/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

embarrassing cope

The CCVs are fucked beyond belief

>>15791822
Go back coping in your containement last samurai.

>>15791995
Explain this

>>15791995
>>15792539
If it's cope, then please tell me how this is possible.

This implies that Sana has 7.5k love ccv right now. This would be great news because I like Sana, but l don't believe it. Sana rarely even breaks 3k. 2.5k is her usual number.

>>15791995
>>15792539

>>15793125
Or this

>>15791995
>>15792539

>>15793260
Or This.

>>15793214
There are variances that mean the effect is hitting different vtubers in different levels of severity. We're not sure why right now, Mel and Aki Rose have been reduced to literal 3 views while some others are chugging along with only a 10-20% drop. It might have something to do with the amount of crossover the vtuber has between their fans and other vtubers.

>>15793125
I've had my suspicions about this phenomena for a while. Though, as a longtime watcher of Sana and other poorly performing holos like Anya you see a situation like this all the time with likes. Sana will often get 5k likes on a stream but average 2.6k viewers. What I think is happening is that peoe tune in for the stream, drop a like, and then leave. The same thing can happen with poll votes.


I suppose it would depend on how long the poll is open, but the poll tracks unique views more than concurrent viewers because it counts people who only tune in for a few minutes before clicking off just like the like count.

It's actually funny to see wannabe Japanese Anons huffing copium right now. Now there's suddenly a "cull". Before it was a EN decline and Council was a HUGE failure. YWNBJ, you pathetic cunts.

>>15793214
It makes sense, she's collaborating with Watame, Polka, and Kronii and those three will easily bring in an audience of 7.5k. 2.5k seems far too low for a collab with the three.

>>15791995
>>15792539

>>15793360
Or this.

Vtubing is just dying off you numberfag.
Susan is just making sure it's happening faster.

>>15793589
Council is a huge failure, just not as big a failure as the current numbers would indicate.

>>15791822
>ONE THIRD
lol

It's a shame. The numbers thread used to be actually somewhat respected, with numbers and images backed up by real sources and calculations.
Now /#/ is literally nothing but /hlgg/ 2.0, with tribalfaggotry legalized.

>>15793900
Huff that copium because you will never be Japanese.

>>15793589
The shoe’s on the other foot now, so they have to accept reality that CCV counts are being skewed because it’s affecting them regularly now.

>>15791822
Contain to your general thread, nobody wants more fucking numberfagging going around. Just enjoy the streams based on their quality for fuck's sake.

>>15791822
120k viewers for a random assed barely advertised mini tournament. Let me doubt.

>>15791822
I got YT premium on my main account, found a random streamer with no views and watched him for 2-3 mins(Tabbed in), the view count never went up
I closed the tab and opened an incognito tab and watched the stream again for 2-3 mins, and sure enough, the viewer count went up

>open stream
>vote on random poll because i can
>instantly close stream because bitch is boring
>go to /#/ to see coping retards posting polls numbers

>>15794179
Yeah. Now the question is whether the CCV fuckery is actually affecting whether google pays out the Premium amount to the creator. If it does then Youtube is stealing millions of dollars of revenue

>>15794200
I know you're fat, but I don't think you equal several thousand people just yet.

>>15794450
I could tweet at YT and complain about this shit...but I saw someone post a pic of another user doing so and YT being retarded about it

>>15794607
still better to just add your voice, with evidence, even if they ignore it. Such instances can build up a wealth of evidence. So I'd say do it, you don't lose anything but a bit of time.

>>15794979
maybe a recording could work too...idk ill sleep on it and figure something out

>>15793558
Fair enough. Now explain this

>>15794450
Whether that's true or not, one thing is for certain. It affects the ability of streamers to negotiate in-video promotions. Noel lost a bonus for one of her shill streams because it didn't get a high enough CCV, so this is something we know for sure.

>>15791822
Do not shitpost with my wife Koyori

>>15796821
>Detailed OP explaining up to date information about what's happening with Youtube viewer counts
>Shitpost

>>15791822
people who aren't into numbers won't know what CCV's are you retard

>>15791822
Nice blogpost retard. I ain't reading that shit. Have you tried necking yourself?

I literally hide every numberfagging thread aboutside of /#/ . Its the shittiest low effort bait ever and people that spam it should kill themselves.

>>15797096
Ow, edgy

>>15797130
>bait
>>15796968
kys

So NJU must have got 540k at least

>>15796984
Even knuckledraggers can figure out CCV = Concurrent Viewers just by the context it's used in.

>>15794200
>magically know when a chuuba puts a poll up mid-stream

>>15791822
>from what we've been able to understand
Numberfags are so funny

>>15796722
It looks like 1000 people left the stream over the course of the gif and the like total also went up by a thousand? That's what you're trying to point out right?


What this looks like to me is that some of the less invested viewers were satisfied now that they'd seen the costume and decided to click off, but decided to leave a like before they left. I think that actually makes sense I always leave a like when I leave a stream.

nice, so Petra is doing 4.5k right now!

>>15797237
Implying that is not a low effort bait when someone screenshots the number of views when the stream is just about to start and goes "What happened to <insert name>?".

Imagine using poll as evidences. You faggots know that you can literally vote and leave after right?

>>15798055
No one joins a stream to vote and then leave. That implies they know the poll was going up and joined for the brief 2-3 minutes its up before bailing.

Which is the biggest fucking stretch I've ever seen in my entire life.

>>15798055
hi retard

>>15798055
Reminder that numberfagging should be left to the professionals. Do not attempt to numberfag as an amateur.

>>15791822
Then NJU had like 200k viewers?

>>15800768
Yes. Most likely more than that. There are a lot of nijis affected by this, Kanae is the prime example.

>>15798055
Not only that but you can watch multiple steams at the same time and will only be counted in one of them (or won't be counted at all based on the recent experiments)

>>15800768
I don't think anyone can look at NJU part 1's 3 hour VOD having 2.6 mil and thinking it didn't reach 200k CCV.
That's close to Koshien finals right when it ended and Koshien finals was 3 hours longer.

Lize got 7.8k for a costume reveal 2 days ago when her average is 10k.
More Holos are fucked than Nijis, but the top Nijis are getting their share of fuckery too.

>>15800768
Yes, almost certainly.

>>15791822
Lmfao. The kinds of retards that are attracted to mainstream v-tuber bullshit are basically NPCs.
Absolute pottery. Get felted morons.

>>15793125
>>15793260
JESAS. I stopped trusting YouTube subscription numbers after I was unsubbed from 2 channels last year, but that is just obscene.

>>15794179
Is it the other way around? Coz you stick the premium image on top, dumbass

>>15805151
Huh? The subscription numbers aren't the problem. The problem is there are more poll votes than current viewers in those pics. Kronii's even has double her current viewers.

Keep in mind you can only vote if you have a youtube account and are logged in. On twitch, a streamer is lucky to get even 30% of their current viewers to vote during polls, so the Holos' real live viewer count is likely triple or quadruple what is being displayed.

>>15793116
I think that is somewhat understandable, though I do think that their CCV is wrong.
But the view count tracks everyone who enters a stream no matter what as a view at the end. For example here is a stream I had a few days ago, ended at over 3k views, but a viewer amount topping at 760. Average view duration was only 7m so a lot of people click on, and leave after a few minutes.
I do often click into those type of streams, watch a few minutes, and then go about my day. So while the CCV is weird, I don't think its as bad as people think.

>>15793260
>>15793125
viewbots click on votes, very cool.

Here's some premium vs non premium youtube tests. I just joined random streams with no viewers

https://streamable.com/bq2alq
https://streamable.com/8h2wyg
https://streamable.com/x4wbqq
https://streamable.com/akiggk

>>15808753
Polls are regularly getting >100% participation in 5 minutes. Lots are getting it within 1 minute.
Very few channels can even break 30% participation, 50-60% is an engagement rating wet dream. 100% is impossible simply because people not logged in cannot vote, and 120% is literally african warlord voting tier.
The sole explanation is the shown live-viewer numbers are significantly(as in 50% or more) lower than actual live viewer numbers.

>>15811583
>spark of joy
>187k
Vsinger chan...

>>15797552
look at the pol numbers...

>>15793360
Uh, and those are the ones that with accounts, I wonder what % doesn't have one

>Luna 3D anniversary at 10k
Surely nothing is amiss, right non-believers?

>>15815927
16k likes on 12k live viewers video, remember seeing plenty of 20-30k live view streams from holo's who couldn't even get 10k likes on stream, the numbers truly no longer make sense

>>15815927
With Subaru and Botan on the thumbnail?

Nope, everything working as intended.
The other 30k people watching don't matter anyway.

based numberfags saving us from bait threads piling up

>>15811583
Bots. All bots

It has gone from look at the livesteam numbers to look at the poll numbers. How pathetic can numbers get?

>>15791822
Yeah it's an organized attack aiming at Hololive since it apparently doesn't affect Niji at all, proven by their shitty concert getting 180k viewers.

>>15814883
It says 0 votes? What are you trying to say???

Update:

As expected it's getting worse and worse. Do not panic we're still investigating.

Get a clue faggots, this is cope.

>>15792539
this is the real cope. Just ignoring the problem hoping not to notice how it hurts the vtubers.

>>15819777
Jesas

>>15791822
Post this on leddit
>B-BUT LEDDIT BAD
Shut the fuck up trannigger we need to raise awareness and get more normalfags to harass/spam at Youtube on Twitter

>>15821049
Agreed, even if Reddit is an annoying hive mind we must do everything to stop YouTube from getting more tyrannical and cruel, because that is what matters

Why does this even matter...?

Laplus has been demonetized. Things are spiralling out of control now.

AAAAAAAAAA THE NUMBERSS I DONT WANT TO SEE IT ANYMORE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA PLEASE GIVE BACK THE NUMBERSSS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I BEG YOU AAAAAAAAAAAA NUUUMMMBBBEERSSSSS

>>15821301
>Why does the primary metric of success matter to streamers when it's been arbitrarily slashed by 90% in a matter of days
Go back to playing with your toys honey, the adults are talking.

Holostars can't stop winning!
Sorry Flare. Winning Son has more views.

>>15821422
I'm pretty sure the primary metric is how much money they are making given that streaming is a part time or full time job for them.

Laplus's channel has been demonetized. I think Youtube's message is very clear now. They has declared war on vtubers

>>15821245
Especially since leddit mods SEEM to have contact to management, and at the end of the day only Cover personally giving Youtube a wedgie will do anything

>>15791822
>Vshojo starts beating HoloEN in CCV
>numbertards suddenly starts posting this hilarious cope
It can't get any funnier than this, to be honest.

>>15821512
How much money they're making ties directly back to CCV. Pretty hard to sell yourself as a good marketing opportunity if you're a 2 view. It matters a lot to the Holos, they all judge themselves by these metrics and regardless if they're making a lot of money seeing numbers drop takes a toll on them. Aki Rose and Mio never cried about not earning enough money but they did about their sub count.

>>15821556
based retard

/#/ is a cancer on this board and I welcome anything that ruins their autism.

>>15821777
keep coping holobrony

>>15821422
Uh, don't most people care more about sub counts and video views? Live viewers are an extremely unstable metric, even without all the Youtube fuckery, I don't see why it would be weighed more heavily than other stuff

>>15821846
Pekora has been grinding all year to get #1 on Streamhatchets Female Streamer of the Year ranking which has average CCV as the core component of it's hours watched metric.

They're streamers anon. Streamers. Streamers care about how many people are actually watching their streams. This should be pretty obvious no?

>>15821913
Then why do they care so much more about their subcounts?

>>15822057
>streamers care about live viewcount
>they cant care about their subcount on top of that
Youre retarded right?

>>15822057
Why do Twitch streamers care about their follows?

>>15791822
Holy fuck. HoloJP is reclining

>>15822133
>>15822136
No what I mean is that they celebrate all kinds of shit related to their subs, but only a few seem to really (openly) care about having big live views

>>15821587
No it doesn't. Superchats and memberships have nothing to do with with CCV. Ad revenue also has nothing to do with it because youtube uses their own bullshit algorithms to determine that just the same as they do with CCV in the first place. Sponsorship opportunities don't have much to do with it either, because sponsors usually look at your subs not CCV.

Also, the reason Aki Rose cried about her sub count was because she felt like she wasn't pulling her weight when other members who were far newer and her gen mates had more subs. Subs aren't CCV either so it's completely unrelated to what you're saying.

>>15822259
What are they going to do? Stop the stream and say "Hey we have 15k views! Nice guys!"? Kiara has cried on stream about her views before, it matters a lot

>>15822259
Well its kinda lame in the middle of the stream to numberfag about live viewcount unless its something special and outside of it there is really no point.
And for viewcount you can mostly just cry that your numbers are low as opposed to subcount you can celebrate that you reach some number. Complaining and celebrating are different.

>>15822377
>because sponsors usually look at your subs not CCV.
They definitely do not and any marketer who chose Kizuna AI to shill their product over Pekora because she has more subs would be fired for incompetence.

>Superchats and memberships have nothing to do with with CCV.
This is just retarded since high membership correlates strongly with how many people want to watch you.

CCV is THE metric which all streamers are judged by. Always has been. Always will be.

>>15797263
According to OP, yes.

>>15822377
>Sponsors are more interested in your twitch follower count than the number of people watching your streams
What the fuck am I reading

>>15822656
We are talking about youtube, get a clue retard.

>>15822509
Didn't we just fucking establish that the CCV isn't accurate? Are you brain dead? Either the CCV number is accurate and memberships correlate to it or it's not and they don't. You can't have both.

>>15821804
Maybe if you actually bothered to look at what's going on instead of burying your head under the sand, people wouldn't have doubts about your cognitive capabilities.
I get that you're happy your favorite Twitch streamers are doing well, but that doesn't change the reality of what's going on with Youtube.

>>15822740
>We are talking about youtube
We're talking about streamers in general. Now how to streamers primarily measure their growth and performance? No matter which platform they're on, facebook, youtube, twitch or NND? Come on say it with me now. How many people are watching the streams! Yes!

Just because Ludwig switched to Youtube doesn't suddenly mean he cares more about VOD views then how many people are watching him, that's fucking stupid. Platform doesn't determine how you judge the popularity of a streamer it is, and always will be how many people watch the streams. Now please stop your fucking cope.

>>15822740
>Didn't we just fucking establish that the CCV isn't accurate?
Only over the past week and only on one platform. Just because Youtube has shit the bed over the past few days doesn't suddenly mean CCV is an unreliable metric in all cases. It was pretty much fine throughout 2021.