/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

I will literally never complain about numberrot again

Man, the catalogue is an absolute mess. Not that many of us didn't expect this once we saw the numbers go out, and faggots who have no idea wtf is going on are biting like mad.

This seems like a new response

Do you guys remember when this used to be
>24k Nijinoon
>23k Gura DBD
and people would be crying about Holos losing gold to Nijis, while others would be saying "It's alright, Pekora's streaming tonight. Easy 30k."

Feels like literally a few weeks ago.

Do you guys track clipping numbers

Bros, why are we leaking so bad? Half the catalogue is swamped in our taint.

>>15801340
Anon every fucking thread that's not some kind of general is a bait thread on /vt/.

>>15801418
what the fuck man
these numbers are actually depressing the shit out of me

>>15800417
>>15800550
I only explained underlying context in what was being asked. I don't really have a horse in this race.
Also I heavily doubt such a significant proportion of viewership consists of Youtube Premium holders.

>>15801406
no, they've used that response before. they don't recognize external tracker data.

>>15801406
Of course support would be told to say 'third party tools aren't reliable' even though they've reliably been pulling from the API for years.
This shit is here to stay people, unless multiple Hololive members lean on them on Twitter and/or behind the scenes.

>>15801440
There is literally only 5 number threads right now.

>>15801340
It's effortless bait. And while faggots talk about just watching streams, chuubas stream for numbers. Some of them must be feeling like shit now and fans reflect their oshi.

>>15801418
LOL how do we save Gura?

>>15801406
Only YouTubers themselves should be talking with @TeamYouTube

>>15801440
We've been lousy with shitposters for months anon, its just this latest batch of culls are way too juicy for any of dem faggots to ignore.

>tfw the final yab was youtube culling numbers

>>15801541
>Sir, you are not showing us the YT Application numbers
>WTF you can't show YT analitic numbers, Sir, you are now BANNED, I'm calling the police *sirens in the background* WE ARE COMING FOR YOU SIR

>>15801552
>only

so ccvfags btfo. vod views and watchtime are the new meta now

>>15801440
Let them have their mental victory, anon. It's the only way for the to taste anything resembling it

>>15801637
how does changing the CCV can't change total views or view time? they are literally coming from the same source

>>15801418
It wasn't too long ago when in this Bae/IRyS collab Bae would have like 12k since she started first and IRyS would have around 8k. Take me back.

>>15801253
predictable

>>15801637
Watchtime is based on CCV.

>>15801418
call lastsamuraischizo he's crying

>22k likes
>9.8k viewers

Can any real Nijifags provide any plausible reasons why this batch of the Niji noon show is doing so much worse than the last batch?

Yesterday's was 16k and it was already the lowest one on record. Today, it managed to "beat" that and peak at 14k.

Is it the guests/the content...etc?
At least with streamers, it can be game choice or overlap, but there's no reason for a variety show to lose literally 10-20k of it's audience without something drastic happening.

>>15801593
Yeah, good luck with that. Holos will never tweet these kinds of shit because Cover is retarded. They prefer to do it behind the scenes like any other retarded jap company. YT is not a jap company, the meta is different. Holos should force them to make an official statement by tweeting it publicly.

>>15801699
Youtube would know what the *true*, unadjusted CCV for a stream is, and that value would be different than the one that we the users (and the chuubas) would be provided.

>>15801759

I remember the day in December 2020 when the numbers I routinely saw every day I watched a stream suddenly dropped by 1/3rd across the board

>>15801770
internal ccv is unaffected
did they respond to that premium user one on how the watch time is not affected?

>>15801850
>that chart
No waiting room cull?

When I sit back and think about it the entire concept that something as niche as virtual anime girls could routinely get tens of thousands of live viewers is kind of ridiculous.

Perhaps this is for the better and really is more accurate.

>>15801637
I will keep doing the watch time then lol
Btw, Gura's stream is at 11.2 min/view which makes me believe that she isn't being culled

zombros... we got too cocky...

>>15801923
>more accurate
Stop coping. YT is really crap. None of what we saw is true numbers ever since last year

>>15801920
Nijisanji isn't getting culled. They are just legitimately reclining, lol.

>>15801770
That's only the external websites. YouTube tracks watch time internally on a VOD-basis and it's only visible to the channel itself.

>>15801637
So if this phenomena is here to stay, we're most likely giving the top positions of most watched female vtuber/content creator to Vshojo right? Those charts are based on avgCCV * Hours streamed.

>>15801970
She's 100% being culled, she's never gotten as low as 10k for DbD. This is one of those games she's gotten up to 27k by herself post 2020 cull.

>>15801850
Japan's new year holidays ended yesterday
Although schools are still on holidays most social slaves are back to their labor today

>>15801418
Jesas, that's making me want to open an incognito tab for the nijis

>>15801848
>Started streaming 3 hours ago

I hate Susan so fucking much

>Petra almost certainly has 4k real viewers right now
Robbed

>>15802003
Kanae, rosemi....

>>15802003
now THIS is good bait

>>15801860
Coco did tag YouTube directly but that was after months of harassment and she always was the member least willing to take shit lying down.

>>15801637
So this is final.

>>15801908
>>15802033
>internal ccv
Irrelevant, unless they actually start sharing that data. Currently, any watchtime chart you see is calculated with publicly available data, i.e. fucked up data.

>>15802081
is better than the bait from the past thread, that much i admit, but is still overall bad bait

>>15801848
Good job Susan detecting all the viewbots leaving a like.>>15801850

https://reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/rv0cbv/there_is_something_really_wrong_with_how_youtube/

>>15801923
I'd believe this rrat if it wasn't for the polls and likes.
At this point explaining the CCV vs Polls, Likes and VOD numbers requires that you label the other 3 as bugged or come up with retarded shit like highly trained ninja squads that immediately open a stream to vote and leave.

>>15800240
I actually was just coming to postulate something like this. Don't have Youtube Premium, never membered, subscribed to 2 Holos, 2 Nijis, 2 small corpos, never created a channel to comment, usually but not always leave a like. Firefox with Disconnect and DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials on all this time. I tested on some 0views and found out:

With adblock and without logging in, it looks like I count for about 10 seconds.
Without adblock and without logging in, it looks like I count for about 30 seconds.
With or without adblock, but logged in, I count as a viewer. Tabbing out doesn't seem to affect anything, but I didn't test yet with multiple videos playing (because I don't do that myself).

While counted as a viewer when logged in, I noticed that there was a "waiting room cull" happening even on those 0 view streams all of which had been going on when I joined. For a nature cam that had been going on since the 1st of November, the issue was solved within a minute. But for a game stream that had started a couple of minutes prior, it seemed to take longer, but I couldn't be sure, because there might have been some others joining to watch as there were some random bumps; on a stream that had gone on for 13 hours the cull time seemed closer to the nature cam. However, I realized this just now and should be going to sleep so I wasn't able to investigate it properly. It would make sense if bigger streams take more time to process, but also longer streams already have been through the viewers or else are already in the database somehow that I'm too tired to figure out. It could also be that I got culled when I wasn't logged in, and was just too impatient as I somehow didn't think of this possibility. I'm also tired and maybe spewing shit, but for what it's worth if someone wants to pursue this thread while I sleep.

>>15801873
Yea. It'd be the one used for things like premium payouts etc.
If this is deliberate and not soleone's stupid pet project gone awry, then the main motivation would be to reduce the appearance of how preveleant Chubbas are on the platform without actually affect the real metrics. Unfortunately this would STILL fuck with some of the so it's not great.

>>15801850
The lineup is super weak and most people are not on new years holiday anymore

>>15801785
That retard was strutting around claiming that EN already had it's cull in 2020 so they'd be immune to this one. Nice to see he got BTFO

>>15802144
Go back.

>>15801860
Big youtubers and corporations have managers so they don't need to use Twitter

>>15802040
anon, she gets 17k on her most recent solo dbd streams

>>15801850
Leos and maybe Ars is the only one who would attract viewers in this episode. No one cares about the other ones

noon show numbers.

>>15802211
>>15802175
Only is getting 2k less than Lize and Kenmochi from yesterday.

>>15801699
I wouldn't be surprised if the mechanism for tracking total views and the mechanism for tracking CCV were entirely separate.

Reminder this is affecting everyone and no one on youtube is safe. It's a matter of time if you think you're safe.

Fuck this I'm hacking Google

>>15801848
BUT THE CULL ALREADY EXISTED IT WAS ONLY AFFECTING EN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15802193
No

>>15801593
What about quarterpounder?

>>15802141
>open stream
>drop like
>watch for 5 minutes
>get bored
>leave
truly a mystery

>>15802144
Hopefully they keep the energy up for this since Cover might actually address it publicly if they do.

Google has fairly unique tech culture from what I've heard. The employee review system they have incentives building new things, rather than maintaining old ones. Google constantly pushes out new apps and features that eventually the one rockstar dev responsible for 90% of the commits abandons and they stop maintaining them. I'd not be surprised if the whole spam bot culling was a feature implemented by a single dev that wanted to implement something new that looked good on their review.

Reminder that Ame's stupid twitch music bot she doesn't even advertise is beating 50% of holos in CCV
>>15801116

So when do we storm youtube hq and start taking hostages and making demands?

>>15802036
Thottery is an accepted thing for westerners, so yes.

>>15802259
>Hisui, Luis, and Naruse tomorrow
holy shit it's actually going to be another new low.

>>15802436
Imagine losing to a dog.

>>15802400
Yes I always leave a like on streams I don't even bother to watch.

I've never liked a single video in my entire life.

>>15802259
Expecting 10-12k tomorrow.

>>15802400
all me, all thousands of them
all me

>>15801997
Iofi tier

>>15802268
Lize herself isn't that much of a pull and we already saw their pairing earlier in the week anyway. That being said I did expect better numbers.

>>15802417
Can confirm, i worked as a contractor in google for a couple of years. Was so much fun constantly having to reorient into working with new apps/spreadsheets/etc that were barely different than old ones (if not outright worse) just so some retard could get a good review

>>15802144
I tried posting something there but I need karma, what is that and how do I get it?

>>15802203
Alright sure, keep denying it. It's just a coincidence she's getting sub DMC numbers on one of her buff games right after the cull. Genuinely are you a shitposter or you believe this shit?

>>15802512
a lot of people do
likes are pretty fucking meaningless

>>15802468
Lize and Yashiro’s backs are gonna break after carrying tomorrow’s episode

>>15802400
Yes, because we've seen this type of "Likes > peak" behavior for JP vtubers too in the past year.

You fucking retard.

>>15802559
Yes, we already gathered as much from the fact taht you post in this thread

>>15802647
Glad we're in agreement

>>15802468
they need ange or kuzuha lol. preferably kuzuha so we can compare kanaes summer numbers.

Move to Twitch already, HoloEN. Stream part-time. God, Cover is being stupid again that they don't recognize a larger streaming platform after they became Global. Why the fuck are they still letting EN be on Youtube, when they could just upload clips from twitch then upload on their channel? or just upload the whole VOD.

>>15802675
Unfortunately, Kuzuha probably doesn't wake up early enough to show up on Nijinoon kek

>>15802314
NO NOT CHARZU!!! She is too precious. How can youtube screw with her.

>>15802259
>numbers drop of a cliff
>niji get normal numbers guys!

>>15802632
>likes are pretty fucking meaningless
Kek, Likes are literally more useful for the youtube algorithm than CCV newfag
Why do you think year old Gura VODs still get pushed onto recommendations?

>>15802787
Their cliff isn't as steep and they aren't getting the waiting room bonk. Only an idiot wouldn't see something going on but it is way worse for hololive than anyone else.

>>15802706
They need to do something FAST, even if it is a quick test, Migo, Pego, I beg you, just to prove that you can get previous numbers on the other platform

>>15801637
Damn youtube are delusional ,
What the fuck is this.That's why premium account dont show huh?Its a fucking lottery

>>15802787
Who are you quoting?

>>15802706
Youtube still offers a lot of advantages Twitch doesn't. The reality is that even with all the fuckery Cover is still making more money from ads, Youtube Premium, Superchats and Memberships than they ever could on Twitch.

>>15802706
>Begging for a Twitch migration
Fucking Susan+ Veibae really did a number on this thread.

>>15802512
I mean.... I do. Especially if it's on a stream that's not doing well and I really wanna do something else.

>>15802845
Did YT ever reply to that guy again?

>>15802193
To where? /HERE/? /here/ is much worse. At least over there stupid baits can be point and laugh at instead of getting bitten by idiots

>>15802628
Anon I believe she is getting culled, I'm just saying that she doesn't get 27k on dbd anymore

>>15802852
probably the one anon from last thread who was saying "those numbers look good, strong even" when shown some recent niji streams that should had gotten higher viewers

>>15802706
Honestly they really need to bit by bit we need one holoEn to take the first step, if Youtube want to be little bitch about it let them lose the Hololive money

>>15802626
It's up votes, you need at leadt a hundred and your account needs to be more than 28 days old. Blame the chinks
Just hang around in /r/virtualvtubers posting fanart or something until you get that

>>15802626
Getting upvote, also you lose karma if someone downvote you.

>>15802958
They stop replying to the same account after a while and never reply back, the nip that started complaining hard this year no longer gets replies and he shows new evidence every time

>>15802706
>XQcow has raided you with 80k viewers
>uh-huh t-thanks, poggers
Kys and stay in twitch

>>15802989
>I'm not saying I'm just saying.

So did ENs get culled twice while JPs only got culled once or did EN just recline before both sides of the ocean got culled

Speaking of numbers. Is this one culled too?

What provisions does Twitch have for a streaming company that wants to use their platform anyway? I think it's almost entirely individual streamers. Would Cover be able to negotiate directly or would each Holo have to do it individually?

>>15803047
Can't you disable raids? It's just that twitchfags would never do that

>>15803138
so far the only one EN that got culled very hard is IRyS

>>15801637
this wouldve gain traction if the niji jops join in the twitter shit but unfortunately they don't believe the "cull" the holofags spouting.

>>15801418
>these are the only 2 streams above 10k for today so far

>>15803040
We need multiple account complaining about it,I dont have a twitter account yet but shut I might make one just to complain about these fucking retard.
Is that their genius way to try bringing more streamer to their platform?

Youtube still hasn't done anything about the subscriber cull right

>>15803218
this is a really sad way to put it...

>>15803183
Cover has already negotiated directly with Twitch considering every Holo who made a Twitch account got monetization straight away.

>>15802626
Upboats. Just comment on some specific game subreddit and you will get it easily

>>15803200
Bae has 40% of her regular Minecraft viewers. EN absolutely was hit hard.

>>15803200
Gura not being able to get above 13k with DBD means she's been hit hard too. If the pattern holds then she'll get even worse numbers next time because a chunk of her "Gura only" fanbase just got culled as well

>>15803183
yeah its entirely possible to negotiate with Twitch, and since you deal with an actual human when you do then doing it on a company basis is not hard barring Japanese autism
I don't have any examples of companies with multiple streamers but plenty of celebrity brands get partnership through asking, without meeting any requirements or requiring live exclusivity. Heck even Projekt Melody did it.

>>15803228
I'm thinking there is a disconnect between the pajeet coders and the business division. Happens all the time in big companies

>>15803138
Both can be true.
I don't think any reasonable person can say EN hasn't declined AT ALL since their Dec 2020 numbers.

For example, Ame isn't pulling 20k viewers for her DK or GoTG streams if she ends up with less than 100k VOD views after a 3 hour stream.
However, there are streams like Gura's NY stream that ended with 600k VOD views and is clearly not a 24k CCV peak stream.

>>15803200
Bae too.

3k on a prime time Minecraft stream is extremely low even if you account for her overlapping with Gura.

>>15803243
Worst,for them thing work as intended

>>15803228
Super chat Kiara to do it instead. YouTube doesn't listen to randos.

>>15803038
>>15803039
>>15803260
ogay, apparently got an old acc linked to my mail but never bothered to post, will do

>>15802623
sounds like a shit place

>>15803324
For a company the size of Cover they'd probably get a dedicated contact who deals with with them only as well I suppose.

>>15794235
Got curious so decided to look through all the JP channels and pull together a list of streams with over a million views (excluding Songs, ASMR streams and Debuts).

CAM ON IRYS...IM HAVING A STROKE I WAS ENJOYING IRYS GROWTH MONTHS AGO

too bad twitch pay less than meta and google kek bezos
>https://www.svg.com/667276/the-real-reason-disguised-toast-left-twitch-for-facebook/
>Disguised Toast pointed out that Twitch is known for offering the least amount of money in terms of signed contracts. According to the streamer, YouTube Gaming and Facebook offer anywhere from double to triple Twitch's numbers.

>>15801637
It’s over…

Twitch benefits
>numbers
>game permissions (?)
Downsides
>the whole culture around that platform
>goobai karaoke (?)
>less cut from donations/memberships (big orgs can negotiate a better cut)
you can still upload VOD's to YT after 24 hours

>>15803395
That's what happens when you hire for the sake of hiring. It seems very prevalent in modern tech companies. They end up with more people than what is needed.

>>15803138
>So did ENs get culled twice while JPs only got culled once
this is the new cope? cool

>>15802268
Lize is not the point of the show, she and Shellin have been MCs the entire time.

>>15803472
>All those big events and collabs
>Marine Undertale G Route sitting near the top
Marine strong

>>15803490
why did he come back to twitch then?

>>15803503
Twitch will surely impose a minimum stream requirement to them. Holoen are lazy fucks tho, goodluck with that.

>>15803582
He got his money he doesn't need any more

>>15803503
>Your viewership may spill to others causing them to incline

>>15803600
doesnt twitch recquire you to stream 7-8 hours per day? The only EN holo that could pull it off consistently is kiara and even then she doesnt stream that amount all the time

this thing will only keep expanding for worse, the AI will eventually flag EVERYONE as a spam viewer and the platform will die, it's a self-feeding cycle

>>15803490
>In terms of signed contracts
Irrelevant because Cover won't be signing any exclusivity contracts. Twitch and Youtube wouldn't even be able to afford to if they wanted. Hololive as a group has over 2 billion views across all their channels in 2021, if a shitter like Ludwig got 30 million then Hololives worth to a platform is 50x that.

This is a new response and have to admit, it's pretty funny

>>15803759
kek

>>15803759
>Nihonngo

Was scrolling teamyoutube's twitter and saw this
This is a thing now?
I never got it myself

>>15803503
I know we're hating on Susan right now but a massive downside is lack of discovery algo and lack of clipper ecosystem. Twitch clips are in no way comparable to the black hole of clips on YT.
Of course they can link their Twitch from YT (or having clippers do it) but every time you try to move someone off platform 90% just won't do it.

>>15803472
Add the two Gura streams and I think that is it.

Debut Stream - 4,719,109
First Outfit Reveal - 2,162,397

Massive props to Miko and Korone for the 24 hour event. Its obvious they put a ton of work into it and all the work paid off with the huge viewership numbers they got. Smashing success.

>>15803759
>nihonngo
>日本ん語

>>15803759
Since they don't accept 3rd party sites (that ironically get data from their API), looks like we can only rely on screenshots.
Good thing we have lots of them.

>>15803821
Would be even better had them not been culling...

>>15803802
Is our only hope the YT intern vtuber fan?

>>15803805
Every popular Twitch streamer has a dedicated YT channel to clips and Twitch highlight channels are pretty much the norm, nothing will change that, in fact, that might even incentivize clipping twitch to YT

Assuming a bot is replying and not an actual poor PR intern using the YT Twitter account

How much do we need to fucking break it and make it spout random nonsenses

>>15803821
>I think that is it.
Wait what...
Gura has over 30 VODs with 1 mil views...

>>15803824
No, if you type "nihonngo" with IME you got 日本語

>>15803804
It does, when I'm studying I regularly have random songs playing on youtube and after a while the songs stop playing and I have to tell YouTube that I'm still there. Don't know why YouTube can't fix it honestly

>>15803503
>numbers
only EN benefits that and we have yet to see them stream if they get less, same youtube numbers, 10% - 20% increase, or x2.
>game permissions
they are a Japanese company, those nips are strict af when it comes to IP.

>>15803805
It would need to be a slow process. Just switching one day is going to leave a massive chunk of viewers behind, like every other big name streamer who has cut and run for money. They'd need to train their viewers by scheduling 1 stream a week on Twitch and getting them used to watching over there, then slowly ramp up the number of streams on Twitch over time

>>15803904
2M+ VODs.

>>15803904
>>15803821
>All the JP Channels
Anons, that's a JP only list no?

>>15803686
No? I watch mainly twitch and I've never heard of any stream time requirement, let alone one that high

>>15803804
It fucking sucks sometimes when I listen to music after like 5 songs it stops and asks you

>>15803637
Twitch could supercharge Hololives box pushing strategy if the only raid each other. Imagine the funnel strategy when you can force Pekora's viewers all onto Mel at the end of her stream.

>>15803915
Yeah, I see them still asking for game permissions even on Twitch.

>>15803884
It's usually like this
>[user] Question
>[yt] Bot AI automated reply
>[user] replies with something more, something that could be seen as "not satisfied with the prev. answer"
>[yt] Intern that knows a handful of topics, asking for details
>[user] drops details
>[yt] "We will look into this" or "Send a request using this link"

>>15803933
Ahh so that's what Pikamee is up to

>>15804034
cant risk it when atlus went nuclear on twitch streamers years ago
https://kotaku.com/twitch-and-youtube-streamers-slam-persona-5s-video-poli-1794039504

I want the cull to go way worse this week, maybe up to 90%. The majority of vtuberfags are still in denial or completely ignorant, they need a wake up call.

>>15804034
Permissions autism has nothing to do with Youtube. Japanese companies need to do it to protect themselves from litigation. Doesn't matter where they stream, unless Cover has written permission from the publisher to stream the game they can't stream it or else they risk another Holocaust.

>Gura usually consistently gets 9-11k viewers to listen to her ramble/read SCs
>Getting only 6k today
It's shoddy math, but if I were to guess, I would say she had 3-4k culled today, which would put her in line with her recent DBD numbers in regards to peak.

>>15803915
holo JP numbers. 18k avg, 20k peak playing Minecraft. slightly better than what shes getting on youtube rn.

>>15803904
VODs that have hit 2 million is what we are talking about. I brought it up because the Miko and Korone 24 hour streams are both already above 2 million. It turns out that is a very very rare thing in Hololive so both Miko and Korone killed it with that event.

>>15804237
actually the best scenario, if it gets real bad they might actually have to do something, otherwise we will have to suck it up like ensharts did a year ago

>>15804237
don't worry, the marika tourney will get the rest of the holo tourists flagged this week

>>15804237
Imagine if Kuzuha started streaming to under 10k people. That would get a big reaction

>>15804289
The killer/not killer fluctuations are about 2k, but here it just kinda..went down stably.

>>15804334
Most of the racers will be at 1k and Suisei/Aqua will win with 10k CCV.

>>15804237
Imagine seeing a 3k ccv pekora stream, even the most dense holofags would realize something is up.

>>15804390
already happened kek someone post the moona king pic.

>>15804390
he better go sleep instead...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3TVNnwtvn8

>>15803218
>>15803249
I await the day we get an empty daily top.

>>15803997
tyler1 spoke about it in a recent interview he did for washingtonpost (I think, might have been some other burger newspaper) might just be exclusive to his contract though

>>15804027
yeah but that alone adds a lot of unnecessary tension, like people upset you didn't raid them over someone else

>>15804601
>yeah but that alone adds a lot of unnecessary tension, like people upset you didn't raid them over someone else
Just have the managers decide who gets raided then. Mene-chan sends a message "Yo send your viewers to X when you end". No fuss no muss. Makes a lot of sense for them to handle it since they'd be looking how to grow Hololive as a collective than just the cliques.

>>15804237
Please.
I want everyone to be sub 3k shitters ASAP so that no one can pretend to ignore the issue.

>>15804009
>Wants twitch's streaming audience
>Fucks it up
>Wants spotify's music streaming audience
>Fucks it up
Amazing, Susan

From the marika collab sana has the lowest vod by a decent margin. Didn't she get the highest peak

>>15803804
It's fucking annoying, Towa's youtube music playlist is long enough that it asks me once every time through.

>>15804390
He got only 8k in his last Alchemy Stars shill stream, but I guess we'll know for sure with his stream today.

Maimoto's stream last night showed more signs of decline than cull imo (VOD views are way lower than last year, didn't take too long to recover waiting room).

Lize got fucked for her costume and Kanae seems to be fucked and unfucked at random.

Kuzuha getting 14k for 3 straight streams is sus, but it could still be explained. (zatsu/zatsu/poker)
If he got 12-15k playing Apex, then there's no excuse that he's getting fucked too.

>>15803804
Fuck gooks for this. Viewbotting their kpop idols hours on end forcing YT to limit.

>>15804802
no i think watame was top toward the end

>>15804850
but isnt he playing LoL wild rift soon?

>>15803472
I would be interested in a list like this but for the asmr streams.

>>15804802
Watame scored the highest peak, but lower average
Still, she got less vod views than Polka with 1k less ccv

>>15804237
Unironically agree. It's frustrating trying to convince the normalfags that the cull is real.
I looked at the that Reddit thread someone linked a few threads back and it just pissed me off.
People were still talking about the 2020 number cull or just saying the low numbers are due to nips traveling home during christmas and new years or some other bullshit, with some posters (obviously from here) trying to convince them with graphs and screenshots.
No one pinged the main mod of the subreddit either by tagging the account.

>>15804853
I think it's more of a bandwidth saving measure on Youtubes side. Some people legit fall asleep when they have their playlist going and stopping it actually saves a lot of wasted bandwidth when you tally it all up. All comes down to the $$$ in the end.

>>15804237
A small price to pay for salvation.

>>15804945
>I heard people with adblock don't get counted so it's probably that

>>15804853
it's target to music listener like me that uses youtube proper rather than youtube's stupid music interface
i leave the music tab in the background pretty much all day

>>15804912
Yes, but I think he should still get above 10k for it. He did last time for something similar.
https://vrabi.ml/video/V83kLvF1rbE

>>15804601
It is a contract thing. Hololive has monetization on their accounts, yet they stream there once a month maybe for a watch along.

>>15804601
Contracted twitch streamers (basically the equivalent of what youtube did with ludwig) have streaming quotas (however these are negotiable and not stupidly outrageous like posters here like to think) and more importantly, ad quotas. They are required to run a certain amount of ads per hour.

>>15801253
Real schizos are thankfully few in number.

>>15804950
But it's so inconsistent sometimes it's 5 songs sometimes I Falls asleep and in the morning it's still going

clearly you are a bot if you only watch vtuber shit on youtube and not dude crashes ferrari after he purchased it on purpose! in trending.

>>15805347
It is literally impossible so many people are ONLY watching vtuber shit on youtube, anons. This is a dead end.

>>15803218
>Forgetting your new queen's 15K stream
Die.

>>15804945
You would see a dozen forms of cope before you see any actual rage, numbefagging is a bannable offence in most discords, and the user overlap is heavy. Most normies wont do shit until the talents themselves speak up.

>>15805268
The one time Pekora streamed Minecraft on Twitch she was top 5 on the entire site. If Hololive migrated the top 10 streamers on the site would all be Holos within a month.

>>15802259
This clearly shows that the cull is getting exponentially worse. It would be hilarious if Youtube doesn't react to this in any way and thus torpedoes it's whole livestreaming business because Holos and Nijis move to Twitch, when their CCV hits double digits.
Remember, before Vtubers exploded in 2020, Youtube Gaming was a literal joke that nobody watched. Youtube got too cocky, if they think they no longer need chuuba.

phony covers and original numbers, a bit outdated though
https://twitter.com/13_chima_oshi/status/1474107407827898369/photo/1
left to right, first row first:
chima, tsumiki (original), meichan, fuwa minato, rinu-kun, mafumafu, megaterazero, lauren, hoshimachi suisei, pmaru-sama, inui toko

>Gura holding 6k on a superchat
Man..how does it feel that these bad numbers are literally nigh unreachable for 80% of holos now (outside events and collabs with big fish)?

It seems like it was easier to match Gura's 10k superchat average before than it is to match her 6k now. Did JPs get disproportionately fucked this time around?

Will this take the gold for the worst live of the year? It's all debuff members (and Subaru)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UVUtXHOtV4

goodbye 100k+ total ccv wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Was obvious hours ago, but RIP Irys didn't get close to her waiting room in the end

>>15805481
Only if react meta dies and that will only happen if a corporation like Disney tells twitch to stop it

>>15805632
so the recquirement to be a mid-tier holo nowadays is passing the numbers on your waiting room?

>>15804571
Holy Shit, that will be legendary

or better yet, a winning streak from indies lmao

>YTers got fucked by the culling
>meanwhile nearly all twitch streamers that i followed (like 100+ of them), their number went up like 20-30%

>>15805617
Last year, I was saying how it was better to be a female in HoloJP than NijiJP simply because a 3D live is guaranteed 40-50k viewers twice a year, whereas a Nijifemale 3D live like is like 30k max.

This is karma for shittalking nijiniggers. I'm sorry.

>>15805646
>Cover agrees to migrate to Twitch on the condition that Twitch starts to control for copyright breaches and ban streaming Youtube videos
How much seethe would this cause?

Nui is holding the line at a strong 4.4k.

>>15805630
>the MK tourney will end up flagging the rest of the viewers because they will be watching multiple streams
>it will be all sub 10k for everyone
I really don't want to see the numbers of that day

>>15803138
Everybody got culled twice. As somebody who watched only JP streams in 2020, I distinctly remember the cull to many JP Holos, it was basically a flat reduction in numbers. EN got reduced by 50%, JP by 30%. This time it's like the cull is not a flat reduction. Instead, it's progressively growing at different rates, faster for JP, a bit slower for EN. Most likely, the more chuuba streams, the more their audience gets culled.

>>15805710
It would be fucking hilarious if twitch intentionally inflate their ccv to throw jab at YT.

>>15805738
>strong 4.4k.
god...these are dark times

>>15805617
Susan PLEASE!! I don't want to see my oshi get sub20k on her fucking 3D Anniversary stream!!!

>>15805738
>gacha
this would be 7k for her

>express dismay on the massive number cull anywhere else
>hurr fuck off numberfag who cares about numbers
The company. The people watching who will tune out without the hype. Artists, animators, translators, sponsors.
how can anyone interpret this as a good thing? It doesn't even give them comfier chats since the people are still there, just not "real" to youtube.

>>15805838
Did you only just realize the majority of /vt/ are retarded redditfags who use Global as a livestream chat room?

Gura
>talking about twitch
>I wonder if that's something that Hololive will do this year

I'm sorry numberfags, it's over

>>15805738
>>15805790
True, it's sad but nowadays getting 4k is fucking impressive already.

But my devil brain kind want to see a day without 10k before things go back to normal.

https://twitchtracker.com/usadapekora_hololive/streams/43239080797

>>15805817
I thought I was the only lunaito here

>>15802040
Honestly I can buy it. She's had a very poor showing for November/December with long breaks and cancelled streams. Her reclining would be expected.

the numbers look more real now imo, back then it looked like the popular holos mogged 99% of twitch

>>15805552
Suisei still getting 100k while Chima plummeted

>>15806021
>very poor showing for November/December with long breaks and cancelled streams
>literally a 23k median in Dec 2021
Did you even look at the numbers before posting this?

>>15806061
7.5/10 bait

>>15806095
I think he's trying to bait spic schizo but fortunately he's asleep right now.

>>15805817
I think luna will be ok. Well I have a feeling that she will do better than Towa in ccv (not vod). I get the feeling that the 24 hours stream might have done something to fuck with people accounts right before Towa's stream.

>>15806061
gura's chat speed doing sc reading and ending is faster than 99% of currently live twitch chat

>>15806125
he even just resetted his IP to look like a new poster, cute

Ok numberfags, I have a challenge for you. Estimate a girls' numbers based on the number of unique names in their chat. It's not a perfect measure, but it might expose someone who is having their views greatly inflated.

Like for example, if hololive actually is inflating their viewcounts, then across the board, all hololive members should have drastically fewer unique names in their chat as a proportion to their views

Susan... Pls stop

>>15806185
HoloID are 2views now...

>>15805838
Yup. Add to the list the the fact that if YouTube doesn't count the flagged viewers as engament, Hololive will eventually stop being recommended to other users. At that point if it doesn't get addressed, the girls will absolutely move to Twitch.

>>15805838
They rather ignore the problem than trying to solve it, that's how normalfags work. If you bring up that as a counter point they'll just find another excuse.

>>15805962
>On average, each viewer watched 55 minutes of the broadcast.
holy fuck what

>>15805838
The hype was never about just CCV only. Hololive popularity boom started when their CCV were in the few thousands range at best. Outside of CCV, every other singles metrics remain more or less intact. Subs? The same. VOD views? Nothing changed. CTR? We don't have access to it, but I presume nothing changed either. Viewers retention rate? Nope, the same. VTubers' popularities (be it Holo or Niji) aren't changing because of this cull - unless you are assume that a significant part of their viewers only watch their streams because they have big CCV. Sponsors, investors and advertisers have access to reports from corporations themselves, they don't check third party sites for data unless they have no other option.
Don't get me wrong, this cull suck and it's not a good thing. However, it's not something as bad as /#/ make it sounds like either. Most Holos, even those got hit hard af, are still streaming and laughing happily, and so are Niji (although the cull wasn't as bad for them). Until a bunch of corporate VTubers start showing concerns, /we/ can assume that this isn't such a big deal for them yet.

>>15806551
>n-no audiences just constantly join for 20 seconds and leave
The absolute state for all the cope trying to explain away Youtube's fuckery.

Mumei’s stream is peaking right now at around 4.6k views with 12k likes.

Cover and Anycolor do something onegai

>>15806085
Still remember when people would flaunt that Chima's cover would remain at the top

Just another normal views for Gura, easy 300k after a while...with that level of ccv...

>>15806153
anon, those accounts aren't going to get magically unfucked just for Luna's anniversary.

>>15806660
Is that good chink or bad chink

>12k average stream
>250k views right at the end
Riiiiiight

no bug according to niji jops

>>15806660
And those haven't even actually finished processing (youtube loads VODs videos across a few hours), this is an easy 500k.
Chumbuds have been telling you to look at the VOD numbers for a year anon. Ahead of the meta game.

>>15806678
Thinking about it, any anon with flagged acount should stop using that one for a while if possible. Just to see if the flagging is temporary or permanent.

>>15806685
>traditional chinese
Good. Can't use youtube in China anyways.

>>15806685
If you see 觀 (traditional) not 观 (simplified), the good one yeah.

>>15806551
just adding to this observation

https://twitchtracker.com/sakuramiko_hololive/streams/41050171677
>On average, each viewer watched 51 minutes of the broadcast.
Miko Minecraft when YT was down


https://twitchtracker.com/sakuramiko_hololive/streams/44832018365
>On average, each viewer watched 57 minutes of the broadcast.
Miko's watch party on 18 Dec

>>15806685
that's Taiwanese Chinese, not standardized mainland shit

>>15806551
Did you really believe the lie that Vtuber fans only watched like 5-10 minutes on average?

>>15806705
>all those (you)'s

>>15806705
Did they see what happened to Lize’s outfit reveal? She should’ve gotten way more

>>15806686
So this assumes that over the course of a 4 hour stream, the audience replaced itself 20 times over

We need Roboco or Nene to cry on stream again to get the attention needed

>remove dislikes
>cull ccv
>(You are here)
>remove likes
>remove ccv
>remove subs
>remove views
>become tv

>>15806551
>4~5 minutes average
huh, really makes you think

Hime isn't my oshi but I'm gonna feel like shit if she gets sub 20k during her anniversary live...

>>15806830
she look like larry david in a wig

Stream for you fucks to keep an eye on: Kuzuha upcoming PR. His PR numbers are usually abysmal and this is a double debuff being LoL.

>>15806789
it seems that niji JOPs on 5ch only care about the main channel and kuzuha

>>15806686
No fucking way you get 250k with 13k ccv

>>15806851
Well at least according to lunaito she doesn't care about numbers...

>>15806851
Don’t worry it’s not going to be sub 20k. It’s gonna be sub 10k. Thank Susan

>>15806851
Anon, this has a chance to stop at 10k and I'm not even joking

>>15806869
according to the norm that you established under the old system filled with botting

>>15806840
I think the habit on watching youtube and twitch is different, especially when you can tab out and still count as a viewer.

>>15806886
She never did, she likely left Nijisanji because her real friends are in Hololive
She collabed with Roboco and other holos as Moruru
I promise you, hime does whatever the fuck she wants and doesn't care if you watch but she appreciates it if you stick around

>>15806865
Incoming sub 5k KING

>>15806840
coco had 1 minute

>>15806851
Her birthday got 55k so assuming she would get that it would have to be a 65% cull

>>15806869
She got way more, remember youtube does that stupid shit with loading in the VODs slowly. Otherwise it won't explain the spike of 200k she's gonna get in the next few hours.

>>15806768
Those numbers just reinforce my thoughts that Hololive would completely dominate Twitch. To the point where it might not even be worth going over because you know the normies will absolutely seethe and start anti'ing when they're getting completely mogged by anime girls every day

>>15806865
>>15806945
Is LOL a debuff stream tho? I think he'll still get past 10k but not past 20k.
>He might also get some funnel from Amamiya's 3D (only a bit but he'll still get some)

>>15806580
Anon, it's literally all about perception. If Holos will be perceived to be unpopular, normalfags would stop caring about them for real.

>>15806798
I'm math retarded, this would mean that the audience is 100% replaced every 12 minutes right?

>>15805536
The thing is, there are literal statistics on how a lot of streamers are/were moving to youtube since Twitch not only is fucked up (due the whole hot tub saga). but also is all about cliques to get exposure.
Literally youtube fucking it's ccv is negative for the plattaform since it's live streaming feature has also been growing among the market.
I know some tribalists are saying Holos would move to twitch...but as you can fucking see most top twitch streamers are long time users of the plattaform and you wouldn't see stuff like someone growing like Uto or Holo X debut numbers if they moved there since Holo doesn't belong to any stablished clique but also is not like it would make any noticiable difference if we go by NijiEN. Also, I doubt managers would let them be part of any clique unless is for business related shit like Kadokawa with TT.
The vtuber clique in Twitch is still on it's early steps and Vshojo "growth" is because they have on their line...that's right, people who had been in the plattaform for a long time as vtuber (even before HoloEN)...but is up in the air if the growth will continue or they will be another code miko, ash of lol, etc.

>>15806580
Gura talked about it and she is the anti-numberfag. If she's taking notice you can bet it's on the radar for the managers.

I've never cared about numbers much before, but they are so fucked up I'm coming here just to see how bad it's gotten. Youtube really wants to try and kill streams they do not like.

Paradoxically, it looks so much worse on the big chuubas who still retain impressive audiences when the audience is halved.
I mean Pekora losing half is like "woah what the fuck". Aki losing half is like "oh bad day for streaming I guess".

>>15806551
So looks like my theory of "10 minute average watch time is only there because youtube doesn't count tabbed out viewers or some other youtube fuckery" is right

>>15806785
only outfit reveals because those are tourists magnets

>>15806798
I'm bad at math, but by these numbers, I assume which means a viewer watches this stream for 10mins average, with around 25 times of replacement.

>>15806906
>>15806911
This better not happen Susan, or else!

>>15807065
Anon if Hololive moved wholesale to Twitch, they'd be their own massive clique.

>>15806851
Only Subaru is the top-tier guest.
So if she'll be hit by Susan then her peak will be the waiting room numbers.
>barely got past 20k

>>15807015
No one wants to watch his LoL, you've all seen it, it does worse than his Valorant. Amamiya's 3D is a continuation of a recent show plus it's a premiere, not live.

>>15806865
>His PR numbers are usually abysmal
https://vrabi.ml/video/V83kLvF1rbE
It's hit or miss.
He got 28k with Naraka Bladepoint in September.

>>15807133
+ the randos trying to leech of that
they are protected on YT because it fucking sucks and no one wants to stream there and even less now

>>15807008
>the normies will absolutely seethe when they're getting completely mogged by anime girls every day
this would be the best result, i don't want sodapoppin nor any other shitter pretending to like hololive and leeching

>>15807008
Fucking this, the moment you become big on twitch streamers with more toxic chats start reacting to everything you do to the point you need to start some "friendship" or be viewed as the cringe side of twitch

>>15807135
Remember that subaluna is a buff

>>15806551
>>15806840
fumi from nijisanji

avg viewer time: 11:52
heres the stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAvJqPI7dvs
2 hours long stream

>>15807159
That stream was a collab AFAIK and this one you're linking was an entire tournament.

>>15806686
assuming chumbuds are as rabid as nousagis and 35ps and on average watches for 55mins as pointed out by >>15806768 and >>15806551
this was a 50k average ccv
that would be your twitch number equivalent

>>15807167
wrong pic, well, now that I posted that, how do (You) interpret this? specially the part that says
>After legitimate engagement events are counted, your metric count should update more often

>>15807133
Hololive is in practice already a clique (or at least holoEN is—from what I understand the JP branch is more likely to collab with people outside their company)

>>15807167
>+ the randos trying to leech of that
But these randos try to leech off them anyway? I don't understand what you think will happen, raids can literally be disabled.

>>15807036
>>15807111
Pretty close yeah.

>>15806840
Maybe it's due to how autoplay works? People get autoplayed streams. Or maybe this number is also bullshit. It feels stupid low, you would think that most people would keep watching if they consciously tune in to the stream.

>>15807222
Some EN girls want to branch out like Mori, Kiara, even Ina has touched base with Pikamee
Others like Gura or Amelia really have 0 interest outside their bubble of friends or the occasional JP/ID interaction

>>15807133
the thing is that twitch is not strong on Japan and that will affect the JP side, which is the most relevant for Cover, but I believe that a massive move, either from Holos or Nijis would cause a massive move from the users

>>15807202
There's no way the 6k people watching the superchat reading portion were getting replaced at 5 minutes intervals. so that's one thing to take into account

>>15807222
>the JP branch is more likely to collab with people outside their company
Not really, statistically speaking. They just have more members so you can point out to those that do. Kiara/Mori are 2/11 of EN and collab outside the company.

>>15806851
If Towa got 20k, Luna will get 10k.

>>15807302
The stream had 12-14k for most of it no?

>>15807186
if Hololive were to start streaming on twitch, I don't think they will interact with people outside of their "box" bar a few Holo members. their ecosystem is strong enough that they themselves can prop big numbers without outside help. instead, other people might try to break into that box and "leech" from them.

>>15806865
What number would it take for JOP nijikeks to believe in a cull? If he doesn't beat 3k, will they believe?

>>15807323
The average during the non-superchat section was 10-11k, I'd say.
The peak was 13701. The overall average was 9700 but Superchat tanked that one.

Might be some sign of false hope, but it doesn't look like Nui or Aki are being culled right now.

Nui getting 5.5k with Uma Musume main story is normal and Aki got past 1.2k for ARK.

Youtube is special for Hololive because their VODs are just youtube videos which in its self is convenient as can be and there is a fuck ton of VODfags

Twitch's VODs are still x1000 more inconvenient and which is why Twitch people literally open a twitch vod Youtube channel

>>15807202
keep posting i'm interested in copium overdose side effects

>>15805552
Suisei song legs are as impressive as always

>>15807331
That's the thing Anon you just can't fucking ignore people on twitch, they start shitty drama like that from raids or people jumping from chat to chat since it's easy on the same platform, The Gura X Sykkuno thing would have been way different if everyone was on twitch

>>15807375
As much as people joke about it Aki isn't a 1k streamer

>>15807410
i'll do more bad stats when i get a decent number for average unique chatters

>>15807420
>Suisei song legs
Agreed, suisei leg is sex

>>15807036
but if the average watch-time is 12 minutes, that would totally make sense, right? Also the bot-views are still adding to the viewcounter, just not the live view counter. So the viewcounter is inflated

Did a little messing around for my own curiosity. My vtuber watching account, active for years, many many superchats and memberships. Doesn't show as a viewer on zero ccv cam livestreams. Made a quick burner and that shows up. Have tried it in enough different places to know its not just some fluke.

>>15807447
what's stopping people from doing that on youtube? how different is the twitch culture vs youtube's?

>>15807553
you can't raid on youtube like you can twitch because twitch has baked in shit that alerts the streamer AND the chatroom that a raid is coming
also on youtube all emotes from membering/subscribing are domestic you can't use them cross platform like twitch

>>15807447
Can you just mass ban people who participate in certain channels chat? That would be the easiest solution. You're an XQC fag? Boom, banned, no chat for you. In general chat moderation on Twitch seems easier than Youtube too.

>>15807375
ratios are really hard to grasp on small numbers, they are blatant when you are talking in big numbers
when comparing from cutting 4 to 2, you only lost 2 people, which is a relatively small amount compared to the cut, 50%, take this to 40k to 20k, you lost 20k, which is something extremely alarming even if it's the same cut, 50%

>>15807598
people just use NightBot mainly and set parameters like character length of the message, caps lock usage etc
Mainly women and highly controversial channels pay or hire moderators

>>15807553
>what's stopping people from doing that on youtube?
nothing, see
https://streamable.com/cwtomt
but the fact that they are on a different platform that probably requires some to close and app to open YT just to shitpost in chat is not worth it, so it is enough to prevent it from exploding

>>15807133
They would but that doesn't mean some of their viewers would branch out a bit. But that would probably only benefit other vtubers on the platform which isn't really a bad thing despite all the tribalfagging here.

>>15807447
You can block raids

>>15807594
They're gonna try to add raiding soon though

>>15807065
Anon, Hot tub saga happened in 2021, we're talking early 2020 here. Streamers started moving away from Twitch after Vtubers already proved that it's a viable platform for live-streaming.

>you wouldn't see stuff like someone growing like Uto or Holo X debut numbers
People have been funneled into HoloX debuts from off site, mainly from Twitter, Reddit and talents shilling the debut. People didn't get funneled into HoloX debuts via recommendations, because there was no videos that Youtube could recommend and Youtube has no reliable mechanism for discovering streams beyond recommendations. HoloX debuts would've been literally on the front page, if they happened on Twitch.

>>15807598
you can ban words more efficiently, I would ban
>streamer names
>streamer emotes (emotes are global on twitch)
>the words alluding to raids, like "raid" and "come from"
and the stuff that they already ban, like roomate stuff

>>15807709
Jesas. Why are twitch niggers like this?

>>15807553
twitch is a lot more interconnected, all the big streamers know each other, if someone like xqc dislikes you then that's automatically 10+ huge streamers that also dislike you -at least-(and not to mention all the clout-chasers that will hate you to fit in with xqc)

>>15807711
Isn't Jun streaming on Twitch? How is his numbers?

>>15807806
drama seeking attention whores looking for content because they are untouchable on the platform

>>15807806
The more popular you are, the more niggers and idiots you have, the more noticeable it is to the general public. Just look at the state of chumbuds for reference.

>>15806840
Maybe because it counts tab in/outs as start/stop of a viewing period?

>>15807739
And then you will have some big streamer making passive aggressive comments about being ignored

At this point, I hope their waiting room get past 10k, so they can charting...

With the CCV culled we just have to talk in VOD views now.
Sorry ccv fag

This is depressing...
I can't believe these mofos at youtube actually have done this
What am I supposed to look forward to now?

>>15807942
I USED TO RULE THE WORLD
MY PREFERRED METRIC WAS THE ONE FOR GOLD

>>15807982
the stream itself and your oshi being cute of course

>>15807982
>What am I supposed to look forward to now?
Gee I dunno anon, maybe the actual content being made?

>>15807906
>And then you will have some big streamer making passive aggressive comments about being ignored
going back to the point of Hololive being big enough to sustain their own ecosystem. I really don't think that matters, right?

>>15807982
I just hope this won't get into my oshi's head and influence her mood on stream...

>>15807942
>wake up
>this VOD got 200k, that VOD 140k
>oh wait this VOD was culled FUCK YOU SUSAN
>sleep

>>15807982
Your oshi's streams?
I get it, it's a bummer but the quality of the
live stream shouldn't be dictated by the CCVs

>tfw conditioned myself so I can't get an erection unless a chuuber hits 30k CCV

>>15807375
Aki's Median and Average in Nov were 2.5k and 3.6k respectively anon. 1.2k is way below either of those. Sure, it's Ark, but is Ark that much of a debuff game?

>>15808054
>but the quality of the
live stream shouldn't be dictated by the CCVs

Oh rearyyy???

>>15807982
Gura's 3d debut to a whopping 50k!

>>15807792
T. twitchfag
If this can make you sleep is more likely the roommates to return to twitch than Holo switching main plattaform

>>15807942
>Susan culls VOD views next

>>15808086
numberrot withdrawal syndrome...

hang in there anon, don't fall for the call of the harder stuff

>>15808021
>>15808022
>>15808054
>these motherfuckers think CCV cull won't affect their oshi's mood

>>15808164
My oshi is Ina

>>15808164
Someone post what Noel said

After this nerf, the Q1 2022 watchtime numbers for YouTube Gaming will be lower than Q2 2019 if the -30% Q1 2021 decrease was anything to go by.

>>15808164
This. Every vtuber is a numberfag deep down and it's definitely going to mentally affect them seeing their numbers suddenly slashed like this. A lot of them probably still don't know what's up and think they're legit less popular than last year.

Irys just finished, I don't track her views often, can someone enlighten me if this is her usual performance?

>>15808164
only if your oshi is a blatant numberfag

>>15807838
Less than Youtube...before the cull.

Nui gatcha can't even break 10k now...sad.

>>15808237
... Are we in 2019?

>>15808164
my oshi is gura

>>15808164
Well, the worst case scenario is chuuba crying on stream thinking 50% of her fanbase abandon her for new oshi.

>>15808225
even if she isn't it might fuck her up mentally (depending on how tough she is) because it's suddenly getting half of your viewers blown into oblivion. you can cope all you want but chubas are humans too.

>>15808237
She's playing story and she usually gets around 6k for these parts.

>>15808086
>get erectile dysfunction because of numbers
we are losing more than our minds...

>>15808334
Waiting for Lamy to do it in her mengen

i just want to now thegirls already talkedwith their managers and theese conatcted youtube

>>15808133
Hololive already streams on NicoNico and Twitch and they used to stream on BiliBili. In fact, many holos used to do exclusive streams on BiliBili very frequently. Aki has been doing them weekly almost up to Taiwan yab. Suisei and Fubuki also streamed there often. If you think Cover is afraid of moving platforms, you're wrong. Obviously, they will never delete their Youtube channels, but they can easily turn them into VOD and clip channels and stream on Twitch.

>>15808318
Gura is one of the first Holos to directly address the issue so she's already revealed that it's on her mind.

>>15808366
Omega quick what's Ina like in bed

>>15808215
Should let youtube count buffered views first. I'd probably expect 90-100k from this Minecraft stream.

>>15808380
Theyll go back to NicoNico before they ever touch Twitch for HoloJP as a full time platform
Cover likes control and reasoning, they can contact YoutubeJP as a company, they can't contact Amazon

>>15808334
I'm waiting for Towa and Watame to talk about it.

>>15808215
Looks about right for a stream that just finished. I assume that when everything is processed, it will be around 90-120k, her usual number for a normal stream (neither high nor low CCV, pre-Dec 2021)

>>15808237
talking about gacha, Matsuri is doing one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_37ZLfBaHk
it's her prime content for numbers

>>15808352
The title says gacha anon, twice even.

>>15808362
Please update when she starts crying, I will get a membership just for that

To make Towa's live's CCV average match up with it's VOD views right after airing the average person watching would have watched only 3 minutes of it. I don't know about you friends but I tend to watch every minute of a live. If people only watch 10 minutes of the live per view then Towa got something like 67k~ average views.

>>15807291
EN wouldn't be affected, pretty sure fans would be glad they'd move to twitch too. JP stays on Youtube.

>>15808334
>abandon someone because they are crying
anon, it's literally the opposite, people JOIN because of that

>>15808456
It's literally thousand times easier to contact a human at Twitch that can actually solve your issue than it is to contact a human at Youtube. On Twitch, even people with 1k ccv have contacts within the company as long as they are partners. And you can be sure that Twitch will be very accommodating to Cover, Because Holos are clean and drama-free streams that the platform desperately needs.

>>15808533
That's inconvenient and would annoy people who watch the entire company

>>15808489
She's going to get sub 1000 CCV

>>15808215
I'll piggyback off your post and bring up Mumei's immediate vod views as well. I never kept track of her ending vods numbers but I would expect her vod to reach 100k within the usual time. Outside of IRyS's waiting room numbers Mumei maintained higher ccv than IRYs the entire time, but I doubt that's truly the case given the choice of games plus the afformentioned waiting room numbers. Both affected by the cull, but I think it hit IRyS harder

>>15808524
And it's a 3d live, not a karaoke, so you can't even claim that most people were alt-tabbed.

>>15808543
Right but twitch doesn't have a big presence in Japan
Right now the biggest streams is one dude doing a 24/7 loop of Gamecenter CX or gaijins live vlogging around

>>15808489
and these are the numbers from the most recent I believe, the third one where she got 36k