/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>15688575
They're all the same. 2views who got rejected from both Holo and Niji.

Take the indie pill, anon.

>>15688575
If you want Mehnera watch Phase or Gen1 CL.
If you want GFE watch Kawaii or Gen2 CL.
If you want bootleg Hololive or knockoff NijiEN watch Tsunderia and Prism.

>>15688703
>be a 2view indie
>join company
>pull almost the exact same numbers you did as an indie

depends on what you want really. Prism has a lot of good singers like aoi, pina, shiki, nia, and yura if you're into that

Who did you watch in Niji/Holo? There is 50+ talents across those 5 companies and not everyone is going to be your type. This is pretty spot on >>15688758 except CL2 isn't GFE imho, at least not to the level of Kawaii girls.

I'm sure this will be a high quality thread that definitely won't be filled with Holofags and Nijifags competing to see who can be more ignorant of vtubing outside of their bubbles.

>>15688960
It was much less likely to happen before you made this bad post

I only pay any real attention to kawaii, but I'll try and spoonfeed you OP. As far a I know:

Prism is owned a nip who got rich off making a popular app and he decided he wanted his own hololive, and also their general hates him. I watch Yura from time to time.

Phase Connection is a western operation that for some reason also hired a bunch of nips, including a /here/tuber that can't keep herself in check. I don't watch anyone from there.

I don't know anything about cyberlive but I think Lumi is one of their girls and people cream themselves over her because she pays autistic strategy games?

Tsunderia is kinda fucked. Their biggest talent abandoned the company, and then rosemi ditched them for Nijien. I hear their chatmods are really overzealous these days too.

And Kawaii is also owned by a nip and is the home of your angel Nene, the finest source of GFEtubing in the west.

>>15689050
Very first post in the thread is pretty much exactly what was described

Cyberlive is the /here/ company
5 of their girls are /asp/ graduates

>What's the difference
Kinda hard to throw an umbrella over an entire company, you can't even do that with Hololive or Nijisanji without misrepresenting some members.

>>15688575
Phase is great for the unmedicated
Prism is for the hololive experience in a smaller community

>>15689080
>No mention of Isla
Fuck you.

>>15688960
Don't care, still watching Meruru.

>>15688575
Shee from Kawaii is cute.

>>15688575
Tsunderia: The unluckiest en vtuber startup in the world, first to the western vtuber scene, the company that Kana and Rosemi formerly belonged to, and the first major EN company to debut male chuubas.

Phase connect: The Pippa company, half their talents are JP while the other half are ENs. Mostly famous around here for having Pippa who's basically a walking drama bomb/containment breaker who is simultaneously the pillar that raised phase connect from obscurity and the albatross hanging around their neck preventing them from further growth

Prism project: The Luto-Shiki company. Really really wants to be Hololive, Run by some chinese billionaire who apparently only started the company so he can larp as an idol manager.

Cyberlive: Relatively new startup. Has Lumi, the patron vtuber of /svt/. recently debuted their second gen.

Project Kawaii: The company that Hana Flores formerly belonged to. Don't really know much about them to be honest.

>>15689651
>Luto

>>15688575
idk why but for some reason to me they just end up melding into one thing for me. They all interact with each other and show up in each other's streams like wvt chubbas. I mainly watch Kawaii and Cyberlive nowadays, since I like their Gen 2 lineup overall

>>15688575
Tsunderia is my favourite because it feels more like a close-knit group of indies who happen to have more of a budget than most rather than an actual company. Very loose on restrictions, very varied talents, very experimental, somehow extremely comfy and extremely chaotic at the same time.

>>15688575
Tsunderia is the hag EN corpo so if that's your thing there's Urara, Orla, and Amiya. Other than that >>15689940 hit the nail on the head.

>>15689940
I've watched the a bit of the sheep. I'd recommend her if anyone likes dumb girls.

>;Kawaii
Watch Nene, Lua, Neena, Shee
>Tsunderia
Watch Miori, Amiya
>Prism
Watch Nia, Rita, Yura,
>Cyberlive
Watch Lumi, Menace
>Phase
I think their only talent is Pippa

>>15690152
No bully

>>15690157
I won't have you shit talking Tenma, Uruka, or Lia. All three of them great. (Phase)

>>15688575
Phase connect has Uruka Fujikura. One of the most wholesome and cutest retard in the non-hololive dominated vtubing world. She is the hope. She is the light. She is the one who will carry Phaseconnect. She does not have human ears and her head is smooth.

Here is her playing the violin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUMOUaEg3k8

>>15688575
I heard tsunderia has some girls from texas so i'd watch them

>>15688575
They are either big company reject or a stepping stone for vtubers.
Shiki from prism is showing a lot of promises

>>15689264
Sell us on her then.

>>15688760
Yeah? Sounds like a really good deal considering the company will take over all the administration and shit, giving you a lot more time to either invest into the stream or to do whatever you want with.

>>15688575
>Kawaii
Lua and Nene
>Tsunderia
Yuuna, Meru, Miori, and Lisa
>CyberLive
Lumi, Menace
>Phase Connect
Uruka, Lia, Pippa

>>15688760
You really have no idea of the kind of numbers the majority of indies actually get

>>15690296
Tenma has a great annoyed office lady kinda vibe.

>>15689651
All that you need to know about Kawaii is that they are basically a Cabaret Club and filled to the brim with GFE chuubas, from there you just pick whoever is your preffered breed of GFE.

>>15690681
Yeah, I believe they have outright said that they won't interact with males for collaborations. So if that is something you're seeking then that company is a prime place to browse their chuubas.

>>15688575
hololive? nijisanji?

>>15688760
>pull almost the exact same numbers you did as an indie
This is false
Tenma before phase had 30 viewers and now she has around 150
Lumi before cyberlive had 10 viewers and now she has around 130

>>15690660
Tenma speaking English always remind me of my JOP teachers when they speak English. She's cute but every time I hear her talk with the accent I get scared she is going to assign me another 10 pages from the Genki workbook for homework.

>>15689651
It's honestly pretty amazing to see how bad Tsun's luck can be, they were basically the first EN startup and yet they are basically the smallest and less succesful in comparison to other, more recent startups like Kawaii and their talent's growth tends to stagnate pretty badly, some of their talents are freaking cursed (poor Purin...), their management is pretty much run and somewhat kept in one piece by one woman, two of their bigger and promising talents pumped and dumped them, their current more promising talent was very close to drastically reduce her activities for who knows how long due to her family and the list goes on.

>>15690681
Kawaii has the highest GFE ratio of all the EN agencies by far, but it's not all of them. Only slightly more than half really.

>>15689080
>and also their general hates him
Because he's an unironic NFTfaggot and payment processing takes so glacially long it legitimately interferes
Can def recommend Rita, Shiki and Luto.
>>15690157
>>15689195
>>15689080
>>15688575

Tenma & Uruka need to be mentioned. In fact they now have bigger >Numbers than Pippa and a fair amount of people new to vtubing or only very tangentially involved until recently. Uruka is incredibly cute and dorky and Tenma is the alcoholic lolibaba experience who manages to keep the keep her character up incredibly well. She also tends to play games that nobody else plays and games everyone wants to see every streamer play so it's a pretty nice balance.

Lia's kind of a more acerbic version of Elira. You watch her because her chat is fast but slow enough to give room to constant mutual heckling between streamer and chat that thus far has almost always maintained the balance incredibly well.
>Cyberlife
L*mi, Menace, Emma and Chapipi are all incredibly hi-spec in terms of streaming/singing/chat interactions/creative gimmicks.
Lum is the kind of girl you'd have encountered if you'd received classical training in a decent-sized city and stuck with it past your single digit years.
Yoki is the cutest thing you want to protect.

>Tsunderia
Never got much into them also dumb name.
>Kawaii
See above.

>>15691007
Tsunderia is basically hololive Alter, instead of having S rank luck that keeps them going forward despite being on the receiving end of major yabs that would've ended any similar company, they have E rank luck that keeps hamstringing them despite doing everything "right" from a vtubing company standpoint.

I don't know, I only watch Nene.

>>15691007
Tsunderia pissed off some pretty angry gods, aye. Pretty much everyone on the above list is passing them by and their new gen couldn't turn things around either.
>for how long due to family
Everyone and their mother knows that Miori's very blatantly planning on dropping out the moment she thinks she can contain the fallout.

>>15690681
Not for long I feel. Nene, Shee and Lua are the only ones that will stick to it for sure.

>>15688575
>Who do you recommend watching from them?
I haven't watched everyone from any of those companies, but:
>Kawaii
Nene is the obvious choice to look into. Her draw for me is her zatsudans and her generally chill demeanor. She's generally fun to be around with.
Shee is great if you are more focused on what video games a chuuba plays since she has many VODs now of games that you might be interested in.
Neena is a strayan with a foul mouth. Her current GTA V streams have been a riot.
>Tsunderia
Yuuna is a huge chatter box, so obviously if you want that interaction between chat and the streamer and very little dead air then she would be someone to check out.
Amiya seems to have taste in older games, which personally appeals to me a lot. She also likes to mess around with instruments and video game related digital art programs, I highly recommend her.
Meruru is my favorite, but she doesn't appeal to everyone. Most of her game streams are one offs so don't expect long series that go on for weeks or months and see the conclusion. She is a very sweet girl and incredibly cute.
Miori is the most popular YouTube one, you've probably been recommended her a bunch and she's great.
>Prism
Sara has a sexy design, and has that strayan assertiveness. Loves to chat, so if it's a game stream it could be 30~60 minutes before she gets to the game.
Shiki is a go getter, you'll probably see her the most in corpo collabs so you might see her through second hand means.
Non Anon does some streams that feel like a shitpost in stream form. Generally fairly mellow, so far doesn't seem to have the more hype energy others might have.
Sumi is super down low. She talks softly into the mic and does some chill streams. She isn't for everyone but worth mentioning if it's someone you vibe with.

>>15691187
Really? That's the only thing that made them standout from other EN agencies. They'll be getting rid of their biggest advantage.

>>15691329
Honestly though, IDK where the hell prism dug them out from but 3/4 of G4 are bangers.

>>15690157
>Nia
My man, I love this zoomie /here/ dork cat

Prism
https://youtu.be/Yi344hEGEHs

I only know Sumi from the time she was being shilled and her brown genmate. I should get around to watch her now that Niji's coomer mermaid has devolved into poopoo peepee Vshojo humour.

>>15688575
I can't shake the feeling that you're missing one EN chuba startup but I can't remember which one is it, I could be wrong tho

I follow Cyberlive for Yoki and Prism Project for Luto and Rita the others I don't really follow.

>>15691900
I think there is one more company with a small presence on twitch but im not sure either.

>>15691900
Mythic Live?

>>15691900
Amber Glow?

>>15688575
kawaiipro has blessed tittytenshi, and that's all you need to worry about.

>>15691900
There's loads of them but they're all pretty irrelevant. Like less relevant than tsunderia and they're already on the brink.

If you like singers
Cyberlive
>Lumi
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1250252115
>Chapipi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAWRpyD_T3U
>Inori
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkqm2xG014E
>Pandora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKf27qj_ZW4

Tsunderia
>Lisa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWuYdU509qQ
>Miori
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMFOUl_n-yQ

>>15691949
>>15691999
>>15692034
>>15692102
I think I was wrong, what happens is that Kawaii and Tsunderia are names easy to remember, I usually forget or confuse one of the other 3 names which always makes me think I'm missing one when thinking about small companies

>>15692129
adding prism to this
>Aoi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaSte8GLsK0
>Shiki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx2xS3SKAuk
>Nia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEJRyIASXQg
>Pina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HMtF-MW3bI
>Yura
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFs5cncfACY

or just watch snow halation to see if you like any of the voices
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O632JhrCwVg

>>15692442
I'm subbed to chuubas from 4 of the 5 in OP pic but it'd take me a few minutes to parse out which ones are in what company.

Oh yeah there's also MyHoloTV

>>15690366
Uruka is live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9_b66iyD8w

>>15688575
Tsunderia is a tranny company and garbage
Prism Project is good and Aoi is an incredible singer
Phase Connect is hilarious and kino
Haven't seen much Cyberlive but Lumi is an incredible singer
Haven't watched Production Kawaii at all.

>>15692580
Thanks! Prism has a ton and my list was getting long already. I wish they had more gamers, zatsudan isn't generally my cup of tea so I prefer CL and Tsun

Which of these companies actually give ownership of the models to the roommates? IIRC there was at least two.

>>15691014
Maybe, but it wouldn't be surprising if more also starting doing it, from what I have seen one of the new ones has already been dipping her toes.
>>15691187
Yeah, hard doubt there, GFE is pretty much their trademark and main appeal point, doubt they will ever drop it.

>>15692876
That's fair, I like the zatsu so i tend to gravitate toward them. Hopefully theirs's more unity collabs more soon

>>15692997
Only CyberLive gives ownership to the girls.

>TSUNderia
>Kawaii
>vSHOJO
Whats with en groups using obvious otakubait names?

>>15693159
anon this entire hobby is otakubait

>>15693159
You serious?

>>15693159

>>15690681
Hey, its not just GFE. They have LSE too.

The biggest problem with Tsunderia is their management had no clue as to what they were doing until Gen 3.
No teasers videos just a bunch of really lucky YT ads and getting a video pinned by a well know clipper and some guy who whaled on the fox and dog.

>>15693486
>>15693409
>>15693401
I hate it because it screams 'look at us we're weebs desu desu'
Just use a name that doesnt look obvious at first
Prism, Cyberlive, Wactor, Upd8, 774, Nijisanji are examples.
Not 'DokiDokiKawaiiMoeSekaiSugoi Productions'!

Cyberlive is probably my favorite of on the list Yoki is funny and adorable.

>>15693682

>>15692129
>>15692580
How you guys going to mention singers and not mention Amiya, she's the best EN Vsinger not named Enna, Miori, or Ninaninin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YundPOnCOHY

>>15693882
because i mainly watch prism. I dont know tsun that well to list thier singers other than miori

>>15693682
I'll found my own startup and call it DokiDokiKawaiiMoeDereTsunSugoiSukiAishiteruVirtualWaifu Project just to spite you

Seeing the next Holo EN Gen 3 and Niji EN Wave 5 (or 6) recruits.

>>15691036
Gave tenma and Uruka a shot because if this. Gotta say, they have piqued my interest.

>>15694000
the unwieldiness of the name is the only reason why I wouldn't back you

Rosemi is probably by far their most talented member ever followed in second by Purin who is some what neglected.
Kana was was average not great but not bad either but the neet character and simple uncomplicated design was a stroke of genius.
Not to mention managing to get Nacho the same artist as Gura to make Kana's model along with getting Rosuuri to make Purin and Char and Iron Vertex to rig them all before they got too famous was a massive stroke of luck.
never under estimate the artist rigger association.

>>15692129
honestly I'll probably get some flak for >male but I'll shill the bunny in Tsundream, has my favorite cover of this song second only to Miori because I'm somewhat biased to Miori

https://youtu.be/lYoQbzghSOM

>>15694012
>Gave tenma and Uruka a shot because if this. Gotta say, they have piqued my interest.
Glad you found something you liked! Welcome.

>>15692606
>>15692442
>>15692034
There's also Heavenrend but Amber Glow and Heavenrend are just complete literal whos.

>>15694338
The five companies in the op are just the ones with a major /here/ presence. There's also 4vlive, heavenrend, amber glow, and myholotv, who are around but they don't have much of a here presence.

4vlive is mostly notable for debuting the same week as cyberlive and NijiEN2, and for being one of the companies Terumi shat on during her graduation stream

Amber glow is mostly known around these parts for being the company that had Terumi in it, and when she had her menhera fit so did her thread and after she left the thread basically died with her.

MyholoTV is mostly famous for having an intern who might actually be an actual employee of the company trying to shill the company at every opportunity.

And I don't think heavenrend ever got much attention here. I only really heard about them in passing.

>>15689651
Just started watching Pippa and she's great, she's retarded but she's our retard

>>15690296
Uruka has a breddy good singing voice and is pretty comfy, and I'm still amazed at how great Tenma's engrish is and she's funny when angry or excited, which is all the time

As a holochad the only vtubers I watch outside is Uruka and Luto. I don't know what company they're in, but they're the ones I lkke the most.

>>15690382
Picrel
>>15693065
I believe 4vLive also does, but they're barely 2view and they're run by a fucking idiot with student loan debt
>>15694756
I really like Haruna from Heavenrend. Her game choices are kinda bland, but her voice is so soft and melodic that she's perfect to have on in the background

>>15693159
>Vshojo
>no one's a shojo

Tsunderia average subs - 13.2K - (14 members)
Tsunderia average subs (3rd gen) - 3.3K (5 members)

Prism average subs - 27.9K - (13 members)
Prism average subs (4th gen) - 6.9K - (4 members)

Kawaii average subs - 21.9K - (9 members)
Kawaii average subs (2nd gen) - 8.1K - (5 members)

Phase connect average subs - 17.1K - (7 members)

Cyberlive average subs - 7.5K -(10 members)
Cyberlive average subs (2nd gen) - 5.4K - (5 members)

Judging by average "success" Prism and Kawaii are the best 2 agencies to apply to.

>>15699677
You'd have to weigh your options. Some of those EN corpos are based in Japan and you have to decide if you want to deal with JP permission autism or not. Then if you want the flexibility to have the ability to be on YouTube and/or Twitch.

>>15699677
I'd argue CL should be high on the best given the freedoms and what they offer is high. Their 2nd gen also hasn't been around as long as the others but given the 2 weeks they have been those numbers are actually high. They just don't have anyone boosting their average sub count crazy like the others, and some split platforms or moved entirely like Lumi so judging on YouTube alone isn't fair. Honestly Prism, Kawaii, Cyber, and Phase all have draws. Tsunderia... really not looking great however.

>>15699677
Prism and Kawaii are also both the blackest companies. Highest cut, most restrictions, manager issues and talents who are publicly unhappy. Yura's been open about unhappiness in Twitter spaces and Hana Flores left Kawaii to go indie.

>>15699677
Depends on how you define success. Sub counts are good to analyze from a marketing perspective. They're decently accurate in tracking how many new people are seeing the channels in their recommended feeds (since these startups aren't big enough to spread any other way), but they don't mean shit when it comes to how high quality of a product they're producing. For that, you need a metric that tracks brand loyalty, and the best one is CCV. Since they all get roughly equivalent viewership averaged out across the companies (with Phase bringing up the rear thanks to their JP branch struggles), Tsunderia and Cyberlive would be the most "successful" since a much higher percentage of their subs actually come back to watch the streams. The next best metric is average donations per viewer, but with less than 100 CCV that metric can get skewed with one or two oil barons, and it's almost impossible to track for us outsiders since there are many sources of revenue that we will never see reported. Superchats, YouTube memberships, Streamlabs, Twitch subs and bits, and merchandise all need to be factored in, and only the agencies themselves have access to all that information, although I would hazard a guess and say that Kawaii's barons are stronger than Prism's. They are both very far ahead of the other startups, regardless
>>15700183
The draw of Tsunderia is simple: quality. They have kept the indie mindset in terms of atmosphere, they don't have to worry about game permissions, they're willing to take risks and accept non-traditional VTuber talents, and they have a wide range on their roster: artists, graphic designers, singers, instrumentalists, producers, all at the professional level. Where they fail is in marketing, but they also have a fraction of the budget of every other startup. With that in mind, they've done an amazing job just surviving for two years, which speaks to the loyalty they inspire in their chuubas and in their audience.

>>15699677
Why would anyone join Tsunderia other than it is their last option at this point?
>Want the best numbers? Go to Kawaii
>Want best mamas and decent numbers? Go to Prism
>Want more freedoms than a JP corpo and decent-good mamas? Go to Phase
>Want ok numbers and the best freedoms? Go to Cyber

Literally no reason to pick Tsunderia when they are getting mogged by all of them. If you are a numberfag you pick another corpo, if you want a better contract, and mamas you pick another corpo. Even with males, 3.3k average is by far the lowest of the new gens and they've been out the longest out of everyone. Any aspiring vtubers should join literally any of the other four.

>>15700406
Unfortunately, Tsunderia has no marketing and also takes a 50% cut, which is high considering the level of support they offer (very little).

I watch Yura when my oshi isn't streaming. Haven't checked out anybody else from any others.

>>15700595
Agreed on the marketing, but where have you heard about the cut being that high? Afaik none of the talents have mentioned it. I would however contest that they do get quite a lot of assistance, with their chuubas regularly singing the company's praises with the help they've received

>>15700722
Not anon but it's been dropped before. 50% should be getting better numbers, and marketing. You get a better cut with Phase for a lot more.

>>15700813
I've heard 50% for Prism (which has since been confirmed among other restrictions) but not for Tsunderia. I was just wondering if I missed the source for that claim

>>15700942
I don't want to dig but I did hear the clip where one of them accidentally said the number before (Might've been Miori on a drunk stream).

Cuts as we know them

>50%
Tsunderia
Prism
>Around 60% to talent
Phase
>75% - 90% to talent
Cyber

>Unknown
Kawaii, Heavenrend, Amberglow, whatever else

>>15701177
There's still been no confirmation on the 50% Tsunderia cut. Until there's definitive proof, they belong in the unknown category
>>15700977
Given what we know of Miori's former agency, it wouldn't surprise me if they were the ones taking 50% and this supposed clip was her talking about them and not Tsunderia. Either way, I'd be interested in watching it if it still exists somewhere

>>15697584
Based fellow Holofag Luto watcher. Sometimes you just need to hear a cute vtuber call you a cunt and roast you on stream. It cleanses the soul.

>>15694756
Terumi Koizumi?

>A good number of them just do GFE
Ehh, when bigger groups than you already do that aren't you just debuffing your own growth? It's cool if it's just one or two members but for Kawaii it sounds like the entire group does it.

>>15688575
>Kawaii
who?
>Cyberlive
Pandora, Menace, Emma.
>Tsunderia
Yuuna, Miori, Meruru, Orla (Orla is mostly imo cuz i find her nice, not for everyone though)
>Prism
Yura, Sumi.
>Phase
Iori, Tenma.

WELL SIRS, IT I THINK IT'S TIME YOU ALL LEARNT ABOUT THE VTUBER TO END ALL VTUBERS. I AM OF COURSE TALKIGN ABOUT THE BLUE BEAR HERSELF, FUJIKURA URUKA.

HERE ARE SOME FACTS YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN ABOUT URUKA;
BECAUSE OF HER, THE 119TH ELEMENT, KNOW AS BLUEBEARIUM WAS DISCOVERED.
THE TAIPING REBELLION WAS NOT FOUGHT IN THE NAME OF THE CHRISTAN GOD, BUT RATHER FOR HER.
BEFORE HIS PASSING, VAN GOGN WAS PLANNING ON PAINTING A PORTAIT OF URUKA, WHICH HE BELIEVED WOULD BE HIS MAGNUM OPUS.
URUKA HAS SINGLE HANDEDLY DISCOVERED WHAT DARK MATTER IS, HOWEVER SHE DOES NOT SHARE IT WITH US FOR SHE KNOWS THE KNOWLEDGE WOULD DESTROY CIVILISATION AS WE KNOW IT.
ALAN TURNING CREATED THE TURING MACHINE IN THE HOPES COMPUTING WOULD ADVANCE ENOUGH TO THE POINT WHERE SHE COULD SHOW THE WORLD HER MUSICAL PROWESS.
SHE TRAINED UNDER LUDWIG BEETHOVEN HIMSELF AND WITHIN 3 DAYS HAD SURPASSED HIM IN TALENT.
SHE HAS THE POWER TO SINGLE HANDEDLY DESTROY THE SUN, BUT KNOWS IN DOING SO THE WORLD WOULD BE UNABLE TO WITNESS HER MUSICAL PERFORMANCES, SO SHE CHOOSES TO SPARE US, AND LETS US LISTEN TO HER PERFORM.
SHE DOES ALL OF THIS FOR FREE
SHE IS VERY CUTE (YOU ALREADY KNEW THIS ONE THOUGH)

>>15702115
The thing is that people have different personalities so there could be someone that fits you better than others. Same can be said about those whose content is mostly video game streams and chatting.

>>15702115
I mean Kawaii is one of the more successful startups around as far as I know, GFE is something plenty of people do want from their chuubas and it helps that it's something that is actually pretty varied, Nene's brand of GFE isn't quite the same as, say, Shee's and her whole "pregnant with chat's baby" thing, and some may prefer one over the other.
And it works quite well when done correctly, some pretty popular female chuubas do fall into GFE either all the time or on ocassion (fallenshadow for example has been inclining and she's all about GFE) since it makes the viewers feel closer to the chuuba and generates more loyalty, which makes them more likely to stay and donate (throwing in some "jealousy" acts and "loyalty" talks here and there helps with that, Kawaii does it plenty from what I have heard, and one of their talents even did a video mocking some fans for not being "loyal") which in the end is what will matter the most to the chuuba, sure it may scare away some folks who don't anything to do with that shit and limit your networking and growth a little , but the ones who stay will very likely stay for a long time and throw a ton of money at them and that makes up for anything bad such pandering could bring in the eyes of those chuubas.

>>15702372
Hasnt she mentioned she was like a Music Major dropout or sum shit? I got the ad of her Monster Cover and she seems pretty cool actually.

>>15702115
>aren't you just debuffing your own growth?
It's been proven time and again that GFE gets better numbers than no GFE, even at low levels.

>>15705191
Not only that, but people in double and even in triple digits are much more likely to respond to you which is a very good hook for repeated people and catching new people.

>>15694097
>Rosemi is probably by far their most talented member ever
Doesn't mean a whole lot when she put in virtually no effort while she was actually with the company. It says a lot that despite replacing Ria almost half a year into Tsunquest's life Miori feels like she's always been a part of it. Ria may as well have never existed.

I've only watched a lot of Neena from Kawaii, I would recommend her - she's pretty entertaining. Only drawback is that she's really foul mouthed, definitely not a seiso experience.

A bit much for my taste.

>>15688760
This SEA braphog had far less than this before going small corpo like 1 month ago

Bump

>>15688575
For me it's Iekushi Chapipi

>>15705575
2 weeks ago.

>>15703499
That’s part of her character lore so yes. She’s basically a blue Mori that’s a bear but didn’t join hololive.
> I got the ad of her Monster Cover
Didn’t know she got promotional ads. It make sense since she’s the real goldenchild of Phaseconnect, not some schizo wabbit.

Here's generals ranking
/pkg/>/clg/>/ppg/>/tsun/>/pcg/
Objective truth

>>15706202
If we could only gas all the Pipkeks and conrainment breakers /pcg/ would move up the list by 10folds. But unfortunately it would mean the general will be all but dead. What a shame.

>>15690128
God Arlas especially
I was not expecting her to sound like that

Pippa a shit

>>15689107
That's an awful business model

Please love and support my beloved wife Inukai Purin, she's an incredibly talented and warmhearted girl. She's on hiatus right now due to the typhoon that hit the Philippines, so please prepare a warm welcome for her when she returns.

>>15702115
>A good number of them just do GFE
They dont

>>15693882
Funny that you don't mention Aoi who mogs all of them.

>>15694097
>Rosemi was their most talented member
Rosemi couldn't hold Miori's jock. Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

>>15691128
but not her own mother?

>>15706649
Their latest gen says otherwise. All girls are really good except one who's new to streaming.

>>15706682
Hope she doesn't have to stream using Mcdonalds wifi

>>15707265
How are they all from /asp/?
Only one of them is confirmed to be from /here/, the rest are all new unless there's some past life im unaware of.

>>15700813
>You get a better cut with Phase for a lot more.
That and Phase tends to pay for equipment and singing lessons. They also have a fair bit of model customization to the point one of their JP members has been done from the ground up.
>>15700572
Gotta add to CL
>want to port your indie model or design your own (which you get to keep if you ever leave)? Cyber

>>15706649
>That's an awful business model
Quite on the contrary. They know how to use /here/tubers in a way that's genuinely productive rather than just constant pandering containment breaking.

>>15706700
All female vtubers are inherently GFE

>Tsunderia
Trash
>Cyberlive
Trash
>Phase Connect
Trash
>Kawaii
Don't know anything about them
>Prism Project
They're alright

>>15699677
Now do the same for CCV, the results may surprise you.

>>15699677
To be fair, the JP vtubers really bring down the average for PC.

>>15702140
>>15690578
what about Hanabi and Urara?

>>15707484
didn't a couple of Tsunderia members get to keep their previous model?

>>15707885
>To be fair, the JP vtubers really bring down the average for PC.
kek
Sad but true.

Bump..

>>15700306
The “Yura hates prism” thing has been overblown to hell by doomposters. Apparently she’s even mentioned how glad she was for joining prism. That and the holomama buff got her to collab with kson and others

>>15708918
Yuuna and Miori

>>15689107
>Lumi
>Inori
That's not 5.

>>15710489
Wait Inori's from /asp/?
Proof?

>>15710561
Someone claiming to know her PL said that she's /asp/. I have no direct proof of it, however she promptly reacted to a /clg/ post on one occasion, which proves her to at least be /here/, which in turn lends credence to the previous claim.

>>15710561
Gem

>>15688575
>Kawaii
SEAnigs
>Cyberlive
Only Lumi, comfy strategy games and shitposting on discord
>Tsunderia
Black Company according to Kana and Ria (no proof)
>Phase connect
Pippa is /here/ and the others interact a lot with fans, excellent grooming material
>Prism
A actual black company

You won't kill my rrat that Inori and Veibae are the same person.
There are solid evidence supporting the fact that Vei and Lumi personally know each others

>>15691900
Gee... I wonder which one

>>15712775
You are mixing up Production kawaii with Project Kavvai. Production Kawaii is a Japanese based company.

>>15692102
KNEEL
https://youtu.be/5jHaakBXDRE
FOR THE SLUG OF THE TRASH IS GONNA CHANGE THE GAME

>>15694756
Wasn’t Bae from MyHoloTV before she was picked up by Hololive? Also I can’t help but think that the name “MyHoloTV” was an attempt to piggyback on Hololive.

>>15714301
check their old logo
it completely was

>>15691187
and Charzu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuzqzMxnPh8

>>15714301
>“MyHoloTV” was an attempt to piggyback on Hololive.
Yeah, it really feels like it.

Any chuubas from these 5 companies who doesn't swear like a sailor and/or doesn't even remotely act like someone who "gets around"?
Don't care if their roommate is an actual hoodrat who does daily orgies, as long as they can play their purity kayfabe without missing a beat. I only tried a couple of girls from CL and PC, but they didn't really meet that standard

>>15714986
Everyone in Kawaii besides Neena.

>>15714986
Are you looking for no swearing nor lewd stuff of any kind or there's some leeway?

>>15715111
Didn't expect a whole company, but I will check them all out, even Neena. They look pretty cute and I've even listened to Hana's karaoke in the past, without being aware that she was from Kawaii. Thanks

>>15715384
Some leeway is fine, I just want to watch some EN chuubas who have even a bit of a semblance of purity in their kayfabe. I still haven't been able to get into EN chuubas because of this. Even the big corpos aside from a select few are constantly swearing like 12 year old boys or are leaning into the coomer crowd either with their voice or personality

>>15714986
Amiya Aranha from Tsunderia

>>15708918
Yuuna, Urara and Miori all got to keep their existing characters when they joined, and in Yuuna and Urara's cases they got upgraded models/designs in the process.

>>15714986
You would probably like Pina and Rita from prism

>>15688575
phase connects Ashelia Rinko is my cute blonde big titty zoomer wife! she's very stupid and I love her very very much! I want to spin her autism ring and hold her hand! I love Lia!

Reminder over 70% of the chuubas ever mentioned or discussed on /vt/, are either lurkers or shitposting faggots
https://youtu.be/Hp4_aKVU578
So behave yourself little cucks

>>15714986
From Tsunderia, Amiya, Hanabi, Nen, and Meru would fit the bill.

>>15716492
>70%
In terms of the small agencies I think this is probably lowballing it. Once one person in a company ends up here most of the rest tend to follow.

>>15705572
Also Neena is probably going to be one of the Kawaii girls who is going to break away from the GFE approach.
I remember how she ranted about not wanting to do those short clips or something....

>>15715959
Her petite hands are very lovely

>>15714986
Rita Kamishiro from Prism is the most seiso vtuber in the west for a reason.

I only watch a couple form each company, so I'll try to sell you on the two that I have actually watched.

>Sara Nagare
Caramel Aussie, good sense of humor and great Zatsu. Occasionally does readings of comically bad fanfictions, most famously "my immortal".

>Charlotte Suzu
Salty, Bratty, Loli with a foul mouth and very VERY strong opinions on mundane topics: seems like the sort of person to get into a 40 post comment debate over whether you put the milk or the cereal in the bowl first. She is also VERY girly.

>>15718212
>Loli with a foul mouth
Lies and slander. Charzu has swore once in the 7 months I have watched her and it was pretty recent. You are completely right on the 40 post debate though.

>>15691099
That's actually a pretty good way of putting it yeah.
>>15691128
Yeah, it's a bit sad to see honestly, but honestly they have the odds stacked against them quite a bit.

>>15715748
>Rikudou Yuura
Need to watch more of her but so far she feels pretty lively and plays some not-as-common games. Fell prey of ark recently however. A sad fate.
>Icho Shee
A normalfag, with the pros and cons of one. Turned parasocial apparently because she couldn't continue her normal life thanks to the 'rona
>Asuka Lua
A weird one. A full blown GFE streamer with a bunch of scripts. She enjoys both writing and acting on them so it doesn't come off as awkward. Some might be a bit too sexually charged to me (nothing particularly explicit, stuff like sitting on "your" lap) I have a really low tolerance, its fine for most people. She's the most chill one if that matters.
>Fujikura Uruka
Heard good things in about her in this regard but I have yet to check on her so no comments here.

>>15718999
>Icho Shee
A normalfag, with the pros and cons of one. Turned parasocial apparently because she couldn't continue her normal life thanks to the 'rona

^^^
Oh short-stack maid?
Did she get infected by COVID or something?

>>15719819
Probably lockdowns

>>15719819
Lockdowns. Extroverts don't deal with the isolation very well while your average hikki wont even notice the difference.

Most of them are financially backed by some very wealthy individuals who just want to have their own vtuber company

>>15717661
Somehow I doubt that, but we will see how long she remains in that stance.
>>15718999
>Icho Shee
Doesn't she also have some sort of pregnancy rp with her chat or something? Visited her stream a few times and she and chat were talking something about a baby of their or some shit.

>>15702832
>Shee's and her whole "pregnant with chat's baby" thing
wait I've only caught a couple of Shee's streams so far what the fuck

>>15722559
Honestly I don't fully know either, I saw some anons at /pkg/ talk about that and I decided to visit her stream and her and her chat were also talking about a baby and how "it's coming along well" and stuff, it was honestly pretty weird and I haven't felt like checking her streams much, even thought her model hits several of my preferences, dunno if I'm missing or misunderstanding something but frankly I'm not sure if I want to look deeper.

>>15725978
Probably the usual joke about 9-month membership/subs some people do. Hit 9 months of membership and you have a baby

>>15688575
>What's the difference between these other companies?
Tsunderia has a very cute and sexy manager who is streaming her attempt to update the company's branding RIGHT NOW
https://youtu.be/5jHaakBXDRE

>>15727819
That's who that have in charge of updating the brand? Ura's very good when it comes to budgeting but shit when it comes to creativity or passion. They better hope she has a creative vision, otherwise they're going to end up with more trendhopping and knockoff Hololive/VShojo/NijiSanji.

Good luck Tsunderia!

>>15722559
>>15725978
I think she said she wanted a baby, the chat offered some help and things spiraled out of control. Not totally sure since I got filtered by her normalfag talk.

>>15728331
The company doesn't actually want her to do this. She's just doing it because she wants to and doesn't know if the company will actually take her suggestions.

>>15728396
I really think about this.

>>15727819
>>15688575
There you go OP, straight from the Tsunderia horse's mouth

>>15728331
From what I understand, most of the creative direction starts with PPP and is communicated to the talents to interpret through their individual personalities. They don't seem to have an enforcement method beyond passive-aggression from the slug, though

>>15728578
Phase connect name drop damn

>>15728578
OK the fact that they're straight up streaming their SWOT analysis makes me interested in checking them out...

I see Tsunderia is having a rebranding project. Did something happen to them?

>>15728933
Ura just has some gripes with things decided before she joined and also wants to fix up some other things.

>>15728920
This kind of thing is Urara's bread and butter content on the rare occasions she actually streams

>>15689107
>Menace
>/asp/

>>15728933
Besides the Kana and Ria catastrophes dragging their name through the dirt? Not much

>>15728920
That's literally her niche. When she used to stream more often plenty of 2views learned from her. Terumi read the contract.

>>15727819
Board meeting ASMR

>>15694097
Rosemi really isn't that talented at all compared to either company she's been in. Her gachi are dedicated as fuck but no one can point out a single thing she's actually good at.

>>15729297
thats because Rosemi is good at a lot of things but not great at a single thing. she is creative and good at video editing, she speaks 4 languages, has decent skills at most video games, shes good at comedy and shes a good entertainer but shes not godlike at any game and nothing other than her being good at being entertaining translates to being a popular vtuber

>>15728578
>sakana-san
Who?

>>15730480
Phase Connect CEO

>>15730058
On paper, I can see how being a polyglot would increase your potential viewerbase, but in practice, anything more than English and Japanese is pretty useless (unless you want to stream on bilibili). Even trying to live translate between those two can easily disrupt the flow of a stream. Pikamee and IRyS do it passably well, but they're the only two I can think of. You ultimately only end up conveying half as much information as someone who streams exclusively in one language

>>15731359
could always pander with those learning streams or x language only streams

Bump

Wait can all the japanese phase connect members speak English as well or Tenma is the most fluent?

>>15733845
Only Iori and Tenma speak english

>>15734863
I would've thought pippa and Lia would be able to speak English, but i guess not...

>>15728920
>>15729033
>>15729079
Whats her reason to stream this kind of stuff? Telling everybody what your company's weakpoints are doesn't sound like the best thing to do, neither does teaching the competition how to get better.

>>15734957
neither of them are japanese

>>15735159
>teaching the competition
>the most stagnant startup by far
dyrbi

>>15735396
It's a joke anon...

>>15735159
Tsunderia has always done stuff like this, even pre Ura. For better or worse they try to be fairly open. Personally I like it but I have no idea if it's good for business.

>>15735159
>Whats her reason to stream this kind of stuff?
She gets triple her usual viewers doing it

>>15735511
>first ones in the field
>probably did this thing before the other companies were in the map
>displaying shit that might scare potential recruits
>also might help indies which also are part of the competition
Last but not least
>implying you cant learn from the losers
The relevance of these points depends on how deep she goes when she talks about those topics but still.

>>15688575
>CyberLive
>Phase Connect
>Kawaii
Based
>Tsunderia
>Prism
Cringe

>>15736715
>Pippa connect
>Based

>>15736715
>Reacting to watchmojo videos connect
>based

>>15707673
t. Nia

>>15708600
Urara is nice too but she streams so infrequently that i didn't think about it. Hanabi? haven't given a try yet.

Is the Tsunderia rebrand project going to change the name as well or just the logo?

>>15739418
If it goes ahead I doubt they'll change the name

>>15731359
Multilingual ability truly doesn't help for jack shit for basically every single fucking one out there except for Pikamee. This is probably in large part because Pika was simply the first of her kind to get notably famous in the West and there was a good maybe 6 month window where HoloJP was already really popular in the West but HoloEN did not exist yet where she (and Hana) were the only games in town for an authentic hybrid experience.

Nowadays "wow she can speak several languages!" is not a unique thing anymore at fucking all and basically you need to choose what audience you want to really go for, and if you're fluent in English it's usually just going to be that, see HoloID. Coco was an exception in being almost all JP even though she could in theory have been an English streaming Holo pre-EN. IIRC management forced her to be that way in fact, probably because at the time the staff assigned to her couldn't understand what she was doing/saying in English, thus losing their ability to do their jobs etc.

So besides those two examples which both were one-off cases of multilingual being a big deal, it just isn't these days because the demand for an EN-speaking but JP-styled/guided tuber was super high at that point but was met with several generations of Holo/NijiENs at this point. What was considered a super exotic fruit about a year and a half ago has simply become the new normal.

>>15741002
Japanese speaking ENs are a fucking useless aside from interacting with their japanese branch(or indies), but there is definitely room for more Pikamees. EOP japanese wannabas love that shit. They get to watch japanese vtubers in the language they understand, because everything else that ISN'T japanese is apparently a western whore.

Pick unrelated. Tenma is powerful in her own right, JP ESL or not.

>>15741289
Yeah I guess that is true, Beatani gets a lot of love here. She isn't super fluent however and also is kind of weird as a person, like authentically so, so has a more limited scope than Pika who is instantly-accessible/amusing in a generic pleasant way.

>>15741289
>but there is definitely room for more Pikamees. EOP japanese wannabas love that shit
anon if you're appealing directly to EOP Japanese wannabes that's a shit business model, only slightly better than appealing to /here/ with all the same pitfalls of limited but extremely demanding audience with little ability to pay when pressed.

>>15731359
I think it depends on the languaje and how often it's used, from what I heard Nina from NijiEN got a significant boost from speaking Russian, but not so much from talking French, so there's that.

>>15712775
Should Kana really be trusted? Isn’t she just a lazy NEET in spirit now? They probably made her work and she considered it abuse.

Just tell me which of these cunnies had acknowledged a lewd art tag and I'll consider them not cringe

>>15712775
>Black Company according to Kana
Kana only had an issue with one staff member who was kicked out (presumably) not long after she left. She's still on good enough terms with the rest of the company to be allowed on their MC server at least.

>>15745023
I know a few prism girls talked about their lewds, the only cunnies that acknowledged it are luto and naki tho

i watch prism's latest gen if nobody from nijien is streaming. usually non or sara.

>>15745023
All of Cyber has I think

>>15728578
She is definitely applying what she learned as a Marketing / Business graduate

P.S.
I wonder if she can also do Porter 5 forces model as well.....

>>15745147
>good enough terms with the rest of the company
It's only Purin, and her judgement with who she lets close to her is really fucking bad, as anyone who has been in her groomcord knows

>>15715920
They are one of the most seiso chuuba I've seen so far, along with Nene. They display bright and optimistic personality and their voice are so soothing. Try watching them for a change.

>>15714986
SUMI IS THE BEST VTUBER EVER

>>15701177
Heavenrend has a 70 talent / 30 corpo as stated on their audition post on reddit, dunno about specific deals as I do not watch them. They seem to be doing barely fine on Twitch.

Amberglow was supposed to be negotiated between the company and their talents. They inclined and declined at different rates after the Terumi fiasco

Kawaii is unknown
I'd go into details about 4VLive but that was just part of the Amberglow fiasco and not worth mentioning.

>>15714986
>>15715748
Check out Amiya with Tsunderia. She's unintentionally erotic sometimes but it's just because she's really feminine and cute. She acts like a 30 year old virgin.

>>15688575
I keep mixing up prism project and phase connect, someone give me a memonic or something to remember them.

>>15689080
>I have no idea but I must post
is this what being a gfe brain does to you?

>>15758097
>Prism project
Shittiest management, Prison project
>Phase connect
Has a lot of polcels who scream Based connect