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General numberfag sites>https://playboard.co/en/>http://ikioi-ranking.com/>https://vrabi.ml/>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-rankingHololive sites>https://holo.poi.cat/>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html>https://trackholo.live/en/Nijisanji sites>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly>https://twitter.com/2434rankings>https://twitter.com/2434subscriberTwitch>https://sullygnome.com/>https://twitchtracker.com/>https://stats.roki.sh/Full list athttps://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR
a semi-different reply to the same question, they no longer ask for details
>>15812379>more accurate counting>fails to count thousands of legitimate viewerswew
>tfw we were bots all alongbeep boop
The great number culling is a good thing for the whole vtuber industry.
>>15812379another one
>>15812430* sends half your legitimate email to an invisible SPAM folder *>NOTHING PERSONEL, PEONSThat’s the equivalent if this was GMail
>>15812453Let's see Paul Allen's numbers
This one. (sooner, plus not a faggot OP)Also, Matsuri is getting culled so hard, it's not even funny.~4k CCVWhen her last ones, well..https://holo.poi.cat/stream/gn_jf1bVnkQhttps://holo.poi.cat/stream/uC43P-ygMoc
So, Kuzuha shill stream predictions?Will 5ch finally wake up once he tanks? They didn't seem to notice Kanae and Himawari getting some of the worst streams ever.
>>15812532They'll just attribute it to being (League of Legends).Those niggers won't believe shit until Kuzuha fails to break 10k on something like 10-11pm APEX.
>>15812495she is already at 28k$ in sc...
>>15812570Apex is considered debuff game now since the top JP streamers decided that it was time to call it boring (and of course they instantly dipped too)
Looks like the symptom is like this everywhere, it took much longer until the viewership stabilizes compared to how it used to be, and ended up with much lower number
some preliminary unique chatters/avg ccv numbers. using december solo streams only (no events, shill, singing, totsu, etc.)Subarubefore 26.65%after 41.02%her numbers seem to be pretty consistent throughout december. mainly because she's been pretty much playing yakuza and pokemon on the same slot all month.using the old ratio, her last free talk stream on new years should have been a 20.2k avg ccv instead of 15.4k
>>15812482
I can't stand it anymore. I'm retiring from /#/
>>15812495Youtube says the number is more accurate so it must be more accurate. Surely you aren't doubting that each of those 4000 viewers sent an average of about 750 yen in SC?
>>15812379It's over for Yagoo and his bot farm
>>15812607Look at that subtle off white coloring, the tasteful ratio of likes to views.
>>15812625anon, (You) have a really high chance to be a bot in the eyes of susan, doesn't matter what content you watch
>>15812610Fucking Nene is a 3view now what the hell
>>15812610Chihiro's been hit hard but Aizono seems fine.
>>15812454This fag seems talking about vod views and not live viewers
>>15812379Why are they so obsessed with getting "accurate" CCV while doing nothing with the VOD views? Almost all monetization is based off views, CCV is really nothing more than a prestige thing.
>>15812379>>15812454Didn't these dipshits want to compete with Twitch for the streaming audience? Yeah, I'm sure making it feel like your streamers audiences is stagnating/reclining is a good move.Big brained turbomove, Susan!
>>15812702this was talking about the wait room
Watame's stream ccv to like ratio
>>15812707Wow anon it's almost like you're on the cusp of a magical realisation that will change your life forever.
Nene put up a poll. 4.6k votes within 3 minutes
Looks they're on to it, Nene's poll is over 4000, maybe over 5. when shes under 2K CCV
Closing in on the 24 hour mark and Towa’s vod views have hit 484k. Assuming it stalls here that puts her above Shion’s birthday level of 462k in the first 24 hours, and Shion hit 88k live viewers. I don’t think Twap got as many live viewers but even discounting this number conservatively we still seem to suggest a number around 80k, a marked improvement and a suggestion of a raw 75% cull.. Her vod views and song release are also mogging the shit out of the other yonkisei so far, so seeing what Luna’s numbers look like will be really interesting to see if the issue that hit Towa is an exception or the future trend.
If the number bug was real, that means Gura was actually being suppressed during the outfit reveal that almost reached 200k CCVs. I wonder what the actual number was?
>>15812707Youtube wants to compete with twitch as the streaming platform (that's why they bought ludwig) to attract more advertisers. But they don't want them to treat youtube as the japanese cartoon streamer platform, so they nerfed ccv but left vod untouched so vtubers couldn't complain because they are technically not losing vod view money
Nenechi 1400 ccv 4k votes
>no screenshot>screenshot of just the pollgood job
>>15812854WORKING AS INTENDED
>>15812707because it's targeted brand management. the kind youtube routinely engages in and has for years.
>>15812739They want the western streamers to succeed, not those cringey anime ones.
>>15812854Obviously polls are bugged and triple counting votes
>>15812854>>15812828Include the ccv in the screencap dumbasses
>>15812829Ahahahaha...Yea, Nene's a numberfag, she KNOWS something's wrong after that outfit reveal poll, no reason not to keep pressing the issue with more evidence.Fucking 200% engagement. NICE SITE YOUTUBE.
>>15812850No one benefits from this. YouTube least of all since it also affects their seven figure investment Ludwig
>>15812876Well they fucked up on that part too then.
>>15812854nene's going to have another menhera breakdown over numbers again isn't she...
>>15812854300% participation. Seems legit.
> cull CCV> before introducing raidingwhat the fuck is youtube even trying to do at this point?
>>15812876Yeah they did a good job in that part too by banning ludwig 3 times already lol.
>>15812707An interesting question we'll never know the answer to: is Youtube charging advertisers to show ads to those 'spam' viewers? If they are, is the streamer getting their share of that money?
>>15812950>what the fuck is youtube even trying to do at this point?They're doing the needful
>>15812905I hope she keeps spamming polls to give us more data
>>15812950kill the whole platform I guess
>>15812950It's a change designed to screw vtubers so they don't make other big streamers like Ludwig look bad.
Susan... save my wife...
>>15812957They literally can't leash their AI, it's become an uncontrollable beast of pajeet spaghetti code.
>>15812950Different departments, the Gujurat Pajeets are working on higher verified audiences to sell more to advertisers while the Desis are trying to compete with Twotch market share. They don’t talk to each other and probably hate each other.
>>15812950They're trying to fuck over vtubers so the anime shit doesn't scare off the normies.
>>15812835Already gone up another 1k to 485k. I imagine the vod is going to keep growing a lot in the future since it's the only place to listen to two of her new songs. But even then I agree around 80k peak is a reasonable assumption. Hope Luna does well.
>Susan has been hololive's greatest ally for years>a few bad streams>holofags are very upset but lack self awareness
>>15812850How does this help? Wouldn't it just be easier and more beneficial to inflate the views of streamers they favor? As it is it seems they also get their numbers suppressed, albeit possibly not quite as much. it just gives the overall impression that more people are interested in twitch than Youtube.
LUNA HIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPLEASE 20K!!!
Guys remember when normies accidentally discovered the negative subsription bug exploited during the peak of Idubbz content cop popularity? And it took youtube fucktons of hours before they fixed it? How can we be sure that its not the same thing happening at the moment?
>>15813062>>Susan has been hololive's greatest ally for yearsYeah she really did them a solid with all the shadow bans and the time they were one copyright strike away from the entire company getting permabanned
Maybe vtubers should just make polls at the start of every stream and let them run the whole time to embarrass youtube until they do something or disable the poll feature.
>>15813087No one but 50 schizos on the 4th channel really care about this and can't voice their complaints without using anti-Semitic slurs.
>>15812950No one actually knows. The developers just work on shiny new things that get them good points for their next review. Then they move onto some more interesting project or retire at 40 rich as fuck from working at a top tech company.
>>15813087We don't for sure.Tomorrow is the first real 'back on the job' day for burgers since Monday was a holiday (to make up for the new year falling on a weekend). If by the end of the week NOTHING has been addressed (this is the new normal officially by TeamYT, or "There has been an issue with our live-viewer verification, and we'll be addressing the issue in the coming days"), expect this to the new normal anyways since it was ON PURPOSE and TARGETED since thus far, normie streamers are unaffected.
>>15813087I do not remember this I don't really follow that kind of stuff I just remember that guy got laughed off the internet because his girlfriend was doing Onlyfans.
>>15812854wait room get, I guess
>>15813087The problem is the live view count not showing 50% of the people watching is a bit harder to prove than that. Youtube can always brush it off saying it's just their bot view detector working as intended. It's a bit harder to spin channels having a thousand negative subs as working correctly.
You know what's the worst part about the whole thing?The fact that Pekora and Marine will be at around 40K CCV average for 2022 (cause they are still growing like crazy esp. in Japan) and now not only we will have to leave empty handed but also vwhore niggers will act all uppity thinking people got bored of hololive and they are the hot shit right now when this couldnt be further from the truth.
>>15813155"We are removing bot subs." EZ
>>15813062>greatest ally>constant demonetizations>accidental channel deletions>constant stream-terminations for Mel, Choco and a few others.>forced Cover's hand to take away the pantsu, and swimsuits because of risk of channel bans.>constant shadow bans, both of the streamers and their viewers.
>>15813080I am sure Hime will at least match Towa's 20k ccv. The culls seem to vary hugely. I suspect Towa was hit harder the most.
>>15813186>accidentalhehehehehehehe
>>15813065That's hard to code for the google pajeets
>>15812854maybe take a screenshot with viewernumber? tweet it at the retards at youtube?
>>15813080The state we've been reduced to, begging for 20k...
>>15813186ignore the nijinigger, it lacks self awareness
>>15812875To many retards. They go as far as to take the screenshot but crop out the context
>>15813114>>15813186>greatest ally is a views merchant fucking you overtruly sounds like the behavior of a greatest ally
>>15813001Isn't he also affected though?
>>15813222Probably got hit really hard because she had so many guests.
>>15813265They'll just reply with a vague essay about how viewer counts are working as intended thanks to their advanced algorithms and actually the poll votes are just from her having 300% viewer churn in 2 minutes, you can't prove otherwise
Is the last samurai guy okay? Did he off himself after seeing Gura's numbers?
>>15813310Hololive is losing views and Youtube is trying to cover it up in the name of "creator liberties" with a new system called the "Universal Stream Scraper"! Google USS Liberty to find out more!
>>15813313No. He hit 25k in his last stream: https://playboard.co/en/video/_GFSfGDj6iE
>>15813119Letting them run the whole time doesn't prove anything since many people enter and leave the stream. They should do polls that last exactly two minutes after the 30 minute mark when the CCV has stabilized.
>>15813065>How does this help? Wouldn't it just be easier and more beneficial to inflate the views of streamers they favor? As it is it seems they also get their numbers suppressed, albeit possibly not quite as much. it just gives the overall impression that more people are interested in twitch than Youtube.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTsUMJz3i3QIt's working as intended
>>15813387meeanwhile gura averaged 10-15k viewers and once her vod died it had 250k views
>>15813250Yes? If they'd want to delete the channel they'd probably not restore it afterwards and waste their corporate support's time.There is literally no reason for YT to delibaretely try to bully anyone from the platform. Any such attempt would just drive the content creators to use other platforms, and would ruin their reputation to boot.
>>15812656Oh my god, it even has letterboxing
Yeah this looks natural I guess
>>15812495Wasn't she planning to drop apex altogether since her fans didn't like it that much anyway?
Holocels... esto es el fin
>>15813412>Likes hiddenSo are these guys not getting culled? It's literally just Jewtube targeting vtubers because they hate anime shit?
>>15813001I don't get why they won't just lean into something that's already organically popular on their platform. Forcing shit on people like this never worked for them before, and it won't work now.
When using polls for your advanced tinfoil hat analysis, don't forget that on Twitch, polls average 30-40% participation, so 250% of the viewers voting is actually about 6x as many votes as you would typically expect
>>15813464Every mario kart stream has waves like that
This is what Susan wantshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTsUMJz3i3Q
>>15813469Gacha is okay, since it's gacha + a match or two to show it off.
>>15813080if any Lunaito here is a discordfag I know some of you are /here/ get them to refresh the stream after the waiting room starts, and open another private window with the stream as well.Since Youtube considers us bots now, might as well live up to their "classification".
>>15813472The more niche a thing is, the stronger the cull should be. That's by design, since niche things will always have the same select people watching the streams, so once they get flagged the whole thing is fucked. Also, for niche things, the viewers are more likely to behave in a "spammy" way and get flagged.
>>15813472Its not. It's accounts being marked as suspicious, with vtuber fans affected more perhaps due to them sticking to watching a limited number of channels. Ludwig did a poll as well and had way more responses than viewers
>>15813506So real numbers = poll voters * 3? Nene would have 12k viewers then.
>>15813476Stop believing everything you read on this site.
>>15813476>Forcing shit on people like this never worked for them before, and it won't work now.More of your identity is shaped by big tech than you'd like to think anon. Youtube is well beyond the point of needing to jump on organic trends, they control the trends, as does Twitter, Facebook and all other social media. https://youtu.be/NvJ2uYN8qtg
>>15813412muted nene instead of roberu by accident but you get the idea, their chat was pure spam too, you can see the repeated messageshttps://streamable.com/nuhaze
>>15813547>normal user behaviors = botsI can believe this. YT is really trash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxHdyOAM8rnoooo flare
Leftists always had a problem with anime but why?
Can the conspiracytards fuck off so we can actually discuss things that are quantifiable and probable rather than what the spirits in your head told you.
Last testing I do for YouTube Premium https://streamable.com/9jpprg Incognito tab and premium/non premium in another windowI had window with premium highlighted reason the view count went back to 0 after 1min on the incognito tab. I then had to wait about 1min to get the view counted again. Then I switched two the non premium on the premium tab and both views were counted.Pretty much from the 3 hours I wasted testing. 1. Premium never got counted as a viewer. 2. As long as your on the video for at least 1sec your view gets counted if you switch tabs. But if you take longer than 1min on another tab your view gets removed.3. Switching back to the tab, I had to wait about 1min for my view to be counted again.4. It took around 15-30sec for my view to be counted when I clicked on a stream.
>>15813600
>>15813601Wow, really fucked upy my link therehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxHdyOAM8rw
>>15813522i did some diggingapparently this is a channel by some famous dudehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazunari_Ninomiya
>>15813472The strawberry faggots also got culled and they are not even vtubers i think is anime shit in general.
>>15813600Doesn't seem like leftism is related to anything here in anyway. Besides anime is mainstream
>>15813604It's quantifiable that Youtube is fucking Hololive over and very probable the Jews are behind it.
>>15813587Based Nene and son watcher
>>15813464It's the usual Marika stream
>>15813615nice data, the 1 minute focused on tab seems reasonable
>>15813633Source? Your persecution complex?
>>15813600Because they have a strangle hold over the very popular American media and use it to push the message, but not over Asian shit. Simple as
>>15813589Put yourself in Youtube's shoes. >tens of thousands of accounts that watch the same channels every day for 12 hours a day >spam the same emojis in chat>same IP viewer usually has multiple streams open from the same channels as the other viewers
>>15813616Just you wait youtubeJust you wait
>>15813615good work anon
>>15813666>they subscribe to the same 5 channels that have no content at the same time
>>15813644The only unusual part is that AT LEAST HALF THE VIEWERS ARE MISSING.
>>15813666This is the exact same behavior that the average Twitch viewer would show, although I can certainly believe that Google are completely out of touch with how their user base behaves
>>15813666as long as you have a verified gmail account with activity there's 0 logic why it should be flagged as illegitimate
>>15813576>they control the trendsThey think they do, but the evidence is clearly for them not knowing what the fuck is happening on their own platforms 99% of the time. Protip: there is no master manipulators, just arrogant dumb fucks with more money than sense at the wheel.
>>15813615good work anonany plans to tag youtube support? they might notice if it's a premium user
>>15813698It is, which is why Ludwig was also affected. Lucky for them this happened before they managed to poach more Twitch talent
>>15813663Do you have a source on that?Source?A source. I need a source.Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.Do you have a degree in that field?A college degree? In that field?Then your arguments are invalid.No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.Correlation does not equal causation.CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.Nope, still haven't.
Thank you for not culling Luxiem Susan. Holobronies seethe & cope. Nijichads are here to stay.
>>15813702Some people probably make a new gmail account only for vtubers (I do)
>>15813698>Want Twitch's viewers>Spend a hundred million dollars buying Twitch streamers>Do everything else on earth possible to not count Twitch-like viewers as legitimateSounds very YouTube actually.
>>15813080She will be lucky to get 15k
>>15813615based, nice detective work anonnow, can we use these pieces of evidences and send them to team youtube or an influencer or something?
The only Holos that can consistently break 5k (in non-SC reading streams) in the current meta:MikoSuiseiFubukiAyameSubaruShion (?)Aqua (?)KoronePekoraRushiaMarineChloeLa+ (?)GuraInaMoriAme (?)Kronii (?)
>>15813702The YouTube algorithm probably doesn't have access to that information due to generally not needing it as well as for privacy reasons.
unironically I think bait threads using culled numbers and insulting the new "low viewer" chuubas as "OH NO NO RECLINING" might actually be the best way to get the normalfags involved.Youtube isn't gonna do shit without those zombies up in arms.
>>15813615Try sharing your evidence on some normie site if you can>I'm watching the first stream of a friend and I noticed that...and tell them that it's pretty discouraging for them
13K+ waiting that's 35K minimum normally
>>15813629sounds like cope
>>15812379Youtube-kun...
>>15813615>1. Premium never got counted as a viewer.>pay youtube>never get counted as viewerWOW
>>15813615Apparently youtube doesn't know what multiple monitors are for fuck's sake
>>15813730This but unironically. Your claim was that it is quantifiable.
>>15813784Got up to 18k.
>>15813722They seemed pretty dismissive of the previous Premium user to call them out but it never hurts making more noise about it. Unlike dislikes being removed this directly involves money and they can't spin it any other way.
>>15813791If someone finds out Premium money hasn't been divvied up correctly because of this "bug" Youtube are in deep shit. Legit class action lawsuit material.
18k to 2.5kit's over...
>>15813777Why would google give a fuck about privacy reasonsThey already track what you do in your phone if you have any app installed and gmail and youtube are sharing the same umbrellaThey have many ways they could tell human from false behavior the pajeets they hire are just fucking incompetent and full of bad ideas
>>15813799fuck the recovery is so slow...it wont get 10k...
18000 -> 2400 DORYAAAAAAAAAA
>>15813600they need to learn Japanese in order to take over the anime industry and leftists are obviously too lazy to do that, so all they have left is seething and petty bullshit like this.How much do you bet some blue haired twitch bitch is creaming herself reading this entire thread?
>>15813704>there is no master manipulators, just arrogant dumb fucksI believe it's a mix of both. They obviously try to manipulate and control as much possible. Just because they aren't successful every time doesn't mean they don't try. That's what the entire datamining/advertising industry is.
>>15813812Interestingly this lines up more or less exactly with poll participation being 250% rather than the expected ~35%
>>15813736Your "Nijichads" didn't come close to Bae's actual viewership. Keep huffing that copium Nijinigger.
>>15813802last one I saw had more of an angry confrontational tone to it, which most support teams are trained to ignore since they make up the majority of false alarms.
>>15813798What? That Youtube isn't counting 50% of more of viewers and including them in the live viewer count? Yes. It's very quantifiable, check the polls since the New Year, check stream CCVs both early December and currently and compare, look at number of chat participants compared to CCV and compare in early December and now. Just go back and read the last few threads
>>15813522what is this kpop? All the comments are in moonrunes, it's not attracting any English speakers, so this would have got what it's getting regardless of whether vtubers are culled or not.
I hope management of these agencies let chuubas know the numbers are fake
>>15813615sounds like using 2 different browsers might help with point 2 and 3?
>>15813876Random nips watching TV host
>>15813727He wasn't though: >>15813387
.... not even 7k bros i fear Luna 3D numbers
>>15813876Famous Japanese guy who has a channel with 3 male idolsSee >>15813621 youtube section
>>15813858>Mysta>Rias>MystariasEven their names are ESL as fuck. SEANIGGERsanji.
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELuna please save us
>>15813823Government regulations mostly. But you're right, privacy is not the biggest reason. More like there's no reason for Google's internal APIs to provide all information about an user since if it's not needed it's just a waste of space and less importantly a potential privacy violation in the future.
The cull is 60-70% now I guess. By sunday it could reach 90%, these fucking idiots won't be able to ignore it anymore.
>>15813876Johnny is a talent agency in Japan, these are boy band members under their management. Definitely being botted though since this is the exact situation where kpopesque shenanigans happen and comments are a tenth of what you see from similar sized viewership stuff like hikakin
S-Surely it reaches 10k, right
all of them meets kson today huh...
>>15813966Its also ultra weird3 million subs but 300k live viewers?
>>15813860Might want to read the response thread to see what you're responding to.
>all those hopes snd dreams for huge Gura 3D NUMBERS, shattered...I'll ngmi bros...
>>15813859It'll help for more people to speak up in a variety of tones then. Premium viewers not counting as viewers and actually losing content creators money is not a good look for Youtube, far worse than dislike removal since it then becomes legit fraud.
Nene just polled btw. >100% 1 minI think cover is upto something
>>15813966>real bots are viewed as legitimate>meanwhile real users are viewed as botsFUCK SUSAN AND FUCK PAJEETS
So 7k = 30k? It's not that easy right?
>>15813980>It's quantifiable that Youtube is fucking Hololive over???
>>15813905He was. He commented on poll numbers being higher. Just having a high viewer number doesn't mean he's not affected.
Pol on Nenes stream2x as many votes as views in 3 minutes...
>>15813989POST THE SCREENSHOT OF THE POLL WITH THE VIEWER NUMBERS
>>15813965that one anon had the right idea. current numberfagging isn't to predict how high the number can go, it should be how low a gold worthy stream should be
>>15813978Jpopstan viewerbase, who were kpopstans before kpop.
this shit ain't passing 10k jesus christ
>we will start handing out golds to waiting rooms
Nenechi blessing us with another poll
>>15814005The topic was motive anon. I.e. wanting to specifically hide HL viewers. Keep up.
>>15814022this isn't a cliff anymore, it's fucking Mariana trench
5k 200% viewers get
>>15814046>another pollNene is in full numberfag mode lmao
>>15814021I get that but these are 4 famous lads and their channel had vlogged since April of 2021They can get 200 to 300k live viewers but not more than 3 million to hit a subscribe button?Thats super inconsistent statistically
>>15813966Johnny's channel should not get culled because it's relatively new (?). In another case Sutopuri (male idol group) channel was affected by the cull too.
>Luna 3D>47 minutes remaining>2k waiting
at 2.5k viewswas at 4k 2 minutes in
ngmi
>>15814040Except I never said Youtube is ONLY fucking over Hololive, only that they ARE fucking over Hololive. We already know that plenty of indies are caught up in it too, as well as Niji so I don't need to justify anything regarding motive.
>>15814015Here's one I caught.2422 CCV2432 votes in under a minute. Forgive low res.
>>15814063Do this >>15814046 instead of cropping out the relevant info
So if difficult waiting room recovery is one of the signs of culling. Wasn't there a Rosemi stream in december who suffered the same pattern? It might be one of the earliest cases of the cull.
>>15814022I'm guessing it will hit the 30 minute hard plateau at just under 10k
>>15814067>>15814063Capped out at 5.9k votes for 2.5k viewers
>>15814067So if we assume 50% of viewers responded to the poll, which is very generous Nenechi has a real viewercount of around 10k
>>15814089Whoops I'm logged in, ah well I love my wife
so we multiply per 4 to get a rough idea of the viewcount ok I get it
>>15814087Yeah, is it possible that YT uses NijiEN as a testbed for this cull?
>we care about the health of our creators that's why we don't do anything about spam bots, antis and harassement but will shadowban legitimate viewers. Working as intended. Don't need to thank us.
>>15814094i dont think the 50% applies to hololive fansBUT she probably has 30% more than that poll make it look.So arounnd 7k
>>15814025Waiting rooms are unironically a better reference of actual viewership at this point. The problem is capturing the exact top value for the waiting room since it tends to spike drastically just before the stream starts, so holostats could easily miss the peak value by a huge ammount.
does gold medal for this month onward invalidated?
>>15814056They actually got 1m sub in the first week and then flatlined from there until the present. So i wouldnt be surprised if a big chunko of that viewer base is bots. The comment number is a tenth of hikakin who is at the moment streaming to about 32k.
>>15814087We might not even be dealing with the consequences single change here but multiple. Shadowbans + randomly slower viewer validation + god knows what else Youtube decided to change behind the scenes.
>>15814087>In decemberjust look at the one she did today took like 10-15min to recover and never passsed 2k unlike her other 2 FNAF streams. Also a pretty uncontested slot.
>>15814069If you're not assigning motive to what's happening then why are you responding in this thread with some anon claiming the whole thing is a Jewish conspiracy?
here is another "bot" behavior>be watching one stream>stream ends>immediately open another stream of the same <<family>>
Kanata, poll onegai, my body aches for validation
>>15814125Waiting rooms used to be the floor though. People would filter in over the first 20 mins of a stream. So we really have no idea how many people are watching. Kanata's stream is at 8.5k viewers right now when she had a waiting room of 20k so precull we'd expect her to have something like 24-28k by now.
>>15814153Youtube should adjust their algorithm to Vtubers audience behavior then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3TVNnwtvn840 mins for King mobile LoL. Predict the peak.
>>15814153>illegal view funneling was truly illegal all alongYou chose this future, /#/
>>15814132>1 million in the first weekNo celebrity in the world can force this without corporate backing or paying for itThis is such sad shit
>>15814190
Thank god this thread discovered Namibia. Relaxing with Oryx-chan is the only thing preventing me from having a mental breakdown due to these culls. Seeing my oshi Miko get one of the only 2M+ view streams in Hololive history also helped!!Watch Oryx-chanhttps://youtu.be/ydYDqZQpim8
>>15814145It's obvious it's the Jews, it's always the Jews. Why the Jews are doing it is an entirely different question. Don't get so offended Schlomo
>>158141905K
>>15814180kek, the will never acknowledge that there are different types of audiences. Main reason being they would have to admit they were wrong at some point.
>>15814087The Rosemi stream was weird. It was really hyped up, got a big waiting room, and then got significantly delayed so that the maximum possible audience was already in the waiting room when it started, instead of being able to incline normally. On top of that the actual stream was awkward and scuffed and probably made at least some people leave or mute it. Net result was it took the whole stream to hit the waiting room number.
>>15814201I'm watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01bYvIRNRGYto feel better
>>15814190Less than 10k
>>15814178That's why I said reference, not estimate. The culling is all over the place, which makes comparing different streams almost pointless, but looking at waiting room numbers at leaves gives an even picture across streams, at least as far as the cull effect is concerned.
>>15814094Yes. Honestly if you quadruple every holo's stream this afternoon, it looks normal. >Nene 10k>Watame 12k >Matsuri Apex Gacha 16k
>>15814190here's a new one
>>15814252more like around 2-3x
>>15814217the "only watch streams in the 'family'" and "all move from one streamer to another" behavior is exactly how viewers of the popular clique on Twitch behave too
>>15814268kek
>>15814190>600 waitingPfhahaha...5ch nijikeks are about to get a rude awakening
>>15814252This also seems to coincide with my estimate of towa’s anniversaryreal numbers. Maybe 4x is the way to go for “core holo” streams (vs ones with high tourist count)
Kanata is still very slowly ticking up toward 10k. She'll make it
Is it possible this thing spirals out of control and more and more accounts get flagged for consistently associating with other "bots" and "botted channels", to the point people are getting 1k views and 10k on polls? Where it's so comically bad youtube is forced to address it? Or can they halt it short of that point?
>>15814281And youtube pajeet coders are incompetent.
>>15814252So would Kanata have 40k viewers now?
>>15814281Those are moved automatically. Then 90% of the raid fucks off. It's almost the opposite.
>>15814268I'm gonna kneel to him just this one time for giving us these horribly out of context tweet
>>15814296Definitely seems possible. Don't follow numbers consistently but haven't the live viewers steadily fallen since early December?
>>15814296Maybe, the peaks are getting lower and lower with each passing day, so the self learning IA is making a mess
>>15814296Unironically accelerating and getting to this point is the ONLY way Youtube would even notice this problem.I WANT that 100CCV peko stream, just to see the sheer chaos of it and what that would do to Youtube and the /nothere/ holo community.
>Gen3+ Gen4 + Gen5 off-collab not even hit 10k in 25 minsLet's fucking gooooooo!!!
>>15814320She had 20k waiting so seems likely. 30k at the very least.
So any ideas on why this is being done?Are some types of viewers like people who are tabbed out or swapping channels not as helpful for advertisers so they decided not to count them?
>>15814342Guaranteed that at that point Pekora will open a stream on Twitch and stream there instead.
Numbers are funny to me now, all I can do is laugh now.
>>15814357Probably runaway code that someone pushed into production that got forgotten about over the holidays. Someone probably changed how the ad views were counted not realizing the ccv counts call on the same metric perhaps.
>>15814357The algorithm can't differentiate bots and fanatic fans because they behave very similar
>>15814296https://blog.youtube/inside-youtube/innovation-series-gaming/Look how proud they are.
>>15814326Raids from one vtuber to another might actually hold onto a higher percentage of raid viewers than normal streams tend to do. Which may actually be an underrated tool for twitch vtubers. It could possibly be even higher for Holo vtubers if they were hypothetically on Twitch.
>>15814357>set some conditions to flag bots>those conditions are met in vtuber streams>having the same behavior as previously flagged bots gets you flagged too>things snowball
Meanwhile>Shiro hit 2.5k.LIVE CHADS LETS FUCKING GO THE INCLINE IS COMING
>>15814343>ISRAELWtf?
>>15814399>the illegal view funneling becomes legal
10k get, halfway to weaiting room number
>>15814296That is actually the ideal case.If it's halted to where it is NOW, it's BAD BAD, because CCV is fucked, but not so bad that it's at "can't be ignored by outsiders" state.If you get 1k viewership, 10k polls in 2 minutes and have chat that moves like you have 15k viewers?Oh man as a tech journo I'd be firing up my word doc and calling up people ASAP for a juicy expose. I even have a title for it "Youtube Livestreaming is FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN"or some other clickbaity as shit title that's sure to get normies and others to react to it.
>>15814357All those people still count for VODs, which is what advertisers actually pay on.
>>15814320It's possible. She has 18k waiting room
10K get. Fuck this is such a sad timeline we are in numberbros.
>>15814412So Gura got 13k earlier on DBD and she probably wasn't even close to 30k, but this definitely is at least 30k and can barely make it to 12k before it ends. The cull is getting worse bros, much worse.
>>15814343Kanata's debuff is too strong
>>15814320Laplus alone is worth 20k viewers pre-cull so yes. It should be a 40k waiting room for Luna
DO A FUCKING POLL KANATA
While the 'user accounts flagged as spam and not counting for CCV' theory has the most support, it doesn't explain a couple phenomena that people have noticed. Namely the incredibly slow verification rate (updates being in low double digit numbers even with large waiting rooms) or the far more smooth curves compared to the spiky behavior you'd expect with streams like DBD.
https://twitter.com/ui_shig/status/1478292273750482944if Ui doesn't 10k+, then there's even more evidence for us
>>15814425Not every VOD view is worth the same. Some VOD views are not monetized but still counted as VOD view
>>15814357>Advertisers ask what YouTube is doing to make sure that the live viewers numbers are not inflated>"Uhh I guess we don't do much actually, I'll make a ticket">Ticket is picked up years later>Implementation done, testing it is impossible though so it's just deployed to production>Dev gets good marks on their review for implementing a "groundbreaking algorithm" for detecting bot accounts.>They fuck off to some other FAANG that poaches them with even more than their current 200k per year salaryHere's how it happened
>>15814441Oh yes, please get worse.Unironically, ACCELERATE.
>>15814343>Gen5anon...do your number reps
>>15814480Not faang anymore its now manga
>>15814397>Look at how successful these features are with our creatorsnigga, Holos and Nijis run this shit to the ground, there's not even a contest>she (Valkyrae) stressed the importance of having a Subscriber-only Chat feature to better the Live Chat experience for both her and her fans.nigga this feature was non-existent and chinks could spam 10 messages per second on holos chat, hell, Valk's chat is fucking slow, actually 1 message every 5 seconds, why would she need that feature?>Other creator feedback helped develop Clips, a feature that lets viewers share the best moments from their favorite creators’ live streamsliterally the worst implemented new feature, I have NEVER seen anyone use it, neither I have ever recieved a "dude, look at this clip", the only time I saw it being used was on the thing that they asked on twitter to do clips from Gura and Kuzuha
>>15814441Gura has 13k on her waiting room
>>15814425which doesn't make sense since the changes were supposed to counteract bots. so CCV is decreased but every other metric stays the same
>>15814441eh maybe.. It might also just be that the viewers of the collab are unironically more overlap viewers. I.e. watches multiple holos back to back during a day of streaming, making it more likely they are flagged as a bot by youtube's pajeet code. It's well known Chumbuds only watch gura, so the same would not apply to them.
>>15814441Gura's last DBD was 17k, today's 13k should be just another 15k~20k Gura's stream as usual without the 2nd cull.
Youtube need to re-do account verification for all users starting from now. Need to get rid of this bot flag from our account
>>15814407I KNEEL DOLPHIN
>>15814576Lol, not gonna happen.
>>15814529Their livestreaming management doesn't give a shit about anything that doesn't overlap with the Western Twitch audience, never has. They're focused on fighting Twitch by becoming them (only in all the wrong ways though) instead of capitalizing on what they already have.
>>15814201>Miko OshiLel here's something for you>Mikkorone part 1>2.2M views>823 chats per minute>35k avg/48k peak>Mikkorone part 2>2.2M views>1244 chats per minute>22k avg/28k peakWith those vod views both would've easily gotten >60k+ averages pre Desember 2021 cull.Which means Miko potentially lost about 450k watch hours, that is about half of what she had racked throughout December.All those preps she did sacrificing lots of rest and stream time in December, only to net watch hours less than some FBK fishing sessions that are half the length she streamed
>>15814022I think the more people in the waiting room the more cut
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE BIGGEST STREAMING PLATFORM IN THE WORLD!
>>15814628Imagine if this shit happened when Pekora was grinding hours watched to try and get to #1 on the Stream Hatchet rankings
>losing viewers alreadyit's fucking OVER
>>15814708sweet jesus save us.
>Collab with Rushia, Kanata, Laplus, Iroha and Chloe couldn't get 11kNumberbros
>>15814708At least they hit 10k
I thought Gura's number was low but this collab is even lower lmao
>>15814739
>>15814739what was last year's number? I need to see it to cope...
>>15814754As a self professed 'enfag', this is absolutely ridiculous. a 6 man off-collab in NO way should be beaten by 'just another dbd stream'.
>>15814739luna hime.... im losing hope
If Youtube don't like what the live viewer counter is saying why don't they simply use the same approach they used with dislikes and make it invisible
>>15814708There are more accounts being marked as bots with each passing minute. I feel sorry for Luna's live...
>>15814793because they need to showcase the success of the streamers they buy from twitch and twitch doesn't have a VOD watching culture so everything they have is CCV
>>15814628Yep, that is a damn shame. We won't be seeing anymore Hololive members on the most watched streamer list if this keeps up. But perhaps that was the entire point of the culls. Can't have the anime women mogging that list after all.
>>15814739Strongest SC earner + Strongest gen 4 + top 3 gen 6 collab
>>15814754I'd Imagine Gura has actually consistently mogged JP in live viewers for the past year, and the higher vod views were the actual metric we should've been looking at all along.
>Viewcount slowly creeps up to 10,950>Gets culled back down to 10,890This is so fucking lame
>>1581476530kGuests: Suisei, FBK, Choco, Noel, Coco, Towa
>>15814765https://holo.poi.cat/stream/OIn-9KcsbHI
>>15814851It hit the cap!!Reminds me of Miko's segment of the 24 hour stream. It hit 25k and then stayed there for over an hour without fluctuating too much. Really bizarre.
>>15814826Pekora can still get top 5 even with this cull. Actually with the current state of things I'd be surprised if she didn't. If things get worse then it might be a problem.
>>15814754>>15814739AIIIEEE SAVE US PEKORA
>>15814826if it is actually consistently targeting vtubers and nobody else then you have a great angle for making normies mad about it:>Youtube is engaging in targeted discrimination against women and Asians
El ma oQuick Kanata call your neighbour to increase the number!
>11k getEvery extra 1k feels like an achievement now.
Well seeing as this culling situation isn't going to be fixed we better start saying hello to the new face of Vtubers for the future.
Cam on Kanata! MAKE A FAKKIN POLL
>>15814872In all fairness, those are some way bigger name holos
>>15814931Until that actually happens, you'd best not bring it up since you'll just get dismissed as someone with an agenda.
Could hachama dropping to 3-4K streamer before anyone else be because her fanbase are a bunch of spammy schizos. Besides one 67k just chatting stream, her vod views stayed healthy.
Just have to ask but is there really no one here who works at youtube?
>>15814930Doubt it. The reason why pekora is in that list is because she have an ccv lead over other female streamer.
>>15814941Unironically that advice would work because zhang bots will boost numbers better than regular simps
this is it, our chance, if kuzuha gets a really shitty number we are up to a fujo uprising against YT
>>15814839Probably something like that. I imagine Gura's "real" number was something close to what Pekora was getting, seeing as they have very similar ending VODs. This is before including the extend VOD gain Gura always gets which are people that obviously weren't watching live. This change seems to have brought EN and JP into rough parity as far as how bad they're getting culled, JP just got to dodge the bullet for an extra year.
>>15814951We all know fake numbers mean nothing now
>>15814994You need to have the bots operating at the start of the stream though.
>>15814967lol no
>>15814972Still SEAnigger hours. The thread needs fat west coast burgers
>>15814994Well she has another neighbour
>>15815011Fujos-sama...save us from Susan...
>>15814930No she can't. It's hours watched which is average CCV multiplied by hours streamed. There's no way to make the top 5 if your average is only 15k, which is looking like it will be for Pekora in an absolutely best case scenario. Miko had 18k average CCV and still missed out on top 5 in Q4.Unless Pekora starts doing 8 hour endurance streams every single day it's over. She has no way to actually get the CCV needed to make the list.Just another reason accurate CCV actually does matter, awards like this hinge on it.
>>15814972statistically speaking, there should be, most of their engineers are awake
>>15815011Kuzuha please get 5k...
>>15815011Anon, Kanae got his lowest number ever yesterday.>2.6kHis second last before that was 4k, and his lowest valorant on Youtube, 5kKuzuha will add another datapoint (and shock value)
>>15815011I will kneel to Kuzuha eternally if he saves us from the Youtube menace. Number bros, now is the time. We must united. Give the KING your power!
Pekora is going to "take a break" today or do Twitch isn't she?
>>15814972I remember someone who claims he does in the YouTube subreddit, maybe you can find some there.
>>15815011> imagine a sub 2k Kuzuha stream
>>15814739You are aware that youtube is fucked up with live viewership right? I'm pretty sure it doesn't count viewers that were in the waiting room and there were 13k viewers there.
>2.5k waitingIt's over
>>15815105Even if it was required to save my life I would never watch Kuzushit.
>>15815081kek
>>15815123has he ever gotten a CCV that low?
>>15815105pretty sure my bot behavior is so shitty that I would take numbers away watching him
>>15815059I've been telling you retards their calculated "watched-hours" doesn't mean shit, they must have 2x to 4x those numbers when checking their channel analytics
>>15815138Yes I am aware. I'm lamenting it.
chihiro seems unaffected just like fubukiDo you think the suscribe moide only has anything to do with?Any other holo uses it right now?
>>15815168We've seen the channel analytics and they report the exact same number as what we see. Channel owners get no special insight into the cull.
Luna 3D might even be under 1k...
>>15815106She will only stream big event now because she's a numberfag
>>15815195>just like fubuki
>>15815081Pajeet code is a meme by autists from /g/ that can't pass behavioural interview questions. There's a literal industry built around former big tech devs teaching others how to pass interviews for the top companies, that's how much harder it is to get in.
>>15815195Make it hard to spam posts?
>1.3k viewersNOOO LUNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>15815212Won't be surprised if she is browsing the jp numberfag threads at the moment.
I genuinely don't think this will break 12k, I want nothing more than to be proven wrong and laughed at
>>15815106She's definitely noticed the fuckery going on by now and is negotiating to stream on Twitch until it's fixed as we speak
>>15814974>>15815059Check the stats retards. Saddummy is weak. Pekora is top 2 because her CCV is way above, but even nerfed CCV she can get top 5. A 14k average CCV last 30 days would still give her a decent shot at top 5 as long as she streamed enough.
>>15815206Just barely above, I fucking hate Susan
>>15815197retardchama, channel owners can see their real watched-hours, which includes those filtered by spamviewers + vod watchers
>>15815146the fact that this is even within the realm of possibility is a testament to just how much of a bitch Susan is
>>15815195Chihiro is affected though. She usually gets more than this for Apex
>Kuzuha's CCV actually went UP from the waiting roomWhat the fuuuuuuuck
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the recovery rate is the same as Kanatan streamfuuuuuccckkkkkkkkk
Kuzuha waiting room: 4k, culled immediately to 2k
>Kuzuha doing faster than Lunait's over, this will never get fixed
HIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>15815290He has a lot of viewers that only watch him and thus don't get flagged
I checked chihiro's graphs but she doesn't have the waiting room cull. Does she put up a waiting room? Any nijifans can enlighten us?
>>15815266No they can't, we've seen Ludwigs and his watched hours is exactly the same as the ones calculated by external sites. Channel owners do not get to see what percentage of their viewers are culled, there would be no need for the Holos to be polling their audience if they could.
HOLOS WILL NOT GET 20K STREAM TODAYHAHAHAHAHAAHA
No no, Luna is going to hit 20k at least. This looks doable. It will be ok. Look at how steep the curve is.
Losing to a shill stream hahahahaha
>>15813385>check wikipedia>signals intelligence, Gaza, Egypt, USSR, communications interceptions, multiple plausible motiveswe really do live in a bass boosted GOTYE loreyoutube.com/watch?v=WfJ-GKg2ebE
>>15815297>>15815305He's recovering alright, but look at the shape of the cull. He'll likely stall at some point
Hime...happy anniversary....
what was luna's waiting room?
>>15815345yep, and this was confirmed by their twitter account, someone asked them exactly this, there's no way to know "how many spam viewers" you have
>>15815362Cope:(
even the usual niji shitpost doesn't feel the same anymore...
>Anniversary 3D live starts at 5kIt's over
He recovered his waiting room number quickly
>>15815370You can see it turning assymptotically to 6k, 7k
>>15815395Kuzuha would have likely beaten Luna anyway, but the fact that neither of them have 10k is absurd
Can't believe they're doing my girl Luna-Hime like this. They've gone to far...
>>15815345lol show your numbers seaschizo
>>158153809706 according to holostats
>>15815287https://vrabi.ml/channel/UCLO9QDxVL4bnvRRsz6K4bsQHer number looks normal for me
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THIS FUCKING GRAPHSit's literally parallel lines
Come on Luna!!! BEAT THE FAGGOT!!!!
>the combined might of Rushia, Kanata, Laplus, Noel, Iroha and Chloe could not beat Gura playing DbDThis has to be some proof that the stronger a sololiver you are the less the cull hits you. Gura and Pekora have taken a hit but they weren't literally slaughtered.
>>15815370That pattern is worrying. He won't be able to get past 10k
Rrat: clicking on that namibia stream automatically flags you as bot.
>>15815266There are screenshots from 3 different YT streamers posted in past threads that show their YT creator page, none of them shows ccvs that are different from the ccv reported on the video page or public API.Watch hours metric has always been non-public, none of the market analyst publishers use that data for that exact reason. That's why they use avg ccv to begin with
>Luna can't beat the KING streaming fucking League of LegendsKING I KNEELEVERYONE KNEEL
>>15815445NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALETS FUCKING GOOOOOO
I'm going to fucking murder Susan for what she did to my hime.This isn't a threat, this is a promise.Tell the FBI
Are we really gonna get 14k nijinoon for Gold?
>>15815345watched-hours don't show the percentage of the viewers who are getting culled, seamonkey, they simply show the full unfiltered number, just like vod views do.
>>15815420Face it, the age of the Holobots is over. The chink buff has been wiped out and this skeleton is all that remains.
>>15815445Bros we fighting about who can get to 6k first at this point.....
>>15815447The actual numbers were probably between 30-40k for both. I actually do believe that Gura could beat that collab by herself, but 10k for a 6 member off-collab is absolutely way off.
>>15815490yeaaa baby!!!
>watching the viewcount attempt to catch up to the likesneat
>>15815495Watched hours depend on CCV which is exactly the same as what is reported to us. See >>15815382
>>15815447>collab beggars get flagged as botspottery
>>15815490Gold is not a thing anymore, this thread is just for shitting on Susan
>the cull is so bad the thread is becoming a midgetfight general
>>15815490>14k gold
>>15815490Why not Kanata's 18k waiting room numbers?
If the start of december was positive numberrot, I'm pretty sure what we're experiencing right now is a negative numberrot. Both equally bad.
>>15815490Kanata got 18k >waiting room numbers....
>>15815471ccv is filtered, watched-hours + vod views are not. You cant correlate them to get %s you moron
>>15815490No. I refuse.
>>15815490the wait room is recorded as the peak, CCV is fucking USELESS >>15815540>>15815549
last month 30k easy get...now 5k easy get....
>>15815490vrabi got kanatach's waiting room number
>>15815533And I unironically believe it's getting worse, in a matter of days we will have all the mid tier holos at sub 1k
>>15815524Fucking dumbass, Stream Hatchet's watched-hours depend on the public ccv as they do ccv*time, the private channel owner's one do not
>>15815490ahem
>king losing numbersnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>15815566>now 5k easy get>easyI don't know about this part with every passing day...
>>15815565>>15815567is this the first time ever that waiting room is gonna get gold? top kek
>slowed at 7.5k SUSAAAAAAAANN
I wish I could just not care but I'm worried about the 2views and the less popular holos/nijis
Hime kino sub 10k... SUSSAAAAN
>>15815621holy shit, imagine
>>15815557vod views is also filtered anon
>>15815548From such highs to this low....
I'm just gonna watch my oshi using incognito from now on. This is pitiful.
>>15815625"unpopular" holos/nijis will be fine since they're in a corporation at the end of the day. but the 2views need people's savings...
My beautiful Luna is pulling away!! GO LUNA GO FIGHT FIGHT!!!
>>15815641No need to imagine, it's going to happen
>>15815595The private channel owners CCV is reported exactly the same as the public CCV. This has been pointed out several times to you. There is no super secret unculled CCV that channel owners get to see and thus watch hours are calculated off what you see. This has been confirmed why are you being so retardedly stubborn over something you're clearly wrong about
any know the jp bros status?no way they are ok with the numbers
It's inclining. Should get to 10k. Wait why the fuck do I have to get excited about 10k... fuck this shit.
>>15815625This. I’m worried my oshi isn’t gonna be able to reach 1k anymore
>>15815621
>>15815644youre just a baiting for yous at this point>>15815220
>>15815666time to check the nest, this should be fun.
>>15815567Oh, so that stream did get higher than 14k. Phew, I thought Niji shit was going to snipe the day. Thank god for Kanata.
Won't advertisers start to think twice if they think that suddenly everyone lost up to 70% of their viewers?
>>15815666They have been spamming YouTube's twitter to no avail, they are getting hopeless
>>15815656Princess beat King? King :(
>>15815595Read the reply chain retard, what is relevant here IS the stream hatchet numbers, however fucked the number actually is.Because that's what will crate free PR headlines and consequently more chances of high value sponsors, projects, and collabs
>>15815695source?
>>15815709https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube
>>15815661im not talking about the ccv graphs moron, the private channel analytics also gives them the real watched-hours
>>15815666are jp nijifags still in denial or are they shitposters like the ones we have here?
>>15814479Yeah that's sort of the thing, youtube culling ccvs does absolutely nothing other than piss people off. It doesn't affect their bottom line because they don't get paid by ccv
>>15815604get out dung beetle.
Deron
>>15815733luna is getting so many views that vods are taking time htat is "normal" behavior that has been happening since almost july.
>>15815604One of these days "Veibae/Nyanners/Ironmouse takes Gold for the day" will be a factual sentence if this situation doesn't get fixed. That's gonna be terrifying.
>No Miko and Pekora frame yet despite the prospect of birthday funnelThese two are probably the quickest one to notice.
>>15815733>9.7k ccv>12k likes in 15 minutes
>>15815730there is literally only pajeets and muds in the replies, lol
>>15815733>12k likes>8800 total viewsWE'RE REACHING ENGAGEMENT LEVELS NO OTHER PLATFORM CAN MATCH
>>15815566Of the 21 solo/split POV collab Hololive streams today, 2 (TWO) hit 5k.
>>15815733verifying foreign viewers hard, pls andastand
Holo 3D at 10kKuzuha at 8k>we're pitting who'll beat the 14k and 18k golds I'm gonna cry
>>15815690I mean, why would you ask holos for sponsored streams when Gura can't even pull a mid tier twitch steamer's numbers now?
>>15815733kek now the nijisisters will believe the cull is real
>>15815737There are 2 kind of nijifags, the 1st one don't care about numbers at all, the 2nd are happy as long as they beat holo, even at the cost of their own vtubers.
>>15815765notice what?
>>15815733>views are culled tooiS THERE ANY DATA THAT ARE ACTUALLY ACCURATE?!?!JESUS CHRIST YOUTUBE
>>15815734No it doesn't retard otherwise the watched hours would have a massive fucking disparity with what Youtube is reporting as the average CCV and it would make their entire analytics worthless. Youtube gives the exact same CCV numbers to the channel creator and calculates watched hours off that reported CCV, period. I'm not replying to your retardation any more.
>>15815765At this point birthday funnel gets you worse numbers
>>15814972Why would they be browsing here? And even if by chance any of them do, they wouldn't be in a position to do anything about this anyways.
>>15815734>real watched-hoursWatch time in their Youtube Creator charts mean the VOD watch time plus the Live watch time, not just the live one.Youtube does not acknowledge "live watching" as something separated from VOD watching for the most part, it all gets mashed up as "views" and it's the reason they say >your views and watch time will not be affectedwhen they say CCV being fucked up is of no concern.
>>15815625Those 2views and low-ranking agency vtubers will be making most of their money from memberships and superchats and they're basically the one thing Susan can't fuck withThe only people getting screwed here are (a) numberfags and (b) people who depend on ads or impressing sponsors with big numbers for most of their channel revenue
>>15815764Surely numberfags aren't actually bad enough at numbers to compare 2 platforms that have entirely different methods to calculate views right?
>>15815785Spoiler: neither of them will.
>>15815738It affects some sponsored streams where payout can be partially based on ccv
Is it possible that Laplus and Pekora are avoiding to stream (non-event) due to shit numbers
>>15815824You wish
>>15815770well, they decided that having one account was enough to solve the necessities of the whole world, don't blame me and scroll
>>15815826wait let me boot up my rice cooker anon.
>https://vrabi.ml/video/P3TVNnwtvn8The cap is 8k for this stream
THE BOX IS FINALLY DESTROYED!NOW EVERYONE IS ON EVEN GROUND AND FEND FOR THEMSELVES!!BASED SUSAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alright who's making the post on the subreddit tonight?
10k GET LUNA!!!!
>>15815795superchatsPLEASE DONATE TO YOUR OSHI MORE!
>>15815733Tourists click like and then leave the video. Their CCV isn't earned.
FUCK SUSAN
>>15815839Yes, since they are the real numberfag kek
>>15815813The only bad loss here is that vtubers won't ever rank past twitch streamers anymore. YT fucked their own streamers out of rankings and prestige. Streamers are still doing fine financially. Viewers would still enjoy the same content.
holy shit with the numbers change are the nijis in single digits now? how is nijien doing?
>>15815865You have no idea how much I want to strangle you
TOP FUCKING KEK>THAT MATRIX DODGE AT 8KThe CCV noped out of 8k as if it was made of molten lead
>>15815625My 3view oshi is now a 2view when she never gone down to 2 digits in long time...
>>15815839>intentionally ruined her outfit reveal>hasn't stream on her channel since despite appearing on other streams everyday>stream on twitch 3 days in a rowYou might be onto something
The top 2 streams right now both belong to Nijisanji GAMERS!!!! What a powerful group!!!!
>>15815865is it even fun to post the same retarded take several times a day?
>>15815839and Miko, she hasn't done a normal stream. The last one was Mikorone.
akb song huh hololive will get there soon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz0uBl7FW0M
I bet Sana feeling better now that her numbers doesn't seem that bad anymore compared to other holos now
>>15815886Nijien is one of the few groups that was almost untouched. Some streamers like Jun (JP) also weren't touched while Ludwig (western) was.I'm failing to find any pattern to this whole thing.
it's over bros...
>>15815886>how is nijien doingtheir usual number, funnily enough they're the only one that not really affected by these cull except reimu, idk how to explain her current numbers
>Kanata 3D~40k>Watame 3D~30k>Towa 3D~20k>Luna 3D~10kWho's next?
>>15815839>LaplusShe has a schedule
>>15815955Easy to explain: fujos don't watch other VTubers
>>15815955Isn't rosemi suffering from awful room recovery since december?
>>15815908>stream on twitch 3 days in a rowLaplus streamed on twitch??At this point its pretty much blatant that she doesn't want to see her low numbers
>>15815963literally me, 0k
so... btw ninji and holo there is only 30k watching vtubers?
>>15815886>how is nijien doing?Males literally unaffected, looks like Susan is thirsting for the fuckers because she just made them upper mid tier vtubers.
>>15815955>idk how to explain her current numbersTheir audience shares little to no overlap with NijiJP?
>>15815966>holiday>streams (twice if you count her roommate on twitch)Good girl
>>15815898I cannot imagine that a bot is going to come out of the screen and strangle anyone.>>15815923Watching the seethe is hilarious, the cope is endless.
>>15815886Nijien for the most part is unaffected specially the males.
>>15815810>VOD watch time plus the Live watch timeyes, that's exactly what watch-time means, the full number. Not just calculate the "live" part and then call it the total, like hatchet does. Anyways yes, they cant correlate ccv with watch-time because it includes everybody accepted as a vod viewer, be them live, live but culled (counts as vod watcher verified later) or actual late vod watcher.
>>15815955I follow rosemi and elira and they're definitely getting affected.
>>15815955I think Reimu is just that unpopular
>>15815966this brat feels so different compared to the other hololive members https://youtu.be/udjnzcuR0a4
>>15815985Her roommate
>>15815985Roommate.
>>15815985her roommate did, she keeps playing at midnight
11K get
>>15815943Sana was actually underestimated all alongI Kneel!
>>15815733>views are culled toototal views are not culled, they just process slower for more suspicious (smaller) channels
>>15815987how do I save you?
>>15816014How so? I thought their numbers were normal, but I guess I don’t watch them as much
>>15815996>>15815886I think it's because they're too new?>they debuted a week before the number decline right?
3D lives sure seem to be a lot more fucked over than normal streams
I just want to go back to last year....
>>15815963Sora's and Aqua's sololive.
>>15815908I'm pretty sure her stream yesterday was the only roommate stream this year. But who knows I might've been asleep and missed them.
>>15816061Not compared to recent rpevious streams and also taking far long to get their waiting room back.
>>15815948whos that
>>15816058don't save me, REVERSE THE SPELL! I offer myself as a sacrifice!
>>15815987I still love you, bitch
>>15816019>>15816022>>15816024Ohhhh, I feel a bit dumb nowGood on her I guess
>>15816088she ruined my sleep schedule 2 days in a row, that I can remember
>>15816088tracker is your friendhttps://twitchtracker.com/nakaokadesu
>>15816083Those are not going to be on YouTubeAlthough they might do one of those free previews for a bit
>>15816017In a good way or bad way? Btw that video is cringe af
>Pekora announces she is taking a break todayKek, she is too busy browsing the numberthreads to understand what is going on.
If any of the Holo EN members are here reading this, please tell Towa to take a poll during the Mario Kart tournament stream so we can get the most ridiculous number discrepancies possible
>>15816124There will be free part on Youtube just like Suisei and Watame.
>>15816100the nip that was complaining non-stop
>>15816119MOOOOODDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>15815948https://twitter.com/youtubelivebugLooks fine to me
>>15816127sasuga number rabbit
Pekora says fuck this shit, I'm outhttps://twitter.com/usadapekora/status/1478326034303172609
https://twitter.com/usadapekora/status/1478326034303172609>The simultaneous viewers forecast is bad peko, so I'm taking a break today!!What did she mean by this
>>15816119>pink hair menheraoh no
>>15816126I think it's a good thing that she's different than the rest of the members. she has the potential to attract tourists and bring said tourists into the holo ecosystem.
No Pekora stream today? I wanna see her numbers on a normal JRPG or Minecraft>her normal JRPG can get 18k-26k before (30k+ if its an ending of a long running series)>her Minecraft can get 24k-40k
I hope one if you is recording the chat, it was stupidly fast
>>15816147damn, that was quick, I see it again
>>15816119>1k viewersJesas
>>15816022Is she cute?
>>15816127Peko gathering nousagi rabillas to storm Youtube Japan right now
>>15816119The fucking number increases ahaha. Hilarious.
>>15816127SAVE US PEKORA. With all the money she makes, she could easily hire a full team to prove youtube's fickery if she really had the balls
>>15815943>her numbers doesn't seem that bad anymoreRrat: Sana’s dog works at google
>>15816119Spot when she debuted as Laplus
>>15816180>her minecraft can get 40kFucking laughing my ass off, Peko-chan. Don't make me cull some subscribers just for the insult factor.t.Susan
>>15816164>>15816162Unironically the smartest move she could do at the moment, considering how shit the huge collab and birthday stream numbers were.Also I'll bet my balls Flare will do a poll later in her stream, its not a coincidence that Flare is the only 3rd gen streaming tonight with a throwaway content.
at least this thread is finally usable for discussion and civil once again...
If this culling continues and worsens, I think Cover's response is to setup a means for fans to do SC's that doesn't use Youtube's system. I'd imagine that would get some attention if suddenly they don't start getting their 30% slice of the lucrative Vtuber pie.
>>15816218IF this is intentional then it's no use since Youtube is a multi-billion company.BUT if this is just a bug then Pekora can get this fixed with this method but she need more allies
>bots can vote polls tooWhy would you ever bot a fucking YT poll
Here is Kuzuha past Valorant numbers>15758 :: 2021-12-15 :: 【 Valorant 】 一日0.1mg強くなるヴァロ part4 【 ランク 】>14233 :: 2021-12-14 :: 【 Valorant 】 一日0.1mg強くなるヴァロ part3 【 ランク 】>11907 :: 2021-12-14 :: 【 Valorant 】 一日0.1mg強くなるヴァロ part2 【 ランク 】>17464 :: 2021-12-11 :: 【 Valorant 】 一日0.1mg強くなるヴァロ 【 ランク 】>10408 :: 2021-12-06 :: 【 Valorant 】 暇をすりつぶす 【 スマブラ 】>22236 :: 2021-11-25 :: 【 Valorant 】 チームBに全ベット【 じゃすぱー3叶わいわい3うぉっか3 】>17480 :: 2021-11-24 :: 【 Valorant 】 チームB作戦会議【 じゃすぱー3叶わいわい3うぉっか3 】>12837 :: 2021-11-24 :: 【 Valorant 】 リハビリヴァロ【 ランク 】>17554 :: 2021-10-28 :: 【 Valorant 】 ガチでプラチナ目指す 【 ランク】>10622 :: 2021-10-26 :: 【 Valorant 】 プラチナ行ってみてえ 【 ランク 】Today it does not look like he'll be beating 10k.
>>15816229>Sana’s dead dog worked at google. Let's go!!!~
>>15816288Pushing talents to create Twitch accounts is more likely.
So what's gonna actually be some consequences from the result of the culling?I'm assuming ad revenue is still normal but the lower numbers might make their discoverabilty harder? Also probably reduces the chance of sponsors.
Am I the only one complaining to @TeamYoutube here?If enough people retweet and shit their feeds with reports and complains we might get responses like thishttps://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1337662177499607041
>>15816164>>15816162Go. To. Twitch. I don't want to replace youtube but at least show there is a complete collapse in number tracking and not numbers. Your investors and sponsors are watching this shit and may not be as plugged in as mentally ill fags on a basket weaving forum.
>>15816288You laughed at yagoo's metaverse projectWho's laughing now?
>>15816309Still, that's not anywhere as bad as I thought he'd do. I was predicting he wouldn't reach 5k at one point. Looks like Tokyo Ghoul got off lightly with only a 30% cull so far
>>15816309If it confirms that he doesn't beat 10k it will be only the second time he fails to do so on Mado's record (since Jul 17), with the other one being>his Christmas stream
>>15816309that is league not valorant
>>15816288>I'd imagine that would get some attention if suddenly they don't start getting their 30% slice of the lucrative Vtuber pie.that revenue is nothing to Youtube. I still think the only way for Youtube to look into it is if Ludwig somehow reacts to vtuber and noticed Nene's fucked CCV and poll numbers
Yagoo, please pause the game development and develop your in house streaming service... Yes, it would be a losing prospect income wise, but at least you would have control over your own destiny, not getting fucked in the ass by Susan.
>>15816333The biggest consequence is the psychological hit to the holos (and numberfags).
>>15816326I can't see this happening despite how good it would be for EN. Twitch isn't as large in Japan and it's still a Japanese company.
>>15816372So how the hell are YouTube profiting off of livestreaming?Are they just hoping that it'll somehow pay off in the future?
>>15816340Oh I didn't laugh at that, I'm actually hyped for when they open beta applications.
>>15816336That seems like they're actually taking it seriously now. Thank you JP nikis for spamming them with mentions. If only that happened a year ago, but I guess it was not as clear back then with less chuubas affected.
>>15816303Because fuck you that's whyJust accept that VShojo are the numbers queens from this point on
>>15816385It also has an effect for sponsors. Corporate suits don't see nuance, number going down a lot is enough to scare them away regardless of what the reason is for it
>>15816336>Didn't see the date of the tweet until after I read itFor a second there I felt a bit of hope...
>>15816288People shit on NFTs, but glorified SCs are unironically the best application of NFT>unique and non-fungible>public and programmable>transaction system that works in any currency>no payment processor jewery>doesn't pay YT a third of it's value
>>15816333Low numbers attract low numbers, people are gonna see Holos pulling shit numbers and avoid them
>>15816363Oh, you're right!Here is his last LOL streamhttps://vrabi.ml/video/vhe4ZAOYXccHe beat his current number in the first 8 minutes
>>15816336They've already given you the blanket statement no? It's an intended change, they activly want to target the channels that have a certain type of viewer.
>>15816162Pekora doesn't want to ruin her 2022 median
>>15816394They wouldn't have to move there permanently, just do one stream a week on Twitch so they have a big number they can point at
>>15816429They respond for the sake of PR like most companies do. That doesn't mean the problem will be guaranteed to be solved. Plenty of large YouTubers have caught the attention of YouTube for certain problems and YouTube did jack shit.
>>15816442>CCV went down>but VOD views went uphow will corporate suits view this?
>>15816452But...you still need an actual payment processor to transfer the cash from one bank account to another.
>>15816429It's an old post anon, they won't be doing shit until you make a Twitter account and bother them about it
Just a thought, but are there any stream from popular franchise like umamusu, fate, imas, etc happening soon? Would be interesting to see if they get affected too.I mean, cover won't be able to do shit, but surely Sony, Kadokawa and the like could do something.
Can anyone make like a short video just documenting all the evidence? All popular twitch streamers do is react to videos (and they have a vested interest to hate on youtube), if you get at least one of those streamers that like always make the front page of /r/livestreamfail to react to a video about youtube's fucked up CCV all of the twitch streamers in that bubble will due to how derivative their react content is, and that will create an actual noticeable buzz around the issue outside of the vtubing community.
>>15816394They already have a process for creating Twitch accounts. Nene asked her manager for one and got a partnered Twitch account for her within a day. Got hundreds of gifted subscriptions too, within the single stream she did where she was just testing stuff out.
>>15816429>>15816499The tweet is from 2020 anons
>>15816501How do they see a movie that flopped at the cinema and had big DVD sales? There's your answer
>>15816362well, he is advertising the LoL stream as playing with viewers too, soo...
Even holoyzer shows luna stream already ended kek
What they need to do is stream at twitch, but open YT stream to remind others to watch them on twitch and become a place to SC. Like, when Ame and Kiara on Digikomi, and Ame opened a stream on YT but it's only a pic of them at digikomi twitch, with a link in description.
>>15816452Anon, there is ZERO benefit on creating a secondary market for something they have a complete control of the supply today.Doing so is a retarded idea and will simply make "shark coin" types of scams more prevalent because the origin of said items will be the real company, that can do shit to prevent secondary market to use their name to sell things.
>>15816517I'm hoping this a joke otherwise you have absolutely no understanding how Twitch culture works.
>>15816553Meanwhile she sings Fansa to her 12k Susan approved viewers.
>>15816551I actually have no idea. does it matter to them if the net revenue is the same if not increased?
Luna hasn't breaked the 15k ....
>>15816517>LSFKek
>>15816615forgive him anon, the lack of numbers are causing brain damage to this thread and making people do stupid shit.
The guy who was doing the hololive music vod views ranking decided to take a break it's truly a sad year for numberfagging
>>15816474Today's stream is a recline, but not enough of recline to raise the alarm bells we need at the moment. Just have to hope the cull continues to accelerate
If there was no cull what would Luna actually be getting?
>>15816657it looks like a "forever" break too
>>15816657It's a one week break, he'll be back next week
>>15816688judging by that like amount, probably around 40-48k range
>>15816668Isn't it bad if the null happens more gradually? Then it may actually make it look like a more natural decline
>>15816688with 20k likesprobably hit 25k-30k minimum
>>15816588There's no need of a secondary market. You buy those NFT to send glorified SC. You can still technically sell it, but only morons would buy it anyway. Or if Cover deploys their own NFT solutions, then maybe they can restrict non-primary transactions
https://twitter.com/sakuramiko35/status/1478330694665641986>Miko Minecraft tonightJust stream it on Twitch, migo...
>>1581668830k+
>>1581668840 to 50k
At least a sub 10k stream doesn't medal.
Arunpapa has 150 viewers...jesas
Holy shit Luna 2nd anniversary 3d live has almost the same peak as Gura's regular dbd wtf
>>15816507Not (as much) if your SC fund is from other forms of crypto
>>15816688In the high 40ks I'd say, though I feel the ceiling would be 50k without a single view more
>>15816713What problem is this actually supposed to solve? In the end you're still just sending money to a different back account.
>>15816688You take the number of likes and multiply it by 2.25 so roughly 50k
>>1581668840k+ I reckon
>>15816688Just multiply holostreams by 4.
>>15816713What benefit does the NFT offer? Why not just set up a donation site, use Paypal or something and transfer the cash directly? Like I said you still need a payment processor to transfer the cash between bank accounts, adding an NFT in the middle seems like a completely pointless step.
>>15816688Didn't Matsuri had 36k?>then Luna also can
I can't look at these numbers anymore, I'm ending it.
>>15816696Nah with the post the channel made in the Youtube community I don't think a week is enough for that
>>15816747>Not (as much) if your SC fund is from other forms of crypto
>>15816761By tomorrow it's gonna be 5, then 6...
>3d stream failed to beat Gura's DbDJesas. Oh Jesas. You laughed at Gura and Pekora's fans not watching other holos. Where are your gods now, box pushers?
>>15816762Maybe Elon Musk can help us with PayPal
>>15816754>2.25The magic number keeps changing every time somebody posts it!
>>15816394There are reasons for twitch not being big in japan, the primary one being that twitch has been dog shit and still is bad on mobile for users in japan. Why? High energy consumption + high band width requirement.
>>15816711Gradually, as in months? Yeah, that could bad. But things have been getter worse on a day to day basis. if a week or two from now Kuzuha streams Apex to an audience of 10-12k no one in their right mind would claim that it's a natural decline.
>>15816434dung beetle, just get out will you, go back to your own containment thread
>shill goods>lose 600 precious viewsAlso it looks like there might only be 4 streams that rank today.
I would laugh if Pekora's birthday stream will be in twitch at this point.
Now all Hololive JP members have at least one oirignal song.
>>15816715The last she does that is when YT servers fucks up.Someone here need to take one for the team and go to YT HQ to fuck the optics.We need those twitch numbers to make a more compelling case bros
13k peak on a Celebration with guests on 3D....FUCK THIS!!! I REALLY HATE THIS!!! I'M LOSING IT!!!
the total view count pretty much gave up huhI swear there is even more messages sent than total views rumao
In brighter news Luna has an original song now, and that means there's not a single Holomem who doesn't have an orisong
>>15816861Would the numberbunny give up her superchat rain for big numbers? I'd kneel if she did
Is it time to accept that any stream over 10k is a breakout success?
>>15816861She'd be with her kind so maybe it's for the best.
These superchat alternatives are nice and all, but one thing that makes superchat so effective is how easy it is to just send one out at the spur of the moment. Every small hurdle you introduce in the process, no matter how small, is going to have a huge impact on the amount of donations.
>>15816808yawn
>>15816894Probably worth the risk, or else the negative halo effect will actually shit her number.
>>15816825I have always used 2.25
>>15816888Ame...
>>1581668840k I guess, 50k upper limit
>>15816896Yes, and that 5k is now the equivalent of 10k