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Previously >>15744788
General numberfag sites>https://playboard.co/en/>http://ikioi-ranking.com/>https://vrabi.ml/>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-rankingHololive sites>https://holo.poi.cat/>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html>https://trackholo.live/en/Nijisanji sites>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly>https://twitter.com/2434rankings>https://twitter.com/2434subscriberTwitch>https://sullygnome.com/>https://twitchtracker.com/>https://stats.roki.sh/Full list athttps://pastebin.com/CCfK7mV
>*laugs in unculled numbers*Maybe hololive should stop using bots
>>15756627>>15756679I'd argue both would be around the same. Miko earnt more than $100k just doing watchalongs. Also, Twitch would rather much like having vtubers on their platform to make watchparties more lively. Everytime Miko/Pekora is on, watchparty goes from a thousand to 6k+. Fans of HoloEN wouldn't mind transitioning to Twitch but for JP, they should hold the grounds on YT. >>15756754You can stream how long you want on Twitch. It's Youtube gaming that had the contract to have Ludwig and Valk stream at least 200 hours on YT every month.
>>15756554Simple: the VOD function. This is the one area where Youtube is (and always will be) lightyears ahead of Twitch.Twitch functions best for the kind of streamer who's broadcasting 5+ hours a day every single day. Youtube is best for people who stream infrequently and rack up large VOD counts.
https://twitter.com/amanekanatach/status/1477935920733364224
>>15756943You didn't actually watch that clip, did you. It was kkatamina who had the 200 hour quota and Ludwig left Twitch for Youtube because YT weren't making him stream ludicrous hours.
>>15756754Anon, Twitch in an “in group” clique. Twitch brass picks and chooses the people they want to succeed and **no matter how big the audience** a streamer can draw, it’s not just that they’ll negotiate a better deal for them, if they’re not in the “in group” they’ll get kicked out from the platform unceremoniously
>>15756943https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DtTwGFwcQs&t=672s150k subs gaming channel earns roughly 30k a month on ad revenue. Youtube doesn't pay by ccv, they pay by views. There's a reason why twitch streamers also upload on youtube.
Ironmouse started moving up recently. Went over Pikamee and Ars Almal.
>>15757045*Caveat, he's got financial ads, those pay a hefty CPM vs what the Holos usually getStill, the point does stand. It's not all roses if Hololive moves over to Twitch, they stand to lose a ton when the only real thing they're getting mucked with RN is CCV since their VOD views thus-far are fine (and I assume the ads served will still get counted properly. If THAT doesn't, then yea Cover needs to basically haul someone's ass out and have a very serious talk since that's actual money and not just bragging rights at risk then).
>>15756943>Also, Twitch would rather much like having vtubers on their platform to make watchparties more lively.Twitch already has vtubers that will do that, it doesn't matter if they're Holo or not.Also Twitch does not care about poaching streamers from YT. They have plenty of streamers on their platform. This is pretty obvious from how easily they've let go some of their top streamers before. Like Ludwig.
Man I don't even bother asking if there's any big event today anymore. It will all get shit numbers anyway
how much will the downward pressure be for the live?it'll break 30k at least right?
>>1575725925k, give it or take it
>>15757134You can't even pick ads as a content creator, only video categories and youtube does the rest. Majority of that guy's video category falls under gaming which should be the same as holo/niji
>>15757259Dunno. The stream has stayed at 25k (with some spike to 27k when gen 5 and gen 6 showed up) for the past 12 hours, so maybe 30k spike then dropping down to 25k again.
>>15757288Hmm, okay, I may have mis-remembered from the last time the vid got brought up then.
>>15756927fpbp
>>15757259Are you talking about Mikorone's or Towa's?
>>15757005At some point this unapologetic leeching becomes almost respectable
Holo numbers
>Live starts>number stalls and goes downGood to know 12 months of 3D live concert data and trends was fake all along, Susan.
HoloEN is done for
Oh no, she's singing Coco's graduation song...
>>15757597i think i saw 28k peak for a bit, but when i refreshed, it showed 24k
Dog is graduating
>still 25kWhat the fuck
>>15757616Small fix
>>15757616>Pokemon>Jump King>Animal CrossingKiara was the only who did something minimally interesting
>>15757616>Highest CCV ever is 18.9kI kneel...
>>15757797Stop responding to low quality bait, fucking retard
Why are vshojofags being uppity recently? They can't even beat Gura and they're saying Hololive's age is over.
Hopefully that faggot Yagoo and Omegatranny learns something from looking at last year's data.
>>15757820Hololive isn't just Gura, VShojo beat 99% of EN and JP too.
>>15757818*SNIIIIIFFFFFF* AHHHHHHH Holocope is such a delight to smell.
what the fuck is wrong with youtube jfc, it's still stalling
>>15757616One of the laziest and most depressed vtuber evers (aside from obvious ones like Ayame) mogging the Holos is objectively funny
>>15757045it's over JP, gura makes 750k a month
>>15757820Pretty sure most of these aren't vshojofags they're just schizos that putting out bait. Which people keep falling for for some reason.
>3d concert>miko>mr koro>less than 30kHololive is dead
>>15757820>>15757892Why holobronies stop caring about numbers as soon as they aren't in their favor?
Time to make new accounts.Start with 24 hours of putting trending videos in the background. Mute the tab instead of the video itself so YouTube thinks you're watching with audio. After 24 hours, watch something holo adjacent (Ado songs, game streams, streamer clips etc) and wait for the algorithm to serve you some holo clips.Even when you watch holos, choose something outside of Hololive to occasionally watch so that you don't get behavior flagged. This is pretty much the only way to save CCV now.
>>15757859>>15757916SEAniggers getting upset about something again?
>>15757906I am nervous at the numbers of Towa's concert, fuckkk
Average CCV for DecemberGura - 23,748Mori - 10,310Ina - 9,895>Nyanners - 9,798>Veibae - 9,689Kronii - 9,484Mumei - 8,155>Ironmouse - 8,155Ame - 7,588Baelz - 6,512IRyS - 6,069Kiara - 5,909Fauna - 5,594>Silvervale - 3,878>Zentreya - 3,312Sana - 3,219>Apricot (Froot) - 2,858>projektmelody - 2,856>Hajime - 914
>>15757936The fact is though, there's going to be tens of thousands of people who won't bother, don't care, or don't know, and thus CCV is dead for chubbas.
>>15757988>Knows numbers are fucked>Still nervousWhy? Just full screen and enjoy the show.
>>15758005This is going to look very different by the end of January.
>>15757979>stop posting numbers in the numbers threadCope
>>15758005Add NijiEN as well
>>15757495Another JK endurance stream? Is she stupid?
>>15757906
>>15758037at this point, both tribes agree that CCV doesn't mean anything anymore, and numberfagging as we know it is dead. true unity...
>>15757988It's time
>>15758037I am predicting 10-15K with culled numbers but with Mikkorone 3d concert having less than 30K, I am super nervous.
>>15758089>/jp/niggers claiming numbers don't matter now that vshojo is mogging both holo and nijikek
>>15758063>less than tier views Kek is this all you vshojofags can muster?
>>15757936100 autists doing this will be just a drop of piss in the ocean
>>15758089>both tribesYou wish holobro! Us nijichad will won with our slow and steady approach!
>>15757820Youtube CCV kept getting fucked by Susan and they inclined, so now they're here to shitpost about how they're the most popular vtubers.Don't worry, it literally won't phase anyone but this thread, since CCV has never been considered the metric that determines who is more popular. But oh it will grind at /#/'s ass.
is the viewer number just adjusted to 25k?YouTube is so fucking bad lol
Hired dancers
>>15758155numbers?
>>15758089I’m scared one of the Nijis I like will turn from a three digit to a two digit chuuba...
>>15758100She's going to get 20k for sure, but 40k might be hard.We saw yesterday that Korone's channel still managed to have some sort of incline, whereas Miko's channel is mega fucked and incapable of moving.Just check the VOD views in 24 hrs and compare them to her Birthday live and 3D debut if you want to guesstimate where her CCV was.
>>15758086Great image anon.
A, twitchniggers are trying to push their chubbas now. I get it, you want to play in the big leagues to. But then you have to acknowledge that twitch is the easiest platform to bot on, pad views with embedded players, boost channels with money and perform raids for higher peaks.If you can't agree to this, all you chubbas can be disregarded and if you do agree then it's also easy to admit the numbers needs to be cut in half to adjust for said problems, if not gtfo.
Well at least some of you faggots are experimenting and trying to figure out this black box of bullshit instead of giving up. I can respect that.
>>15758190They're slowly forcing it up to 27k
>>15758218Susan is telling us that numbers don't matter. Your love for your chuuba is the only thing that does.
>>15758155Proof?
Vshojo inclined hard recently every members is getitng a lot more than what they used to.
>Miko and Korone spurring the chat on to cheer Mikkorone>Youtube flags them all as spambots for spamming the same wordWatch it happen, guys
>>15758190remember miko got 22k with a fucking shill stream few days agoYT bullied miko so hard now a 3D collab is only like 4k over that?I bet the next minecraft stream won't even have 10k
Is there a timestamp of Kiara supposedly calling out the weird numbers with her poll?
At this rate i'm gonna gradute from numbers...
>>15758292Why are you still trying to use this stupid bait?
>>15758238>easiest platform to bot on, pad views with embedded players, boost channels with moneyThis stuff doesn't really happen with the vast majority of streamers though. It's more so that Twitch being less restrictive on what counts as a viewer makes it less likely an actual viewer gets culled.Twitch CCV are closer to real than YouTube CCV because YouTube CCV is completely fucked right now.
apparently they've only gone up nearly 2k since the start of the live.really believable.
>>15758292>every members>only post ironmos, vei, and pink catOgey
>vshojofags thinking they could beat this
>>15758343Why are you replying to the stupid bait?
>>15758063Did my post said that? the absolute state of SEAniggers, I'm just curious on what SEAniggers like you upset about, maybe low payday again? LMAO
>>15758343>>15758375>numbers are bait nowThe absolute state of holobronies
>>15758364Wait til Susan comes in with the fix.
>>15758346They gained 3k likes in the meantime...
How are the early signs for towa? I have a sneaking suspicion that today's stream is going to be one of the most disappointing streams (number-wise) in a long long time Everything since the start of the culling in one palm, and today is in another
歌はじまって30分で10万再生増化で同接はほぼ動かず
>>15757616>Veibae125k views for a 16 hours stream with a 7.4k CCV for 16 hours>Mori's ongoing stream215k views, 7.5 hours and 5.7k CCV>Miko's ongoing stream1.5M views, 11.5 hours and 22.8k CCVI hate Susan
>>15758346It's been hardstuck at 25k for the entire duration. Youtube will not allow it to go any higher. It must've gone up to close to 80k if the CCV has actually budged to 27k after all this time
If you love your oshi you would create a fresh account to watch them
Susan actually gate kept them from. 30k lmao
>>15758344Youtube ccvs are fucked, no argument there.But it doesn't matter in the context if twitch is reliable or not. It is also not relevant if it happens to the vast majority of streamers or not. If the platform is open to massive abuse, the numbers can't be trusted. For all we know there is an unlisted webpage with vshojo embedded streams and a bot farm refreshing that site. Point being, twitch numbers are as trustworthy as a german neighbor to a jewish family in the 1940's.
>>15758418The view numbers aren't accurate fyi. Her last stream has 221k views, not 34k.
>>15758418 (me)>for 16 hoursfuck
What is the chance of Vshojo big three viewers still inclining or will they decline?Who is the latest rising steamer on Twitch that doesn't recline fast?
>>15758418YT is obviously being culled but I don't think Twitch viewers watch vods as often as YT viewers.
I don't even care who wins gold anymore...everything just feels so empty since all the metrics besides superchats are hard to quantify. Susan culls subs, vods, and CCV for no reason.
Ochame Kinou hit 1M>time to 1M: 45 hoursbehind only Reflect, King and Unison (on the Holo side)
>>15758364They unironically can't even touch Mori, Mouse and Vei averages 200k~ after the recent incline and nyanners can't even consistently hit 150k. If that's how their top dogs perform then I don't even wanna see the lower vshojos
>>157584096k waiting with 22 minutes to go.
>>15758501>For all we know there is an unlisted webpage with vshojo embedded streams and a bot farm refreshing that site.Look I get that vshojo sucks but it's absolutely deranged to think something like this happens with them or any popular streamers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjQlKmoFBuA21k watching but it's a premiere
>>1575853044hoursI checked
>>15758577It literally happens with Fextralife.
19:00 1.38 million plays 23,00019:30 1.5 million plays 26,000
>>15758588It's a lot of Nijis and kino 3D shit.Ryushen's past few 3D VODs like this got pretty good premiere numbers too, but this is by far her best one.
The only decent thread on this board is almost dead. Another one of the Asano sisters is going to graduate. This year is gonna be grim.https://twitter.com/asanoakane/status/1477566584738746370
>>15758501>For all we know there is an unlisted webpage with vshojo embedded streams and a bot farm refreshing that site. I don't think so. Vshojo or their big trio is just the newest Twitch FotM
>>15758522That's why he's using ongoing streams obviously so the youtube streams haven't had any vod growth outside whoever has viewed the stream just like vei.
>>15758522Twitch also includes live viewers as views in the VOD, that's why I am doing a comparison with ongoing streams
>>15758484I gave up
>>15758537Twitch users rarely watch VODs do your reps nigger.
>>15758588Yeah Niji still has way better object tracking than Holo. Also 23k now.>>15758627>her
>>15758631Isn't she only on hiatus and not graduated?
>>15758418the thing twitch mogs youtube at is stream hours, literally every of the daily streams are "endurance" streams
>>15756899Eyyy wuxia anon is back. Akeome yo~
>>15758631literally who
>>15758683easier to do endurance streams when half your content is other peoples content
>>15758653yeah they changed that recently, wasn't the case before
Mikkorone singing their new original still can't push it to 28k rumao
>>15758679Indefinite hiatus usually means graduation, I've only heard of like two people who came back from Indefinite hiatus and both were rather exceptional cases
>>15758641>>15758653But there's still the fact that Youtube viewers are more likely to view a vod/stream that is already done than a twitch viewer.Really one annoying aspect about the fuckery from YouTube is now it's even harder to compare twitch to YouTube
>>15758551... I-its gonna be lower than sheep?! Nooooooo
>>15758737It's hard capped. This is the most ridiculous egregious shit I've ever seen.
>>15758666And youtube users barely watch streams. So why are we comparing?
>>15758683react residentsleepers...
>>15758653>Trucks also have a speedometer, that's why I am doing a comparison with sport carsIn the end, it isn't even about Vshojo vs Holo/Niji but Twitch vs Youtube
>>15758683If you look at some of the viewcharts, half of the time for most streams is just chatting, so they're just chilling/watching videos/chatting.I wish if we had any real Veibae watchers here that can tell if she gets raided often, because she has these random 2-3k boosts in the middle of her Just Chatting segments that kinda look like raids, but they're not obviously raids like when Nyanners and Ironmouse get them.
>>15757045Why just not doing both? You can do shill stream on twitch too right? Just stream on twitch and upload the VOD or spam clips on YT channel later to rack in views.
I think I'm just going to head out for some cigarettes until this whole thing blows over, you guys want anything?
Fbking will save Towa, her appearance will summon the bugs in the hills and skyrocket the CCV for maximum peak
>>15758671>Yeah Niji still has way better object tracking than Holo.that's the one department cover still needs to work on. 3D objects in niji's stream feel very smooth. although cover's 3D has improved a lot ever since the Roberu 3D debut
>>15758758At least people are dumping cash on her, 550k yen already.
>>15758816Are you konbini anon?
>>15758769>So why are we comparing?Because retards here keep falling for bait
Jun 80K soon
>>15758750>>15758792don't be retarded guys, they're obviously talking about the VOD views the moment the stream has ended
>>15758418Lol, get fucked ENfags.
>>15758816The head of Susan Wojcicki
>>15758824What were they fucking thinking
>>15758414>増化>化https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q14227380664still not sure if typo
>>15758085With that SC and watch hours, no.
I'm concerned.
>>15758824Comparing Roberu's 3D debut to Astel's 3D debut is amusing kek.
>>15758588>premiereWhy don't they want to stream the pre-recording?
>>15758872
>>15758844Why did I read that as live viewers rather than VOD...I need sleep...
>>15758765>t. newfag that wasn't here when EN was hit just as hard if not worse in Dec 2020
>>15758858they weren't KEKluckily it was Roberu and he was able to play it off as jokes. thank god they step it up with Shien. Shien's model and 3D debut stream were both amazing. I guess the best way to learn is not wanting to embarrass yourself to the masses.>>15758885they've come a long way
>>15758085She gets a lot of SC but this DLC is extra painful to watch, she took 15h to reach the halfway mark once
I'm out for the night, don't forget to screenshot post-stream vod of mikokorone, anons
>13.3k waiting>5.3k likesthis is the correct views to like ratio, do the math when we get the CCV
>>15758806>If you look at some of the viewcharts, half of the time for most streams is just chattingIt is standard for many Twitch streamers, not just Vtubers, to hang out in just chatting for a while in the beginning of the stream to build up viewers since that's strong in the meta.>I wish if we had any real Veibae watchers here that can tell if she gets raided oftenI don't think she gets raided too often. I can tell you that in her most recent stream she didn't get raided but there was some chat hoppers from another large streamer that kept mentioning her and such. She was already breaking 14k before that happened though. That probably boosted her ccv there by about 1-2k.
Towa waiting room 14k, I wonder how long into the stream it will be until the numbers catch up to that?
>>1575887215-20k
>>15758522>I don't think Twitch viewers watch vods as often as YT viewer>don't think>thinknext time check your numbers instead of posting your useless guesses
>>15759000Most of those likes were from hours ago as well.
>>15758356Wait there is more whores then that!?
Look at what Susan did to this poor Niji girl>Genzuki TojiroHer median for December was 2189, putting her between Roboco and AkiShe usually gets *at very least* 1k for her Minecraft streams. Today she's struggling to break out of her Waiting Room numbers, exactly like Aki, Mel and Roboco.
>>15759003I wouldn't be surprised if it barely hits 15k at the end of it
>>15758858It led to one of the most kino and hilariously memorable 3d moments though.
>>15759088Anon... the waiting room is already 20k...
>>15759037based cherry picked vods
gonna bet you towasama 3D wont be able to beat her waiting room again
>>15759065507 watching now, 507 likes
Towa 21k GET (in waiting room, watch her not get it during the stream)
>>15759065Why are you using the text for Genzuki, a man, calling him a girl with a picture of Ritsukin, a girl?
>>15759065now imagine being a literal 2/3 viewer streamer. fuck me, that shit must be soul crushing
MikKorone Vod Part 2 at 1,602,793 views.
1,6m vod for Miko fucking hell the ccv had a massive cull
>>15759037>Nyanners, the most popular twitch vtuber vs kiaraOkay. Now compare her VOD gains to Gura.
So basically, Twitch is still, and will still be the top streaming site. Even vtubers there will incline while YT streaming is a dead zone. I guess it's good to know since I rarely watch streams on YT anyway.
>>15759065You got the name wrong, Genzuki is a guy
>>15759116you may not like it but this is what true gachikoi looks like
>>15758981
https://youtu.be/m43OpHmUxBI?t=532>でも正月だからそもそもあれか、団員さんとかホロライブリスナーさんのみんな、もしかして、お正月で配信とか見ない感じと思って。見ない感じなんかなと思って。だからね団長配信逆に、ーん、どうしよかなって悩んだけども団長がしたいからしようかなと思っておりますdeepl tl, corrected a bit: But since it's New Year's so, I thought maybe all the dan-in and holo-live listeners, perhaps, don't watch things like streams on New Year's. I felt like they don't really watch. So danchou was wondering what to do, but danchou want's to stream, so I think I'll do it.something i heard while watching noel's stream the other day, before this she was talking about how free noon was despite it being sunday when she looked at holodule.
>>15759104With susans help it might even hit 20k live viewers in an hour!
>>15759132>>15759140>>15759154IIRC, didn't Korone's part end with 1.7 mil or something despite getting double the CCV for most of the stream?
>>15759132how does that compare to part 1? Miko's stream had 13k less average viewers
>>15759149>>15759124Gomen gomen, copied and pasted the wrong kanji.Everything I said, except Sakura Ritsuki instead.
I watched the waiting room for Towa get culled 6 times.
>>15759140>>15759132Average viewers were much lower but the VOD is almost the same as Korones yesterday.
>>15758816I want YT's pajeet heads on stake
AAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://vrabi.ml/video/ZjQlKmoFBuAWhat a rare graphIt's premiere though
>>15759141>now compare shit-tier nyanners vs god-tier guralol no, retard. Nyanners is exactly kiara's tier in quality of content and character, and views.
>>15759037>"Le twitch viewers don't care about watching the vods">Twitch viewers actually watch Vods at an almost equal rate to Youtube>None of their vod averages are even half of the sharkkneel
>>15759161I hope the managers are telling them its youtube fault and not viewers suddenly abandoning them overnight
>>15759174It was 1,8 or 1,9 can't remember
holostats recorded a 23k peak in the waiting room, culled to 3k
>>15759141Nyanners still wins since she is more popular. Her fame is pretty much comparable to the "Pekora" of English vtubing.
>>15759204Ngl, this is probably going to be Ryushen's highest CCV ever (premiere or not), even more than Nijirock.Shit is kino so it's deserved.
>>15759145The only reason why a bunch of people here claim YT is better is just because it's where Hololive is.
>>15759243Jesus Christ Susan
>Mikkorone part1>35k avg/48k peak>1.7M views at end of stream>part 2>22k avg/28k peak>1.6M views at end of streamwhat does Susan mean by this?
>>15759132>>15759140Part 12.1M views (after 12 hours)35.4k CCV
>>15759204Premieres are not culled, time to only do premieres
>>15759204do premieres' CCV feel more "normal" to you guys?
>>15758418That's easy to explain. While holobots being culled from ccv, they manage to stay for enough time to count as vod views.
TOWAAAAAAAAAAAnot like this........
>>15759211>viewsWell not anymore thanks to Susan and the recent boost to the top 3 vshojos
>>15759243JESAAASSSSSS that's it bros, im graduate
>>15759248What the fuck is this post?
>>15759249Wonder if premieres are not affected by the cull, or is this is another proof that the ccv is mainly composed of tourists now and regular viewers are not being counted
>>15758887Because they're not Hololive
>that chat speed>still less than 10k ccvth-thanks susan...
You know I noticed Towa has sung Error alot less frequently once she released palette
beautiful
10K GET!!! I KNEEL
1.6 Million at end of stream
>>15759251Don't be a retard YT is still better because it has no time limit for vod, a better copyright system, and a better algo to pick up new viewers, not because it has x vtubers in it.
>wating room 20k+>stream start 3k
how many people in chat?
>>15759290views in the total number you see in their vods. CCV is the imaginary make-believe one.
>>15759251Sooner or later YT streaming will just die out if more vtubers graduate. Twitch has already expanded and courting other markets already so they will probably have a monopoly in the future. Japanese companies are just stupid.
>>15759349>>15759335
>>15759340VShojo picked up new viewers on Twitch even more easily than Hololive ever could.
THIS IS SO FUCKING PATHETIC
>>15759262more viewers got marked as bot for this extreme box pushing
>>15759204>Sudden dropDid I jinx it...
Towa won't beat her waiting room at this rate of cull
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG_ZyOrpwr0https://holo.poi.cat/stream/NG_ZyOrpwr0Here's a 12 hour stream with similar viewers as the MiKorone stream today, streamed 8 months ago and it only has 1.2 million views today.
>Amazing Guest list>It's fucking Towa>11k viewersJesus christ....I kneel Watame...
>>15759311It got culled though. It just took a while.
i can't believe i'm a fucking bot
>>15759340>a better algo to pick up new viewerslol
>23k waiting room>Youtube updates 40 viewers at a timeNGMI
>>15759335so flaccid
>>15759268Started going down during Ryuushen's premiere.
>we know ccv is completely fucked up>lets keep discussing it like retardswhy is /#/ like this
>>15759340>A better copright systemrumao imagine believing this.
I hate Susan so much
>>15759335at that incline rate itll take most of the show to reach the starting number
MARCH ON YOUTUBE WHEN
>>15759416
>>15759387This is what so powerful about Vshojo. They get the most stream watchers since Twitch dominates streaming market. They also openly interact with many big name streamers as well.And they only have 8 members. I mean, if they want to pursue the pop group route, they can recruit singers to beef up the roster. The sky is the limit for Vshojo at this point.
>>15759470To try to find out patterns of how fucked up it isThe thing is, there is no fucking patterns, shit is just fucked in nonsensical ways
>>15759425>Arent we all?
>last samurais continue to insist Youtube is better just because that's what the weeb companies are usingThe absolute state of samuraikeks
>>15759470what do you want us to do? not like YouTube has a channel where they communicate website problemstwitch does
dev why CCV not pumping? marketing soon?all numberfags are literal jeets
>chat speed of light>watching 14kOk susan
>>15759470What else are we gonna discuss? Kneeling to VShojo as they ultimately mog HoloEN in the future?
>>15759470CCV is all I have left in my life. If I let go of this I have nothing.
adding waiting room number to the current number makes the most sense to me to get the "actual" number
>>15759496I notice this as well, Vshojo is the only company with a rising viewer base instead of the other big two.
im like unironically fucking furious and i don't know what to do
>>15759470Bait posters who, having seen the top 3 of vshojo incline off of becoming part of the cancer clique at the top of Twitch, have now taken to shitposting all over the thread and idiots either replying in earnest or the same old samefagging tactics.In other words, same old tactics, just new targets and subjects.
>>15759340>no time limit for vodCan be dealt with by uploading vod's to youtube if all that matters is archiving. But vod views aren't as important to Twitch streamers.>a better copyright systemThis is better ethically but probably a detriment for streamers given the popularity of the react meta on Twitch>a better algo to pick up new viewersThis can easily be dealt with by Twitch streamers also uploading some YT videos, which they can just hire an editor to make some stuff from their streams. And also other social media of course.To me it seems like the smartest thing for streamers in the West is to stream on Twitch but also upload some stuff to YouTube. Twitch is better for streaming.
>>15759527Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if the waiting room just get voided by this pajeet system.
Please, Nene, save Twappy...
>>15759527Or you could just watch vtubers on Twitch and not have to do any mental gymnastics for numbers
15k GET
Not like this number bros.. Im done with numbers...
15k now, let's see if she will pass the 23k waiting room
>>15759340You should know by know there's no point in arguing with twitch beggars.
Where is Fbk? We need the bugs to help push to 30k, their bots bypass the slow incline somehow
17k likes15k viewersYOUTUBE SAIKYO
>>15759550>sour grapes that holos can't benefit from collabing with OTV and inclining since they're stuck on YTDon't hate the playa
>>15759565No, fuck off twitchfag.There's a reason I stopped watching streams on Twitch once I started watching chubbas. Even if the numbers are fucked, I'm still watching who I watch anyways.
Here is something funny>One session of Fubuki 40k fishing had more "hours watched" than the 12 hours Mikorone stream
>>15759548tweet @teamyoutube
>I have come to save this live
>>15759662
>>15759539Whether people here like it or not being on Twitch plus not having as much restrictions on what you can do can help in growth potential. It would be smart for Nijisanji to experiment by having some stream on Twitch more.
Dang, susan decide to act against hololive after pekora and gura outfit reveal numbers....
>>15759651Your youtube vtubers won't be lasting long at this rate once Susan culls them to 0 lmao
>>15759656I'll give you their answer>views are not updated live, spam viewers, etc>if you want personalized help you can get it through your creator dashboardMeaning>if it is not your channel getting affected buzz off
>23k waiting room>CCV drops from 16000 to 15990It would be funny if it wasn't happening to important streams for numberfagging too.How are we supposed to compare Towa's anniversary 3D live next year if this one is so fucked?
>>15759539the biggest difference is niji and holo are established already over many years, vshojo is about a year old only on a platform without vtube giants so theyre just filling in those shoes. unsure where their limit is though most big streamers are like 20-50k depending on what they are streaming and large outliers like xqc who push 100k
>>15759565Why would audience choose their platform based on CCV display? Are you literally just watching the numbers?
>>15759662Thank you AKZi and Roboco!
Hey dogfuckers, Gura gets better CCV playing Minecraft, what the fuck is this?????????????????????????????
>>15759690Susan in the pocket of VshojoSad stuff
>>15759520>chat speed of lightNot really. Both visually, and according to holostats, chat speed is not that impressive.
>>15759474has one would probably be a better description.But don't worry, twitch will fuck over their streamers when they are forced to implement one for videos due to the react meta going on currently.
>>15759706This is the numbers thread, if you can't appreciate Twitch = big numbers, fuck off.
This dumb sunflower just blocked nijisanji's official account...
I think im done with numberfagging.
>>15759706>Are you literally just watching the numbers?That's literally what 95% of numberfags do.
I bet towas 3d wont beat watames in ccv but it will still do so in total views in a few days
Yo leona utawaku is not this low before....
>>15759703Just look at views right after the stream since VOD views seem to be less immediately affected.
>>15759401>>15759161Can some anon go on twitter and inform A-chan or FBK about this culling. Idc much about ccv since the VODs will showed up the real numbers anyway, but it seems the cull is starting to take affect on the girls. I want to but i cant moonrune and i doubt deepL can translate my intention correctly
>Gura singing in the dead of night with practically zero buffs and no announcement>35k>Towa's anniversary live with a guest list made only by god himself>15kAnything else to say jakinkeks
Hololive was using botfarms to boost their views this entire and the new system is simply better at detecting them.
>>15759691I actually want them to do it.Just cull CCV straight to zero while it's plainly obvious there's 10k+ people watching, chatting and voting in polls.Then go out and have some tech journalists put YT on full blast for it's 'completely broken livestreaming system' because its outrageous clickbait and that gets views.
>>15759746>justThis happened yesterday dumbarse
>>15759739>when they are forced to implement one for videos due to the react meta going on currently.Currently they're busy having a discussion with XQC and Gordon Ramsey on Twitter so it looks like they're taking their sweet ass time.
>>15759756last one finally broke 1k after about an hour
>>15759739>Twitch >fuck over their streamersThis isn't Youtube, Twitch is actually run by competent staff
>Stalling at 17k instead of counting the rest of the 23k in the waiting roomFUCK this site.
>>15759756*slashes your small corpo vtuber's CCV*Nothing personal, kiddo.
>>15759768>Towa>Who?There's your answer.
>>15759825lmao
the counter straight up stopped counting people for like a minute there
jesas Susan is raping towa's live views
No way its only 17K for an event stream
>>15759825>Twitch is actually run by competent staffGood one Anon. Got another joke for us?
>>15759825>competent staffyeah, but only if you're a twitch toth which I guess some of them could pass as that
The JPs are reclining hard.
>>15759825Thanks, I needed a laugh
>>15759784And it was already fixed.
>>15759756All vtubers on youtube use bots right???
Watamage... Haachamage... Please... Mercy, I beg of you... MERCY!
>>15759879Twap...
>>15759864>>15759886>>15759891Which site actually actively fucked over its streamers again just a few days ago, remind me of that won't you Youtubesharts
>>15759826>>15759756
Its good to know HoloEN always had better numbers than HoloJPDead country, dead subs
>>15759825
Well mahjong draft getting gold (if that's still relevant) is all but confirmed.
>>15759911if by bots you mean fans that often watch, like, and sub, then I guess yeaht. bot according to JewTube
If it's any consolation we've still got twitter trends
3k likes more than live viewers, still under 5k of the fucking waiting room when we all know how streams grow over timethis is actual fucking sabotage
>New numbers. What do you think?>Whoa. Very nice. Take a look.>Picked them up from holostats yesterday.>Good incline>That's 4.5k WNF. And the numbers used to be something around 10k>It is very cool, Watame. But that's nothing. Look at this.>That's really nice.>Pekora unboxing stream, 14k. What do you think?>Nice.>Jesus. This is really super. How'd a nitwit like you get so culled?>I can't believe that Ayame prefers Pekora's numbers to mine.>But wait. You ain't seen nothin' yet.>8.5k Ayame stream, culled from 33k...Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Mikkorone's numbers>Look at that subtle 3k dip before the peak. The tasteful thickness of the vote to ccv ratio. Oh my God, it even has 2m VODs...>Is something wrong? Watame...you're sweating.
This should be 80k by now bros...
reminder that for most of jps it was usual that their peak ccv numbers would at the very least double what the waiting room had
>>15759825Anon, I'm a Twitchfag but they're not competent. Still, they're much better off than 5 dollar pajeets on PR and Customer Service.
It's obvious Youtube want viewers to watch real life live streamer instead of anime vtubers...I'm not surprised if some of the popular live streamers already complain to youtube that their live viewers are losing to anime vtuber....
So what do we do to fix this?
Am I a bot all this time?
If Towa's new original has a good MV it should take off (relatively), it's genuinely really good.
im already off the deep end im just going to compare unique chat users and shit from Hololyzer of this Live to Towas older Lives from this year and see if theres major discrepancies that way after the show
>>15759984at least 40k this is outrageous
>>15760016>>15759764
The Kanata 3D live number looks great compared to these recent ones.
>>15759983kek
>>15760016Unironically march into youtube headquarters in San Bruno, take hostages, and start making demands
>>15759825>Twitch is actually run by competent staffNot even Twitchfags would agree with this. Although YouTube seems to be worse at the moment.
>>15760018join us brozer
>PakoraRIP numbers
>>15760016we don't...I'm coping right now and think Susan did this to keep numberfaggin competitive since we don't know who gets culled and how much will they get culled.
oh no pekomiko bros not like this...
hasnt even reached the waiting room number yet fucking kek
>>15760016Send them a message kyoani style
Guys ccv is bs just numberfag vods numbers. Just let the schizos have their twitch number.
19k get! Give Towa your energy numberbros! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Where is the MiKorone new song? Is it going to get uploaded to youtube?
>>15760040she probably had 100k with this culling rate
>>15759972Looks like new bot-culling algo isn't able to cull likes added by bots. I will report that to yt stuff, so they could fix that asap.
19k get...
YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE LAUGHED!Her live was the first affected by this.
Some of you guys are alright.Stay away from YouTube hq tomorrow
>>15760145I kneel watamage
>>15760120at this rate i'm content with 20k
>>15759764I'm pretty sure they know. There's not much they can do when Youtube is insisting it's a feature.
>>15760145I'm sorry for laughing at your numbers.
>xmas karaoke relay crushing all event streams since
>>15760145>People keep spamming emotes>They keep getting flagged as bots>Numbers get progressively lower and lower through the year
>>15760131we know but it takes at least a day for vod numbers to start stabilizing..
>>15760145no! not like this watamage!!!!!!
>>15760170From noel's comment i dont think most if them do. Especially those who arent interner/tech savy
Is this a real fuck-up by Susan, or are japanese fans just botting schizos? I know that the idol fans over at japan are pretty hardcore, I wouldn't put it over them to bot their oshi's.
>>15760170They already know, but it remains a question if they consider it important enough to hassle youtube over it.
Everyone shits on niconico but even that site doesn't fuck up numbers like this.
>>15760170They better fix it or else a schizo might stealthily apply a burning feature on their HQ
>>15760170>Youtube is insisting it's a feature.To be fair, that should've been a sign that any CCV talk should be taken with a huge grain of salt.They literally said the number you see may be inaccurate so why does it matter at all?
>>15760196By december 3views will be a compliment.
>>15760145People laughed... At watame and her wife and said both have declined, and look what happened.
>>15760016Get big Vtubers to talk about this to their managers about this? Hope that journalists write articles about this? I don’t know, but I just want it fixed. I feel so bad for them.
>>15760147>>15760074You guys kid but ...https://abcnews.go.com/US/youtube-shooting-suspect-nasim-aghdam-visited-gun-range/story?id=54227864>YouTube shooter Nasim Aghdam visited gun range before attack, was 'upset' with company's policies: Police>Aghdam was a prolific YouTube user who had recently made a series of vegan videos for her channel, her father said, according to police. "I'm being discriminated and filtered on YouTube," she said in one.> (...) when the company changed its filters and she began to lose viewers, her feelings changed -- Aghdam claimed YouTube was censoring her content and not paying her for her videos.>...>When he learned his sister was in Northern California near YouTube headquarters, he grew concerned and told police that "she went all the way from San Diego so she might do something.">...Just saying ...
Probably should make a reddit post again with the waiting room fall-off for Twappi's live. We know they actually read the subreddit
>the likes count reach the waiting room number before the actual CCV
>>15760215It's not just Holo that's affected by the cull.
>>15760215It's a genuine fuck up. Google just flagged 50% of Hololives fanbase as bots and more are getting flagged every day
TOWER 20k GET AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>15760239We need dai-senpai to address this. Last time she commented on HoloX cull, the subs came back even if not all
>>15760215Well I'm a bot according to youtube
>>15760215Even fucking 2views are getting hit dude.
>>15759474https://youtu.be/1Jwo5qc78QUContentID is a good system, the problem is the copyright law
20k GET HOLY SHIT
>>15760250working as intended heret.susan
>>15760277
Kanata 45k solo....i kneel.....
>Youtube is becoming the new Bilibili
>>15760247Damn fucking brother just had to snitch on her. Fucking faggot
Pekora is on the screen and it's barely 20k...unthinkable
At this point we should just start counting the number of likes
It's over for numberfagging, now you can enjoy your oshi in peace without fretting about numbers.Go out and enjoy your lives.
>>15760215Dunno a premiere just got 40k in 30 minutes.
>>15760170>Youtube is insisting it's a feature.This always happens when enough people complain about something. Youtube will never fix anything, just put out a message saying that whatever is happening is just a new feature.
>>15760248The first post got 5000 upvotes, whatever staff Cover has on the website knows it already.It's likely there's nothing they can do.Numberfagging CCV is fucking dead for the foreseeable future, but honestly, no one really cares to numberfag CCV outside of this thread anyways and it might be healthier for all of us.
>>15760307Bilibili inflates numbers to give both streamers and viewers more confidence, Youtube does the exact opposite.
>>15760277>>15760292Real numbers = 40k+ GET
Enter wheelbarrow more cull
Autism puzzle piece shows, fubuki comes out
>>15760325my oshi will literally get mental damage from this and probably graduatehow can i enjoy live with that?
HERE WE GOOO!! CHINK BOOOST!!!!!!!!
FBK! Cmon chink bots
ZHANG TIME TO SHINE, FUBUKI IS HERE
>>15760336Youtube gives confidence to ludwig who can't break 20k
Towa got ayame!!!!!!!
Even if you double the number it's still pretty low considering the stacked guest list. I guess people just don't like Towa.
>>15760335Did you miss Noel talking about it? >>15759161
>>15760351Who?
>suisei>pekoranot even 30k
>Friend appears on stream>Views quickly inclineHoly shit it's not a meme
>>15760247OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR
>this all-star lineup>this piss poor numberhow pissed are you, lads?
>>15760369kek
gura's 30k view karaokes (concerts)....
>>15760377>Ayame couldn't break 9k yesterdayAnon... It's over...
LETS GO BUGS!!!!
>>15760282How would you know?
The guests for towa is perfect for numberfagging but youtube decided to fuck it up. FUCK YOU SUSAN!!
We love chinks now?
not even the bugs can help to reach 30k
>>15760410So old accounts are flagged as bots while new chink accounts aren't
>>15759825sister..........................
Susan can't even kill the bots. Useless site.
>>15760353>>15760354>>15760357>relying on zhangs for last resort.How low have you become /#/?
Towa did everything right this time. Great advertising too. What a shame.
>imagine counting chinkbots as PEOPLE instead of decades long accounts that has millions of hours watch in their platform
>The legit bots are the only ones that count for views
with all these guests this should be on par with vampire slayer Mel's 3d live
>>15760442Go find a stream with less than 10 viewers or so, see if it counts your view or not.
>>15760402She was only wondering if she should stream since people might not be watching streams at that time because of the New Year's holiday, not commenting on her current CCV. Don't see what that has anything to do with them knowing or not knowing about any culls.
>>15760442unironically test it on a 2 view streaming and disable your adblock, if you're not counted consistently then JewTube thinks you're a robosa
>>15760497every 3d live after this needs fubuki as guest
what if its actually the fucking waiting room, are people just considered by youtube to still be there, what if you told everyone to refresh the page
>>15759161I'm holding out on one last shred of hope that this is all because of the Holiday weekend and things will go back to normal once people stop their holiday festivities and settle back into the normal daily grind.God I fucking hope so.
Can't wait to see the vods no. on this one.
>>15760516It's not directly related but it shows they keep in mind how many people are able to watch. So if the CCVs drop then they'll be sure to notice it.
>>15760404doesn't really matter since losing 70% of your average live viewers will be a giant hit to every streamers mental healthLamy
>>15760545We need to compare this to towas other 3d live.
>>15759703It was always like that, a slow incline untill 20 to 40 minutes inThe only difference is that we are know caring about waiting room numbers and back then anons were called out for posting early numbers
>>15760336>Bilibili and Twitch try to inflate the number>Youtube does the oppositeI don't understand at all...
>>15760305That was with bots or after culling?
>>15760542I mean, the cull has been proven with evidence already, it just hits streams randomly.Your last shred of hope should be it's a bug that they'll fix in the future and not a permanent cull.
The moment the stream end, i'll make an article on the comment section of this stream hoping faggots will pick it up and make it a trend on twitter
>>15760560We don't know if the publicly displayed CCV is the same number they'll see in their private stats though.
>>15760593I believe it's before
>>15760512It should be better than her birthday stream. She didn't even have guests in the thumbnail that time.
>>15760566Isn't Lamy already got hit by the cull last year? Her numbers seem normal
>>15760616Judging from Kiara's comment yesterday I think they're the same
>>15760566Of fucking course...
NUUUMBERS GOOD
>>15759825ngl I chuckled reading this
>>15760587Youtube doesn't want cartoon streamers shitting the rankings
>>15760649they are
>>15760616Any anon could stream here? I and a few other anons were flagged so it'd be an easy check.
>>15760290>ContentID is a good systemNo it's fucking not. ContentID is the system Viacom (and other behemots of the industry) forced on Youtube so they wouldn't crush them.Here is how DMCA is supposed to work1) Some streamer uses something that a company considers infringing on their copyright2) Said company sends a letter (or a Fax) to Youtube signed by the responsible for the copyright claiming which video is infringing, which work of theirs is being infringed and demand (under DMCA) it to be taken down3) Youtube, under DMCA, *must* notify the person that upload the video of all of that information and take the video down4) The person that uploaded the video has the option to send a counter notice saying "this is not infringing, here is my personal information, forward to the complainant".If he does Youtube *must* reinstate the video immediately, send the info to the company complaining and wash their hands off.The company then can take the person to court or suck it up.That's is a good system because it balances three things1) Youtube doesn't have to decide if the work infringes or not, it is a matter for the courts2) If the company has a claim and the other party decides to contest they can easily take them to court and win3) When the infringement falls into "fair use" it means the party does *not* have a claim and, knowing that they would not win the case in court, they usually won't proceed4) As the system is manual, companies can't just claim everything ever made by mankind belongs to them (as some company did with FUCKING BIRDS SINGING), they workload means they won't bother going after small infringementsWith ContentID the equation changed: companies just submit everything they own, some things they **don't** own and Youtube enforce their claim on anyone uploading it, and usually without recourse (because unless it is a strike you can't even send a counter claim)ContentID is a dumb system and anyone defending it is a retard including whoever made that video.
>>15760632Ok, then it wasn't so impressive. Would be below 20k without bots.
>>15760649the truth is no one knows what their actual numbers are after last year's cull. it is just that this year the cull is even worse
>>15760442>>15760282>>15760514Ok I just did this and the number didn't go up when I joined, or when I disabled adblock and refreshed a view time. Stayed on 2 views. Apparently YouTube doesn't count me as a viewer.Also that side I felt guilty when I closed the tab of her stream. I was her only viewer....
22k apparently the caps for Towa's live
In all of this, numberfagging getting fucked is such a minor issue... Fucking with ccv affects multiple things, sponsors, exposure, rankings. Yes, stream hatchet is shit, but it exists for a reason, they sell the data they gather to ad buyers/sponsors...And last but not least, the mental strain a drop in numbers will cause to the streamers.
>>15760654it hasnt finished processing
>>15760340considering the slow incline, this could very well be closer to 60k for Suisei, Fubuki and Ayame's appearance
>>15760512>on par with vampire slayer Mel's 3d liveAt **very least** with Haachama's live
OH GOD IT'S DROPPING
Anime incels aren't welcome on my platform
>>15760593that was after the culling, the first sign of low CCV was right after christmas relay. Kanata's concert was probably 80k+
Fubuki is gone along with chink bots.
>>15760510sounds like something pajeet coding would actually do
Lmao i went to a 2view stream and the number didn't change. I've been flagged as bot now
>>15760738Well good thing is that Nijisanji knows how to host tournaments and events that bring huge numbers even with culls.
>>15760743Well we can compare the VOD views with another 3D live VOD before the cull
>>15760654>Apr 10 2021Anon…
>>15760738>affects sponsorsNot really, sponsors look at your VOD views, they couldn't care less about ccv.As for ranking and whatnot... No one other than numberfags care about rankings, the only rankings the might matter are the SC ones, and even then it's not really a metric to how good a chuuba is
>>15760654Easily a 2M VOD once its done processing. Its already up to 1.7M
>>15760743With this lineup.this is an 80k+ live last year.>>15760738I can't believe Cover only numberfagging combined sub numbers in their presentation was the correct choice to avoid bullshit
https://twitter.com/shiranuiflare/status/1477962291115360264>arkprepare for debuff season, 2022 will be the downfall of hololive
>went from 22k to 21k after chinkbots leftHow does it feel to be considered less than human compared to chinkscraps, anon?
>>15760789i find it really funny fubuki an her chinks retinue
>>15760823I think he's showing how stupid the numbers are since everything is the same except for much higher vod numbers
>>15760649If this is really the case your best shot at something happening is to convince the Twitch streamers that YT poached that something is fucked up with their numbers too.
>>15760654i hate it
>>15760512Imagine THIS had about half the viewers haachama had on her 3D live, with the shittiest most ambiguous shilling ever... People didn't even know who the guests coming were...
17 minutes till live end (if standard length). I really doubt she will break the waiting room numbers.
And people wonder why Twitch isn't concerned with YouTube poaching some of their streamers. As long as YouTube keeps being complete retards with their streaming stuff like with all of this it Twitch will still dominating live streaming.
>>15760853he's retarded for comparing a stream that ended an hour ago to a stream 9 months ago. that's how you know he's a blatant shitposter
>>15760823That's the point.That VOD had the same peak and had 8 months to pick up VOD views and it's still 400k lower than Mikkorone part 2.Mikkorone part 2 isn't even done counting views yet, it'll be closer to 2 mil tomorrow.
>>15760654JP is inclining?!
>>15760873
>>15760812great for the streamers.. Oh wait.. Nijisanji sure is the definition of all for one.
>>15760701>If the company has a claim and the other party decides to contest they can easily take them to court and win>they can easily take them to court and winSure. Even if they win, they probably lose more money
>>15760823That's the point anon. That a stream with the same lengthish, comparing the CCVs, the final vod views make no sense whatsoever.
>>15760837And I believe they can watch the analytics too, which is way accurate for just ccv.
are chink bot dead? I only saw 1 spam comment which were changing name repeatedly.It seem comments from any user that was bind to same account are group to 1.
For any anon who got flagged, try logging out. I got registered as a viewer when not logging in.
>>15760910Twitch banned Drdisrepect for whatever reason, they don't care.
>stream actually peaked with the waiting room numberskek
so towa didnt even manage to beat her waiting room this time
>>15760873It makes me unironically want to execute a youtube employee every hour until the anti bot features are reverted
>>15760837God this take comes up all the time and it's retarded. There's sponsors who want to sponsor live streams not VODs. Why do you think there's sponsors on Twitch?
>>15760738Sponsors will care about vod views more on YT.CCV matters more to sponsors on Twitch.
>>15760926Weren't we talking about sponsorships though?
Usually when shilling time start the numbers goes down pretty fast but not in the new system tho.
>>15760910I already know twitch doesn't care about anything.
Every 3D live needs Fubuki and her chink squires
>>15760906they're gonna have to start culling waiting numbers too - it's just ridiculous otherwise
I'm relieved actually>no Vtuber will beat Coco numbers>no Vtuber event will beat Koshien>no Vtuber outfits reveal will beat Gura>no Vtuber archived karaoke will beat Chloe>no Vtuber debut will beat Koyori>no Vtuber unarchived karaoke will beat Gura
>still numberfagginglelIt's all for nothing. None of the numbers we see matter. Graphs, charts, trends. Nothing. let's just turn the thread into /news/ with some SC discussion.
30k likes....
>>15760937>Screams internally after seeing her numbers
>>15760837CCV is still important for live streaming sponsorships, they're sold like how TV stations sell ad time. "THIS many people might watch our streamer shill your product live!". Noel's gyudon sponsorship a year back even had CCV stretch goals. You can't dismiss it entirely.
>>15760985Do you think the money paid for a twitch sponsorship is the same as a youtube one?Why the fuck would a sponsor want to have only 5k people watch their add when they can have 100k give or take, of course there's some inflation but it's still better than just 5k
>>15761014Subs, SCs, Vod views. Only thing we can do, since CCV is utterly broken beyond all repair, and I doubt YT's gonna ever fix it because this is absolutely a 'feature'.
>>15760866how was hololive ARK numbers back then?
>>15760837Nah, as I said stream hatchet and their reports exists for a reason, the data sells. Ranking in medians etc are pure numberfagging, but watch hours as bad as it sounds is valuable..With this hit to ccv pekora better turn up to a 10 hour a day streamer to keep her 2nd place since she it fucks her royally.
>still not reached the waiting room #>Likes going up all the time.
>>15761007I still have faith in Gura's 3D debut. It'll pass 200k
On the bright side... this won't affect Towa's median much since 20k would've been on the far end of her numbers anyways.But since her account is culled, her median is going to be fucked at this point anyways.
SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A REDDIT THREAD ABOUT THIS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>15761085vod views and subs are not safe either since those get randomly culled too. superchat I think is the only safe metric to numberfag about
>>15761085>people with high engagement get shadow bannedBut who does this serve other than scaring off live streamers. Nijisanji and Hololive should unironically go to twitch just to let the world see.
>>15760865> Cover only numberfagging combined sub numbersfucking sad but yes, less headache for them.
>>15760932That's how the system is supposed to work. Copyright as a concept is a concession from the general public to the creators. Here is how it started in the western world>the government of the jurisdiction you hda business granted a you fourteen (14) years exclusive publishing rights on your work and would enforce it so nobody else could infringe on it>in return, after that period, it would enter the public domainYou could opt out of that, there was no automatic copyright on works.If you did you could try to prevent other people from copying and republishing your work on your own for as long as you was capable, but the state wouldn't help you in any way.It was a good deal initially, the whole purpose was to give a hand to incentivize people to be continuously creative. Then, 100 years later, copyright terms was increased gradually until what it is now>life of the author plus 75 yearsIt ceased to be a good deal for the general public, which is supposed to invest hundreds of millions in enforcement for someone else "intellectual property" with zero benefit for society at large because nobody alive will EVER benefit from works made during their lifetime entering public domain.
>>15761109Mate, majority of hololive fans youtube accounts have been discounted as viewers by YouTube intentionally because they don't want anime girls dominating their platform. It's over.IT'S OVER.
>>15761125>redditanon wtf
Hololive will cry and beg forgiveness to Xi Jinping for numbers from now on.
>A 3D stream is barely at 20kHow will the rest of her streams end up like? 4-5k?
>>15761109At this rate it'll be lucky to pass 20k. Youtube is hard capping CCV and refusing to let it go past a certain level no matter how many people join.
>>15761077You're so fucking retarded lmao. Some sponsors want to advertise via VOD, some want to do it via live stream, and some want to do it via both. Hell some want to advertise on the radio. This isn't a complicated concept for fucks sake.
>>15761087Back when the ark season was ending? Shit.
>>15760865>I can't believe Cover only numberfagging combined sub numbers in their presentation was the correct choice to avoid bullshithow does he do it every time?
>>15760654We laugh at bugman, but this is BiliBili tier.It's time to welcome our corporate overlords.
>>15761109Gura's 3D debut under new youtube>24 million likes>$13,000,000 in superchats>42 million views after the video ends>745 Peak CCV
>>15761150YOU WANT TO BITCH ABOUT IT HERE TO ABSOLUTELY NO ONE OR DO YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN TO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
>>15761109>Hololive non-graduation event>200kPick one.
>>15761162>Gura still got 24k when overlapping with different karaokes, 35k when overlapping with an outfit revealI kinda have hope but not that much
>>157611575k is Towa's average ccv, so with the new cap it will probably drop to 1.5k to 2k.
>>15760992Not only, but yes for single big event sponsorships it's good. But they still fuck over their talent in the long run. But that's the general Nijisanji way so nothing weird with that.
>>15761150We love reddit and chinks now. Leave if you don't agree.
>>15761202FUGGGGGGGG :DDDDcan't bypass it
>>15761162>At this rate it'll be lucky to pass 20kAnon she got 35k just a few days ago, during the 2nd cull.
>>15761194
So what are the real numbers? A 23k waiting room was usually a 70k+ affair.
Reminder that for some reason, Pekoras DQ stream was completely fine too. It actually beat this 3D streamhttps://holo.poi.cat/stream/d-Iy2E0vzEwhttps://holo.poi.cat/stream/YsvEWEEUWa8
>>15760778why does this bitch have multiple menacing pictures of her, is she aware?
>>15761250This is a progressive cull. Their numbers are going to get lower as more fans get flagged. A chumbud decides to send some emotes during her next karaoke? Haha get fucked you are now a bot. Even top streamers like Gura will get fucked.
>>15761230It doesn't matter whether you have 100k or 10k viewers if only 1k of them send superchats.
>>15761087ARK starts hololive boom in Japan. Minecraft starts hololive boom worldwide, thanks to pegor
>>15761182Yagoo's luck is SSS tier.Watch as his bullshit game project fails to flop and sees massive success instead.
How do we stop watamage?
>>15761291>Pekora's DQ>only 23k>completely fine
>>15759041https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/office/vshojo
>>15761282Likes rarely go past 50% of the CCV so you take the number of likes a video has and multiply it by 2.25, which in this case would give you a number of 70k
>>15761291the mikorone 24h got progressively worse. probably got even more box pushers marked as bots.
>>15761250More accounts are getting flagged every day. Mikorone Part 1 hit 48k. Part 2 couldn't even hit 30k. Gura's numbers are going to decrease even more too.
Before Towa dropping her EP
>>15761332If only Craftopia becomes massively popular again for some reason.
>>15761313??? It of course matter since it affects what kind of sponsors you can attract?
Youtube(google) new 2 steps sign-in systerm>your username and password>verify that you don't watch anime, video games, music channel not signed major record label, internet historian, Ssethzeentach.failing both means you're a bot
>>15761332>game project>gives the REAL viewer numbers when they do their fan events there, with stats they can supply to sponsors instead of relying wholly on Youtube's metrics.
>>15760701>Here is how DMCA is supposed to workThat's how things already works when copyright holders when send a DMCA takedownThe ContentID system is something apart
I know we're all mad about Towa's numbers right now, but Rushia got rawdogged last night.https://vrabi.ml/video/ltsWv1EHVm4>16.5k peak, 1:34:00 duration>375k VOD views in 24 hrsDYRBI?
Again, it's not the channels that getting culled, it's the viewer accounts. There's no cap or fixed percentage because every stream attract different type of audience.
>>15761392The kind that see huge numbers on a main stream???
>>15761385MIGO DOMINATION!!!
I think it's the youtube AI learning something it shouldn't, like thinking that all accounts that watch a certain group of channels are bots, ebcause that's how actual bot farms function. They probably give it more leeway to affect CCV because it's not as important to youtube.
>>15761312>>15761377This is literally headcannon at this point anons.
>>15761182Yagoo! I kneel. Please save us from the bullshit Youtube keeps giving us!
>>15761282Really depends on a subscription plan Cover bought for Towa. If it was Ultra bot (one they usually buy for big events), then current 20k + 150k bots = 170kIf it was Platinum bot , then current 20k + 70k bots = 90kIf it was Gold bot , then current 20k + 40k bots = 60k
We've reached the time where likes is more than ccv for HoloJPI don't like this at all. Usually CCV is 1.5 or 2x higher than likes but Towa has 32k likes and 20k ccv.
>>15761388FUCK!knowing his luck, it's gonna happen due to xqc picking up the game and somehow funnels the potential customers to hololive earth
>>15761347For DQ? Doesn't seem bad. This was months ago but still
>>15761392>it affects what kind of sponsors you can attract?lol at least look at what sponsorships and who gets sponsored in Niji and Holo before sprouting this rubbish.CCV literally doesn't matter. Branding and image fit matter way more.
>>15761406>The ContentID system is something apartMy point exactly. ContentID doesn't give you a recourse, it just flags and claim / demonetize your video.There is no "counter notice" system, you can appeal and youtube can unilaterally say "sorry, we totally had someone look at it and your appeal is denied" and that's final
>>15761182I kneel
>>15761478*holotopia
It literally couldn't return to the waiting room number in an hour.FUCKING DOGSHIT WEBSITE.
>>15761487I could see it being higher because she's actually playing the game instead of grinding the monster gacha, but yeah, 25k-30k is entirely within expectations for DQ1.
Time to numberfag Towa's post views with her old concert
Pego already 20k waiting....
>>15761150It's at least OFFICIAL anonScreaming it /here/ won't help
>>15761465And even if it is, Gura could be easily hitting 80k on those streams where she's getting 30-35k right now. I fucking hate youtube.
okay so these are the final numbers at the end of the stream so multiply the likes by 2.25 you get 74k
>>15761544Wait 3 days to give it time to process first.Kanata's recent one passed her last anniversary in 2 days. (64k peak)
>>15761414This. It's accounts getting flagged as bots and becoming ghosts. By the look of things it's getting worse every day too. This isn't a one off thing liek last year, this is literal numbers AIDS that is running through Youtube like wildfire.
>>15761487Why are you comparing monster collecting autism to actual gameplay stream ?
28k waiting room for the crazy rabbit.Surely won't reach that number in 20 min.
>でも正月だからそもそもあれか、団員さんとかホロライブリスナーさんのみんな、もしかして、お正月で配信とか見ない感じと思って。見ない感じなんかなと思って。だからね団長配信逆に、ーん、どうしよかなって悩んだけども団長がしたいからしようかなと思っておりますIf it's true, then they do care about ccv and the youtube analytics they have is garbage
that production value is on par if not better than Mel's 3D stream. Cover really picked up progress in terms of their 3D department with props for their home3D as well. shame about the bug
>>15761571
>30,167 waitingthis will get 15k max
DQ 1 is like the shortest legitimate turn based rpg that exists. It's not easy to get hyped over.
30k now. FUCK YOUTUBE!
>>15761606Who said this?
>>15761196>>15761125someone done it oncehttps://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/rte35r/youtube_is_massively_undercounting_live_viewers/feel free to do another, but then do it with more conclusive data and no 4chan slang
>>15761500Disagree, I'd say CCV actually matters if you're trying to attract your first big sponsorship. If you've a proven track record and interest in every other aspect besides Youtube CCV remains high then yes, I agree it stops mattering.
Pekora 34k waiting>means 34k peak
33,744 waiting
>>15761453I honestly don't get what you're on about anon.. Numbers of a streamer affects what kind of sponsors they can attract. Do you think pekora would be the square enix girl if she was a 1k streamer?the thing with Nijisanji is that they seem to love the idea of trickle down, big events on official channels or 1 specific streamers channel. But the trickle effect doesn't happen.
>jwu>peak 23kI'll never forgive Susan.
>>15761621It's Pekora DQ. Nousagi were hyped for it.
AAAAAAAAAAH SUSAN TASUKETEEEE
>>15761465>HeadcanonSee pic here >>15761590You think 20k less people tuned into the Mikorone concert than they did day 1? We know numbers are getting lower every day. The Holos at the start of the cull weren't getting hit anywhere near as hard as this. By tomorrow there won't be a single stream able to get over 20k.
Bros. What do I do. Now that numbers don't matter how do I decide which stream should I watch? Should... actually watch streams?
>Pekora's room>4k likes with 30k waitingSurely this is a more accurate number of likes to viewers rather than Towa's like with 35k likes and a max ccv of 23k
How much vods no. towa got?
Towa at 35k likes, Watame has 28k atm and Kanata had 48k.
>>15761407Of course it's bullshit. A collab like that would normally be much higher in CCV so when it failed to break 20k there were plenty of us who already said it was getting culled.
Japs think people spamming member stamps = getting flagged as bots.I want to see them disable this and see what happens.
>>15761638Noel. I saw it here <a href="//boards.4channel.org/jp/thread/38013920#p38014842" class="quotelink">>>>/jp/38014842,</a> so I don't know how legit it is
40k waiting8k watchinglmao
40k watching before cull happened for pekora..
>9k
>goes down to 8ksusan...
>39,595 waiintgi dont wanna look at it
>>15761590Or...Part 1 had more hype. It also featured sankisei.
>>15761705see >>15759161
Is this the actual pokemon tourney or something?
>>15761638When it was posted earlier, someone attributed it to Noel.
I didn't know premiere's got this culled toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc05le75CfIwent from almost 10k to 1.3k and now barely 2.7 when the song started
>40k waitingIt won't even hit 30k.
>>15761291DQ is as popular as pokemon in japan. Majority of pekos streams were 30k+ before
>>15761684Utter headcannon and your sample size is basically one stream.
>>15761705Yay more mental breaks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc05le75CfITower dropping some FACT
>>15761750Pegor autism tourny.
>>15761750The whole concept is stolen from an official tournament that's either running or about to run so yeah.
>>15760517I wonder if they're incompetent enough to count Youtube Premium subscribers as bots.
>>15759932Remember when Twitch took down a bunch of VOD because of DMCA, zero communication to the steamers that got a bunch of messages saying their channel is going to be terminated because of over 100+ take downs putting their livelihoods in jeopardy?Also the multiple underage sexual harassment that comes out of Twitch staff.I sure the number disappearing magic isn't that bad in comparison.Captcha: GAAYS
Pekora's old numbers are coming back.
Fucking Holostats didn't captured the 40k peak. >only 39.9k was recorded
>>15761788Nice song, towa another hit??
>>15761722Dude, it means we'll get a stream above 30k today.
>>15761770Gura is never hitting 30k again. Fuck if Towa can only get 20k for a concert that has 70k watching then Gura won't even get 20k.
>>15761761This one >>15759422 recovered in 2 minutes. The other one >>15759469 in 8 minutes so who knows.
21k PEKO! NATURE IS HEALING
>>15761651>If you've a proven track record and interest in every other aspect besides Youtube CCV remains high then yes, I agree it stops mattering.Again, actually look at who gets sponsored in both companies.2views get sponsored next to Kuzuha and Kanae all the time.Fubuki's CCV hasn't been top 5 in HoloJP for almost a year until her recent pokemon arc and she gets more sponsorships than anyone in Hololive.Gen 5's CCV is mid-tier at best, but the 4 of them have been bundled together for more than 4 convenience store sponsorships last year.If anything, subcount is more important for sponsorships because it means your advertisement is exposed to more people.
is niji mahjong today?
this is madness
>>15760964That ban must've been ordered by one of the higher ups in Amazon themselves, I'm talking about Board of Directors stuff. No way would Twitch just ban one of their biggest cash cows.
>>15761621You forgot the ojisans that watch while drinking sake
Hoshikawa new outfit stream. Wonder how this is gonna go
>>15761834Hold your horses. It's unconfirmed if it'll affect EN as hard as JP as of nowUnless you're just setting up for a grudgepost of course then you can be on your way.
>>15761854Talking about Gen 5, do not forget Botan is still the No.1 choice when it comes to FPS
Bae! oh no!
>>157618775k tops
>>15761862The draft is.Normally it should be a 40-50k+ stream on it's own, so PekoTournament and Towa's 3D live stood a chance.But from the looks of it, both are getting fucked and Maimoto's channel was not culled the last time he streamed.
>>15761803yes they do, I have premium and sometimes don't get counted.I sometimes watch Tilde, a 6 viewer streamer and the counter doesn't go up.She knows everyone by name and comments when they're in the chat, so it's not like anyone is leaving to subduct my view.Sometimes it does get counted, but sometimes no.
>>15761834Ogey
>>15761862Just the participant lottery, but that should also get a lot of viewers
>>15761893fucking culled to 325
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eurJnOvW1tUAN ACTUAL 2 view, feel free to test your theory
>tourist-central tourney gets decent numbersis this the new meta?
>checks viewer count 3 minutes in>16k, oh fast recovery>checks holo.poi>3 fucking 9 to the klmao im done
>>15761910Nijisanji wasn't affected as much since they attract lots of tourist, and those are less likely to be flagged.
>>15761883>It's unconfirmed if it'll affect EN as hard as JP as of nowkek >>15761931
>>15761803Anon, I have12 month membership to a chuuba and I still don't get counted
Where is that Pekora's 39k came from?
>>15761834Listen you tard Mori got 6k just today, a pretty normal jump king number for her.
>>15761883I feel like it affected Gura pretty hard, her mom collab got the same numbers as Pekora's DQ1 (nowhere near the most popular DQ) and her unarchived karaoke relay finale + announcement was no different in numbers from her previous unarchived karaoke.
>>15761963Waiting room anon.
>>15761686Obviously yes. Give up, numberfagging CCV is a lost cause.
Pekora tournament 70k views in 8 minutes
>>15761854Look at what I wrote, it stops mattering after you have a proven track record. Nijisanji and Hololive both have a proven track record as companies, the sponsors know that they'll do relatively well regardless of which chuuba or liver is chosen for the promotion. Or do you have a list of literal indie 2views getting the same sort of sponsorships Niji/Holo 2views do?
COME ON PEGOR, GET THAT 30KSAVE US
>>15761963Waiting room, but it's stuck under 30k right now.
>>15761963new system to protect out golds
>>15761877>>15761905>5k topsHaha, based on the shape of the recovery she won’t beat her 3.5k waiting room either
>>15761963the waiting room, it's what's been happening the last few days anon, some streams don't even manage to get back to waiting room numbers, that's why this thread is full of people who sound like they want to kill themselves
>>15761963The waiting room. It gets caught just before the cull. Happens to all?/most streams recently
>>15761957This has been happening to EN for a fucking year you shizos, it's new just for JP. Have you just been going lalalala recline when proof was posted here?
>>15761932well it seems to be counting my view at least
>>15761963Waiting room peak I think
>>15762006JESAS
>>15761993forgot pic
>>15762026At no point did Baelz get culled down to 300 views last year you dumb cunt.
>Enter a 2view stream>CCV dropsbros I'm worse than a bot...
>>15762026This level of culling is unheard of and you should kys if you plan to say 50% overnight againDec 2020 algo change has nothing to do with what's happening right now
>>15761953>since they attract lots of tourist, and those are less likely to be flagged.That's a strange way to write:>since they don't use bots
>>15762059>116 dislikespakora desu ne
Susan can't stop the numberrabbit
>>15762070Kek.
>>15762006the criteria of channels getting flagged is so inconsistent. but I understand new streamers being exempted since their audience are new to the channel as well
>>15762059What the f ... NUMBERFAGS, EXLAIN THIS SHIT
>>15762026post 1 (one) bae's stream before the cull that that ever happened nigger
>>15762070negative value anon...
>>15762047Still processing.
>>15762026Can you do us a favor and kys already spic schizo
>>15761963Waiting room. Vrabi counts waiting room too, so if live peak CCV doesn't exceed waiting room's numbers, they will show waiting room's number as the peak
>>15762020No actually I want to kill one youtube employee every hour until this issue is resolved
>>15762059sorry cut off her ccv
>>15762006Her holo fans are watching pekotourney instead
I feel like this Pokemon has retarded hype that what we are not aware of, hence breaking through barriers
kek, shitposters stick out like a sore thumb. even nijifans have to admit there's culling going on. find some other baits
it's still missing like 6k people from the waiting room, what did you do to them youtube, you fucking terrorists
>>15762142anon... this is peak kino
>>15762070Same, it went from 45 to 43 viewers, while likes went up by 2 to 45.I'm the anon with YT Premium btw>>15761916
>>15762047that's normal, dont worry anon. just look at Korone and Miko's vods
Pekora fighting against this cull through sheer force of will, it could have been a 70k+ stream
>>15762068>>15762075>>15762103>>15762112>no argumentsI swear you guys are fucking retarded
>>15762123>>15762059so this is a pekomama tier stream, fuck you Susan
>>15762160hehehehe~
>>15762178>Arguing with someone too retarded to understand percentagesNo, I don't think I'll be doing that
>>15762178No arguments needed to be made to the 15 year old spicschizo with poor education who can't figure out percentage losses
>>15762123Susan trying capping and ghosting pekora harddddddddddddd.
>>15762142They're literally gambling with Metronome. Like, random move bullshit, so of course the nips are gonna wanna see it.
>>15762159NijiEN's the only group not being culled because they're the ones closest to Twitch btw.
This is so bad, it's actually making me depressed to watch the live streams.
Jesus this Peko stream could have beat 100K
>>15762123Guras 191k outfit has something like 150k vod views on 10 minutes
Today could have been a kino day with every stream in the top 5 being over 50k.
>15 mins and still not at waiting room yetWatch it stall under 40k at this rate.Fuck youtube.
based BunnyQueen getting gold as usual, the cullcope means nothing to her
I get the feeling that the cull is flagging more and more accounts and just getting worse.
>>15762243There is still maimoto rraffle but who knows right now
>>15762243>gold in 2022Stop living in the past anonAlso, depends on if this gets culled.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGx7d6QDII
>>15762235Holos had big plans, Mikkorone 24 hours funneling into Mikkorone 3D live funneling into Towa 3D live funneling into Metronome tourney.
>>15762217>NijiEN's the only group not being culledNijiEN girls got hit pretty hard today during America prime time. the male gen's numbers are doing fine right now because their primary audiences are SEA women though I believe their numbers should be higher than the CCV suggests
>>15762243>cullcopeanon... just look at last night, it was depressing
It's clear that holo and niji are being fucked over by this, the indies I follow are as well. What about "normal" streamers? I don't know how to check their numbers and I don't even know who are the popular YT streamers. Does anyone know if the stats changed for them?
So for whatever reason this cull is hitting each channel/fanbase on a different level...
it's literally a tournament where every move is gacha, nips should love this, hope this attracts non flagged tourists
>>15762235It's the best time to treat your numberrot.
>>15762295This is easily explainable, Luna is the one actually on Pekora's stream right now.
>>15762310Towa's fucking live with that level of stacked guests didn't break 25k, I refuse
>>15762006WTF is going on....
>>15762295Luna is on the main stream now
>>15762068>>15762075>>15762103>>15762112Why the hell are you spazzing out? Bae is already past the waiting room, Pekora isn't. It's clear that this ain't hitting EN the same, unless you wanna argue Kiara had 15k, Ina had 21k just yesterday.
>>15762295that's what frustrated people. no one knows what the fuck is going on and the culling amount or on whose channel is at random.
>>15762310If anything, this proves that numberrot was the correct way all along, if not for december 2020 we'd have been getting 50k golds 4 out of 5 days.
>>15762026IRyS just got her lowest CCV peak today earlier, anon, with 3x Likes than CCV and on a relatively normal game (non buff, non debuff) even. I don't know about Gura, but unless you are trying to argue that IRyS somehow isn't HoloEN, clearly this fuckery is affecting EN heavily too.
Same thing is happening to the 2views, this is such bullshit
>>15762006Nah, Hoshikawa is fine, she's at 5.3k now, but jeez.
>>15762361I want to argue Gura's numbers with her mom were sure as fuck way higher than 24k. Even at her lowest 2021 numbers there's no way in hell that was only 24k.
>>15762280Perfect box-pushing, if only susan and pajeets ain't having an orgy every night
These fucking Pokemon numbers are making Mori's 5k look impressive somehow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzV02mFEZ-ANiji did this more than 2 years ago
>>15762390sonybros...
>>15762361It's happening to everyone. JP, EN, Niji, 2 view indies.
>>15762381for all we know those culled people from dec 2020 never stopped watching and we should be getting 100k every day
>>15762390Sony do something!
>>15762217>NijiEN's the only group not being culledKek
did Towa's number finish processing?
I'm sorry for wishing to cure the numberrot in /#/ for this year 2022This is not what I mean, I swear ...
Is this because of Holo X debuts? Susan saw all those huge ass numbers they have got on their first day and said "no anime here fags". Rate my poor tin foil.
>>15762406they didnt invent it either, retard
Can someone check the numbers of Vamkyrae, TimTheTatMan and Ludwig the past month overall? I'm too busy watching Pekora and her gacha-autism tournament.
>>15762341Her last 3D live got 67k and nothing I saw indicated this would be any lower.
>>15762427The VOD? No that takes hours
>>15762427did at least a whole day pass already?
>>15762435Holo X was a mistake. They ruined everything
>>15762449are there any site like holopoi for regular youtube streamers?
>>15762427it takes fucking forever, which is why i refuse to numberfag vods, it's no fun at all
>>15762466>>15762477fucking hell...SC is actually the only metric we can numberfag
>>15762436Didn't say that, retard.
>>15762449valk had a head to head with mikorone and won, SS a few threads back
>>15762427Her VOD views have not finished processing.
>>15762481>They Susan & Pajeets
I thought HoloEN wasn't effected by the second cull due to their New Years numbers, but Bae is struggling to get 2k when she usually gets 6-8k. Debuff game I know but still...
Don't let Pekora's current impressive number distract you from the fact that she still has not reached her waiting room number.For all we know, she could already be at 70k.
>>15762496>muh funHave "fun" numberfagging tea leaf divinations.
VODs go through multiple stages of processing and culling, CCV is fucking dead, what do we have left aside from SCs? Even subs get culled nowadays...
>>15762503sc means nothing to most of them though
>>15762493There's Playboard, I guess ...
>>15762435Susan realized they had paid 30 million for a mediocre twitch streamer who would be trashed constantly by anime girls. To fix show that the investment was worth it they will rig the numbers, simple as that.
>>15762529Do it yourself then?
>>15762525This should have been an 80k stream easy. Big collab right after new year + pokemon move gacha + peko channel
Pokemon tourny already have 119k views.
>Susan capping the Pekora tournament at 40KAAAAAAAAAAAA FUCK YOU SUSAN
>>15762547I know but it's the only accurate metric we have left...
>>15762496it takes like a day before the vod views come to a screeching halt so it's not that bad
it's capped at 40k
I thought en wont get culled but irys' usual 4k floor got culled by half into 2k and now bae too. How is the nijien girls doing?
>>15762525Of course this is still significantly culled. She got way more than this battling Polka not long ago.
>>15762537In progress views
>>15762537shut up stinky orca
>>15762361>already past the waiting roomThat isn't the only metric for if someone is getting fucked by this. You don't just reach waiting room and magically now have the same gain/loss they would've had otherwise. Kiara's yesterday was especially fucking weird as the graph was almost a straight line with a max ccv never going above her poll number.
40k for pekothis should be 80k btw
>>15762550FLIPBROS WE'RE INCLINING
We broke 40K maybe maybe maybe 50K pretty please Susan?
TIme for peko to throw up a poll and see those african warlod voting %
>>15761812No they're not, you should multiply by two that number easily for such a stupid tournament. Look at Foobs numbers on her Koiking streams, gacha+Pokemon= bug number. This time, gacha+Pokemon+Tournament+Pekora usual viewers should get much more viewers. These are in no way her usual numbers given the cull.
>41k in the cull era.No seriously this must be 80k at least.
Broke through 40k, I wonder if it hits 50k
>>15762608>80kprobably more at this point>>15762123
>>15761812No Pekora literally have 46k pokemon battle with polka and shion
Namibia cam viewers seem affected too, only 2.2k with an oryx herd on screen.
Waiting room numbers btfo!
Another gold for Pekora but at what cost?
>>15761932FUCK! IM A BOT NOW
>>15762668Nami bros ...
>>15761932>open stream>-2 viewersNOOOOOOOOO I'M SORRY
>>15762677We don't care about gold now anon. Daily list is forever fucked unless susan fix this shit.
That is a lot of fucking tweets. MiKorone was culled hard.
>>15761932I AM REAL BOY
>>15761932took about 40 seconds but I count as a viewer at least... I think
>>15759161managerchan need to orient the girls how to make use of vod analytics, it's the primary basis for content creators, and a good cope for streamers the mean time
If vtuber startups are smart, they jump straight to Twitch since that is a growing and fertile ground.But of course, /vt/ will be the only place smart enough to manage a vtuber company.
FEEL FREE TO USE THIS AS OP FOR NEXT THREAD
>>15762725of course it was, VoD for first part is already at 2m
>>15762677What's the point of gold when people can just respond with Nene's poll pic and proves CCV is garbage?Extends to comparing youtube and twitch CCV too.
>>1576267760k core holofags hidden
>>15761932>enter>-2 views
>>15761932Stream with this many viewers won't be accurate. Ideally try to find some one with less than 5 viewers.
>>15762736anon we've been shouting twitch debut for nijien debut since 2nd wave, it's not good for daily numberfagging though
>>15762725it was grossly culled. during some high moments of certain segments there were views increases of 20k+ within a few minutes (less than 4 iirc) while the ccv stays the same
>>15761932Stuck at 67 for me despite leaving and joining multiple times.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMTs9LZUQAQcvd3IhWpx8UQUma musume has several streams with less than 10 viewers now, use this instead.
>>15761932>open stream>goes up by 3bros, what do i do with this power
are the Jap fans setting buildings on fire already? or aren't they talking about it at all?
roboco....
>>15761932>Sony's vtuber>2viewWhat went wrong?
>>15762746This is better>>15758086
>>15762887jesas
>or aren't they talking about it at all?kusaMostly they're blame ripple for this
>>15762888>Sony
Toko is doing well, and she only has 3 streams for december.
>>15762887JESAS
I really don't think Iroha is going to regain her waiting room (7.1k).
Pakora is not getting culled. Stop coping. Her like to view ratio is normal.
>>15762887SUSANNNNNNNNNNNN
http://ikioi-ranking.com/?p=6&&keyword=%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%ABYouTuber&filter=1Feel free to use this list of 1views to test urself fellow anons. Also you might need to wait one minute for the live view to update, it happened to me.
>>15762887she will become a 2view next year
>>15762887This is actually tragic
>>15762908once again, this time in english
>>15762926fuck off nigger
>>15762926hey zhang, if you're gonna ignore the thread and come up with bullshit, at least get better bait
>>15762887oofback to the officejob
Serious question, why aren't some Holos and Nijis moving to Twitch's greener pastures? Atleast you're out of range from Susan's scythe.
>>15762668I refuse to believe Oryx-chan is declining after just a single day
Roboco come on 200 more.
>>15762926are you literally an Africanin what 4th world trashhole do you live to still see dislikes?
>>15762912Really good for these days
>>15762926Stop trying so hard, zhang. Anyone who is not retarded can see the cull is real. Go eat some bat soup.
>>15762917Doesn't seem likely for Koyori either (5k).I'm actually surprised Koyori already starts with a 5k waiting room actually.Her recent numbers make it seem like she's a 6-7k peak streamer, but she might actually be closer to 10k afterall.
it seems that Iofy is ogey
welp, I'm gonna go to sleep knowing that Susan ruined numberfagging again. hopefully, Noel's concern will get Cover's people to talk to YoutubeJP and ask what's going on. to people who have 2/3 digit viewer oshi, hang in there, bros. it's gonna be a rough month for you guys
>>15762406who cares
IRyS joined Bae for an impromptu Mario Kart collab, hopefully that can get her to 3k.By the way, do we consider 3k a healthy average for mid Holos now or is that still midget?
>>15762989Horror + collab and ange has good numbers herself. It's really hard to say if she is culled too.
>>15763009Numberfagging is fun and all but I'm more worried about the 2view and talents like Roboco.
>>15762986it's a zhang, someone already identified his pattern and everything
>>15762974>Serious question
>>15762989They were able to quickly restore the number of viewers
>>15762974>greener pasturesTwitch is much more stricter with copyright stuff. Utawaku would be completely kill there for example.
>>15762986He's the faggot who spams pakora and is using that half-assed "YouTube dislike readder " add on that isn't even actually proper since the API update. Aka, filter and ignore.
>>157630303k is good now, susei and ayame didnt even break 8k yesterday
>>15763009kiaras already contacting her manager because of the poll bs. But I doubt youtube will do something about it unless Cover has the balls to threaten severe actions
>>15762974>greener pastures>hololive dominated the market being in youtube for 4 yearsccv is not everything, the girls just need a better understanding of what's going on
>>15763042>Robocoshe will be fine considering she's the 2nd oldest member in hololive and the fact that she is IN hololive. it's the 2views that I'm concerned with...
>>15762912Yeah, it really looks like the more you streams the more you numbers get culledKuzuha and Rize are also strongly affected by the culling tooAnd obviously Korone who didn't stream much wasn't really affected but Miko who does was
Hey anons this might be a newfag question minus views on the "last day" column in holostats means that some videos at at given point got privated/deleted right? It doesn't have to be recent?
>>15763050only stricter with songs currently.. For reacting to stuff twitch is currently lawless.. But they'll be fucked for that eventually.
>>15763049for now but it has shown that it can still happen, roboco had a ncie stream yesterday and look at her now.
>>15763030Who the fuck knows. 3k could really be 10k in this meta
>>15763074Youtube won't give a shit about Cover, unironically social media pressure will help more by bringing it into the public eye and making current/potential sponsors aware that there's fuckery going on with Youtube CCVs.
>>15763009QRD on Susan ruining numberfagging?
>>15763088that's actually interesting, it really gives more ammo to the flagging theory
>>15763088Council knew this was coming all along.Sasuga Lex.
>>15763088But Ayame was hit hard...
>>15763030Nijien tier
>>15763088>Kuzuha and Rize are also strongly affected by the culling tooThe recent numbers they got were very cull-like, I wish they'll stream more often so we can truly make sure.If we get a sub-18k Kuzuha Apex stream or a 7k Lize gaming stream, then we'll know for sure.
>>15763088Explain Suisei and Ayame then
Roboco: culledPakora: not culledThe world is really unfair.
>>15763088interesting theory honestly. But youtube would be completely retarded then
1k more to 50k....
>>15763088BS, Ayame failed to beat 9k recently.
>>15762887Not as egregious but kazamairohach also got hit pretty hard
>>15763088Not true, ayame was culled hard. She didnt even break 9k yesterday
>>15763046>someone already identified his pattern and everything/jp/ already did months ago. Search 36861394 post on warosu.
>>15763191i don't want gozaru to get sad...fuck man
50k reached for crazy rabbit. Should be a 105+k CCV easily.
>15763160Kill yourself faggot.
Roboco 1k! Thank you no. god.
>>15763088Lize barely streams, chihiro stream shitton but her numbers are normal then theres ayame suisei
>>15763077>Susan is killing everyone's numbers making it look like the number and career they built just collapsed especially for 2views.>This is fineStockholm's must be high this year.
>>15763118That still won't do anything. Youtube will just call it a new feature to filter out spam viewers.
>>15763120ccv is down but every other metric isnt, basically
50K PEKORA WE DID IT NOUSAGIBROSnow if we could only get to 70 and 80k...
>Pekoschizo seething at Pekora getting gold despite the culled numbers
Okay after watching some guy with a voice changer play Apex badly for 5 minutes after turning off Adblock and restarting my browser I can confirm Youtube doesn't believe I exist. Tried again on my phone, same deal stuck at 1 viewer the whole time.
>>15763233But it'll make sponsors more aware that declining CCVs =/= declining interest and thus make it less likely for this mess to affect any livelihoods.
Rabbit i kneel
This peko stream is a 100k+ stream if not for SUSSAAAN
>>15763172Ayame's viewers probably are the same who watch other holos, so they were culled tooI'm guessing it's also a question of how the viewers interact with the chatKuzuha and Lize are the same type as holo aka a chat who keep saying うんうん and spam stampsChihiro isn't, mostly because the chat likes fucking with her
>>15762926stay mad chink chonk
Okay if Pekkers gets 60k and above, I will personally offer myself to become Susan's slave for a month.
>>157631917k waiting room to still below 3k views 10 mins in
>>15763154They participated in the Christmas relay. Users who watch them also watch other holomem, so it's very possible that people get flagged as a result.
>>15763120CCV is fucked. Every other metric seems stable so you get retarded numbers like an 11k CCV stream resulting in VOD views equal to a 35k CCV stream a few days prior. Current best hypothesis is that accounts are randomly being shadowbanned as bots for live viewers.
Mahjong draft coming up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGx7d6QDII
>>15763160You must be really mad that she didn't stream on bilibili that one time. She doesn't give a shit about you subhumans kek. She still got gold despite the cull. Seethe, zhang. I reiterate, go eat some bat soup.
Learn the difference.
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>>15763315I'd even say 130k+ if Pekora is as culled as Towa is.
>>15763374>goldthere' still mahjong, lets not jinx it
>>15763383you're really slow with paint bug
>>15763120what the others said on pic
>>15763383
I haven't caught up to the shitshow, but how are the small midgets affected by the cull like .LIVE and such. Is this an automated system or a conscious target by youtube?
>>15763383please screenshot Roboco & IRyS as well, ty 4 the views
>>15763435A lot of nijis are affected as well so it's probably not conscious
>>15763435seems like sony's 3view is a 2view now
>>15763435Most likely an automated system target at bots, vtuber fans just happen to have very bot-like behavior.
>>15763435I don't follow .Live, but Vspo for instance looks like they lost half their CCV (at least from the top ones that I follow like Nose and Sumire).
>>15763485That's bullshit. How are Sony Vtubers getting affected then if they're sub 200 views for the most part?
Pekora's stream has over 10k less likes than Towa's had this far in but over twice the CCV. Amazing.
>>15763509Wait till the end of the week, more JPs will start to realize that this isn't a holiday debuff and there's something fucky going on. Right now they're probably still attributing it to people being away for New Year's.
>>15763383Did Pekora successfully evade the culling as she did back then?
>>15763485>automated system target at botsthat just means YT has no idea how to differentiate bot accounts and just threw together some blanket "IF"s that suppress everyone.
>>15763511their AI probably flag accounts instead of channels, so it doesnt matter. You can test it yourself if you're a bot by joining a 1view and see if the counter rises after a minute
welp...Holostars and Holoid don't seems to be affected yet
>>15763511They got fucked too, Uno was always over 100 for the biggest debuff streams
>>15763511It's not the vtubers getting flagged, it's almost certainly user accounts getting marked and removed from CCV. So, those who watch a lot of indies but get flagged? Boom, you cease to exist in CCV, you are a bot. Just means there's quite a bit of overlap between some of these who watch these smaller chubbas and that watch bigger ones too.
>>15763560Well we all know youtube AI system is fucking trash
>50k getThis is probably a 100k+ viewer stream
This is what happened when you unbraided Pekora's hair.
>>15763540While true, the people who watched Towa's live are her fans, whereas Pekora probably has lots of tourists right now.Her 50k looks big, but Pekora was culled hard too, her waiting room was already 40k.
51k pegor actually beat the system??
Sutopuri at 34k for all of the fags in a NY special is absolutely fucked lol
Could the viewers' nationality responsible for the cull?Youtube takes the country with the major ccv and compared it to the rest, If the ratio is higher than a certain limit then the foreign live view got uncounted/ counts as negative ccv.The reason Hololive got hit harder than niji was that they have much bigger oversea fanbase.EN was less affected because their views vary widely in the world so there is no major country to cull view from?The recent Towa's ridiculous number was because Towa is one of the holo with the highest oversea ratio??
>>15759248Lmao
>>15763609It might have a lot of non-regular tourists, like the Niji special.But i'm more willing to believe that the real number is closer to 150k than 50k.
>>15763606sometimes anons forget how much of a number monster Pekora is
>>15763606Towa's live had a billion guests, there would've been tons of tourists watching
>>15763616Do they usually get like 80k-100k for this shit.
>>15763616fujos do something
>>15763575That's my point, it is not Youtube "fucking up in their bot detection", I doubt they would have anti bot kick in on a 200 views stream.They changed some parameter in their "what is a viewer" threshold in a deliberate way, something like> an user is only a viewer if he stays in the stream for more than (let's say) 5 minutes without tabbing out, muting or obscuring the screenI doubt it is a bug, it is a deliberate change
>>15763609She is at 100k at least
>>15763596She is not getting culled. The cull isn't consistent. Her like to view ratio is normal: >>15763383
>>15763616They not vtuber?How??? Jun didn't get effected.
>>15763627So you are not allowed to have international audience? That's stupid.
>>15763653Their Halloween stream got 129k lol
>>15763652>They changed some parameter in their "what is a viewer" threshold in a deliberate way, something likeHere is some other ways they could have changed it>A viewer, after landing on a stream, will only counts as a viewer for **that** stream for the next X minutes
>>15763684if you have something anime related you get culled it seems
> People wished for the insane numberrot to end during the HoloX debut month.> cull happened and now people can barely see 10k streamsBe careful what you wish for anons.
>>15763653I'd expect 50k minimum from them for that kind of stream. The fact that they're at 34k is HIGHLY abnormal.
>>15763609Pekora vs Polka got 46k, this stream is at least 100k
>>15763383Pekora's likes to views ratio has always been trash, what's showing in the pic is way above her average you giganigger.
>>15763713i didn't wish for shit, fuck you watamage, your live sucked
>>15763713watamage, pls gib back number!!!
>>15763652it could mean that karaokes are going to be heavily affected
>>15763713I wish Susan gets cancer
>>15763627An indie I watch has a 99% JP audience and her views got halved overnight
Mahjong draft waiting room peaked at 10k.Now 6.3k after starting.https://vrabi.ml/video/2GGx7d6QDII
>>15763713watamage instead of shitting on us, do something to that fucking susan whore
>>15763609Nah this is a 100k get. The waiting room had 40K people in it, pekora just got culled less than Towa who didn't even break her own waiting room of 23K.
>>15763557>>15763557She never escaped any cull dumbass, not this one nor the one from late 2020.
>>15763713fuck you watamage!
>>15763609nope, see>>15762123
okay I was watching Maimoto and he got culled the same way.He regained his a little faster though..
>>15763754how they did last year?
>>15763754that stark difference on waiting room... i'd go insane if this beats pegora
>>15763754Maimoto on track to reach peak and surpass it
>>15763754drop wasnt as big so should rever faster since maimoto hasnt streamed a lot
>>15763754It's not breaking 30k.
>>15763790Yup meanwhile Iroha had a 7k waiting room and she's stalling at 3k now after 37 mins...
someone should really look into correlations with waiting room sizes
10k reached and recovered
I'm going to quit numberfagging before we see the end of January statistics, I don't want to see it.
Based maimoto
>>15763804>Towa87% drop>Pego80% dropI guess so...
I don't think Maimoto is even going to break 20k lol
>>15762887Roboco is actually a bot.
maimoto 10 minutes mark:11k ccv26k views
>>1576390520k should be easy, only 10 minutes so far
>>15763905He recovered his waiting room numbers in 7 minutes plus they’re gonna get into the selections so I guess it’ll peak at around 20k or less
This is the sort of stream I'd usually expect to see easily break 20k, if not 25k.
>>15763905Draft hasn't started yet. He's just explaining the rules.
>>15763905https://mobile.twitter.com/maimoto_k/status/1477198653572132864>6.9k likesnijifags expected it
>>15763962He very well could incline to 30k+ then if that's the case. Looks like he wasn't culled nearly as badly.
>Sui MK 7-8k>Inui Toko 11k~https://youtu.be/o7U_Uld_-Lw
Chigusa looks to be hit too. She does occasionally get lower numbers like this, but her likes are closer to what she got before Christmas: https://vrabi.ml/channel/UCkngxfPbmGyGl_RIq4FA3MQ
That's certainly not the chat of a 51k stream, her Jail Outfit moved as much if not less faster than that in April 2021.
>>15763837The more I look at this shit the more I realise there is no correlation, big waiting rooms can recover quickly or get fucked, and the same with small ones. More Holos than Nijis seem to be affected but it's happening to both and the 2views. Some accounts seem to be affected worse than others but then sometimes those accounts can be totally fine for a stream. None of this shit makes any sense and I'm seriously starting to think these numbers are just completely made up based on some formula or other that clearly isn't working as it should. Or maybe it's working exactly as it should, I never know if it's malevolence or incompetence with Youtube.
don't want to alarm anyone but check the proportion of holos to nijis on todays 10k+
What if the culled numbers from every other holomem are the ones that currently watching Pecker as the main tab?
>Daily viewer get flagged as bot while tourist that barely watch stream don't>Niji event will now always bring in BIG NUMBER>While Holofan all become ghostTHE PERFECT CRIME, RIKUN SAMA I KNEELKuzuha also got hit? A small price to pay!
>>15763930Nijisisters, I was assured we'll get gold today. What happened?
14k 14 minutes in
>>15763997Why was she was hit?
>>15763953Perkele
>>157640205 nijis and 5 holos. Ryushen's is a premiere.
>>15764020Imagine if this is the work of some stupid fucker's machine-learning project gone awry. As it flags more people, it picks up more and more 'tells' for bots, and soon the entire chubba-watching population will be marked.All shall cease to exist in CCV.ALL SHALL RETURN TO ZERO!
how much did the raffle got last year for mahjon niji?
>>15764072 (me)Wait Korone's is yesterday, so we have 4 holos and 6 nijis.
Here my own explanation for the waiting room fuckery. Youtube counts all people at the waiting room without checking, after the stream start they will remove any "suspicious" account, they only add those as views after verifying them. So if lots of those "suspicious" account were already flagged as bot the ccv will never recover.I also suspect this flagging is only temporary, and ytb will regularly change an account status based on past behavior. It'd explain why it took forever to process the ccv.
Nothing weird here either. Guess there's just no hype for this tourney.
>>15763905Susan going cap his ass isn't she....
Hey lets look on the bright side, we are going to see a sub 20k gold soon if this pattern follows. Any prediction which stream it will be?I'm betting on a Pekora mario kart stream again.
My oshi and second favorite both knocked out, but least that means pekora is still on and will get bigger numbers
>>15764105Previous mahjong finals were 100k, this should be at least close to marika tier...
so everyone has an 50% reduced ccv now?
>>15764111Gold yesterday would have been fbk+mio horse pussy at 17k if not for mikorone
>>15764144nope, it's fucking random, which is why it's infuriating
>>15764101its 3 holo, 5 nijis>holopekora towamiko>nijiniji noonmaimotoyashirodebi debitoko
>>15764144Yes. 5k is the new 10k.
>>15764144random...
I don't feel good numberfagging anymore. Fuck koreaboos for YT to implement this shit. The most plausible theory is them filtering overseas views seeing how Nijis aren't affected that hard
>>15764020I'm a nijifag mostly but at this point who cares, all that means is Susan gave higher cap lottery numbers to the niji livers streaming today than the holos
>>15764144Not everyone but it's pretty obvious when someone is hit
>>15764131Finals, this is just rules+draft.
>>15764111Out of curiosity, have we ever seen a sub 20k Gold?
>>15764203my poor gozaru...why susan
>>15764170Hoshikawa just about scraped 10k too
>>15764183I guess nijisanjis Japan pandering paid off kek
>>15764203Jesus christ youtube fix your shit
>>15764215I don't think so? The worst gold we've ever had is a Niji debut at 25k
>>15764095You should wish that's the case, Youtube will actually rollback the changes then.
Can someone explain to me why koreans/kpop are getting blamed for the cull? What happened?
this thread is useless now
>>15764228Should've trusted the plan anon.
>>15764203The cope slope
>>15764222Off a new outfit reveal. That's not a good thing.
>>15764244 (me) 3D debut fuck
>>15764248they are known to run actual bots to boost their favorite idol numbers
>>15764203Some anon suspect that the more a holo is relying on the box, the worse they'll be affected. It makes sense that Gozaru got hit really hard.
>>15764203Is it just me or is the cull getting worse? I swear it wasn't this bad on the first few days.
>>15764228Niji's got hit just as hard though?
>>15764096>>15764105Last years draft for Mahjong souls:24k: https://playboard.co/en/video/ILvt3QWClvMTurns out I think people mistook tournaments.Nijimahjong cup is a different tournament I think and this one got 44k for the draft:https://playboard.co/en/video/JFDn3BUuvcw
>>15764268Nijis outfit reveals have less hype and they don’t do the holo strat of delaying until the end for max viewers, especially that silhouette thing
>>15763745Next time Suisei does karaoke get a scraper to see how many individual chatters there are, because there is a major members' only emote spam going on.
>>15764307Not as hard as Holos. Seeing how low tier Holos are getting culled around 75% of their usual numbers
>>15764248A lot of bots and botting-type behavior (multiple browsers on the same pc, multiple tabs running on the same video to inflate views, etc) involved with kpop faggotry, and YT's attempts to fight back against it have resulted in some.....unfortunate collateral damage on chubbas.
>>15764318And it's still not something that only gets 10k, especially from hoshikawa.
>>15764318Hoshikawa does though, and it's her first outfit in a year
>>15764286It's a new algorithm, not a one time thing. It'll only get worse by day.
kek, look at this chart for Lauren>THAT MATRIX DODGE OF THE 2K LINEThis already used to happen before, a stream failing to cross some threshold until it gathered enough momentum to do it by some 1k margin but now lots of streams are doing just that
>>15764318They only have less hype because some get one every month while this was HSKW's first in over a year
>>15764364To think we'd get indirectly fucked by the most worthless subhuman cancer to ever exist.
So.. /#/bros, we gacha for cull now?
>>15764364Wouldn't the smart thing for YT to do in this case be to simply flag Kpop boy bands/girl groups for closer attention instead of pushing out site-wide changes?
>>15764310(me)Nevermind, Maimoto labeled this にじさんじ麻雀杯2022 so it's Niji Mahjong cup 2022 afterall.44k is the number it got last year.
>>15764434>smart>YTroru roru rumao
>>15764362Anon, if we assume this is the same cull that EN got, streams of the same event get heavily affected because YouTube will only count 1 stream as the view of you're browsing multiple streams. Which means pekora is heavily tanking everyone's views currently. EN face the same phenomenon whenever it's a multi view Collab with Gura.
>>15764170>Only events and collabs that pass 10kThis is depressing
>>15764434Prevention is often the key. What the koreaboos do first, someone else is sure to follow.
>>15764399It's so fucking blatant how often streams completely flatline just under a certain x-thousand mark, the cap seems like it's a real thing
Why is everyone but Pekora/Okayu's POV getting terrible views in the tourney?
>>15764434If they believed it was just kpop faggotry, yes, but they also wanted to make sure that OTHER groups that may be botting wouldn't get away with it either.Alas....
>>15764524See here>>15764465
>>15764440(me again)Maimoto got 48k last year. My bad, it's late here.For comparison's sake, at the 30 min mark last year, he was already at 44k
>>15764465This is not the same cull EN got (as did JP don't forget), it behaves completely differently to that one
>>15764522Reminds me of Ayame getting 59998/60006 on her live
>>15764524anon... pekora is also getting culled
>>15764524the people who does multi-stream/tabbing are more likely to get flagged as bot. only tourists or infrequent watchers are left. and they're mostly on the main pov
>>15764465This means that the "Every room is a Pekora waiting room" meme is a reality now lol.
>>15764465there's no evidence that even a 1% minority of viewers watch more than one stream at a time.
>>15764465>only one window countsAlready held true for JP even before this.
>>15764465That's always been the case on JP's side too, nothing new.
>>15764248This
>>15764465youtube already did away with multi tab video counting last year. this time its directly flagging your channel as a bot and removing you completely from CCV even if you only have 1 stream.
>>15764351who did a karaoke recently? Before the cull I mean, preferably after December 25th
subaru fubuki collab hasn't broke 10k yet
>>15764465That's actually plausible as fuck. That wouldn't explain what would be taking Mikorone stream like that.>>15764608I think he means if you are counted as a viewer for a certain stream, for a certain period of time you won't count as a viewer for any other stream
>>15764647Noel
>>15764628Jesus…
>>15764434>simply flag Kpop boy bands/girl groups for closer attentionI think for a site the size of youtube it's easier implementing something site wide rather then trying to implement something that first has to recognize a kpop live stream and THEN cull. A lot easier to just cull instead of detecting what is and what is not Kpop
Looking at the three yonkisei anniversaries so far, here's what we see:Kanata (Day of Views and Likes): 361.8k views, 39.4k likesWatame (Day of Views and Likes): 240.3k views, 24.0k likesTowa (Day of Views and Likes as of now): 203.1k views, approx. 36.8k likesBased off of views and Likes it seems pretty clear that Towa will likely trend better than Watame's anniversary, it may also beat Kanata's anniversary as well depending on how the rest of the day goes.
>>15764647i'm an idiot, after the cull I meant
>>15764608Anon, most people use YouTube on mobile
I actually didn't expect Pekora to actually being able to organize all this in such a short time. Thins are going pretty well so far
>>15764684>I think he means if you are counted as a viewer for a certain stream, for a certain period of time you won't count as a viewer for any other streamThis is the first time I've heard it brought up that EN already had this feature for the past year.
Vox sure looks strong right now in comparison
>>15764310>1.2 hour of participant intromy god the stalling, these blokes are such a numberfag
>>15764647>>15764755Noel and Watame both did and they were massively fucked compared to the usual numbers
Meanwhile in .LIVE side.>Everyone is unironically inclining compared to their relative numbers in benefit to holiday buffs.Is this our year .LIVEbros?
Not like it matters anymore but it's funny that after all the shit talking on 31st holo takes first 3 golds
>>15757314I dont think theres any real reason to believe vtubers dont make bank on youtube adsTheir main markets are 1st world countries (Japan, US, "Taiwan") and any sort of niche filtering would also apply to the MTG guy - theyre both mostly filed under Gaming, the only time youd have a problem is if you get stuck under Youtube Kids, which they arent, or if a couple channels get filed as "Music"now yeah, the IDs arent making money on VODs and ManjiSEAnjiEN might want to try to move to twitch if youtube updates their profile to what their analytics actually are
>>15764744>I think for a site the size of youtube it's easier implementing something site widekek, yea, right.One one hand one single retard can put together Holostats, another can put VRabi, another can put Mado and monitor every single relevant vtuber CCV in real time with a polling interval of 15 seconds.On the other hand Youtube can't, with a literal multibillion dollars budget, do the same>HAVING INTERNAL FUCKING ACCESSto the (let's say) top 1000 biggest streamers, the top 1000 video uploaders, the top 1000 superchat earners.Excusing Youtube because "it's difficult" is bullshit, they just need a two track system>one for the 1% of the channels that generate 80% of their views>another for the peons
>>15764832Considering .LIVE box push just as hard if not more than Holo, I don't know how they got away with it.
>>15764797My numbers かえして
>>15764647https://vrabi.ml/video/7qy4y-lJxlwhttps://vrabi.ml/video/MRuEKg4XCZ0both got culled at least 50% or more
>>15764684That's bullshit when Pekora meet someone randomly on Minecraft their viewcount goes up significantly.
even Iroha numbers drop below 5k with mc stream...I can't even look at lui numbers rn...at least robocco wont feel so bad now
>>15764797Doesn't Kiara's drawing stream beat all of those streams too? Vox's genshin numbers are still quite consistent for his 3rd genshin stream.
>>15764893I assume whats being discussed here is not what it was but what changed
>>15764744Not as hard as you think since there's only like a dozen relevant Kpop groups, they just need to flag their official accounts to resolve most of the kpop botting issues.
>>15764684>you won't count as a viewer for any other streamYes, that's what that picture proves. Viewers tabbing out of Marine into Kanata's stream (don't remember the specifics, but it probably happened when they started fighting each other).
>>15764628Youtube should just ban kpoop
>>15764869Not familiar with .LIVE's schedules but aren't there so few of them to the point where they practically never overlap anyway?
>>15764937No, what I mean is that if you tab out into another stream you cease to be a viewer on that stream but>does notturn into a viewer in the other stream (for a certain period of time)
>>15764832I told you the .LIVE incline is coming, you guys didn't listen
>>15764937we know they left marine for kanata but we don't know the method
Mori's stream seems normal
>>15764966Well they did the box pushing and view funneling before hololive and were doing well for a while.
>>15765009Isn't she in Japan? It seems kind of random who's getting hit and who isn't. Pekora's DQ didn't seem like it was hit for example.
>Idolbu yab killed .LIVE and allowed Nijisanji to rise>Dodgeball yab killed Nijisanji and allowed Hololive to rise>Xmas yab killed Hololive and allowed .LIVE to rise
Peko 55k.
>>15765059life it's a cycle...
>>15764972Oh, I get what you're saying now. But I don't think that's what the poster I originally replied to meant to say.
>>15764911>Vox's genshin numbers are still quite consistent for his 3rd genshin stream.the other did 5k average this one is scrapping 4k.i think the homos are getting hit BUT becasue vox and mysta are still tourist centra is getting offset by them. Shu and luca were just as capped as other niji females
With the previous cull, even the hardest hit usually got their waiting room numbers pretty fast. Meanwhile look at Iroha's numbers.
>>15765009during a mass cull, any incline would be mistaken as "normal" numbers. Isn't she inclining recently due to the jump king speed runs and game totsu. the cull might have just removed all her incline
>>15765105Looking at her past JK streams, nope. Looks pretty in line with her usual numbers
>>15765056Anon peko DQ stream is culled thats for sure.
>56kthis easily probbaly is a 75k+ stream
>>15765078She beat the cap beat the system sasuga number rabbit payback for yesterday.
even with a tournament on, FBK and Subaru would be an easy 10K.
>>15765059>Xmas yabyou mean pakora?
Holox at sub 1k numbers, this early?
>>15765056>https://holo.poi.cat/stream/d-Iy2E0vzEw7:01 19672 / 23596 591k in 2 days>https://holo.poi.cat/stream/ZZZy1NmXKo07:14 25320 / 33404 506k in a month+It got hit hard
>>15765179Easy 20k especially with Fubuki being popular right now and Shuba's incline, 8k is absolutely ridiculous
>>15765165Her peak is down by about 2k+ anon. So while she's been hit, it doesn't seem to have been to the same extent as others.
>>15765217Hey, don't be rude she peaked at 1.5k
>>15765202as the pasta of one anon goes, Pekora is hololive, if Pekora goes down so is hololive kek.
>>15765246Ouch, I didn't check the VOD views for that one I just thought the numbers looked "ok".
I guess big event streams with multiple POVs are going to get hit the hardest by this CCV change?Also all overlapping vtubers will hurt each other even more.
>>15765165Not really? Especially considering she was going virtually unconstested for most of this stream. The speedrunning stream was only around 6k as well until she got her really good time, at which point I think Iroha and Koyori posted about it on twitter and I guess word got around, so it inclined to 8k.
>>15765306Mario Kart tourney number will be awful
>10 hour stream, below 100 CCV the whole timehttps://vrabi.ml/video/8Brh_onC0v0Sony vtubers are actually depression inducing.Feels fucking bad man.
>>15765331It's not so bad, they are worth 1/3 of a Robocco post cull
>>15765179it would be an easy 20k. Subaru was consistently getting 20k before the cull and this is with FBK
kek, matome is really just the mirror universe of this threadExcept they have more niji fellows there
>>15765306So following this rule, the people with the more insular audience have higher survival rate against the cull? That would explain why Pekora still got 20k plus in her jrpg streams considering the "Pekora halo" effect and those stuff.
>>1576535910k is the new 20k. 50% cut remember.
>>15765362Perhaps I treated you too harshly ...
>Kiara join Mori's stream>1K inclineTakamori buff ?
>>15765395>>15765395>>15765395Migrate when ready
>>15765482I mean, anyone joining VC should buff a stream. Bae got like 700 from IRyS joining.
Pekora's stream has 230k views already. Stream is actually around 75k+
>>15765362
>>15765611100K+