/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I want to get good at singing, but I don't know where to start.
By some miracle I've managed to make it through the school system with less than minimum musical education.

i think i'm stupid, i'm trying to come up with a name for the chuuba i'm workin on and so far i've got nothing good (charlieVT is the only thing in my head and it ain't great)

>>15527395
A lot of it is having proper breathing and posture, as well as understanding how to utilize your chest and head voices properly
You could probably also look up some videos on vocal warmups
How does your singing sound currently?

>>15527915
Sounds like shit. I think I need a full curriculum, not isolated videos.
It's like DC movies, the story never progresses if they reboot Batman every 5 years.

>>15528378
>Sounds like shit
gib sample

>>15528378
everyone hates their own voice anon
just record yourself singin something
if you need a full curriculum you might be better off looking for a voice teacher

>>15527395
anon for fucks sake how about you actually search for some real info instead of procrastinating asking questions on an imageboard for underaged children?
singing has been around for hundreds of thousands of years and there are tens of thousands of courses and methods to learn how to sing
use a search engine for information and consider taking professional classes if you actually want to git gud
if you are so lazy that this bothers you then give up now instead of lying to yourself and wasting time

>angry twitch partner chuuba is back to shit on /asp/ies for not already being a professional singers and knowing everything already

>>15530201
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=how+to+sing
You have too much faith in the internet

>>15530278
you're a retard if you think that's the same person
this is definitely the retard who perpetuates the "DESIGN DOESN'T MATTER JUST STREAM WITH A PNG OF A STICK FIGURE" timeloop

>>15531395
He's not wrong though. Design doesn't matter. Find an artist who can draw well and you can make a pile of shit look cute. Some of the best chuubas are literal "person in a hoodie" type designs like GreatMoonAroma but have very good artists and riggers that make them expressive enough to carry.

>>15530278
>twitch partner chuuba
I have no idea what you are talking about, fuck off with your boogeyman. Im not a twitch partner and this is my first post here in months
what Im saying is that (You) need to lift your own finger and actually do something instead of just wasting your time basically shitposting
for example (You) can go grab some information on courses and then come back here to ask for our thoughts instead of just going "uhhhh guys? how do i learn to sing?"
what the fuck do you faggots actually expect from this shit? we cannot teach you how to sing through 4chan posts

it pisses me off because clearly they havent even done the very absolute basics of >>15530533 and they dont actually want to learn how to sing, just pretend and procrastinate instead
I left here months ago because its just an eternal shitposting timeloop
I get it, its the same gutter mentality that permeates the entire site but its fucking annoying checking back here and it being the 1st post so I sperged out

>>15531395
jesus christ man
I underestimated the state of this general, cant blame you guys if you really are under constant shitposting siege

>>15530278
Why are you so obsessed with me? It's getting really weird that you've called at least 2 or 3 different people me. Maybe the idea of "Do your own research." for some things isn't as bad as you seem to think? No one said "FUCK OFF RETARD JUST GOOGLE HOW TO SING!" they just said to use google to find information of the massive number of online classes, courses, etc. out there. Why do you get so angry when someone suggests that a person do some research of their own? No one here for the most part knows anything about....well, anything other than what's been parroted over and over like technical help.

You won't learn to sing just from a post on 4chan and you won't learn to sing by just googling it "which no one suggested" but you can learn to sing if someone tells you that you should look into courses, classes, or something from an actual skilled professional.

>>15531466
>>15532295
You do know that you only get clickbait/clickfarming article if you look up how to sing, right?
You're not saying people should do something that you haven't tried, right?

>>15532420
I said two different times in my post that no one said to just google "how to sing". They specifically suggested you do some research of your own and look up courses, classes, etc. What advice can anyone give here that will actually teach you to sing?

>>15532420
>there are tens of thousands of courses and methods to learn how to sing

>use a search engine for information and consider taking professional classes
which of these means "Go google How To Sing and click the first link."?

>>15532555
Maybe someone here actually learned how to sing and has something better to offer than 40 tips for how to sing better.

>>15532555
Bloom still lurks the thread and is a professional singer but usually you have to give him something to work with so he can tell you what to work on

>>15527708
What is the theme of your chuuba? Try to pick something related to it
>>15527395
You can start by picking a song you like and recording yourself singing it. Then listen to it and find your flaws. If you can't reach a high note look up how to increase your voice range, if you run out of air practise breath control and so on.

>>15532698
I'm positive there's some experienced singers here like Bloom or that one girl who would come through and drop tips, and I'm also positive you'll get the same advice as you'd get from guides but with a pretty blue border, timestamp, post number, and a (You) to go with it.

>>15532867
This post is a great example of what I just said >>15532999 too. Breath Control is an important part of learning to sing, which I also just found in one of those "40 tips for how to sing better." There's only so much an anon can do for you without them resorting to just being your 1 on 1 vocal coach on a consistent basis. I'm not saying they're bad at giving advice, there's just a limit to what can be learned here.

>>15527395
I’m not an expert but I’ll post the singing stuff I use when I get home. (Wanted to bump the thread since we’re on page 9)

personal opinions please
I’m thinking of learning a new instrument (violin specifically) do you think people would be interested in seeing and hearing the learning process after a bit or should I just hold off and only play when more comfortable

>>15536530
>do you think people would be interested in seeing and hearing the learning process
No.

>>15536530
Do you watch anyone learn to play instruments? Is anyone else doing it to any form of success? No? Then no.

Can you make it entertaining or not?
I don't think many are interested in seeing some dry random dude just sit on a chair and badly play an instrument but if you can crack jokes or tell interesting stories etc it will be just like any other creative "just chatting/drawing" stream but with music instead.
That being said aren't 0 view just chatting streams pretty hard to draw in new viewers? Is your current audience interested in seeing it or are they all just going to leave? (If you already are a 0 view it's not like you have anything to lose.)
To directly answer your question: No I would never consider watching someone learning how to play an instrument solely based on that.

>>15536530
>>15537822

>>15527395
>>15535443
For warmups and exercises I use Aussie Vocal Coach. Don't stress too hard over which one, they're all vocalises and you just need one that matches your range.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbAHuHgj0RjadzpDzZ0OWVA
If you don't know your range, check singingcarrots
https://singingcarrots.com/range-test
For technique, the best generic advice I can give is to pay a lot of attention to your vowels, because you sing them different than you say them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRN9t6yyUUc
and when you breathe, breathe in like you yawn, with your mouth wide. Make sure your chest is expanding as you breathe in and it's contracting as you breathe out, and that your shoulders aren't raising as you inhale. This is what people mean by "sing with your diaphragm"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR2772TGrgo
(I haven't actually watched this channel before because I have a coach but she seems like a good resource for beginner stuffs)
The last major thing beginners struggle with is pitch, and all I really have for you is to practice your solfege and try to match pitch well with those vocalises from above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKH3sNeikg
(People on here also recommend Michael Trimble's videos. I personally find them rambly and hard to follow, but I'll link them here anyway.)
https://www.youtube.com/user/Tenoretrimble/videos
Good luck, and if you have any more specific question ask them here. We could use the bumps.

>>15537950
Forgot the most important rule, which is that if anything starts to hurt, stop. And drink a lot of water cause your endurance is gonna be trash at the start.

>>15537950
>>15539136
Thanks a bunch, I'll come back if I hit a snag

How realistic is this idea?
Practice singing for 2 months and get "good enough" that I can apply to Hololive. "Good enough" meaning that my vocals will be decent enough quality that their sound engineers and mixers can barely scrape together a workable song cover. Ame and Sana don't sing that well but still got in. What's wrong with this plan?

>>15543189
the fact that singing talent isn't the only factor for getting into hololive?
what other things can you do that will make cover want to pick you over other applicants? what history of content creation do you have? are you already streaming?

>>15543375
>what other things can you do that will make cover want to pick you over other applicants?
I can play video games. It looks like that's what most of Hololive does right now.
>what history of content creation do you have?
Like what?
>are you already streaming?
No but it seems easy. I can do that next year.

what if i can match pitch very well due to years spent singing on rock band but my voice itself just has a shitty tone and sounds terrible even if i am "technically" singing accurately?

>>15543455
>No but it seems easy. I can do that next year.
did you even look at the application? they want proof that you have a history of some kind of content creation
it could be anything but based on previous members, you need to have some experience putting your work out on the internet whether it be through livestreaming, music production, art, etc

>>15543779
>they want proof that you have a history of some kind of content creation
What are they checking? TwitchTracker? Sullygnome? SocialBlade for Youtube?

>>15543853
probably? i know they ask you stuff like, "what is the highest amount of concurrent viewers you've had while live" in the form

>>15544092
Do you think it's lying if I say over 50? Technically it's not wrong, it was on a collab I was in, and got around 40 on one raid... but without raids my max is only 21

>>15544426
i'd probably just go by whatever sullygnome says your all time highest was

>>15543779
It's bait, fairly sure it's the same guy that comes around and says "all they do is play videogames" every so often. Just ignore it and it'll go away.

please dont take the bait

anons is there any hope for a female chubba with a tranny man voice
i'm not normally above trying to squeeze some pity out of it but i'd prefer to build a fun community over a sad one

>>15543740
Depends a little on what you mean by a bad tone. See the stuff about breath support and vowel placement from >>15537950, that’s where most of your tone comes from. Aussie has some “tone exercises” but personally I find them straining, so maybe work up to them from his other exercises.

>>15545595
You can try, it's all about being entertaining. There are popular babinikus, there are girls with man voices doing decently. Just try.

Let's say you're an /asp/ie that started earlier this year and have been streaming for some time. Let's also say that you have a half decent community around yourself and you know some other /asp/ie chuubas. If you applied to Hololive and got in what would you do?
>Tell your friends about it?
>Tell your Discord about it?
>Stay silent to everyone?
>Just announce a graduation and ignore the topic?
How would you breach the subject so you don't burn all your bridges like a certain Hololive member?

>>15545789
thank you anon, i'll do my comedy reps. wagmi

>>15527708
If your stuff is in English, pick a name that has to do with your theme and with enough English in it. Just take a look at holoen and how their names are easy to understand even to non weebs

>>15546028
I'd tell fellow chuubas and (Some) IRL friends, i appreciate my fanbase but i don't know them personally enough to guarantee them keeping the secret

>>15546514
>I'd tell fellow chuubas
Lucky you to have chuuba friends you'd trust with this kind of information.

>>15546028
Basically do what >>15546514 says. You don’t need to tell the audience because anyone with an iq above 10 will be able to figure out where you went. Personally if I was in that position I would move away from vtubing after my run at holo was over to pursue other things since you probably can’t sustain yourself off of vtubing forever. So burning bridges on the past life isn’t that concerning

>>15546028
Fauna and fallenshadow

fuck i guess i need to come up with a theme before going anywhere with naming
i'm kinda real bad with this already lol

>>15547850
if you dont even have a character designed or drawn the last thing you need to worry about is a name

>>15547907
i've got a character design, it's just that my bland ass can't think of anything outside of the visual side lol

nobody here is going to make it into hololive
Stop deluding yourself

>>15548031
then google a name generator and mash the random button til you find one you like, name really isnt that hard

>>15536530
One thing I’ll add is that you might get viewers if you’re trying to do something specifically hard, and even then only if you are within a couple of hours of pulling it off. ASTURIAS UNTIL I GET IT RIGHT could be a fun endurance stream, Hot Cross Buns won’t be.
If streaming is a way to force yourself to practice, then by all means, but don’t expect anyone but regulars

>>15548056
I'm all for helping people get started and figure out what they want to do, but this is just the truth. Everyone picked for the EN branches has experience streaming or creating some form of content successfully. Even the ones with less experience like Mysta or Fina still had something to back up their application with. Most everyone posting here has nothing, literally nothing, but are dead set on applying to Hololive as-is instead of starting as an indie or small creator the same way they did and building up.

>>15548056

>>15548287
For what it's worth, I'm not applying until I have at least six months of consistent streams under my belt.

>>15528378
It's not like DC movies. If you show us your "shit" singing we can tell you at least one of the many things you might have to fix. You will, hopefully, not ever reboot these errors or at least be mindful of them moving forward. You can at least get some direction.

No, we can't teach you to sing, but we can save you some time while you learn. Hopefully we can also teach you to take some soul-crushing insults while persevering.

>>15543455
>like what?
Like anything. If you read the application they just want to know that you have the drive to post ANYTHING regularly and be consistent about it. It can be drawing, it can be streaming, it can be shitty video tutorials, it doesn't need to be singing.

>>15548056
Alright, alright fine. But is it delusion if I train myself into thinking that joining Cover would suck and that I'd be better off as a 2 view?

>>15548056
I can match fauna's credentials
Maybe i should apply this year

>>15548287
If you’re in here because you heard about the Hololive auditions thing you should hit the Start Streaming button in OBS tonight. Have that feeling of urgency in your chest.

>>15548393
Evidence is inconclusive if she’s personally here, but her friend group is full of them

>>15527395
To the other anon's point, Trimble is somewhat rambly, but if you really wanna get it right, I think his stuff is the only way outside of getting a very good teacher, something you'll pretty much only find in universities (which usually require auditions so gl). I went from totally unable to sing to being able to pretty easily cover two full octaves with consistent tone throughout in about 3 months just doing vocalises while staying mindful of all the little bits and pieces he teaches (try doing these with a tuner, at least for the first maybe month or so). He's a real miracle.

Anyways, the whole reason I started typing this was to give you a guide through his stuff.
Start here: https://youtu.be/AjG1QrlWnac
If you get yourself a tuner app of some sort, just identifying your true mask should inform you on your range a bit. Treat the lowest note you can sing with a totally inactive neck/throat as your bottom for now, absolutely don't try to push it lower. Untrained tenors (especially light lyric ones) can sometimes struggle for their lowest C, light baritones sometimes start with tenor range, it's not terribly important right off the bat.
Then watch this lecture series: https://youtu.be/uRuIpjhVgYs
These establish all the parts that make up good singing (deep breath, breath lean/support, contrary abdominal motion for even emission, point of phonation/staccato, properly using the head for resonance, etc)
Then check out any of his videos for topics you feel you're having a hard time on. He repeats himself a lot, but the stuff he repeats is important, and take it from someone who's in it right now: it's very easy to bypass or forget little bits of what he says here and there. You'll come to appreciate the repetition. Singing is like 15 simple steps just slapped atop regular breathing, but your vocal production is a house of cards; strike one bit and it all topples down. I'll continue this post in a sec with some personal tips, getting a bit long.

>>15550165
At the risk of asking for a spoonfeeding, how much experience did she have? I know she streamed before Hololive but I don't know for how long or to how many people

>>15551004
She was on youtube for asmr for a while, she has X00k subs on there. As for streaming, she had her anniversary stream shortly before going on hiatus (joining hololive) and averaged roughly 100 for game streams and 250-400 for asmr.

>>15527395
>>15550613
For the first few days, don't even focus on hitting notes. Just work on producing a consistent tone or vocal quality with all the pieces aligned as he describes in those first videos. Beautiful might not be the right word if you're hyper-critical of yourself, but this should sound "pure," resonant, full, big but not strained, just throwing adjectives out there. I think you'll know it when you hear it, he provides his own voice for reference along the way.
When you feel you've got tone down, start trying to hold notes, but don't try to go for high notes. Talking for like the first week or two. That may mean you have barely a full octave of range. That's okay. Grasp the fundamentals first, and once you've got the "programming" set for singing, those high notes should come naturally. Definitely report back in if you get to the point you feel your program is fine and you still can't get big resonating high notes, the solution is probably really simple, but it can be frustrating, which leads to brute forcing which can lead to injury. I wasted a lot of time doing high notes wrong, and only finally got them down properly last week. The sound was so much more beautiful I teared up a little. It's worth it to get it right, in every possible sense.
Second, once you're past that introductory stage of programming, messa di voce vocalises are gonna be your bread and butter for improvement. You'll know when you're ready for these because you can't cheat them - either your singing form is perfect (or getting close) and you can adjust the dynamics (while maintaining tone and pitch) with breath alone, or you'll have to strain some part of the body to maintain either your tone or pitch. Identify the strain, eliminate it, and do NOT push loud if there's ANY strain at all, you WILL injure yourself. This is the refinement stage that will last the rest of your singing life. His other videos should help on figuring out where the strain is coming from, and I think we have enough singers here that we may also be able to.

>>15551153
Thanks; I'll keep that in mind as I try to become worthy of applying.

>>15551874
Its not a bad idea to apply to smaller corpos as it will look good on your resume as well.

>>15552015
Is applying to other corpos really a buff? I don’t really know the reason they even have that question on the audition thing

>>15546028
I’d stay quiet and only tell close friends. I have a small audience who has stuck around with me for a long time (2 are from the time where I was a literal 1-2 view), I wouldn’t be able to ditch them like that. While I won’t graduate, I’d stream a bit less often. I enjoy my small community where everyone knows each other, it’d be a nice break from streaming for Hololive if my roommate account doesn’t get found out.

>>15552055
I mean being previously accepted to smaller corpos like cyberlive tsunderia etc.
As for your question, its to ensure they dont potentially lose out on good talent to rival corporations. If they know you applied to others they may be more inclined to keep you on board

>>15552015
Noted. Any North American ones you'd recommend in particular?

>>15552221
At the moment i think theyre all mostly female centric, which is expected. I'm not sure if that changes your prospects but i was simply just throwing the suggestion out there!

what is /asp/'s opinions on starting as a pngtuber vs a vroidtuber?

>>15552616
pngtubing is easier on your gpu

>>15550613
>>15551752
I’m the other anon, but thank you for the Trimble watching guide.

>>15552305
I'm a man but I'll still take your advice for any corp that would take my application. Thanks for the advice

>>15552616
vroidtubing is more resource intensive but you don't have to be good at art to get your character out there

>>15552616
You’ll need a PNG eventually as a reference, but good Vroids can look quite nice. Go for it if you want.

What kinds of things do you guys talk about when you start running out of topics?

>>15552888
I just talk about whatever reps I've been doing or start commentating the game, you might also experiment with leaving chat hanging for a bit on a question or topic to better pace yourself if two come at once (or nearby), let yourself ramble on the first

>>15552888
a story from my childhood or school relating to the topic at hand

>>15552888
Make a list of fun stories you have, keep it next to you somehow, reference it when you hit a lull.

>>15552888
I keep a notebook of random music, movies, or shows I knocked off my backlog and talk about those.

To literal 2views, do you get personal with the stories you tell? And to those who did and gradually became popular, did you retell those stories to a larger audience base? I’m curious how everyone approaches this.

Also, is it just me who has a document for when I remember something interesting that happened to me so I can refer to it and bring it up on stream in future? Or am I just too much of an autist? Kek.

I've recently gotten my model rigged and my overlay etc done, desu I can start streaming now if I wanted to but im not sure how to start off.
do people do any launch activities? I dont even have a twitter acc yet cause I didnt want to be a TBAtuber lol

>>15555636
this is autism. just start.

>>15555636
Just start, you're already on the road to being eternal TBA

>>15555797
lol good point, guess i'll just go ahead and start

>>15555545
While I'm not a 2 view, I'm not a big streamer either. I've retold stories a few times if it's related to the topic and isn't something I brought up recently. I don't like to be extremely personal because it's not the type of relationship I want with my audience.

The document thing is very common among streamers. Preparing a list of topics to talk about beforehand prevents dead air or when you run out of things to talk about.

Would you guys recommend making an extremely themed character that you don’t necessarily fit into but want to become? For example, making your character a bard but you’re not skilled in singing or playing an instrument. Or a stand-up comedian when you have no experience in the area? I was thinking of going with the simple “so-and-so is learning to become this-and-that through VTubing” lore.

>Kronii
>7k viewers
>she's just messing around with voice over effects
one day i'll make it to that level

pulled in my writer friend to help me work on my character n stuff, this is gonna help a LOT

>>15559697
good luck anon hope it does help

>>15557036
Would you personally watch that?

>>15557036
no

I love Momo's antics

How do you deal with minors watching your streams?

>>15575872
First of all, you can set your stream to mature, so they shouldn't be able to see it. Then, add a 'channel rule' of "must be an adult".
Then ban them if they're obviously a child?

>>15550165
Shadow, you need to let her go

I love my fellow /asp/ies! Happy new year!

>>15583028
Happy new year, mummers

>>15583028
Happy new year too anon!

>>15583028

Getting mushy, finding this thread was a huge help for me when I was deciding if I wanted to start vtubing at all or not. I took the plunge back in July and have been having a blast since then. May well hit 500 followers tonight, which I never could've imagined then. Happy New Year, /asp/!

What time format is best to use for schedules? Would using 24H make me look autistic?

>>15587128
I picked my local timezone and let viewers convert to their local time.

>>15536530
>>15536894
>>15536702
Luna does, to some degree it works just fine but you have to keep in mind that she has the brand buff, so learning streams as an indie may be too risky

am i allowed to post my stream here for feedback? i've posted pics of my model here before and i just got the rig 2 days ago, about to start my stream hmm

>>15588647
Sure.

>>15588647
sure mate

>>15557036
As an indie you don't really need to aim for lore, leave that to the corpos that have groups that can interact themselves in their own universe and even then forced lore could be boring, what you need as an indie is affinity with the character, the less you force your voice to talk in character the better, the more natural your act is the better, the more sense your actions make within the character's personality the better, so the moment you pick "the bard character that is really bad at the start but wants to learn some of the most beautiful songs in the world" you will have to live up to that, if after some time you actually make progress then there should be a character development buff tied to it
So I won't say is hopeless to try, just that that's how I would go for it if I had to

>am more enamored with the idea of creating a chuuba design and L2D/overlay assets than I am with the idea of actually streaming

It's a shame since the only thing that would scratch this itch is making these assets for up-and-coming chuubas but they all obviously have their own designs and themes in mind

What kind of pre-recorded content I can make on yt? My viewers ask me for some since not everyone can watch whole VODs, but I dunno what to do different than singing (man I love singing tho)

>>15590119
I think you're underestimating how many people might be happy to pay to (to use the "terminology" they do) "adopt" a pre-made and work to fit the character rather than brainstorm up a whole design themselves.

>>15575872
Become family friendly.
A kid with dad's credit card is a powerful ally.

>>15590189
"try not to laugh" challenge videos would probably get views.

Do you use the same account for streaming and watching streams?

>>15591028
Yes because I'm not autistic.

>>15589471
>>15589803
its twitch.tv/tabgod

>>15592209
>grill
>voice isn't grating to listen to
you already WAGMIed it and I feel like you know this have fun though good luck to your future endeavors

>>15592209
everything looks fine. you should get an actual schedule instead of streaming randomly. this way you can build up a community that'll know when to meet up, hang out with each other and do it on a consistent basis. looks like your twitter is pretty new, start using that to market out some of your better clips. how are people finding you? don't read the thread while you're live

>>15592209
From what i saw you seem to be doing well, consider getting an overlay, keep up the good work

>>15592209
oh its you! glad to see you've started streaming i would try to stream snipe you but i'm only plat 3 at the moment ;_;

>>15592209
Agree with this anon >>15592397 that a schedule is the #1 best thing you can do if you already have your core content established. Consistency is key for getting regulars who will check in more often than not.

Stream itself seems good, you're engaging with chat pretty well and filling air consistently. TFT ain't my speed but it seems like you mostly have a good idea of what you want to stream and looking over past VODs it looks like you haven't pigeonholed yourself into a single game or genre yet. Especially early on you have some flexibility to try branching out and seeing what sticks.

Keep at it, already off to a good start.

>>15590119
Vtuber adoptables do surprisingly well. It's mostly NGMI who buy them from what I can tell but they still do great. I see some get bid up into the hundreds for even not as well known artists and that's just the design (not a ref sheet, just a design) without the Live2D or other assets.

>>15594662
>It's mostly NGMI who buy them from what I can tell but they still do great.
There's some chibi artist on twitter that has been churning out designs for small scuffed character designs. Sells them for maybe $100-$120 each and easily sells like 8-10 a month. Never seen a single one of them actually debut though.

>>15595472
I've been thinking about doing VRoid commissions for this reason, but i barely could bring myself to do my own model

>>15595472
Mind linking that? I might be interested.

>>15599494
nta but i throw in "Vtuber adoptable" into twitter every so often just to see what's out there.

Is it possible to make ASMR without ASMR mic? I'm thinking about making ASMR with all my OCs to shake off my constant rebrand cravings

>>15594662
It's funny, because I feel like the types who would be the most likely to want a full complete adoptable package at a decent pricepoint wouldn't *want* an adoptable because they'd be taking it seriously enough and be invested enough already to want to have a custom design/theme of their own choice.

Adoptables seem like they make sense for the people just wanting to dip their toes in at a low price point and aren't really super invested, hence why they rarely if ever make it.

>>15599953
Not a chuuba but iirc Tea started out recording on her phone, you can always upgrade mic later down the line

>enter chubba stream i found at random
>casually make chubba laugh
>go away from the screen to do some chores
>come back to find them raiding a literal man-voiced tranny's stream
>days later, mod randomly gifts me a subscription
>don't want to accept it because i don't want to come back ever after that raid
Man, towing the elite's line would really make everything so much easier. I might actually be able to use this to network with ease.

I saw some folks struggling with singing in this thread and thought I'd offer some advice on how to sing in Japanese even if you're not a native speaker.

Understand that singing in japanese is not like singing in english. Everything is broken up into syllables and the nuance pronunciation of those syllables. It sounds complicated but it's not. It's just practice and repetition.

You begin with figuring out the general rhythm and timing like you normally would, then you strive for imitation of the original artist's intonation and emphasis. If you have a good ear you can figure out what in the song is important and improvise later.

Then you go over the romanji lyrics and translation while you do this. Now autistically practice this until it sounds somewhat right to you. Record yourself and play that shit back to find problem areas. Rinse and repeat.

Start with slow simple songs.

>>15600091
What about lemonleaf and shadow? I don't think they started with pro mic either

>>15603170
Yeah, i just mentioned Tea because it was the only one i was semi sure of a scuffed start and needed an example, there are probably tons of people who started doing ASMR with less than ideal setups, so don't be discouraged

do you think vent streaming is a good idea?
feeling super menhera rn, makes me wanna stream

>>15608463
not really, honestly. I wouldn't want to watch that, personally

>>15608463
if you're a 2view go for it. it's not like anyone is going to watch you.

>>15608463
Find some other way to vent

>>15592355
thanks anon ;_; i sometimes really hate my voice since it fluctuates in pitch a lot so i really appreciate it
>>15592397
>>15594144
yeah i really need to start making schedules. i have insomnia and often end up really screwing up my sleep schedule without even trying and it ruins my plans of streaming at a particular time. do people usually stream daily? i've been doing that because i'm able to before the semester starts, once it starts i could probably stream at least a couple hours a day unless i have a lot of work idk
i also struggle with picking a game to stream, but idk how often people actually schedule specific games they'll play on each day or if they just turn their stream on and pick what they'll stream that day.
>it looks like you haven't pigeonholed yourself into a single game or genre yet
yeah i didn't want to only play one kind of game on stream, cause i play alot of different games anyway and doing first playthroughs is always fun. but i've heard some people actually prefer to only play one game/genre cause it allows them to build an audience from that specific group. i've played so many things that i've had people from all different games stopping by on occasion, sometimes they're only present for when i'm playing that specific game they found me playing though
>>15592432
i have an overlay when i'm out of game, i didn't want the text to be too small when i'm in game so i usually just let it be on fullscreen. i will try one though just to see how i like it, ty anon
>>15592984
hi ! did you see my model when i posted it on here long before it was rigged? also, you could probably snipe me at that elo LOLL i lost so many today zzz

>>15611648
>sometimes they're only present for when i'm playing that specific game they found me playing though
I think that's somewhat inevitable, the risk you run of being a single game streamer is that your audience and success can become too tied to the whims of how popular that game is or isn't at any given time: see the notable decline of Apex-only streamers in Japan lately for a good example. While you run a better chance of building up an audience that will drop in regardless of what you're streaming (because they're there for you rather than the game) when you branch out a bit. And sometimes you'll end up with some in-between, regulars who don't watch some specific games you play but also aren't limited to only the one game they found you with.

It's not like there's a science to it and there's definitely pros and cons to both. Having a bread and butter game or set of games for establishing a core audience then branching out every once in a while to bring in new eyeballs isn't a bad strategy. If you ask me, I'd take the long term health of a varied audience over being dedicated to a single game or type of content, but that's just me.

>>15526738
any advice for gaining traction by posting short little clips on youtube? like timing or the style of posting?

>>15615155
Sweet spot is 15 seconds or less, right?

>>15615155
>>15615217
less than 1 minute is the rule of thumb. what you show really depends on your content. if you play horror and scream a lot, you might have a short with 10 clips of yourself screaming with rapid 3 second cuts. 2.5 second build up with a 0.5 "perfectly cut" scream. that would take up 30 seconds. maybe you do ASMR lines which might take 30 seconds to properly set and trigger sounds. maybe you sing and you put out 15 second segments of a song's chorus.

>>15611648
>hi ! did you see my model when i posted it on here long before it was rigged?
I did! I distinctly remember the hair specifically
and I might try to if I catch you streaming again ahaha maybe I'll have climbed a bit more by then but it was fun to catch the game that I did you're crazy for putting a morello's on akali

Hayppy new yearss /asp/!

>ate pizza earlier tonight alone
>spontaneously threw it up about 20 minutes ago
>no, I'm not drunk and haven't had alcohol in literally years
>don't wanna stream because i'm a 0 to 1view (on a good day) and it's new years and everyone is either watching actually-good chuubas or not being losers and having fun with IRL festivities
>can't even drink myself to sleep because, again, don't drink i'm not like a former alky i just haven't felt like getting piss drunk for no reason
>now i'm schizoposting here because i don't even have online friend groups for [insert multiplayer vidya here]
h-happy new year /asp/
and no, i'm not the guy who was talking about venting a while ago, for the record i agree, yeah, venting as a 0view sounds like a stupid fucking idea

>>15627547
You may be dim, but it's always dark before the glorious sunrise

>>15627547
>>ate pizza earlier tonight alone
>>spontaneously threw it up about 20 minutes ago
I don't get it, are you bulimic or something? I mean if you are, sorry to hear that, hope you get it figured out. If you want to figure it out.
Like I said a week ago to an anon lamenting the Christmas season... Bro, tonight (or holidays in general) is absolutely the BEST for streaming if you don't have anything going on. Imagine how many other people are out there, also bummed out and alone, who would probably tune in just to hang out. My two cents anyways, granted I'm a neverstreamed so take that as you will

>>15628438
>Bro, tonight (or holidays in general) is absolutely the BEST for streaming if you don't have anything going on.
viewerfag please shut up and leave /asp/ with your retarded takes

>>15628478
Aight

>>15628425
yeah i dunno i guess this kinda angsty whiny (you) fishing should be beneath me considering i'm 31 and should be beyond such things
>>15628438
no, i'm not bulimic. i unironically think it's because of the sauce, it was papa john's and i got blue cheese (don't ask, it's a weird acquired taste) but the cup seemed kinda... off. still ate it. chief among the flavors that 're-emerged' when i upchucked was blue cheese so it was probably just my body purging nasty shit before i made myself sick. also i have to agree with >>15628478 , like i guess thanks for the advice? but even with only like 4 months of 'experience', i've crossed a couple major holidays (thanksgiving and christmas) and your 'theory' seems to be not quite reflective of the real world

bump

it's the new year /asp/ and i've watched over this thread since the start and i can say that it has been inspiring to see the chuubas who have come out from this place; we've all made different levels of progress but it always makes me happy to see someone post a vocaroo or their design and then see them as they start making content.
here's to more people streaming and coming out of their shells! /asp/ie love!

Would it look cool to have a logo/text in a stringer transition or is it better to just leave it as is?

>>15648595
if you can make it readable in the short time it appears and disappears

>>15649598
I see, I might add a logo instead if I ever decide on one.

Remember /asp/ that bad NYE doesn't mean bad year, you can rock it
Just start streaming

>>15655422
wtf

>>15586803
Thanks mystery chuuba who I totally dont know who this is, seeing your growth over the past few months has been amazing! I hope you the biggest success and I'll be rooting for you!

Asking in both front and back, cuz I'm vaguely interested.
How 'discerning' are you with collab requests? If someone approaches you, are you likely to check them out first, or reject if you don't know them?
Does it change when they're bigger/smaller?

I had a long-time viewer, who actually turned out to a streamer, just never mentioned, ask to collab. So we played something for three hours on his stream, but checking the stats out afterwards, literally nobody was watching except me, which isn't new. Now, I don't mind, because he bought me the game, so I boost my steam, and it wasn't on my channel, so I didn't mind too much.

But still - would you do a collab with someone you know of/like/don't know of, if they're averaging 2, 15, 100+?

>>15661991
Depends on how much you get along desu, gotta be friends and to see if there's chemistry before doing collab streams which means hanging out and talking to each other first to see if there's any awkwardness. Having a policy where you accept all collabs is a disaster in the making.

>>15661991
I'd ask them to play something off stream first to see if we get along, i'm a literal 2view so i wouldn't really filter by size

>>15662200
Yeah, I've basically accepted all the ones that came my way, but this hasn't been great. Some of them were kinda sketchy, and could have gone super badly... Such as the one guy who did a CAH stream, and was drinking during it.

>>15662064
That's a good point. The "open collab" requests always seem so wild, because literally anyone could dial in

Is it a good idea to stream later today?

>>15663836
Why wouldn't it be?

>>15663966
I was wondering if people would be busy doing something else, do people do anything on new year's night?

>>15662359
whats CAH?

>>15664277
Cards against humanity. It escalates pretty quickly.

>>15664232
There will always be people online. Maybe a few less, but there's going to be thousands available to watch you.

>>15664437
Alright, gonna give it a go

>>15615155
YouTube shorts with proper tagging and descriltion (dont do tag bombing pls)
Remember that its always vertical vids, 60 segs max

>>15665624
How much is tag bombing? Which are optimal amount of tags? Should you do your own tag?

>>15668675
keep it to 4 or less
>#vtuber
>#shorts
>#whatever your content is
>#game you're playing

Maybe it’s due to me being a regular streamer instead of a VTuber, but I managed just fine without having a schedule and streamed whenever I wanted. I used to stream almost daily for 3 months straight at random times and eventually got followers and viewers. Hanging out in other streams and becoming friends with the streamer helps a lot too.

I stream probably once a week now due to seasonal depression fucking my shit up, but I still average 7 viewers per stream and peak at 15 doing whatever I want. Stream times are random too (2pm, 12am, 6am). I’m not a 0 view, but I’m not popular either.

Maybe it’s just how I cultivated my audience that I still get viewers no matter what game I play or time I start my streams.

>>15669941
cringe

Good day, anons. I'm here to announce I have a twitch channel and I have viewers (sometimes). Thanks for your attention.

>>15669427
If I also speak second language, should I add it? No VTuberITA? Which do I exchange it for?

>>15671131
the tags are to let viewers know what your video or short is about. not you. if you're speaking a language other than english just tag the language itself without vtuber in it.

>>15669941
>managed just fine
>average 7

stop talking so fast /asp/ies. you want to fill dead air not jam pack it like sardines.

>>15672660
I cannot, there is nothing between dead silence and talking way too fast and excitedly

My shorts get way more views than my streams or covers, should I focus on them?

>>15673951
yeah, they're the best way to grow desu.

>>15526738
I need some advice friends. My vocals are going well, my model is good but not great. Still undecided as to whether this short hair is a good choice and still need to made her some custom clothes. Honestly I kind of think she currently looks like a lesbian flight attendant, and now I can't unsee it.

>>15675470
Childish pigtails + small adult eyes looks very weird desu, without pigtails would be better. Maybe try long ponytail?

>>15675953
They're not pigtails. They are hair poofs meant to resemble feathers like on a horned owl. Like when you've slept wrong and your hair get's all messed up.

>>15676112
the first impression that anon got is going to be similar to the first impression of your viewers. if you have to explain it in text, you haven't designed it well enough. or you can just stop worrying so much because this is autism and won't matter.

>>15676200
So I should just do the poofs over? I mean I thought it was pretty obvious that they were too tiny to be pigtails but oh well. Was trying for a subtle nod instead of dipping into full furry territory but you're right people are fucking stupid. If they aren't being smacked in the face with this shit it won't work.

>>15676659
>So I should just do the poofs over?
>you can just stop worrying so much because this is autism and won't matter.

>>15675470
Get an artist to draw a PNG while getting them to design your character a little to figure things out. You still need 2D art for your promotional material anyways.

>>15676818
>>15676200
You realize you are telling an autist like me to not obsess over details. You know that right?

>>15676889
then go redo them?

>>15676850
I am an artist though. This is my rough draft. I'm struggling to find a direction to go in because none of the models I make match my voice. I aged up the model because people suggested I go with the warmer end of my range and now I'm still lost. None of the clothes I see in booth work. I'm gonna need to paint everything custom from scratch. Which is why I'm asking for advice because everyone I usually ask has no frame of reference. I keep having to start over from scratch. This is like the tenth look I've developed this month.

>>15677093
Mind dropping a quick vocaroo for me to give better suggestions?

this is what happens when you /asp/ies keep pushing "design" autists get caught up in trying to find the perfect design that matches them perfectly and end up never streaming.

>>15677131
Speaking voice
https://voca.ro/1angk2uLSzvs

Singing voice
https://voca.ro/1gfjRQRnyCQw

They are both really different,

>>15677861
you sound like a caffeinated kronii

>>15677886
Is that a good or bad thing? I am caffeinated though. I need it due to chronic insomnia. I actually had to google what Vtuber you were talking about but I've seen her avatar before.

>>15678123
your voice is fine for the model as it is. i'd say you've overthinking it but you've already admitted being an autist so it won't help.

>>15677861
Your current design looks like a white version of Athena nightingale. Listening to your voice and with your normal voice, I'd suggest going something more feminine and cuter than an older more ladylike look because it provides a nice contrast and gives you more of a buff. You can adjust your character in the future or give new costumes if you want to change your look.

Think Nina Saotome or Letania Belladona where their cute looks contrast with their voices which adds more character to them.

>>15677861
Oh to clarify, bigger eyes and longer hair would be ideal. You should aim towards your ideal rather than try to aim for something that looks like you.

>>15675470
>>15677093
Honestly, while I know people tend to fixate on specific character details, what I'm more interested in when it comes to the overall design and visual direction for a chuuba is the underlying theme that ties those design decisions together.

Do you have any particular theme you're aiming for here? Anything you're currently drawing from for inspiration? Or are you just trying to make a character that looks like something you like and figuring out a theme from there?

>>15678270
>>15678238
>>15677886
Thanks for the feedback. I think I know what I need to do now. Gonna go full feminine and redesign from ground up. I'm actually glad I asked you guys cause had never even heard of Athena Nightingale and had no idea how similar they looked.

>>15679438
I was hoping that in creating something that made visual sense that a story would emerge. Current idea is someone or someone or something that gets isekai'ed into this world.

>>15679511
Good luck anon, be sure to know that this should be your last redesign and you should just start streaming soon after it. Otherwise you'll never find a design you'll like.

>>15679663
At least superficially when hearing that, I'd expect more fantasy elements in what I'm seeing. One of the core things when it comes to theming is that it's immediately readable to the viewer if that's what you're going for with your design, so long as you don't go overboard and end up leaning too hard into cliches or generic tropes.

Of course, this is only me speaking for myself (and speaking from a general art standpoint and not a chuuba-specific one), but I find that when I start from a core concept or theme first, that ends up informing a lot of the smaller design decisions I ultimately end up making. If I'm working on a piece that, say, is themed around the old film noir aesthetic, there's such a wealth of content out there to help direct what does and doesn't fit that underlying core. A lot of the guesswork and throwing-at-the-wall process is immediately shored up just by knowing what the staples of the theme I'm working with are, and from there I can go on to make interesting decisions or twists on those common elements.

Either way I'm interested to see whatever direction you end up going with, the design phase is by far my favorite part of chuubas.

>>15679226
Funny thing is that I started with a character that looked more like you're describing. Not super long hair but bigger eyes and shoulder length hair. I think I will go much longer than that and cute dresses.

>>15675470
Remember if you’re your own artist you can always make changes once you’ve started streaming and sell them as “new hairstyles” or “outfit reveals.” If it helps your autism, set yourself a hard deadline soon to just start streaming and don’t miss it no matter how you feel about your model, because what you have is definitely good enough to go live with.

are youtube shorts functionally different from just uploading a short clip as a normal video? like does the algorithm boost them because they're the newish feature youtube is trying to push? id rather not have to vertical crop them but if thats what works then ill do it

>>15681474
>id rather not have to vertical crop them but if thats what works then ill do it
they must be vertical because the shorts feature is optimized for mobile devices. if you've used vine, instagram or tiktok, it's that but with short youtube videos. a nonstop scroll of videos that people consume.

>>15677861
Try speaking less in lazy voice, your singing voice sounds much better

>>15677861
i love ur voice pls can u be my oshi

>2view dumpster dive because bored
>Find a stream that seems interesting
>Click on it
>30 gifted subs
How does one learn this power?

>>15682432
Lazy? That's just my natural speaking voice. I could probably warm it up or formulate a voice to remain in character in, but that's probably gonna limit streams to like two hours max maybe 2 and a half with multiple breaks.

Any suggestions? I'm a fucking vocal chameleon. I can do about anything in my range. Only thing I can't maintain for longer than a minute is a country or southern accent.

did my first stream today bros, i had got like 9 followers from it, and it was super fun
(except for unexplained audio issues)

>>15682978
Nice! Did you post an announcement anywhere before you streamed or did those followers just happen to discover your stream on their own?

>>15683033
posted it to my like 5 twitter followers, and got some randoms join too - including the most active member in the chat being a dude who just wanted to watch someone stream Hitman 3 apparently lmao

>>15677861
I like your voice. What games you are going to play anon?

>>15683079
Peggle, Peggle Nights and Peggle 2

>>15682883
Sure I'll be your oshi if you want

>>15683079
Honestly I'll have to look at my backlog of stuff on steam that won't show any previous screen names I've had. Though I might be able to do that work around thing where you turn your steam into a family account and can share games in the library.

Cause honestly I'd like to play some deep rock galactic, maybe some minecraft, and rpgs like skyrim or Vampire the masquerade. I like high fantasy open world crap where I can be a weirdo and make my own fun. I have a habit of collecting games when they get on sale then playing through them bit by bit.

>>15683313
thanks oshi
also with the steam thing, most single player games wont even show your name on screen, so have a look through them before you start streaming and work out which do - especially if there's content you want carried over

>>15683076
Not bad! That's some great motivation from just your first stream; keep it up

>>15682883
>calling someone who you haven't watched stream your oshi
bold move but you'll get called an astroturfer out there, son...
>>15677861
your singing is cute go join the vtuber choir once you actually debut
i'm also fond of your speaking voice but i have a preference for lower voices in general i guess but i think it sounds nice
its nice to see someone in the thread dropping by with a design and talking about ideas instead of shitflinging; its been a while since a chuuba has been birthed from here
bet of luck anon!

>>15684114
i dont really watch vtubers anymore but i'd come back just for that voice so you watch your damn mouth old timer

>>15683313
Steam family share is really nice and easy to set up, have had a handful of games not sharable though.

On previous names since you mentioned Minecraft, the history of past account names is findable if you reuse an account.

>>15682961
Yeah, that's why it's lazy voice, you don't do anything to make it sound better. When you sing you actually have to work on how your voice sounds more. Try speaking in your singing voice, it should sound better, even though it will feel weird at first since you're not used to it

>>15685111
I completely disagree with you, her "lazy" voice is great for streaming IMO.

If you have a natural voice that's naturally conducive to broadcasting and that doesn't have you strain to push outside that natural range, 100% use it every time.

>>15685111
this is retarded. another anon mentioned that she sounds like Kronii. there's a clear market for a voice with that vibe. not everything has to be animated like a cartoon loli.

>>15682960
Not sure honestly. All of my biggest donators now are people who found me and started when I was a 2view.

>>15681547
well yeah i know the shorts have to be vertical, i just meant that i would rather upload clips as normal videos at a normal resolution instead of uploading them as shorts that look like ass on desktop. but if shorts have more algorithm pull then ill get over myself and just upload the same vertical clips to both yt and tiktok

>>15687282
Anya.....

2022 bump

hey everyone, it's been a long time since I have last been here, does anyone have the updated list of vtubers from here?

>>15688823
haven't seen any chuuba here since atropa

>>15688873
Here's a full list of chuubas from here that i can pull from memory based on having posted in the thread/being stated to be an /asp/ie that have streamed
>balbC_Odette
>Elliot Ambers
>Golden Kenji
>Cadence Harper
>Nanase Cain
>Kaji Oniyama
>Naoki/Lance Maverick
>Bodega_Rrat
>TeruTeru
>CallieCalico
>PowerNelson
>vvouivre
>AtropaEverwood
>ProfBloom
>Woozle
>AndyYusaru
>Lex Parte
>Pommemade
>WiseTheAI
>AkameiMay
>Sora_Shuu
>tabgod

>>15689609
>vvouivre
>AndyYusaru
>Lex Parte
aside from design posting have they selfposted at all?

>>15689722
>vvouivre
selfposted here but posted more in /wvt/ but also never got to a consistent streaming schedule
>AndyYusaru
posted his debut here, i recall him and lex talking about design stuff in the thread based on reply chains
>Lex Parte
alleged /asp/corder

>>15689848
lex has posted his model in here before but he's left the /asp/cord now because someone said faggot

>>15690127
>because someone said faggot
like someone called him a faggot?

>>15690284
no, like someone said faggot in a completely different conversation, all the homos got upset that the word was allowed right then and stuff happened

>>15689609
thank you anon

>>15690331
>>15690284
>>15690127
>>15689848
https://vocaroo.com/14cZdkOVxQ4v

>>15690390
if this is what you guys sound like in the /asp/cord i think the word "faggot" was the least of anyone's concerns

>was supposed to be working on my model these past few weeks
>have been feeling like shit for the past few weeks and don't know when it will stop
>no idea if it will stop
>watching my oshi betters my mood for about a couple hours before i go back to feeling like shit
>would've killed myself between christmas and new year's if i wasn't concerned about making my family, which i paradoxically feel doesn't care much about me, sad
>want to start regardless
How do I become pagliacci?

>>15690480
just start

>>15690480
Bathe regularly, clean your room and set achievable goals for yourself

>>15690480
unironically just start
obviously it's going to feel more complicated than that, but if you don't keep going, you're going to keep coming up with more imaginary conditions you need to "feel good enough" to get going, and its never going to end. try to catch yourself when that happens and just keep going, regardless of the feelings, and it WILL pay off

>>15690825
I started showering daily and I'm keeping my room clean.
I guess making something on Vroid Studio should be achievable so I might try that, but I don't know why I haven't felt like it.

>>15690772
>>15690890
Okay. I'll give that a try.
I think I have time to cobble a functioning vroid together before going to sleep so I can start testing OBS tomorrow.

How do you make an audition video? I get the general "show your talents don't tell your talents" idea. I'm assuming no one would be able to pull off what Ina did? She mentioned in her audition tape she just introduced herself, sang a little and then talked about food she likes. But Ina also had the huge professional tier artist buff. Gura and Kronii were meme gods with huge Youtube channels in their past lives with millions of views so how the hell do I compete against that?

I think it's a better idea to wait for the next Nijisanji auditions than waste my time with the Hololive application.

>>15691023
>I don't know why I haven't felt like it.
It takes a while to get the hump off your back. It takes time and consistent effort. Being diagnosed with depression doesn't consign you to a life of being depressed; I hope that helps

>>15691237
Thanks, anon.

>>15691232
If you’re not a god tier talent at something or a streamer with a strong following you’re not gonna get into Hololive. Are you already streaming?

>>15691802
No but I figure if I aim for Hololive and miss I could at least land on Nijisanji.

>>15691819
You should probably focus on getting started first before aiming for the two biggest companies

>>15692141
Okay but how do I make a good audition video?

>>15692206
Fucking get started, that's how. Then you'll have experience and material and can actually put together an audition worth a damn.

>>15687282
Anya... why won't people respond? They're the ones that reached out to me... I've never had this problem with any other crowd. Could it be that people don't want to pay me at all? Anya, I need your advice...

>>15677861
You've got a very nice voice. Very warm timbre for your range. I think the lowest notes in the song you chose might be below your anatomical range? Either that or you're just having trouble placing your chest voice to get good resonance. There's some good looking singing advice up the thread just a bit which could probably help in the latter case, but as a personal anecdote for the former problem: I'm a baritone, sang as a bass for a long time in choir, and had a similar problem in my low notes (had to cheat for them with audibly bad form). Nobody ever corrected me until I started learning to sing opera stuff. Anyways, likewise, you might be a mezzo-soprano rather than a contralto.
Whatever the case may be, your default speaking voice is very nice and your singing voice has a lot of potential. Cool instrument, basically.

>>15691819
> I figure if I aim for Hololive and miss I could at least land on Nijisanji.

Why do you think this? Not even trying to break you down, but what makes you think you're good enough? If this is the "They just stream themselves playing games, anyone can do it!" bait I'm going to lose my mind

>>15692633
Do we have another choral singer here that isn't Bloom? I could've sworn Bloom was a tenor based on his singing...

>>15692206
You already answered how to make a good audition video. Show your talents, don’t spend time talking about them. If you can sing, sing, if you can draw show off your art, if you’re funny show off a funny stream clip or tell a joke. Make as little dead air as possible.
To answer the question you’re actually asking, they don’t even accept nobodies in the small corpos anymore. Unless there’s a 2view in Luxiem I don’t know about, every member of Nijisanji was busting their asses to get there.
The good news is that if you get started now, in a year you’ll have a year’s experience, which is a year more of experience than you have right now. There’s lots of resources in the OP and it’s never been easier to grab a PNG and start.

>>15692847
I just sang it in high school kek, surely that's not uncommon

>>15692917
Ah, same here; you just talked with a lot of musical language that I usually just attribute to him, haha
I don't know if I'd consider having any choral experience as common here though

>>15692887
I thought one of them had pretty low views comparatively but he was still pretty skilled as far as talents go. Pretty sure he was a singer but I didn't keep up much with who was who in Luxiem as far as PLs go.

>>15693103
nta but you might be thinking of me
i pop in every couple days to /asp/ when/if singing shit is mentioned, experience is being a baritone in a university acapella group a couple years ago and did professionally-amateur training and shit but i'm out of practice
neverdebuted but i am into music production and shit even if i haven't kept up my vocal reps

>>15693585
Also I'm not this guy >>15692633 though he's also a baritone, it is the most common/default male voice type so

>>15692887
>To answer the question you’re actually asking, they don’t even accept nobodies in the small corpos anymore. Unless there’s a 2view in Luxiem I don’t know about, every member of Nijisanji was busting their asses to get there.
why does /wvt/ keep pushing indies to go indie corpo like Phase Connect or Prism Project then?

>>15693585
>acapella group
Any tips on developing better relative pitch? I'm having a really hard time with sight-reading music

>>15693936
Interval training. If you know solfege, that's got interval training more or less built into it.

Unfortunately, I am a jack of all trades girl. I know how to sing relatively okay, have better drawing skills than the average person, play a handful of instruments at a beginner level…is it worth showing off any of these on stream even just a few minutes doing so casually? Or should I work on really developing 1 or 2 before doing so?

>>15693936
Unfortunately, if you yourself lack sufficient pitch recognition, it's hard to really self-correct because you wouldn't be able to hear what you're doing wrong, even if you recorded yourself. If you can bounce it off a trusted friend and/or someone who won't make fun of you or something, that would be ideal, but again, they themselves need to have a good ear.
While smartphones were kinda fancy new tech when I was in school, I just did a quick search and found apps for pitch recognition. Without testing them out for myself, I'd say something you might try is downloading one of those apps and using it to sort of test yourself. I imagine (I might play with it a bit myself just because I have fuck all to do and would like to do a good deed for the year) you might be able to play isolated vocals from a song to it, see what it says, then go in yourself and see if you can match it.
I don't wanna come across as too much of a smarmy asshole, but for me it's just natural. I remember as a kid doing shit like humming along to the vacuum cleaner (to use a really specific example) until I was perfectly synced with it. It was just a sort of autistic challenge I played with myself.

>>15694306
focus on your singing

>>15694306
nobody gives a crap about your talents, just stream. you're not a performing circus monkey. It really doesn't matter. Being a jack of all trades is better than a master of one.

>>15694836
technically you are a circus monkey since you are performing in front of an audience in exchange for money, since you are the product and the audience are customers
that said, yeah, personality will work out way better than any other tangible talent

>>15693749
they're not

>>15694930
they literally are?
>>15693812

>>15694915
>technically you are a circus monkey since you are performing in front of an audience in exchange for money
retarded take. you're not some animal that will read out ever "ara ara" or chimp out like a monkey just because someone dangles 10 bits at you. going into streaming with the idea that you're a performing monkey is retarded. you control your stream. if some viewer gets uppity, ban them.

I feel bad asking and I understand if no one wants to, but can I get some notes about my content in general? I really wanna improve but I'm bad at picking things to work on, like I know I'm bad I just don't know exactly why. Regardless I hope you all have a great night.
https://www.twitch.tv/yukiakiko_vt
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl_CqOO0SIzzTVjwT2Z1etA

>>15694915
>technically you are a circus monkey since you are performing in front of an audience in exchange for money
If you believe this is what streaming is you're already fucked.

You're a content creator first and foremost.

>>15694130
I guess I'm on the right track then, I've only been singing for a few months now so I'm not too shocked to hear that. I've started to notice improvements from what little I've already done. Like, I can usually tell when I'm sharp or flat to a relative tone acapella, but not by how much, so I kinda have to guess at where the center is. I've heard with enough practice anyone can develop pseudo-perfect pitch by just extrapolating a few notes in advance from a reference, which is where I'd like to end up. I've been considering learning piano to try developing that too, any thoughts?
>>15694309
Oh you've misunderstood I think, my pitch perception is good, I can ear-read well and center my pitch with something actually audible without any guessing if I've heard it for, I dunno, half a second-ish? I just struggle to sight-read music because my sense of like "A is exactly this far from B" isn't as good yet, I think the skill is called audiation? It just makes it tough to get through harder passages without memorization, because I'm not imagining A the correct distance from B until I actually hear it. I've got a good handle on the instrument, but I get lost in sheet music, basically.

>>15695143
>You're a content creator first and foremost.
Who the fuck do you think is supposed to consume your content?
If you create things that nobody wants then you're not going to get the audience that you're looking for.

>>15695234
...Yes? Where in the world did you get the impression that being a content creator means you don't give a fuck what the audience for that content is?

>>15695140
1- your sounds are fucked and it's impossible to hear anything in your vod. why is everything so quiet?
2- you have way too much dead air. your vods reek of someone just hitting "go live" on OBS and playing games to themselves. can you write out in a single sentence what value you, as the streamer, are providing to the experience versus just watching a mediocre no commentary playthrough of the same game?

>>15694978
one guy saying it doesn't make it something that consistently happens in /wvt/.

>>15695329
A circus monkey creates content (funny tricks) to entertain an audience that wants to see it.
All live entertainment needs you to be doing something that people want to see, clownery, stand-up, singing included. You are a circus monkey.

Assuming that you need to have more pride than a circus monkey from step 1 is will make the start very painful.

so am i retarded for going for vroid models on a mid-spec pc
or am i smart because i have no money + can't draw

>>15695140
As anons have said, audio issues abound, and your commentary is lacking. Your design is really uninspired as well so first impressions are bad and you aren't providing anything for people to stay.

>>15695440
A circus monkey does what it has been instructed and trained to do for cheap laughs and minimal payment on command.

You are not a circus monkey, and if you think you are you're in the wrong hobby/career.

>>15695498
okay 2view

>>15693749
I was assuming the person who wrote that was at literal zero. The bar is lower at smaller corpos but I don’t think you can get in with no following.

>>15695456
>Your design is really uninspired
That's pretty fair, I'm working on trying to fix that
>>15695371
which vod did you watch? I'm just wondering because I've been trying different audio configurations and I'm trying to find what works. As for dead air stuff, that's something I've been trying to minimize as well.

Thank you both

>>15695167
Ah, sorry to misunderstand. Then I'll parrot the other person saying just to do soflege, or any other scale repetition.
>It just makes it tough to get through harder passages without memorization, because I'm not imagining A the correct distance from B until I actually hear it.
I can honestly say I basically need a first-pass of a song before I can do it properly. I know there are truly talented folks who will be able to do pitch-perfect sightreads, but I was never one of those. Upon hearing a song once through, though, I sort of internalize the general 'feeling' of the song, i.e. I know that in this bit or that bit it arpeggiates upwards, etc., and then when I see it coming in the sheet I'm like "ah, right, this is THAT part."
Might I ask why you have such a strong desire to be able to sightread? I guess I'm sort of trying to understand where you're coming from. Like, it's a "nice to have", but if you can pitch-match (which you say you can)... what da problem is? Speaking in the context of /asp/, that is, are you really focused on doing blind sightread karaoke as a schtick or something?

>>15695557
>which vod did you watch?
your most recent one titled "January 1st 2022 Stream" where you played Metroid in mostly silence.

>and I'm trying to find what works
BGM in the middle of green
Game between middle of green and start of yellow
Voice in middle of yellow
stop "trying to find what works" and just make sure your settings match those three above. you're not going to reinvent something new that has been tried and tested since livestreaming started in 2009.

>>15694306
None of that sounds like a bad idea to try out. If you find people aren’t responding to chibi drawings or some guitar chords then drop it.

>>15695976
>January 1st 2022 Stream
that was an off stream for me (at least as far as I'm concerned) but I still see what you are getting at
I'll try those settings next time I stream, thank you

>>15696071
>that was an off stream for me (at least as far as I'm concerned)
i don't care and your viewers won't care.
if it's that bad then just cancel.

>>15695439
i dont thin settling for it makes you either, it just makes you desperate

>>15695439
you are retarded. you're better off with a png.

>>15696106
Harsh but fair, I fixed the audio issue so that's a start

>>15695140
i just watched your last stream that autoplayed on twitch, anon. I think you're off to a good start for someone so new. I skipped around to random times and I always caught you giving some sort of commentary, so good job! As someone else said, your design is uninspired, but it's cute you have a cafe theme going on, so if you can commission a better model for yourself down the road, I think that would really help. Also, you sound hesitant at times, I'm not sure if it's because you're shy or just the lack of an active chat gets to you, but try to be a bit more upbeat. Fix your audio settings!

>>15696457
>I think you're off to a good start for someone so new
thank you, I really appreciate that
>sound hesitant
yeah its a mix of shyness and talking to myself for hours on end every night, I'll try to stay more upbeat though.

>>15695560
No worries! and sounds like a plan, always good to have affirmation.
>I can honestly say I basically need a first-pass of a song before I can do it properly
That's basically what I'm looking for; I think that perfect sight-read skill is either just a born gift or a lifetime's endeavor, certainly not the sort of thing I expect to have anytime soon in any case. I'm struggling on the quick internalization and mental prediction/imagination of the notes on the sheet, "hearing and thinking like a musician" if you will, being able to fill in the gaps. I feel like I'm still explaining it poorly. But it sounds like I'm doing the right stuff to stop struggling, so all is well.
As for why I want that, I'd just like to be a better musician, and I think its an important skill. I'd like to write my own music someday, so I think it kills two birds with one stone to try and improve in that regard.

>>15695140
I clicked through a few vods. I can't get a feel for what your identity as a streamer is other than dude who plays games. Why did you decide to be a vtuber? The stuff you're doing doesn't show any thought towards using the medium, you'd probably have more going on a face streamer.

>>15697678
>identity as a streamer
Yeah I just tried to defend myself from this point just to realize that I couldn't come up with anything... so that's bad...
>Why did you decide to be a vtuber
It just felt right, not really sure why I chose that as my medium of choice (It's really only one of my projects, but its my most active atm)
I think I should work on finding that identity, thank you

>>15697803
The start streaming mantra really only applies if you're going in with some sort of idea. Figure out what you want from this creatively before you sink time or money into it.

>>15697678
I'm not them, but how do you suggest a vtuber should play to their identity? I haven't started yet but the avatar I'm working on is a fantasy and occult themed undead character since I enjoy fantasy and plan to do divination streams as well as game streams

>>15698009
You're already there, you're creating content that matches your interests or skills. You were able to give me two things you liked and those informed your design decisions.

>>15683313
RIP anon your voice can't save your game choices.

>>15698130
Yes it will, don't be dumb.

>>15698130
when i did an art stream a while back i literally had a kid come in and ask if i knew what skyrim was and if i could play it even though i didnt own it at the time
skyrim can probably work out, and minecraft will always get some activity if something nice is on the stream thumbnail

Do any of you have a recommendation for a shock mount for a Fifine K690?

>>15698294
doesn't that one come with a shock mic, I have a fifine and it came with everything

>>15698346
The K690 is similar to a blue yeti in design and about the size of a nano. I tried a nano mount but I didn't like how wobbly it was

>>15698063
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I've been spending a lot of time drawing my own avatar and while I do have a pretty good eye for character design I don't think I'd be happy with what I can produce myself, so I'm starting to look around at people offering commissions on Twitter. Any advice as far as that's concerned?

>>15698487
Just comes down to what you want, if you want to find a Japanese artist look up tags you like for designs on pixiv and see if they have a contact email for commissions.

>>15695140
you got a cute voice ngl
check out ike from luxiem. his character archetype of the soft bookish boy might suite you.

>>15698700
>you got a cute voice ngl
thank you <3
I'll check out Ike and see what I can incorporate into my streams going forward

Oi selfless shill , but I've been a drawfag for many years on here, I recently learnt L2D and completed my first model

say henlo to the lurkin Aussie chuuber cow

>>15698891
welcome, do your lurk reps, avoid engaging the schizos and bait, good luck on your chuuba journey in 2022.

>>15698891
hello, best of luck in the chuuba race

>>15699023
Oi ty anon, dw no schitzopostin 4 this cow

>>15699118
Cheers anon !

>>15699185
what's your twitter or are you literally just asp

>>15699251
nah my rigs ready to go, fuck doing all that work without committing

right here friendo

https://twitter.com/OyatsuChanVT

>>15699372
just followed

>>15699392
blessed

>>15692633
This is the female singer from before. My range is actually pretty weird. So year the warmth was added for effect. At the top of my range I can nearly handle first soprano but I've been attempting to develop the bottom of my range because the top of my range sounds elfish.

Here's some other examples

Higher end
https://vocaroo.com/148kwdOF1iO1
https://vocaroo.com/17KW5uNnx915
https://vocaroo.com/1nmsukNLJDe9

Lower end
https://vocaroo.com/1RPB7qCfIeQ1

>>15698891
I'm also a drawfag, what resources did you use to learn live2D? I don't think I want to be a vtuber but I would like to learn how to get money from making models lol

>>15699835
OP covered most the resources I used, but Brian Tsui's series is my number one recommendation for anyone thats looking at starting. Apart from that it's days of sifting through YouTube tutorials

Best of luck anon, constancy is the key ! Never give upppppp

OP here, won't be awake to make a new thread. Remember to delete the (embed)s when you're copying and pasting. Font for the "/asp/" is Arial Bold. Bump the new thread a few times and don't let it die.

>>15700184
How long did it take you to cut the character + learn how to rig it? I wanna know how much time I should expect to invest too!! Thank you btw. Good luck!!

>>15700673

>1 week to draw and separate
>about 3 weeks to rigg

>>15700978
I'm also a draw fag and seeing as I've done almost no animation before, I think it was the rigging that made me choose vroid instead. Maybe one day I'll attempt live2d but damn.

>>15700978
>>15701109
I've done rigging before for animation but not live2D so I'm curious how it'll go. Thanks for the info though!

Also rigging isn't as intimidating as you think it is imo though it's definitely tedious

>>15701109
I had no background in animation before this.
I'd suggest taking a week even before you open L2D to learn the fundamentals of the program. It made it alot less daunting if you understand what your stepping into

>>15701230
Do I need a good pc to run live2D?

>>15611648
youre unironically the best aspie ive seen thus far. good voice, good mic quality, good model, not cringe. u are gonna make it.

>>15701487
I too am curious about this. My comp is pretty strong but even vroid sometimes freezes on me.

>>15701487
You need decent PC otherwise It'll chug.

Specs are here/

https://www.live2d.com/en/