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>>15744788
What kind of situation is this? Lamo
>>15744930It's a feature. You like?
>>15744893 (me)While testing this on a random CCTV stream, the viewer count suddenly started spiking with 0 activity in chat.Previously I was the only one watching.
Happy New Year number bros!>AlsoJust got back from vacation, anything new happened ?
>>15745045nene showed that susan started a new culling season and the Nips are using all their autism to prove YT japan wrong
>>15745033someone else might have been testing their bot farms lul
>>15744462>>15744776Looks like I exist, consistently +1 stream viewcounts within a few seconds, but I also have Premium. Is there anyone with Premium who doesn't exist?
>>15744930Susan doesn't like anime girls on her christian platform
>>15745106Around 44 hours to 1M?
>>15741942>>15743429>>15743708so it doesn't get lost
>>15745068>nips tryana prove YT japan wrongWrong as in? The cull did happen?or it did not?
>>15745068>Nips are using all their autism to prove YT japan wrongI don't see them
I'm scared about tonight 3D live number....
>>15744815The most interesting part is that Millie, who does some hard GFE pandering in her ASMR streams, sold the second least.
>>15745090I have premium but the funny thing is I am not registered as a viewer at all. I tried on both phone and pc for 5 minutes each. So youtube-kun how do you even flag a premium account hello
>>15745151that it is happening but YT japan doesnt want to give an appropiate answer
>>15744930>elite 2D streamers have unpersoned fans because Susan hates incels and DT>3DPD streamers need help from daddy google to justify Susan’s investment to buy them off twitch
>>15741942>>15743429>>15743486>>15743708so it doesn't get lostadded context of the second image
>>15745162see>>15741942
>>15745106>>15745129Unless i fucked up my timezones it's 43 hours 56 mins. That puts it as the second fastest holo cover ever after Gura/Mori King and 4th fastest overall, just a few minutes faster than Mori's Off with their heads but slower than Unison.
>>1574516315-20k
This cull shit is inconsistent as fuck, right now I'm watching a 1 view pokemon stream without adblocker and I'm not counted, earlier I watched another pokemon stream without adblocker but I was counted, both used my main account
>>15745172Looks like premium isn't even something their bot accounts for.>>15745151Youtube is refusing to say anything other than scripted responses.At the very least, adblock does remove your viewer count even if you're a premium user.
>>15745090 (me)>>15745172Unsurprised, just wanted to be sure. Looks like premium isn't a qualifier one way or the other.It's weird, I'm subbed to a lot of holo channels, some before debut, I use adblock, LiveTL, HoloDex, multiple tabs frequently, and only got Premium recently. I'm a western viewer. Why am I not a ghost?
>>15744930So, it seems that youtube culls approximately 80% of the viewers for chuubas.
>>15745181it seems that they might have flagged the accounts that were reporting this, this is onehttps://twitter.com/vyoutubebugthey don't even give him automated replies anymore
>>15745172lmao that's so fucked. I have 2 accounts one normal and one for vtubers (with premium) and both are counting as views.
>>15745181Knowing nips. I hope they dont let this go easy and keep pestering YTjp untill they admit it
The funny thing is the solution to the numbers seems to be to bot new accounts.
>>15745254Nah I have Premium and active adblock both and I count.
>>15745171I can come up with two reasons:1) Her fans have used up all their funds for her birthday2) They don't really associate her avatar with her as much as Enna's
I guess it's a matter of time until schizo from both sides start making bot account to boost numbers.
It's time to apoligize.
its over...
>>15745311chink bot farms skyrocketed mikorone stream CCV yesterday when fbk appeared on stream but was culled later
>>15745369
Looks like google still can't process the proper spelling normally.
I went on twitch and there this chick called Emiru and she mogging hololive with 50k views. She part of otk crew that veibae is hanging out with Vshojo inclining to the moon.
>>15745311But why the fuck YT are flagging the user accounts watching and interacting on streams like bots when the real bots re counted as real people?
>>15745277if only gooks also get dragged on this as well, imagine
>>15745378Hopefully they save Towa tonight then, Fubuki's in it.
>>15745277But what can YTJP even do, unless the nips can somehow put pressure on susan, going after her JP underlings isn't really going to do anything.
>>15745446Nah, they're actually view farming and Botting, so they know they're guilty AF.
With all this fuckery happened i guess it's time we graduate numberbros...
youtube japan won't do shit unless a gachikoi pull a kiyoani on them
I'm convinced, Susan watches 2view indies.
IRyS...
>>15745469Losing a whole 1stworld country whorth of investment can be a pretty big deal i assume
>>15745529That would probably lead to vtubers getting booted off the platform then anything else.
>>15745183Didn't Valkyrae collab with US politicians? I wouldn't be surprised if she's getting unfair promotion.
WTF Sui-chan didn't hit at least 10K on her Marika stream.... that cant be real no fucking way susan is fuck up
>>15745644
>>15745644she chipped at that 8k wall for 6hrs and failed
>>15745565lower than sanner peak...
>>15745469whitelist japan
>>15745662Lmao, this looks like the chart for penny stocks when only algos are trading it. Such fuckery
>>15745627Politician collab arc in next.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFJHdT_ie9U>it took almost two days to hit 1 millionReclining.
>>15745772It's good considering the track record of the EN main channel though
>>15745772shitty channel doesn't deserve numbers
>>15745750That's actually the only normal part of the chart, the spikes are for each race in mario kart, it's always like this.
>>15745772It had 50k views deleted at some point.
>>15745772Put that on any Myth channel and it'd make it in half the time. Yes, even Kiara's.
>>1574577243h56m
>>15745772uh, second fastest holo cover ever is bad now?
>Hololive, Nijisanji, Jun, Utaites, Miku, MMDer, MADer, 1stTake, NipsMusicians, Sutoprince, Pmaru, Kizuna, 774, 2views chuubas>Come Home
Irys your numbers...
Yeah shit's fucked. My main account isn't considered human by YouTube. I even turned off adblock and closed every other tab to be sure but I'm still not counted. Kinda hurts to know that I never helped my oshi incline in CCV even though I religously watch her.
>>15745900Fix your shit first
Calling it now, Maimoto's Mahjong draft is going to get 50k+ again tonight and some people are going to say cull doesn't exist, despite knowing it's been completely random.
Actual botting is the only way to bypass the bullshit flags created to fight bots in the first place. Sasuga youtube
>>15745923Same brother, we are ngmi...That won't stop me from watching at all though, I just feel sad because it's like underpaying their work
>>15745947maybe they will post that because if it gets the gold then how is it culled?
>>15745892>uh, second fastest holo cover ever is bad now?In the wide world of covers this hitting it so slowly is unsightly. People are meant to progress. Anything less than 11~ hours is an embarrassment.
>>15746017says who?
>>15745772Not bad for something people were calling an "overhyped announcement"
>>15745947Well the niji nips dont believe it not sure about the fags here
>>15745772Maybe people just got bored of this song already.
>>15746072there should had been an update over there, because no way that the amount of viewers lize got for her outfit reveal didnt made at least one to get a little bit suspicious about this, unless they only care about kuzuha and the main channel
>>15746051Me.
>>15746051Says him, who wants to say "reclining" and be right
So every year december susan does some housecleaning and flags accounts as spam accounts.Reset button for everyone and tell everyone you need to grind again. By next year everyone is gonna be fucking 3views.
>>15746139I made this post
>January 2023>Gold range is 8-10k
>>15746179>By 2025, 2view is gonna be a term of endearment.Damn.
>>15746274the 2holos...reminiscent of the time we spent on /jp/...maybe they even delete the board and takes us back...
>>15746315>/vt/ is deleted>we try going back to /jp/>realize the board got deleted toobros...
Youtube lead dev is a niji-in who got canned with a vendetta against chuubas
>>15745900not today, demon
>Sana joins Mori's stream>Numbers actually go down
>>15746431>he thought "sana debuff" was a meme
>>15745900yeah maybe if you don't lost your shit at around 20kccv that might be an option.
>>15746431>Numbers are going upapologize
>>15746537Shitposters don't care about facts~
Aren't the Mori numbers kinda normal? Even if they're slightly lower, this isn't anything big like what JP got hit with. Same with Ina and Kiara.
>>15744788The new queens of /#/
Youtube is implementing the squid game algorithm on viewers
I know recently there’s been an issue on mobile Youtube apps where the viewer count no longer automatically updates. I wonder if the cull is related to that.
>>15746598That appears to be the case.Whereas some of the JP have gotten like, half their numbers slashed, Mori looks to only really be missing say....15-20%?Goddamnit I hate this. I hate this inconsistent bullshit from YT.Whereas IRyS is definitely tracking way below what she usually gets, like SHE'S been slashed 40-50%. 4k Floor, that's pretty much what IRyS always gets, but now? Not even 3k? Even with overlaps that's still fucky.
There literally should be atleast 2 viewers since there's one who's actively chatting and there's me who's watching
>>15746774welcum to the kurabu
>open IRyS stream>"Oh, god! Not a robot"botbros... we're NGMI...
>>15746774I'm pretty sure you are a bot though
>>15746774could you test on a stream from your region? maybe it's something relatedI won't ask for a picture, I just need confirmation
>>15746751Oh, yeah; IRyS got hit hard. She should be getting 5-8k for this Animal Crossing stream but will probably get half of that.
>>15746774>another PHbros
>>15746751If it's about JP, then I guess Irys might the most effected? Hololyzer released a data about unique chatters overlap between holo members, and Irys is basically the top 2 priorities in EN with Gura for the JP viewers to chat during streams.
>>15746124It's all for shitposting. If the cull doesn't hit major Niji events then it doesn't exist.
>same stream>different platformyoutube cull?
This new set of shenanigan has sucked the life out of me. I'm dune with these numbers. There was some sort of consistency and trend reading before but now it's arbitrary and random.
>>15746748All the phone users are not counted into the ccv now
>>15746774>50% cut for a literal 2view>there could be another anon watching but not being countedAnd susan wants to become a streaming platform? How the fuck did shadowbanning become the default reaction from techtrannies?
>>15746989>a year ago
>>15747208pajeets
>>15746989>stream from a year agodont think you are so clever shitposter-kun
>>15747208Pajeets are running the site
>>15747208No competition, they could cap all streamers at 3 viewers and still make bank
Huh, our usual schizos died and is replaced by Vshojo(false)fags?
>>15747297Nah, they were around yesterday, give em a few hours to get off from work.
Luca was doing polls in his stream. Good participation rate but nothing suspicious. Don't think he's being culled, or if he is not at the same level as Holos or some NijiJP.
>>15744462Ok, so I just spend 40 minutes testing thisI have a pretty old accountNever posted a single comment on Youtube, in chat or in comment sectionOnly watch chuubas the whole dayLike every chuuba video I open, even if I don't plan to stick aroundSometimes watch multiple videos at once on two screensHave uBlock always enabled, never turn it off, even for my oshiI'm still counted as view. Even with uBlock on.As soon as I press play on a video, I'm counted. I checked this on my phone, which is on data, while my PC is on Wi-Fi. If pause the video, I stop being counted immediately. Pick related is supposed to show how viewcount goes to 2 when I start the video, and then goes to 3 when I open it on my phone. If I mute the video, I'm still being countedIf I open a second tab or a new window, I stop being counted for current stream and immediately start being counted for a new oneAnd here's the kicker: sometimes I don't get counted right away. It may take a lot of time to get me counted, 5 minutes or so, even on a stream with zero views. Also, sometimes my view gets counted, but then after like 5 minutes gets deleted. I assume it's because of the uBlock. It doesn't happen every time. When it happens though, I can disable uBlock and I get my view back, not always immediately, but pretty quickly.Obviously, it's just a quick test on a random stream (which is not from my region, btw) so take it with a grain of salt.My personal crackpot theory is that the way Youtube verifies if you're a viewer or not right now is by observing your behavior for a period of time (maybe up to 20 minutes), such as, how you interact with the Youtube tab, how fast you click on stuff, where you hovering your mouse, etc. And this is why it takes them forever to add viewers to the count. This is also why peaks are now basically non-existent, because by the time viewers got verified, they already left. And Youtube also re-verifies you for every stream.
>>15747208We can patch it. Trust us.
>>15747333It would be great if we could test this from watching on embeded sites like Holodex that literally don't interact with the platform as a whole other than requesting video and chat
>>15744930>Miko stream has been active for about 5 hours now>drive by tourists leave a like then fuck off because they'd rather wait for clipsVs>streamer who just opened stream>and actually has an active audience watching and not acting as if they understand kawaii baby uguu Japanese
>>15747333Good work anon. Goes to show CCV is really a trash metric
>>15746599Gross
>>15746943Sorry, cant't find any 2view flip streamers on YouTube at the moment. I did try it again on some 2 views valorant stream but my view wasn't counted even without adblock
>>15747330that ratio is still really high. I think his CCV should be around 3.2-3.6k range
>>15747330anything over 30% on a poll is extremely suspicious.
>>15747330Anon that's pretty much a 50% poll participation which is still pretty crazy
>>15747427you can add based on user-supplied URL on the multi-viewer
>>15747443what about this retard?she just finished her collab with the twitch niggers and lost 15k when she swapped to valoranthttps://streamable.com/5q7o50
>6500 people watching>so that means 33 thousand loaves of breadSANA KNOWS THE REAL NUMBERS
>>15747672damn, I kinda forgot how slow others streamers chats are, I literally can read everything on the left but nothing on the right
>>15744930I'm starting to think Cover should just move to fucking Twitch already
>>15747333>Have uBlock always enabled, never turn it off, even for my oshi
>>15747672youtube has the capability to whitelist channels and is blatantly cheating for their hires lol
>>15747769Honestly, from an advertiser/sponsorship perspective, Hololive must be a fucking goldmine>Captive audience>Able to target based on preferences of streamers+viewers>High engagement rate vs normal viewership
>>15747819and some holos actually did move to twitch but only temporaly because youtube couldnt stop shitting the bed, Miko for example
>>15747819And let go of their monopoly? NIJINIGGER CONFIRMED
Matome mentions that NijiNoon did a poll, but I can't track down any screenshots. Apparently 10k responses in a 14k viewer stream, no duration mentioned. Call it hearsay though since it's filtered through jp posts and google translate.
>>15747859ah, I remember that>YT shitting the bed>Miko starts a stream on YT, barely announces it>more than the usual the CCVand you have to count that there's a ton of people that tune in streams because they have notifications
>>15747869NTA but I remember Ame saying her manager agreed that she can stream on twitch, she just doesn't know how to stream and what to stream in there
>>15747925yeah, didnt she appeared at the front of twitch's page with 15K playing minecraft?
>>15747852most of the games i've bought recently have been because of holos. Mostly it's the "they have to be dumb, there's no way it's actually that hard" feeling
So, bros, are /we/ gonna compile our hard obtained evidence, form a union, post it on Twitter and get thay sweet PR response?
>>15747925Selen as well since she pretty much got her regular numbers playing apex on twitch even though it was guerilla stream
>>15747925>on Twitch*>>15747962yes, I might have a screenshot buried tooPego too was the number 1 streamer on twitch when she first streamed there and had that train thing they do with subscriptions
Lui newest song cover actually outperform IRyS song..
>>15747944>Ame>doesn't know how to stream on twitchrumao
>>15748036Well, at least is something that rui-nee isnt getting mogged...
>>15747297Who would have thought that all it took to kill our schizos is Veibae inclining. Someone seriously had a meltdown in the last thread.
>>15747987Gura made me buy rise and dmc V lol so you do have a point
This is just phase one, anons.With numbers literally halved JPs will also come the perception that the fad is over, and many will stop watching in response. The recline is coming.
>>15747819Naw, Hololive still dominates overwhelming in subs and VODs so there's no reason to leave their monopoly. Ccv is just a meme metric for dick measuring and shit posting.Even within Twitch, veibae has been kicking Nyanner's ass in CCV for a while now, but I don't think she thinks she's bigger since Nyanners still has more twitch followers and YouTube subs than her.
>>15748036FLOPrys is the Sana of music
First niji i see taking so long to surprass the waiting roomit is also my favorite pair of titshttps://vrabi.ml/video/TpStcM9GB5Q
>>15748083>ENschizo, gen 5 Schizo and CouncilSchizo in reality hate vei more than the one thing they got known for in the numbers thread>there's no veischizowhat the fuck?
>>15747987Omori and Mori. Guilty.
Maybe somebody could start a stream on a throwaway and posted the link here, so that a couple of anons could go there and test how this shit actually works?
>>15748109Finally I can groom kuzuha
>>15748133CCV is great for PR. People love talking about big numbers. It's also one of the tools for measuring how audience responds to a content.
>>15748226that's how StreamHatchet calculates their rankings isn't it?
I can't wait for this month top 50 CCV median, it's going to be a bloodbath
>>15748171are you rindou by any chance anon ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTs7tJITQxgIs this the first non-Koromiko stream to reach 10k today on youtube
>>15748036Isn't that normal?
>>15748246Yes, and now the streamer rankings will forever be fucked for chubbas by the looks of it.No more Pekora as top female YT streamer.
>>15748036Omega revenge soon
>>15748246StreamHatchet figured out they can't remove enough watch hours from anime girls so they asked Susan for help
All it took for Nijifag and Holofag unity is for a new cull to bring them below Vshojo.Youtube is the biggest unityfag I have ever seen.
>>15748036IRyS is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to EN music production
>>15748150Debiru also taking longer to reach the waiting roomseems that is starting to become more common
>>15748140She's EN Watame
>Youtube desperately trying to prove that 3d women are better than 2d women.It's over 2d bros.
>>15748386forgot pic
>>15748386Nijis will get the same cull as holos and every single one of them, except Kuzuha and Toya, will become a sub 10k streamer.
>>15748366>Be Cover>Have literal music powerhouse (Mori) and extremely popular singer who's Karaokes might as well be concerts (Gura)>Hmm should we invest money into helping them release music>NO I KNOW ACTIVATE [LA GOBLINA GENERICA], PUT YOUR MONEY THEREThese fucking niggers are incompetent
>>15748484oof, now add the Apex-dead on top
It looks like we're gonna need to rely on Niji's infamously rabid fanbase to notice the cull.
>>15748386>>15748466Tonight we have towa concertPeko metronome tournamentAnd Maimoto Mahjong raffleis gonna be interesting if this pater satrt reapating more often.
>>15748548Did you have a stroke, anon?
>>15748004We're only gonna get an automated response. Also, I doubt fucking Youtube would care about a union as small as us especially if we don't have minorities and POCs on board.
>>15748004send it to Cover and hope they do something with it. Maybe their lawyers can find something to get youtube off their ass.
>>15748439>2D women still win the fight, making youtube seethe moreman, 2D was the superior choice all this time, investorCHADS cant stop winning
>>15748527They don't have any stuff, nor any connections in the US to do anything with Gura. And they can't do anything with Mori or with Irys, because of their lack of 3d. Also, the upside of Mori paying for her own music is that she owns her own music.
>>15748150>Almost 30min and still sub2k>She usually gets at least 4k for zatsu/drinkingNUI NOOOOOOO
>>15748527>>Hmm should we invest money into helping them release music100% that mori would reject their investment because that means she loses all the creative control and she never wants to let that thing out of her hands, this is the main reason why if she was offered the place of Vsinger she would reject it
>>15748527She's not even a bad hire from a music perspective, they just have her sing generic, overproduced, vocaloid-adjacent garbage.https://youtu.be/TxBLSlFKb10?t=50Put her in Council instead of literally any of the others and put the entire vsinger budget into better support for EN's own music projects.
>>15748689>They don't have any stuff, nor any connections in the US to do anything with GuraAnd why would they need anything like that? Gura released a massively popular song (Reflect) all on her own, from the USA, with a SEAnigger doing the mixing and a jap doing the lyrics. You're telling me Cover can't match Gawr "Shorkbrain" Gura handling a project on her own?
>>15748366>>15748527The problem with IRyS is that she is stuck with management that doesn't even understand the market that watches their chuubas outside of Japan. No amount of music can fix that.They should just let her release Covers instead of making her "Generic Hololive Spokesperson in English" like how Sora is... except even Sora is allowed to make song covers and IRyS seem not even allowed to touch them with a 10-foot pole.
I seems I'm also counted as a bot, welp. I guess the temporary solution for now is watching in a new account or not logging in at all.
>>15748653Cover already knows. If there's something they can do, they will do it. Nijisisters should send some data to Ichikara, though. They have more money then Cover, and more interest in maintaining CCV, since they are reclining. Maybe they will be able to do something.
>>15745822cope
>>15748466>collab with toya>cant reach waiting room of 13k after 15minOK lets say hypethetically it happens during maimoto rafle.How will niji jops react?
>>15748707I actually feel bad for IRys if she really has no control over her music production, which makes sense considering the lyrics of her English songs are some machine translation tier nonsense.
>>15748768This.How has it been 6 months and Irys only has 4 covers and they are hololive originals?Let her do a FoTM cover like Animal or Cinderella ffs. Polka is far from a vsinger and her karaokes are actually on the low end for Holos, but she outputs covers like crazy.Ofc there's also the possibility that it's Irys's choice to not do covers, which would surprise me since her PL was a cover artist.
>>15748803someone put the data we collected in the nijiEN thread
>>15748867Phony was extremely popular, even Anya got pretty good numbers there
>Mikkorone gains 20k views in 4 minutes>ccv only gains 200nice website susan
Do you guys think Kamippoi na has a bit of FOTM juice left in the tank?
I can't take looking at these numbers anymore. I'm having a mental breakdown.FIX YOUR SHIT YOUTUBE!!!!
>>15748803>Nijisisters should send some data to Ichikara, though. They have more money then Coverkek implying a trillion-worth company cares about them.
>>15748947It is fixed. This is how they want it.
Why are clipniggers so incompetent?Look at this stupid video about "top HoloEN 2021 clips" massively underselling actually popular clips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qtliOW_np8&t=46sThe most viewed EN clip according to them is a 600k Gura one.Even if we cut cheating shit like Gura singing (which has like 5+ 1 million clips), this channel alone BTFOs that for 2021
>>15748860Does Irys even have the ability to write lyrics and sources for the production if cover will let her take control of her music?
>>15748803best not to assume and just send it to both. At worst it just means they get information they already knew.
>>15748963True, there is nothing wrong on Youtube's end, we just need to live with it
>>15744788congrats you baited me from the OP picI'm checking out the artist now
Is a clip immediately getting more views than the actual stream a good thing or a bad thing?
>>15749007This shit happens all the time
>>15748973Only explanation is that the retard is shilling his channel and his own friends. Hell just going to youtube, searching Gawr Gura, and sorting by views brings up:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFTf7MN9WUk&t=83shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZrYecj7LEAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-sfdsslipIetc
>>15749007It's an extremely normal thing. Hololive should be doing more of stuff like this though.
>>15749057>Mori mogged Mori
https://twitter.com/YouTubeGaming/followingif they arent here means youtube dont give a shit bout some midget streamers
>>15749055Jesus christ the thumbnail for the third one.
>>15749057They SOMETIMES upload official clipLike once a year, or less
>>15748977She'd pay Mori or Lumina or someone else she knows for lyrics.
>>15749007Happens all the time and is a very good thing. The more channels getting lots of views in clipping, the bigger tent YT thinks the community is and the bigger the algo effects are to everyone. Plus plenty of direct referral.Kiara got two Korean clips with 144k and 118k views respectively and suddenly her poll says that 37% of 5784 voters are korean. That's 2140 extra viewers overnight.
>>15749007Happens to almost every viral Niji clip you can think of.There was a time when I wanted to compare the views of JP Holo clips vs Niji clips and there were many from Shiina and Saku that have double the views of the source VODs within days.This also happens a lot to ID vtubers (low VOD counts so clips easily beat them) and some of the lower CCV ENs.
>>15748977It doesn't necessarily have to be IRyS though. They could take up Mori on her offer, or actually hire someone that can write in English - KIRA already wrote Sparks for Kiara, so it's not like they have zero connections there.I mean, Ado is an utaite where all her originals are written by a different Vocaloid-adjacent writer each time. It's neat if you get a Mori/Suisei who can actually write their own music, but it's far from necessary, and the quote-unquote competition is making no attempt to do everything in-house.
Mikkorone just peaked again.I reckon it's more JPs tuning in because honestly, I'm pretty filtered as an EOP without a translator in chat for these portions.Today is also Monday in Japan and I don't think it's a holiday, so that could explain the lower CCV regardless of cull.
POLL ON MIKORONE
miko poll now
oh, poll in mikorone stream
>>15749182And Kiara's pandering to Korean is working extremelly well for her so far, she will have to see if they stick with her, but it looks pretty good
>1min>21kSUSSAAAAAAAAAAANNNN
ohnononononono
1 minute, 22k poll/25k ccv
>>15749195i kind of remember in the early 2021 before reflect, there were a bunch of music producers begging to write a track for gurathey have access to good jp producers too. what they don't have is a competent music director. anything a-chan touches is idolshit music. the frog... he had some good ideas but ultimately it was wataru sena that made the good stuff for AZKi.
>>15749360Holy shit
2 minutes, 100% engagement
>2min>100%+ participationAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>15749372Well, 35p will be on the case now, lol
2 minutes, passed ccv... fuck you youtube
>100% in 2mins
>>15749372>>15749409
YOUTUBE GUARANTEES OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT INTERACTION IN 2 MINUTESISN'T THAT GREAT?JOIN OUR PLATFORM NOW
Take the screenshots, anon. Not just the poll.
Welp...
>months of schizos coming up with insane explanations like EOPs leaving likes/votes and immediately leaving>Finally everyone believes in the pollsI knew I wasn't crazy
POLL
>>15749470>>15749431>>15749409>>15749372Nice site susan
pretty good viewer engagement, guys
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>30k 5min in>ccv has moved 100 since it opened
>>15749372>>15749409>>15749431>>15749470I'm watching right now and I'm not even voting because I only realized there is a poll because I'm using Mongolian horse riding simulation forum....
EXACTLY 30kyou can't be shitting me right now
these absurd vote number reminds me of those rigged African warlord's version of democracy
>>15748803Even if cover and anycolor were to combine their resources, the sheer wealth disparity would still be like a ant trying to fight a tank. The "fight" would probably end with both companies ending up bankrupted.
>>15749526One is 6 hours longer, not a great comparison.I'm sure there's another 11 hour stream out there with 30-40k CCV to use a benchmark.
>>15749360Well, I doubt they're going to stick with her for long, at best she will keep two or three new gachis
There's no fucking way that 35p and Koronesuki will let this slide, right? Surely they raise a stink
30k before the poll ended
also I didn't vote on it cause im not logged in.
>25k watching>30k pollSmall tech company, please understand.
>>15749544Watching too but I’m not logged into my account so not voting
>>15749597so this has been a 100k+ stream all along?
>>15749594tough luck getting anything done bro, unless everyone flies to san bruno and start assemnbling in front of youtube hq with torches and pitchforks nothing's going to get done
If Holo could get whitelisted, would EN get their 2020's CCV?
>>15749557Cover and Anycolor are tiny compared to Youtube on a global scale but they make up a significant portion of Youtube Japans views and revenue by now. When you get as big as Youtube it becomes important to focus on individual markets and they won't want to lose such big players in the Japanese market.
>>15749635more like a 35-40k
So we're agreed that CCV is a completely worthless metric now, right? May as well post tyea leaf readings.
>>15749654That's 90% poll participation which is still way too high. 50% is somewhat reasonable but still very high, so around 60k is the bare minimum
>>15749644it's not the holos. viewers are the ones that got flagged because they act like bots. youtube will never reverse those flags because it will fuck with their anti-botting/spam.
>>15749591Her gook fandom isn't even a new thing, it's been there for months
>>15749360I don't follow EN much, do Kronii and Ina capitalize from this?I only heard Baelz doing good with them, other than Kiara here.
i cant wait for the VOD views of this MiKorone stream to show up
>>15749644At the end of the day, all the money hololive makes is inconsequential for Youtube. They won't care if they leave just like how Twitch didn't care that Ludwig left
>>15749647> they won't want to lose such big players in the Japanese market.Pfhahaha. Anon go to the live section of youtube. Tell me: can you find these big Japanese market streamers displayed there, despite their site dominance?>b-but I'm not japanese so they won't show upSo why do you get spics?
>>15749696im giving benefit of doubt on holo fanbase being really active and not attaching it to twitch standards
Did you vote in the Mikorone poll, anon?http://poal.me/rjctb5
>>15749696Try 120% poll participation within 5 minutes
>>15749676>now
>>15749732kronii and ina just gave them crumps here and there, bae on the other hand dedicated an entire stream trying to learn korean in which she was taking notes, this is why she currently has them by the balls and her SC gain shows that
>>15749647kek
Since when do JOPs enter the stream, vote on polls, leave a like, then close the stream? I thought only EOPs did that?
cam on irys... 3k....jesus christ the lack of streams in december fucking killed her, with new toys and other streams distracting her shaky fanbase while she had to recover. not to mention her really bad new song thats ESL nonsense. I think irys is now a flop and she can't recover, which is pretty sad since she has been on a good momentum during september to november
>>15749360What site is this?
>>15749799Gookmoot, I kneel
>>15749807Anon if you are going to doompost about irys, do it at least when she fails in a karaoke, since those are her strong point
>>15749807Anon did YOU take a december break or something?3k is upper mid tier now :*)
>>15749736There isn't a single spic on my youtube live feed. Lots of Korean shit, 2 view indies and of course Hololive and Niji but no spics. I'm isolated from that Youtube bubble, I've never clicked on a single spic video.
>>15749817It's just holo.poi, but most people never bother to scroll past the CCV graph
>>15749799>Hiroyuki has more pull that Hololive combinedI kneel
>>15749736Because most JOP streamers are still stuck on NND.Literally vtubing is what dominates jp streaming scene.
>>15749807You guys are going to need to adjust your expectations. 3k is an average number, 6-9k is good, anything over 10k is exceptional.
>>15749817Holopoi, the SC section got added recently
>>15749647I agree with you but at the same time a counterpoint, where would they go? Lets say YouTube tells them to go pound sand, and then they leave, and go where? Nico nico? that would literally kill them outside of japan, Dailymotion? That would kill them everywhere lol. Twitch? It would be the mother of all uphill battles and also be a serious blow to their income.
>>15749797Anon, we all know that's what JOPs do since forever. They're the most engaged, loyal and active participants of streams.
>>15749837Not for EN, no, if 3K is upper mid tier, than Sana is upper mid tier and Kiara is actually an high tier holo. But EN is way less affected by the 2021 cull
>>15749799>Junya's trash content at #1Oh god youtube deserves to rot in hell
>>15749860I can't believe we're back in 2019...
Very smart, YT, trending on randos so any possible tweet complaining gets drown
>>15749372>Nearly 100% engagement in a minuteAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!I feel hopeless. Make it go back to normal. I'm guessing with the hashtag being tweeted out nearly 300k times, the korone portion of the event already being near 2M views, and now this poll that the actual viewership has to be AT LEAST 60k, possibly more.
>>15749941it was bettee back then...
>>15749797They still don't put as much likes and VOD comments as much as EOPs, but live voting has been a thing since NND days
>>15749732Kronii get a fair amount of KR SC, but not to the point where it overtakes the dollars SC
>>15749418Fuck off youtube, leave it to me!!!
>>15745772top 10 Hololive fastest to 1m songs1) REFLECT (Gawr Gura) - 10 hours (29m)2) KING (Gura and Mori) - 11 hours (36m)3) UNISON (Houshou Marine) - 39 hours4) (New) Ochame Kinou EN ver (HoloEN) - 44 hours 5) Off With Their Heads (Mori Calliope) - 45 hours6) Roki (Mori Calliope) - 2 Days (0h 26m)7) God-ish (Laplus Darkness) (2d 7h 18m)8) Goodbye Sengen (Nakiri Ayame) - 2 Days (14h 51m)9) Kiseki Knot (4th Gen) - 2 Days (17h 0m)10) Myth or Treat (HoloMyth) (2d 20h 45m)-11) Can You Do the Hololive? (All members) - 3 Days
>>15749676Views and subs are still the main focus of youtube. Please understand.
>>15749941Kizuna needs to be relevant again for that to happen.
>>15749984Nijibros..
What if this is the masterplan of the bitter chinks to finally kill off Hololive for good?We've been blaming pajeets all this time when it's clearly the bugmen's fault. It's so obvious, their bots aren't caught by the new algorithm they deployed.
>FB about to pass YT in hours watched per year (pretty soon)>Susan decides to fuck up their streamers even morebut why?
>>15749941>The entire Vtubing industry is one big timeloop.Zamn
>>15749984Kizunabros...
Well animal crossing sucks as a stream game imo, but no way should Irys be doing worse on it than her Another Eden shill stream 2 weeks ago. (3.4k peak)https://vrabi.ml/video/vISRubUW7xY
>>15750263I thought Facebook was fucking dead what the fuck who still uses this shit besides pinoys?
>>15750166So do we have any kind 2 views who lurk here who would be willing to show their dashboard stats so we can see whether Youtube reports the real numbers to the channel owner?
>>15750263>Huge growth potential!!!>-29%, -5%, -13%what did they mean by that?
>>15749910>But EN is way less affected by the 2021 cullBut they were more affected by the 2020 one. The playing field is even, anon. Time to start accepting it wasn't cope all along, EN was competing and outdoing most of JP.
>>15750225Upping this group. the numbers are daily subs/followers
>>15750307you just woke up today and learnt of the cull?
>>15750346There you are.Cope, both got culled during the Dec 2020 change
>>15750340Read anon, read>Youtube is primed to trend upward with the addition of DrLupo and TimTheTatman streaming exclusively on the platform!I can fucking guarantee more people have heard of Gura, Miko, Korone than these literal who's, Ludwig and Valkyrae included.
>>15750326>75% of viewers come from watching mobile gamesYeah SEA and spics
>>15750340is only counting youtubegaming but not all the streams becasue is probbaly fucking impossible to see who is streaming outside youtubegaming.
>>15750326Don't they have like 2 billion active users daily?I know their monthly userbase is almost at 3 billion.
>>15750326You underestimate how many normie braindead flips there are, they would unironicaly watch a stream of paint drying if their favorite celebrity, e-celeb wannabe is the one streamingt.flip
>>15750263>Youtube Live Gaming is primed to trend upward with the additions of DrLupo and TimTheTatmanlmao
>>15750398I like beating a dead horse.
>>15750420>Cope, both got culled during the Dec 2020 changeTrue, EN just got culled way more.And both got culled 2021, JP got culled more. Bringing us to..an even playing field.
>>15750456dr lupo is LITERALLY A SUB10K streamertim actually holds 20k constantly.
>>15750326They still have 30 million daily users in the US. Don't underestimate the number of addicted normies.
>>15750456to the moooooooooon!
>>1575047337% to 26% is not "way more".Also the current cull is definitely culling more than 11%.
>>15750491Holos are unironically their biggest consistent game streamers but they're still kneecapping them lmao
>>15750544They seethe at cute anime girls.
>>15750525 (me)Fuck me -numbers % doesn't work that way but you get the point
>>15750525>n-no actually it's the JPs who got culled moreThe state of this thread lmao.
>>15750544Consider >>15750326 and realize Youtube wants the normie audience. Anime girls are normie poison, it's no wonder they're trying to sweep Hololive and Niji under the rug so they can get the normal twitch crowd as the face of their streaming platform
>>15750613EN 37% JP 26% that's not a terribly big difference, can't you read? New cull is definitely culling JP more though.
>>15750613The 2020 cull hurt Mori's numbers around 10%. The current one has JPs at a third of their actual audience. There's really no question this one has hit much harder unless you're just here to troll
>>15749830>>15749853That's actually not his channel but the clipper's chanel.
>>15750518>50k average per video>this guy is going to incline youtube gaming
>>15750683Gura was hit for half of her audience.
>>15750683>The 2020 cull hurt Mori's numbers around 10%>Mori's numbers went from 17k to 10kWhat?
>>15749799I wonder what Hololive and Nijisanji's numbers are
>>15750718Gura isn't synonymous with EN
>>15750681>>15750683You're all number newfags. We fucking saw in 2020 how Myth lost almost 50% of their audience over night ,the fact that you niggers till try to convince us otherwise when Susan pulled the same shit on JP in the exact same time period of 2020, providing a repeat of the same pattern, is insane. So let's get this straight: are you actually arguing right now that JPs are culled harder than ENs?
the spicschizo woke up, dont bother replying to him
>>15750802Both Gura and Ame lost a fuckton. Gura went from 45k to 25k, Ame went from 20k to 10k. They might not be all of Myth but you can see massive damage there, it wasn't anywhere similar to what most of JPs got.Ironically, it was Pekora who got culled to nigh Gura levels, since she was getting multiple 60k+ streams in that period then got cut to 30k.
>>15749584Pekor's jumpking seem good enough
>>15750825I think the 10% was referring to 2021, but they were too retarded to type correctly.
>>15750825It was 36% and JP was culled by 27%. In reality the best explanation is that they both got culled the same amount but the extra drop in EN was because they were reclining while JP managed to offset the cull by inclining. Regardless of whether you accept that or not the gap was only 11% while the drop in JP numbers at the moment is looking like it's almost 70% from their 2021 levels.
This MiKorone stream is weird. The viewership has been frozen at 25k for like an hour, not going up or down. Really strange.
>>15750890Regardless of whether you accept it or not, it was half. Overnight. I watched it happen.And the current drop in JP is explained by them reclining :*)
>>15750868Peko wasn't even hit as hard as gura se went from 46k to 35k, mori went from 17k to 10k, Ina went from 20k to 12k, and kiara went from 13k to 9k
>>15750917Nothing strange about that, JP viewers are extremely loyal so no one is leaving the stream or joining since they were all there from the start.
>>15750917Everything changed after pakor..
>>15750917youtube limiter in action again
Stop instantly outing yourself as the schizo by typing 50%. Can you not understand numbers that aren't rounded or something
>>15750326You massively underestimate us flips and our SEA and spic brothers. There's a reason spic twitch streamers are right below xqc in terms of views
>>15750937>Regardless of whether you accept it or not, it was halfWe have the actual numbers, so unless you show that HoloEN as a group was culled by 50% in total then you're simply remembering wrong. Feel free to show your working though. 36% is the actual overall drop in EN until you can prove otherwise.
>>15750986but that's the easiest way to identify him
>>15750943This, by comparison no JPs were hit even remotely as hard, EN was fucking butchered
>>15750890Not to start a shitflinging fest but were adblocker users counted pre cull? That might explain why EN got hit harder since it is statistically verifiable that the west are more likely to use adblock
>Spic schizo got home after Mom took him to churchDid you have a good time spicschizo?
Did a few tests, so watch dex views are counted as long as your account wasn't flagged, or not logging in. Also how long it takes to update the ccv is extremely inconsistent, sometime it's nearly a minute, sometime only a few seconds.
>>15751016Gura, Mori and Ame all got hit by 50%. Ina and Kiara didn't, skewering the stats badly. Is it better for you if I say Gura,Mori and Ame(who were the number powerhouses to begin for EN)?
Holos and Nijis>produce original music and cover songs>extreme variety in content, there is something for everybody >enough people to stream 24/7 guaranteeing people in the platform at all times>In house collaborations and big collaborative tournaments>participant fan culture to create content outside the streams like incredible amounts of art>huge incentives to pay for content via memberships and superchat (literally the top of the world at that metric)>extreme reach on different cultures and languages with fan translated content for almost any language (English, Spanish, Korean, Chinese, Russian, German, etc)>frequent, controlled and reinvigorating events to re-incentivize fans to watch them again after a burnour or simply to give back to the viewer like costumes, 3D and even concertsSusan handpicked youtubers>Warzone, CoD and Valorant streamers>biggest streams are collaborations with people from the competitor platform, twitch>vomiting react content>extremely limited personalities that cap their ability to produce original content I literally fail to see anything that holos/nijis do and that those niggers could do better
>>15749619Anon, click that Sparks of Joy video. IRyS needs you.
>>15751038Actually even then no, you have some outliers like shion miko and ayame who were 22k+ that became 14k~ or Mio used to have 12k but then suddenly became a 5k streamer, but still om average, the ENs were hit more
>>15750890>he thinks a double digit percentile differential isn't huge when talking about numbers in the tens of thousands>>15751073Yes, anon. That's when people started checking to see what was going on and YouTube eventually gave us the canned response about behavior and adblock usage.
>>15750616Anon have you been living under a rock or what? anime has been constantly going mainstream to the normie audience since SAO. Just look how many normies like shounens like Jojo, MHA, One Piece and Attack on Titan.
>>15751128Show the numbers and the math please. Gura going from 46k to 26k is not 50% to start with and I think the rest of your claims are even worse bullshit.
>>15751181he already watched it, otherwise it would appear as [New]
>>1575112846k to 26k and 17k to 10k is not 50% no matter how you cut it. Learn numbers
>>15751183Inconsistent drops means JP wasn't hit at all, some of them just reclined because they're not as entertaining.
>>15751200>Attack on Titan
>>15751278
>>15751181I listen to it regularly, actually. I think the way it sounds. When you fully watch a video, the red bar resets each statistical day and YouTube will recommend it again because it thinks you might listen to it again.I listen to the YT music version too.
>>15751309
>>15751268Same logic can be applied to EN, infamously Ame who was burning out at the time. Ame could be an outlier that may have declined during the change, and while assuming that the rest didn't it's still inconsistent
>>15750118Did Suisei's Phony really take longer than 3 days to hit a million? I though that shot up quick.
>>15751247>46k to 26k is not 50% The absolute state of the numbers thread.
>>15751178Both are worthless when one reggaeton music video can get more views and generate more ad money that everyone combined
>>15751345Cope, all of EN dropped while not all of JP did, that's proof enough
>>15751371>He thinks 26k is half of 46kWhat the fuck. Is Mexican education actually this bad?
>>15751392*than
>>15751371>piensa que 26K es la mitad de 46KPENDEJO
Okay, I'll accept that EN seemed to have been hit harder due to them reclining if you guys accept that the same thing happening to JP right now means they're also reclining.
>>15751488PENDEJX*/ftfy
>>15751506You know Gura hates spics right
>>1575141226/46 x 100 = 56% It's more than 50%
>>15751531Implying I'm a spic when I'm a SEAnigger.
>>15751347I just copied this from the archive, I didn't double check it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8EIYLRf_yUAccording to this it "only" got 1.6 million views in 10 days so I'm inclined to believe the list
>>15751531Are you sure she hates spics and isn't just a containtment breaker?
>>15751531Gura loves Ame
>>15751412>Before we get started in the fraction to percentage conversion, let's go over some very quick fraction basics. Remember that a numerator is the number above the fraction line, and the denominator is the number below the fraction line. We'll use this later in the tutorial.>When we are using percentages, what we are really saying is that the percentage is a fraction of 100. "Percent" means per hundred, and so 50% is the same as saying 50/100 or 5/10 in fraction form.>So, since our denominator in 26/46 is 46, we could adjust the fraction to make the denominator 100. To do that, we divide 100 by the denominator:100 ÷ 46 = 2.1739130434783>Once we have that, we can multiple both the numerator and denominator by this multiple:26 x 2.173913043478346 x 2.1739130434783 = 56.521739130435100>Now we can see that our fraction is 56.521739130435/100, which means that 26/46 as a percentage is 56.5217%.
>>15751401>not all of JP didOnly Mel inclined you retard and it was skewed by the streams she did. We went through this like 4 threads ago
>>15751412It's...more. Are you fucking retarded?
>>15751540>/#/ can't into numbersAnon that means that she was left with more than half>>15751531Isn't one of the arguments why EN got culled more is because they were just reclining? Why is it suddenly not applicable when the JPs get culled more
The absolute state of this thread, all you fags needed to do was not giving the spicschizo attention
oh no no no
>numbers thread can't fucking number
>>15751178they pay those handpicked tens of millions of dollars, whoever's idea that was needs to see a return or they wont get that bonus to buy their ticket to space
>>15751506The truth is it seems to be even now. I don't get why /jp/ is seething since even with these equalized numbers, Myth (let alone Council) don't exactly dominate. They're just no low mid tier any more, which was always bullshit if you looked at VODs and subs.
>>15751665?? didnt bae had a 4k-5k stream there
>>15751642It is more! That means that the drop can't have been 50% because a drop of 50% means the cull cut the original number by half, you absolute fucking braindead slob. What are you even doing here if you need to copy and paste percentages from a fucking elementary school website
/#/ quick! solve this one!1 + 1 = ???
How to save IRyS? Sana beat her today
>>1575181211
>>15751794Animal Crossing sucks as a stream game now.Numbers for it for JPs are low now too.Funny cuz Irys is playing MK rn which would usually be at least 4k.
>>15751665This guy isn't even fucking streaming.WHYI said WHYAre Nijiniggers like this?
>>15751812Accounting for youtube CCV error, 5Accoding to Youtube, 0
>>15751540>>15751593>>15751642>Spicschizo samefagged 3 times and made the same embarassing mistakeOof. Not only is he a 3rd worlder he's 15 years old and doesn't know how to do basic math
>>15751818Dead.Project Hope officially Project Hopeless.
>>15751635>and it was skewed by the streams she didThis. How can you judge how much they drop if you don't know the content they put out? What if pekora was peak during Dec because she stacks buff streams and declines in Jan because of more debuff stuff?
>>15751804Cope, your brain is just reclining and you can't understand basic math. This explains the disparity
>>15751665hey anon, you forgot to scroll above the 18th place and removed the numbers, don't worry though, gotchu
>>15751863this is the next part of the plan, turning project hope into project despair
>>15751804Glad you conceded Gura and the rest of EN were cut by more than half of their viewers overnight.
>>15751902The Sana line just won't slip bros..
>>15751839its the thumbnail, didnt even know that shes playing MK till you mentioned it.
>>15751812good morning Sir, YT numbers hexpert hereusing our newest Artifical Inteligence the result is 7you can corroborate here, there's a small error margin but it's due to the fluctuations in the traffic
>>15751818Vsinger that doesn't sing and releases new music every three months wasn't such a good idea was it? Oh and obviously Vsinger not having 3D performances was the icing on the cake.
>>15751828>>15751843wrong answers>>15751853>>15751987based pajeets
>>15751870>judgeTo be fair Mel's was very easy to judge due to the severe lack of streams in general>15751925I feel bad for you spics, your education system seems worse than those of SEAniggers
>>15751902jesas asa mio at 4k
>>15752070Back to the primordial miso soup..
>>15751870>EN put out the same content>consistently cut by half thanks to Susan>JP put out buff/debuff content>some go up and some go down depending on content, no cull involvedSimple math even a baby could understand
>>15752070it gets worse anon>Ayame couldn't break past 9k>Suisei couldn't even get 7kboth on Mario Kart
NUMBERS!!!! LEARN THEM!!!!!
>>15752008>wrong answers>implying we're not bots and thus correctngmi Premium-chama
But why vtubers tho??? Other livestreams that i usually watched got the same ccv.
>>15752161Not so funny when it happens to JP now is it?
sugoi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqfLDCqVoxo
>>15752161Suisei did get past 7k, but she eventually slipped to under 6k(!) as the stream went on. She had twice as many likes as CCV for most of the stream as well. Actually, speaking of which>Mori 5.7k CCV>13k likesmmk
>>15751812window
>>15752202Someone already gave some explanation, probably has to do with how bot-like many vtuber fans are.
Anyone who replies to the spicschizo should just hang themselves when he can't even do basic numbers "even a baby could understand".
>>15752202show it until now i think that EN are just starting to get hit after new year for some reason.havent seen ludgwig or tinman stream in some days yet so need them to compback to see how they manage.
>>15752202vtubers made youtube hired streamers look bad
What is the generally accepted percentage of participation for membership polls? I'm thinking of going with a 50% assumption so I can compare with twitch subs. If this is accurate that would make Gura in the top 20 streamers for subs/memberships and the top 5 when compared with purely paid subs
>>15752202Are vtuber fan bots loving? Is this related to china coco attack? Harassment in vtubing is big. Dislike gone now this.
>>15752304I think 50% is a tad high honestly considering YT hates notifying membershit
>https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/pekoraI don't see where Pekora's numbers cut in half, most of her streams in January were Yakuza0 compared to the peak moona minecraft collab during December
>>15752329Chink bot attack finally managed to destroy holo, but it wasn't how they thought it would be
>>15752232>IRyS 2.3k CCV (peaked at 2.7k-something)>6.9k LikeIt has been a loooong time (if ever) since I last saw one of her stream with more Like than CCV outside of SC-reading sectionFunny, though, that Vox and Mysta seems to be much less affected compared to other Niji or Holo even though their viewers are mainly Japanese. I wonder what's the logic behind these drops - if it's about Japanese, Mysta should've been hit hard.
>>15752368>January>He doesn't even know when the cull happenedLol
probably another evidence of susan's CCV fuckery. it shows 15 viewers, but at the participants list it's already more 15 names there, and you can still scroll further. i manually counted and i see around 40 names, so yeah almost 2/3 of Non's viewers are culled.
>>15749799>17位 4億2834万回 P丸様。
>>15752481all bots according to susan
>>15752481This one's actually the easiest proof anon. Screenshot all of them and keep it.
>>15752404Even with bots argument it doesn't make any sense. Like this>>15752481 for example, you can't say all vtubers on youtube used bots.
Would be great if someone could come up with a convenient way to test if you're being flagged as a bot or not. Could rile up way more people if they found out ytb thinks they're bot ,rather than showing low numbers.
>>15752211kek korean legend likes vtubers
>>15751531This is why AmeSame was doomed from the beginning.
>>15752533been kneeling to pmaru since 2017
>>15752638Right now the only test you can do is to go on a 2 view without adblock and check if you're being counted
I really hope the theory about ytb flagging vtuber viewers as bots isn't true. Imagine having an 11 year old, active account used for emails, gplay etc but still gets flagged as a bot
Which major chuuba is the most likely to answer if asked directly about the cull?
>>15752426Very suspicious.I just went through all of IRyS' streams and today is the lowest peak CCV she has EVER had. The only streams that even come close to being that low are a Hide and Shriek collab with Anya during JP prime time and her membership opening stream.In fact, those three streams, along with the Another Eden shill stream she did, are the only instances of her ever getting lower than 4k.
>>15752786Kiara.
>>15752786kson
>>15752786easily chiara
Some other stats from there.Fastest growing new channel of the year:>19位 41.6万人 Koyori ch. 博衣こより – holoX –
>>15752438So can you point out where Pekora numbers got cut? Doesn't she still get the usual 30-40k stream? Maybe she just reclined after all lol
>>15752786Kiara brought it up yesterday if you consider her a major chuuba. Otherwise, probably those number-conscious ones (i.e Pekora)
>Sora 30s before stream start : 1.3k in wait room>Sora stream started : 567 ccv Man fuck this shit
>>15751761It's just one seething JP wannabe.They can't accept their own arguments now that it's being thrown back at the JP chuubas.
>>15752765I get counted as a bot and I'm even membered to someone>>15746774(Me)
whats vshojo numbers today?
>>15752845>Kiara>if you consider her a major chuubaAre you serious? What else would she be? Holy shit, lol.
>>15752864Sora spoke up during the Holocaust and when HoloX subs were getting culled, maybe she'll pipe up for this?
>>15752786Chiken.
>>157513473 days 5 hours 29 minutes
Most watched clipping channel.>1位 5億5110万回 ひろゆきの部屋【ひろゆき, hiroyuki】切り抜き>2位 4億7162万回 加藤純一切り抜き集 (Jun)>3位 3億0835万回 ひろゆきのマインド【#ひろゆき #hiroyuki】《切り抜き》>4位 2億5532万回 ひろぬき【ひろゆき切り抜き集】 (hiroyuki)>5位 1億9341万回 ひろゆき思考 【切り抜き】 (hiroyuki)>6位 1億7955万回 ひろゆけ【ひろゆき切り抜き】 (hiroyuki)>7位 1億1212万回 ひろゆき氏の切り抜き (hiroyuki)>9位 8648万回 SHAKA切り抜き集>11位 7374万回 ひろゆきの小話【切り抜き】 (hiroyuki)>14位 6524万回 ひろゆきパンチライン【切り抜き】 (hiroyuki)>17位 5260万回 前向きひろゆき【切り抜き】 (hiroyuki)>19位 5068万回 ひろゆき先生【ひろゆき, hiroyuki】切り抜き>20位 5067万回 にじさんじ公式切り抜きチャンネル【NIJISANJI Official Best Moments】
>>15752765Check it yourself, my 10 years old account that I use for membership was flagged. I went through at least 10 different 1views and not a single of them counted me as a viewers.
>>15752786https://streamable.com/vbqeng
>>15752845>Kiara brought it up yesterday if you consider her a major chuubaAnon? She's one of the biggest chuubas
>>15752765I'm membered to some chuubas but tested and confirmed I was a bot all along
>>15752948To be fair, this was like 4 or 5 months ago.
>>15752797So many chuubas are having their lowest peak CCV streams in forever, or in the case of IRyS, ever this week. Its fucking bullshit.
>>15752928>hiroyukithey're fucking clipping hiroshimoot?
>>15752881>>15752953I DO consider her (or, for that matter, most of Holo JP + EN) a major chuuba. Just put that line there just in case since there are people who put her on mid tier-ish when it comes to CCV among Holos. It boils down to people's definition of "major chuuba" and I wasn't interested in talking / arguing about that here
>>15751924Ngl if Junko became a VTuber, I would pour all my $30,000 monthly salary on her.
>MikKorone 26k viewersThere’s no way, right? There HAVE to be at least like 80k
https://panora.tokyo/archives/40684
>>15753186>still giving a shit about ccv in 2022
>>15753186they had a poll earlier with >100% participation in like one minute, sooo
>>15753218Wait I thought Youtube and Cover were barring them from having a poll?
>>15752879Pretty good actually. Vei got 16-18K, Mel got 4-4.5K and Mousey has 12-14K.
>>15753186- It has almost 150k tweets and trended as high as #3 worldwide.- The previous segement (Korone stream) is already at 2M views- There was a poll with greater than 100% participation in under 2 minutesYeah, the actual number should be much much higher.
>>15752885didn't the sub-culling stopped once Sora pointed that out?
>>15753380>tweetsSpeaking of tweets the biggest example is probably this one. This many people tweeted about Sana once she caught her Shiny so I suspect her viewership was well above 100k.
>>15753202I'm fucking shocked they had Mori/Red as a nominee. Were there any other non-JP chuubas nominated? Grats to Suisei/Ghost. Great song.
>>15753526lolI think that might be the kpop Sana
>>15753526You do know that there is more popular "Sana" right?
>>15753526That's Twice's Sana.
>>15753526
>>15753552>>15753581>>15753594>Literal whoOkay
>>15752835Assuming you're just not the retarded chumbud being dumb again, her Minecraft used to be 50k-60k in November.
>>15753639nice bait
>Of the latest 5 Holo streams that went live, only one got past/is going to get past 3k
>>15752202Becuse apparently, according to pajeets at YT hq, we are all bots anon..
>>15753764When I got excited for the cyberpunk future, this is not what I meant.
Akirose just started. 503 likes 195 watching.
Aki number should be interesting.
Fuck, towa 3D won't get 40k isn't it?!
Aki...
Since there seems to be a fair amount of anon testing this alreadyhttp://poal.me/4byl1tAre you a bot
>>15753822I would consider it a big success at this point if it hits 30k, that's where we're currently at.
>>1575382240k is a mythical number reserved for company wide annual events now
Random question that came to me, in this new cull era, how much would have coco's graduation gotten?
>>15752885>>15753484Maybe daisenpai should point this out too and YT will probably kneel
>>15753822She will be lucky to hit 30k.
Aki...my Aki
>>15753202The top 10 nominated corporate vtuber songs.How relevant is this award anyway?
>>15753894JESAS
>>157538941 step away from being relegated to 2view...
>>15753822I hope she get more than Kanata and Watame
>>15753908>sub 1k wait roomthis is it chief, the lowest number we have seen from a holo since the cull
>>15753526Well done anon, now that's good bait.
>>15753904By being vtubers only it's automatically not very relevant.
>>15753927>more than KanataYeah I doubt that
>>15753894holy shit, 2view era approaching at lightning speed. I seriously wonder what the next few years are going to be like if nothing is done.
>>15753908This is Rosemi territory...
>>15753908When was the last time Aki dipped below 1k?
Anon said ccv doent matter much but fuck! Looking at these number as a streamer is very very demoralizing
>>15753678So she reclines back to her usual 30-40k 2020 September numbers?
Hello /#/, have we calmed down yet? I am looking forward to some actual civilized discussions of number
>>15753904They're calling themselves the VGrammy so not relevant at all.
>>15753908if you look at chat participants list, it's almost at 70 uniques
>>15753983Sure, the same way Gura reclined after her debut buff wore off.
>>15753894AAAAAA I MUST SAVEEEEE!!!!
[Urgent Recruitment] How do we save Aki?
>>15753977yesterday/todaybut this thing seems like will be stuck at 500
>>15753927>>15753947Maybe less of her viewers have been flagged as bots because she hasn't streamed since the 26th?
>>15753904would put 3:12 higher but otherwise correct
>>15754037>2nd wave of /r/eddit saviourfagging for Akithis time for sure
>>15754009Will Aki be the first to get more unique chatters than CCV?
>>15754037Penis
>>15754044We don't even know if being flagged is permanent or temporary
Aki likes going up faster than her ccv lol
>>15754089doubt it but at least 50%. it's at 102 unique right now.
Aki's CCV cull rate seems to be at least 3x...
>>15754078and talking about leddit, has anyone posted the Mikkorone poll? Nene's was posted and had like 5k updoots when someone shared it here
>>15753982It has to be. I posted above that today was IRyS' lowest viewed stream ever if you go by CCV, but we know that is bullshit.IRyS did seem pretty low energy today though.
>>15754061It's not ordered by votes so no way to tell how high 3:12 placed. Ghost took the crown.
>>15754014Yeah, right? I mean how can Gura btfo Peco with her VOD views with half of the CCV right?
>>15753894
>>15754158well, I would be pretty fucking sad too, this is probably her lowest number ever
>>15754131The chat participants list doesn't add people until they make a post. I am watching, but haven't posted, so my name isn't on the participant list.
>>15754236just scrolled through everything, today stream is her lowest CCV stream, ever
>>15754231By having a large number of her fans being VOD watchers who don't/can't catch her live.
>>15754148Is is because she has a lot of overseas viewers watching her?
https://twitter.com/holo_analyticsV/status/1477911404128894976?s=20
Is it just me or is Council/IRyS getting smacked by the cull way harder than Myth? Or were Myth just inclining so the cull isn't as apparent? The likes vs CCV is still ridiculously lopsided for Myth but their CCV doesn't seem to have taken too crazy of a hit overall.
If youtube is paranoid about bot they should just add captcha, I'd rather solve captcha every stream than this bullshit.
>>15754291Lol what it only needs 1 hour after youtube has done processing the views after that it's just extra views, I think you forgot the best example of this was the Minecraft fes
>>15754295Very likely so. So far, it has been keeping pace based on ccv/like ratio.
>>15754343BecauseMythWasAlreadyCulledHardHow many times must we go through the obvious?
>Mori turned off SC in the middle of an SC floodfucking bitch, think about the numbers
>>15754236Yeah, the other ones that are super low are that one which was a collab with Anya during JP primetime so the low number is understandable. The other one was her membership opening which is also understandable because you would only go to that stream if you were interested in her membership.Today's stream, the two I mentioned above, and her Another Eden shill stream are the only streams she has ever done that fell below 4k. All the other ones, aside from today, had good reasons to be that low. This was a regular gaming stream during her normal timeslot. The number tonight is bullshit.
>>157540613:12 is not a Suisei song
>>15754380Idk i always go to member opening and sc opening streams and i never member or sc EN. I just like to see the flood
>>15754326Another 1M views VOD in the bag for the shark. What's next? First minecraft collab with Moona or her new year celebration?
>>15754343>>15754367IRyS is getting the EN/JP double-whammy.>Japanese in Japan>English target demo>culled from adblock users>culled from JOP>culled from EOP
>>15754475Well yeah, I doubt everybody in that stream signed up for membership but you get the point. Its not a stream that has a ton of casual appeal.
>>15754375Oh, how much is she earning in her stream right now?
Holobros????Is this it? Have we truly reclined???Is Ironmouse and VShojo the faces of EN now??VSHOJO, I KNEEL....
>>15754361>BTFO>summer fes VODs>when it wasn't even all that far apartOh, you're the chumbud with an axe to grind after all.
>>15754517Fan Labi Fandom Exclusive Digital Community, I nkeel...
>>15754494Yeah, I look at them as a buffed sc reading stream
>>15754517>Gura still in the popular pages list after more than a year.How does she do it?
>>15754475IRyS' membership opening was a guerilla stream on pretty short notice if I remember correctly.
>all star cast collab on debidebi channel including Toya>13k waiting roomFlatlined and finished at 17k.
>>15754519Yeah, Pecker with longer stream time and higher CCV doesn't matter here, right?
>>15754367NTA, but it's not "obvious" if you think about it logically. Those culls aren't targeted any channel specifically. It's unlikely that Youtube just flagged Myth with their previous cull(s) and left IRyS / Council alone after their debuts. No, logically speaking, IRyS and Council were under effect of that cull, too. Whatever new cull(s) is, I doubt there was some YT pajeet sat in his office thinking that "Oh, these Myth girls were hit hard last time, I'm going to code the new rules so that it won't affect them and only affect these new Hololive members".If there is any discrepancy between channels that were hit by these new unknown rules, it should come from viewers behaviors / demographics only. So it's fair to wonder why IRyS + Council were hit harder than Myth - is there such a big difference in their viewers behaviors? Or has Myth been inclining so much that while they were hit equally, Myth's incline dampened the effect?
Come next January we'll see a double digit holo stream from an Anya or one of the homos.
>>15754625Probably less viewer churn combined with a lesser cull compared to Gura, but you've painted a narrative in your head already so you might as well put out your essay now instead of wasting time trying to bait.
>>15754643It doesn't make any sense to talk about specific channels getting culled either since now we know it's actual accounts getting flagged and not contributing to the viewcount. It's the viewer accounts, not the creator channel that is culled. So nothing actually happened to Myths channels, only to a portion of their viewers. The question is why so many vtuber watching accounts are getting flagged as bots.
>Nijisanji daily thing with Toya and Lize>flatline around 14k>fails to beat 17kLowest CCV so far of the series. Again, the episode with Toya and Lize is the lowest attended
>>15754643>aren't targeting*ESL moment, I need to sleep
>https://holo.poi.cat/stream/d-Iy2E0vzEw7:01 19672 / 23596 584k in 2 days>https://holo.poi.cat/stream/ZZZy1NmXKo07:14 25320 / 33404 506k in a month+
>>15754779I assume holo got affected earlier since their fanbase is more active, hence more accounts getting flagged. But gradually it's gonna affect niji as well, no one gonna be safe from this.
>>15753822She'll be lucky to hit 15-20K rumao
>>15754779All the eps this time around are lower than the last batch.None of the eps in the summer batch fell below 20k, but there's 4 eps already this batch that didn't get there.
>>15753871100-200K that's my bet
>>15754779For reference, here is the other episode with the same cast. It’s pretty much the same chart, except you double every number
>>15754743I guess that's fair. I've been thinking of these culls as new sets of rules applied to every account instead (i.e: if you watch multiple tabs, only the latest tab counts, you need to watch a stream for x seconds before you are counted as a view, etc.). I didn't consider the possibility that they might have flagged viewers' accounts and just stopped counting those accounts as actual viewers permanently
Anons, isn't Towa getting a funnel from mikkorone 3d live or does it end earlier
>>15754887I do think the newest ep got culled, but comparing Fuwa and Elu as guests is like comparing Suisei and Aki as guests.
>>15754484this one came out of nowhere though, prank buff? zatsudan buff? idk. just look at these clueless anons lol >>6859061
>>15754779>>15754887>>15754824>>15754843Here, side by side to make it easier.
This is honestly way worse than I imagined, if the cull is on streamer side then Cover can try to work it out with youtube. But if it's on the user side then literally nothing can be done, ytb won't change their algorithm for some small companies.We're fucked forever.
>>15754887Anything Toya related could get above 25k before.Anyways, Gold would still be nijis with mahjong lottery.
>>15754983It's the source of the Lightning MCqueen animation audio.
>>15754987Culled by 50% therefore, all ccv for here on will be x2. Suisei getting sub 7k actually got 14k, and is line with her actual numbers.
>>15754743my hypothesis from two days agodec 2020 cull is right around the ID2 debutID2 had a huge bump from the EN viewers. i don't remember if there was a sub cull then too but the same mechanic (subscribing to new/empty channel) and other behaviour like watching relays might have tripped the algo.latest cull is after JP6 and the christmas relay. hence a larger share of this cull will be JP viewership. probably a large part of that viewership also watches nijis and smaller indies.
>>15754971I understand but the audience wouldn’t have vanished. Take the sister Marine thing hosted by Marine and Fubuki, it wouldn’t go from 34k to 17k in a week because the guest is Aki instead of Suisei
>>15754994Which is why Hololive and Nijisanji should move to Twitch. I'm sure they would happily accept the JP audience and those two companies could bargain to get more money instead of the 30 percent cut by youtube. Another plus is that their chuubas and livers can do proper react content, better chatting experience and more freedom than YT gives them atm.
>>15754799dreams of #1 watched dead
>>15754998Idk propably only hardcore fans would be interested in the lottery and those seem to be more likely to be culled
I'm genuinely invested in seeing Aki reach 1k today, I need it to happen.
>>15754361>>15754231Even if nobody watched the VOD afterwards, it only takes 30 seconds for a view to count. More people checked Gura's stream but didn't stick.
>>15755164Same, but that 1:4 ratio for ccv and likes looks fucking insane and makes me doubt it will happen
Hoping that big Vtubers will start calling out YouTube on this shit. I feel bad for all the streamers affected. Imagine seeing your live viewers suddenly halve in just a few days. Demoralizing
>>15755137>can do proper react contentYes they can. They would be sued (not copystriked, really sued in a court of law) before the end of the first month. Twitch streamers get a lot of leeway because they are seen as “independent streamers” even if they’re making millions of dollars out of it. Capcom didn’t strike Mio channel and threatened to sue Cover because they objected to streamers playing Capcom games on YouTube. There were thousands of others doing it. They did because a company was profiting from their property without as much as asking permission. Same scenario would happen with Cover and Anycolor on any platform they chosen.
>>15755137Can they upload songs on twitch tho?
>>15754722Gura got culled by Susan, killed her growth, and recline because of it. Pekora didn't get culled, she just recline back to her 2020 September numbers and now got culled and probably will recline because numbersagis leaving after seeing low numbers?
>>15755237I feel really bad for chuubas like Mel and Aki. Suddenly being dropped back into 3-digit-view territory after what seemed like a strong end to the year. Someone at Cover needs to be doing morale damage control big time
>>15755164wtf she's still sub 1k
>>15755259I mean nyanners and the rest of Vshojo run a relatively successful Youtube account while streaming on Twitch, chuubas could do the same.
>>15755106You are making a lot of mental leaps to try to assume this is a benign mistake caused by the audience themselves. There is a much more plausible explanation: YouTube changed something in their backend (on the 14th of December when they rolled out the changes that, among other things, did away with dislikes) and caused this.
>>15755259https://www.twitch.tv/videos/824387510
>>15755164Considering the cull rate for her audience AAAAAAALLLL MEEEE, she's ngmi.
>>15755175You could say the same for this >>15754799>Even if nobody watched the VOD afterwards, it only takes 30 seconds for a view to count. More people checked Pekora's DQ stream but didn't stick
I think Aki just lost 50 ccv
Is NijiEN being affected by the cull? I don’t think their numbers changed...
>>15755371You've already been humiliated enough when you revealed you don't know how percentages work. It's time to leave.
>>15754231>Suddenly PekoraSo we really can't discuss Gura without bringing up Pekora?
>>15755388they got all new tourists from sea. not the same bot audiance as nijijp
>>15755371Way less likely to happen when it's the same streamer with pretty much the same amount of sub.
>>15755336like i said two days ago. this is testable with id3 debut.
>>15754643Isn't it obvious? Council + IRyS were more heavily reliant on the box for their numbers compared to Myth who have more dedicated audiences. Dedicated viewers who don't blindly subscribe to every Holo channel and switch between Holo streams all day are less likely to be flagged for bot behavior. This is also why the lowest viewed JP holos are seemingly the hardest hit - just like Council, they were the most reliant on the box for their numbers as %.
>Aki has 3.4k likes>Hasn't broke past 900 viewersWhatever you say, Jewtube
>>15755498Judging by the 2020 and 2021 anti-spam culls, she might have 2100 ccv.
>>15755409So JP viewers are affected? Mysta said he had a large percentage of JP viewers though. It was over 50% I believe
>>15755523by the nijinoon numbers, he should see a 25% cull today
>>15755388Four people single POV collab on Petra’s channel, waiting room at 1,5k. Barely beat 2.5k.
>>15755523One theory is that fans who watch lots of streams get culled and new fans do not
>>15755575It's not watching lots of streams, but watching them in a way that YouTube considers "ILLEGAL".
>>15755575Guess I gotta make a new account to watch my oshi’s big events so I’ll get included in the view count...
>>15755616What would be illegal? Adblock? I thought japane viewers don’t really use them
>>15755616youtube heard >our ILLEGAL funnelling calls loud and clear. they've tuned the algo to flag those
>>15755317Yeah there's nothing that stops you from having both a successful YouTube and Twitch channel. They'd probably have to change up what they upload on YouTube a bit though.
instead of seething over CCV, when are you going to work on decide the new VOD metric
>>15755436>>15755402So basically it's things vs Japanese things? Got it.
>>15755665Stages of grief, anon. Most people are still either bargaining or depression.
>>15755665It's a lot harder to compare VOD Views properly and no anon is willing to spend their time figuring out a method to do so
>>15755644Basically... the hako-oshi pattern
>>15755665I mean the new metric should be pretty simple, average and median vod views within a 24 hour perioid and ending vid views for unarchived streams. The only problem is that we have no trackers for vod views
>>15755644>Switching between streams as events occur>ILLEGAL view funneling>Watching Almost only Hololive, and a wide arrangement of assorted holo chubbas (the BOX)This cull appears to be the ultimate box-breaking attempt, by flagging these 'suspicious accounts', it destroys the CCV even if the views, SCs, chat engagement, etc all stay, that little number that gets so much attention is completely unreliable for Hololive (and Nijisanji, to a lesser extent) now.
>>15755718Nijisanji seems to have less of a hako-oshi culture so most of them should be ok right?
Face it, we don't like numbers, we like the thrill of having a discount horse race with vtubers as the horses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPOExVGRN28&t=0s>Chloe's getting over it stream>sub-10k CCV peak, 1 hour stream, almost 200k views in less than 24 hrs DYRBI?Kanae had a 3:48:00 stream with a 10k peak/average and similar VOD counthttps://vrabi.ml/video/CoJ_1AbYsKI
>>15755791The biggest Niji's appear to have been dealt a pretty big blow, so not necessarily if this 'working theory' ends up being the real cause. Lize, Mito, Kanae, Toya, the main channel, are all going to suffer. Perhaps some of the smaller Nijis who basically are mostly self-contained MIGHT escape unscathed, but not very many keep track of them to as much of a level as the top.
>>15755791Depends on who among them have gachikoi and fans... essentially none of the boys are safe.
>>15755813Speak for yourself, this completely kills any ability to keep track of trends properly, as there's (again) numbers pre-change and numbers post-change, and they can't be compared 1:1 properly anymore. Well, SC and sub trends can still be tracked, but those are pretty much weekly/monthly affairs and very 'simple' to keep track of.
>>15755835Chihiro's Apex numbers have been consistently 3.5-5k for months, but it seems like she's getting close to what she normally gets?https://vrabi.ml/video/bg58BdKRv-Q>rest of her streams:https://vrabi.ml/channel/UCLO9QDxVL4bnvRRsz6K4bsQ
Is this Aki stream a new record for likes over peak? 3,7k likes and i think her peak was 760
>>15755895Aki has always had more likes than ccv by the tail of her streams even for ones without superchat reading sections. But yes... this is ridiculous.
CCV is fucked because they're implementing YT live redirect is my cope
This thread has become a place where anons moaning about how Susan massacred their oshi's numbers
>>15755835How would this affect big event streams like the mahjong lottery on Maimoto’s channel? It’s not the official channel so it might get less of a cull?
>>15755895
>>15755980I'll say wait and see. It'll be interesting to see how it does compared to last year as a test-case. The more evidence gathered, the better idea we have on how solid the 'account side flagging' is for being the primary cause for this recent batch of fuckery.
>>15755887apex autists are a different breed probably compared to the chuuba audience which are getting flagged
>>15755980We got over this already, it's not the channel, it's the viewers that were culled. Unironically, niji being a tourist central will save their numbers.
>>15755980Depends on who is his audience for the event. It could be business as usual CCV or a barbed wired, asphalt condom wearing horse dick anal violation no vaseline CCV.
If I were any of the girls I would block embed (like HoloX did) and see how that affects the live numbers
>>15755980Guess we'll find out tonight.I actually don't think he'll get culled tonight because most of the culling seems to be targeted at people who watch vtubers a lot.Many of the people tuning into Maimoto's draft stream tonight are not the ones who watch vtubers daily, they're the ones who tune in only when there's a niji event so their accounts are likely not flagged.
>>15754912Should funnel but that might actually hurt her numbers because the system will choke on all those viewers.
Not groundbreaking or anything, but another instance of undercounting on CCV vs. votes, this time for ID. She passed 525 votes at the 2 minute mark on the poll.
maybe... we are mindless chuuba watching bots all along...
>>15756073>>15756047Niji gold?
>>15755978Nah this became a place of victory for Vshojo as they've successfully mogged a NijiEN and soon all of HoloEN.
>>15756118Seeing as every big Holo stream in the past week has been fucked raw, while it's a coinflip for Niji streams, probably.But who the hell still cares about golds in the new cull meta?
Do we count Korone's stream as today's stream or yesterday? If we count it as yesterday than Niji will be able to easily passed 28k.
Self explanatory
>>15756164That Miko stream ends with a 3d live
>>15756164Yesterday, we count from the start of the stream.
please just move to twitchliterally everything will be better
>>15756164the one on Miko's channel will count for today's. it will keep climbing and it will end with a 3D show. I expect at like 40k for the 3D and it will funnel to Towa's 3D.
>>15747333I've kept this stream on a private window for the past 5 minutes (while alt tabbed to my main window) and it hasn't removed my view just yet.First tried this with ublock on, and it removed by view after 1 minute. My view was not counted even after I refreshed. Only after disabling ublock was I counted (even though I didn't get an ad when I refreshed).
>>15756215miko's stream can't even break 30k so 40k is a bit of a reach
Towa 3D/Pekora's Yubi Furu tourney have rather similar waiting room numbers even though Pekora's stream is an hour later. Pekora will get better numbers than Towa.
>>15755254Even cutting the react and freedom part, they could still get a better bargain from Twitch and they won't just get a message from a 5 dollar pajeet when experiencing a malfunction.
>>15755665I could if I had the time, but I'm at the last month of my last semester. Fuck this thesis.
>>15756305>(even though I didn't get an ad when I refreshed)I was under the impression that Ads don't trigger for all videos all the time on YouTube irrespective of video type/length. The ad service still registered you as having passed the block check.
>twitch beggars
>>15756451ok i will bitewhat's better on YouTube?which feature is better?what makes YouTube better?
>>15756451>he doesn't want the best for his oishi.
At this point, is YT gaming a failure overall?If YT scraps live streaming, this might spell trouble for vtubers, especially JP ones.
For HoloEN, moving to twitch would unironically work because their audiences aren't the type to SC and their audiences are mostly global. Twitch already cultivated a worldwide audience like EN, KR, JP, EU etc. Sure, SC readings wouldn't be a thing anymore but there's only 2 or 3 members in EN who are doing SC readings anyway. TTS would be the better thing.
>>15756554Revenue is better on YT.Despite all the related fuckery, if ad revenue is still being properly given to the chubbas, then CCV legit doesn't matter except as a matter of bandwagon effect. Memberships, SCs, permissions, a lot of things would need to get adjusted/renegotiated.
>>15754367As long as they keep denying that EN was hit harder.Either they accept that EN was hit harder with the first cull, or they accept that JP is reclining right now and it's making the drop from the rcent cull look worse.
>>15756395isn't the tournament multi-POV?I don't think it will get over Towa
>>15756627>Revenue is better on YT.that's just a made up liewhy do you think yt gaming is paying million for streamers to move to their platform for some months?so fucking delusional
Youtube should just separate their culling algorithm between vod views and live views. They can cull kpop bots while at the same time won't hurt the streamers.
>>15756653I’ll just assume by “they” you mean the voices in your head
>the whole reason there's a react meta is because top streamers who have a contract with Twitch also have to fill a couple hundred stream hours on their monthly quotaYeah, sure, getting inflated live view numbers might be nice but definitely not worth giving up an already comfy position in terms of income.
>>15756701Isn't that something that could be negotiated?Twitch vtubers probably do stream longer hours but it's probably not as outrageous as some of the top streamers.