/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Miori is under a company?

>>15728584
Aye, she bought her stuff from MyHolo and migrated over to Tsunderia.

I'm glad Ura's being so open about everything. The early streams with Char and S-Train were Tsunderia seemed really open is part of why I stayed.

>>15729049
She has a really unique niche as a staff member of a vtuber agency who streams and is allowed to discuss the inner workings of the company. It makes for genuinely interesting content.

I learned "brand" is your divegrass team...

>>15728399
>western values
>freedom
>individualism
As a western man living in a hyper-conformist shopping mall theme park obsessed with pretense and lies where everyone is expected to be happy OR ELSE, I take offense to the notion that those are western values after the past two years have shown that western countries are in fact in favor of mandates, demagoguery, tribalism, political theater and "discrimination in practice" (especially towards cis het white men).

As a fake pretend /biz/nessman, I would say that if they hope to appeal to weebs/otaku then it might be better to focus on Japanese artistic values. Japan is much more lenient with leaving artistic content (ie loli) be while valuing fanworks enough to have fanwork conventions.

Also, complaining about being understaffed is just whining. Who's fault is it if not the company's? If you're understaffed then don't grow beyond your ability to staff. Have a fairly thought out business roadmap based on hashing out possibilities and creating contingencies for when plans inevitably fall apart as they always do.

I'm literally a fat autistic NEET neckbeard with no higher education whatsoever, and I'm still appalled at the lack of professionalism shown by a company literally airing their shortcomings and trying to use the audience as a focus group out of sheer desperation, undrrstaffing, and apparently a lack of internal vision within the company.

What am I even watching? And why wasn't "backlash against having a male wave under the same brand as the females" under threats? This is just...

Anyway, that's my free rantsultation. Final advice is probably to find competent visionaries who won't ruin or embarrass the company. Good luck with that. Given how pozzed the west is, I'd imagine that's gonna be a herculean effort.

>>15729342
hey ogey

She's talking to us like a kindergarten teacher and I love it

>>15729321
If brand is how people feel about the company, it makes sense that a divegrass team based on fans' memes of the company would represent the brand.

Feels like I'm watching someone do their homework right before it's due.

>values diversity
>yellow company

Forget my previous post. Seeing how simplistic, vague, meaningless and empty all of this brainstorming is, I'm just gonna turn off the stream and try not to vomit at how childish and condescending this entire stream was.

I don't know what I was watching, but I hope that's not the limit of how complex their real discourse is behind the scenes. I refuse to believe this is anything more than a cynical pointless PR stunt. If tsunderia staff unironically believe all this generalized hogwash, devoid of nuance and deep introspection, then all I can say is that I finally understand why chubas are dropping out and going on hiatus and owe wosemi an apology for shitposting about her being a social climber.

>>15729321
>>15729611
>The divegrass team might have actually been somewhat useful to them as a microcosm of how a number of people perceive the company and its talents
Weird thought

>>15729854
>nuance and deep introspection
Bro you're watching an anime slug girl with big tits. This isn't exactly high culture

>>15729854
Why make such a long post just to out yourself as a needlessly salty Rosebud at the end of it?

>>15729854
bro it's a fucking mission statement

I like her eyes. Very intense. The model doesn't seem to have a lot of life to it though, kind of stiff. Still nice to look at.

>>15730001
If your best defense of a company is cynicism, that doesn't reflect well on their brand.
>>15730173
Mission statements are supposed to be inspiring.

>>15730000
just checking

Korone NBA career confirmed

>>15730218
The model can be pretty expressive, a stream like this where she's basically just doing work just isn't that great for showing it off

The biggest thing Tsunderia is missing is visibility.
Tsundream is doing on okay job of trying to get out there beyond just streaming. Miori obviously has it right, doing tiktok and the YT shorts. Kallin seems to be half-trying with the clips. The rest just kind of seem to be praying they get dragged along with the group.

If this company wants to go, they're going to have to try harder to get eyes on them and do more than just stream. Especially if they're going to stick to YT as their main platform.

>>15731673
Pumping out shorts and trying to hit the algo jackpot really seems like the way to go. It's not just Miori who's proving that, Shiki from PRISM and Nene from Kawaii also became as big as they are for largely the same reasons.

>>15731673
On one of her recent streams Miori dropped that other members are also expanding into youtube shorts and tiktok, and they're geting advice from her. Lisa is already putting out stuff.

>>15729854
>by her own admission only did brainstorming to make chat feel included

>>15731673
100% this. The biggest drawback to giving your chuubas freedom to do whatever they want is that some will choose to do very little. My guess is they are petrified of trying to be more strict with content and getting another Kana situation, someone who cracks under the pressures of expectation and goes full schizo

>>15733767
>someone who cracks under the pressures of expectation and goes full schizo
Meru's zatsudans where she talks about the same hopes and dreams over and over always feels like she's one bad conversation from graduation.

>>15733767
I'm steering clear of tsunderia just because watching the way they're (mis) managed makes me feel like I could do better. It's no fun sitting there watching them struggle while wondering why they're not doing this or that. I want to be able to watch chubas whose companies inspire faith in their ability to provide future growth when it comes to entertainment quality, budget and exposure.

>>15734065
The last few weeks have been a lot better for her. She covers some of the same content, but now she's always hopeful and looking forward. She's a lot more pragmatic and self-aware of her faults and history and works to counter them. She hasn't broken into tears on stream for a good long while. I see that as a big improvement for her.

>>15735818
It's like a timeloop... She's been in this cycle for three years now.

>>15738680
mental health is not something that gets fixed as fast as an antibiotic course on a case of food poisoning. It's a long, slow process with a lot of back and forth. Just look at any Delta or Nerine thread.

>>15735818
Honestly Meru is nice and all but it does feel like her main appeal is to see how long she lasts before going menhera

>>15731673
They need more astrosurfing. Tsunderia shilling on /vt/ is literally just viewers doing their own thing, including old /wvt/ viewers.

>>15740694
Consumer here. Every time I see astroturf ING, I ignore it out of pity. If it got too out of hand, I'd actually hold it against Tsunderia. In order for people to tell tales of your greatness, you must have achieved greatness in the first place.

>>15741029
I mean they could at least bump the thread when it's getting close to page 10.
It couldn't hurt.

>>15740694
Naw, I anti or ignore any vtuber who comes to 4channel's vtuber board /vt/
It fills me with rage that this board is tainted with the likes.
I can forgive management browsing to analyze what the worst part of their fanbase thinks but active marketing is a little much. Slugma isn't loserbait level but still...

>>15741109
Cart before the horse. If your thread needs artificial bumps then it doesn't deserve to live. The real question is how to get people talking in your thread so that it reaches the bump limit. As a rule of thumb, instead of trying to polish a turd, you should first turn that turd into a pound of gold prior to polishing it else your rag will just get covered in shit.

>>15741896
The only small indie and small corpo threads that survive in this board of Holo spam and bait threads are the ones filled with rrats and drama. I'd rather just see them get bumped.

>>15741896
>If your thread needs artificial bumps then it doesn't deserve to live
Doesn't really apply on a board like /vt/ where the board speed varies so drastically. One minute it can take multiple hours for a thread to die, next minute less than one.

>>15742001
That's just a testament to how much small corpos are slacking compared to my own grand vision for the kind of theoretical vtubing company I'd like to see emerge one day to truly satisfy my interest in vtubers.
>>15742196
The main Hololive and Niji generals don't seem to have any issues staying afloat. Instead of being satisfied with bumps, Tsundrria's goal should be to not need them.

>>15742351
You sound as dumb as Tsunderia's CEO, PPP. Who thought he was going to make the "Western Hololive".

>>15742351
>mall corpos are slacking compared to my own grand vision

Can you tell me? I love hearing about these

>>15742429
These companies are so fucking stupid, everyone's just trying to get hololive's chewed up table scraps.
That shit isn't gonna work.

>>15742539
Everyone once ate from Kizuna Ai table scraps thou

>>15742429
That boat sailed when hololove already made western hololive. And then nijisanji jumped in to make western nijisanji. At this point trying to be a bootleg is a debuff.
>>15742467
#NotYourPaidConsultant

>>15743194
>#NotYourPaidConsultant
YOU ARE A SCHIZOPHRENIC RETARD FROM A N A HACKERS IN STEROIDS SITE
IF YOUR IDEAS WERE ANY GOOD YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE SPENDING YOUR TIME WITH SCHIZOS TALKING ABOUT ANIME GIRLS
JUST SHARE YOUR RETARD DREAMS, RETARD

>>15743194
So you haven't actually thought it out at all beyond "What they did, BUT BETTER."

>>15743315
>>15743325
Imagine not realizing that reverse psychology only works if you're right. Must I remind you of the nip that stole a guy's firefighting idea and made bank off it himself? Ideas have value.

>>15743435
>Ideas have value.
Not those that come from this place, thou

>>15743496
If that were true, corpos and interns wouldn't be browsing this place so religiously that it's one of the most visited sites on their home and/or new tab page.

>>15743435
>Ideas have value.
https://files.catbox.moe/1rzxeu.mp4

>>15742467
Marimari I demand your drawings.

>>15743613
Ogey, how the FUCK do you keep track where Orla is streaming?

>>15743757
Her twitter.

>>15743614
In my experience, they all do it as a form of self punishment

>>15743936
>punishment
Technically punishment is akshually a reward for masochists.

>>15743936
I'd imagine small corpos would be here by default because it's the only public community they're talked about in such frequency. As for bigger ones like HoloEN, they're already in this website and it's just old habits.

>>15728399
Isnt this the company that had someone from the inside stalk Kana, nobody was defending her from him and she was forced to graduate?

>>15744137
A better question is, was he the kind of "qualified and trustworthy applicant" they're presumably looking for more of to shore up their staffing issues. Maybe they should stick to only hiring female staff. Because I'm sure a company comprised mostly of women will be able to get along just fine with one another.

>>15731673
Seconding this. How many vtuber fans (hololive/nijiisanji/etc) are even aware of Tsunderia's existence? It seems like the streamers can draw attention by gaming the algorithm, but what can management do to make people aware of them? Revising the mission statement and creating a new logo is not going to do that.

>>15744247
I dont think I need to tell you why a company ran by women is a terrible idea

>>15743936
Mio seems to like this place at least

>>15744597
>How many vtuber fans (hololive/nijiisanji/etc) are even aware of Tsunderia's existence?

They will when we win this next /vt/ league!

>>15729200
Misaki.....

>>15743055
That was a very long time ago, and none of them were particularly successful. There was a reason nobody took the throne from Kizuna Ai until Hololive came along.

>>15744137
Anything Kana says should be treated with extreme skepticism. She's the kind of schizo that will do anything to avoid responsibility, both personal and professional, and that includes throwing others under the bus. It wouldn't be the first time she lied and blamed others for her own fucked up mental state, by her own admission

>>15749421
>There was a reason nobody took the throne from Kizuna Ai until Hololive came along.
This is beyond delusion

>>15749477
Seethe nijicuck

>>15728399
Maybe their rebrand should involve removing trannies

>>15749452
How does your screenshot disprove anything?

>>15742539
>>15743194
I see this repeated a lot on this board, and I do agree with it to an extent. The problem is that the small corpos that DO pivot themselves towards being Hololive-lite end up finding a fair amount of success with at least one of their girls, and that's because the people that drop big money on SCs still see vtubers as nothing more than substitute GFs in the west. It's MUCH easier said than done to break through and get on the level of at least NijiEN since vtubing has its own restrictions on what it's capable of, and there's only so many ideas of there that are really that different from what someone bigger than you is doing. Additionally, even when they get picked up by the algorithm we can't be sure if they'll be able to use that newfound fame. Shiki has over 100K subs but Phase couldn't translate that into growth for the rest of the group.

>>15749685
It doesn't, but her subsequent admission on stream that day that her father wasn't actually mean to her shows that she lies about innocuous shit.
It's all hearsay when it comes to her graduation. I'm just a day 1 flea that paid attention to her behavior and personality before and after Tsunderia, and it's pretty obvious that she left because Tsunderia was attempting to use her explosive growth to lift up the other girls in the agency (like a good agency should), and she didn't want to give up the spotlight to anyone else, even her canine friend. Any other reasons are either secondary or imaginary

Axia...

>>15749723
>Shiki has over 100K subs but Phase couldn't translate that into growth for the rest of the group.
>phase
anon...

>>15752970
Kusa moment but you get what I mean. Prism not Phase.