/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

numbers numbers numbers...

So, apropos of nothing, whatever happened to Himawari?

>>15861708
oh pika tried twitch and got double the numbers
pretty much proving that youtube ccv is fucked.

>>15861760
>pretty much proving that youtube ccv is fucked.
tbf you don't need that to prove it after the past week lmao

>>15861708
Smart Pikamee, knows what's the right thing to do right now.

>>15861760
Raided?

>>15861338
I was surprised Nijisanji did pretty much nothing during the Christmas/new years season merch wise other than sell some gloves,scarves and hats (I don't know the quality of the merch).
Them being absent from C99 was a big topic on twitter as well from I recall (and Hololive being huge).
>>15861760
It's normal for smaller corpos to go on twitch and end up getting double or even more of their YT viewership.

>>15861857
https://twitchtracker.com/pikameeamano/streams/45029097725

Doesn't seem like it.

>>15861708
BEGIN THE GREAT MIGRATION

>>15861708
AHAHAHA holobronies don't look

>>15861708
12k for a vrchat stream seema kinda low. Is this her average and vrchat is not a buff for vshojo?

Don't reply to twitch losers

>>15860532
As somebody who watches IRyS every single time she streams she usually hits around 8-12k for Minecraft (probably closer to 12 yesterday since Bae was on VC). That is likely what she actually had which would explain why the VOD views were similar to the VOD views of a 6k peak stream with more hours before the cull.

>>15862130
the only losers here are the ones clinging to an obsolete and failing site rumao

>>15862125
they do vrchat very often, even more so these past few weeks

>>15861708
Council bros...

https://twitter.com/gran4816/status/1478419443130986497

What if its not kpoper but the crypto faggots ?
look at the top10 yesterday
https://twitter.com/gran4816/status/1478419443130986497

The cull shows even more how much EN kneel to Gura. Without her they would be meaningless in numbers
Ina is still pretty compared to a lot of Jap too.

>>15862125
She also was raided by n*anners

>>15862125
vshojo shares like 60% of the users between memebers of the group.
they collabing only increases their average by like 2-3k

>>15862275
>Kneeling to the only EN that is celebrating her number going down

>>15862193
I remember I saw this crypto on ads when watching some hentai online

>>15862193
Makes sense, cryptofags have been a cancer on YouTube recently by hacking people to make their channels livestream their crypto shit. And if a bunch of retards on /vt/ can figure out how shit YouTube is in their bot security, some dedicated crypto scammers probably mastered it by now.

>>15861708
pikamee just raided ironmouse...
they are growing stronger while youtube chuubas grow weaker....

>>15862193
>4ripple streams
>80k
>60k
>40k
>30k
HOW

Minecraft stream for Pekora tonight. Let's see if she can pass reach 20k mark with it.

Jp
>spam the YouTube account every day
>trying to find a solution
Here
>keep crying with no action at all
Come on anan at least try something instead of crying here

no saplings... stop clapping...

>>15862461
it's the numbers thread
make your own thread

>>15862457
She tweeted it?

>>15862193
Plausible theory. Youtube's AI is training on cryptofukers and slowly learns to flag every human as a bot, because cryptofuckers use actual human click farms. If this is true, this means that the shit will keep getting worse, which is good for us.

>>15862427
bots

>>15862461
i filed bug reports to the feedback page. no response. at least the jp bros are getting canned replies from teamyoutube

>>15862193
>crypto streams
>fucking XRP of all things
What the fuck is this retarded shit? Why the fuck are they so anal about filtering vtuber CCV yet do nothing to cull tens of thousands of views for a fucking centralized shitcoin that LITERALLY GOT DELISTED FROM COINBASE?

impressive numbers from fauna

>>15862663
XRP schizos truly are the holobronies of /biz/

Remember whole Vshojo VR Chat collab couldn't beat Gura playing GTA with youtube culling

>>15862587
That's not how Pekora operates. The frame is up. She'll tweet it later maybe not even till an hour before it's due to start.

In slightly depressing news, she managed to catch up!
Suzy's legs are soooo good

>>15862193
I fucking hate YouTube so much it's , the amount of problems and bad decesions I've seen on that piece of shit site just in the last 3 years is unreal.

>>15862595
The guy seems to have come to a similar conclusion to the thread except >we blamed kpopfags and not cryptofags.
>>15862663
YouTube is playing whack a mole with crypto bots and vtuber fans got caught in the middle of it.

>>15862193
https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/archives-ranking/youtube?date=2022-01-04
>top 10
>7 are crypto channels with more than 20k ccv peaks
Everyday i hate crypto even more

>>15862732
slightly less*

holoEN test stream on twitch when?
https://twitchtracker.com/usadapekora_hololive/streams/43239080797

Kek Omega WTF are you doing?

>>15862193
Japanese vtubers being overwhelmingly affected by the algorithm would sorta make sense since these cryptobots are operating with Japanese accounts.

https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/archives-ranking/youtube?date=2022-01-05
please tell me the top3 arent also crypto

>>15862732
Good, but I will kneel only when she beats Chima

>>15862427
literally bots. It's how "NASA"/"SpaceX" crypto scam streams get 50K CCV for hours before being shutdown.

>>15862732
ah, the vampire cover... good times

>>15862899
Anon, the top 2 are in English even. Yes, crypto.

>>15862849
Ever since his return, everything went to shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI-sxCncCJo
>marika when she sucks at it
>joke outfit in non-joke stream
>literal 2view ID in collab
is she trying to get a viewer count below her roommate streams intentionally?

>>15862886
So this just goes to show, it’s going to get much worse right?
The JP vtuber scene is getting raped by YouTube’s AI going after cryptobots.

>>15862837
What happens if they test stream on Twitch and it ends up being the same numbers as right now?

>>15862899
wtf, Toya's tatsu only got 19k?

>>15862937
Might take a while seeing as Chima still has almost double the views, but it has slowed down drastically, while Suisei's is still going strong.

Actually, Laplus's God-ish is actually on track to surpass both Kuzuha's Vampire and Suisei's Phony in a few days.

xqc just brought up the cull on stream

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1253498275?t=00h24m28s

>>15863028
It would be so fucking easy to shutdown crypto keywords like they did with coof and other shit with their existing algos but I guess one of the head devs is deep into crypto.
It's the same reason why it took Twitter forever to even start dealing with crypto scams on their platform because CEO Jack was a huge cryptofag.

>>15863028
If the theory is true it'll eventually crater the entire Japanese Youtube scene if Youtube doesn't get to work on fixing it, since the algorithm is continuing on in overdrive in response to the cryptobots continuously making new accounts. Sorta like an immune system gone wild.

Lapras money is bacc
https://twitter.com/LaplusDarknesss/status/1478610756308697089?t=vv2yHerbtRHm-NTkw4_Hgg&s=19

>>15863122
Did you see the head of YouTube Gaming?
All he does is tweet about crypto and NFTs.

>>15863050
Miko had an emergency stream on Twitch and had the same numbers before this cull, so after this cull there's no chance.

>>15863074
The god of numbers has spoken.
It's over.

xqc commented on the viewer thing briefly when he skimmed the LSF post from earlier, he kinda brushed it off saying it only helps youtube if viewer counts are higher and its just a bug and people are overreacting that they feel certain groups are targetted like vtubers and its just a glitch.

nothing substantial but figured id toss that in here before heading out.

Some insights about Gura's GTAV stream
>the graph of chat messages
>today's stream on the left, last one in the right
you can see that, despite having "less" viewers, she had MORE messages
>graph adjusted to 5min intervals
peaked at 6k today, 3k average
peaked at 4k on the prev one, 3k average
I say that the cull is affecting her too

>>15863211
Oh for fucks sake, hit it on the head.

>>15863074
He didnt really seem to get it tho.

>>15863074
What the fuck is this goblin saying? Is he the Miko of Twitch?

>>15863151
So Cover can contact Youtube about Laplas monetization and solve the issue in less than a day, but can't solve the issue with CCV?

>>15863240
oh somebody posted a link
>>15863074
lmao

>>15863074
xQc knows Hololive?

>>15863232
He basically said the same thing as mizkif though. That there isn't an incentive for youtube to intentionally lower their viewcount.

>>15863211
So all the fake streams worked on him

my poor Noa

>>15863241
so 5k CCV less for a more successful stream?I thought Gura was untouched but this seems sus

>>15863265
That much is obvious to anyone but culture war addicted anons here.

>>15863074
>>15863240
Obviously not the best spokesperson since he doesn't really understand the issue but exposure is a good thing.

>>15863265
>>15863324
This. Muhculltards are retarded.

>>15863312
Seems normal to me

>>15863248
I mean, is XQC. He is not the brightest bulb.
He probably brought it up because contaiment breachers have been spreading this blues every where they can.

>>15863241
When she finally finished the cop chase part, I had hyperchat off and chat was moving so fast that it made my laptop overheat and lag.

I never believed Gura's CCV was accurate anyways, but her chat speed + slow mode, makes anything under 20k feel very unrealistic.

>>15863241
Yeah, it's probably safe to say she had the same number of viewers as the previous

>>15863241
>I say that the cull is affecting her too
It obviously is but the stronger vtubers are able to fight though it a little bit and Gura is obviously very strong. Pekora will still do relatively well while being obviously culled and even somebody like Miko will still be able to hit nearly 8k despite being absolutely fucked in the ass by the cull more than most.

>>15863363
There's a cull but it's not intentional or targeted. Keep up with the conversation please.

>>15863255
The guys at monetization can just check and flip a switch to turn monetization back on. Would make sense for that to be handled by whatever outreach dept they have in dealing with corporate customers, while changes to the CCV algorithm are buried deep in backend dev work.

>>15863142
People keep saying that stream CCV doesn't matter for Cover (of course it fucking does you fucking idiots viewership is a critical metric for live events) but if all your streamers are pulling three digit CCVs it starts to undermine the credibility of your operation as a large vtubing company, especially if there are competitors on other platforms who are getting 10x your viewership. Even if the real CCV figures exist somewhere in the aether, if they're inaccessible they're useless.

>>15862732
Yes, Suilegs are sex

i still don't believe all you guys are regurgitating
right now mumei and rosemi have almost the same viewers and if rosemi was to be fucked up by youtube she should have 500 viewers instead of 1.5k

>>15863421
I mean, it’s targeted towards crypto but it just happened to fucking smack the vtuber scene instead.
And since the Hololive fanbase encourages emote use, it went after them hard I guess.

>>15863255
We are uncovering deep underground crypto networks that have brainwashed the head of youtube gaming. The great culling is a much more complicated issue and we are just beginning to scratch the surface of it.

Tags: blackmail, mind break, nose hook, NTR

>>15863421
But if its in youtube's best interest to have higher numbers over lower ones and they get shown evidence that their algorithm might have gone off the deep end shouldn't it also be in their interest to take those concerns seriously and look into it and rectify it?

>>15863363
Hard to deny the cull at this time with so much evidence. However, the people spinning conspiracies about how its so they can push vtubers off the platform or how its to promote Ludwig to be a top 5 streamer on youtuber are retarded.
Ludwig wouldn't be top 5 anyways even with vtubers being culled.

It's much more likely that they're flagging bots/spammers and holofan/some nijifan behavior resembles that of idolfag bots that farm numbers for kpop.

>>15863492
Playing devil advocate, it seems for EN overall is slowly stabilizing.
But is up to see for JP.

>>15863492
>Almost the same viewers
Nearly double, and Mumei is reading SC whilst Rosemi is actually playing.

>>15863492
Mumei has been reading SC for like 20 minutes now, Rosemi just finished an Apex match

>>15863241
>>15863321
Note that the 6k peak is everyone shitting themselves laughing over Gura killing the dog accidentally while the previous stream had more 4k peaks due to a more entertaining story section. This stream had an entire 30 minute section of her timelooping a police chase and another 30 driving a crane around. I'd say a safer estimate is having the same number of viewers.

>>15863492

>>15863455
Agree that it's important, though on the other hand, if the drop is too unbelievably fast, there's a high chance that Youtube's credibility is severely undermined instead, especially if they keep denying anything is wrong.

>>15863562
should be around the same, I would believe a 18k peak

>>15863074
Mikochi found her equal for ELITE ENGLISH

>>15863533
Probably. But I don't really have access to their Kannan board so I won't be able to tell you if they take it seriously or not. The PR interns don't have a good idea what the devs are doing either.

>>15863240
From a business perspective xqc is right. It makes no sense for YouTube to ever nerf CCVs since that's what external sources use to calculate watch hours for the platform. What YouTube did in 2020 is why they had this huge -30% slope in Q1 2021 and probably why they continue to slope another 20% in Q2 and Q3 as streamers left. Trying to grow a streaming platform while destroying the watch hours metrics seen by 3rd parties is utterly retarded.

>>15863630
Kanban*

>>15863533
Social media PR's job is to deny until people forget about it/a fix is found, if they're doing anything you probably won't hear about it until it's done.

>>15863533
Yes, but it's not in their best interest to admit it. If they fix it, they'll do it silently and pretend it never happened.

>>15863661
of course he is right, he has been streaming to the largest audience for years, he might be retarded but even someone like that sees
>beeg number good

>>15863533
Youtube doesn't give a shit about something as small as Hololive. Youtube's entry into streaming is half baked as fuck and the site reps only pay attention to big corporate channels like film distributors and record companies.

>>15863533
Anon...Youtube only acts when people they care about are affected.
Pewdiepie used to call out Youtube on their bullshit all the time
https://youtu.be/26qVo4kNMSU
But since he is a controversial figure, they just ghosted him most of the time.
Right now pewds looks so done with being a youtuber that I doubt he would try to shit on youtube...in special when they are paying him to stream.

>>15863562
The police chase is the peak of the CCV thou. I mean it was pain to watch but it's strong to maintain the audience.

>>15863661
>Q4 2020
>new changes fuck everyone hard but EN/global streamers hit harder due to higher adblock usage
>Due to being a mainly global site, views drop across the board
>JP vtubing props up their numbers so it doesn't look utterly cataclysmic and journalists are instead writing about Pekora being amazing instead of Youtube Gaming dying throughout the year
>Q4 2021
>new changes fuck JP vtubing
Kek

>>15863545
its not to promote ludwig, they dont want to have to pay a bunch of ludwigs a shitload of money to come to youtube
its so valkyrae and her 2view speed chat doesnt get mogged by anime girls

>>15863533
If the AI has been running for months and trained with millions of hours of data, it's hard to "fix" it in short notice.

For all we know, youtube might have already been informed about it days ago (the problem was most evident during the NY costume reveals), and they're trying to fix it and are still trying.

They're not going to admit they fucked up, they're just going to fix it and hopefully people forget. If they can't fix it, then uh, too bad.

>>15863151
It took Suisei a month to get her monetization back...

>>15863059
Would be more fair to compare it to Lauren's cover.

>>15863801
Except the viewers dropped across the platform both times? Why not just cull Hololive rather than make it seem YT gaming declined as a whole?

So if it affects people with members a lot are all the new NijiEN members not affected while the NijiEN members that have memberships are? What about Millie and Enna from the last wave, those two still didn't open memberships while the other two have.

>>15863882
Yes, but Laplus passed Lauren's cover a long time ago.
I'm actually amazed Lauren even has a viral cover, eventho it is a good one.

>>15863859
Why would they care to fix anything? Streams are 0.000000000000000000001% of Youtube's overall traffic, and most people still don't know that youtube is also a streaming platform.

>>15863904
Selen got 1.8k today
Is this her normal numbers?

>>15863859
Yes just like how they give back those hundreds of thousands of sub culls back to council and Holox. Once you are determined as spammy/bot by the YT AI, there's literally no case path for it to get reversed

Kronii 5k!

>>15863885
?? I don't think they're purposely screwing hololive, I just found it ironic that they accidentally fucked over one of the few scenes that propped up Youtube livestreaming throughout 2021 while they reclined everywhere else.

>>15863226
+ it was only announced on twitter because YT was literally shitting the bed + no people joining because of notifications for the same reason + it happened instantly and she got pretty much the usual numbers, 14k if I remember correctly

>>15863955
For a game that isn't FPS or horror with multiple overlaps it doesn't seem unreasonable for her.

>>15863982
Alright. Hard to tell with so many actually believing the intentional aspect.

>>15863927
>even tho it is a good one
Nothing Nijisanji does is good

>>15863584
>youtube's credibility
>severely undermined
What you gonna do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jDkn2TzxJk
>been 5 days
>barely 400k views
Lui-nee's cover isn't doing so good...

>>15864106
Actual numberrot, that's perfectly fine.

>>15863455
Yagoo's gonna publish every Holo's true CCV on his own holo-matome site, triggering an arm race between all companies to justify their numbers.

>>15864106
Sparks of Joy... IRyS...

>>15863885
They aren't targeting vtubers in particular. The eggheads doing their antibot voodoo are nuking large chunks of vtuber audience in the crossfire. I think the only hope is that the watch-hours get so bad that the business development side of YouTube steps in to revert it. If not, people will move to Twitch as news of YouTube Gaming's terminal decline spreads once the Q1 2022 report comes out in 5 months. No one wants to stay on a dying platform, no matter how many exclusive contracts they have.

>>15864106
how about the Vsinger newest song anon?

>>15864106
>t. retard who doesn't know how 80% of Hololive covers do

>>15864106
https://youtu.be/keZcK802kV4
>3 months
>Not even 400k views
Watame...

>>15863074
>>15863661
He and miskif are really close minded tough.
Youtube is past wanting to be a BIG platform, they already are the biggest, they are the sponsorhsip first choice and corps number 1 media marketing tool. Their focus now is being a SAFE and TRANSPARENT platfrom where no shady things happen or some people are more important than the other. They suck at it dont take me wrong BUT their focus right now is getting rid of spams, bots, and harrasment.
They removing the dislikes isnt becasue the HUGE CORPORATIONS WANTING IT. the corps dont give a shit about dislikes activison is under lots of controversy and they are STILL rolling in cash that keeps coming. The effect of bad publicty is minimal always and even sometimes beneficial.
These changes they make are not to get bigger numbers, is to make a "better" platform.

We still need to call them on their bullshit tough

>>15864128
New covers typically get 500k in a week as of late. Her fist cover got 1 million in a week.

youtube only cares about the number of views and viewtime.

>>15864182
Youtube is not and is not making an effort to be "transparent". If Youtube's representatives have claimed to value transparency they are straight up lying.

>>15864201
>Gwelu stream meta will be the future
I can get behind that

>>15863927
You're talking about his Kamippoina cover or Phony cover?

>>15864142
>>15864152
?
it's perfectly fine, this is actually Vsinger songs growth rate
https://youtu.be/y2vrlxmOp7U

>>15864280
Kamippoina

>>15864253
im not saying they are good at it. they suck.
but that is what their aim is.

>>15864280
Oh right she passed him. Quite a fit since it was the fastest growing cover of December.

>>15864370
Flashes of Aqua's Goodbye Sengen vs Ayame's Goodbye Sengen.
Aqua got like 2 mil in a week, which was blindingly fast, and then Ayame dropped hers and the rest is history.

>>15862418
Pikamee raids Ironmouse everytime she streams on twitch. I see it pretty regularly. They're friends.

>>15864143
This is hilarious, isn't Hololive and Nijisanji literally holding youtube streaming together like fucking Atlas?

>>15864439
This is the first time I've seen her raid Ironmouse. Although I've seen her raid Vshojo people multiple times before.

Has EN dropped into triple digits for any streams like JP has yet?

>>15864462
Honestly, maybe not as much as we think.
In SCs sure, but just 2 of /#/'s favourite non-vtubers, Jun and Koretube, already make up 170k viewers, which is what all of Holo or Niji gets on a good night.

>>15864537
Yes, Sana animal crossing.

>>15864537
Nope. Anya did drop below 100 though

>>15863241
expanding on this and checking Hololyzer
>Today's stream 02:30:31
Total number of chats : 64534
Avg. comments per second: 7.13
Peak CCV: 17,845
>Previous GTA stream 02:50:39
Total number of chats : 70560
Avg. comments per second: 6.88
Peak CCV: 24,698
So, she got MORE messages per second on this stream despite having 7k people LESS watching, huh

>>15864565
Should've specified, I mean they peaked triple digits.

>>15864537
Don't compare my EN girls to those JP midgets

>>15864589
>7 messages per second
chumbuds sent like a 100 messages in the amount of time it took me to write this rumao

Well this is a new low for # of active Niji streams. Is everyone sick of youtube's shit or what?

>>15861708
Based and ironpilled. And she wasn't even their biggest stream today. Nyanners stream earlier had easily 16k.

>>15864589
It meshes well with the 30% cull estimate from her DbD stream.

>>15864589
I think it's a 30% culling fucking again

YouTube livestreaming had so much potential in 2020 but they botched it so hard.
>repeatedly cause catastrophic side effects when adjusting their algorithms
>hand wave complaints from creators about getting kneecapped and deny or tell people to deal with it
>fail to implement new features in a timely manner
>only major thing we've gotten in the past couple of years is what, polls?
>make a big deal of acquiring Twitch streamers
>neglect to foster and promote vtubers, one of the unique communities that originated on their OWN PLATFORM that has enormous growth potential
Absolute fucking retards. By all means, continue to go scorched earth to eliminate bots and viewers caught in the crossfire. That'll surely change the fact that you're getting mogged by fucking Facebook and reverse the declining watch time trend present throughout 2021.

>>15864646
>>15864655
> Dec 2020 -> 40% cull
> Dec 2021 -> 30% cull
Gura is currently at 42% of her post cull CCV.
Simply multiple her CCV by 2.38 to get post cull CCV.

>>15864646
>>15864655
around 75% correlating the difference in comments per second
today's stream is in a 0.748:1 ratio relative to the previous GTAV stream, pretty sure we can get an exact 75% if we normalize the data to remove outliers, like that 6k messages over 5 minutes at the end of the stream

>>15864626
I'm surprised none of the companies are seemingly doing nothing about it. It defiantly makes them look bad for newer viewers.

>>15864902
Companies at Cover and Anykara scale can directly contact youtube to deal with issues. Any conversations about this would be behind the scenes.

>>15864777
yeah, a bunch of people were jumping into YT because they saw how good vtubers in general were doing, I literally NEVER watched a gaming stream on YT and I wouldn't even have the app on my phone if it wasn't for this

>>15864079
Advertisers go to twitch

>>15864782
>still one of the world's top streamers
>weighted down by 70 fucking percent
My shark...look what they did to my shark..

Keep the numbers coming anon, they might tell you it's useless but I'm 100% sure there's Holoniji interns watching the threads + the usual 2views doing our experiments

>>15865086
That's... not how percentages work?

>>15864990
In the past we had Orange Bitch prime to discuss this sort of stuff openly. Hopefully new Orange Bitch's loose lips let something slip.

>>15865153
Anon we're in the numbers thread, what else did you expect?

>>15864782
that's not how ratios work, this is more like compound interests
imagine she was getting 100 viewers
the 40% removes 40, so it's at 60
the second removes 30% of the 60, not the 100, so 42 left, aka a total of 58% from the original

>>15865153
Yeah you're right, just misread that.

>>15865153
I mean all those numbers are fake anyway who cares lol.

Ok /#/ what's the best way to bot a stream like cryptofags?

>>15864782
Alright there is a cull but the idea that over 50% of the ccv is being culled seems a bit extreme.

Not that anyone even cares about the daily tally at this point, but there was some arguing over which should've gotten gold between Kanata's waiting room (18k) and Nijinoon (14k).

After almost 24 hours, it's a joke to even compare the streams.
Kanata (18k waiting room peak, 11k stream peak, 1 hour, 412k VOD views)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bBZ0jMXIM8

Nijinoon (14k peak, 1 hour, 182k views)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYoOqypWW2w

Starting to think Nijinoon might not even be culled, because those VOD views look reasonable.

>>15865253
Spread a video in Bilibili suporting Taiwan and linking your channel

>>15865256
Anon? Not only are we literally seeing 50% culls this fucking december, but there was another wave of culls last december. Add them together and yes we're at 50% and more for every
single
holo

>>15865279
Unironically this
The chat will be unusable for a while, but your CCV will be through the roof.

>>15863074
I had a hard time understanding the exact words comes from his mouth.

But the thing that bothered me the most is his chat. It's almost like spam wave

>>15864362
Maybe they should stop hiring Pajeets at 40k a year

>>15865292
Stuff like this is why no one takes this thread seriously lmao

>pajeets actually fix this shit
>undo December 2020 cull too
>numbers double to triple over night
You see this stupid bullshit I just typed? It's why that's never happening. Because people will then accuse youtube of inflating the numbers, which twitchfags will take umbrage with far more than them deflating them. No one actually cares about this stupid platform's streamers, they look at you like a retard if you say you're a youtube streamer.

>Twitch and Bilibili actively inflating numbers, Youtube actively culling numbers
Who do we trust?

>>15865325
haha yeah...

>>15865366
no one, not even yourself

>>15865351
Fuck off tourist, we literally pre December 2020 numbers that show the numbers used to be in fact, that ridiculously big. And if you don't believe those, look at events and normal streams just 2 weeks ago.

>>15865271
I personally consider it a ceremonial gold of Kanata's and the real gold of Nijinoon.
Ceremonial since it is represents the recent numbers perfectly

>>15863928
Because they're spending tens of millions of dollars buying Twitch streamers to reverse the exodus of streamers and viewers from YouTube Gaming into Facebook and Twitch. If YouTube didn't care about streaming, they wouldn't be spending money poaching.

>>15865381
oops, meant for >>15865351

>>15865271
>starting to think Nijinoon might not even be culled
THANK YOU!!

I have been saying for the last couple days that I don't think Nijisanji is getting culled. They are just experiencing a genuine recline.

Chartanon, please post the December Chart.
I know numbers now are fucked but it may still be worth keeping a record.

>>15865390
>>15865405
kek I'll come back when the chumbuds leave. Can only take so much of you retards.

>>15865381
IMAGINE if Gura played GTAV instead of Amnesia or Dark Deception in those times...

>>15865256
Last years culls took 25-37% off pretty much everyone.
This current culling takes another 30% again, thats roughly 50% combined.
This is backed up directly by youtube data showing a 29% drop in stream watch hours after the previous culling, which is calculated by average CCV x stream time between Q4 2020 and Q1 2021.

>>15865453
ogey rrat

>>15865453
>muh chumbuds
Tard

>>15865292
Chumbud please go back to your own thread

Just post vshoujo numbers and leave, that's faster

>>15865548
I want Pekora/Gura/Miko to do a few Twitch streams just for the numbers, desu

>>15865535
Are you going to use actual numbers to argue your point? Because Pekora was always on top of CCV when accounting for gura's FOTM buff and she's been hit by 2 culls now.

>>15865488
>>15865526
Oh look you used an example of someone who inclined rather than someone who declined. The percentages you're bringing up still aren't correct as JP has been significantly more affected than EN on this cull, but thanks for taking my criticism and improving.

>>15865601
sure, this bait doesn't work here though
>>/hlgg/

>>15865601
What even are fucking trying to say? Yes EN was affected more back then, and JP seems affected more now (that's still up to debate). And yes it's half and more for both at this point. Literally try providing some fucking numbers proving this wrong instead of saying "oh haha oh no no you think it's 50% pfhahaha"

>>15865271
>400k
That's at least a 40-50k stream right there for an hour or 60k maximum

>>15865574
Pekora always beat Gura on a level playing field. The 2020 cull hit both EN and JP and the exacerbated because they were reclining. Natural recline + cull = looks like EN got hit harder. Gura was not on Pekoras level in 2021 and you need to get over that fact

>>15865626
>>15865650
Not bait. You're the retards trying to bring up exact percentages lmao.
>This current culling takes another 30%
Really? Because the latest event streams and certain holos like Flare are seeing far more than that. You want to say EN and JP have both been culled twice go ahead, everyone here that's not baiting or a schizo agrees with you. But stop stating bullshit numbers and then crying about it when you're called out for it.

>>15865751
I literally don't care about the streamers here, I only watch the numbers, I don't even know who half of the names brought up here are, I see the data and make conclusions
I don't feel the need to defend anyone in particular, like you are doing

>>15865736
Nousagi did you just read Pekora and Gura in the same sentence and start typing dumb shit? I never said Pekora was losing to Gura, I said the opposite. And it's been known for a year about the 36% cut to EN and 26% to JP. It doesn't look like they got hit harder, they did, just not by that much more.

nigger started a timeloop, here's some actual numbers

>>15865785
Pekora slammed Gura all through 2021 and nothing you say changes that fact. Cope

>>15865785
Why respond to poor and old bait

>>15865804
here is noah playing overwatch
she never failed to break 1k before

>>15865781
>I literally don't care about the streamers here, I only watch the numbers
Well you're shit at it.
>>15865781
>I don't feel the need to defend anyone in particular, like you are doing
I'm literally defending the numbers you dumb fuck. We've been going over this shit for the last two days and everyone with a brain has come to the conclusion that JP has been far more affected on this cull, so trying to apply a blanket 30% cull on all holos is retarded.

>>15865850
her last numbers

>>15865837
Overwatch is not a meta right now. I'd say there's no irregularity with her numbers.

>>15865024
>advertisers
>leaving youtube for twitch
heh

>>15865804
>>15865837
these might be the bots susan is looking for, they seem to be simulating a conversation

>>15865922
YT needs a better advertisement system for streams, you barely get any and streams are extremely long
pretty sure I only watch one per stream

>>15865925
So we really were bots after all...

>>15865958
Yeah people literally complain about the number of ads on Twitch streams. Seems obvious that advertisers are benefiting more there due to the amount that gets pushed there.
I wouldn't be surprised if advertisers pressure YouTube to put more ads onto streams soon.

>>15866012
I really don't mind if that means that they pay more to the streamers, even if it's 10 burger certificates more per stream

>Youtube disregards your audience if they watch multiple streams at once
>Twitch has a feature to show multiple streams for your audience
Why do >we hate Twitch again?

>>15866092
Ironically, Twitch's squad streaming does not give views to all the streams I think. Just to the main channel you're watching.

>>15866092
just the culture, pretty sure we can manage to isolate a good chunk of that considering how we tailored both our viewers and streamers

So I heard you guys were seething about the HoloJPs losing their numbers after laughing at HoloEN for a long time

>>15865271
>Starting to think Nijinoon might not even be culled
You're in the numbers thread and you just noticed this now?

>>15866122
La+ roommate stream has an alright chat, no twitch emote spam
I didn't watch when Pekora was streaming there though

>>15866136
Pretty much

>>15866092
It's literally better with the tools. But the culture they fostered there is horrendous. People are afraid that adopting some of the good tools (raids) will lead YT streams down the same path.

>>15866092
The culture. Twitch has a LOT of fucking cancer. Youtube has a much, much better chat culture, and the fact there aren't many streamers on there means the Holos are isolated and free to have their own little bubble. You really can't have that on twitch so you're going to get fags like Destiny trying to leech like crazy.

>>15866163
That's just JP culture in general
Pekora was spammed to hell and back on her first stream there though, mostly because she managed to get the Top 1 spot and was featured in the main page

Suisei finally got 200M total views. The next one to reach 200M should be Miko in 4 months.

>>15866136
No, most people in here are not nijiniggers.

>>15866136
Sure sure, me so angry, damn these EN whores etc etc
You can go back now

>>15866092
Twitch = /pol/, everyone goes there to be a retard
Youtube = /vt/, you get a few antis and schizos but not enough to be the majority of the board, you can also ignore a good chunk of it by only visiting the generals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N029UUlH1Dc
5M get

>>15866273
>>15862732
Sasuga

>>15866209
>Holos are isolated and free to have their own little bubble. You really can't have that on twitch
Except this is literally not true?
Twitch has plenty of bubbles like this, and you easily avoid going into certain ones if you want. There is some Twitch atlas that shows there's very noticable bubbles in Twitch communities that exist. https://twitchatlas.com/

>>15866208
Baffling how people here manage to convince themselves raids are somehow bad? Do they not know that Twitch streamers can limit who is allowed to raid them?

>>15866380
All they'd have to do is set chat to 1 day followers and don't have raids show up on screen really.

>>15866332
most of the bubbles are either different languages or very different communities, the thing is that large bubbles get the attention of everyone
I'm not against moving though, I think it's worth it, specially if they manage to keep Music releases and re-upload VODs on YT

>>15866212
Any of the top Holos streaming to Twitch would get a lot of random-ass spammers from their frontpage. They can set followers-only chat and slow mode to workaround it though.

>>15866118
It gives views to 6 streams, any over that are discounted.

== JP TIME STARTED ==
time to go back to work

>>15866380
Imagine if Holos could do raids lmao.
Whoever streams after Gura's timeslot would have a 10k+ average because Gura would just moves the 10k that stays for her SC reading to them.

God I hope Susan fixes their shit.

>>15866244
How about 3 digits JP whores?
Even HoloID is doing better

>>15866475
>do a raid
>all my viewers are now considered spam viewers

https://streamable.com/cowr3e

>>15866434
Hell, any >15K Holos after the double cull streaming to Twitch l would instantly become one of the top streamers on the platform.

>>15866461
Any source on that because I've been hearing the opposite

>>15866518
Bro what the fuck

>>15866475
Imagine the drama when Pekora is stuck either never raiding someone, or having to pick favorites (or just create that perception).

>>15866332
If Hololive ever went to Twitch they'd completely dominate the platform. Every single member from Mel to Pekora would be top 1% with Pekora and Marine contending for being the top talent on the platform. There's no way to secure a bubble like that, every single leech is going to come and want a bite. Normies will get angry, they'll start anti'ing, XQC will form a crusade against the anime girls hijacking the platform, the entire thing will be an enormous shit show.

>>15866525
Stream on twitch
Youtube for archive
This is the best way

Top 5 C99 Vtubers doujins sold on Melonbooks. Top 10 has R-18 Lulu doujin.

>>15866596
doesn't look 2 bad desu

>>15866525
God I hate twitch so much. It is the most concentrated form of cancer on the web.

>>15866525
>muh twitch doesn't have a large viewerbase
>they'll get less numbers there
Clearly that's not the case huh. It's all so stupid when you celebrate Gura getting shit like 15k views while the twitch front page is like this. They're on a completely different level

>>15866604
I think you need to take your schizo pills, anon

>>15866642
This isn't even showing the Spanish streamers who pull in the real numbers

I just realized something

I really truly don't think Nijisanji is getting culled. I believe they are going through a genuine recline.

>>15866518
>gen had the biggest debuts in the history of vtubers
>already ~3k streamers
what went wrong?

>>15866525
>stream titles
JESUS CHRIST
it's like being used to post on the generals like /niji/ or /hlgg/ and decide to take a look at the catalog after a /qa/ nigger stirs some shit

>>15866518
>10 mins
>5k waiting room
>3.4k watching

Still inclining, but just hoping she gets the waiting room at this rate.

>>15866604

>>15866680
Well that's bad fucking news, anon!
Because without the JP nijiniggers, I doubt Cover/holofags alone can get Youtube to revert this bullshit.

>>15866674
That's the list of all languages
https://twitchtracker.com/channels/live

Top Spanish streamer right now is 8K

>>15866689
La+ got arrested for raping your mom. It really took a toll on the mental health of gen 6.

>>15866518
I can't help but see crypto chart crashing

>>15866720
I could swear last time someone brought them up they where huge

I can't believe Pakora skipping Christmas made Susan so mad.

>>15866680
Kek, Nijiniggers only know how to destroy. They will never help with anything and Niggersanji will continue to recline. Face the facts bucko.

>>15866604
the main difference would be the influx of literally new viewers to the platform, I'm talking about over 100k regulars, any smart streamer would start pandering them instead

>>15866642
>different level
They're on the same level, Youtube just likes culling views

>>15866742
the huge ones aren't live right now

>>15866643
https://streamable.com/cwtomt
It'd be this except instead of being isolated on a different platform they'd send their followers to raid their channels.

>>15866720
A spanish streamer named Ibai had over 700k viewers for a New Years Event

>>15866720
>>15866720
Anon, these aren't spic hours.

>>15866746
Funnist thing is two things happened at the fucking same time

>>15866742
Timezone anon timezone

>>15866824
I've been awake too long.

The numbers got me lost.

>>15864462
If that hours watched per quarter is accurate, Hololive + Anycolor is about 20% of all youtube gaming hours watched per quarter if my shaky mental recall and math is right.

>>15866551
wait it wasnt squads it was in general, it was in a twitch newsletter or blog a few years ago.
It might have changed more recently but it used to count 6 as long as they where not muted though the twitch video interface.

Watame's numbers looking strange

>>15866850
More like Hololive is 19% of that 20% and AnyShit is 1%. Nobody watches Niggersanji.

>>15866913
La+ might not make 5K...

>>15866850
Don't lump Hololive with Nijisanji you nigger.

>>15866900
I know you're shitposting, but at least try to shitpost using facts that can't be instantly disproven with a simple archive visit.

>>15866868
All of Laplus, Watame and Anya's numbers are fucked rn, but that's nothing new.

>>15866776
>linking a sodapoppin clip as if he's anywhere near the norm for the entire platform
I see what you're doing there
also here is how to respond appropriately to literally this one streamer who likes to leave comments like this to get a rise out of people, which every streamer on twitch is acutely aware of
https://clips.twitch.tv/VibrantPleasantGaurHotPokket-tEtbfFusohcQRRMA

many Holo MC streams tonight, not looking good for numbers

>>15866900
Chill bruh, lmao.

>twitch is cancer
>their culture can't be used for Hololive
You guys do realize that Hololive is its own sustainable ecosystem? If they do move to Twitch, hopefully EN, they aren't gonna rely on big twitch streamers for buffs, they'll just collab with their own members. Put on follower/subs mode, it'll filter chat cancer. Disable raids, it'll filter leeching faggots. Open streamlabs for donations but disable TTS.

>what about fans that probably won't know they are streaming on twitch
Just put out a stream on YT with a big ol screen of "I'm streaming live on twitch right now."

>>15866980
>the proper response to leeches is to engage in drama
classic twitchniggers. both (you) and your vwhore

>>15866980
>Implying Sodapoppin and his clique don't influence the culture of the platform disproportionately

>>15866961
Does this mean Kronii and Mumei are fucking strong?

>>15867022
>>twitch is cancer
>>their culture can't be used for Hololive
YouTube is literally worse in every regard i really don't get these arguments
it like the people saying that never looked at YouTube before?
there's naked yoga, gays fucking each other in the ass, borderline cp
wtf?

>>15867032
How the hell is this considered drama?
It was an obvious joke.

>>15867022
Twitch would absolutely butcher them in terms of JP discoverability, which would be a slow march towards channel deaths.
ENs could get away with it because english speaking community uses twitch. the japanese do not outside of existing audiences going over for specific people they already follow on youtube.

>>15867056
It doesn't appear that they were culled as hard as JPs right now, both recovered their waiting rooms in around 15 mins. Mumei and Kronii getting ~6k playing MK and Hades is kinda believable.

One the other hand, Laplus had a 5k waiting room and even now, she's still 800 away after 30 minutes.
I'm pretty sure Laplus's VOD is going to beat Kronii and Mumei's.

>both bogdanoff brothers are dead?
>dump it

>>15867108
the second biggest JAP streamer is streaming on twitch? you can literally click the Japanese tag on twitch?
twitch is lightyears ahead in discoverability
lol

>>15867108
What? At least one Holo would be on the front page 24/7. Plus they already have millions of twitter followers. Discoverability is not an issue for Hololive. If they stream there, people will know.

>>15867108
The only discoverability YouTube offers is 3rd party clips being recommended to new pools of people. Those clips will still exist.

>>15867158
>twitch is lightyears ahead in discoverability
lmao

everybody who uses words like twitch culture or worse discoverability has literally never used twitch or is missing big parts of his brain, it's laughable at this point

Bros...why Okayu doesn't seems like getting affected at all

>>15867198
Because its all made up and there's only 3 people in this thread talking in circles

>>15867198
If anyone was gonna get spared, I’m glad it’s her

>>15867066
It's about the size anon. All that shit is just a small part of yt. The twitch culture we hate encompasses entire twitch, no exceptions

>>15867198
she's literally the best at the game right now

>>15867129
Wtf really?
>The Bogdanoff twins were both hospitalised, at Hôpital Européen Georges-Pompidou,[51] in critical condition on 15 December 2021, after contracting COVID-19. Grichka died on 28 December,[52] and Igor died six days later, on 3 January 2022.[53] They were 72 and both were unvaccinated.[54][55]
Damn

>>15867158
>twitch is lightyears ahead in discoverability
Only if you have big numbers and useless if you don't have big numbers. Of course, Hololive is easier to have big numbers so the point is moot

>>15867217
>All made up
Explain this

>>15867234
no it does not
look at mikos or pekos chat when they are live there you can watch mikos VODs
there are literally 100% different chats between different 10k+ plus streamers
if you want insane differences for "cultures" compare for example quin69 chat with admiralbaroo chat

>>15867032
>drama
are you unironically schizophrenic?
>>15867044
sodapoppin's clique is mostly VR chat streamers with like 2k average viewers.
If you mean the "austin" clique, what exactly are they influencing aside from some smaller streamers jumping in on the master chef meta, and how is that a threat to your oshi's streams?

You retards have made up this absolutely pants on head retarded narrative where twitch is controlled by a mafia of normalfag streamers and everyone else on the platform is at their heel, and it's so fucking stupid.
It's just a streaming platform with moderation, where you can disable raids and other features. If your oshi doesn't want to interact with random streamers it's entirely in their power to do so. Do you think the austin streamers, made of people who never leave their houses and just do cooking streams in their kitchen, and are generally completely disinterested in anything that happens outside their own little group of streamers, is going to DDOS your oshi for having the gall to be a vtuber on the same platform they stream on?

Cryptobros hacked youtube to make all the stream graphs look like their shitcoins so people would think it normal.

Discoverability on Twitch is a moot point since practically all of them will unironically be at the frontpage anytime they stream. Also they already have a huge pre-existing fanbase, they don't need that much discoverability anymore

RIP Laplus is not reaching her waiting room at this rate.
Tonight's Minecraft numbers are going to be a shitshow unless Pekora overpowers the cull through sheer power.

>>15867197
Says the twitchtard. Stop being a smoothbrain and accept that the majority of twitch fanbase is the mental equivalent of a gangs of obese niggers, dick and ass hanging out running through your neighbourhood shitting on your lawn because it's pog

Well my youtube premium and membered account just got flagged sometime in the last 12 hours. Meanwhile I can get this stream to 3 viewers by having it opened twice on my other account (once on mobile) and once with no account on different browser. The premium was a trial version and I was planning to renew it, but what's the point if there's no guarantee it actually helps the person I'm watching... Guess I'll make a new account but this shit it so annoying.

>>15867268
>Explain this

>>15867198
Now compare the vods. Almost the same CCV with almost the same duration but the views are far apart.. One has 170k already before 24hrs and one only have 116k after 9-10 days

>>15867291
>You retards have made up this absolutely pants on head retarded narrative where twitch is controlled by a mafia of normalfag streamers and everyone else on the platform is at their heel
Yes. People have been bullied off Twitch for getting on the wrong side of a clique.

>>15867323
i have made money with both platforms
was pretty obvious that you are so low iq that you had no argument to begin with so you have to resort to random racist ramblings

>>15867317
Compared to potential fanbase on youtube and the nature of twitchniggers, being on the top page for twitch is meaningless.

twitch beggars go and saty go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1mRnJBwquM

>>15867317
Yeah Twitch has worse discover ability only for small channels, who are never recommended and who'd you'd have to scroll to the bottom of their stream category to find. Big numbers are way easier to find, so snowball effect for popular streamers is much stronger than on YouTube.

>>15867336
>Yes. People have been bullied off Twitch for getting on the wrong side of a clique.
no one gets canceled unless they do it themselves

>>15867328
>bots aren't considered as bots by susan
I can't even laugh cause the same shit happened to me

>>15867351
Is your audience representative of an average holo's audience? No? Then stop shitting the thread you lobotomized retard.

>>15867382
It's even working with Vanced and my phone screen off. It's so fucking stupid.

>>15867410
You have no idea what you are talking about

Twitch is absolute cancer and Hololive should never go there. Twitch is the worst website on the internet.

>>15867441
And so do you if you think holo or niji migrating enmasse to twitch is somehow better for them

>>15867496
The only thing I hate more than Nijisanji is Holostars.

>>15867496
They'll make more money and that's all that matters

>people this concerned about moving to twitch
Hololive is already its own community. They can be isolated from every big twitch streamers and it won't affect them in any way. They can just stream on twitch and upload the VOD on YT. Songs, short videos, etc. can still be uploaded to their YT channel. Clippers will still make clips so there's really no difference here.

I'm looking forward to Laplus karaoke numbers later...I bet it can't even pass 10k

Holy shit if the fact that premium users aren't being counted because of their AI gets out this could be bad for YouTube.

>>15867549
I have faith that she'll get 10k.... in her waiting room and never actually get 10k.

>>15867537
Hololive isn't moving to twitch, this discussion is pointless.

>>15867513
>they make more money
More "donation" money. They are not your average streamers anon. And even that donation money may not be greater than what they earn on youtube considering all other factors

>>15867360
YouTube recommendations for livestreams are far too segmented for that. YT discoverability is all in clippers so it doesn't matter where someone is streaming

>>15867585
Why not both?

>>15867585
They can still try to stream some of their normal content on twitch and not just watchalongs

Ollie got turned into a fucking midtier 3view

>>15867652
Still better than HoloJP

>>15867537
>They can just stream on twitch and upload the VOD on YT.
why are people so fucking stupid
mizkif stream to like 20-50k people and his clips and main yt channel is fucking dead.
Same for nyanners and mouse, the views they get on that are pretty much in the ground and have decayed even more.
YOU CANT move to twitch to stream as you will lose impressions and impressions interactions which is a huge part of what push your content on the algo.

>>15867623
Can't restream
Splits viewership
Apart from shakabros and stylishnoobs, not many nips use twitch and nips are famous for being reticent to adapt to changes

>>15867623
NTA, but imo one reason they'll never move is because youtube subcount and superchats are 2 integral aspects of Hololive culture.

If you don't stream on youtube and just upload VODs, the VOD views will be shit and your subgrowth will slow down unless you post your own highlight clips. From all the sub milestone marathons they do, it's obvious how much they care about subs.
It's also no secret that Cover and the holo fanbase takes great pride in dominating youtube's SC rankings.

Even if twitch means their CCV issue is fixed, Cover isn't going to move their base until it gets so bad that Pekora becomes a 3-view.

>>15867622
You are right, but the friction to move offsite to watch a streamer from an entertaining clip is far more than you think. A vast majority of youtube watchers don't even have twitch accounts so you will certainly lose tourists. There are very few examples of twitch streamers who had a permanent incline because their clips got popular on youtube.

>>15867707
Only do videos watch-along on twitch like Vshojo
How about that?

>>15867677
She's a huge numberphile tho

>>15867198
Because there is a cullschizo samefagging his conspiracy theories of Youtube.

>>15867198
It's not like one of them is a single pov with Ayame and Subaru, right?

>>15867564
Susan saw a perfect money making scheme. Make premium account flagged as bots, they don't count towards watching creators, Youtube pockets the full amount. It's called Jewtube for a reason.

>>15867752
Miko already does watchalongs and since not many holos follow her, it's clear that they don't really care about that type of content

>>15867752
miko already does that

>>15867791
>>15867810
Vshojo reacts on YT. Miko watch videos with amazon prime if im not mistaken so their "watch along" content are different no?

Bitch has had enough
https://twitter.com/ksononair/status/1478653013179117570

>>15867791
Miko only did movie watch-along
I'm talking about youtube videos watch-along on twitch
You can show screen to audience

Here's a thing I don't understand with Youtube and "cleaning" the ccv numbers... Since the reason for doing it is 99.9% because ad buyers want a "real" number they could have just split it into two different numbers. Unfiltered ccv outwards which looks good to the public, brings in more viewers etc. And then a "cleaned" number private to any ad buyers.
But no, Pajeet had to shit in the code cause it's his birthright...

>>15867883
>>15867922
They don't want to deal with japanese copyright nutjobs and antis shitting on them for using other people's clips without permission

>>15867914
probbaly doing what pikamee does.

>>15867914
Not a surprising move, has already flirted heavily with both twitch audience and twitch vtubers.
Indie so the switch is easy, less fan base to lose in a swap.

>>15867935
>Twitch
>DMCA
>Copyright
>Permission
Rumao Rumao

https://vrabi.ml/video/CVfq-5dmi2Y
Could be a Nijicull stream.
>Ratna's new costume reveal + return stream
>Waiting room 9k.
>Dropped to 3k

>>15867914
More Vshojo collabs let's goooooo

>>15868012
that wont stop japanese schizos

>>15868029
They can't do anything to twitch

>>15867946
Yeah she could stream on both for now and see what works best. That even means she could try to attract both a twitch audence and a youtube audience like pikamee.

>>15868012
> Watching full movies
kek, the only thing they dmca for is music the rest is a free for all.

>>15868026
She was already planned to be on ironmouse's show soon so that was already a given.

>>15868048
japanese schizos dont bother just youtube, they bother the copyright holders.

>>15868012
Retarded newfag
Before Mio got Capcom'd, nips were already going full autism towards hololive for streaming without permissions

just saw a death threat dox thread on the front page. calm down schizos

>>15868048
You don't do things on twitch. You just shit on them in all other venues. Spread rumors and lies, make them a black mark in japanese society.
A real nip schizos are 100 % worse then any other schizo, since they will take that beef to real life if they can.

>>15868012
retard

What about this?
>regular stream moves to twitch
>YT accounts repurposed for shorts and clips
>free chat still opens and shown via obs for the occasional SC, poll, and chat activities

>>15868073
So?
That's because they're on youtube
Twitch doesn't have these problems

>>15868025
This is just their normal numbers. Nijis aren't known to have huge outfit reveal streams.

>>15867927
Yeah I never understood the 1st adblock cull. They could give the advertises the "real" numbers behind the scenes and it would look better for youtube publicly. This 2nd cull though really just seems like they fucked up some new code or the AI to detect bots got out of control.

>>15868140
Look at the graph,
She got culled from 10k to 3k and is at 5k now after 11 mins.
It's the same phenomenon that's happening to Holos.

>>15868140
>6k people just poofed and neever came back
ok

>>15868088
tensions are rising and the schizos are becoming even more territorial with their tribalfagging. This is the age of the bad numbers. Get used to it.

Shup up
Rushia is doing Gacha with 2M yen to save the numbers

>>15868164
It's well documented that people in fact leave during the waiting period.

>>15868164
Nah, that is natural. I've been doing a lot of research into this and I don't think Nijisanji is getting culled. I think its a genuine recline.

>>15868139
Retard, it's not about youtube or twitch, it's about an horde of nijifags compiling proofs and messaging them to their respective copyright holders to screw hololive and create a bad reputation to the brand

>>15868178
It's been 13 mins and she hasn't reached her 4.5k waiting room.
It's done, her stream is already fucked.

How many holos pass 5k today? Since 5k is now the 10k. If they can pass that 5k capped maybe the next growth is 10k.

Rushia stream where the stream title match the numbers....4k

>>15868218
>Since 5k is now the 10k.
That would unnecessarily boost those mid-tier Nijis when it's been shown here that they weren't affected by the new culling.

>>15868218
5 - mumei, gura, kronii, ina and la+

>>15868140
> nijifags want to deny the cull on their own livers just so they can shit on hololive.

I wonder if nijifags would accept nijisanji shutting down as a perceived necessary evil if it made Hololive as well being shut down.

>>15868145
Adblock doesn't seem to matter. Testing on a 0view an incognito window is counted regardless of AdBlock or not. So maybe the AdBlock cull theory was wrong to begin with?

>>15867117
5.9-6k is normally what Mumei has while reading SCs, struggling to reach that playing games isn’t normal, 8-9k would make more sense. We’re talking about someone known for being able to spontaneously materialize 7k+ viewers for a stream regardless of forewarning or timeslot. Kronii is totally believable with her penchant for tanking her numbers with debuff games.

>>15868218
Ina, Gura, Mumei. Kronii, La+(waiting room)

>>15868139
Them streaming on Twitch doesn't change the fact that they're a Japanese company that need to abide by Japanese laws, anon. If it's not from Twitch themselves, then it will be from the associated companies. Look back to the Holocaust, Youtube itself didn't give a fuck about all those permission bullshit unless it's a song that somehow triggered the AI, companies like CAPCOM were the one giving strikes on Mio's channel manually.

>>15868260
That's a lot, good. Keep that up let's grow even more, let's do it again. Bitching ain't helping.

>>15868277
Don't be a tribal fag, anon. We only interpret the results here with the evidences provided and so far only Kuzuha from Nijisanji's side might have been affected but it's still up for debate.

Ratna's return stream, this like to view rate is not a niji jp like to view ratio. She is culled hard.

>>15868289
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/VxwfWm2K1hc
>5.7k peak
This was the stream I was referencing for Mumei MK, but since it's after the 27th, it's technically after the cull started.

>>15868320
Add rushia to the list she just pass 5k

>>15868218
Rushia now pass 5k.