/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

males dominate the top streamers. it's only natural.

>>15668867
Literally making NijiEN borderline unwatchable. Such a shame because they were inclining so hard creatively mogging HoloEN until these faggots came in. No I don't want to hear a male interacting and flirting with my oshi fuck right off.

>>15669107
We kept telling you holofags that niji doesn't cater to unicorns, its your own fault for not listening .

>>15669107
It's crazy how Hololive turned the West into puritans, males collabing was never a problem in Japan

>>15668867
Real men don't use twatter

I mean obviously yeah but it’s also their first voice pack

>>15669107
They're not idol, stop call them oshi

>>15668867
contrary to what nijisisters might want you to believe, females are irrelevant in nijisanji they're just accessories for the males.

Eventually the community will start trying to bully the female NijiEN livers. You should've listened. When the next wave of females come and one of them collabs with Vox, we'll have a repeat of Lain's harassment.

>>15669311
It was you dumb fuk

>>15669107
Holoincel having a meltdown, must be a Saturday

>>15669437
Yeah bro it was totally because of male collabs that Lain has antis haha it's not like it was Leos that had to apologize for his comments towards her and Eden gumi collabs have always been really well received or anything

Hey Holofags, I just want to let you know that the majority of every female vtuber's audience is male. Your oshi is constantly interacting with males, receives money from males, and even plays games with males.

>>15669311
>males collabing was never a problem in Japan
Are you retarded? Where do you think idol unicorns and general idolfags come from?

>>15669575
Idolfags and unicorns are two different beasts entirely. Idolfags came from idols.

>>15668867
This was expected. Nijisanji fans don't watch female vtubers. I really kind of feel sorry for the fans of NijiEN before Luxiem. Your girls are going to become more and more irrelevant and ignored just like the NijiJP girls. Can't say we didn't try to warn you though.

>>15669640
I thought you guys said they would be failures because nobody wants western male VTubers.

And that's a good thing. We finally got a wave that has decent numbers for once.

>>15669311
>males collabing was never a problem in Japan
If you are referring to Nijisanji collabs, sure, it isn't much of a problem NOW but look at the low viewership that Niji females get. It isn't a problem now because all the people who want to watch cute girls doing cute things without males ruining that dynamic already moved to Hololive. The Dodgeball incident was what really started the exodus of Nijisanji fans to Hololive fans.

>>15669690
It’s quite fun ny to see holofags and even HoloEN themselves backpedaling now

>>15669714
And now you have Pakora, Matsuri The Hand, Watame Mukkun, Council where the majority of them have boyfriends, etc and you will soon be getting holostarsEN as well. Where will you run to now?

>ITT: NijiENfags acting like they're not Holobronies themselves

>>15669690
>/vt/ is a single entity

>>15669107
Holobrony meltdowns are always fun.

Hololive is for right wingers
Ninijisanji is for left wingers
There will never be peace between the fanbases and it sucks

>>15668867
I feel like the males have killed off even more potential for the girls to sell gfe voice packs, only Pomu and Selen’s merch sells well while Finana and Petra…

>>15669387
>stop call them
hello to you too eslchama

>>15670087
Pomu and Selen's merch has always sold the best out of the girls. Even when it was just Lazulight, Finana couldn't sell out her voice packs.

>>15670107
That’s what happens when you don’t create a dedicated fanbase of gachikoi

>>15668867
Interesting how they made them separate.
Also 5 of the 10 girls pictures don't even have any voices. It's only Pomu, Selen, Rosemi, Petra and Reimu. The others only have boring poster merch and some cheap badges.
Meanwhile the guys all have multiple voices.
https://nijisanji-store.com/collections/new-year-2022/products/new-year-voice-2022-group-a
https://nijisanji-store.com/collections/new-year-2022/products/new-year-voice-2022-group-b
Not that surprised the guys do better this way.

I can't believe mentally ill normalfags are already majority.

>>15670172
I don't really think the people buying handsome anime boy vtuber voice lines for 50 dollars can be considered "normalfags"

>>15670231
Normalfags and mentally ill are the same at this point.

>>15670231
It’s either teenage girls or ugly ass old women

>>15670163
OH NO NO NO NO NO

NIJICORNS, THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING, THE GAYS OVERTOOKING US IN TERMS OF MERCHS!

>>15669107
More like more watchable. I was beginning to fall off with the 3rd wave of girls (just a little). Nina works well with the boys.

>>15670163
>The girls and boys are separate
Good point. What happened Nijikeks? I thought you didn't care about male/female collabs? You shouldn't mind if the voice pack has Pomu talking to Vox about how she loves his big cock while kissing and embracing him right? Nijikeks are supposed to love that kind of stuff.

What happened?

>>15668867
If you are a man or female idolfag, watch hololive
If you are a woman or gay, watch manjisanji

Omegatranny must be seething right now looking at the numbers and knowing HoloEN is still doing great yet they're basically stuck on a corner in the vtuber market.

>>15670444
I’m starting to unironically believe this

>>15670231
women like spending money

>>15670387
>Oh you don't care if men and women interact? That means you're literally masturbating to the idea of the talents fucking right?
The absolute state.
The merch is separated by sex because they're aimed at different demographics, simple as.

>>15670444
If you're bi and based, then watch both

>>15670444
whenever i argue with nijifags i always wonder if they're females.

>>15670634
They are no females here.

>>15670634
There are no females here.

>>15670715
I am one

>>15670508
>The merch is separated by sex because they're aimed at different demographics, simple as.
It does make some sense. But I don't remember them doing this for NijiJP like with the Valentines or June Bride voice lines.
Those were split into some random mixed gender groups like usual. And "June Bride" voice lines would make a lot more sense to be split by gender than anything else.

I like the fact that half the fanbase is female now. It feels nice

>>15670868
NijiEN hasn't had a mixed sex wave as of yet like NijiJP has. When mixed sex waves are inevitably introduced they'll most likely begin to sell voice packs in the same fashion.

>>15669575
Latin America, South East Asia and some fuck up place in Fat Land.

>>15669107
Keep seething holocel

>>15669929
Always were, kinda amusing how many refused to accept that a lot of them came from HoloEN and still remained with them and came to NijiEN because they were only more cute girls like they liked.

>>15668867
Males will always mog females when it comes to entertainment, this only didn't happened in Hololive/Holostars because Cover sabotaged their own male branch.

>>15670163
Pomu and Reimu are so poorly shopped in.
Didn't at least bother with lighting.

Did they not want to just make a new illustration? Could it have been a last minute addition?

>>15671493
that's the ones with a voice pack
they just bunched them up for the illustration to indicate those have a voice pack available
however, as you can see, they are all illustrated wave by wave with Obsydia having clearly the same lightning and colors

>>15669996
Of course it is. It's a holoboard

>>15671184
I've never once followed a hololive EN member, I have and always has been a full Nijifag with the occasional HoloJP and 774Inc. You will find that EOP clipwatchers were the ones that was most interested in NijiEN.

>>15669575
Sure, for idols. But faggots deciding "vtuber = idol so they have to follow idol rules even if they are vocal about not being an idol" is EOP nonsense.

>>15671623
Thought this was the numbers board

>>15668867
Fujos always win.

>>15671623
Holoboard more like HoloBORED!

>>15670067
I think you have things mixed up, only a hardcore leftist feminazi would be triggered by males simply existing, let alone doing better than females.

>>15672011
Nijisanji is filled with SJW whores while HoloEN is filled with red pilled right wingers.

>>15669929
I'm not above watching Hololive, and I've got no problem with Holofans who are normal about it. I feel perfectly content thinking I'm better than unicorns though (not that it's hard, a pile of cow shit would be better too).

>>15670163
on one hand the girls had a special voice set before this
on the other why wouldnt they make a special one for new year? do they not want money?

>>15672048
You can't actually believe this

>>15670231
femcels spend money

>>15670163
>Interesting how they made them separate.
>The merch is separated by sex because they're aimed at different demographics, simple as.
It's just split into "Luxiem" (together because it's their first VP set, presumably) and "Not-Luxiem". It's not like the advertising said "Here's the MALE voice pack and the FEMALE voice pack".

>>15672048
HoloEN hired Kiara and Kronii.
Nijisanji hired Rosemi, who has made "build the wall" jokes on stream before.

>>15669407
Yeah, women are just arm candy in niji, much like how it goes for normal streamers.

>>15672048
every single girl in both corporations is left leaning, you retard

I'd unironically watch some niji girls over some holo girls if they interacted. but since niji cant interact with my favorite holo girls I just dont have the time to invest in watching them I imagine theres some more fans like me so that brings niji girls down a little. The niji males on the other hand are a new experience while I wont watch they do bring something new to the western vtubersphere as first big corpo male wave so I can see why they get great pull while nijiEN girls are just another girls vtuber branch of a big notCover corp.

wtf i'm a faggot now

NijisanjiEN is now for women and fags. As if watching vTubers didnt already come with enough of a bad rap. Sad to see it end up this way.

>>15670866
Post your hand

>>15672011
Feminists are fucking weird. They won't just ally with the straight cis males who support Hololive.

>>15672294
Miko followed Donald Trump on twitter

this is NijiEN future, looks like virtual hentai group, wake up before it's too late anon

>>15672594
And Polka's old persona would follow and agree with Trump on twitter.

>>15672594
yeah because he's funny american president not because she agrees with his ideas, and trump isn't some hardcore trad fascist in the first place

>>15672623
Just looking at it makes me vomit

>>15672623
i will use debi as a onahole and make ange watch it while standing on Lulus grave

>>15672623
god i want to fuck mito

>>15672623
I wanna fuck all of them

>>15672623
if you send that picture to your weebs friend who doesn't watch vtuber, he'll think it's a hentai series

>>15672623
Sex!

>>15672231
I never cared to watch nortmal streamers so I wouldn't know honestly

>>15672623
Rin!

>>15669311
Are you retarded? No one except /vt/ schizos cares about females collabing with males. Seriously check literally any other English language vtuber community.

>>15672623
But that's exactly why I watch them.

>>15673323
It's true. People have been begging for EN corpo males for well over a year and that includes collabs. Hell, the first response to NijiEN was "Where are the boys???"

>>15672623
Genres :
Hentai, Gangbang, Orgy, Monster, Oldman, Furries, Dark Skin, Ugly Bastard

>>15668867
Not for nothing, but the dudes look really cool in their picture.

>>15672623
sucks that the dog is a female, such a waste of doujin potential.

>>15670387
Are you fucking retarded?

>>15673323
Not denying that the people who dislike male collabs are the minority, but other than here where else would they even be able post? On Reddit you will definitely get downvoted and deleted and the discords are probably the same thing.
You can sometimes find some of those people complaining on something like twitter hashtags or YT comments though.

>>15668867
NIjiEN staff are way more comfortable with male sex appeal, than female sex appeal.

>>15671184
I quit being Holofan just after holoEN debut because i bored of watching women and i hate the idea of English branch, after almost 8 month of stop watching vtuber stuff i find belmond clip and try to watch it (you know, i also hate the idea of male vtuber because Holofan say shit About them, but they turn out to be as entertaining and funny to watch) and never watch any holo, idk what you try to "own" here
t.ESL

>>15673608
>NIjiEN staff are way more comfortable with male sex appeal
gay

>>15669107
your alternative is to learn jp
holoEN is dogshit. idk about vshojo but they are all girls, except the tranny dragon

>>15668867
This just means HoloEN's version will be the most popular VTubers in the world. Just think about it. Shame Cover won't give a fuck about them after debut though.

>>15669107
Just stick with VShojo or indies. They'll incline hard enough thanks to the YT crackdown on bots.

>>15669714
Other way around after Coco's graduation and Cover turning into a black company entirely. Also
>>15669881

>>15669929
Anything is better than a unicorn.
>>15670067
Other way around.

>>15670172
Always have been

Pomu was right all along...they're trying to force her out

>>15670634
>females
>on 4chan
>watching VTubers
Good one

>>15668867
To be fair, the Luxiem poster looks fucking amazing compared to the girls' posters.
My oshi is one of the girls and even I'd go for the boys' poster.

>>15671292
Most correct take in this thread. VTubing was not for otaku anyways. It was just a virtual form of streaming that's alternative towards conventional streaming. Leave it to sheltered idolfags to believing it was lel

>>15671623
Hololive isn't even 15% of the catalog anymore lol

>>15674732
>hololive's presence on the catalog diminishing
>/hlgg/ has been below 50% postrate for months now
>new indie and small company threads coming up and staying every week
In time, even Hololive will be a Myth.

>>15674732
Not much to talk about since they're so successful and relatively drama free. It's amazing what happens when your corp is ran like a corp and not a collection of amateurs like nijisanji.

>>15674875
>they're so successful and relatively drama free
DYRB

>>15674923
Let them believe in it anon. Keep them jn the illusion they are trapped in

>>15674732
You say this but then you'll cry for Hololive's containment board whenever something happens. Maybe I'd rather have a Hololive board instead of /vt/. Sharing with /wvt/ trash was already bad enough.

>>15674732
Holo streams must be so uneventful for them that they have to talk about another company.

>>15671292
>>15674690
Based af, VTubing is and always will be just another way to expressing oneself during streams, only VTubers who explicitly state they are idols can be treated as such

>>15675105
I doubt they care. 4chan has always hated Holo anyways so it's only natural the resident populace found solace in indies and what is seemingly more Japanese than Hololive to begin with.

>>15675105
Shits really dry lately even with the new gen. They're great but it doesn't bring anything new.

>>15674923
Yes actually at least in past several months I would say compared to every other major chuuba group.

>>15672623
Mashiro and Masaru are the only ones worth watching.

>>15674732
there is more hololive shit than anything else in the catalog. you made me happy for 5 seconds

>>15669527
>Lain ships Lauren and Axia
>NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST MOLEST YOUR DEBUTMATES LIKE THAT I'M GONNA DISLIKE BOOOOOOMB
>Reimu ships Vox and Mysta
>So based, of course I'll draw yaoi for you Reimu.

>>15669311
Don't tell the holofags their "idols" were collabing with males before any of them were popular

>>15676328
Doesn't matter. What matters is what they do during their time as holos.
And during that time I'm not interested in seeing them stream with men.

>>15673479

( ͡ಠ ʖ̯ ͡ಠ)

I gotta make a swastika with the nijisanji pacman on it for every time someone types manjisanji.

>>15678187
>What matters is what they do during their time as holos.
He meant during their time as Holos, just when Hololive was smaller.

>>15672048
Reminder that Mori support literal trannies.

>>15669575
Holos were collabing with males all the time before 3rd gen.

>>15669527
>vtuber has antis
>news at 11
oh wow

>>15678567
I like this one desu

>>15670979
>inevitably
dyrbi

Male vtubers are cringe and niji tribalists will continue to pretend like mixed gender is a good thing while their fanbase is overrun by fujos and homosexuals

>>15680259
Go back to 5ch

>>15680319
I thought japs loved nijisanji

>>15680319
Struck a nerve I see

>>15670087
Are you stupid? A lot of JP voice packs are GFE/BFE as fuck, how would this prevent GFE EN packs.

>>15680518
Would you really be able to invest yourself in GFE if you know she is hanging out with other dudes? I mean, I guess cuckolding is a fetish but most people aren't into that.

>>15669466
>>15670042
>>15671165
>>15674108
>Talks about Nijis
>Idiots reply with something Holo related
The rent will always remain free for losers.

>>15678567
Every time I read it I wish Bandai Namco would hire me to be the Yoshimitsu chuuba

>>15680626
I sincerely hope you never, ever have any sort of romantic partner.

>>15680259
And Hololive's fanbase is filled with /u/schizos and homosexuals, pick your poison.

>>15671123
retard

Idolfags can just fuck off. Mass suicide when?

I posted this in another thread and you can laugh at me if you want, but these recent events have destroyed my enjoyment of NijiEN, which is a shame since all the girls found their footing and groove. I'm willing to bet my ass many of you guys know what I'm talking about here.

>I simply ended my membership to Rosemi and Petra. I'm reminded of my teenage outings when I'd end up being the guy with a drink in his hand, quietly sipping and nodding his head while the more popular girls and boys talk to each other and I'm just there because I'm friends with this or that guy in the group, so I can't leave without it turning into a kind of scene but I have fuck all reason to be there so I just watch them all flirt with each other while counting the seconds away and thinking about how much rather I'd be home alone watching Sailor Moon. That's what watching Nijisanji feels like. And I don't like it. I didn't want to remember this shit.

I admit that this has fully filtered me. I don't have anything against the guys, but they should've been their own separate thing and they'd be popular with the female fans.

>>15682471
there's no need. We will always be catered to and so we'll never have a reason to kill ourselves.
So long as someone wants to be an oshi, idolfags will always have power

>>15682650
100%

This is why I'm against the concept of male vtubers in general and think they should not exist.

Nijisan has always been filled with Fujos, even in JP the males mog the females by a large margin

>>15682650
I think the only thing more pathetic than posting this is posting it twice.

>>15682650
Thank you for the permission to laugh

>>15682793
But then I wouldn't have Ike to thirst for and would be stuck with just Mumei, Calli, and Haachama :( anon is so inconsiderate

>>15682827
I cannot for the life of me understand why Luxiem has been such a shock to the English-speaking Nijisanji fans on this board

>>15682827
No, there's only a few males who do very well and there are far more females than males.

>>15682834
I'm just the first to post how many probably feel but either aren't on /vt/ or can't put it into words.

>>15682842
You can laugh as much as you want. But that doesn't mean I'll be watching their content anymore.

>>15680376
Yes

>>15682890
I think/hope it's like 90% shitposting and falseflagging just because it's a big debut

>>15682655
IdolCHADS always win brother, we always win

>>15683019
it's ok anon I understand
don't expect nijiniggers to empathize with you
they are all women now and incapable of doing so

>>15681808
Hololives fanbase is straight males

>>15682650
Go back to love live.

>>15682655
You don’t even like idols

>>15683139
schizophrenic penis hates calling others trannies is such delicious irony

>>15683188
Being unable to enjoy male streamers and hanging with the boys makes you either a closet homosexual that gets uncomfortably aroused doing so, or a tranny who wants to fit in as "one of the girls"

>>15683019
>>15682650
Guys don't laugh at this brave anon he just admitted that he feels cucked simply watching youtube streams, I feel bad for NTR addicts, and for people who think going to parties and not being talked to is some sort of major trauma that everyone should kneel to. Your poor addled mind.

>>15683188
Kiara's streams would suggest otherwise.

>>15683113
Nijisanji is an idol company too and has a lot of groups. The only difference is that Nijisanji's is more applicable for the ancient meaning of idol while others would use it in the modern Japanified meaning of idol.
Tsukino Mito, Higuchi Kaede Kenmochi Touya, Shizuka Rin, Kuzuha, Kanae, Fuwa Minato, Kagami Hayato, Hoshikawa Sara, Kanda Shoichi, Gundou Mirei, Dola, Yashiro Kizuku, Hanabatake Chaika etc... are all idols. So all in all, gassing idolfags is a moot point because chuubas themselves are considered idols.

>>15683301
I enjoy male streamers, I just dont enjoy male vtubers because they literally exist to pander to homosexuals and fujos, in the same way female vtubers exist to pander to straight males

>>15682650
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
They weren't your friends when it was all women anyway, loser. All that's changed is you've realized how sad you already were.

>>15683333
If we're using ancient meanings of words, all VTubers act gay on stream. It's the modern day, fag. The Nijisanji VTubers themselves deny being idols aside from the ones specifically marketed as such. They aren't employed under an idol agency. Gwelu is fucking married with a child.

>>15682890
Because most of those people were just clipfags who never actually cared about Nijisan's main branch, and only started freaking out because they can actually understand the members now.

>>15683235
All of these people are fucking based as fuck. What's the problem?

>>15680626
I wouldn’t

>>15683376
Just because Luxiem started off with a bunch of boring fags doesn't mean that Maimoto, Rikiichi, Yashiro, Chaika and Belmond don't exist. Although unfortunately I doubt there will ever be male EN chuubas like that

>>15683542
vtubing is just inherently feminine, any dude streaming with a cartoon avatar is wierd even if they arent pandering

>>15683503
Indeed brother. I'm going to pour out a nice dram for the both of us. Cheers to the NijiEN girls we used to love but can no longer watch because they are now just some dudes onahole.

Former Pomudachi signing off

>>15683542
>Maimoto, Rikiichi, Yashiro, Chaika and Belmond
Ok clipfag, tell me who's watching these guys other than Yashiro, and tell me what about them do you find entertaining other than 3D and Joe's singing.

>>15683542
Belmond is boring as fuck dude lol you just like his design

>>15683437
The old definition of idol is literally: a person or thing that is greatly admired, loved, or revered. Faggots only started to use that for specific subset of singer/dancer stars afterwards. Therefore, Nijisanji and most chuubas in general are idols.
You cannot convince me otherwise

>>15683542
You could not name the contents of a single Joe stream

>>15683649
He's chill and a cool ojisan. I can only find cool ojisans streaming in Nijisanji and other independent chuubas

>>15683663
Yes, the old definition. In the modern day, we use modern definitions of words. If we're to start using old-timey definitions of words might I add that you're molesting me quite a bit right now.

>>15683269
I didn't mention anything about trannies
Why do you feel called out?

>>15683649
THANK YOU!! Finally somebody else said it. No vtuber is carried more by his design than this guy. Even then he isn't that carried by it and its just reputation. His viewership sucks, he can't sing, he can't talk, he can't play games. He fucking sucks.

>>15683610
So /vt/ was a pomucorn den after all

>>15683743
Clearly the difference between "chill" and "boring" to you is totally reliant on character design

>>15683743
Then why the fuck are you bringing him up when saying Luxiem is boring, he is one of the most boring guys saved only by the fact that he's nice to everyone and his fanbase treat him as a surrogate dad

>>15683053
I wish I believed this, but the best I can do is 60/40 shitposting and genuine posting

>>15683760
It's still a definition that's widely used.

>>15683858
the thing is almost none of the extra schizo posts ever actually have any kind of details that suggest the poster has ever watched a stream it's just shit regurgitated from threads

>>15683832
That and that his ojisan topics like horse race betting, old Western movies, manga and whatnot actually interests me so that's a plus for me. If you can recommend me more ojisans who talk about such topics, please feel free to give them to me, there's not enough ojisan chuubas.
>>15683844
I'm not the one who's bringing him up. I'm just telling people why I watch him lmao.

>>15683998
>Ojisan topics
Unironically Sakura Miko, lol.

>>15683914
I've been a member to both Rosemi and Petra since day one. I really don't see how or why anyone can prove anything to you. The simple fact remains that this has and will filter out a lot of people and that Nijisanji has effectively thrown their girls under the bus, since now they'll just be accessories to the males but have a much smaller fanbase of their own. Their numbers will crater during January and February. Pay attention and you'll see it happen.

>>15684102
Have you considered that you're not actually speaking for the voiceless many and instead are the minority?

>>15684102
>Nijisanji has effectively thrown their girls under the bus, since now they'll just be accessories to the males but have a much smaller fanbase of their own
How so? They get their own merch, they do their own streams and have their own things going on. They even have new costumes coming up, if rumors are to be believed.

>>15684048
Admittedly, I haven't actually watched anything from her. What does she do, what does she talk about?

>>15682650
The classic incel mindset that if two people of different sex are talking they must be flirting, that's why you're ngmi

>>15684367
You can't seriously be this naive can you?

>>15682650
If you're still here anon, the only thing I'd want to ask you is this: Using the same analogy/memory you gave:
>You're at a party standing in a corner by yourself while all the popular girls stand in their own little circle chatting away and laughing with one another, and none of them approach you or you aren't able to join in since you don't really know any of them.
This is basically what the all-girl collabs were, so how is this any better of a scenario to find yourself in? No matter what gender you're watching you'll always be competing for the streamer's attention with the collab partners, this is on top of competing for their attention with every other member of chat. Plus I don't even want to get into the section of fans that want their oshis to be a lesbo which would all but guarantee you'll never have a chance. I won't say you shouldn't end your memberships since that's your choice, but why not watch the solo streams exclusively?

The actual fact is that none of the people who have claimed to have "dropped" nijisanji en because of Luxiem were actual members of the girls. I'm speaking as your average NijiENfag here, none of these fags bought the girls merch, they don't superchat and they weren't membered, but you know what? That's fine, because they weren't needed whatsoever.

>>15684102
>be accessories to the males
Why give away that you're just baiting like this?

>>15684540
>Randon
Fucking based orc

>>15684540
Holy BTFO

>>15684272
Unicorns believe that the majority of the fans are, like them, so low self-esteem that the presence of another man around the woman they've decided is their pretend girlfriend causes physical discomfort in them.
If this were the case then yes, the males debuting would kill their own fanbases and leave them stranded as the males rise. Good thing it isn't, and he's just a schizo.

>>15684540
So not only are you watching the girls flirt with dudes but you are also giving them money to do so? That is super cringe bro.

I wonder how all of these unicorns would feel if it turned out their faves really were just men with voice changers

>>15684540
The girls got a boost from the guys, Petra having 1k during a fucking COLLAB should have been proof but all the supposed experts on Nijisanji EN have no idea what's actually going on.

>>15684192
If you haven't figured it out by now the vast majority of people only lurk and never post or chat.

>>15684272
>How so?
There will be no audience for them.

>>15684367
Okay, I'll run with your rrat. Now explain to me why on earth should I, as a man, watch other men? Why would I watch them having fun with this or that girl while I'm the third wheel, who at best might get a chuckle with a chat comment or SC, which in turn would only add to their enjoyment but not to mine or my fellow fans in the chat? When a male is present we, the audience, are the third wheel. And nobody likes being the third wheel. The whole appeal of vtubers is the chuuba - chat interaction. Add a male and the balance is gone, we are just passive observers of a guy and a girl interacting, ergo the third wheel. The ones prepping the bull, if you will.

I didn't even want to go there, but Petra is so obviously horny for her male collabs that it's incredibly jarring. Seriously, this filtered me completely. I'm just not going to watch. I'm not going to become her anti or shit on her, but I didn't sign up for any of this or wanted it. It was thrust (sic) upon me and I reject it. So I will simply leave and stop watching her and Niji, which I have done. That's enough for me. And like I said before - you'll see the girls hemorrhage numbers and viewership, because for every anti or sperg who will shitpost here there's ten guys who'll just quietly leave.

>>15684761
>If you haven't figured it out by now the vast majority of people only lurk and never post or chat.
Viewership has increased overall since Luxiem debut.

>>15669107
but anon... their girlfriends mod their chat

>>15684761
>There will be no audience for them
But there is currently and that audience doesn't show signs of going away.

>>15684640
No different than paying to watch romance movies Giving money to e-girls and pretends they're your girlfriend are more cringe dude.

>>15684640
I am. I'm giving them my money as my support because I am entertained and I like their content. No I will not apologize for hurting your feelings.

>>15684833
Cuck

>>15684761
To any Holofriends here who don"t understand this shitposting, Petra is anti unicorn and doesn't do GFE. She's even said people who do nothing but watch vtubers all day are cringe lol

>>15684833
>I am. I'm giving them my money as my support because I am entertained and I like their content. No I will not apologize for hurting your feelings.

>>15684791
>>15684804
Those are just the people who watch the men. Like I said - the girls will just be accessories to the guys and their own fanbase will quietly melt away.

>>15684915
So despite your delusions running counter to reality you are still adamant that you're correct?

>>15684761
That entire third wheel argument can be applied to any collab regardless of gender though? If you saying you don't like when another party comes in and directs the streamer's attention away from the chat then just don't watch collabs?

>>15684856
>Cuck

>>15684915
>Those are just the people who watch the men
The fact that the girls get views on their POVs of male collabs instead of the males would suggest otherwise, not to mention the fact that their chats are filled with members.

>>15684540
Based Orc Salaryman enjoyer

>>15684474
anon, I talk to women what I don't want to stick my penis into often, there's a clear difference in approach

>>15684977
Pay attention to the numbers during January and February and you'll see I was right. I'm just the first to call it.

>>15684992
It doesn't apply to all female collabs because of obvious reasons. Everything negative I've said about male collabs is a positive in all female collabs, since in that case you're making two or more girls and the chat laugh and giving them (potentially) more material to work with if a joke makes them think of other jokes or gives them an idea for further topics etc. etc.

>>15684833
Prep the bull then. I don't get it but it's your money.

>>15685078
>chats are filled with members
You realize it takes a month for your membership to actually end after you cancel it right?

>>15685148
So what you're saying is these people who are active in chats as members singing praises are actually secretly bored of the chuuba and in the process of cancelling their memberships?

>>15685133
Either the women you talk to are really fucking ugly or you are asexual. Biologically what you stated isn't possible.

>>15685179
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. A good portion of the fanbase cancelled after they started flirting with men.

>>15685184
You want to stick your dick into every old hag you interact with?

>>15685231
Surely it would be easier for them simply to not watch the VTuber or comment in their chats if they were no longer interested in them, after all of the nonexistent flirting that tired them so.

>>15684761
>There will be no audience for them.
woe is hskw and her 4k average viewers

>>15685231
Riiight and you have statistics to back that up?

>>15684714
No shit, how is that any different from what other anons said about being accessories to guys? If Kuzuha collabs with any Niji girl, that girl is getting a boost. The problem is whether or not that boost is beneficial and those fans will stick around vs the potential loss of gachis/unicorn viewers who get grossed out by male collabs.

>>15684791
Yeah, for the males, Finana is dead.

>>15684871
Nice oshi you got there cucks. Why the fuck is this ethot even streaming as a vtuber then? Is she that fucking ugly that she has to resort to being a vtuber when she'd rather be an ethot?

>>15685179
I watched Rosemi's new intro and liked it, but then I heard a man and went away. Yes, it takes a month for the membership to run out. I even left a comment in the chat. Again:

January, February - the erosion of numbers for the girls as the entire focus shifts to the men. The girls are now just accessories and not "NijiEN" that has existed so far. They are now at best a sideshow. My guess is that Nijisanji wanted to be the first to fill the male EN niche for profits and kinda do what Hololive did with Myth in the EN speaking world. They succeeded, and the girls are no longer relevant to them.

Watch and you will see everything I said is the truth.

>>15685348
You sure are angry that not everyone watches VTubers for the same reasons as you. Might be best to leave before any more sand gets wedged up your vagina.

>>15685348
>Finana is dead
yeah because all she's been playing is kusoge, gacha, and longform stuff like yakuza
elira & rosemi have more viewers now split between 5 collab POVs than they did streaming solo a month ago.

>>15685363
So you left a single comment and went byebye after hearing a male. Assuming others share your mindset, why would they be active the entire stream, not leaving after hearing a dreaded penis-having voice?
I'll keep an eye on the supposed future commodification of the girls. I'm sure it'll happen, just like when everyone swore there was no audience for EN male VTubers.

>>15685375
Cope and seethe tranny/cuck. I don't even watch Nijifags, I just like reminding you that you guys are either homos or cucks.

>>15685392
Sounds like cope to me. Vod views for the girls have been practically the same based off what I've seen.

Why do you watch Nijisanji. You knew the male wave was coming months in advance. Did you think Nijisanji was going to pull a Holostars?

>>15684540
Chad entertainment viewer

>>15685475
You're really typing this out and convincing yourself that I'm the one seething. Holy projection, Batman.

>>15685252
Obviously being a functional member of society prevents me from actually doing that but basic biology makes sure I think about it every time.

Imagine spending your year end leave to tribalniggering on /vt/, watch streams faggots.

>>15685480
Most of the people complaining never watched them to begin with. It's just easy to shitpost about men in vtubing on /vt/

>>15685542
Basic biology should make it so that you don't find post-menopause women sexually viable whatsoever.

>>15685537
Cope anon. I'm a numberfag, so of course I follow numbers. Just cause numbers make you Nijifags see red, isn't going to make me stop posting. If anything, it'll just make me post more numbers.

>>15685562
>Holo streams boring as shit
>Niji streams have men
Vtubing really died out that fast in the west huh?

>>15685596
I thought numberfags were supposed to actually post data and charts, you know, numbers.

So EN Nijimales are a success and EN Nijifemoids are a failure?

>>15685653
The numbers they track are all made up.

>>15685976
It's more like the moment all the girls have learned valuable and hard lessons fighting an uphill battle Niji shat on them and us and threw all that away to get the fujo and gay audience while nerfing their own girls by forcing them to collab with males.

>>15685976
If you're gonna consider the girls a failure then only 2 males are successful. Vox and Mysta. Not to mention that the girls get way more in SCs

>>15685976
It's more like men are always better at women at doing anything aside from porn

>>15686101
Nobody forced any of the girls to collab with the guys, unless you're claiming impromptu Discord calls are all totally scripted. Nothing points towards this impacting their views either.

>>15669704
>debut stream cant even reach 20k
>the rest has below 10k
these numbers are decently embarrassing

>>15686775
least brainrotted holobrony

>>15686775
they're pretty impressive for a brand that's actually earned their success instead of piggybacking off virality and fad chasing

>>15672629
this is one of the funniest vtuber tweets for me
something about hearing her say "YEAH" in that voice of hers
cracks me up like nothing else

>>15669311
male collabs still aren't the problem, see : Fubuki, Towa
but flirty dynamic during said collabs is not going to be liked by a big part of your audience, who watches you to escape that shit irl

>>15669714
Nijisanji female viewership peaked way after the dodgeball rrats, no?

>>15682650
guarantee you every single poster laughing at this anon is a woman or a tr*nny

>>15682890
I think part of it is because they expected them to stream during NA hours.

>>15684540
ManjisanjiJP caused the girls to recline there, it will do the same in EN
Lulu and Gibara were two of the biggest streamers in japan before Manjisanji took over, now theyre retired

>>15683301
> not enjoying watching two men sucking each other's cocks means you must be actually gay
stop projecting your gaslight fantasies, faggot

>>15690900
Nigga what the fuck are saying? kek

>>15690764
It did, but February 2020 when the dodgeball stuff happened was when niji females separated in a negative direction from the males. It looks like it did some damage viewership-wise.

>>15684102
>member to both Rosemi and Petra
post it faggot, or else you're just as much of a clipwatcher as the rest of the trash here

>>15684640
I respect him more than faggots like you who think someone paying their own money for perceived entertainment as "cringe"

>>15691051
Not really? Looking at the graph it seems like it was pretty insignificant, not to mention that males were already at an upwards trend before that.

>>15685252
>doesn't like hags
alright I was with you until there but you're definitely not a straight male

>>15682650
Didn't read, don't care. All I want in life is to suck Ike's cock

>>15691195
Shh... Ignore the fact that Hoshikawa, the main mastermind of dodgeball drastically incline after that.

>>15690658
Fox Demon has unironic flirting and nobody cares.

>>15669714
>Dodgeball incident
qrd?

>>15670067
you dumb fucking american /pol/tard get the fuck out

>>15692586
A bunch of them met up and played dodgeball, then 5ch made rrats about them having sex and shit. For some reason anons here bring it up sometimes as the reason why nijifemales aren't as popular as the female holos, but the data shows that they female nijis actually had inclines later on. Maybe it's just one autist trying to spread his rrat, who knows?

>>15669107
Based anon based

>>15692806
>the data shows that they female nijis actually had inclines later on
Yes, but less than they would have in world without dodgeball. Just because they rode the 2020 covid buff to a new peak like everyone else doesn't mean it didn't cause harm.

>>15682650
based anon... i feel for ya

>>15693226
How would you come to that conclusion after seeing the data which shows that for years now female nijis were stagnant while the males and female holos had big inclines? Seems like their growth was pretty much as expected

>>15668867
nijiID and Niji JP are better im tired of seeing mysta cringe

>>15693376
Big incline from EOP and ESL tourist. Do you fucking think tourist know about Dodgeball offpako let alone Nijisanji? Not to mention all Nijisanji especially Hoshikawa drastically inclined after that. How can you explain that nigger?

>>15690797
Men don't hate other men that much. Trannies do, otherwise they wouldn't have cut their dick off.

>>15693605
You responded to the wrong post I think

>>15672623
No wonder Nijisanji has better r34 than Hololive

>>15692364
> he doesn't even watch CLIPS much less streams

>>15669107
>this is the true power of people of anycolor

>>15675254
That is why niji and other vtuber companies collab with people outside of vtuber circle all the time, it brings more fresh content, hololive will be stagnant very soon

>>15690797
>s-s-stop laughing at me…you TRANNY
Have a life, brother.

>>15682890
What do you think when we have nijisanji defense force in every thread on this board now? they never have genuine fans on here defend them up until nijiEN debut.

>>15682650
>>15669107
This, I fully switched to Kawaii after the male debut, no regret. They are comfy and go all out with GFE pandering

>>15669575
You should thank a certain Motoaki Tanigou for bringing that cancer to chuuba industry.