/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/CCfK7mV

Holostars must be the worst Vtuber in the world. You already have exposure from the world most popular Vtuber company and you can't pull numbers because your content actually suck dick.

Imagine starting to stream tomorrow with Shroud, Asmongold and summit1g having a link to your channel and regularly talking about you. If you fail to attracts viewers, your content is shit

>>15765505
doesn't help that the cull will destroy them too

>peko marine
buff non existent

I propose we have /#/ for a few more days while we keep trying to figure out what the fuck is going on and deal with our numberrot withdrawal symptoms, then this thread becomes /news/, a place for general discussion about the industry and its events, plus number talk for things that still make sense like VODs and SCs. Because unless this gets fixed (it won't be) this thread as it is is now pointless.

>subaru couldn't break 10k

>>15765648
i was expecting 60k peak at least

>>15765317
This DLC is really painful to watch. She already played it for almost 20 hours and didn't get past 50%. Half of the time she spent in the first level where you can't even see properly because it's too dark

Wouldn't this actually be a huge source of controversy for youtube if the normies, especially the paying ones, find out that the youtube algorithm treats them like bots? They're offering a paid service but they can't even match their competitor who has been doing this shit for more than a decade

>>15765688
isn't usually like that anyway?

>>15765578
They might be more insulated from the cull if it works how we're theorizing. Their audiences are probably more isolated and less likely to watch multiple streams at the same time compared to the girls who rely on their network effect.

Okay.. account got flagged because behavior but what about viewer without an account?

Peko's stream already attained 230k views

>>15765743
You think there's anything that will make normies wake up?

>>15765755
According to some anons here using a fresh account or being logged out coubts you in the CCV, I can vouch for the fresh account part since I tried it on a 2 view stream earlier

>>15765743
Normies don't care if they contribute to ccvs. They buy premium to skip ads and directly support channels.

>>15765688
yea, it wont be fixed though

>>15765755
not logged in counts I think from tests done some some other anon

hey holofucks
eat shit and die

Peko vs Marine, this should be 100k easily

What if all these drops in numbers is not because of the susan cull but is actually the jp decide to drop hololive after they found out that almost all holo streams are actually scripted and prerecorded...

>>15765730
It's fucking incredible that Iroha beat it in 9 hours in 1 endurance stream.
I couldn't believe my eyes.

Holy shit, it got to Anya now and it's crashing her to quite literally two digits!

Towa's concert VOD is still processing but it's already at 322k, far ahead of Watame and closing in on Kanata.

>>15765923
different dlc, anon

Today's stats
>Holo streams over 10k: 2
>Holo streams 5-10k: 5
>Holo streams under 5k: 21

>>15765923
Different DLC.

>>15765755
After testing with a 1view on a private window yes it counted my view. Also interesting: it counted me even when I turned on Adblock and tried again

Whore down

Are you still going to laugh at niji tournaments where only main streams get all the viewers after today's poketourney performance?

>>15765756
24 minutes/view
That's a bit high. A cull in the CCV would make this ratio go down

>>15765928

ITS OVER, SUSAN's Numbers were Just IMAGinary. I feel like i have LOST my RELIGION. I don't want To go BACK To FANTASY FOOTBALL

>>15765928
2view.... hololive is a 2view...

>>15765928
Worse than homos lmao

>>15765928
SAVE

>>15765928
lmao, experiment those accounts on her since she's a literal 2view now

>>15765954
jezas, fuck susan

Hololive gets today's gold. But at what cost...

>>15766128
this like an earthquake anon
everybody is trying to cope

>>15765954
>kanata vs towa 3D
>same vod views, half the ccv
this fucking retarded culling is only getting worse and worse by the day isnt it

>>15765928
Not even Holobuff can do anything now... It's over for her

just look at pekora
>susan
>cull
is cope
this is real number

So using the last pre-susan live as a benchmark, we have Nene-Towa-Suisei, with ~56.9k live viewers. Against this we had 381.4k views, 42.8k likes. Towa live at the moment is approximately 343.5k views, approx, 37k likes. Towa's lives haven't finished processing though, but it's looking like it should be expected to break at least this level, suggesting around a 60k+ view count.

Susan have some fucking mercy

>>15766180
>I'm crashing this market
>With no survivors

>>15765923
That was New Babe+
Iirc Mori finished it in about 20 hours. To be fair Iroha practiced speedrunning the main game before, watched Mori playing it and was asking chat for help

>>15765688
this but still keep /#/ so the schizos can fight amongst themselves

Comparing 2 song centric streams. 3D live to Christmas Day live.
10k more viewers but less than half the chat.

>>15766229
cope

>>15765743
Normies are NPCs. Nothing riles them up other than cutting off their supply of dopamine inducing consumer shit

>57K Bunny
Nousagibros... Is it possible for Pekra to get 60K when the final round arrive?

>Holo MK cup will be a sub 10k streams

lmao holokeks

>>15765688
midget culled up coped up numbers are still numbers at the end of the day anon. This is entertaining in a weird twisted way too.

>>15766254
Susan will kill the upcoming ID 3rd gen even before debuting

Current theories on what looks like a general multiviewer nerf
>viewers only count once if they are viewing multiple streams (or they don't count at all)
>viewers can be flagged as bots
>switching streams doesn't immediately update the count for a while (the waiting room cull could be exacerbated by the above mechanism)
The result of this is bad for Hololive's strategy of multi POV events and the Hololive brand which makes you want to watch multiple members at the same time. Box pushing may still be effective depending on how youtube is handling moving from one stream to another.
Streamers like Gura and Pekora will be affected to a less degree due to their fanbases being more insular, but they will lose the viewers that view multiple streams.
Nijisanji will probably be minorly affected, since their fanbases are probably very insular, I don't think people watch multiple Nijisanji vtubers, they kinda just watch their favorites.

Don't look at Flare's numbers, she had 4k waiting.

>>15766307
You should compare it to other towa 3d live last year.

This is too depressing bros..... I hope they aren't looking at their ccvs.

>>15766307 (me)
Christmas Day Relay*

So how is NijiMahjong?

>>15766352
Chat records is a new feature on holostats. It doesn't go back that far.

Even if it's just CCV change, this is bad since it affects the algorithm. The algorithm will see lower numbers and stop pushing leading to actual lower viewership.

How are the JPbros coping, are they believing the cull now?

>the cull is not proportional
>the cull isn't consistent
Might as well hide CCV now

>>15766376
Can't break 30k.

>>15766254
No mercy for the weak

>>15766376
26k cap

>>15766376
26k
They've had 1 full hour introducing all the participants.

>>15766325
Yeah, people don't want to remember that the numbers have been randomized for longer than this thread has existed.

>>15766376
plateauing at the 24-26k range, kind of a wobbly line but seems to be increasing slightly

>>15766359
pegor is crying herself to sleep every night. she is going to graduate from this life if susan will not fix all that shit

>>15766376
if the retards are not using that for shitposting, then it's failing

>>15765928
wtf

>>15765688
this is number schizo general now

>>15766322
depends on the two now

>>15766412
Rec algos uses views. View is unaffected by the cull just takes time to process.

>>15766439
I dont know why people keep using Kuzuha's example, isn't it because he died in-game? it recovered anyway

>>15765688
just have news be part of the title without removing numbers so no one complains when news are posted here

>>15766412
Do actual streams even punch through the algorithm besides gura's streams? Clipper numbers seems to be the same as always so there is no problem in that part.

>>15766464
Why? It matters not to pegor if she lost 50% of her audience if everyone else does too.

any nijikeks that watch streams that can explain the sudden +1k on maimoto

>>15766512
Could hurt the livestream algorithm.
lol i've never even seen a livestream on my feed

kneel to mori NOW for maintaining 5k solo for 12 hours

>>15766607
They probably shove hololive streams under Youtube Gaming.

I hope that this helps Lui-nee's numbers

I tried incognito mobile youtube and enter a 2view stream, immediately counted as viewer

wtf Lui-nee, ppl's sending her SC > ended her stream....

>>15766649
Sana and Kiara joined the voice chat

It's time to end it, don't you think?

>>15766140
>two digits after 30mins in
ogre

start begging current moot for your e-celeb board, its over for vtubers.

>>15766658
Even prior cull, youtube gaming tab obscures vtuber streams and favors those autogenerated content streams who only have 200 viewers.

>>15766649
>kneel to 5k
Is this what this thread has really come to? This is sickening...

>>15766562
Yes, but not as frequent, her subs likely matter in this case

>>15766376
44k last year to 27k today

>>15766705
Yeah, meant to say only a small percentage of Youtube's viewers ever go to Youtube Gaming in the first place, and even there they're not prioritized.

Please refresh Anya's stream, she has 3 figures, thank you.

>>15766703
Actually speaking of Hiroshimoot has anyone checked his numbers? Would be interesting as he's a French channel broadcasting to an entirely Japanese audience

>>15766681
That's a cope that everyone here accepts

>363,193 vs. 361,819 and 240,333
And just like that, Towa now has more day-of views than Kanata as well as Watame. Susan please.

>pekora ends
>everybody incline

>>15766765
turn off your bot

To give everyone something else to think about, have some chart about the chatter overlap of twitch.
https://twitchatlas.com/

Great tournament with great (heavily culled too) numbers, Pekora did a wonderful job at it. Also GG to Lui-nee.

>>15766797
twappi was robbed
R
O
B
B
E
D

>>15765407
the Pastebin doesn't have anything, it gives 404

>>15766797
So Towa should have higher CCV than Kanata?

>>15766593
She wanted to get the #1 in hours, so she has to compete against amouranth

>>15766854
Does anyone have a backup?

>>15766688
It's way past her bed time anon.

I wonder if unique chatters is a metric that has any meaning? I just ran it on Towa's live and got 8,498 unique chatters after the start. I think I'll write a script that can plot new unique chatters over time to see if it gives any interesting data.

>>15766765
Anya may be the person most affected by this, her fanbase is probably shared with the rest of ID and those people that try to keep every hololive stream open. Her current numbers are probably people that are only watching her right now. She'll have to avoid ID overlaps completely to get some of her numbers back.

>>15766854
https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR
Yeah because some retard dropped the R at the end, it should be working now

>>15766873
Isn't that impossible anyway since Amouranth's restreams are counted?

>>15766914
Never drop the hard R, cmon man

>>15766894
go for it anon, anything is better than fanfiction CCV right now

>>15766905
>She'll have to avoid ID overlaps
And EN too

There is no cull. Hololive is just declining.

>>15766772
They're fucked too, he streamed yesterday and peaked under 6k when he virtually always gets over 15k, usually 20k

>>15766957
oh great trend retard is back
who rattled your cage

The end is nigh.

>>15766957
My EN oshi is fine, maybe its HoloJP that is dying then

>>15766894
Oh, actually hololyzer already tracks unique chat users, I never noticed before.
https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/video/YsvEWEEUWa8.html
>ユニークユーザー数:6135人
>ユニークメンバー数:1984人
The numbers are a little different from what I got though, not sure who's calculating wrong.

>>15766957
>the chart incline at the end
fucking retard

>>15766691
Wow even more impressive. Maintaining 5k viewers with those two in the stream is like swimming with weights on.

>>15766990
sorry, it's feeding time and he gets upset if I don't feed him

NijiMahjong already starts the draw

>Fubuki enter in 20min

>ARK arc is back
RIP numbers (even more)

30k get for mahjong draft

Towa 369k after 3.5 hours, Pekora 327k post-stream.

I hate Susan...

>>15765725
kill yourself

>>15767055
It's already ending

>>15766866
Don't forget, Kanata was culled too.

>Primetime

>>15766847
Yeah those were some impressive numbers despite the cull. Would have easily been 80-100k or more if it wasn't for the cull.
The tournament was so professional too and she really outdid herself for a for fun tournament. Sasuga Pekora.

>>15767002
fuck, I was watching Watame's last karaoke to get the numbers. Learn nip everyone

>>15767091
>30k for the draft this year
>Didn't pass last year number
SUSAN!!!!

>>15766923
Not impossible assuming her ccv is comparable to last year she would have to increase her number of stream hours somewhat, hard but it would be doable.
If she is drops down in ccv (cull or no cull) she would have to have something like 10 hours a day in streaming hours.. Which is not happening regardless of her doing idol stuff or not.

>>15767118
Please tell me Iroha already finished and just reading SC

>>15765688
Better to just call it quits instead. That's what I'm about to do. As much as I love numbers and discussing them they don't mean anything at this point and schizos are taking over, even more than usual. It's been real fellow numberfags. Catch you on the flipside.

>>15767169
the stream is literally offline but for some reason it's still counting people

Lui who peaked at 1.7k has more views than shuba that peaked at 9.1k.

What kind of bs is this?

>>15767160
NIJI RECLINE

nice

>>15767118
Niji for comparison

>Pakora got culle-

>>15767268
Wait for the buffered views, anon.

>>15767268
this is why numberfagging vods sucks, cause retards don't understand processing
also go to bed zhang

>>15767268
>Pakora
>Dislike
Go back unicorn

>>15767285
You should stop responding to schizo.

>>15767264
Lamy is beating sultan....

>>15766797
As a little addendum, Towa also gained 4k subs off this live and song release.

>>15767216
The changes probably mean that she wasn't able to get any CCV updates for the people that would funnel into her stream when she won or was on the main channel.

>>15767216
>ISRAEL
Probably all the tourists flooding to her channel to watch the finals but youtube decided to cap her at 2k

>>15766923
It's actually quite the feat from her that she managed to keep up with Thotmoutanth's numbers even though this one had the bikini hot tub, the rebroadcasts and the coomers' buff. People don't seem to give enough credit to Pekora for that. Only 5Millions off from Thotmouranth, that's really nice, I'm proud of her.

>>15767164
To add to this.. Amouranth has so far this year 35 hours streamed (how many hours of that are restreams I do not know), compared to Pekora's 12 hours.
So far in Watch Hours
Amouranth: 392k
Pekora: 299k

It's still doable for Pekora to become #1 female streamer, but she will need to up her hours and the content needs to be suited for long streams, Doable but hard.

>>15767030
Kiara made her incline, though ?

>>15767354
WTF! That's it CCV is BS. Just turn into bilibili youtube.

>>15767354
You don't count as viewers for other streams if you still have one stream play before?

>>15767425
overlaps seems to have some really wierd interaction.

>>15767216
what the fuck kek

Nico nico save us.

>>15767457
Shuba views is catching up now but still the difference in views is BS

>>15767425
They might've implemented a delay too, so running to another stream doesn't count immediately (or at all because they're retarded).
But she would've gotten more, I remember in Dead by Daylight the killer POV always got a healthy boost.

>>15767285
>>15767308
Stop responding to bait newfags
>>15767309
>unicorn
Are dumb? He's anti and anybody tell you that he left pekora is laying or shitposting

So with the rules of allaged cull still being confusing as fuck, imagine when the upcoming streamer features of youtube will come and clusterfuck the numbers even more.

Watame's last karaoke had 4115 unique chatters, 2884 were members. This counts the zatsudan at the end though. Her peak was 4522

Watame's karaoke from November 27th had 2111 unique chatters, 1601 were members. Her peak was 9500. This one was 6 hours shorter since it doesn't have zatsudan though

>>15767216
So it's confirmed then, the viewers are being flagged as bots and not counted if they view multiple similar channels
This might explain the cull affecting chuubas differently (even sometimes the same chuuba differently on different days) - the ones who "bring in" the viewer get counted, then that viewer isnt counted for the rest of the day or some other similar time period

>Are dumb?

>>15767242
Still trying to process those thousands live viewers, few hundreds at a time. Google smol indie company and thus, need to optimize the validating process by lowering its frequency to lessen the load on their servers. Please andastand

>>15767492
I don't think so. Look at this and guess when Pekora's tournament ended.
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/wjtH1mYxWe0

>>15767440
My hypothesis is you only counted as a viewer for the first stream that you watch and never changed even if you watch other streams until you stop the first stream. In the past, you will become viewers of the other stream and stop becoming a viewer of the past stream.

By the way, any idea what's up with Suisei's old Showroom numbers here? No other Holo seems to have used it, so I'm not sure what gives. Was it just the hot new thing for a limited audience that watched what was available and didn't follow to Youtube or what?

https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1478011552834162691
>Shit numbers all over the place
>Start ARK arc
Way to start 2022 holobronies

>>15767390
Pekora already said she was taking it easy this year compared to last year.

>>15767030
He says as kiara bumped moris ccv from 5k, past 6k. Then dropped as she left.

https://twitter.com/Holo_Data/status/1477113063459680259

>>15767587

>>15767568
I guess it's just because people still had pekora's stream open then so it didn't count when they went to Lui. In a way thats impressive for Lui then? that two thousand people were just staring at her with nothing happening on her channel. Or they were mobile users and they weren't affected by this change.

>>15767591
I believe she said that regarding the events such as the 3D streams, the off Collab etc... Why the fuck would she say that then start an endurance stream(DQ1) while also organizing a tournament?

>>15767030
Stop triggering KFP anon or they will spam replies on you LMAO

Mori's stream
303k views
5,482 CCV (11h54m)
12.9 min/view
22k likes

Everything seems normal, no signs of a cull happening with HoloEN

>>15767587
Doesn't really matter ccv will be stinkers in 2022 anyway.

>>15767416
>>15767613
Kiara anti tard doesn't watch streams. Who would have known

>>15767613
Nice. Kiara still sucks fat dog dick though

>>15766649
Admitting this one got 50% of her numbers culled, that's nothing impressive since Pekora used to do at the very least 28k on her first Jump King stream which lasted twelve hours as well. So no kneeling for that.

>>15765743
if they won't even revert the dislike button after the users and content creators uproar + the founder of youtube making a stand against it then they won't do anything about this.

>>15767591
Would love a source for that. And also she's been talking about a lot of projects, both 3D things and things she wants to do.

>>15767682
check bae

The funnel still exists. But only after the other stream ends.

My theory is: whoever even glanced at the Mikorone stream didn’t count for any other stream for as long as it was on, and the same for the Poke tournament.

That would mean no more a stream being the waiting room for another

What Google needed to do was flag suspected accounts that was created in less than a year and has less than 6000 hours of active time on it.

>>15767584
She used it back when she was still an indie.

>>15767682
How many times are you guys going to count unbuffered VOD views

I'm going to drink myself to sleep and when I wake up this will be all over

>>15767682
LEAVE YAGOO TO ME

>>15767164
>assuming her ccv is comparable to last year
Nigger open your eyes please, YT CCV is fucked and it's here to stay, it would've been a possible but incredibly difficult target if this didn't happen but now it'll be a miracle if any Youtube streamer makes the top 5

>>15767682
Maybe the cull is happening to a specific streamer or streams? Who knows what and how Youtube operates at this point

>death of numbers
>ARK arc returning
im not sure this semen slurping sports is for me anymore, bros...

>>15767264
>Maimoto's Mahjong lottery is not even the shadow of chin's Mario Kart's one
>Barely beat twappi
Yeah, nevermind why not even tribalist are doomposting Holo.
The cull got worse for everyone.

>>15767804
Who took this picture and why do they hate Susan? That's one of the most unflattering photos I think I've ever seen

>>15767807
>>15767682
Her EN viewerbase wouldn't be the type to have any other streams open at this time so she wouldn't suffer as much from the multiview cull. And she started earlier so her view may have been "sticky."

>>15767587
What's the point of caring about CCV anymore if it's all fucked, everyone may as well go the Chloe route and become virtual hostesses since at least the SC numbers are real

watching Anya as a literally 2views have made a negative effects on me...

>>15767735
Ppl watching on pc with multiple tabs is fucking the views then.

I just realized something, Susan became ceo of Youtube on Feb 2014 and amazon bought twitch in August 2014. There was actually a timeline where Youtube could've bought twitch and made it a better livestreaming platform connected to Youtube itself, untouched by the hands of a female CEO. I would also assume by 2014, strict stuffs was made into place since Youtube's boom was during Pewdiepie and let's plays. Filthyfrank was also killed by 2016.

Someone really needs to time travel and prevent Susan from becoming head of YT.

>>15767923
Buy 5 phones then anon.

>1 hr into the stream
>would have been 1k+ by now pre-cull
Susan has no mercy

>>15767682
How the heck is a 5,482 CCV peak for a Mori's JK stream "normal"? Her previous JK streams during Dec got 9,876, 7,483, and 8,179. Her current stream peaked briefly at 6,759, that's a 10% drop compared to her weakest JK stream in Dec, and 30% drop compared to her strongest stream. A drop between 10%-30% might not be as big as some of JP streams, but it's hardly insignificant.

how am I supposed to post real numbers now?

>>15767985
Watch the stream retard. She's doing hours long speedruns. She already got all the babes.

>>15767985
NTA but that's average not peak

>>15768000
Superchats are still available

>>15768037
ame.....

T-chan is the only hope

So...tally anon...how is the gold for today?

>>15767805
Oh don't you worry, Valkyrae will be top 5, she wont stream for like half the year and still make it some how. Youtube has to keep their big names after all.
And my answer was what would be needed for her to become #1 under previous conditions, Now it is as you say extremely hard if not impossible unless she starts streaming 10 hours a day.

Iroha 89k vod for a 3k ccv.....

HoloID is now NijiID tier lmao

>>15768015
Oh god how ironic LMAO

>>15768125
nijiID wishes they can do this

>>15768112
Noel have 109k views with 3.8k peak

>>15768000
Unironically, we are back to subs. CCV is fucked along with other metrics that depend on it like Hours Watched. VOD views are too difficult unless we can agree to freeze the numbers like 12hours after the stream ended. Jesas, this sucks so bad

Here have something interesting.
The pokemon tourney got #1 worldwide trending.

So, is it time to do another Reddit post and hope it catches attention? At least, make fanbase at large aware, so that it becomes common knowledge.

>>15768066
Pekora, but even though she's my oshi this gold might as well be a bucket of piss. Literally even Anya is getting fucked over, in the meantime Jun's numbers are left untouched. Why?

>>15768226
you would need twater, reddit and jp bros to start something

>>15768246
Youtube is afraid of jun

>>15768125
What is NijiID's numbers now?

>>15768246
isn't jun like piedew of jp?
it would be a bloodbath

>>15768246
YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE FUCKED JUN ON XMAS EVE PAKORA. THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT.

>>15768246
>a nousagi was behind one of the pillars of /#/
who would've thought?

Aki rose vods looks normal for her but ccv is fucked up.

>>15768246
>Why?
Whatever dataset Youtube used to train their bot didn't include Vtuber watchers. Our viewing habbits are completely different from someone who watches Jun or other regular streamers. This means that pretty soon, 90% of Vtuber audience will be flagged as bots and erased. Cull is already getting much worse, Towa's live should've been a 60k stream at minimum, and I'm guessing, the peak should've been closer to 80k. Instead, she got a quarter of that.

>>15768246
Easy. Jun is normalfag territory while vtuber fans (and it's Pekora nonetheless) watch exclusively their oshi's content only. In other words, you're a bot

>Friend 10k gets

Guys Fubuki's numbers seems normal now

10k CCV and 5k likes

>>15768395
>in 30 minutes

So I put together some sample data. It seems like whatever is causing the CCV issue isn't directly tied to around Christmas time but may in fact be a compounding effect for Holo. Curiously, I threw up some recent Niji numbers and found the opposite effect seems to be going on there, although for NJU the numbers are obviously complicated by the fact that they are 3 hours long each and in different parts of the day (compared to the roughly 1 hour of 3Ds which coincidentally are all usually around the same time of prime time) which will reduce the View to CCV ratio accordingly. This seems to indicate that for whatever reason, Holo viewers seem to be flagged against CCVs while Niji doesn't seem to be as badly affected for their major events. The key takeaway is that Towa got completely screwed, at the rate her Anniversary is shaping up it's likely to be closer to something on the levels of Shion's Birthday of ~88k. I realize the data isn't perfectly exact/accurate but I was using playboard/socialblade data for consistency where I could.

>>15768246
hololive suffers more from the multiviewer cull than Jun?

>>15768412
>in a pokemon stream too

>>15768425
show evidence that even a minority of fans multi view in any capacity.

>>15768246
Jun frequently goes above 100k for the most mundane streams, yes his numbers are still good but that doesn't mean he's been untouched

We should fight for bot rights. Even if I'm a bot, that doesn't mean I'm not sentient. I should not be erased!

>>15768419
kek.. would be funny as fuck if youtube made a change that made the algorithm favor viewers who aren't regular viewers.. Basically the opposite of what their platform has always been.

>>15768470
RLM

man, so the majority of the holobronie fanbase is full of multiviewing shitters.

Looks like Kpop finally pushed youtube to cull the problem

>>15768505
>>15768449

>>15768419
Remember that Friday a couple of weeks ago when everyone's numbers were weirdly low and everyone was talking about nomikai? Looking back on that I'm starting to think there was some sort of test for the new algorithm then

>>15768481
If anything it looks like some runaway code that flags more and more CCV as spam among any given userbase, and considering how hard Towa was boxpushing here she probably has a great deal of overlap with viewers that were already pre-flagged. This is typical Towa luck to be honest, but again the real data is showing that Kanatan was likely closer to 60k, Watame 45k, and Towa is closing in on what is 70k with possibility of hitting 80k+ depending on the rest of today's view count.

9カ月前の1周年ライブ(8.35チャット/秒)が 最大3.2万 高評価3.7万 再生数37万

5カ月前の生誕ライブ(7.37チャット/秒)が 最大6.7万 高評価4.9万 再生数74万

今回のライブ(10.87チャット/秒)が現在で 最大2.3万 高評価4万 再生数38万

just google translate it to get a general idea.

I blame pokemon and mario kart for this massive recline

>>15768518
the data has been thrown at your face and you choose to ignore it, lmao.

even nijiniggers got effected slightly by the multiviewing retards but not to the extend of holos

>>15768395
>77k vod views
no, its not normal now

Is gen3 still reclining?

>>15768505
KPOP autism is about fake support
I just like watching all my girls.

>SC is the only thing we can reliably numberfag anymore
The age of the Fandead has come.

>>15768557
so you've no evidence

>>15768574
I have to assume they all fuck each other, right? That male/female ratio in a fandom is insane to me.

>>15768532
24th december wasn't it ? the day where numbers looked really low

>>15768218
Twap got to number 2.

>>15768537
wtf is a kyat?

9 months ago 1st anniversary live (8.35 kyat / sec) up to 32,000 Highly rated 37,000 views 370,000

Birth live 5 months ago (7.37 kyat / sec) up to 67,000 Highly rated 49,000 views 740,000

This live (10.87 kyat / sec) is currently up to 23,000 highly rated 40,000 views 380,000

>>15768631
That was my thesis, that something happened around Christmas time. But the data seems to indicate that if anything this is a trend that has been building up throughout all December especially in Holo, and we only just noticed its effects recently as it has been exponentially increasing.

>>15768574
>>15768621
lel I could tell this is one of those internet cafes and the owner/workers of it force everyone to watch their kpopshit, maybe reward them with few more hours of usage even.

>>15768678
Maybe the data servers got fucked.
I doubt YouTube engineers are making changes during the holidays

>>15768755
pajeets makes changes when pajeets wants. It's like shitting in the streets, it's in their nature.

After some more testing with a literal 1view I found something hilarious, if I watch anyone on any device when I'm signed in it doesn't count my view. However I can watch them on my PC and my phone when both are signed out, both on the same wifi network and it counts as 2 viewers. Going to use my PS4 and borrow my brother's ipad to test this further

>>15768755
Could be as simple as a change to the algorithm weeks ago that slowly snowballed into culling the shit out of viewers with a certain watching pattern over time as it collected data. Impossible to say

>>15768670
>kyat
anonchama, it's chat

>>15767591
She also has multiple big projects this year she was teasing about during the last 2 weeks of dec,

I dont think this bunny is capable of going under 100%

>>15768324
>im mad because a nousagi is way smarter and useful than me
cope brown man

12/24/21

>>15768810
i'm not mad, retard

>>15768755
>Maybe the data servers got fucked.
IT'S NOT A FUCKING ACCIDENT!

For fucking sake, it's not broken servers, broken AI, spaghetti code.
Youtube deliebrately changed some parameter, some threshold, something related to what they considier a live viewer (as opposed to a bot, a "spam viewer", a "low quality viewer"), tested, A/B tested and deployed

Why are you guys still here?

>>15768797
so susan finally decided to kill multiviewing faggots?

>>15768797
Try clearing your cookies on your device and testing again

>>15768755
It's obviously machine learning AI that's gone rogue and flags exponentially more viewers as bots every day. I highly doubt this is a desirable behavior for Youtube, but they might not even know a problem exists. Once it's done with Vtubers, it will probably move to normal streamers. Jun will become a 15k streamer in 2 month, and then 5k streamer in 6 month.

>>15768849
I like numbers, even if fake

>>15768797
kek what the fuck

>>15768797
And that's why CCV is a joke

>>15768226
Looks like someone /here/ already made a post. Screenshots and all are the same.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/rv0cbv/there_is_something_really_wrong_with_how_youtube/

>>15768844
You have no proof of that and there's zero reason for Youtube to cull actual genuine viewers that don't use adblock. If you unironically subscribe to schizo conspiracy theories that Youtube hates anime, you're a retard and have no idea how businesses work in real life.

>>15768755
I mean, this may be stupid data mining trick 101, but this regression looks pretty convincing that something has been fucked for some time.

>>15768877
Tried that now and it changes nothing, it still thinks I'm a bot

What do we call this culling event? Just Dec 2021 cull is bad taste, what about Christmas Cull Massacre or the last Christmas Karaoke

>The only one hit 10k in a solo stream today

>>15767985
Already explained here >>15765730

>>15768797
This has been the case for me since at least last cull, I only noticed it some time February or March. Nothing I did helped, tried different devices, I also tested while visiting the other side of the country, so it's probably the account. I use my vtuber account to only watch vtubers, so I guess that's bot behaviour.

>>15769083
Judgment Day

>>15768960
how do businesses work then, are you trying to say they haven't repeatedly taken stances on controversial topics in the last 10 years at the expense of profit, particularly well-off technology and media businesses?

>>15768960
>and there's zero reason for Youtube to cull actual genuine viewers
Anon, read this
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3399767

>YouTube doesn’t allow anything that artificially increases the number of views, likes, comments, or other metrics either by using automatic systems or serving up videos to unsuspecting viewers.
Fair enougjh. Then
>Page traffic found to be artificial will not be counted on YouTube and can lead to strikes on your account.
Also fair enough. But then
>Suspended accounts and subscribers that are identified as spam will not count toward your total number of subscribers or views. These aren't active viewers, so their removal shouldn’t impact your views or watch time.

There lies the problem. They are outright saying
>whoever we determine to be a "spam viewer" is not even real so you won't miss them
Except they may just have changed what they consider a spam viewer. Maybe it's a viewer that views too much of the same content. Maybe is people that view content they consider to be spam.

Whatever they're doing is not an accident, it is a threshold they set for "spam viewer". They just upped the stakes now making it harder for you to not be considered one

>>15769083
The Nightmare Before Christmas

>>15769135
Asdf, I'm both a speedreading and speedtyping retard. I meant I haven't counted for CCV since at least February or March. It also doesn't seem to count me as a VOD view, but this autumn I noticed that it seemed to have started counting my VOD views again.

It's funny that all this shit started when Pekora decided to not stream in Dec. 24.

>>15769083
do we even know whats happening

>>15769183
but this is after christmas

Do you guys think youtube should just hide the CCV?
We still have VODs and likes can numberfag

Damn it, Gura please streams. All these numbers gave me anxiety.

My Youtube premium account counts as a view, so I guess I'm not a bot.

>>15769236
lol
what if youtube removes all numbers

>>15769236
YouTube will hide ccv when some tranny YouTuber get their nonexistant feefee hurt when they saw their shit numbers.

>>15769236
You joke but it genuinely doesn't seem impossible at some point down the road after they removed dislikes.

>>15769236
Just change ccv to total vod views like nnd

So since YouTube, and by extension Hololive, are now irrelevant, what kind of numbers are we expecting for Mizkif's appearance on Ironmouse's Speak of the Devil talk show?

>>15769181
The thing is that they still count as views (VOD views) in the system where Youtube pays creators.
What the fuck is the point of culling CCV when the VOD views, which is what determines pay, is left relatively untouched.

>>15769393
30K-40K is my bet especially with chat hoppers

Vanced + Incognito mode
Stream had no viewers before

>>15769465
what about vanced without incog?

Remember that time when streaming minecraft guarantee you 10k+ ccv? Good times

>>15769135
I watch vtubers on my regular account, I watch a fairly wide variety from different companies + indies plus a whole bunch of other non-chuuba content, I'm membered to 3 different ones and send superchats occassionaly, I don't spam stamps or 草 in chat. How in the fuck could Youtube think I'm a bot but a viewer watching on a device that isn't signed in with the same IP as 1 of the 2 people watching isn't? This is either beyond incompetent or something intentional and I'm starting to think it's the latter.

>>15769393
Nobody cares about twitchbots

>>15768246
We don't talk about that disrespectful motherfucker here, tourist.

>>15769518
If you have an account, you're a bot. Sorry but that's just how it is

>>15769407
>What the fuck is the point of culling CCV
You can ask them.
There is at very least of one reason, one trend that for the past 10 years plagues all public sites with user contributed confent: they chose long ago to *never* show the unfiltered untouched stream of data coming out of a system.

Back in the days your "wall" was the list of posts made by people in your friend / follow / subscribe list, in cronological order. Today it is an "algorithmically" (not really) curated list.

Back in the days the number of live views in a video was, well, the number of devices connected to the video source currently receiving the video. Now it is am algorithmically determined number based on a series of calculations that involve "bot check", "spam check", "social credit check" (not kidding, bili2 likely works like that) and "boosters" (Twitch works like that, or tried).

There is more money to be made carefully controlling the flow of information than on actually providing information. That's a profit motive not to be underestimated

>>15769528

>>15769518
Do you watch normie content or anything else other than chuubas regularly? If not, then Youtube might think you are a bot.

>>15769518
Wouldn't be the first time their AI fuck things up without reason. Ironically botting with new accounts is the only way to fight this measure meant to fight them in the first place

>>15768995
Would make sense, as I started smelling number fuckery since before Christmas on both Pekora and Haachama's channels.

Is it normal for Honma to be under 1k (even on a talking part)?

>>15769625
Yes, not exactly the trash that appears on the trending page but I spend around the same time watching food/history/travel videos and music as I do watching vtubers

>>15769479
It still counts me as a viewer
It's a 10y old account with premium tho

>>15769703
>those likes
no

>>15769726
>premium
that must be it

>>15769703
no, she usually gets 2k-3k

>>15769703
No is not, Himawari was getting shit numbers but not to this level.

>>15769703
These JP numbers make me realize nijien are actually not midgets at all
They even have better numbers than low tier HoloJP or mid tier niji female

>>15768419
its literally an anti-boxpush flag, thinking those users are kpop bots or some shit
thats why towa got fucked over so hard, she has very few unique viewers who dont watch other holos
niji's normalfags who only tune in for events dont get flagged because theyre probably watching jun or some shitty japanese news show most of the time

>>15769713
Okay new rrat: If Youtube detects you browsing a lot of different chuubas and going to their streams/videos, they will flag you as a bot no matter your video history.

Browsing chuubas takes more than 50% of my Youtube usage, yet I'm not counted as a viewer due to my affiliation with "VTubers"

>>15769642
Meanwhile Towa's views are now just about 400k for the day, which is an 18.4 View to CCV ratio. This is the functional equivalent of taking NJU's 185.6k peak viewers to just under 65k.

>>15769780
Vox was above a ton of holos today.

>>15769844
AsaMio being down to nearly below 4k is crazy

>>15769802
Perhaps, I guess we'll see what happens with Luna tomorrow. But this flag has been growing consistently over time, so I don't think it's purely because it's Towa here.

>>15769780
so reimu is not a 3views?

Pekora vod going to 1 million soon.

Just tested I was a bot all along too on a 0 view stream. No ublock or premium but viewers stayed 0. Feels kinda weird I wasn't contributing CCV to a few chuubas that I membered

I don't use AdBlock and I got yt premium, and still don't get counted for ccv

>>15769083
The Curse of the 25th

Okay, what the fuck is going on here?

https://holo.poi.cat/stream/uErSlSZKLUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uErSlSZKLUg

How the fuck does this have over 200,000 VOD views? Even with triple the average views I wouldn't expect 200k after 2 and a half hours. And it isn't even done processing yet.

For example, here's another (post cull) VOD with 4.1k average, half an hour longer (and 3 days old) that still hasn't reached 200k.

https://holo.poi.cat/stream/YtffykcQzjM

>>15769780
It's why it's retarded why NijiEN fags didn't believe in the 2020 cull.
It only serves to make them look better if it's true and NijiEN is actually losing a decent percentage of their viewership.

Even my oshi... fuck you youtube

>>15769938
Testing in a private window having Adblock on or off made no difference, I think we were wrong on that front all along

>HoloEN Ochame Kinou already has 1M views
How? I don't think it's just because all talents collabed given how VRChat collabs don't get this many numbers this fast. Is it really just JPnikki buff?

>>15769973
she made it to semi finals? + possible buff from previous 1v1 stream with pekora? who knows at this point, what about the unique chat metrics?

>>15769973
Easy, tabbed out viewers going from Peko to Polka stream during the tournament, they probably had both open but YouTube didn't count their view on Polka's stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVfq-5dmi2Y

>Still scheduling outfit reveals
This is cruel

>>15770064
This is really just Putechi's return stream.

>>15769973
HAHAHAHA what the fucking shit
100 times the VOD views compared to the average CCV for a 2 and a half hour stream is the most broken shit I've ever seen

>>15770039
Anon, everyone and their mother were asking for a holoEN ochame kinou cover because the others had it, country roads felt like the consolation prize that you get just to not feel left out of the party

>>15770009
I’m pretty sure adblock has nothing to do with it, so far the only matter seems to be your account. I tested using 2 different browser, both with adblock and the one not logging in counted as a viewer.

Lamy just casually holding the same audience on her superchat reading that she was during the main part of her stream
>before the funnel

It's starting to look like that whenever you are in some live you get "stuck" to that live and won't count as views for any other live until that first one finishes.
That would explain this chart: the only one counted initially were the ones not coming from other streams (meaning her base audience).

Then Pekora's stream ended and whoever came from that stream (at any moment, not just after ending) started getting counted.

Then Lamy went to superchat reading and only her base audience remained.

Pokemon tourney already at 1M VOD views and it's still raising pretty fast, i find it hard to believe this was a 60k peak stream.

>>15770108
It should have been a 100k+ stream. Peko + Pokemon Move Gacha Competition + Big Collab

>>15770009
I just tested using opera's adblock and I do count as a viewer, it was a fornite stream from a guy with 9 subs

>>15770108
Maybe it was a 150k stream all along, the final views look closer to that.

>>15769987
Dunno what strawman that is but the 2020 cull is canon regardless of faction, backed by large amounts of data. 2021 is a different story.

>>15769973
She had losers gather at her stream. While obviously culled it's going to gain decent views with time too.

Advertisers are not pleased with artificially inflated live streaming metrics. Countermeasures for strategies such as multiviewing and botting are being employed. Likes dropped before the stream even begins do not determine who watched it. Only the people that stay count. The age of fake popularity is over, and if you don't like it, you can stream your empire of lies someplace else.

>>15770195
It's over for you bitch

>>Leave a stream that went into superchat reading to watch another Holo
>>Susan decides I don't count as a viewer until the previous stream ends

Well that sucks. Glad things got cleared up though; thanks number anons for getting to the bottom of it so quickly.

When do we start using astrology and voodoo magic to make up fake numbers like youtube

>/numbers/ declares themselves laplus antis after she intentionally sabotages a typical numbers stream
>laplus takes a break from streaming during the darkest days of the cull
>streams valorant on her roommates twitch instead
APOLOGIZE

>>15770229
Wait so if this is the pattern wouldn't that mean the new meta is insular viewers + streaming first + streaming long?

>>15770229
>until the previous stream ends
That's... a possibility? I'll test this out as soon as I can after all the streams I watched today finish.

>>15770039
It's the "Hololive anthem"

>>15769915
I tested this now too on a 0 viewer stream and I didn't get counted even after waiting for few minutes when I was logged in. Opening the same stream in private mode increased the live viewers to 1 after just few seconds. Even repeated it twice with the same results.

>>15769973
>PSSSSSSSSSST
HEY FOLKS

>HAVE YOU EVER SAW A CLOWN MAKE SOME MAGIC?
pic related

>>15770231
You actually can, just watch using multiple browsers and devices without logging in, all of them count.
But not your real account, I wish this is some bad joke.

>>15770303
if youre trying to hog all the viewers to yourself numbersagi style, yes
if you want to boxpush the strat is to stream like >>15770240 and end immediately after 1 hour and not do superchat reading

So when are the VODs going to start getting culled too?

>>15770408
VODs already get culled, EN's Ochame Kinou would have beating Unison to 1M without the culls.

>Towa got fucked over the most of any recent streams
The only logical conclusion is YouTube blacklists your account if you watch Towa

>>15770408
They are already culled, Council debut had to pass 1M views some five times for it to stick and I don't even know if Sana has her 1M on the debut yet

>>15770438
Towa...

>>15770438
Tortuga...

>>15770438
Kek

>>15770195
fuck you i have 2 eyes, thats 2 views

>>15770438
I'm shadowbanned and I'd rather kms than watch T*wa

>>15770351
This is really bullshit, so its deliberating culling logged in users while not registered randoms are counted. That's why tourist centric streams are performing so well now, this measure literally made to encourage botting

>>15770303
The new meta is having a fuckton of gachikoi uninterested in anything but you.
Yes, Susan supports unicorns.

>>15770438
Tortilla...

>>15770438
If that was the case then Susan has my full support

>>15770195
Get in the fucking train (((Susan)))

>>15770500
Chloe won then, I kneel to the money orca

Okay, so who ISN'T being culled? I know some channels are being culled inconsistently, but are there any that just seem completely unscathed?

>>15770498
The new botting meta is piss easy now. How does this shit even hurt Kpopstans and their server farms?

>>15770531
she really has the perfect mix, obsessed gachis who will only watch her and new viewer salarymen who arent flagged as bots

>>15770542
iofy didn't seems to be affected

>>15770498
Should tell Youtube Support how easy it is to bot their livestreams and see if they react kek

>>15770564
They need accounts to SC her which will no doubt get flagged

>>15770564
The best part is she doesn’t give a fuck about ccv to begin with. She’s unscathed by this.

>>15766905
Anya may have to actually become a japanese streamer now, her Japanese only stream does better than most her other stream anyway and that group is the only group that she doesn't share with other ID.

>>15770584
Not if they only watch her, apparently.

>>15769173
>>15769181
If the viewers counts toward VOD view, there's absolutely zero reason for Youtube to not count them toward live view. The problem here is technical, not some conspiracy BS. VOD views are directly tied to ads and to finances. It's in Youtube's best interested to count as much genuine VOD viewers as possible. And when I say genuine, I mean those, that pass their fake engagement filters (i.e., actual people who actually watch without adblock). If we're watching a single tab without adblock and can't pass the filter, than the filter isn't working as intended. Youtube is loosing money on this. The only question is, what is more expensive, fixing this shit, or leaving it as is?

>>15770438
Tower...

FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN

Here it goes
>59,663: Pekora (Hololive)
>30,195: Maimoto (Nijisanji)
>28,832: Miko (Hololive)
>23,477: Towa (Hololive)
>17,175: DebiDebi (Nijisanji)
>16,366: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>14,157: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>12,992: Fubuki (Hololive)
>12,791: Inui Toko (Nijisanji)
>10,095: Hoshikawa (Nijisanji)

>>15770679

>>15770679
oh wow we have a full top 10

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I HATE SUSAN AND HIS 5 DOLLAR PAJEET EMPLOYEES HOW COULD THEY DO THIS US???

>>15770679

>>15770679
Twappie....

>>15770679
Not only this list have a lot of unusual entries it has a lot of unusual misses too
>Subaru
>Ayame
>Hal
All of which came close to 10k in streams they would usually get way over that threshold.

About Hal, here is some food for thought: much like the Hololive audience is shared across multiple similiar content creators with overlapping fanbases so is the APEX audience.

>>15770679
Nijisisters, we were supposed to get gold today. What happened?

>>15770679
Feels like a life time since HoloX came out swinging.

Okay just to confirm, I made a fresh google account and with that I count as a viewer. Existing accounts are at some point getting blacklisted/shadowbanned.

>>15770748
Ironically it's possible that Towa getting fucked over caught Hal in the collateral damage because of the Apex overlap.

>>15770108
Miko's pov on sport fes had 70k on 5 hours long. This stream is shorter which mean it has to have 80k - 100k to get 1m vod that fast.

>>15770645
>The only question is, what is more expensive, fixing this shit, or leaving it as is?
Whatever leaves the most bad press. Unironically, the best solution is for zhangs and Kpopstanis to absolutely shit on YouTube again with their bots.
>Coco doko? we need you to aggravate NGA retards again

>>15768995
Isn't this clearly shows that this shit is accelerating at an exponential rate?

>>15770679
Pakora: not culled
Maimoto: not culled
Towa: culled
Debi: not culled
Niji show: culled
Fubuki: not culled
Toko: culled
Hoshikawa: culled

You have to judge it on an individual basis since it's not consistent.

>>15770645
Probably more expensive to fix it seeing how the VOD side of things is working (it takes 12-48 hours to fully validate every view).

>>15770802
Forgot Mikorone: culled

>>15770771
Yes the meta now is to ask all your gachikois to watch you using fresh accounts or not logged in

>>15770645
>what is more expensive, fixing this shit, or leaving it as is?
I mean, they'd just need to roll back the changes to fix it.

>>15770795
Right, so Luna's anniversary tomorrow will be a key data point. It could completely destroy the trend, or it might confirm it.

>>15770853
Roll back? Pajeet has never heard of this word, Pajeet can't do it. Please do the needful

>>15770807
I believe the real reason the ccv is so fuck was due to the amount of time it takes to verify every viewers, so they’re just half-assing and only count a limited number.

it would be funny if watame and sana has the same ccv