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General numberfag sites>https://playboard.co/en/>http://ikioi-ranking.com/>https://vrabi.ml/>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-rankingHololive sites>https://holo.poi.cat/>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html>https://trackholo.live/en/Nijisanji sites>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly>https://twitter.com/2434rankings>https://twitter.com/2434subscriberTwitch>https://sullygnome.com/>https://twitchtracker.com/>https://stats.roki.sh/Full list athttps://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR
I will literally never complain about numberrot again
Man, the catalogue is an absolute mess. Not that many of us didn't expect this once we saw the numbers go out, and faggots who have no idea wtf is going on are biting like mad.
This seems like a new response
Do you guys remember when this used to be>24k Nijinoon>23k Gura DBDand people would be crying about Holos losing gold to Nijis, while others would be saying "It's alright, Pekora's streaming tonight. Easy 30k."Feels like literally a few weeks ago.
Do you guys track clipping numbers
Bros, why are we leaking so bad? Half the catalogue is swamped in our taint.
>>15801340Anon every fucking thread that's not some kind of general is a bait thread on /vt/.
>>15801418what the fuck manthese numbers are actually depressing the shit out of me
>>15800417>>15800550I only explained underlying context in what was being asked. I don't really have a horse in this race.Also I heavily doubt such a significant proportion of viewership consists of Youtube Premium holders.
>>15801406no, they've used that response before. they don't recognize external tracker data.
>>15801406Of course support would be told to say 'third party tools aren't reliable' even though they've reliably been pulling from the API for years. This shit is here to stay people, unless multiple Hololive members lean on them on Twitter and/or behind the scenes.
>>15801440There is literally only 5 number threads right now.
>>15801340It's effortless bait. And while faggots talk about just watching streams, chuubas stream for numbers. Some of them must be feeling like shit now and fans reflect their oshi.
>>15801418LOL how do we save Gura?
>>15801406Only YouTubers themselves should be talking with @TeamYouTube
>>15801440We've been lousy with shitposters for months anon, its just this latest batch of culls are way too juicy for any of dem faggots to ignore.
>tfw the final yab was youtube culling numbers
>>15801541>Sir, you are not showing us the YT Application numbers>WTF you can't show YT analitic numbers, Sir, you are now BANNED, I'm calling the police *sirens in the background* WE ARE COMING FOR YOU SIR
>>15801552>only
so ccvfags btfo. vod views and watchtime are the new meta now
>>15801440Let them have their mental victory, anon. It's the only way for the to taste anything resembling it
>>15801637how does changing the CCV can't change total views or view time? they are literally coming from the same source
>>15801418It wasn't too long ago when in this Bae/IRyS collab Bae would have like 12k since she started first and IRyS would have around 8k. Take me back.
>>15801253predictable
>>15801637Watchtime is based on CCV.
>>15801418call lastsamuraischizo he's crying
>22k likes >9.8k viewers
Can any real Nijifags provide any plausible reasons why this batch of the Niji noon show is doing so much worse than the last batch?Yesterday's was 16k and it was already the lowest one on record. Today, it managed to "beat" that and peak at 14k.Is it the guests/the content...etc? At least with streamers, it can be game choice or overlap, but there's no reason for a variety show to lose literally 10-20k of it's audience without something drastic happening.
>>15801593Yeah, good luck with that. Holos will never tweet these kinds of shit because Cover is retarded. They prefer to do it behind the scenes like any other retarded jap company. YT is not a jap company, the meta is different. Holos should force them to make an official statement by tweeting it publicly.
>>15801699Youtube would know what the *true*, unadjusted CCV for a stream is, and that value would be different than the one that we the users (and the chuubas) would be provided.
>>15801759I remember the day in December 2020 when the numbers I routinely saw every day I watched a stream suddenly dropped by 1/3rd across the board
>>15801770internal ccv is unaffecteddid they respond to that premium user one on how the watch time is not affected?
>>15801850>that chartNo waiting room cull?
When I sit back and think about it the entire concept that something as niche as virtual anime girls could routinely get tens of thousands of live viewers is kind of ridiculous.Perhaps this is for the better and really is more accurate.
>>15801637I will keep doing the watch time then lolBtw, Gura's stream is at 11.2 min/view which makes me believe that she isn't being culled
zombros... we got too cocky...
>>15801923>more accurateStop coping. YT is really crap. None of what we saw is true numbers ever since last year
>>15801920Nijisanji isn't getting culled. They are just legitimately reclining, lol.
>>15801770That's only the external websites. YouTube tracks watch time internally on a VOD-basis and it's only visible to the channel itself.
>>15801637So if this phenomena is here to stay, we're most likely giving the top positions of most watched female vtuber/content creator to Vshojo right? Those charts are based on avgCCV * Hours streamed.
>>15801970She's 100% being culled, she's never gotten as low as 10k for DbD. This is one of those games she's gotten up to 27k by herself post 2020 cull.
>>15801850Japan's new year holidays ended yesterdayAlthough schools are still on holidays most social slaves are back to their labor today
>>15801418Jesas, that's making me want to open an incognito tab for the nijis
>>15801848>Started streaming 3 hours ago
I hate Susan so fucking much
>Petra almost certainly has 4k real viewers right nowRobbed
>>15802003Kanae, rosemi....
>>15802003now THIS is good bait
>>15801860Coco did tag YouTube directly but that was after months of harassment and she always was the member least willing to take shit lying down.
>>15801637So this is final.
>>15801908>>15802033>internal ccvIrrelevant, unless they actually start sharing that data. Currently, any watchtime chart you see is calculated with publicly available data, i.e. fucked up data.
>>15802081is better than the bait from the past thread, that much i admit, but is still overall bad bait
>>15801848Good job Susan detecting all the viewbots leaving a like.>>15801850
https://reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/rv0cbv/there_is_something_really_wrong_with_how_youtube/
>>15801923I'd believe this rrat if it wasn't for the polls and likes.At this point explaining the CCV vs Polls, Likes and VOD numbers requires that you label the other 3 as bugged or come up with retarded shit like highly trained ninja squads that immediately open a stream to vote and leave.
>>15800240I actually was just coming to postulate something like this. Don't have Youtube Premium, never membered, subscribed to 2 Holos, 2 Nijis, 2 small corpos, never created a channel to comment, usually but not always leave a like. Firefox with Disconnect and DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials on all this time. I tested on some 0views and found out:With adblock and without logging in, it looks like I count for about 10 seconds.Without adblock and without logging in, it looks like I count for about 30 seconds.With or without adblock, but logged in, I count as a viewer. Tabbing out doesn't seem to affect anything, but I didn't test yet with multiple videos playing (because I don't do that myself).While counted as a viewer when logged in, I noticed that there was a "waiting room cull" happening even on those 0 view streams all of which had been going on when I joined. For a nature cam that had been going on since the 1st of November, the issue was solved within a minute. But for a game stream that had started a couple of minutes prior, it seemed to take longer, but I couldn't be sure, because there might have been some others joining to watch as there were some random bumps; on a stream that had gone on for 13 hours the cull time seemed closer to the nature cam. However, I realized this just now and should be going to sleep so I wasn't able to investigate it properly. It would make sense if bigger streams take more time to process, but also longer streams already have been through the viewers or else are already in the database somehow that I'm too tired to figure out. It could also be that I got culled when I wasn't logged in, and was just too impatient as I somehow didn't think of this possibility. I'm also tired and maybe spewing shit, but for what it's worth if someone wants to pursue this thread while I sleep.
>>15801873Yea. It'd be the one used for things like premium payouts etc. If this is deliberate and not soleone's stupid pet project gone awry, then the main motivation would be to reduce the appearance of how preveleant Chubbas are on the platform without actually affect the real metrics. Unfortunately this would STILL fuck with some of the so it's not great.
>>15801850The lineup is super weak and most people are not on new years holiday anymore
>>15801785That retard was strutting around claiming that EN already had it's cull in 2020 so they'd be immune to this one. Nice to see he got BTFO
>>15802144Go back.
>>15801860Big youtubers and corporations have managers so they don't need to use Twitter
>>15802040anon, she gets 17k on her most recent solo dbd streams
>>15801850Leos and maybe Ars is the only one who would attract viewers in this episode. No one cares about the other ones
noon show numbers.
>>15802211>>15802175Only is getting 2k less than Lize and Kenmochi from yesterday.
>>15801699I wouldn't be surprised if the mechanism for tracking total views and the mechanism for tracking CCV were entirely separate.
Reminder this is affecting everyone and no one on youtube is safe. It's a matter of time if you think you're safe.
Fuck this I'm hacking Google
>>15801848BUT THE CULL ALREADY EXISTED IT WAS ONLY AFFECTING EN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>15802193No
>>15801593What about quarterpounder?
>>15802141>open stream>drop like>watch for 5 minutes>get bored>leavetruly a mystery
>>15802144Hopefully they keep the energy up for this since Cover might actually address it publicly if they do.
Google has fairly unique tech culture from what I've heard. The employee review system they have incentives building new things, rather than maintaining old ones. Google constantly pushes out new apps and features that eventually the one rockstar dev responsible for 90% of the commits abandons and they stop maintaining them. I'd not be surprised if the whole spam bot culling was a feature implemented by a single dev that wanted to implement something new that looked good on their review.
Reminder that Ame's stupid twitch music bot she doesn't even advertise is beating 50% of holos in CCV>>15801116
So when do we storm youtube hq and start taking hostages and making demands?
>>15802036Thottery is an accepted thing for westerners, so yes.
>>15802259>Hisui, Luis, and Naruse tomorrowholy shit it's actually going to be another new low.
>>15802436Imagine losing to a dog.
>>15802400Yes I always leave a like on streams I don't even bother to watch.
I've never liked a single video in my entire life.
>>15802259Expecting 10-12k tomorrow.
>>15802400all me, all thousands of themall me
>>15801997Iofi tier
>>15802268Lize herself isn't that much of a pull and we already saw their pairing earlier in the week anyway. That being said I did expect better numbers.
>>15802417Can confirm, i worked as a contractor in google for a couple of years. Was so much fun constantly having to reorient into working with new apps/spreadsheets/etc that were barely different than old ones (if not outright worse) just so some retard could get a good review
>>15802144I tried posting something there but I need karma, what is that and how do I get it?
>>15802203Alright sure, keep denying it. It's just a coincidence she's getting sub DMC numbers on one of her buff games right after the cull. Genuinely are you a shitposter or you believe this shit?
>>15802512a lot of people dolikes are pretty fucking meaningless
>>15802468Lize and Yashiro’s backs are gonna break after carrying tomorrow’s episode
>>15802400Yes, because we've seen this type of "Likes > peak" behavior for JP vtubers too in the past year.You fucking retard.
>>15802559Yes, we already gathered as much from the fact taht you post in this thread
>>15802647Glad we're in agreement
>>15802468they need ange or kuzuha lol. preferably kuzuha so we can compare kanaes summer numbers.
Move to Twitch already, HoloEN. Stream part-time. God, Cover is being stupid again that they don't recognize a larger streaming platform after they became Global. Why the fuck are they still letting EN be on Youtube, when they could just upload clips from twitch then upload on their channel? or just upload the whole VOD.
>>15802675Unfortunately, Kuzuha probably doesn't wake up early enough to show up on Nijinoon kek
>>15802314NO NOT CHARZU!!! She is too precious. How can youtube screw with her.
>>15802259>numbers drop of a cliff>niji get normal numbers guys!
>>15802632>likes are pretty fucking meaninglessKek, Likes are literally more useful for the youtube algorithm than CCV newfagWhy do you think year old Gura VODs still get pushed onto recommendations?
>>15802787Their cliff isn't as steep and they aren't getting the waiting room bonk. Only an idiot wouldn't see something going on but it is way worse for hololive than anyone else.
>>15802706They need to do something FAST, even if it is a quick test, Migo, Pego, I beg you, just to prove that you can get previous numbers on the other platform
>>15801637Damn youtube are delusional ,What the fuck is this.That's why premium account dont show huh?Its a fucking lottery
>>15802787Who are you quoting?
>>15802706Youtube still offers a lot of advantages Twitch doesn't. The reality is that even with all the fuckery Cover is still making more money from ads, Youtube Premium, Superchats and Memberships than they ever could on Twitch.
>>15802706>Begging for a Twitch migrationFucking Susan+ Veibae really did a number on this thread.
>>15802512I mean.... I do. Especially if it's on a stream that's not doing well and I really wanna do something else.
>>15802845Did YT ever reply to that guy again?
>>15802193To where? /HERE/? /here/ is much worse. At least over there stupid baits can be point and laugh at instead of getting bitten by idiots
>>15802628Anon I believe she is getting culled, I'm just saying that she doesn't get 27k on dbd anymore
>>15802852probably the one anon from last thread who was saying "those numbers look good, strong even" when shown some recent niji streams that should had gotten higher viewers
>>15802706Honestly they really need to bit by bit we need one holoEn to take the first step, if Youtube want to be little bitch about it let them lose the Hololive money
>>15802626It's up votes, you need at leadt a hundred and your account needs to be more than 28 days old. Blame the chinks Just hang around in /r/virtualvtubers posting fanart or something until you get that
>>15802626Getting upvote, also you lose karma if someone downvote you.
>>15802958They stop replying to the same account after a while and never reply back, the nip that started complaining hard this year no longer gets replies and he shows new evidence every time
>>15802706>XQcow has raided you with 80k viewers>uh-huh t-thanks, poggersKys and stay in twitch
>>15802989>I'm not saying I'm just saying.
So did ENs get culled twice while JPs only got culled once or did EN just recline before both sides of the ocean got culled
Speaking of numbers. Is this one culled too?
What provisions does Twitch have for a streaming company that wants to use their platform anyway? I think it's almost entirely individual streamers. Would Cover be able to negotiate directly or would each Holo have to do it individually?
>>15803047Can't you disable raids? It's just that twitchfags would never do that
>>15803138so far the only one EN that got culled very hard is IRyS
>>15801637this wouldve gain traction if the niji jops join in the twitter shit but unfortunately they don't believe the "cull" the holofags spouting.
>>15801418>these are the only 2 streams above 10k for today so far
>>15803040We need multiple account complaining about it,I dont have a twitter account yet but shut I might make one just to complain about these fucking retard.Is that their genius way to try bringing more streamer to their platform?
Youtube still hasn't done anything about the subscriber cull right
>>15803218this is a really sad way to put it...
>>15803183Cover has already negotiated directly with Twitch considering every Holo who made a Twitch account got monetization straight away.
>>15802626Upboats. Just comment on some specific game subreddit and you will get it easily
>>15803200Bae has 40% of her regular Minecraft viewers. EN absolutely was hit hard.
>>15803200Gura not being able to get above 13k with DBD means she's been hit hard too. If the pattern holds then she'll get even worse numbers next time because a chunk of her "Gura only" fanbase just got culled as well
>>15803183yeah its entirely possible to negotiate with Twitch, and since you deal with an actual human when you do then doing it on a company basis is not hard barring Japanese autismI don't have any examples of companies with multiple streamers but plenty of celebrity brands get partnership through asking, without meeting any requirements or requiring live exclusivity. Heck even Projekt Melody did it.
>>15803228I'm thinking there is a disconnect between the pajeet coders and the business division. Happens all the time in big companies
>>15803138Both can be true.I don't think any reasonable person can say EN hasn't declined AT ALL since their Dec 2020 numbers.For example, Ame isn't pulling 20k viewers for her DK or GoTG streams if she ends up with less than 100k VOD views after a 3 hour stream. However, there are streams like Gura's NY stream that ended with 600k VOD views and is clearly not a 24k CCV peak stream.
>>15803200Bae too. 3k on a prime time Minecraft stream is extremely low even if you account for her overlapping with Gura.
>>15803243Worst,for them thing work as intended
>>15803228Super chat Kiara to do it instead. YouTube doesn't listen to randos.
>>15803038>>15803039>>15803260ogay, apparently got an old acc linked to my mail but never bothered to post, will do
>>15802623sounds like a shit place
>>15803324For a company the size of Cover they'd probably get a dedicated contact who deals with with them only as well I suppose.
>>15794235Got curious so decided to look through all the JP channels and pull together a list of streams with over a million views (excluding Songs, ASMR streams and Debuts).
CAM ON IRYS...IM HAVING A STROKE I WAS ENJOYING IRYS GROWTH MONTHS AGO
too bad twitch pay less than meta and google kek bezos>https://www.svg.com/667276/the-real-reason-disguised-toast-left-twitch-for-facebook/>Disguised Toast pointed out that Twitch is known for offering the least amount of money in terms of signed contracts. According to the streamer, YouTube Gaming and Facebook offer anywhere from double to triple Twitch's numbers.
>>15801637It’s over…
Twitch benefits>numbers>game permissions (?)Downsides>the whole culture around that platform>goobai karaoke (?)>less cut from donations/memberships (big orgs can negotiate a better cut)you can still upload VOD's to YT after 24 hours
>>15803395That's what happens when you hire for the sake of hiring. It seems very prevalent in modern tech companies. They end up with more people than what is needed.
>>15803138>So did ENs get culled twice while JPs only got culled oncethis is the new cope? cool
>>15802268Lize is not the point of the show, she and Shellin have been MCs the entire time.
>>15803472>All those big events and collabs>Marine Undertale G Route sitting near the topMarine strong
>>15803490why did he come back to twitch then?
>>15803503Twitch will surely impose a minimum stream requirement to them. Holoen are lazy fucks tho, goodluck with that.
>>15803582He got his money he doesn't need any more
>>15803503>Your viewership may spill to others causing them to incline
>>15803600doesnt twitch recquire you to stream 7-8 hours per day? The only EN holo that could pull it off consistently is kiara and even then she doesnt stream that amount all the time
this thing will only keep expanding for worse, the AI will eventually flag EVERYONE as a spam viewer and the platform will die, it's a self-feeding cycle
>>15803490>In terms of signed contractsIrrelevant because Cover won't be signing any exclusivity contracts. Twitch and Youtube wouldn't even be able to afford to if they wanted. Hololive as a group has over 2 billion views across all their channels in 2021, if a shitter like Ludwig got 30 million then Hololives worth to a platform is 50x that.
This is a new response and have to admit, it's pretty funny
>>15803759kek
>>15803759>Nihonngo
Was scrolling teamyoutube's twitter and saw thisThis is a thing now?I never got it myself
>>15803503I know we're hating on Susan right now but a massive downside is lack of discovery algo and lack of clipper ecosystem. Twitch clips are in no way comparable to the black hole of clips on YT.Of course they can link their Twitch from YT (or having clippers do it) but every time you try to move someone off platform 90% just won't do it.
>>15803472Add the two Gura streams and I think that is it.Debut Stream - 4,719,109First Outfit Reveal - 2,162,397Massive props to Miko and Korone for the 24 hour event. Its obvious they put a ton of work into it and all the work paid off with the huge viewership numbers they got. Smashing success.
>>15803759>nihonngo>日本ん語
>>15803759Since they don't accept 3rd party sites (that ironically get data from their API), looks like we can only rely on screenshots.Good thing we have lots of them.
>>15803821Would be even better had them not been culling...
>>15803802Is our only hope the YT intern vtuber fan?
>>15803805Every popular Twitch streamer has a dedicated YT channel to clips and Twitch highlight channels are pretty much the norm, nothing will change that, in fact, that might even incentivize clipping twitch to YT
Assuming a bot is replying and not an actual poor PR intern using the YT Twitter accountHow much do we need to fucking break it and make it spout random nonsenses
>>15803821>I think that is it.Wait what... Gura has over 30 VODs with 1 mil views...
>>15803824No, if you type "nihonngo" with IME you got 日本語
>>15803804It does, when I'm studying I regularly have random songs playing on youtube and after a while the songs stop playing and I have to tell YouTube that I'm still there. Don't know why YouTube can't fix it honestly
>>15803503>numbersonly EN benefits that and we have yet to see them stream if they get less, same youtube numbers, 10% - 20% increase, or x2.>game permissionsthey are a Japanese company, those nips are strict af when it comes to IP.
>>15803805It would need to be a slow process. Just switching one day is going to leave a massive chunk of viewers behind, like every other big name streamer who has cut and run for money. They'd need to train their viewers by scheduling 1 stream a week on Twitch and getting them used to watching over there, then slowly ramp up the number of streams on Twitch over time
>>158039042M+ VODs.
>>15803904>>15803821>All the JP ChannelsAnons, that's a JP only list no?
>>15803686No? I watch mainly twitch and I've never heard of any stream time requirement, let alone one that high
>>15803804It fucking sucks sometimes when I listen to music after like 5 songs it stops and asks you
>>15803637Twitch could supercharge Hololives box pushing strategy if the only raid each other. Imagine the funnel strategy when you can force Pekora's viewers all onto Mel at the end of her stream.
>>15803915Yeah, I see them still asking for game permissions even on Twitch.
>>15803884It's usually like this>[user] Question>[yt] Bot AI automated reply>[user] replies with something more, something that could be seen as "not satisfied with the prev. answer">[yt] Intern that knows a handful of topics, asking for details>[user] drops details>[yt] "We will look into this" or "Send a request using this link"
>>15803933Ahh so that's what Pikamee is up to
>>15804034cant risk it when atlus went nuclear on twitch streamers years agohttps://kotaku.com/twitch-and-youtube-streamers-slam-persona-5s-video-poli-1794039504
I want the cull to go way worse this week, maybe up to 90%. The majority of vtuberfags are still in denial or completely ignorant, they need a wake up call.
>>15804034Permissions autism has nothing to do with Youtube. Japanese companies need to do it to protect themselves from litigation. Doesn't matter where they stream, unless Cover has written permission from the publisher to stream the game they can't stream it or else they risk another Holocaust.
>Gura usually consistently gets 9-11k viewers to listen to her ramble/read SCs>Getting only 6k todayIt's shoddy math, but if I were to guess, I would say she had 3-4k culled today, which would put her in line with her recent DBD numbers in regards to peak.
>>15803915holo JP numbers. 18k avg, 20k peak playing Minecraft. slightly better than what shes getting on youtube rn.
>>15803904VODs that have hit 2 million is what we are talking about. I brought it up because the Miko and Korone 24 hour streams are both already above 2 million. It turns out that is a very very rare thing in Hololive so both Miko and Korone killed it with that event.
>>15804237actually the best scenario, if it gets real bad they might actually have to do something, otherwise we will have to suck it up like ensharts did a year ago
>>15804237don't worry, the marika tourney will get the rest of the holo tourists flagged this week
>>15804237Imagine if Kuzuha started streaming to under 10k people. That would get a big reaction
>>15804289The killer/not killer fluctuations are about 2k, but here it just kinda..went down stably.
>>15804334Most of the racers will be at 1k and Suisei/Aqua will win with 10k CCV.
>>15804237Imagine seeing a 3k ccv pekora stream, even the most dense holofags would realize something is up.
>>15804390already happened kek someone post the moona king pic.
>>15804390he better go sleep instead...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3TVNnwtvn8
>>15803218>>15803249I await the day we get an empty daily top.
>>15803997tyler1 spoke about it in a recent interview he did for washingtonpost (I think, might have been some other burger newspaper) might just be exclusive to his contract though>>15804027yeah but that alone adds a lot of unnecessary tension, like people upset you didn't raid them over someone else
>>15804601>yeah but that alone adds a lot of unnecessary tension, like people upset you didn't raid them over someone elseJust have the managers decide who gets raided then. Mene-chan sends a message "Yo send your viewers to X when you end". No fuss no muss. Makes a lot of sense for them to handle it since they'd be looking how to grow Hololive as a collective than just the cliques.
>>15804237Please. I want everyone to be sub 3k shitters ASAP so that no one can pretend to ignore the issue.
>>15804009>Wants twitch's streaming audience>Fucks it up>Wants spotify's music streaming audience>Fucks it upAmazing, Susan
From the marika collab sana has the lowest vod by a decent margin. Didn't she get the highest peak
>>15803804It's fucking annoying, Towa's youtube music playlist is long enough that it asks me once every time through.
>>15804390He got only 8k in his last Alchemy Stars shill stream, but I guess we'll know for sure with his stream today.Maimoto's stream last night showed more signs of decline than cull imo (VOD views are way lower than last year, didn't take too long to recover waiting room).Lize got fucked for her costume and Kanae seems to be fucked and unfucked at random.Kuzuha getting 14k for 3 straight streams is sus, but it could still be explained. (zatsu/zatsu/poker)If he got 12-15k playing Apex, then there's no excuse that he's getting fucked too.
>>15803804Fuck gooks for this. Viewbotting their kpop idols hours on end forcing YT to limit.
>>15804802no i think watame was top toward the end
>>15804850but isnt he playing LoL wild rift soon?
>>15803472I would be interested in a list like this but for the asmr streams.
>>15804802Watame scored the highest peak, but lower averageStill, she got less vod views than Polka with 1k less ccv
>>15804237Unironically agree. It's frustrating trying to convince the normalfags that the cull is real.I looked at the that Reddit thread someone linked a few threads back and it just pissed me off.People were still talking about the 2020 number cull or just saying the low numbers are due to nips traveling home during christmas and new years or some other bullshit, with some posters (obviously from here) trying to convince them with graphs and screenshots.No one pinged the main mod of the subreddit either by tagging the account.
>>15804853I think it's more of a bandwidth saving measure on Youtubes side. Some people legit fall asleep when they have their playlist going and stopping it actually saves a lot of wasted bandwidth when you tally it all up. All comes down to the $$$ in the end.
>>15804237A small price to pay for salvation.
>>15804945>I heard people with adblock don't get counted so it's probably that
>>15804853it's target to music listener like me that uses youtube proper rather than youtube's stupid music interfacei leave the music tab in the background pretty much all day
>>15804912Yes, but I think he should still get above 10k for it. He did last time for something similar.https://vrabi.ml/video/V83kLvF1rbE
>>15804601It is a contract thing. Hololive has monetization on their accounts, yet they stream there once a month maybe for a watch along.
>>15804601Contracted twitch streamers (basically the equivalent of what youtube did with ludwig) have streaming quotas (however these are negotiable and not stupidly outrageous like posters here like to think) and more importantly, ad quotas. They are required to run a certain amount of ads per hour.
>>15801253Real schizos are thankfully few in number.
>>15804950But it's so inconsistent sometimes it's 5 songs sometimes I Falls asleep and in the morning it's still going
clearly you are a bot if you only watch vtuber shit on youtube and not dude crashes ferrari after he purchased it on purpose! in trending.
>>15805347It is literally impossible so many people are ONLY watching vtuber shit on youtube, anons. This is a dead end.
>>15803218>Forgetting your new queen's 15K streamDie.
>>15804945You would see a dozen forms of cope before you see any actual rage, numbefagging is a bannable offence in most discords, and the user overlap is heavy. Most normies wont do shit until the talents themselves speak up.
>>15805268The one time Pekora streamed Minecraft on Twitch she was top 5 on the entire site. If Hololive migrated the top 10 streamers on the site would all be Holos within a month.
>>15802259This clearly shows that the cull is getting exponentially worse. It would be hilarious if Youtube doesn't react to this in any way and thus torpedoes it's whole livestreaming business because Holos and Nijis move to Twitch, when their CCV hits double digits.Remember, before Vtubers exploded in 2020, Youtube Gaming was a literal joke that nobody watched. Youtube got too cocky, if they think they no longer need chuuba.
phony covers and original numbers, a bit outdated thoughhttps://twitter.com/13_chima_oshi/status/1474107407827898369/photo/1left to right, first row first:chima, tsumiki (original), meichan, fuwa minato, rinu-kun, mafumafu, megaterazero, lauren, hoshimachi suisei, pmaru-sama, inui toko
>Gura holding 6k on a superchatMan..how does it feel that these bad numbers are literally nigh unreachable for 80% of holos now (outside events and collabs with big fish)?It seems like it was easier to match Gura's 10k superchat average before than it is to match her 6k now. Did JPs get disproportionately fucked this time around?
Will this take the gold for the worst live of the year? It's all debuff members (and Subaru) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UVUtXHOtV4
goodbye 100k+ total ccv wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Was obvious hours ago, but RIP Irys didn't get close to her waiting room in the end
>>15805481Only if react meta dies and that will only happen if a corporation like Disney tells twitch to stop it
>>15805632so the recquirement to be a mid-tier holo nowadays is passing the numbers on your waiting room?
>>15804571Holy Shit, that will be legendaryor better yet, a winning streak from indies lmao
>YTers got fucked by the culling>meanwhile nearly all twitch streamers that i followed (like 100+ of them), their number went up like 20-30%
>>15805617Last year, I was saying how it was better to be a female in HoloJP than NijiJP simply because a 3D live is guaranteed 40-50k viewers twice a year, whereas a Nijifemale 3D live like is like 30k max.This is karma for shittalking nijiniggers. I'm sorry.
>>15805646>Cover agrees to migrate to Twitch on the condition that Twitch starts to control for copyright breaches and ban streaming Youtube videosHow much seethe would this cause?
Nui is holding the line at a strong 4.4k.
>>15805630>the MK tourney will end up flagging the rest of the viewers because they will be watching multiple streams>it will be all sub 10k for everyoneI really don't want to see the numbers of that day
>>15803138Everybody got culled twice. As somebody who watched only JP streams in 2020, I distinctly remember the cull to many JP Holos, it was basically a flat reduction in numbers. EN got reduced by 50%, JP by 30%. This time it's like the cull is not a flat reduction. Instead, it's progressively growing at different rates, faster for JP, a bit slower for EN. Most likely, the more chuuba streams, the more their audience gets culled.
>>15805710It would be fucking hilarious if twitch intentionally inflate their ccv to throw jab at YT.
>>15805738>strong 4.4k.god...these are dark times
>>15805617Susan PLEASE!! I don't want to see my oshi get sub20k on her fucking 3D Anniversary stream!!!
>>15805738>gachathis would be 7k for her
>express dismay on the massive number cull anywhere else>hurr fuck off numberfag who cares about numbersThe company. The people watching who will tune out without the hype. Artists, animators, translators, sponsors.how can anyone interpret this as a good thing? It doesn't even give them comfier chats since the people are still there, just not "real" to youtube.
>>15805838Did you only just realize the majority of /vt/ are retarded redditfags who use Global as a livestream chat room?
Gura>talking about twitch>I wonder if that's something that Hololive will do this year
I'm sorry numberfags, it's over
>>15805738>>15805790True, it's sad but nowadays getting 4k is fucking impressive already.But my devil brain kind want to see a day without 10k before things go back to normal.
https://twitchtracker.com/usadapekora_hololive/streams/43239080797
>>15805817I thought I was the only lunaito here
>>15802040Honestly I can buy it. She's had a very poor showing for November/December with long breaks and cancelled streams. Her reclining would be expected.
the numbers look more real now imo, back then it looked like the popular holos mogged 99% of twitch
>>15805552Suisei still getting 100k while Chima plummeted
>>15806021>very poor showing for November/December with long breaks and cancelled streams>literally a 23k median in Dec 2021Did you even look at the numbers before posting this?
>>158060617.5/10 bait
>>15806095I think he's trying to bait spic schizo but fortunately he's asleep right now.
>>15805817I think luna will be ok. Well I have a feeling that she will do better than Towa in ccv (not vod). I get the feeling that the 24 hours stream might have done something to fuck with people accounts right before Towa's stream.
>>15806061gura's chat speed doing sc reading and ending is faster than 99% of currently live twitch chat
>>15806125he even just resetted his IP to look like a new poster, cute
Ok numberfags, I have a challenge for you. Estimate a girls' numbers based on the number of unique names in their chat. It's not a perfect measure, but it might expose someone who is having their views greatly inflated.Like for example, if hololive actually is inflating their viewcounts, then across the board, all hololive members should have drastically fewer unique names in their chat as a proportion to their views
Susan... Pls stop
>>15806185HoloID are 2views now...
>>15805838Yup. Add to the list the the fact that if YouTube doesn't count the flagged viewers as engament, Hololive will eventually stop being recommended to other users. At that point if it doesn't get addressed, the girls will absolutely move to Twitch.
>>15805838They rather ignore the problem than trying to solve it, that's how normalfags work. If you bring up that as a counter point they'll just find another excuse.
>>15805962>On average, each viewer watched 55 minutes of the broadcast.holy fuck what
>>15805838The hype was never about just CCV only. Hololive popularity boom started when their CCV were in the few thousands range at best. Outside of CCV, every other singles metrics remain more or less intact. Subs? The same. VOD views? Nothing changed. CTR? We don't have access to it, but I presume nothing changed either. Viewers retention rate? Nope, the same. VTubers' popularities (be it Holo or Niji) aren't changing because of this cull - unless you are assume that a significant part of their viewers only watch their streams because they have big CCV. Sponsors, investors and advertisers have access to reports from corporations themselves, they don't check third party sites for data unless they have no other option.Don't get me wrong, this cull suck and it's not a good thing. However, it's not something as bad as /#/ make it sounds like either. Most Holos, even those got hit hard af, are still streaming and laughing happily, and so are Niji (although the cull wasn't as bad for them). Until a bunch of corporate VTubers start showing concerns, /we/ can assume that this isn't such a big deal for them yet.
>>15806551>n-no audiences just constantly join for 20 seconds and leaveThe absolute state for all the cope trying to explain away Youtube's fuckery.
Mumei’s stream is peaking right now at around 4.6k views with 12k likes.
Cover and Anycolor do something onegai
>>15806085Still remember when people would flaunt that Chima's cover would remain at the top
Just another normal views for Gura, easy 300k after a while...with that level of ccv...
>>15806153anon, those accounts aren't going to get magically unfucked just for Luna's anniversary.
>>15806660Is that good chink or bad chink
>12k average stream>250k views right at the endRiiiiiight
no bug according to niji jops
>>15806660And those haven't even actually finished processing (youtube loads VODs videos across a few hours), this is an easy 500k.Chumbuds have been telling you to look at the VOD numbers for a year anon. Ahead of the meta game.
>>15806678Thinking about it, any anon with flagged acount should stop using that one for a while if possible. Just to see if the flagging is temporary or permanent.
>>15806685>traditional chineseGood. Can't use youtube in China anyways.
>>15806685If you see 觀 (traditional) not 观 (simplified), the good one yeah.
>>15806551just adding to this observationhttps://twitchtracker.com/sakuramiko_hololive/streams/41050171677>On average, each viewer watched 51 minutes of the broadcast.Miko Minecraft when YT was downhttps://twitchtracker.com/sakuramiko_hololive/streams/44832018365>On average, each viewer watched 57 minutes of the broadcast.Miko's watch party on 18 Dec
>>15806685that's Taiwanese Chinese, not standardized mainland shit
>>15806551Did you really believe the lie that Vtuber fans only watched like 5-10 minutes on average?
>>15806705>all those (you)'s
>>15806705Did they see what happened to Lize’s outfit reveal? She should’ve gotten way more
>>15806686So this assumes that over the course of a 4 hour stream, the audience replaced itself 20 times over
We need Roboco or Nene to cry on stream again to get the attention needed
>remove dislikes>cull ccv>(You are here)>remove likes>remove ccv>remove subs>remove views>become tv
>>15806551>4~5 minutes averagehuh, really makes you think
Hime isn't my oshi but I'm gonna feel like shit if she gets sub 20k during her anniversary live...
>>15806830she look like larry david in a wig
Stream for you fucks to keep an eye on: Kuzuha upcoming PR. His PR numbers are usually abysmal and this is a double debuff being LoL.
>>15806789it seems that niji JOPs on 5ch only care about the main channel and kuzuha
>>15806686No fucking way you get 250k with 13k ccv
>>15806851Well at least according to lunaito she doesn't care about numbers...
>>15806851Don’t worry it’s not going to be sub 20k. It’s gonna be sub 10k. Thank Susan
>>15806851Anon, this has a chance to stop at 10k and I'm not even joking
>>15806869according to the norm that you established under the old system filled with botting
>>15806840I think the habit on watching youtube and twitch is different, especially when you can tab out and still count as a viewer.
>>15806886She never did, she likely left Nijisanji because her real friends are in HololiveShe collabed with Roboco and other holos as MoruruI promise you, hime does whatever the fuck she wants and doesn't care if you watch but she appreciates it if you stick around
>>15806865Incoming sub 5k KING
>>15806840coco had 1 minute
>>15806851Her birthday got 55k so assuming she would get that it would have to be a 65% cull
>>15806869She got way more, remember youtube does that stupid shit with loading in the VODs slowly. Otherwise it won't explain the spike of 200k she's gonna get in the next few hours.
>>15806768Those numbers just reinforce my thoughts that Hololive would completely dominate Twitch. To the point where it might not even be worth going over because you know the normies will absolutely seethe and start anti'ing when they're getting completely mogged by anime girls every day
>>15806865>>15806945Is LOL a debuff stream tho? I think he'll still get past 10k but not past 20k.>He might also get some funnel from Amamiya's 3D (only a bit but he'll still get some)
>>15806580Anon, it's literally all about perception. If Holos will be perceived to be unpopular, normalfags would stop caring about them for real.
>>15806798I'm math retarded, this would mean that the audience is 100% replaced every 12 minutes right?
>>15805536The thing is, there are literal statistics on how a lot of streamers are/were moving to youtube since Twitch not only is fucked up (due the whole hot tub saga). but also is all about cliques to get exposure. Literally youtube fucking it's ccv is negative for the plattaform since it's live streaming feature has also been growing among the market.I know some tribalists are saying Holos would move to twitch...but as you can fucking see most top twitch streamers are long time users of the plattaform and you wouldn't see stuff like someone growing like Uto or Holo X debut numbers if they moved there since Holo doesn't belong to any stablished clique but also is not like it would make any noticiable difference if we go by NijiEN. Also, I doubt managers would let them be part of any clique unless is for business related shit like Kadokawa with TT.The vtuber clique in Twitch is still on it's early steps and Vshojo "growth" is because they have on their line...that's right, people who had been in the plattaform for a long time as vtuber (even before HoloEN)...but is up in the air if the growth will continue or they will be another code miko, ash of lol, etc.
>>15806580Gura talked about it and she is the anti-numberfag. If she's taking notice you can bet it's on the radar for the managers.
I've never cared about numbers much before, but they are so fucked up I'm coming here just to see how bad it's gotten. Youtube really wants to try and kill streams they do not like.
Paradoxically, it looks so much worse on the big chuubas who still retain impressive audiences when the audience is halved.I mean Pekora losing half is like "woah what the fuck". Aki losing half is like "oh bad day for streaming I guess".
>>15806551So looks like my theory of "10 minute average watch time is only there because youtube doesn't count tabbed out viewers or some other youtube fuckery" is right
>>15806785only outfit reveals because those are tourists magnets
>>15806798I'm bad at math, but by these numbers, I assume which means a viewer watches this stream for 10mins average, with around 25 times of replacement.
>>15806906>>15806911This better not happen Susan, or else!
>>15807065Anon if Hololive moved wholesale to Twitch, they'd be their own massive clique.
>>15806851Only Subaru is the top-tier guest.So if she'll be hit by Susan then her peak will be the waiting room numbers.>barely got past 20k
>>15807015No one wants to watch his LoL, you've all seen it, it does worse than his Valorant. Amamiya's 3D is a continuation of a recent show plus it's a premiere, not live.
>>15806865>His PR numbers are usually abysmalhttps://vrabi.ml/video/V83kLvF1rbEIt's hit or miss.He got 28k with Naraka Bladepoint in September.
>>15807133+ the randos trying to leech of thatthey are protected on YT because it fucking sucks and no one wants to stream there and even less now
>>15807008>the normies will absolutely seethe when they're getting completely mogged by anime girls every daythis would be the best result, i don't want sodapoppin nor any other shitter pretending to like hololive and leeching
>>15807008Fucking this, the moment you become big on twitch streamers with more toxic chats start reacting to everything you do to the point you need to start some "friendship" or be viewed as the cringe side of twitch
>>15807135Remember that subaluna is a buff
>>15806551>>15806840fumi from nijisanjiavg viewer time: 11:52heres the stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAvJqPI7dvs2 hours long stream
>>15807159That stream was a collab AFAIK and this one you're linking was an entire tournament.
>>15806686assuming chumbuds are as rabid as nousagis and 35ps and on average watches for 55mins as pointed out by >>15806768 and >>15806551this was a 50k average ccvthat would be your twitch number equivalent
>>15807167wrong pic, well, now that I posted that, how do (You) interpret this? specially the part that says >After legitimate engagement events are counted, your metric count should update more often
>>15807133Hololive is in practice already a clique (or at least holoEN is—from what I understand the JP branch is more likely to collab with people outside their company)
>>15807167>+ the randos trying to leech of thatBut these randos try to leech off them anyway? I don't understand what you think will happen, raids can literally be disabled.
>>15807036>>15807111Pretty close yeah.
>>15806840Maybe it's due to how autoplay works? People get autoplayed streams. Or maybe this number is also bullshit. It feels stupid low, you would think that most people would keep watching if they consciously tune in to the stream.
>>15807222Some EN girls want to branch out like Mori, Kiara, even Ina has touched base with PikameeOthers like Gura or Amelia really have 0 interest outside their bubble of friends or the occasional JP/ID interaction
>>15807133the thing is that twitch is not strong on Japan and that will affect the JP side, which is the most relevant for Cover, but I believe that a massive move, either from Holos or Nijis would cause a massive move from the users
>>15807202There's no way the 6k people watching the superchat reading portion were getting replaced at 5 minutes intervals. so that's one thing to take into account
>>15807222>the JP branch is more likely to collab with people outside their companyNot really, statistically speaking. They just have more members so you can point out to those that do. Kiara/Mori are 2/11 of EN and collab outside the company.
>>15806851If Towa got 20k, Luna will get 10k.
>>15807302The stream had 12-14k for most of it no?
>>15807186if Hololive were to start streaming on twitch, I don't think they will interact with people outside of their "box" bar a few Holo members. their ecosystem is strong enough that they themselves can prop big numbers without outside help. instead, other people might try to break into that box and "leech" from them.
>>15806865What number would it take for JOP nijikeks to believe in a cull? If he doesn't beat 3k, will they believe?
>>15807323The average during the non-superchat section was 10-11k, I'd say.The peak was 13701. The overall average was 9700 but Superchat tanked that one.
Might be some sign of false hope, but it doesn't look like Nui or Aki are being culled right now.Nui getting 5.5k with Uma Musume main story is normal and Aki got past 1.2k for ARK.
Youtube is special for Hololive because their VODs are just youtube videos which in its self is convenient as can be and there is a fuck ton of VODfagsTwitch's VODs are still x1000 more inconvenient and which is why Twitch people literally open a twitch vod Youtube channel
>>15807202keep posting i'm interested in copium overdose side effects
>>15805552Suisei song legs are as impressive as always
>>15807331That's the thing Anon you just can't fucking ignore people on twitch, they start shitty drama like that from raids or people jumping from chat to chat since it's easy on the same platform, The Gura X Sykkuno thing would have been way different if everyone was on twitch
>>15807375As much as people joke about it Aki isn't a 1k streamer
>>15807410i'll do more bad stats when i get a decent number for average unique chatters
>>15807420>Suisei song legsAgreed, suisei leg is sex
>>15807036but if the average watch-time is 12 minutes, that would totally make sense, right? Also the bot-views are still adding to the viewcounter, just not the live view counter. So the viewcounter is inflated
Did a little messing around for my own curiosity. My vtuber watching account, active for years, many many superchats and memberships. Doesn't show as a viewer on zero ccv cam livestreams. Made a quick burner and that shows up. Have tried it in enough different places to know its not just some fluke.
>>15807447what's stopping people from doing that on youtube? how different is the twitch culture vs youtube's?
>>15807553you can't raid on youtube like you can twitch because twitch has baked in shit that alerts the streamer AND the chatroom that a raid is comingalso on youtube all emotes from membering/subscribing are domestic you can't use them cross platform like twitch
>>15807447Can you just mass ban people who participate in certain channels chat? That would be the easiest solution. You're an XQC fag? Boom, banned, no chat for you. In general chat moderation on Twitch seems easier than Youtube too.
>>15807375ratios are really hard to grasp on small numbers, they are blatant when you are talking in big numberswhen comparing from cutting 4 to 2, you only lost 2 people, which is a relatively small amount compared to the cut, 50%, take this to 40k to 20k, you lost 20k, which is something extremely alarming even if it's the same cut, 50%
>>15807598people just use NightBot mainly and set parameters like character length of the message, caps lock usage etcMainly women and highly controversial channels pay or hire moderators
>>15807553>what's stopping people from doing that on youtube?nothing, seehttps://streamable.com/cwtomtbut the fact that they are on a different platform that probably requires some to close and app to open YT just to shitpost in chat is not worth it, so it is enough to prevent it from exploding
>>15807133They would but that doesn't mean some of their viewers would branch out a bit. But that would probably only benefit other vtubers on the platform which isn't really a bad thing despite all the tribalfagging here.
>>15807447You can block raids
>>15807594They're gonna try to add raiding soon though
>>15807065Anon, Hot tub saga happened in 2021, we're talking early 2020 here. Streamers started moving away from Twitch after Vtubers already proved that it's a viable platform for live-streaming. >you wouldn't see stuff like someone growing like Uto or Holo X debut numbersPeople have been funneled into HoloX debuts from off site, mainly from Twitter, Reddit and talents shilling the debut. People didn't get funneled into HoloX debuts via recommendations, because there was no videos that Youtube could recommend and Youtube has no reliable mechanism for discovering streams beyond recommendations. HoloX debuts would've been literally on the front page, if they happened on Twitch.
>>15807598you can ban words more efficiently, I would ban>streamer names>streamer emotes (emotes are global on twitch)>the words alluding to raids, like "raid" and "come from"and the stuff that they already ban, like roomate stuff
>>15807709Jesas. Why are twitch niggers like this?
>>15807553twitch is a lot more interconnected, all the big streamers know each other, if someone like xqc dislikes you then that's automatically 10+ huge streamers that also dislike you -at least-(and not to mention all the clout-chasers that will hate you to fit in with xqc)
>>15807711Isn't Jun streaming on Twitch? How is his numbers?
>>15807806drama seeking attention whores looking for content because they are untouchable on the platform
>>15807806The more popular you are, the more niggers and idiots you have, the more noticeable it is to the general public. Just look at the state of chumbuds for reference.
>>15806840Maybe because it counts tab in/outs as start/stop of a viewing period?
>>15807739And then you will have some big streamer making passive aggressive comments about being ignored
At this point, I hope their waiting room get past 10k, so they can charting...
With the CCV culled we just have to talk in VOD views now.Sorry ccv fag
This is depressing...I can't believe these mofos at youtube actually have done thisWhat am I supposed to look forward to now?
>>15807942I USED TO RULE THE WORLDMY PREFERRED METRIC WAS THE ONE FOR GOLD
>>15807982the stream itself and your oshi being cute of course
>>15807982>What am I supposed to look forward to now?Gee I dunno anon, maybe the actual content being made?
>>15807906>And then you will have some big streamer making passive aggressive comments about being ignoredgoing back to the point of Hololive being big enough to sustain their own ecosystem. I really don't think that matters, right?
>>15807982I just hope this won't get into my oshi's head and influence her mood on stream...
>>15807942>wake up>this VOD got 200k, that VOD 140k>oh wait this VOD was culled FUCK YOU SUSAN>sleep
>>15807982Your oshi's streams?I get it, it's a bummer but the quality of the live stream shouldn't be dictated by the CCVs
>tfw conditioned myself so I can't get an erection unless a chuuber hits 30k CCV
>>15807375Aki's Median and Average in Nov were 2.5k and 3.6k respectively anon. 1.2k is way below either of those. Sure, it's Ark, but is Ark that much of a debuff game?
>>15808054>but the quality of thelive stream shouldn't be dictated by the CCVsOh rearyyy???
>>15807982Gura's 3d debut to a whopping 50k!
>>15807792T. twitchfagIf this can make you sleep is more likely the roommates to return to twitch than Holo switching main plattaform
>>15807942>Susan culls VOD views next
>>15808086numberrot withdrawal syndrome...hang in there anon, don't fall for the call of the harder stuff
>>15808021>>15808022>>15808054>these motherfuckers think CCV cull won't affect their oshi's mood
>>15808164My oshi is Ina
>>15808164Someone post what Noel said
After this nerf, the Q1 2022 watchtime numbers for YouTube Gaming will be lower than Q2 2019 if the -30% Q1 2021 decrease was anything to go by.
>>15808164This. Every vtuber is a numberfag deep down and it's definitely going to mentally affect them seeing their numbers suddenly slashed like this. A lot of them probably still don't know what's up and think they're legit less popular than last year.
Irys just finished, I don't track her views often, can someone enlighten me if this is her usual performance?
>>15808164only if your oshi is a blatant numberfag
>>15807838Less than Youtube...before the cull.
Nui gatcha can't even break 10k now...sad.
>>15808237... Are we in 2019?
>>15808164my oshi is gura
>>15808164Well, the worst case scenario is chuuba crying on stream thinking 50% of her fanbase abandon her for new oshi.
>>15808225even if she isn't it might fuck her up mentally (depending on how tough she is) because it's suddenly getting half of your viewers blown into oblivion. you can cope all you want but chubas are humans too.
>>15808237She's playing story and she usually gets around 6k for these parts.
>>15808086>get erectile dysfunction because of numberswe are losing more than our minds...
>>15808334Waiting for Lamy to do it in her mengen
i just want to now thegirls already talkedwith their managers and theese conatcted youtube
>>15808133Hololive already streams on NicoNico and Twitch and they used to stream on BiliBili. In fact, many holos used to do exclusive streams on BiliBili very frequently. Aki has been doing them weekly almost up to Taiwan yab. Suisei and Fubuki also streamed there often. If you think Cover is afraid of moving platforms, you're wrong. Obviously, they will never delete their Youtube channels, but they can easily turn them into VOD and clip channels and stream on Twitch.
>>15808318Gura is one of the first Holos to directly address the issue so she's already revealed that it's on her mind.
>>15808366Omega quick what's Ina like in bed
>>15808215Should let youtube count buffered views first. I'd probably expect 90-100k from this Minecraft stream.
>>15808380Theyll go back to NicoNico before they ever touch Twitch for HoloJP as a full time platformCover likes control and reasoning, they can contact YoutubeJP as a company, they can't contact Amazon
>>15808334I'm waiting for Towa and Watame to talk about it.
>>15808215Looks about right for a stream that just finished. I assume that when everything is processed, it will be around 90-120k, her usual number for a normal stream (neither high nor low CCV, pre-Dec 2021)
>>15808237talking about gacha, Matsuri is doing onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_37ZLfBaHkit's her prime content for numbers
>>15808352The title says gacha anon, twice even.
>>15808362Please update when she starts crying, I will get a membership just for that
To make Towa's live's CCV average match up with it's VOD views right after airing the average person watching would have watched only 3 minutes of it. I don't know about you friends but I tend to watch every minute of a live. If people only watch 10 minutes of the live per view then Towa got something like 67k~ average views.
>>15807291EN wouldn't be affected, pretty sure fans would be glad they'd move to twitch too. JP stays on Youtube.
>>15808334>abandon someone because they are cryinganon, it's literally the opposite, people JOIN because of that
>>15808456It's literally thousand times easier to contact a human at Twitch that can actually solve your issue than it is to contact a human at Youtube. On Twitch, even people with 1k ccv have contacts within the company as long as they are partners. And you can be sure that Twitch will be very accommodating to Cover, Because Holos are clean and drama-free streams that the platform desperately needs.
>>15808533That's inconvenient and would annoy people who watch the entire company
>>15808489She's going to get sub 1000 CCV
>>15808215I'll piggyback off your post and bring up Mumei's immediate vod views as well. I never kept track of her ending vods numbers but I would expect her vod to reach 100k within the usual time. Outside of IRyS's waiting room numbers Mumei maintained higher ccv than IRYs the entire time, but I doubt that's truly the case given the choice of games plus the afformentioned waiting room numbers. Both affected by the cull, but I think it hit IRyS harder
>>15808524And it's a 3d live, not a karaoke, so you can't even claim that most people were alt-tabbed.
>>15808543Right but twitch doesn't have a big presence in JapanRight now the biggest streams is one dude doing a 24/7 loop of Gamecenter CX or gaijins live vlogging around
>>15808489and these are the numbers from the most recent I believe, the third one where she got 36k
>>15808537Try reading his post again
Who will be the first chuba to have a menhera fit about their audience leaving them? Or did it happen already?
>>15808456Anon...If Cover actually had a contact at Youtube they wouldn't have constant fuckery on their channels. Twitch would be MUCH more amenable to actually accommodating Cover than Youtube which is big enough that it can give Cover the finger and never bother to actually address any of their issues. If Cover went to Twitch they'd be the biggest draw on the platform by far and Twitch would probably have an entire team on call dedicated to Cover support.Consider the following, Twitch make multi million dollar deals with individual streamers who get ~30k viewers a stream. How far do you think they're willing to bend over for a company that gets 2 billion views a year and every single talent on their list would be in the top 10% of Twitch streamers?
>>15808215>>15808580as some one who follow most Holos vodsusually 1k like =10k viewsthere are a few exceptions like aki, mel and kaira whichi is like 1.5k likes =10k but that is usually their avergaes across the last months.
>>15808606Thing could change, more jap watching nico than youttube just a few years ago.
>>15808639It'll be the first one to graduate over this.
>>15808606>Right now the biggest streams is one dude doing a 24/7 loop of Gamecenter CX or gaijins live vlogging aroundYeah, that's true. It's an issue. But it can be changed by gradually nudging an audience to migrate by streaming there regularly in addition to Youtube, just like one anon said. Also, that doesn't matter for EN and ID.
>>15808580I mean, Gura is getting 300k after an hour
>>15808554>annoy people who watch the entire companyNope, what do you mean "who watch the entire company"? EN has different timeslots as compared to JP. The bulk of JP streams comes 7-12 hours after EN's usual timeslot.
>>15808703Do you even watch streams...?
>>15808606Did anyone forgot that Jun literally had 240k viewers like a few months ago on Twitch? Going to twitch is viable, but I want only EN to do it. Not JP.
>>15808606Even more reason Twitch would do almost anything to get Hololive on their platform. It would let them break into the JP streaming market effortlessly.
>>15808200Which stream?
>>15808723I'm taking online classes now and the bulk of my time is used to listen to Holos every morning and night. EN in the morning and JP in the night. I wouldn't mind having to go to twitch to watch EN, and changing to Youtube at night. Other than that, there's less JPs streaming in the morning anyways.
>>15808655They do, though. Well, depends on your definition of "contact". Someone working for Youtube that Cover can influence? Of course not. A direct line to contact Youtube when they need, and for their issue to be taken more serious than that of random streamers around? Definitely. Kiara said it before, and you can just look at how fast Hololive channels get unbanned when YT wrongly banned them last few times. Indies had to spend weeks, or month asking YT for support. Hololive channels are generally freed within day (or days at worst).
>>15808692You're comparing two different things, on the search bar it displays the time since the vod was created while on the actual page it gives you the time since the stream itself started. The Mumei vod is only about 25 minutes old, I'll screenshot the views when it gets to an hour if we want to track the difference
Watame vod.
>>15808743Found it >>15759161>But since it's New Year's so, I thought maybe all the dan-in and holo-live listeners, perhaps, don't watch things like streams on New Year's. I felt like they don't really watch. So danchou was wondering what to do, but danchou want's to stream, so I think I'll do it.
>>15808606yes, Japan is extremely autist to change, this is why they are still using Fax machines to send data, they still do it for the COOF, BUT a move this big would actually work, niggers don't watch Pekora just because she streams on YoutubeIt will be hard and will require a very strong will but it can be done, and only one of them needs to push it, either Holos or Nijis
https://youtu.be/dPX0_IEXVRothis will probably hit 1 million in 6 hours unfortunate that the original version had recording mistakes and had to be reuploaded. that killed the momentum of this cover
>>15808739Nah Twitch has too much of a stick up their ass to beg anyone to join them
>>15808580we can't really use the VOD numbers at the end of the stream sometimes it takes time to show the real numbers sometimes not it's inconsistent
>>15808838Youtube themselves say it could take up to 2 days
>>15808812So her numbers yesterday in the collab is pretty normal and even buffed her MK streams?
Twitch doesn't reach out to companies to join them because they have the western gaming market by the ballsCompanies use their platform as a "i guess we have to" measureAlso japs love their homebrewed shit like NicoNico, Youtube is very convenient for videos in general for them so they adapted it as well like the rest of the world
>>15808812This guy vod today.
>>15808880add the people that genuinely watch the archive and it becomes a mess to analyze
>>15808902I just wnna say, all hail watame!
>>15808915Yes that's generally why we've avoided using VODs in favor of CCV which has been far simpler to track and compare.
I feel hopeless. There is nothing to be done. No one is with us, even though the same shit is happening to small corpos and indies Niji fans will not accept that there are shenanigans.
>>15808902Watame was a 15k streamer all along...
>>15808902When will Uchiha Itachi debut?
>>15808812>96k VOD view for 2.6k peak 2 hour streamIf that's all you needed to get 100k VOD views, then the NijiEN girls would be filled with 100k VODs, but they aren't.
>>15808980how can a dead person debut?
Is anyone compiling the evidence we have so far?
>>15808977>Niji fans will not accept that there are shenanigansAre you surprised? You should have known from them choosing Nijisanji to support that they aren't the smartest of individuals.
>>15808977They will accept, but it will be too late. Their market share will already crumble.
>>15808980The yab of killing his whole clan basically makes him blacklisted for homos or Niji.
Why the fuck are these retards comparing a stream to a standard youtube video...
Okay, I got it. Pekora and Miko should do a special minecraft collab on twitch. Advertise it and build it up for a bit. That would be a good show that there is some dumb shit going on.
>>15808205Doesn't even have to be a numberfag, streaming is literally still their job no matter if they enjoy it or not. Their audience and views are still one of the handout factor and basis they have to look onto their own personal performance. It's like saying their oshi doesn't even try to improve or atleast try to retain already viewers(them).
>>15808977We have seen from data like waiting room cull, total messages, and total unique chatters that Nijisanji most likely isn't getting culled.Unlike Hololive who is getting fucked over by youtube, Nijisanji is just reclining on their own. A classic, genuine recline.
>>15808991CCV is bs my dude. We all need to accept it.
>>15809049Hold your horses, cowboy. At least let Gura do a single regular ass DbD stream there, before we do anything drastic.
>>15808980How much do you think an Itachi vtuber could incline
>>15808902that is not the VOD from his stream, it's both of thisGura got >>15808692 on less time streamed and "half" the CCV
>>15808977No one support us because they see us as numberfags, the majority of the fanbase hate numberfags. If a chuuba directly talk about it or better, crying on stream, they would react differently.
>>15809067Nijisanji JP is getting culled for sure. And Nijisanji EN also probably getting culled, but to a much lesser degree and only females.
>>15809094It needs to be something that could get 100k CCV. A Pekora Miko reunion could definitely do that. People need a wake up call.
>>15809103for some context, the first one got deleted because of an actual copyright strike and immediately started the second stream
>>15809125Nijisanji JP is just flat out reclining. They don't show the same evidence of culling that the Holo JP talent does. People are just moving on from Nijisanji and the numbers prove that to be the case.
Place your bet which holo will first dip into twitch if this culling gets worse.
>>15809103
>>15809112It's funny because Aki and Mio have cried on stream about their shit numbers before and gotten saviorfags to rally to them because of it. It's their job and anyone who thinks they don't care about their main performance metrics are simply deluded.
>>15809181so he got 100k views per hour streamed to an average of 25k CCV?
>>15809178Amelia. She's been wanting to jump back for a while and this gives her the perfect excuse. Omegatranny has been blocking her though
>>15809157The noon show doesn't lose 50% of it's viewers overnight. The mahjong lottery doesn't lose 40% because of some decline when it's obvious Nijisanji has more tourists than ever. They are getting hit but not as hard due to the segregation of the fanbases. If this thing is like a virus it will show up, two more weeks.
>>15809226Was about to post this.Noah's val number have fallen off a cliff but idk enough about her to know if it's a cull.
>>15809223>15 minutes average time watchedSeems reasonable.
>>15809157What the fuck are you talking about? Kanae? Mito? Lize? There's shit ton of evidence, and King will prove it today for sure once he fails to get 5k.It's not the time to tribalfag, we need to come together and spam Susan's twitter and demand answers.
>>15809226All vtubers used bots duh.
>>15809223Ah yeah sorry. Forgot to mention he was at about 25k for a lot of the stream. Gura obviously being culled but we already knew that.
>>15809244>this thing is like a virusChuuba COVID kek
>>15809287see>>15806840
.LIVE has collab stream in 2 hours. It will be interesting to see if they actually Incline according to what the previous threads claimed.
>>15809292That what youtube twitter said.
any holo gold contender?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpflUZpX06c
>>15809223he showed his analytics on the stream he got banned right before this one, you can check the last thread but i think it had 10mins watched per viewer average
>>15809339Probably won't happen, but it'd be funny if thousand of "bots" appear at youtube HQ, declaring they're watching a stream with sub 1k ccv.
>>15809291Kuzuha will get 10k+ since it's not a shill stream or valo>Even with Dec24 yab and cull, Pekora can still get 10k+ even on normal streams.
>>15809376Kanata has a kinda big collab?No idea if Gwelu is culled, but we know Kanata is.LMAO gold talk is dumb knowing what we know about CCV, but there's something cool about Holos winning gold even against all the handicaps and culls.
>>15801418Chumbuds laughed at the JP cull, now how do you feel?
>>15809376Luna's Anniversary>But her only strong guest is Subaru and Botan
So if I understand correctly Towa should had get around 70k for her 3D live, Gura around 40k for dbd and Mumei/Irys above 10k?If true yeah YouTube is a real fuckfest
>>15809291Small numbers don't indicate the cull necessarily. Look at the graphs and other evidence with Niji videos. They don't show the massive waiting room cull or anything like that. There is no evidence of cull on Nijisanji videos. They are getting worse numbers because they are actually reclining.>It's not the time to tribalfag, we need to come togetherI will never work with a Nijinigger.
>>15809291Ok chill for a sec, culls suck and all, but Kuzuha is not going to fall to 5k wtf. Cull for him is if he gets hardstuck in the mid 10s streaming at JP primetime playing a normal game.
>>15809424It still would be useful to keep track of gold for now, just for the sake of posterity, in case this shit gets fixed in the future.
>>15809376Golds? Don’t talk about golds?! You kidding me? Golds?! I just hope we can get a 20k stream!
>>15809431Basically yeah. Likes, VOD views and other metrics like chat participation point to that.
>>15809376https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UVUtXHOtV4
>>15805632...Wait, is this seriously suggesting that there was literally zero drop-off from a Minecraft collab stream into superchat reading/free talk? That her perfectly-flatlining stream did not change whatsoever in viewership between those two segments?
>>15809494ngmi
>>15809427the chumbud spic has been real quiet
>>15809431towa was probably around the 40kGura most likley 17k-20kMuemei/irys were above 7k
>>15809525The secret endings are that powerful.
>>15809494Over under 18k?
>>15805669That's top tier, Mid tier is when you can break into 4 digit CCV
>>15809525nah, she had the drop too, the pic is incomplete
>>15809581Ah, okay, that makes much more sense even if it's still undercounted.
>>15809525Yeah. There's something like a hard cap implemented that is stopping streams from going over a certain number no matter how many viewers they get. Mikorone was hardstuck at 25k for the second stream, Towa was hardstuck at 22k. Irys probably had something like 8k watching and when people left for the superchat reading it didn't make a dent because the number of remaining viewers were still over the 3.6k hard capIt's ridiculous but that's what's going on right now
>>15809494Sigh... such weak guests. Please don't cull Hime too much Susan.
bit early but I yearly culls for streamers performing above how YT expects
Dont looks at nose Apex numbers right now
Is Numbergeddon v2 worse than the original Numbergeddon in fall 2020?
Remember Luna birthday got 55k with only Subaru and choco as guests
It'll take some time for hololive to get past the youtube bot-detection this time. But don't worry, you'll be back to your high number streams you love so much soon
>>15809679Much worse. It's more than just a cull, this is numbers cancer spreading out of control to every channel and getting worse by the day
>>15809679Is that even a question?
>>15809679we didn't had a numbers thread and people were just calling us schizos EN reclined cope blablabla
>>15809386>CEO of YouTube forced to apologize after claiming thousands of South East Asians to be "not real people"Could you imagine?
>>15809431Towa looks to be around 50-60k.Matsuri got 48k for this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-J0mGVamNcNo way did Gura get 40k today for DBD, probably 20-30k, judging from the VODs after the stream.300k is around what a Pekora stream usually gets when it's not super long or super high.
>>15809725Original cull hit JP too
>>15809679YesNumbergeddon 1.0 hit EN pretty hard but their numbers still remained pretty damn strong despite the cull and they were still able to hit absolutely massive numbers for big events (costume reveals, VRChat anniversary stream, etc.)Bae and IRyS just got 3k for a Minecraft collab where they were in voice chat while pandering hard to yurifags and BaeRyS shippers. Just a month ago a stream like that would have easily put one of them over 10k (probably Bae since she started first) and then 8k for IRyS.
>>15809679Yes, this is a random variable that is affect by many factors that is time variant whereas the previous one could be treated as a scalar.
>>15809761Only 1/4 rather than 1/3
the numbers are getting more fun as max ccv and unique chatters are convergingfrom the dbd stream13,618 max ccv11,822 uniques
>>15809725>>15809785Part one was across the board too, no? Pegora's minecraft streams went down by a lot and this was right after the HEY MOONA and Pekomama arcs where she was getting huge ccv
>>15809836forgot pic
>>15809809Ceteris paribus which is not a valid assumption when dealing with numbers
>>15809679Well, people quickly figured out some of the major rules for Dec 2020 cull, so yes, this is worse for now. Right now it's just unclear whether you are or aren't counted as a viewers in a big stream anymore.
>>15809836Oh, that some nice engagement! lol
>>15809866Hololive just has amazing engagement rates. Sometimes it's almost 200%.
>>15809836Nice. We might eventually get to 100% viewer participation in chat. Youtube will be happy they've fostered such a great website that every viewer wants to participate in the community.
>>15809749Could create quite a scene, maybe catching attention from big medias too. Even better if black and spic join too.
>Mikkorone part 1: 48k peak, 2.24 mil views, 73k likes:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyT_8zPmp6Q&t=0s>Mikkorone part 2: 28k peak, 2.19 mil views, 74k likeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZnGyMFJe0IThank god we have VOD views as receipts for Susan's bullshit.
>>15809836>>15809866>If you don't chat you don't countNaruhodo...
>>15809836How long until we see a stream with more unique chatters than peak viewers?
>>15809836they are also converging to the average when it used to be half of the peak, it's EXTREMELY consistent
>>15809847It did but it was obviously more noticeable with EN who took a nearly 50% hit overnight. That is besides the point though. The thing with the old cull is that it seemed like they were able to fight through it at times and still put up absolutely massive numbers, especially for special events.With this current cull getting over 50k seems like a fever dream that we are never going to see again.
>>15809809Because JP inclined faster since the EN novelty started wearing off
>>15809912Korone hasn't streamed much so the rot isn't on her channel as bad as Miko's.
>>15809679It's clearly worse because the cull also seems to be visible with most of NijiJP, and basically everyone, corpo or 2view, except NijiEN Males and...who was it again... .LIVE?
>>15809836that's crazy
>>15809943Either that or in 1 day around 20k Hololive viewers got turned into "bots" by Youtubes flagging system. Shit is ridiculous.
>>15809877>>15809931I see, so the first cull was more logical and still beatable.
>>15809916soon, and you better believe faggots still gonna try to deny it
>>15809916we'll see if the marika tourney will get us there
>>15809836Ok, before the purge, what was the unique chatter/ ccv ratio for all the girls? And how do those numbers compare to the numbers from other companies?
Which fanbase will likely KyoAni'd YouTube HQ if their Oshi cry on stream over this?I hope she cry over this...
>>15809912Man, those VOD numbers are absolutely fantastic. It kind of sucks the cull prevented us from seeing the true power of this event. I wouldn't be surprised if they held near 80k CCV for most of the 24 hours.Props to Miko and Korone for putting on such a damn special events. Its one of the greatest streams I've ever seen. When they first announced it I was expecting them just to hang out while playing games and maybe mixing in a karaoke or something. Instead we got a legitimate event that clearly took a ton of work to organize. All the guest messages, variety of games, 3D events, 3D Live, and a new original collab song. The whole event blew my mind.
>>15809987hololyzer only track holos... i can try to compile
>>15810004If the theory of hololive botting is true, they should have a much lower ratio than other companies, or indies
>>15809376Anon no one really cares about the gold right now.
>>15809994Rushia might have a fir if she starts losing her validation but she seems to measure that in SCs.SCs are also way up as of late, that shows less viewers obviously.
Noah is getting 884 on her Valorant stream right now. She used to get 1.6k (2 days ago) to 3-5k+ (just 2 weeks ago). Is she another victim or is it just Valorant being a debuff game in JP?
>>15810025You say that but NJU had 180k viewers with less than 20k unique chat
>>15810082ok but let's see the data
>>15809034that yab was revealed to be for greater goodhe's officialy a saviourfag
>>15809679Yes. This 2022 fuckery makes it hard for any vtuber to reach their waiting room number and thats BS.
Rip weekly Holo song rankinghttps://www.youtube.com/post/Ugkx6Jsn0YQ44E165f_rDJxAA4LLXISLDE7H
>>15810025anon, if they were botting and YT was detecting them, they would remove the VOD views
>>15808580>>15808692A bit late, but just to make good on my promise
>>15810117Fuck. VOD view growth was untouched and his ranking is still legitimate. Numbers keep getting worse.
>>15809226>More VOD views in less than 24 hours with less than half the CCV AND 30 mins less durationShe was supposed to be inclining.....
>>15810025>everyone is affected>HOLOLIVE MUST BE BOTTINGThe absolute state of nijiniggers
>>15810242Okay yeah that's bullshit LMFAO.>Half CCV>Shorter stream>More VOD views already in the past 24 hrs
If the transphobics who implemented this bullshit read this thread what would you like to tell them?
>>15809916Do you accept 2views?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgSXAKsq-Voalmost 2m under 2 weeks
>>15810280Fire the Pajeets and rollback the "features"
>>15810117Damn, this is actually a big loss for numberfagging and even Hololive in general. I'm sure he funneled people to a lot of Hololive music based on what they saw in the stream.However, that channel proved so popular that I can't see somebody not picking up the slack and sliding in to replace him.
>>15810195Yeah I'm not sure if they're being culled.
>>15801637>hololive was just using viewbots the whole timedamn, that's sad
>>15809431Gura probably got around 30k but you gotta remember we're working with 2 layers of cull here from 2 Decembers (yes JP got culled last time too don't jump up my ass schizos)
Purge my ass. These are the numbers that she always gets. Pretty much exactly. I watched her month ago and she was getting between 45 and 55 viewers. In act the very second before I took this screenshot she was at 51, which is what she was at for her entire catlady playthrough
Roberu looks completely unaffected
>40% longer stream>8hr old VOD vs 1hr VOD>Same CCVMumei should have a lower view count here by a good margin.
>something we know is behaving like a virus and spreading is not affecting XYeah, now. Two more weeks I tell you.
>>15810401I always thought the estimated viewer churn for holos etc was exagerrated>>15810400It's The Cull not The Purge, coming to cinemas Oct 2022
hi numbersThere is currently a discussion about this issue on 5ch holothreads.Here are the current threads and archives.current threadshttps://mercury.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/livemegami/1641279026/archiveshttps://archive.fo/https://mercury.bbspink.com/*
Premium vs non premium, random streams with no viewers.https://streamable.com/bq2alqhttps://streamable.com/8h2wyghttps://streamable.com/x4wbqqhttps://streamable.com/akiggkhttps://streamable.com/b2gepxhttps://streamable.com/tbo8r6
>>15810375>over an hour longer in duration>"higher" CCV>eight hours to gain additional VOD views>still only 88k views to 107kHonestly, why are they not getting hit? Is it just because of how new they are? Is there something about their audience that keeps them from being flagged?
>>15810482>it's not affecting me so it isn't realaya the classic
>>15810532yeah, not being viewbots
>>15810505>tfw a free account is worth more than a paid one rumao
>>15810532don't worry, if they keep watching them exclusively, like every vtuber fan does, they will be flagged too, eventually
>>15810470Mysta has more new viewer ?
in a few minuteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_37ZLfBaHk>>15808489>>15808629
>>15810596So the strategy for protecting yourself from culls is to reverse funnel? Making sure your audience is watching other groups/categories.
>>15810375memei is still gowing compared to vox and still gaining 2k every 5 minutes so she stil have some views getting processed. Moomers will probably end up in the 130-150k range. in comparision to mysta the closes wil be her MK stream of 1week ago. 4k average and also had 80k after the first few hours, now sitting at 112k>>15810532i think is matter of time looking at some of Shu's streams.
If the box push bot viewer thing is true, Pajeets literally made something that exclusively targets Hololive (With some NijiJP collateral). No way this is some runaway algorithm code, that shit's man made to get those pesky anime bitches off Susan's platform and make Ludwig-kun look better.
>>15810532probably not a viewbotted audience. I think the big corpos hololive and nijisanji are both very guilty of this viewbotting. I think they are only using it on specific people, like weak streamers they want to boost. Probably Reimu Endou for example might be getting some views tossed her way, so she doesn't jump off a cliff. Hololive was probably botting their new debuts to boost them the way that Gura got picked up by the algorithm. And probably both JP branches were heavily botting their top talents
>>15809749they already accounted for this, ManjiSEAnji didnt culled, they only bopped long term JP and western accounts
>>15810651>ackshually every single person was getting botted, even in Niji, except these 2 new Niji homosShut the fuck up susan
>>15810596I would say it's far more likely to have a racist implementation than that, majority of youtube content is of much lower quality than streaming
>>15810651>I have no proof but believe meyeah sure
>>15810677Have you seen the kind of impact the niji males have been having around the internet? It's massive. Those two in particular. Their chats are absolutely filled with blushing girls from twitter and tumblr
>>15810532>>15810470>>15810647Actually this is an even better example because it's the same game and same length too. (Minecraft, 4:30:00)Man imagine dissing VODs back then when they're the only form of confirmation we have left.
Matsuri is starting her gacha stream with 1626 waiting and 1.2k likes. Then it immediately drops to 320 viewers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_37ZLfBaHk
>>15810651>>15810714I guess there's no limit to stupidity.
>>15810733>please subscribe to my channeldesperation...or she knows something we dont?
>>15810651>4 probably
>>15809223Gura has 364k views now, her stream is 4 hours 30 mins averaging at 9,700 ccv. Again, stupid susan. She's at 20k+ ccv realistically.
>>15810720That is insane. Bae easily had more viewers than both of them. I'm beginning to believe the users are getting culled for emote spam, or at least a good number of them. The new Nijis don't have memberships open yet so they can't use emotes at all. While Bae clearly got fucked over hard by the cull.
>>15810778Everyone just always says that. It's them trying to emulate youtubers.
>>15810568I watched this random stream for 6min and never got counted, vs 15sec that it took for non premium to get counted. https://streamable.com/hfw7fq
>>15810779>2 "I think"
>>15810851is a pinned comment
>>15810835>debut buff is actually no-emotes buffFeels surreal
Matsuri has more messages per minute than viewers right now
>>15810117Are there any good holo ranking channel to replace him or already doing the same thing?
>>15810893Working as intended^(tm)
>>15810852Can you try doing one with tabs? Or like having in another window but not highlighted.
>>15810893lmao, christ
I wonder if the raids and gifted subs that youtube wants to add has anything to do with all this culling.Something like they were changing the code of how views are counted to make them more "accurate" before raids are implemented but as usual they just made it worse
Please...Save Lui...
>>15810835>pajeet code has been fucking people over spamming emotes all alongThis makes no sense, emote spam is literal stream meta. This would also be the best possible outcome since it means its not intentional, provable, and can actually be reverted vs youtube doing this on purpose
>>15810117Holodex or Holopoi should take up the mantle and create the best numberfagging site but of course, it doesn't pay bills.
I'm done with this thread until Susan fixes her shit. This is unbearable.
>>15810946There is a decent chance that she wont.
>>15806976What, no. Only time she ever talked about it was when Virtual Economist asked her about it and it was something that surprised him for being exceptionally high.
>>15810946>until Susan fixes her shitSee you in your next incarnation.
>>15810946New normal, sorry
>>15810893That's every 5 min anon...
wait room was 1.6k, almost immediately surpassed it as opposed to >>15810923It seems that chat activity helps a lot
>>15810568All it takes was to set premium holders or more than a year old account as unflaggable. These pajeets.
Doesn't Matsuri average pretty respectable numbers whenever she pulls this gacha shit? I remember a while ago she was at like, 20k views.
>>15810988it coul also be torusits since it is a gacha stream roboco had a similar one sandwiched between 2 culled ones.it still could be they are both getting culled, last matsuri gacha and roboco gacha last year were 8k average
This is a fucking disaster, the 2-3 big name retards who actually stream on Youtube and aren't chubas are barely affected by this, and they're the ones youtube will actually listen to.The only, only, ONLY hope is that Cover and Anykara are actually talking to youtube about it.
I'll fucking grudgepost every one of you who asked for a cure for numberrot pre-christmas you fucks. I can't even look at this thread the same anymore. I despise it. I despise susan for cucking Coco out of that sweet 500k even when there's like 200k waiting in her graduation room.
>>15811043This is by design.
I woke up from a dream where the pajeets noticed and fixed the issue, and removed the 2020 cull too. The numbers were so high bros..
>>15811043if this "flagging" is working as we think it is, they will eventually be affected to (unless they are manually whitelisted) because their viewers are also there only watching that kind of streamers, as there's not enough variety yet to make them watch different stuff (considering they don't like vtubers of course)
>>15811080I mean, there's a big likelyhood Susan cucked Coco out of a literal million CCV, anon. Seriously, don't discount the 2020 cull.
>>15811043there is also another option. once pekora or someone else get in the top females streamer award, they will get congratulated by the community manager of youtube gaming i forgot his name.Thats when fans should mention what is happening.
>>15811080>Shitty pajeet coding prevented a 500k chuuba streamI'm with you. I'm still salty about that.
>>15811043All it needs is someone from EN to take up the numberfagging challenge and stream on both twitch and Youtube, then compare the results, send it to Youtube themselves because their livestreaming platform is shit now because the real targets were kpopfag bots and other streams were hit by stray fires
>>15811101We don't all think the reason is the same.I personally think that asians and 3rd worlders like spics are now counted as half a viewer
>>15811101the big problem is there just arent enough big streamers on youtube for this to be a problem yet, there are a lot of channels that use boxpush but theyre all uploaded or at best premiered vods
>>15810117why is the blowback from the numbers high so brutali hate this
>>15811043Youtube has a long history of ignoring any and all complaints (perks of having a near monopoly) i would not be surprised if they literally send the two companies to voicemail and never acknowledge the issue. And should the two try and take it to litigation, alphabet would annihilate them so hard it'll end up in the history books.
>>15810852could you try commenting in one after not being counted as a viewer? that might "clear you" from being a spam viewer not asking you to make another video or even disclose what stream you are watching, I believe in your test
>>15810650>and make Ludwig-kun look better.Funny thing is he'll probably go back to Twitch 2 years later
>>15811137YeahMiko's random Minecraft stream on twitch was a big factor in proving that the original 2020 cull was real. We need another twitch gaming stream preferably from one of the heavy hitters (Gura, Miko, Pekora).
>>15810937In 2019, Markiplier had many of his viewers Google accounts terminated for emote spam by the AI. Their entire gmail/youtube/etc accounts were locked out until he made a video that went viral about the problem and someone manually reverted all the bans.Never overestimate Google devs.
>>15810651>probably>I think>no proofFuck off retard
>>15811153Hope they get a mass exodus then.I knew youtube was incompetent by fucking hell they have surpassed themselve the past few month
>>15811212PekoMiko reunion. 6 digits easy.
If you guys are so concerned about bias against japanese streamers why doesn't someone check if Ludwig/Disrespekt/Tim//Valkyrae are being affected?
>>15802706It's better if they do a dual-stream/cast deal with twitch cause twitch might like the extra attention and kneel for them since twitch itself needs more money lul.>>15803188yes you can, only reason no one does is cause it's good for growth and making connections to climb. There isn't much reason to do it.
>>15810937They're out of touch fuckers. I'm not surprised.
>>15811219If they already fucked up in regards to emote spam once like that, I don't think they'd make the same mistake again when it comes to emote spam.Didn't people here basically showed how they were being culled and they likely didn't spam any emotes?
>>15811260>why doesn't someone check if Ludwig/Disrespekt/Tim//Valkyrae are being affected?Did you miss the past 3 threads? It's what everyone was doing.They aren't.
>>15811260they dont have aneough streams after the 25 to give a consensusludgiwg was really low these few days he broke that curse today with some react content and buying things from ads that were sent by viewers
>>15810910https://streamable.com/s1wuij just typing in notepadhttps://streamable.com/tqqqoa playing a game
>>15811141Honestly, if you could actually demonstrably prove this you could probably resolve the problem a lot more easily. No one wants to be mathmatically proven to have discriminated against non-whites, not even YT.
>>15811248Nigh impossible, firstly there are no real alternatives to youtube. Plus youtubes links to the greater google infastrucutre means its to convienent to leave.
>>15811248Sad truth is the entire tech industry is dysgenic. They keep hiring barely competent Pajeets at the bare minimum cost and those Pajeets job is to try and duct tape the code together as long as possible.It's like Warhammer where they've lost the ability to create new technology and can only just barely maintain what they have since the knowledge of competent white programmers is lost to a bygone era.
>>15811334you spend too much time on /g/ if you really believe that
What if the viewers are reverified if they're consistent enough watchers of a streamer's stuff?Who's done enough streams to now look healthy? Pekora is still culled but she was inclining back up with every stream, no? Aki's back to her average 1k+, Roberu seems to have never been hit
>>15811293theyve probably completely turned over the team of pajeets in charge of that side of the business since then
>>15811322What are his usual numbers? I thought he did decently when he collabed Ironmouse but maybe he was carried by Ironmouse viewers watching both streams.
>>15811327Thanks. It seems like having the sound off is a bigger factor than not having the browser highlighted.
>>15811365Doesn't explain how Watame's numbers have been slaughtered, considering how parasocial the relationship between her and watamates are.
>>15811365>Aki's back to her average 1k+>Arki>Ark>1k+Anon, that's her buff content. On normal circumstances, she'd be well over 2.5k, and some of her ark streams have gone well above 3k.t. Rosetai
>>15811379He does decently. His numbers are usually in the 20k-30k, but sometimes fall as low as 15k (give or take a few thousands). His numbers since Christmas were mainly in the 15k range except one stream, but today he got high number again, so it's hard to say whether those 15k CCV streams were affected by the cull, or if he isn't affected yet and those just happened to be some of his less popular streams. Probably the latter.
>>15811365>Pekora is still culled but she was inclining back up with every stream, no?No. She played buffed content for a while and had average to below average CCV. Then she did a normal talk/unboxing stream and it got way below what her floor should be for that. Then she did a massive event stream that was like 20k-30k or maybe more below what it should have been and appeared to be looking at VOD views.
>>15811327very strange, you are being counted as a viewer regardless if you are or not focused in the stream
>>15811480>ARK is Aki's buff contentRosetai..I'm sorry
>>15811365Aki averaged 3k+, not 1k+. You are massively underestimating her. Even her median was 2.5k
>>15811463Roberu not effected at all.
Matsuri
i dont understand why gachafags continue to give money to matuli
>>15811491Yeah I noticed the same when I tested it. I literally minimized the browser window and did other stuff and I was still counted as a viewer. It's possible the whole tab out thing is a mobile only issue perhaps?
>>15811365Ark is Aki's buff content and she's still well below her normal numbers. I know she's considered a midget but it was rare for Aki to go below 2k prior to December
When's the next Suzie Karaoke? Gura's got one on the 9th, they get somewhat similar numbers and are very consistently high as fuck for non event streams, they should be very good data points.
>>15811513If it makes you feel better about the thought, her (rare) Minecraft streams and her singing peak even higher, so it's not like she doesn't have other options, she's just a low tier Holo that does her own thing.
>>15811582If gura kareoke drops below 10k then maybe the average chumbud normie might wake up.
>>15811622That's not happening with the current numbers. Gura's had 2 non event streams since the cull:Minecra at 17k, DBD at 13k, both which show a several thousand view cull but nothing quite like that.She might fail to break 30k though, or even 20.
>>15811670>She might fail to break 30k though, or even 20.She got 32k on the 27th, so unless the cull is actually getting more and more severe this seems unlikely.
>>15811751that was the end of the relay + the big announcement buff thoughwill see on the 9th
CCV is way lower than last time, but at least the SCs are still consistent.
Either this is fixed in a week or every holo has a twitch account by mid February The only reason they didn't before is, they'd get lower numbers and it would look badLower numbers that are higher than the CCV is displaying looks goodCover has no exclusivity contract andSome pajeet or seadog codejunky is going to be ruined for letting it get that bad, because IS management is the most lacking profession on the planet right now. I will enjoy imaging how he kills himself afterwards
>>15811751That was a buff karaoke at the end of a relay, with an announcement.But it also had some debuffs like being way out of her normal time zone, and a NYE stream.
>>15811788No she had one five days before New Year's, this one: https://holo.poi.cat/stream/QTqzg3_tl0M32k on the 27th, and ~34k on New Year's prior to the announcement that boosted her to 36k.
>>15810505AmazingExcellent website, Susan
>>15811824The numbers don't really affect how much money they make, that's from superchats and merch. If one of them really cares about the numbers they will try streaming on Twitch though.
>>15811792yes, SC is on track to be another hit>>15811815all bots
>>15811872>numbers don't matter I know you're an idiot but we're talking about a multi million dollar business with the ability to grow into one of Japans biggest entertainment corporations with a global presence Numbers fucking matter
>>15811872Sponsorships. SC and merch are nothing compared to sponsorships.
>>15811872Doesn't it affect their ad revenue? Less views = less ads being served + less premium revenue. And Youtube Premium users seem heavily affected by this
weren't yesterday's main Pokemon tournament stream numbers alright?
>>15811979It's alright, but it's fucked. Should be more than 70k ccv last night.
>>15811872>The numbers don't really affect how much money they makeThe corporate entertainment industry (pretty much anyone not indie) runs by the numbers for the numbers. Any perceived failing is enough to get someone shit canned.
>>15811327Wait I have an idea, can you watch 1 stream but use 2 tabs? One for the premium account and one for the fresh account.
>>15811872>So what are your metrics? If I sponsor you how many views can I expect my product to get?>Lets not worry about that, look at how many superchats we get!>Uhhhh, that's great but what I'm really interested in is the exposure my product will get in return for my sponsorship>Check out how many Nendroids we sold last year!Numbers matter anon.
>>15811979wait room had 40k waiting
>>15811954The thing here is they don't get less views, only ccv
I mean...yeah the numbers matter but we already saw them witness the 2020 Cull and do jack shit.Why would this be different?
I’m happy that CCV faggot are getting screwed.It’s time for us VOD bro to shine
Spic schizo woke up. Abandon thread.
>>15812078at 3 AM? damn dedication
>b-bu-bu-bu-but what about--I see that SEA is well awake now...
>>15809973Yeah, a bunch of the accounts watching part 1 got flagged as bots so they didn't count for part 2.
>>15811979>8k extra ccv compared to https://holo.poi.cat/stream/w8ay49uBKNc>more than double the viewcountNah it wasn't
No one brought this up? It's numbers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gmkkanw1po
ok so WHO doesnt get affectedi think tat is the easeir question
>>15812162streamers whose audience aren't considered by a bot by JewTube
>>15812162Gookmoot
>>15812162Unironically homostars and NijiEN males
are premieres being affected?