcome to make their own thread.

>>15878548
similar to matuli and chammers stream today, 10k waiting room and it didn't go over 4.5k during the stream

>>15879526
I mean there was a HoloX collab
People will switch HoloX to Pekora and switch back to HoloX
That's why the Vod views are high

>>15879621
>Since these threads have shown that twitch numbers are the only ones that can be trusted, I propose we restrict the topic of this thread exclusively to twitch numbers. Those who wish to discuss youtube's numbers and "the great cull" are welcome to make their own thread.
This but unironically.

>>15879615
>niji recline
>bad guests
>people are bored with it
take your pick and continue to pull the wool over your own eyes

>>15879621
i agree with myself

>>15879621
I propose you hang yourself.

It's 1am in Japan and by my count there's around 26k people apparently watching Nijisanji lmao

>>15879584
It is lower than usual, and the viewer verification was pretty slow too considering it was only a 2.5 hours stream.

>>15879490
>plural

>>15879455
we need to start collecting screenshots of waiting rooms

>>15879690
>>15879584
She's playing through the boring parts of GTA, it should pick up again when she gets closer to the end

>>15879621
Daily Tally ad infinium
Veibae
Nyanners
Ironmouse
NimuVT
The Rest of the VSJ and Snuffy

and they never break 20k unless collabing with huge clique streamers. There ive done your thread for you.

>>15879691
>your shitty discords

>>15879675
Holo is under 30k too

>>15879717
i don't know about other people but i haven't had a chance to catch up with it yet since I'm still working

>>15879733
I'll start

>>15879584
It's a bit shorter than her usual GTA stream but it should still get to 350k-400k views after a while.
Her GTA streams are clip behemoths so at least it'll generate that engagement.

>>15879584
Her live numbers weren't that solid. She had a good peak because of the nonsense of her benny hill chase with the police kept bringing people in. This is why you shouldn't treat peaks as king, but I'm preaching to nonbelievers on that one.

>>15879717
Yeah I get that. What I meant is more that her views typically drive up overnight and you see more of a “booming” vod, but it’s barely moved despite having much better numbers compared to dbd live. Not saying there’s anything suspicious going on, it just seems weird that there isn’t nearly as much activity considering there were some super clippable moments in the gta vod

>Chama failed to break 1k
and started declining

How many "similar report" do you think they got? I only see three so far.

https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478742434913955848
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478744025993732101
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478743141133996039

>>15879584
2 hours only what do you expected? People really just can't accept she also culled by half too and twice: 2020 and 2021. We don't really know her truth actually numbers since december 2020 but her vods are always above 300k

Pain

>>15879809
youre seeing an unironic cull debuff, the numbers arent high so people are hype about the streams
also january is always a bad month for youtube for whatever reason so theyre reclining AND being fucked for the double whammy

Some bloke picked up the mantle for doing the Holo songs ranking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTr1pWBmafE

>>15879852
holoX seemed to just be fucking railed by it. poor Lui

>>15879591
I think i did one with stream length and it look even more erratic. It just shows that active chatters tend to stay the whole stream. I’ll try other things tomorrow. Going to sleep for now.

>>15879865
did the channel that normally does it die or something?

>>15879819
jesas...

Not like this

>>15877533
Emperor, I kneel

>>15879823
Cover and Nijisanji private chat to Youtube, Feedback form, etc.

Feels like I'm back in 2019-2020 youtube. I know this is bad but it kinda feels cathartic somehow..

>>15879908
he doesn't monetize them and is a bit broke rn

>I love you as long as you're not a parasocial
She loves me bros! She loves me!

>>15879865
This guy already fucked it up since Target for Love isn't on the list at all, it should be somewhere in top 5 just by eyeballing it.

>>15879908
Basically the channel owner needed to get his shit together, and since those videos were done without monetization, they were done out of love for the music and numbers (but weren't paying bills).
So, on permanent hiatus until his shit is sorted.

>>15879854
Yeah I can see that being a thing honestly. A lot of the EN tourists probably don’t even realize what’s happening so they see low(er) views and just decide to not check in on the streams. This goes for the others too obviously

>>15879947
SONG RANKING BRO LOVE

one million in a little under 10 days

>>15879946
If vtubers naturally reclined and we went back to the days of comfy chats and high numbers being a rare and well-deserved achievement I'd be fine with it, but now we have all the negatives and no positives

>>15879947
>>15879979
numberbro... i hope he finds his way

>>15879200
Has any Niji member said anything about this cull (on stream or Twitter), or have it been only Holo, VSPo, VOMS and indies (i.e: HAL) who brought it up in public so far?

>>15879979
>>15879947
Is he actually stupid that he doesn't monetize his videos or would he get in trouble for monetizing hololive songs? Because if he could have monetized, what retard wouldn't when you get consistent 100k+ views for each video you shill out

>>15879997
Very bad for Gura, but explained by:
-shill debuf
-cover of a song that has 200k fucking views so almost no song buff
-Blue Archive took 300k views by reuploading to their EN and Korean channels (seriously what the fuck was the point of contracting her if not to get her audience watching)

>>15879997
9 days and 9 hours, to be precise

>>15880037
Cover doesn't allow monetization and it would be claimed anyway

>>15880037
You still see ads on the video and that ad will go to cover

>>15880037
Copyright bots from those covers' originals

>>15879974
https://youtu.be/FTr1pWBmafE?t=958
that's next week's score, this one only covers up to the end of the year and appearently target for love is too new

This Gura dedicated JP clip channel is pulling some real views. Sometimes it will get like 4k on a video, sometimes it will randomly go viral to 50-100k.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCub__YBYmh7idd8biQyGgYg/about
>89,464,137 views in total
He's also competing with ANOTHER Gura dedicated clip channels that averages way more per clip but uploads less
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChhcieZzdkZfECz4KWaxWMw/about
>30 million views
I'm surprised to see a "this holo only" channel get so much, let alone a EN to JP channel.

Chama 1k get!

>>15880145
Gura cute, what else needs to be said?
Cuteness transcends all.

>>15880054
My theory is that she was intending to bring it up the day before and have the premiere properly put up for people to know and tune in but got thrown away because she cancelled the stream that day. Instead we got a random ass drop with literally zero promotion apart from the initial tweet and one single follow up comment on her next stream

>>15880155
Chammer ... Not like this ...

>>15880145
This kind of shit is why Hololive won't die even if they all moved to twitch

>>15879564
It's not the chuubas its the fans getting flagged. You're better off blaming unityfags

>>15879951
>unironic vshojofags in this thread

>>15880168
No doubt she fumbled promoting it, but I still think the top issues are it being a shill song, leeched by multi channel uploading, and basically a Christmas themed song dropped on Christmas (people are fucking done with Christmas after 25th, this needed to come out way earlier).

>>15880155
I'm staying in the trenches to help gather evidence to pressure YT to fix this shit but goddamn this is miserable to watch

>>15880090
Just open a patreon bruh

>>15878790
Going by the 2.25 rule she has about a 35k CCV.

>>15879823
Well, it's more than we got in the last few days, so I'm on hopium now

>>15879951
who what

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>19,797: Toya (Nijisanji)
>17,734: Gura (Hololive)
>15,872: Pekora (Hololive)
>12,091: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,954: DebiDebi (Nijisanji)
>11,501: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>10,577: Ratna (Nijisanji)

Notice that these latest tallies are just an historical recollections of what happened because it has ZERO relation to the actual live viewership of the streams of the day.

>>15879823
From randoms on Twitter? I've seen more than a dozen just by searching with "teamyoutube viewers" keywords, and I have no doubt there are actually more (i.e JP reports). Wouldn't be surprised if Cover and / or AnyKara have been asking them to have a look at the issue either

>>15880304
I love it tallybro. Do put an asterisk on these for the future if this shit ever gets fixed. If not, well just make a note that the numbers were fucked starting from the start of the month.

>>15880090
Cover does actually, monetizaiton via ads is in fact one of the few monetization methods that cover explicitly allows.

>>15880155
I remember when Mumei got like 24k for a guerilla karaoke about a month or two ago.

FUCK YOU. You gave holoaids to Hakache too. How the fuck did she get it? I don't remember her interacting with h*lowhores before.

>>15880359
all her viewers were bots
how do i know?
all me

Holobots i kneel

>>15880344
>just make a note that the numbers were fucked starting from the start of the month.
I'll just put that disclaimer from now on.

>>15880359
vtuber community is one big orgy where you partner swap every day. If someone has HoloAIDs you're going to catch it eventually

>>15880304
a-are we even getting a top 5 tomorrow?

>>15880386
asus, your engagement...

>>15879823
>I will report this issue everyday
>Until you fix a problem
autism

>>15880393
Kek.
KEK.

>>15880304
4 Niji : 3 Holo, another win for Niji organic viewers, both the crown and amount of streams above 10k.

poor laplus....karaoke reopen monetization stream can't even beat fubuki shiny hunt numbers...almost an hour and not even 1m yen sc

Someone REALLY loves being tribal huh.

>>15880359
No, it's you faggot. It's the fans who are shadowbanned. You chose to watch a holo, a niji, vespo, or just fucking Apex. You're carrying the aids

>>15880386
Wtf

>>15880304
Even with the culling
Queens are still Queens
King are still...king?

La+ watch time is 3.3 minutes per view
Her average CCV would need to be at least 3 times higher to reach a normal watch time ratio

>>15880386
>From 1M to 36K

JESAS

Asus had a waiting room of 1m+ that was culled to 50k
https://i.imgur.com/oP3tnyi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gB3eMnO.png
https://i.imgur.com/CNgXesD.png

>>15880479
Listening to her while playing a card game, guess that doesn't count.

>>15880447
she got like a thousand members today, she will be fine

>>15880304
Iroha...

>>15880386
This is how the poll should be if it wasn't botted by.

>>15880483
>https://i.imgur.com/oP3tnyi.jpg
>>15880488
Hahaha wtf

>>15880488
broken af

>>15880447
>not even 1m yen sc
She only got demonetized for like a day lol, she's doing good considering

>>15880488
Graduation when?

>>15880483
>>15880488
Asusbots I kneel

>>15880488
Jesus

>>15880527
I, too, have 20,000 logged in bot accounts lurking around 5000 streams 24/7 waiting for someone to put up a poll so I get to rig the results.
Get on my level.

>>15880483
Is it really 1 million? They're at 27k right now.

>>15878572
irys also does the most karaoke/concert style stuff of the ENs, so if the emoji spamming is a cause then you would expect her to get hit pretty hard

>>15880488
BOTS

>>15880488
I wonder if it could be related to news sites embedding the stream vs people watching it on youtube.

>>15880488
>>15880483
kek

>>15878142
still remember the numbers since it was hot topic back then
Miko MC Avg before 2020 cull(prime time): 27k
Miko MC Avg before 2020 cull(late night): 20k

Miko MC Avg after cull early 2021(prime time): 15k
Miko MC Avg after cull early 2021(late night): 10k
YT fuck up and Miko late night guerilla MC on Twitch: 17284

which is a reasonable number since not all japanese willing to watch on twitch
17k is very close to the 20k she usually has and it already exceeded her median at the time
now just wait for her to use twitch so we can compare the current numbers:
Miko MC Avg before 2021 cull: 24k
Miko MC Avg after 2021 cull: 7k
Miko Twitch Watchalong: 7k

Pekora on the other hand we don't have much data
she played MC like once but it has shit number because it was hardcore mode
during the time hardcore was done to death by holomems and everyone got shit number on it except Miko
but I can already see a easy 40k if she does a normal MC now
rememeber her unculled MC are at least 50k back in 2020

>>15880242
Cope

>La+ 6k ccv but 17k likes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeEXqClMSRE
27k views with slow as fuck chat. Damn, Laplus has faster chat than that

>>15880483
this is what happens when you hire too many pajeets

Chink dictionary bots are more human than me

>>15880488
Is Asus big enough to raise a stink about it that Susan will pay attention to?

youtubros.....

>>15880657
To be fair I doubt average viewers watching massive cooperate reveals would chat to begin with

>>15880649
Pekora got somewhere around 18k with an unscheduled Twitch Minecraft stream that she only announced on Twitter as it started

>>15880679
They are
Will they though? That's another story

>>15880488
ASUS...my poor, poor ASUS...

>>15880679
if they went apeshit,yes. kinda looks bad for business if people suspects you are using shit load of bots.

>>15880679
I doubt they'll even notice

>>15880488
Start concerntweeting about this while tagging youtube

>>15879243
Yeah cause Holobros would never fake accounts.

>>15880679
You're thinking this wrong. What you should do is raise a stink that Asus is botting with that 1M waiting room. Force Asus to confront YT directly.

>>15880488
Hypothetically if CCVID is contagious, and enough Hololive viewers watched Asus' CES presentation, would that make it a superspreader event that transmits it to a million people

>>15880657
>27k
That's literally low for a brand like chinksus
mf raided twitch thots have more ccv than this.
...inb4 youtube actually does something forr Asus.

>>15880155
let me show you a simple comparison between today's collab between chammers and matsuri and the collab between chammers and suisei back in September and please do tell me what you think:
>haachama X suisei:
it had a peak CCV of 20,114
it's currently sitting at 211,324 VOD views and has 15k likes.
>Total number of chats: 22259
>Number of chats (Japanese): 14378
>Number of chats (stamp): 4713
>Number of chats (English): 3438
>Number of unique users: 2864
>Number of unique members: 587

>haachama X matuli collab:
the ACTUAL peak CCV during stream was 4,505
It's currently sitting on 210,779 views only after 5.5 hours of the stream ending with 19K likes, the stream started with about 4K likes and ended up with 17K
>Total number of chats: 14487
>Number of chats (Japanese): 9698
>Number of chats (stamp): 3019
>Number of chats (English): 1770
>Number of unique users: 2468
>Number of unique members: 562
so with the exception of CCV as well as number of chats, the stats are pretty much the same, you could even say that the later stream should've had higher CCV.
while the collab with suisei had 4.85 comments per second and the collab with matuli had 3.91, the collab with suisei was 17 minutes longer which nets close to 5k comments more so the total amount of chats should make sense, which means the only thing that varied a lot is the CCV

>>15880787
It is. Asus had 1M waiting room for that stream

https://twitter.com/kureijiollie/status/1478768170433323008

>>15880803
King no more... even within his own company

>>15880775
This, let them fight.
It's either asus confess they are using bots or youtube confirms they are doing a shit job.

>>15880679
Not by itself, if this can be twisted into “ASUS bots their conferences lololol” and make raddit front pages maybe it’ll start mattering to them enough to get to the bottom of it.

>>15880803
King...

>>15880803
King... my poor King...

>>15880479 (me)
Koyori 2.5 min/view
Her average CCV would need to be at least 4 time to get a minimum of 10 min/view

>>15880803
Is it time to send Kuzuha on a boat to a deserted island while singing KING in an Apex tournament?

>>15880488
4k views kek

>>15880803
144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k
144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k 144k

Looks like Minecraft made everything worse again. Koyo at 6.3k likes, Lap at 18k likes.

>>15880803
he's no king until he does the poll

>>15880821
Based. Need more people tweeting about it.

>>15880821
>she thinks it's only 50% decline
ngmi

>>15880803
Kuzuha is within Mysta mogging territory now

>>15880962
La+ is a massive vector. She has a lot of nijifans who watch her and only her out of hololive. Suisei too. Towa poisoned the APEX scene with her live.

Also Iroha is getting hit the hardest makes me think she is liked by holofans that get around.

>>15880962
Look at those drops. Over 1000 Plusmates turned into bots in one stream

>>15879733
>NimuVT
Is not first half of 2021 anymore anon
Is been ages since she has beaten even a JP holo before the cull.
Unironically it can occur the same for vshojo because, if we go by nimu, the clique buff can wear off.

6/7 current Holo JP streams are well below their waiting room numbers, this is getting worse and worse every day

>>15881013
>Susan is destroying vtubers so hard and ignoring ManjisanjiEN
>now ManjisanjiEN is black shipping their JP counterparts
I'm fucking dying here. There is humor in this calamity

>>15881043
FUCK

>>15881037
i only know the big 3 of VSJ are doing 5 digits these days and I knew Nimu reclined but i was unsure if she reclined below other VSJ girls and Snuffy at this point.

>>15880821
>"y-you guys are retarded schizos and there is a reason why everyone wishes your deaths every time you show up"
>shit like this starts happening and people are waking up
The rest of the board will kneel.

>>15881037
the top vshojos were already hitting 10k+ months before they collabed with mizkif and co

>>15881043
im gonna fucking kyoani susan
in minecraft

>>15881013
My kuzuha vs orange kuzuha time loop joke is coming true?

This is it. Susan is putting an end to JP vtubers. They were too much of a threat to western whores and will be buried from now on.

>>15881043
all I see are Nikes everywhere

>>15880888 (me)
Polka 8 min/view
Flare 7 min/view
They are at the 2h mark. My guess if that the average CCV should be about 1.5 to 2 times higher

>>15881013
Mysta is truly Kuzuha killer

>>15880428
rip kuzuha
chin will try to continue your legacy
because your people already left you for dead

The real reason behind the culling is that Susan plans to debut as a vtuber and needs to remove the competition
She will be the gura killer

>>15881043
How should we name this? Cullvid?

>>15881087
The time has come to rename the board /#/.

all hail veibae

>>15880962
>people suspected lap was an undercover niji agent sent to destroy hololive from the inside
>actually an undercover holo agent sent to destroy nijinigger viewers

>>15881087
It's incredibly hard to wake normies up to anything going on that doesn't fit into their preconceived narratives. Look at Pizzagate.