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>>15871365Susan, mercy please...
>>15871337>Data for Pekora's current stream directly from the api.. That viewcount.That's what they mean by >won't affect your Watch Time or ViewsHere is from my channel, this won't change but, for a live streamer, the live numbers won't be accurate anymore
I propose a nuclear option. Start spreading rumors that hololive is botting on Twitter. This will force everyone involved to react.
Pekora is still inclining.... 20 viewers at a time.We're coming for you Kenmochi!
This is it....the end of Vtubers on YouTube
>>15871390Nah, Hololive is not big enough in Japan for that to work.Here is an alternative: start spreading rumors that Nijisanji is botting. That will get the attention of the Google Trends Vice President in charge of Japan and he will quickly get to the bottom of it
>>15871337>102K CCVCome the fuck on susan>>15871390I propose you buy a rope
>>15871389If Google's own analytics/metrics are still going to count the live viewers in their final statistics, why cull in the first place?
>>15871428Anon, that's not ccv...
>>15871428Not CCV, that counts churn and also >watch 30 seconds, tab out, tab in watch 30 secondscounts as 2 views.
>>15871428That is vod views
STIER.
NIJI GOLD>NIJI GOLDNIJI GOLD>NIJI GOLD
>>15871389Yup, won't affect revenue but it'll affect a sponsor's evaluation if they can't look at CCV anymore. Well, VOD views is better anyway.
>>15871439i see it more like a deterrent
>>15871428That's the total views not CCV, still absurd for a "13k CCV" stream though
>>15871365SUSAN YOU WHORE RELEASE MY OSHI FROM THIS RIGGERY AT ONCE
>>15871365LEFT FOR A FEW DAYS WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING TO OUR NUMBERS ANONS?!?!?
Youtube lost the war against spammers.
>>15871474>VOD views is better...For livestreamers?
Meanwhile crypto streams are aiming for golds with those 30k viewers. RORU RUMAO
They already said there's nothing wierd going on, please take your meds
>>15871439They want to be seen as a serious big-boy streaming platform and having a bunch of anime ladies at the top of the charts is embarrassing >>15871458Speaking of embarrassing, I think you ought to put any daily gold celebrations on hold while it's the equivalent of winning a marathon where almost every entrant has food poisoning
>>15871505Bro youtube doesn't even show your CCV statistics to the public once the stream ends.They openly admit that it could be inaccurate and for accuracy, check the number of views on the VOD.What do you think?
>>15871520lies, all lies i sayimagine trusting jewtube
>>15871450Agreed, there is some churn. But I sincerly doubt all 13k of those viewers tabbed out 9 times each from the start of the stream.
NIJI going strong!! https://youtu.be/UnTW9hCTSMw
>>15871439makes it harder to game the system for views as you don't get accurate realtime feedback maybe?
I thought all the HoloJP fans seeing their oshis reduced to three views would cause enough outrage to change things get back....guess I was wrong
>>15871533Imagen trusting literally anyone in 4chan
Where can I get those ccv graphs?
>that matrix dodge before hitting 12kSorry DebiDebi, 12k is for winners. You can have your 11.999 3/4 but no more than that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRg8LHuij-0>2k for Miko/Flare/Patra
>>15871520>DeclineYes
>>15871492Susan knew numfagger existed then decide to kill it.Same reason they make downvote not counted anymore.
>>15871520This. Holokeks are just in disbelief and copeing like their lives depend on that.
Just fucking switch to Twitch already.
>>15871553i would rather
>>15871552Unless they start flying to America to burn down the hq nothing would change.
>>15871520>topic of distribution is not attracting the viewers's attentionEAT SHIT AND DIE SUSAN
>>15871548Yup there's literally nothing new going on, YouTube themselves said that nothing has changed
>>15871552Japs are corporate bootlickers.
>>15871556You can quite literally hear the SCREEEEEECH of the tyres locking and the chart breaking right before 12k
>>15871592Of course nothing new is going on. Of course nothing is wrong. Just like the dislike button was removed for the 'mental health' of it's creators.
>>15871600Is the AI in development mode or something? It's culling at arbitrary numbers
>>15871600Same thing is happening to Pekora at 14k.I just saw the CCV update 1 view up and down a few times.Such precision!
Not even pekora can clear 20k nowHolo is finished
>>15871529i think then youtube it's not for streaming "LIVE"
Years from now they're going to ask us: where were you when jewtube killed vtubers We're gonna say: we stood by and watched.
How can i bot streams like crypto??
>>15871614Always has been
>>15871570THERE'S NOTHING WEIRD GOING ON FOR FUCKS SAKEHOW MANY FUCKING TIMES DO PEOPLE HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT LITERALLY NOTHIGN CHANGEDmoving to twitch will just result in the same numbers
Susan just get rid of live views already. It hurts to look at them...
>>15871616Nousagis can't boast about CCV anymore rumao
>>15871612It's good that Youtube is taking steps to preserve the mental health of their creators, like hiding dislikes, and hiding 80% of their audience overnight while telling them they're viewbotting and their past success was actually all spam
>>15871559>YouTube won't reverse the culling>They'll see that they've taken a major decline in hours watched>They'll still insist that there is no problem>YouTube gaming shuts down like most Google projects do
I remember somebody here said that you can check if you send watchtime data using inspect on browser? Is it true?
>>15871559>DrLupoI present you a Youtube Partner minna-san
Barely 2000 people watching a single POV Miko-Flare-Patra collab lol, I know Patra's channel is a big debuff for anything other than ASMR but this is just ridiculous
>>15871653This is unironically the next step, see you mid 2023.
>>15871614IT'S NOT A BUG! For fuck sake, it is clearly the product of a deliberate programming and it is hapenning from way before this current batch.It's the "first stall", "second stall" that people used to comment on events. The programming seems pretty basic1) Do a "spam viewer check" when the stream starts, release the viewers in the stream as they're checked2) Do a "spam viewer check" at set points of the stream, likely determined by the past performance of the stream.That means if a stream is growing at a higher rate than the algorithm determines as "natural" it does a "spam viewer check".It's not a fucking bug, it is likely by design that it works that way. The effect of culling a real viewer may be unintended but the behaviour is exactly what was programmed, it is not a bug in the programming.
>>15871505>1 million vod views on a sponsored video, but the ccv count only averaged 5k??>that used to be 500k views but 20k ccv! >clearly they’re doing worse even though 500k fewer people saw the content, we should stop sponsoring them!Makes sense
The question is, will it get worse overtime or will it stabilize at a certain point?
>>15871667The most likely outcome.
so who will be the first to do a regular stream on twitch. I severely doubt any from en will.
>>15871653it is indeed embarrassing for their prized streamers getting mogged by anime, might as well hide it
>Pekora struggling at 15k minecraThis woman got 60k on random minecraft streams in December 2020.
>>15871675Why make any effort to support people who grew organically to huge success on your platform when you can simply pay millions of dollars to poach someone from Twitch to stream to 1/3 of the audience and then cook the books so it looks like they were worth the money instead
Peko 15k get ... *sigh* This is what /#/ has come to for the last few days ...
>>15871675kek this guy was pulling like 20k ccv on twitch
>>15871744>I severely doubt any from en will.Because they're dumb. Why the fuck Ame even do Youtube watchalongs?
>>15871744EN would be the best to test viewer counts though.
>>15871724We'll never know how the deal with the sponsor goes but Noel did a sponsorship stream that has ccv as a target. This was after last year's cull so naturally, she can't reach it.
>>15871724This literally doesn't fucking happen. Stop doomposting.Sponsors don't care about CCV.
>>15871733Who knows? The ideal case is for everyone to get so badly they HAVE to address the issue. The worst-case is that whatever's causing the problem stops where it is RiGHT now, because it's still contained enough to be out of sight, out of mind for many, but bad enough in this niche to be absolutely deflating. It unironically needs to get much worse for everyone before it has even a smidgen of a chance of getting better.
>>15871675>5 hours, 6k CCV and currently 38k VOD viewsNene's last mario kart was 2 hours, 2.6k CCV and currently has 113k VOD views.
>YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UPKanae getting more views on Twitchcast than in his past gaming streams on Youtube
>>15871744No one will move to twitch, ever. Nips don't use that site as much the reason there's a reason Coco didn't stream on twitch despite her wanting to
>>15871808"It's bots" incoming
>>15871811https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1478653013179117570https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1478659535971958791
>>15871733>stabilizeUnacceptable. They need to revert whatever change they did
>>15871744EN would benefit the most. The JP climate on Twitch mostly revolves around FPS.
>>15871778Noel has always had low viewership even without the cull she wouldn't have made it
>>15871790The worst case is that it gets as bad as it possibly can without reaching the point where it gets better.
I wonder if Cover is going to make a public statement about this. It’s obvious there’s something wrong
Pekora seems to behave more like the ENs. She's still going up slowly and doesn't get hard capped after the first 15-20 minutes.
>>15871841Yeah, but the point is that some sponsors do look at ccv.
This is what Hololive audience gets for chasing away drama channels.If fuckers like HeroHei, Quarterpounder, Nux still cared about hololive you can bet they'd be at least regurgitating the proof this thread has for easy clicks.
>>15871821You can't even bot Twitcast can you?
>>15871853What would they even say, as obvious as this seems there's no solid proof. Youtube could just pull excuse out of their asses.
>>15871808Same thing happened with Laplus with her Twitter space. It has more viewers than her regular stream.
>>15871839i just feel that en would be somewhat hesitant at first since they are likely aware that current twitch streams would try and get them to be in their clique. be it otv, otk or whatever else there is
>>15871873That's literally one sponsored stream out of thousands
>>15871808Does twitchcast count ccv if you tab out?
>>15871872I'll make their headlines for you then>Hololive caught in a huge bot cull, Nijisanji and other companies unaffectedThat is what generates drama, not>Vtubers world caught by Youtube miscaliberated spam viewer filter
>>15871826PLEASE BE BIG KSON AND HOLOLIVE MIGHT START STREAMING ON TWITCH
>>15871873That's literally 1 out of the dozens of sponsorships Holos get in a year.There's way more examples that suggest sponsors do not look at CCV, seeing how many of the game sponsorships HoloEN and HoloID share despite being heaven and earth in terms of CCV.
>>15871872They alredy said there's nothing wrong, please stop acting retarded
>the numbers were real before!he still believes this!
>>15871905I'm pretty sure no other site has that bullshit except youtube.
>>15871850Why? Everybody will found out that they are using bots. Not worth it.
Mario Kart tournament winning brackethttps://youtu.be/30og7RwryCs
There will be a time you will be able to calculate the final CCV for a stream based on this.,
That's it, I'm making my own streaming platform.
>>15871708>The effect of culling a real viewer may be unintendedIt's absolutely intended. Employees withing Youtube hate vtubers and they especially hate certain vtubers in particular like Kiara. They'll never be held accountable until people wake up and realize they're manipulating numbers on purpose for malicious reasons.
>>15871874It's probably annoying to set up, but I have no doubt it's possible.
>>15871911>Nijisanji and other companies unaffectedYeah man, say that to Lize's 7k costume reveal...
>>15871939Goodluck billionairechama
>>15871904who told you this?
>>15871872>Heistopped doing actual valuable drama because videos about twitter litteral whos give more clicks apparently>Quarterpounderwho?>Nuxdoesn't want to advertise competition to his upcoming vtuber group
>>15871956That has nothing to do with the cull. I've done a lot of research into this subject and Nijisanji isn't being culled. They are just going through a genuine recline.
>>15871872>HeroheiBad rep amongst EN fans>NuxFucker will spout bullshit for clout.>QuarterpounderThe least bad choice because he was featured by CocoFor any of them, one of their fans needs to reach out first.
>>15871921>please stop acting retardedBro, those retards are goners... To late to save them.
Susaaaan aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa stop it!!!! https://youtu.be/wRg8LHuij-0
>>15871904You don't know that.
>>15871977Why the fuck does this always make me laugh
>>15871977Explain Kanae mr researcher.
>>15871896So, just like when they were blowing up? They can ignore them and disable raids. Problem solved.
>>15871977Yeah, that's why Kuzuha couldn't break 70k for a 3D stream with new costumes and guests right? Don't be fucking ridiculous. Kuzuha and Lize are their most popular male and female talents respectively these not the numbers they should be getting
Why is VSPO getting culled? ;_;
we hate pakora here
Why are so many bait posts?
>>15871995is that Patra? Holy shit i used to listen to her asmr years back, good times.
>>15872004Gotta admit. It's getting funnier the more he says it for me lol.
>>15871826>Kaichou saves vtubing againBITCH LOVE
>>15872029Shitposters come here from other threads, probably /jp/ too.
>>15871977classic post
>>15871998>>15871967Feel free to list more examples of sponsored streams where they needed specific CCV goals in order to unlock prizes.Until then, the overwhelming number of sponsorships spread out between Holos and Nijis suggests CCV is not an important factor compared to other numbers.Fucking Eli (3-digit Niji) just got a Project Sekai sponsorship a few days ago next to Yashiro (8k average Niji) and Nene.
>>15871752How the mighty have fallen.
lui nee 3665 waiting room to 300ish...
>>15872024That has nothing to do with the cull. I've done a lot of research into this subject and VSPO isn't being culled. They are just going through a genuine recline.
>>15872056I'm guessing shes the guinea pig to see how well someone can transfer over from youtube.
>>15871520Yeah, tens of thousands of people just randomly lost interest overnight at the same time, bro. Nothing unusual here.
oh god it's 9, prepare for all the new 3views
10k on gozaru's waiting room, I bet she won't even get 1/3rd of that on her actual stream
>>15872069Nta but the fact that they DO consider ccv is bad in its own right
>>15872081kek
How the fuck are Holo Minecraft numbers so low? Doesn't that avg. Peko atleast 22k?
>>15872010sort of and i know they can disable raiding its just with them now being on the same platform i could see them being a bit more annoying so en would let jp go first
>>15872089It didn't happen overnight
>>15872116Did you just wake up from a coma?
12k to 1.4k
>>15872069>8k average NijiThis doesn't exist
>>15872116Why are you still asking this? Are you new?
>>15872136im actually fucking furious
>>15871927It's missing Gura who smoked Ina.
>>15872116Hi newfriend, what's the weather been like under that rock?
Pakora rightfully below the shark and God-Emperor Toya. There's no cull. Stop coping. These numbers are fair game.
>>15872092~750 start and ~4k ceiling for the curve, calling it now
>>15872116pakora recline bro
>>15871977I also have done a lot of research and found out that there is no ccv cull at all. It's just Holo has been using bots this whole time. In reality their average ccv is 5 times lower than Niji's average ccv. When youtube finishes with their bot culling (it's only starting), all holos will become 2views-3views - their actual numbers.
i've reached a new low and resorted to ratios... or worse, ratio charting.i have other thoughts on creating estimated "realistic" average ccv from live chat data but not desperate enough to setup the capture, db, and code it.for now, here's a sample of unique chatters/average ccv. these are all from solo streams excluding events, announcements, shill, or guerilla collabs. what i was trying to capture is the individual holo audience. Originally picked Gura, Ina, Subaru, and Peko because they seem to share less among themself. I added Miko and IRyS for comparison because Miko share the largest audience with Peko and IRyS share the largest audience with Gura.things that stick out, IRyS seems to be doubly fucked by susan or have a lot of viewer churn. the churn might be from the times she overlaps gura. ina hasn't done a solo stream since the new year relay so no idea what her latest ratio will be. she doesn't seem to be affected by the christmas cull. Gura's GTA V stream from today may have more casual viewers that haven't been flagged yet as compared to yesterday's DbD.
TOP KEK>Sorry Peko, you didn't pay your Youtube collab fees to be allowed 16k
Uuh why haven't anybody point out that some chuubas can't get their waiting room numbers anymore? all i can find is people pointing out the votes. We used to think that youtube's just ferifying accounts but it's different now.
>>15872141>>15872130Normalfags finally noticed so they're coming here. Expect more in the next few days.
>>15872116Yup. Susan doesn't like chinese cartoon woman hogging the spotlight from corporate bought and sponsored streamers from twitch.
>>15872149Pekora will beat Gura's max CCV anyway, shitposter-kun. She's stacking way bigger buffs and has an average CCV higher than her pre any of the culls.
>>15872149>>15872158why are nousagis like this?
>>15872163Too try hard. The other post is humorous because of its simplicity. Yours just reeks of actual seethe.
>>15872168That's my main issue, some streams take 30 fucking minutes to reach their waiting room and some take never even reach half of the what the waiting room had
>>15872185it's a zhang that's been shitting the thread since the 26th, don't mind him
>>15872167To be fair HoloX just started streaming.
>>15872167You can have 15.999 3/4 tho
Do we confirm Gura is stronger than Pekora now?
Susan is racist and homophobic. I can’t believe she’s trying to ruin the careers of all these anime Japanese lesbians
Waiting roomIroha 12.4kLa+ 7.6kChloe 5.7kKoyori 5.1kLui 3.7k
>>15872082Will she be a good guinea pig ? Her normal CCV is not the high side (usually 3k to 4k and her meme review isn't the 40k beast it used to be)
>>15872212good, pakora should graduate already
>>15872168people have been pointing that out for awhile now
>>15872179Anon Gura beat peko 2/3 times pre 2020 cull in average ccv and the one time peko won she only beat her by not even higher than 500 ccv
>>15872209Always has been
>>15872195>>15872168People don't talk about that because 1) most of the audience don't know what a "waiting room"2) They are *used* to the waiting room cull and will just reply that "this already used to happen before"1 min polls getting 3x the size of the audience, both at the screen at the moment, is a much more powerful rhetoric device
>>15872224Lui...no....
>>15872167>They are now on equal grounds concerning culling>Gura is beating PekoraSo Gura really was stronger all along? I KNEEL to the Shark.
>>15872209This is like one of those dragonball scenes where a hotshot fighter has to fight under the same increased gravity as someone he thought was weaker.>b-bakana, she was under THIS MUCH GRAVITY ALL ALONG?
>pekora minecraft with holox>barely 15kIEEEESUUUU
>>15872149
i will literally admit that gura is stronger than peko if you give me my fucking numbers back, i can't take it anymore, please
fuck this is depressing, not only this will ruin sponsorships but also some people will be discouraged to watch because of the low numbers. Retards will say their SCs and subs are still the same, but it won't be for long because the the hype will be lost.
>>15872224Can't believe we're at a point where these were better numbers than I was expecting.
>>15871826So i just checked some twitch stream, did they only have 1080p (source) as stream quality choice?I am sure HFZ have varied choices for this...
>>15872284This is already happening to me. I literally can’t watch because I feel so bad
>>15872209I'd argue that she always has been when you look at her explosive VOD growth but the disparity in CCV made that a tough discussion to have for some people. However, if this cull keeps going as is I expect Gura to beat Pekora in CCV a lot more often now.
>>15872004>>15872040Because you both are retarded, now go back loser's
>>15872276Funny, this is what I said about Gura/Pekora in 2020.The world was wide enough for both of us nutsakis..but this is the future you chose
>>15872284AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>15872227Depends. She would be mixing with an entirely different culture. If vshojo can be somewhat of a success over there Kson I'm sure would fit in just fine. Plus she has friends over there with raids introducing her to newer audiences.
Amazing, that was a lot of bait in the past 20 posts
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1478699933071212552ERROR cancelled due to lack of numbers
>shitposters going all out
50k views in less than 10 minutes for lapubabu
>>15872323Can you beliueve most of it was made by the same one (1) schizo?
>>15872323Seahours
>>15872263I love this post
>>15872149Toya getting 19k for a zatsudan...My king...
>>15872284Atleast it seems to affect everyone, so theres a chance it's addressed. LSF post has normie fans noticing the same thing for their favs.
>>15872167>>15872202Looks like the drop is less than the usual drop pre-28th
>>15871365i hate this ugly cunt she needs to lose her job
It happened again and ironically on another Minecraft stream
>>15872331translate weebs
>>15872337Obviously her entire audience changed every minutes, there's nothing wrong with youtube after all.
We hate Pakora around here.
>>15872296Transcoding is only available for accounts that meet some criteria (being monetized I think?). If you're a fresh new 2view people can only watch at whatever exact resolution and bitrate you're streaming in to Twitch
On the 25th of December, 2021 I typed this following curse into youtube and inscribed potent magic into it>Literally every single youtube vtuber is the Gura killerI brought this upon us all.
>>15872372stop fucking with my poor sweet samurai susan please
>>15872306if even you feel bad, how do you think lui and noel feel? god i feel like shit this past week.
>>15872331>>15872379[Apology & Announcement]Due to various reasons, the hololive ERROR Official Program scheduled for January 6, 2022 (Thursday) has been cancelled.We sincerely apologize to all those who were looking forward to it. Thank you for your understanding.
Numberfags I implore you. Show proof of these culls by screenshotting plain Youtube instead of "3rd party sites", Youtube faggots are discounting this proof by using this excuse.
>>15872379>We're postponing event streams until Youtube stops being niggers, starting with the next part of ERROR
>>15872412>>15872423kek based
Towa doing apex without a frame. Watch Vodka and Sumire have more shit ass numbers than normal. She is spreading around holoaids.
Why does holostats ccv graph and max country show different peaks for RBC?
Is it just me or does it feel like Pekora wants to start crying on stream?I don't blame her.I feel the same.
>>15872418>by screenshotting plain Youtube instead of "3rd party sites"Anon, unless you are the channel owner screenshotting their own analytics>meaning one of the girls doing itThey will continue discounting it as "third party sites".
>>15872418That's what all the screenshots of polls with 300% engagement in 45 seconds are for anon
>>15872409Exactly I feel bad because I’ve been thinking about how they feel.....I just want them to be happy
>>15872412>>15872423If they really cancelled it because of viewers then that's good, because then it shows they know something fucked up is happening
>>15872418tell us how then, youtube doesnt show total views on its own
>>15872453Take your meds
the stats between haachama's collab with suisei and matsuri are pretty much the same with a decrease in comments assumingly from the decrease in stream time, if it hits 200k in VOD views, can we assume that haachama's 4.5k was actually at least 20k?
>>15872418
>>15872452Peak waiting room sometimes is not shown in the chart but picked up by tool anyway>>15872453She's not. Watch streams. Learn Japanese
>>15872366Should pay attention to Ludwig, he switched from twitch to YT recently, if he is getting number nerfed now it will be a big deal
>>15872479They'll never admit it outright, but that's probably the reason.
>>15871826this should be interesting although despite the nip fpsniggers doing fine on twitch, with jun as an example nips dont seem to like going from youtube to twitch.
>>15872453It's just you, shitposter-kun. Also meds.
Pekora 4.9 minutes/viewPekora's average CCV should be at least 2 times higher for her to get the usual +10 min/view ratio
>>15872490this should be unironically the main screenshot you fags should spread
>>15872496He's a poach so he gets preferential treatment = no cull.
15872388Don't use we /here/ you shitflinging zhang
>>15872395You son of a bitch!!!!
>>15872496His numbers are still good, but he's also had more than 100% poll participation so no doubt he's affected
>>15872518
>>15872520Should turn timestamp on in the comment section so people know it's all at the same time
>>15872396You WILL get a menhera samurai by the end of the month and like it!
>>15872412Not postponed?
Pekora 35k+Laplus 15k+
>>15871365>Roboco>7k likes>897 viewersI don't normally care about numbers but that's too fucking far susan, you've crossed the line. I will never forgive her if she upsets this robot
>>15872418Nenechi
>>15872540Honestly, this isn't even that good since it's 3rd party and Towa got close.For holo streams and waiting room cull, the best ones are still shit like Kanata's stream or Iroha's minecraft stream on vrabi where it's clear that they never get close to the waiting room numbers.
>>15872418Chicken
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478695345848791041Anyone mind making a clip?
At least it's trending on Twitter
>>15872252Number of 1+ million vods in the last 6 monthsGura: 6Pekora: 9That's with a 1.4-1.9 million more subscribers during that period.. Stings a bit doesn't it chumbud?
>>15871744Honestly?Probably someone from JP6.They're major numberfags and do fairly short streams which raises potential gains.
In happier news Suisei's phony hit 5 mil after 40 days
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/76c580ef19ca5d8d05e545e203f358ee648f5628apparently this means nothing to youtube.
>>15872591>EOP
rrat
>>15872603This fucked up numbers should be the thing that’s trending
>>15872591There is already a clip there and it is very clear. People would make one if possible but how to even know when a poll will be made.When is next Kiara stream?
>>15872591>asking for an english translation when they can reply in Japanesei think the PR is just trolling at this time.
>>15872610>VOD copeTo see nousagis reduced to this, it's bittersweet. I wish we could both have our real numbers back, but I'll take this sweet consolation.
>>15871949>hate certain vtubers in particular like Kiara.KFP cope. Based YouTube.
>>15872639It's not showing how old the poll is
>>15872499Whatever JP audience decides to migrate will immediately be dwarfed by EOPs.
>>15872641If you want, just post fucked up numbers using that tags
>>15872663Yeah I'm just posting whatever I have on hand
>>15872591>durr can you translate that shit for usLiterally why the fuck? It doesn't matter what the poll says, and every other metric you'd expect Youtube to visually understand without a translation. AND THEY ALSO HAVE A JAPANESE DEPARTMENT
>>15872651Agreed, I would also love to have no culls at all.
>>15871365get this ugly cunts face off my catalog
Nenechi2, bit of an older poll that capped on 5.9k
>>15872610Gura has a much better ratio of 1+ million vods though since she streams a lot less.
>>15871826I kneel.
>>15872603Nijisanji was right about numberfagging Twitter's trending topics
>>15872663Why would people open the stream for five seconds just to vote on a poll and bail? Hololive live broadcasts are not something you just randomly get in your recommendations unless you're already consistently watching them.
>>15872499Switching platforms xan fuck you over hard. Major risk to rake.
>>15872632>>15872650>>15872689Stop being niggers and get this man a clip. We can shit post and fight each other again after this is fixed but we need to band together to win this NOW!!!
>>15872654>Based YouTube.Is that what you're going to say when they delete your oshi's channel?
>>15872628>#1 among all vtubersFor now Rushia. TICK TOCK
>>15872712She does and she has worse if you normalize it for subscribers. There is no discussion about that Gura has a harder time now to hit 1 million vods then during late 2020 early 2021.
Chuuba for this?
>>15872610Well well well how the turntables, and yeah we lost you happy yet?
>>158723379 povs = a lot of switching between tabs = a lot of views.
the queen hasn't lost her touch
>>15872654I don't understand this post.Are you saying KFP are coping by making up that youtube hates Kiara? Then what are you calling youtube based for?Or are you saying that youtube does hate Kiara, but then wouldn't that mean KFP isn't coping?
>>15872490survey bots, they are everywhere on youtube.
>>15872735I'll take that if it means Kiara too, so a mass suicide of the KFP ensues.
>>15872800Yeah the poll that was op for 1 minute got 5k survey bots
>>15872584Don't edit the images, take a plain screen wide screenshot, even do screen records idk
>>15872770Firstly, numbers.Secondly, that's blue archive fanart, not a chuuba.
>>15872830I'm just posting images I've been gathering over the last few days, but agreed.
>>15872284>>15872306
>>15872800kek ledditors were saying this unironically on the LSF post
>>15872772No, I'm fuming at all the ccv bullshit. I wish I wouldn't have to bring up shit like this to either false flagger or serious attempts at pitching pekora vs gura.
>>15872730The only "fix" they will do is cull the survey number too lol
Streams over 10k so farTouya 19,789Gura 17,845Pekora 15,903Debidebi 11,946Nijisanji 11,508Ratna 10,947
>>15872423Dropped error on the first episode. And as far as know, they've never had a lot of ccv, so it would be really strange for Cover to bitch about its numbers during "cull"
>>15872800>youtube comes out with an official statement showing data proving everything was just bots>viewbots, likebots, pollbots, subscriberbotsShe will just keep winning
>>15872855LSF consists of 99 % twitch drama sisters. They would love it if Youtube had done this intentionally to vtubers.
>>15872164additional numbers. seems like jop chatter comments more often that eops.
>>15872479Nah, they most called off because of Shion.
>>15872892Guess I'm a bot
>>15872610The famous chumbud vod cope, nice falsefaggeing chumbud you are not fooling me.
>>15872911hey what is the % before and after? % of what exactly?
>>15872871So be it if they want to keep being niggers. We have to at least try though.
>>15872610Moving goalposts are we anon?
>>15872892Those sneaky bots, behaving exactly like a human viewer would, even going as far as superchatting!
>>15872911草
>>15872567Your waiting room like reps, anon...
>>15872941unique chatters / ccv average
what the fuck was that Twitter bot that showed graphs of Niji chatters viewers and likes/dislikes?
>>15872591Replied with two English screenshots.
This bug will stop low tier vtuber from inclining.
>>15872960There's no way the disparity is that crazy, or I've been blind for years.
I can save her.
>>15873031Good. Indie vtuberhood is a siren's call that demands you waste thousands on art+rig to be a streamer.Come home streamer man/woman, come home not to the face cam, not to the voice only stream, but the voice only Let's Play.
>>15872965>gura has more unique chatters than average ccvHow powerful is she despite getting uber culled...
>>15872954Any examples of a stream with a number of unique superchatters equal to CCV?
rushaaaa!
This looks fucking wild! Btw her peak was 1289 why does it say 1535
>>15873067Is that 23k USD?
Hey numbers, I'm the guy who spent millions hiring talents for youtube gaming. I need these investments to deliver so i can get my bonus and buy my ticket to space. Help a true number brother out and play along.
>>15873088waiting room
>>15873067
Shizuka Rin is streaming to less than 300 people. Is that normal for her? I thought she would have more since she’s part of the JK gumi
>>15873088>why does it say 1535She never beat her waiting room lmaoWelcome to 2022 anon
>>1587309420k
>>15873088youve cut the part where it would say who that is, anon
>>1587309420k with current exchange rates
>>15873100Waiting room was <1k
Pajeet is paying so little attention he can't even follow the fact that it's not the twitter guy's channel , but Nene's. lmaohttps://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478708137968517132?s=20
>>15873062Give it a day or two and we'll get there>>15873094It's ~¥520 per average viewer. She really does know how to milk people
So who is not hit by the cull that hard outside of EN and Okayu?All of Holox Peko Nene Botan are equally fucked.
>>15873127no, waiting room was 1.5k, but it doesn reflect on the graf
Watching number being shit aside, did Iroha actually had more people waiting than Laplus? I remember that Laplus during her initial weeks has always been the one to has the highest.What is the change in behavior that made more people interested in her than Laplus now?
>>15872591https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478708137968517132?s=20Lol, lmao
>>15873155Iroha is their mc autist.
>>15873141sasuga
>>15873141Most likely it's bot
>>15873141>>15873163damnit we really can't get anywhere unless the holos themselves start raising a fuss, and they won't raise a fuss because they are japanese who prefer to do this shit behind the scenes.
>>15873145You don't think EN or Okayu are hit that bad? Really? Okayu was flatlining at 6k in a Mario Kart stream with Subaru and Ayame in VC
>>15873155Iroha has a pretty dedicated group of 10k fans.She would've been a 10k+ holo if yunno, shit wasn't fucked.I think Chloe has her beat in VODs tho, but Laplus is still queen of HoloX in terms of numbers.
>>15873141>>15873163First-line support's job is just to read you inane questions from a script until you get annoyed into dropping the issue, tweeting at that account like it's a support case isn't going to accomplish anything
>>15873141>>15873163Kek, Jewtube is going to hard to prevent bots on their platform but here they are using twitter bots. Really really funny.
>>15873210good thing not all holos are japanesehttps://twitter.com/anyamelfissa/status/1478667336076824576
>>15873210ENTERhttps://twitter.com/anyamelfissa/status/1478667336076824576
>>15873200everyone are bots apparently now. maybe susan is a bot as well?
>>15873268No, Anya. These numbers are normal for you.
It’s such a shame 70% of Iroha’s waiting room realized they actually didn’t like vtubers and left before the start
>>158733081000->600 is a 40% drop anon...
Has Youtube had issue like this before, even if it's not related to CCV, just major issue, and fixed them? Anything that proved they at least had fixed something?
>Vox didn't hit 4k todayWhy's nobody talking about this?We don't care nijien male anymore?
>>15873361yest. susan
>>15872603pajeet
>>15873370Too busy shitposting.
>>15873370Bigger problems than tribalfagging rnPlus, this is his 2nd Sekiro stream already.
>>15873370His stream kept fucking up
>>15873361I think there was a negative subscriber thing in 2016 that got fixed but I don't really know what that's about
>>15873370>Anymore
>>15873370it was about time
>>15873370NO ONE CARES ABOUT VOX
>>15873370A specific person getting a lower number is hardly notable under the circumstances anon
>>15873141Anon>In any case, I would appreciate it if you could give me some time.Youtube>Appreciate the follow up – mind sharing your channel URL so we can look into it? Keep us in the loop.IT'S A FUCKING BOT, YOU DUMMIES! There was no followup, the bot is just following the script.It doesn't matter if it is a programmatic bot or a meat bot, whoever is replying is not reading and is just following the script it has in front of him>if replied, ask for URL of channel>if receive URL of channel, say "it was forwarded to internal team, wait for feedback through the support screen in your channel dashboard"
>>15873370
>>15873370>anymore
>>15873361>>15873411Youtube is run by monkeys.
>>15873361>>15873411Here's why there were negative subscribers. Literally pajeet coders.
>>15872270Gura better fucking kneel to Toya, I'm sure that whore is use to being on her knees around strong handsome men.
>>15873262>>15873268ANYA PLEASE YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE
>>15873516How can they even fuck up this badly? Youtube's more than a decade old at this point
>>15873268ANYAAAAA TASKETEEEEEEE
If people are right about why this is happening (the viewers' accounts getting flagged) then fixing it through youtube's normal support channels is impossible anyway.If you're the streamer, they will just reply "nothing is wrong with your channel, the viewers are all spam"If you're a viewer, you have no way of knowing for sure whether you're flagged, and if you are they can just wave it off with "to protect the platform from spam our methods have to be kept secret"The only way this is getting resolved is if there's a public shitstorm about it
>>15873529>Toya>Strong handsome menAnon, these two are unrelated
https://vrabi.ml/video/pwCwGCVsjmQThanks Kagami, for your sacrifice.Another Niji affected by the cull and more fujos join the cause.
Do we have any screenshots/data on what poll results were like 3-6 months ago, with a CCV reference?
>>15873555Old coders leave, new coders enter. Some are good, some are trash but are good on paper, given a task they don't understand fully and pajeet does what pajeet's birthright is, shit in the code.
>>15873144>She really does know how to milk people.lmao one person donated a red superchat about "dare you to red superchat" type message so everyone decide to hop on the waveShe didn't even do anything.
>>15873529>Pedo>Strong handsome menLuL
>>15873610What the fuck happened here
>>15873262>>15873268SHE IS /HERE/!
>>15873610I don’t know if that’s because of the cull. His turn in the tournament probably ended
>>15873647Honestly don't even know, it doesn't even look like waiting room cull since he was under 1k for over 30 minutes.
>>15873529If anything, it'll be Toya licking her feet seeing as he's a pedophile lmao
>>15873600>>15873639Do not talk of holopussy magnet lolichad like that. Your favorite holowhore simps for him.
>>15873268Anya, we need someone who people actually watch.
>>15873610someone is going to post something like this to twitter and then theyre immediately going to destroy the api / other sites's ability to track these numbers. oh sorry guys we're experiencing a bug with that tracking code right now!
>>15873555Do you seriously think that Pajeet coding is just a meme?
>>15873610I think it went like this. It was his round in the tournament. He won and advanced. Then he waited for the other competitors to end and advance. Then it was his turn again.
>>15873268GOOD GOOD!! No offense to Anya, I really do like her, but she isn't the best Holo to bring the most attention to this issue. However, what is great about her doing this is we could have seen the floodgate open. Maybe some Holos were afraid to be the first one to speak up about it but now Anya has just broken the ice. Hopefully we now see a lot more of them speak up about it.
>>15873707the next option who might complain about it is kiara..
Mori recovered 1.4k from the waiting in 6 minutes
>>15873370This seems like a natural number to me. My studies have shown that Nijisanji actually isn't getting culled. They are going through a genuine recline.
>>15873706I can guarantee that Gura could not name a single nijisanji
EN got culled once 30% last yearand they got culled 30% again this timeJP didn't get culled last yearbut they got culled 50% this timeAm I right?
>>15873707at least someone is complaining about it, hopefully she manages to convince one of her senpai to tweet about it too
>>15873775She knows Vox
>>15873778Shut the fuck up pleaseNot this timeloop again
>>15873516YIKES!
>>15873778>JP didn't get culled last year>Am I right?nope
>>15873778No
>>15873778not all channels experience the same cut, but the 2020 EN was generally bigger than 30%, and the recent JP cull is bigger than 50% on avg
Have any of the holos made a statement saying that they are aware of the problem yet?
>>15873706This is why Gura is my oshi. She probably doesn't even know what Nijisanji is.
>>15873838Anya, miko directly. Kiara and mio indirectly. probably more im missing
>>15873755Question, is the waiting room a bit too low for her?
>>15873864Rushia.
>>15873838Pretty sure Kiara has said multiple times that youtube's viewcount is fucking weird way before the recent cull.
>>15873864Noel talked about it
I nene joining Aqukin?
you absolute fags get what you fucking deserve
>>15873882She told her fans to not use her emotes right?
>>15873838Yes, but only in terms that make it sound like they naively assume that google will fix it soon, and they obviously aren't aware of the youtube support account replying to concerns with "lol you're reclining and your viewers were all spam" while their head of gaming shills NFTs
>>15873878Nobody wants to watch Pekomon anymore
There is a word thaI almost never use, because like "cuck" (will it wordfilter?) it lost all meaning when people of all persuasions started throwing it towards anyone they don't like.But in this case it is impossible not to use>IMAGINE BEING THIS MUCH OF A BOOTLICKERA very crafted PR answer defending a company that he has zero stake from what is not even an indictment but something that everybody is already giving them the benefit of the doubt.The most retarded part is this>But viewers are estimated, with all the viewers across all the channels watching both live & VODs - it's too much computing to keep it everyone update as it goes.FOR FUCK SAKE YOU BUNCH OF RETARDS, YOUTUBE IS ALREADY SENDING INFORMATION THE FUCKING EQUIVALENT OF 1920x1080=2073600 PIXELS DOWN THE WIRE 25 TIMES PER SECOND TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE VIEWERSMore than that, every time ANY PERSON enter ANY SITE with Adwords / Adsense Google can, in less than 50 fucking milliseconds, determine their profile, their habits, conduct a fucking auction using their information and sell an ad space that is shown to you before the page finished loading.IT IS NOT A TECHNOLOGICAL IMPEDIMENT! It is, at best, incompetence in the decision making, it is not because it is too hard to do a headcount in a 5000 people stream that they are already sending full HD video toFucking retards
>>15873910We probably deserve it, but do your oshis deserve it.
>>15873901Noel only said that she thinks people aren't streaming because of the numbers. She has said nothing about the numbers being bugged
>>15873920To stop spamming them yea.
>>15873864it won't mean anything if they don't tag TeamYoutube directly. They will sure respond properly to a checkmarked account.
So Gura is Gold for today ?
>>15873992Yes
>>15873992kek, no
Uhhhhh Chloebros what went wrong?
>>15873943yeah right, youtube is taking time to process your 1k hidden viewers
>>15873992>gold
I am a bot
Some numberbro from another community mentioned chihiro talked about her karaoke having 3k live viewers but 7k likes, she went to check her youtube statistics and it showed 6k ppl watching her. So is there like some hidden stats they can see behind the stage?
>>15873943Youtube & Google are a small indie company, please understand
>>15873943Ah, they are simply running a complex machine learning algorithm on dozens of data points on each of the tens of thousands of accounts watching to save on the processing required to increment a number by 1
>>15874042Chihiro being cut by 50%?Supposedly the streamer sees the correct number in some instances.
>>15873992who gives a shit at this point?
>>15874042unless it's a screenshot, can't be right. she probably mistook the term
>>15874042The CCV count shows the same to the streamer and the audience, she probably confused it with the total views like that VSPO did
>>15874042>and it showed 6k ppl watching her. So is there like some hidden stats they can see behind the stage?She looked at the view "realtime" count, which is the VOD views that updates during the live stream, not the CCV
>>15873992I propose to pause daily medals until this shit's fixed.
>>15873992Silver
>>15873963theyve already copypasted replies to inquires about ccv bug - not a bug we just >improved our spam detection system recently
>>15874042it has happened before but we dont have way to tell it until they show it. She could have checked unique users
>>15874075>they are simply running a complex machine learning algorithm on dozens of data points on each of the tens of thousands of accounts watching to save on the processing required to increment a number by 1That's not even the rant, the rant is>they already fucking do it on a much more massive scale in their breadwinning activity: selling ads
>>15873882>>15873920>>15873953Rushia hought spamming emotes = you might get banned (shadow banned)she heard from somewhere there was something wrong with youtube but didn't talk about the views specifically
>>15874115Yeah, but it's a reply to a noname account and not the channel owner.
>>15874115Good job incompetent coders. I hope it IS machine learning gone wrong, so that it spreads to more and more people as it flags accounts that are 'adjacent' to lots of flagged accounts and everyone on the site gets shit CCV sooner rather than later.
>>15874168Youtube quickly moves the responses to the channel owner from the twitter PR support to their internal ticketing system which is only seeing from them on by the channel owner
What determines who catches holoAIDS or not?
Mori is doing a poll to test the viewer count
>>15874081>>15874106
Mori is talking about it right now, about to run a poll
>>15874168link her tweet to @teamyoutube then, asking what's up with anya's problem
Calli pls save us
>>15874183>'adjacent' to lots of flagged accounts and everyonewe should infect their youtube partners
>>15874139You don't want to start drawing comparisons to online advertising, that is an even worse shitshow and anyone who's intimately familiar with the business will tell you google's numbers there mean nothing either
>>15874210screen shot?
>>15874204having sex.
go to mori's stream right now bros!!!!!!
>>15874210SCREENSHOT
Calling her Susan straight out.. Calli is /here/?
LETS GO MORI
>>15874369how new
MORI PLEASE TWEET ABOUT IT YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE
>>15874222
>>15874379Not at all, must have missed she is a /here/
Poll ended at 3.6kOver 1k higher than curent ccv
Thanks based Calli. To you all that badmouthed her>APOLOGIZE!I ran out of disk space recording the clip, did someone clip it?
Why are you guys so excited about EN polls. There polls were already off before the latest cull (not saying it hasn't got worse), and EN isn't being affected anywhere near as badly as JP is on this latest cull. EN polls are weak evidence when we can see some chuubas getting no where near reaching there waiting room numbers.
>>15874222... Bad time to do that when she's streaming Pokemon
Mori thinks that her CCV is on average 2k lower
She did note, of course, that somw people had just tuned in (she knows), but that the number was odd anyways. Sigh, one of these days...
idk the poll wasn't so absurd, probably a lot of people tabbing back in to vote and they don't count as a viewer
>>15874369CALLI I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, I WILL KILL THE PAJEET WHO'S CULLING THE NUMBERS
>>15874469She's dumb, it's not a fixed amount but a percentage of the audience
>>15874454Additional circumstantial evidence, sample FROM a channel with high EN/global demographic
>>15873943You've shown that you have 0 knowledge in IT.Here are just couple of your fuckups:>1920x1080=2073600 PIXELS DOWNFirst, looks like someone doesn't even know about video compression.Second, that's not the point. Streaming static content from their proxy servers is by far not the same as calculating real-time views.>Adsense Google can, in less than 50 fucking milliseconds, determine their profile, their habits, conduct a fucking auction using their information and sell an ad spaceThe computation does not happen at every request, dumbass.Just from that I conclude that you are some kind of stupid kid (probably Gura's fan) with now substantial knowledge to critique other people.
>>15874469she wouldnt be wrongi think at some point allthe girls got culled of some waiting room viewers if you add that waiting room to their current average they normalize fine.
>>15874453This isn't really a pokemon stream, it's basically how she does superchat reading now.
>>15874204Fuck you pekofrog poster.
My last screenshot
>>15874469Maybe Youtube have a function for that or she's numberfagging in sites
>>15874495I'm sure you know better than her
>>15874549https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478695345848791041QUICK SOMEONE SEND THOSE IMAGES TO YOUTUBE
>>15874495both can be true
>>15874028superchat-bots cull probably
>>15874513Look at Moris poll, 2 min and barely over the viewer count. That amount of engagement is obviously not realistic, but it's no way near as egregious as some of the other shit we're seeing so trying to present it as evidence just weakens the argument.
>>15874563unironically yes
>>15873992rumao
GET IN WE'RE HEADING TO YOUTUBE HQ
>>15874515nta, but the point still stands that blaming the google's computing power for the cull is just braindead retarded
>>15874602You have a point
>>15874515>The computation does not happen at every request, dumbass.It does, you absolute retard. If you are shown a personalized ad, guess what>THEY MUST DETERMINE WHO YOU ARE BETWEEN YOU LOADING THE PAGE AND IT FINISHING LOADINGIt doesn't matter if it is a key lookup >check who user #87132467 is and what's his profilethe point it is that1) they know you are 1) person by then2) they CONDUCT a FUCKING AUCTION OF THAT AD SPOT>First, looks like someone doesn't even know about video compression.Anon, if they can compress video information on the downlink and save time and space they can compress a much smaller TEXT ONLY information on the uplink. Compression changes fucking zero in that argument.Just fucking open the Developers Toolbar in your browser, check the XHR tab in the Network tab and see how much information they're already sending up and down with your fucking cookie attached. It is NOT a technological limitation and you are a retard for even implying.
>>15874602132% engagement in what 2 minutes isn't normal
>>15874602But a superchat reading will likely have the only the most dedicated. Meanwhile the 3D Lives seemed to be hit the hardest since they had the most "tourists".
>>15874602Eh the moment the engagement rate exceeds 100% it really doesn't matter by how much the number of difference between current live viewers and votes, it's simply should not be possible for it to happen in the first place.
>>15874721I thought Niji wasn’t getting affected that much because they have a lot of “tourists”?
>>15874602>but it's no way near as egregious as some of the other shit we're seeing so trying to present it as evidence just weakens the argument.no it doesnt
>>15874701obviously, in a stream it'll likely be higher but most polls only average about 30% engagement. not sure what twitch polls average as i can't find anything on that
>>15874687>they CONDUCT a FUCKING AUCTION OF THAT AD SPOTthey often cheat on those auctions so google's own ads can win even when someone puts in an absurdly high bid for the same term btw. amusingly they attribute this to 'anti-spam' measures
>>15874577Oh no, these retards are digging Holo's grave. Looks like the truth about hololive bots will be disclosed today. Well, rest in peace, holo.
Pekora's pokemon tourney post-stream views got 250kPekora's Holox minecraft post stream views got 260kBoth are 2 hours and 30 minutes long. MC tourney had over 1M views after processing, this new stream is likely going over 700k at the least, I'm estimating her numbers should be around 40k+
>>15874602Anon any poll that shows a higher response number than ccv is good especially if it's less than 5 minutes. Normies on lsf were apparently saying some youtube streamer got culled the same amount as nene because his 16 minute poll showed bigger numbers than his ccv
>>15872924>Youtube PHfuck off SEA
>>15874915it was pewdiepie>>15841362
She reached 100% engagement at ~1m40s
>>15874915As a note, 15-20% participation is considered amazing on twitch.
>>15874904yup, the cull is getting worse every new day
>>15874819Okay go show that poll to the average person and see their thoughts. You already had some retards making excuses for the Nene poll. If there was a struggle for evidence then sure get whatever you can, but there isn't. The weaker the evidence the more room for people to question it. Besides that it's not particularly interesting. Oh wow an EN poll is off, shit has been like that for over a year.
I feel like a viewer poll in the style that Mori just did would have more dramatic results if she did it an hour or so into the stream rather than right at the beginning.
>>15874915>>15874760>>15874701Learn how to read please.
ENTER
>>15874988>You already had some retards making excuses for the Nene pollyou mean retards like this guy >>15874894Seriously learn to tell the difference between shitposting and earnest opinions already, it's almost ben a year since this board got made
>>15874687>>15874872If google has enough time to determine what the user profile is, if it is profitable enough to cheat or pass it to the bidders and then send the ad down the wire to the website before it loads>IT’S NOT A TECHNOLOGICAL IMPEDIMENT TO DO A HEAD COUNT IN REAL TIME
>>15875032that's too much wtf
>>15874988You are not trying to convince the "average person"You aren't in a political debate, you're communicating with Youtube's support teamMore evidence is more convincing evidence, you aren't trying to convince an absolute moron without the ability to logically reason
>>15875032please tell me someone posted it on twitter
>>15875032>14 mins zzzI'm sure her number is fucked, but that's too long for a convincing argument.
>>15874855Even higher for mori's stream since it's a superchat reading stream, and only the most dedicated viewers will be in those (and thus more likely to actively participate in the polls)
>>1587503214 minutes? do you have a shorter time version of the same poll? But yeah i know 14k 16 minutes for a 800ccv is absurd
>>15875033>Seriously learn to tell the difference between shitpostingLearn how to look at other places besides this thread and this site, it's largely an irrelevant place.
>>15875032>14 minutes
>>15875071But you’re talking about pajeets here.
>>15874348>Calli/vt/ bros..........we lost
>>15875033No that anon most definitely meant retards on twitter or reddit that are legitimately retarded and not just shitposting
So did the cull start on Dec 28?
>>15875082oh fuck you she got 800% engagement. No matter how long a poll goes on for there's no way it will get 800%
>>15875122no one has an exact date and i doubt it kicked in for everyone at the same time
>>15875129it's a 1000% anon...
feels good that milord didn't get culled in views and the sub count slashes stopped
>>15875002Maybe even a buff stream to see how high the cull is, since Mori is only reading SC not many people will tune in
>>15875021Here's the thing, anon. Why would it matter whether the evidence is 'weak' or 'strong' in the eye of the masses during this particular case? Something that should be impossible to happen did somehow happen, and that's the only fact that should matter to those pajeets programming it. Whether some part of community are undermining it by saying the poll was only offsetting the CCV by a little bit should not matter at all.
>>15875082>>15875085>>15875100yeah bro it's totally normal to get 1000% engagement over 14 minutes you dumb fucking cunts
>>15875102You're still not in a political debate, you're not trying to convince people with sensationalism, you're providing hard evidence to bring awareness of an issue, so the more the better
People who are aroused by the information collected by the bot.So now the fans are sticking to the stream and watching for the right moment to click Yes/No? It's so lame.Even if I were watching, I wouldn't vote.
>>15875155its only a matter of time before he gets infected with CCVID
>>15875187Election officials should ask Youtube how to get these types of turnout rates for election day
>>15871337If the anon who posted this is still around, how did you get this info? I tried it myself and the API specifically denies access to other people's livestreams. Apparently you are only able to get API info on your own streams, and this is intended.If this isn't a larp, how did you get the info?
>>15875155Since we know(?) it's the viewers that get flagged and not the channels, this suggests that he has almost no overlap with the existing vtuber audience, which is sort of interesting on its own
>>15875243ctr u
>>15875187playing devil's advocate here but what is she doing in the stream. is it just them 2 or is it a totsu
>>15875187I know it's fucked, but I'm also arguing points that I KNOW some fucker will bring up to discredit it.
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1478725377803669504Kek these clowns aren't even reading and just copy and pasting.What a fucking retarded PR response.
>>15875280What?
>>15875122get fucked it could of been anytime for anyone, numbers has been a complete lie, you wasted your life in this thread on susans random numbers
>>15875284and then you just throw my arguments right back because anyone who seriously argues that getting 1000% engagement is normal no matter how long the poll has been up for deserves only your contempt.
>>15874687>It does, you absolute retard. If you are shown a personalized ad, guess whatNice info from inside of your ass, anon. All the data is already computed on their servers. They just return it + get new data that is calculated LATER and independently from http request.>Anon, if they can compress video information on the downlink and save timeAre you an imbecile? Most of compression comes from streamer software/hardware and happens only single time for each packet no matter how many viewers there are. Calculating ccv/views is clearly not a bandwidth problem.>Just fucking open the Developers Toolbar in your browser...Client side performance changes even less than fucking zero in that argument.
>>15875289>it will continue to worsen over the next few daysSasuga youtube
>>15875289As someone who works in Customer ServiceIt's standard procedure for buying time when you have to answer for problems that isn't yours
>>15875289Good morning sirs and madamsI'm here to do the needful
>>15875122Yes, that was the day Fubuki's numbers finally dropped into the mid 20ks for Pokemon as well instead of her 30k range
>>15875289Do you expect their backend devs to sit on Twitter all day replying to weebs? This is all you're going to get since the PR people don't know any more than the rest of us.
>>15875243>I tried it myself and the API specifically denies access to other people's livestreams. Apparently you are only able to get API info on your own streams, and this is intended.Anon, lrn2 YouTube API https://developers.google.com/youtube/v3/docs/videos/list
>>15875211Zhangchama, the language...
>>15875289I mean what do you expect?These are just low level grunts. They’re just buying time for people who would actually fix this shit (if it happens).
>>15875169I mean ignore the point I was making about it weakening the argument then. Just stop creaming yourselves over some polls that are barely any worse than what we were seeing last month. Especially when there's far better evidence. But I don't know maybe you guys have gotten so bored with the state of things that you can't help yourselves.
if a chat is subscribers only can only subscribers vote in a poll too?
>>15874961Too long
>>15875243>>15875397Also livestream api does work for other streams. You should be using the deprecated v1 anyway, youtube gutted the later api versions
>>15875289Someone should tell the youtube gaming guy that it turns out 80% of the numbers he was boasting about were actually spam, if he isn't too busy retweeting bitcoin scams this might get him to actually look at it since his bonus is probably based on it
>>15875397Yes, that's what I used. Try it yourself in the little test box they give or using Python or whatever. It won't give you what the original poster of that image got (the concurrentvideos and viewcount).
>>15875501Nah, just spend 100m on getting xqc to YouTube.
>>15875432Stop being a retard that thinks 1min poll is too long
>>15871826/numb/ bros i think this numberscaust is turning me into a schizowe're hitting /here/ posting at levels never seen before with how quickly this picked up, the polls and JP holos like rushia talking about narratives literally made up in this threadthrow in kson >>15871826 bitch posting (im the original bitch ritualposter) and i think im going insane, im actually starting to believe this is a targeted attack by youtube on anime girls and susan is going to cause shion to kill herself
>>15875501God I fucking hope this reaches the guys in charge of youtube gaming just so they can reach over and slap the guys in charge of the back end for fucking with their business strategies.
This HoloX tour of the Minecraft server featuring Usaken and Shiraken is something that would be a massive numbers event. The MiKorone 24 hour collab is something that should have been a monumental numbers event.We are being robbed of number kino bros :(
>>15875501Lol how did this guy get to head a division? I mean not like there haven’t been similar examples in the past but it still amazes me someone promoting nfts and crypto gets to run a division of Google directly into the ground. What a tool
>>15875571Check VODs afterwards
>>15875412A better evidence did exist yes, there's that Hinano screenshot with 300% engagement rate that have been posted here over and over again. The problem with that piece is that those pajeets want clips to verify it, and seeing as there weren't any clips taken during that moment, that piece of evidence becomes kind of moot, and people here were waiting for someone to actually do another live poll so they can clip it and stick it to those pajeets' face.It just happened that Mori was doing it, and the result of the poll still helped getting the point across, that being >100% engagement rate for a poll in a span of a minute is fucking bullshit and people here are now ecstatic to show it to the pajeets.
>>15875591youtube gaming is working fine, the guys in charge of promoting youtube gaming are mostly marketing and PR types, they are the ones getting fucked over by the technical guys who are running the back end and see culling CCV as a worthwhile use of their time.
"To confirm – is this connected to the concurrent views? If yes, over the next few days, you might still see them decrease as we remove the spam from the live streams."Kek. Get ready for even greater culls in the next couple of days. Also this officially confirms hololive bots.
>>15875289Replied but it probably won't do shit
>>15875032Hoshikawa passed the AIDS to her. As expected of a slut.
>>15875516It's working for me anon, check your parameters again. What's the response it's been giving you?
>>15875707>officially confirmsWhich is why premium users are being excluded as illegitimate viewers lol. Bots my ass.
>>15875707>Also this confirms hololive botsYeah and I just checked with Susan herself and she told me it also confirms that your mother is a whore.
115K done
>>15875707Very generous of Cover to also pay for bots on Nijisanji and indie streams
>>15875772kek
>>15875772Cover is known for doing charity work.
>>15875353>All the data is already computed on their servers. They just return itAnon, are you pretending to be a retard?This is not about the time it takes to compute your profile, but about the fact that they have the technical ability not only to determine one (1) person is visiting a site but also to determine what is her profile (even if it is just returning it), and also to conduct an auction based on that profile, then select the winning bid and show to the user in less time it takes to load the page. If they can do all that it’s not a technical limitation that impedes them to do a head count in a 3000 people live stream.
>>15875772I Kneel Cover unity
On numbers news, this keeps getting ridiculous.
Awww, those pure and naive holofags on twitter wondering why their ccv being called spam views. So cute. Well, looks like YT staff's patience will run out pretty soon and everyone will learn about hololive bots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01bYvIRNRGYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01bYvIRNRGYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01bYvIRNRGYin happier news, someone recently did a sub count timeliine for all of holo up to december 2021
>>15875748But my mother is Susan (that's why I know about hololive bots in the first place). How could she tell something like that about herself?
>>15875828>300 views nijiLMAO
>>15875289Oh excellent, it's going to get worse. Hopefully bad enough that we get to see the vaunted 'Infinity level engagement'.
At this rythm the Mario Kart tournament will have 100 concurrent viewers.
>>15875897She didn’t want to tell you that you were actually Palestinian and not Jewish.
>>15875917>At this rythm the Mario Kart tournament will have 100 concurrent viewers.I want to see that
>>15875828At least 3 of those aren't gonna reach their waiting rooms from what I see.
>>15875917>At this rythm?
>>15875828Amamiya is getting less than Harusaki Air, a bottom tier male Niji who hasn’t even passed 100k
>>15875856Miko's and Suisei's growth are amazing
>Mori is asking viewer to spam the dab emojiIs she ... Is she testing what Rushia said earlier?
>>15875828Amamya...
>>15875745Cover is using premium, membership and sc bots. They are fucking rich.
>>15875812Looks like it's too difficult for your comprehension to realize that all data about profile is already on a server and pre-calculated. All other actions with auction are as computably trivial as posting a tweet or logging-in on any website.
>>15876045>At this rythm
>>15876089>May 2019>That massive jump for Miko
>>15876089Miko in August 2018. Oof
>>15876056>>15876101So far it seems like only the Niji females are affected by this. They must've caught the holoAIDS since they have some degree of audience overalp with them.
>>15875719Hmm, you're right. I must have been fucking something up.
>>15876101
>>15876101Mya was hit hard for some reason and Air seems unaffected
king not stream today?
Thought this was interesting
>>15875917Porandojin-chama, you can't literally translate "w tym tempie" word by word
>>15876166hahahahahahahaha
>>15876203>ccv down 60%he sleeps
>>15876163Algorithm disproportionately targets Asian women? Sounds to me like Youtube is sexist and racist, someone get Twitter on the case
>>15876139>All other actions with auction are as computably trivial as posting a tweet or logging-in on any website.OK, if that’s trivial and the profile is pre computed they would have no trouble to use the same system on YouTube. They even already use it to serve ads. How is determining the “bot / real person” status of a person being served a video on YouTube (specially one logged into their YouTube acount) once per video more complicated than doing so on a third party webpage?If they have your profile pre computed they know who you are even before they sent you the first second of the video they’re already serving you. Right?
>>15875828It's keep getting lower, are we gonna see 0 live viewers by next month?
>>15876203He has CCVID. He needs to quarantine for a while.
>>15872372> Jakin jakin has 80% of her audience marked as bots> these still somehow count towards waiting room viewsfucking hell this seems like a single variable fix that was missed, how are these idiots so incompetent!?
>>15873370>>15873766https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sVJAtrjIdM16k viewers
>>15875909>>15876226Do not laugh holonigger
I know that accelleration is the only way this'll get fixed but fuck me it's painful seeing so many numbers that are obviously fucked beyond belief and still getting worse every day
>>15876312That's VOD views anonchama
>>15875129It's still too long.
>>15876312You almost made me click. Thank god I didn't. Don't want to get any Niji GARBAGE in my recommendations.
Hal has had enough. https://twitter.com/ShibuyaHAL/status/1478734687401279492
>>15876163Makes sense. Air has a 80% female audience that probably doesn’t watch Hololive, so he’s not affected
>>15876408MEIN EMPEROR
>>15876408CALL THE FUCKERS OUT EMPEROR
>>15876408a more accurate translation? I don't trust GTL
>>15876408finally someone a little more relevant
>>15876408translate the 3 numbers please
>>15876408LETS GOOOOOOOOO
>>15876408BY THE EMPEROR
>>15876408Never thought I would die fighting side by side with a homo ...
>>15876408EXPOSE THEM EMPEROR HAL
>>15876408THE FIRE RISES BROTHER
>>15876408So they indeed can see the accurate number?
>>15876408What was his CCV then?
One more
>>15876408I KNEEL
>>15876408finally
>>15876408I've always liked you Hal...
>>15876408EMPEROR I KNEEL!
>>15876163It is spreading like Covid. Started with Hololive=> Hololive are confirmed as Chink of Vtuber World
>>15876408DeepL:>I looked at the analytics of the mahjong feed and it shows 6,000 people, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't a moment when it was showing 6,000 people when it was streaming in real time.
>>15876559Nah. That's her normal numbers.
>>15876559
>>15876538Not while the stream is actually happening, which of course makes it useless
I was going to say that Mori having 2.8k CCV vs 7k likes is fucking ridiculous, but then I decided to have a look at Luna's and jesus christ
>>15876408Pissed about a mahjong stream instead of Apex, he probably missed some CCV metrics for a sponsor kek
>>15876408MY KNEEES, I CANT STOP THEM
>>15876594Hisui doesn’t get the best numbers, but she isn’t THAT bad
>>15876408What is his CCV for this stream?
>>15876635I bet you if she were to do a poll right now she'd get 6-8k votes
>>15876408Kazooha is a coward, I kneel to Hal!!!
>>15876594That's not her normal number anon. Sometime she dips below 1k but she is not that bad.
>>15876594Her normal numbers are 2-3 times higher
>>15876646replies say 2000
>>15876559Hisupi.....>>15876594Come on now, she gets 3-4 times that at least normal
>>15876590This translation is correct except feed is "livestream" and "I'm pretty sure" is "there certainly"
>>15876635How long has the frame been up. I like my oshi's vids hours before they begin.
>>15876408>I looked at the analytics of the mahjong feed and it shows 6,000 people, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't a moment when it was showing 6,000 people when it was streaming in real time.>I looked at the analytics of the mahjong feed and it shows 6,000 people, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't a moment when it was showing 6,000 people when it was streaming in real time.>I looked at the analytics of the mahjong feed and it shows 6,000 people, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't a moment when it was showing 6,000 people when it was streaming in real time.
>>15876635It's 50-90% penalty depending on the stream. Youtube wiped out almost the entire viewership for vtubing.
>>15876646https://playboard.co/en/video/4sXkSlwMWYUless than 2k
Watching Korone and Mori gain likes faster than they gain CCV would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
>>15876734>vtubers are not numberfag>literally checking out CCV while streaming in realtime
>>15876408so the girls can see the real ccv peak after the stream ends?
I swear to god if these retarded streamers had access to accurate CCV peaks and averages this last week and never went public about it...
>>15876779I don't get it, why would it show accurately to the streamer and not the audience?
>>15876799that would mean that it's definitely a bug then?
>>15876795Numberfagging is their job, whoever says they don't numberfag is a retard.
>>15876799>>15876813I bet that was the waiting room number, I don't think we have that as there's no accurate tracking for Hal
>>15876795Hal, of all chubbas, NEEDS to be an absolute numberfag. His fledgling company depends on it.
>>15876849Still, he's calling YouTube out about it which is nice (he should have tagged them but whatever)
>>15876849Oh yeah that could make sense. On that note though they should be going public about their inability to reach their waiting room number as well.
Reines live viewers with Kiara are just cycling at this point.
>>15876408https://twitter.com/ShibuyaHAL/status/1478737231045328896 kek he's pissed
The best thing to have come out from this was anti numberfags being blown the fuck off. Numbers clearly matter and the vtubers do care about them other than gura I guess
>>15876472>>15876472>views: 75k>average viewing time: 18:06>maximum number of concurrent viewers: 6140
>>15876408ANONSHOW DOES IT FEEL?TO BE ON THE CUSP OF AN ACTUAL HAPPENING!?
Vtubers should band together and tweet at youtube, make it trend on twitter too.
>>15876897Thank fuck someone is doing this.
>>15876903my wife is so great, even when culled she's still the best.
>>15876897holy shit what, do they actually have the real numbers
>>15876903Nah publicly, you don't want be obvious and vain about it, unless there's an issue.
>>15876813They don't share them because they are not numberfags
>>15876903Well, numbers for her ORIGINAL songs matter a lot to her, but her day to day streams? Yea absolutely not. I actually want a chubba to get such disparate numbers that they go full menhera on Twitter and rally the fucking idiots that are sitting on the sidelines on JP twitter.
>>15876914a little sad that the happening general in /qa/ is not here anymore. They never had a happening
>>15876913He just has very organized polite viewers. They gather in groups of 5k, watch for exactly two minutes then rotate out ten times in 20 minutes.
>>15876914Cover invaded his stream with bots just to use him as a scapegoat when holobots will be discovered.
>>15876963Kiara got close
>>15876994Kek
https://youtu.be/uCfjf3rvTJY1M get btw
>>15876897https://playboard.co/en/video/R99KBj72qKEHis numbers were 1k higher than the ones shown for that stream what the fuck???
>>15876408
>>15876986That's understandable since they're mostly Japanese.
>>15876970The sheer energy from this guy or any red haired male vtuber would save everyone. He'd rather kill 1 Pekora to save thousands.
I can't wait to see how twitchniggers will cope now
>>15876994>the entire vtuber scene was propped up by holobotsholy shit yagoo i kneel
>>15876897So the streamer has the real number. Good for them I guess.
>>15876897
>>15877015>999,715
>>15877018>Same curve, different numbersSUSAN
>>15876897Can't Hal get banned for showing these metrics or am I misunderstanding youtube's rules
>>15877034we were the holo[auto]bots all along
>>15877072apex autists will kiyo ani youtube japan if that happens
Jokes aside imagine being a streamer and YouTube is randomly and without warning slashing your ccv by 80%. Is it affecting your views? Your watch hours? How the fuck could you ever tell? Is this content popular? What is my growth as a streamer? Good fucking luck figuring any of this out. If YT doesn’t respond relatively promptly, why would you ever stream on YT unless their either bribe you or have years of history there?
>>15877072those metrics are meta content in youtube
What the fuck is going on?
>>15877072it's fine as long as you don't show monetization datathey don't want advertisers to know the ad rate
>>15877101I think this stream deserves only 2.5k, CAPPED!t. Susan
>>15877101SUSAN HATE
>>15877101>Almost doubleJESAS
TOP FUCKING KEK>Calli NEVER EVEN ONCE got the CCV from her poll first minute
>>15877101So 6k wasn't his waiting numbers? Wtf?
I checked my Chinese anime channel and views are way up despite not posting anything recently. So whatever Susan is doing it's specific to vtubers.
>>15877015susan just culled her views lol and 5k from the GTA VOD
>>15877159do a live and see if anyone of us counts as a viewer
>>15877134Mori has been stuck at 2.8k CCV for the past 15 minutes despite gaining something like 500 likes in that time, almost feels like Susan is singling her out for talking about it kek. She's even gotten random buffering out of nowhere twice.
>>15877159It's not views, you dumb lad, it's live views. When they say>it doesn't affect your views or watch timethey mean it.
>>15877140that was a different stream
Hal streaming now
How did Hal get the holoAIDS? Towa/Matsuri?
All I have to say is>FUBUKING, I KNEEL!
>>15877225He's doing a poll, here we go
>>15877225doing a poll as well
>>15877274I swear Fubuki cultivating an audience of pokemon tourists who don't watch the rest of Hololive is the only thing keeping her numbers really strong.
this vod had 311k viewsPekora's MC holox now has 385kHer last stream easily has 30k+
>>15877159Vod views are unaffected, as shown by several 3DLives and ultimately, Gura. However, it definitely affects interest for casuals to click the stream when ccv is small than usual and a ripple effect occurs to the views long-term.
>>15877274Wouldn't it be funny if the reason Fubuki's numbers weathered this relatively well is because the bot detection can't detect the Chinese spam bots
>>15877291TOP FUCKING KEKThis poll was not even 15 seconds when I screenshotted it
>>15877295291% engagement for hal
>>15876513>with a homo ...he's fucking hskw
HAL I KNEEL TO NUMBERFAG EMPERORHis chat is live announcing his current views
I can hear Hal taking a bunch of screenshots of his poll, he's really serious about this. The numbers are fucking ridiculous though holy shit.
>>15877256Apex viewers look like chuuba bots.
>>15877274She should have 30k viewers
>>158764086000 got culled to 2000another example of 2/3 getting cullednow we have to triple every number we saw
>>15877274man, getting all those pokemon tourists really helped foobs survive the holoaids crisis
>>15877338Four minutes is not enough to complete the bot verification. I think he just botted that poll.
>>15877338>>15877341fucking hell thats depressing
Hal I kneel
If there was a reduction in interest in vtubers then twitch vtubers would be down also.Veibae, nyanners, ironmouse are all up.Hololive should move to twitch
>>15877341even more
>>15877338>i-it's just bots h-holobronies seething pls gimme my epic win shitpost fuelNo, it's abundantly clear now that youtube is just truly gone fucking retarded, no doubt about it.
KILL THEM HAL KILL THEM ALL
>>15877338>>15877341>>15877352It's only been less than 5 minutes. The waiting room bug has been there since last year. The problem now is that some chuubas can't get get higher ccv than their waiting room peak
>>15877341>3 minutes agoWhy is the poll so early?
>>15877338>>15877341I KNEEL HAL ILL NEVER SHITTALK A MALE VTUBER AGAIN
>>15876795hes still paying off the 9 computers he had to buy from that one apex tourney
>>15877405Only HoloEN is feasible for Twitch
He shouldn't do the poll so early into the stream, YouTube will just use the excuse that it's still processing the viewers
>>15877341final results
>>15877338>>15877341>>15877352HAL DO IT YOU'RE OUR BEST HOPE
>>15877437he can always run another and i feel he may
I kneel, Hal. Anyone who says the cull isn't real at this point should legitimately, unironically kill themselves.
>>15877424He's testing it after his twitter outrage seeing 6k in analytics but not during his stream
>>15877425Hal has always been a good guy, if you can look past him being an Apex streamer
>>15877357naisu naifai umai tsuyoi makes up 90% of chat
>>15877352A better poll would be [which device they are currently watching the stream]. I have suspicion the amount of cull reflects the market share of mobile/tv usage. Don't you think?
GIVE ME A GOOD EMPEROR HAL IMAGE FOR THE NEXT OP OR IT'LL BE DEADBEATS