/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

Marine already higher than her PekoMarine minecraft collab in 5 minutes.
Not much overlap right now tho.

>>15659682
This is her stream following up on the chart she diud back in 2021, it got something like 50k ccv back then.

>>15659682
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/T2yMNE_zb54
So far, the growth is not that much lower compared to last time

https://mobile.twitter.com/tsuki_nonono/status/1477239296738267141

Another HoloArtist getting work from Niji. They really want the clout from Hololive by commissioning their artists.

>>15659682
Last year she did have 40k+ on this type of stream if im not mistaken.

>>15659325
>https://twitter.com/NemunokiVVV/status/1477230033580466184?t=ut-Mb7wD8OIkF5RDPBky8A&s=19
>Do you guys still care about King? Here are his hours streamed a month for his entire career.
Idol route killed another one, didn't it? The thing is
>he's not even a good singer!

I watched his part yesterday, Choco tier

>>15659815
She did, but her growth rate isn't that far behind what she achieved back then

Does anyone know the average percentage for voting in twitch???

>>15659812
Good for the artists out there getting work. 2nd, this mean that hololive is super popular in that artists cirle on twitter/pixiv.

were there any numbers from comiket posted here?

>>15659886
50% is great

Today Chloe got 3.85 millions yen SC and 7k members.

>>15659812
Nothing wrong with that, they are freelancer.

>>15659886
20-30% is about the usual rate

>>15659871
Marine didnt participate in the 2021 kara relay, a good sample to observe

>>15659906
Outside of ones showing ANYCOLOR's fuckup?

>>15659812
>check previous fanart
>bunch of Rosemi, Petra and other NijiENs
That doesn't look like a Holo-only artist to me

>>15659906
Other than this one? Not really

>>15659886
Literally never ever 100%. 50% means great audience participation.

>>15659812
But they've drawn Nijisanji fanart?
https://twitter.com/tsuki_nonono/status/1448983101342842893?t=zkmBTOFHnixtNdDaqLk97g&s=19
can't even scroll 2 seconds huh

>>15659906
Based on the limited data that I can get from melonbooks, Hololive has 178 related stuffs and Nijisanji has 61 related stuffs. Also a lot of Lulu's doujins.

>>15659989
Fucking leeches

>>15659871
It's stalling now at 27-28k 21 mins in.
I don't think there's a chance at even 40k tonight.

>>15660026
It's grown at 300/min, assuming it doesn't stall it *could* reach 40k (but it likely won't)

>>15659917
though it means nijisanji suck at supporting the art industry and their affiliates, while holo hires different illustrators as an open opportunity for everyone else

Here is some food for thought: the highest attended stream right now on Nijisanji is
>Kanae, streaming on Twitch

>>15659989
>drawn
≠ to commissioned

>>15659938
>>15659989
He/She was known to have drawn backs of Holomembers until Ethyria came. I've followed the artist since May 2021 last year after he/she drew backs of all the fashion week member's backs. Also, HoloArtist doesn't mean Holo only. A majority of what they're drawing are Holos. Most artists are unityfags anyway.

>>15660068
I don't understand how you can reach this conclusion.

>>15660086
6k seems still a bit low for him. did he jsut start?

>>15660086
new year buff?!!

>>15660122
Don't respond to retarded tribalfags, it goes nowhere.

>>15660122
trickle down econ

>>15659815
She also wasn't doing it drunk last year, which is severely affecting her talk skills right now.

If you think about it, we kinda have a "weird" behavior as a viewer (relative to normies of course)
>exclusively watch one kind of content back to back
>extremely long sessions
>open streams from sources external to YT (schedule sites, twitter, discord, here, etc)
>some even have a dedicated account with a name allegoric to the streamers they watch (which could be seen as repetitive naming conventions)
>open multiple streams of the same kind at the same time (multiple POV collabs)
>have the stream open even before it starts
I don't know how Youtube will handle raids though, that would violate a ton of their "bot-clearing" methods

So any numbers from streamhatchet? I won't expect anything from these since it's heavily biased towards twitch

>>15660177
>I don't know how Youtube will handle raids though
lol

>>15660177
>I don't know how Youtube will handle raids though
They don't know either.

>>15660177
and as for subs on debuts
>subscribe on ~5 channels in an extremely short period of time
>said channels don't even have a video on them

>>15660187
it takes a while for them to chant the magic, likely release mid or early February

>>15660177
christmas relay was basically "raid" behaviour. you know the result.
also, a lot of these tools >we use are in response to yt sub box/notification fuckery

>>15660177
I think they tailored their algorithm to mobile user behaviors.

Since CCV numberfagging is dead, I guess first 24 hour VOD views are the only decent metric we have left.
Are any of the numberfagging sites tracking this statistic?

>>15660086
Looks normal enough, ange and kanae should be a little higher and lain.....

>>15660288
It wasn't. They have to move stream voluntary while "raid" move you automatically.

>>15660264
it will be another fucking shitshow
>[A] has [x] viewers
>[A] is ending stream and sends [x] viewers to [B]
>[B] receives [x / stupid_ratio ] viewers
>youtube will say that they need to verify them again
and god forbid the streamer that sends its viewers to a wait room rumao

>>15660086
>>15660319
>first stream of the year
>normal

>>15660319
>Ange
Honestly I would've bet on Ange getting 10k+ easily on a drinking zatsu after new years

>>15660319
Lain is not normal, even for her.
>1.6k likes
>1k peak CCV, dropping to 400 and so now

>>15660319
Ange's CCV is way too low.

>>15660127
He is a 3k-4k twitch streamer. That is an abnormal number but
>Twitch numberfagging
https://twitchtracker.com/kanae_2434
>>15660086
Ange, Chihiro, Ibrahim, Lain are quite low.

failed 2021 ambitious goals
>Calli 2m subs
>Koyori 500k subs

>>15659682
Peko debuff

>>15660086
Getting 10k now is hard with the new youtube ccv system. Damn, lain is not 2 views before worse than roboco now.

>>15659682
Christmas yab debuff please understand

>>15660395
Better Flare they said.

>>15660395
>2k average
>1.5k likes
>picrel
Oliver is normal though. Stop cherrypicking.

>>15660515
>cherrypicking
Anon, the whole thing is about things that do not look normal. It is not normal for Nijisanji livers to have more likes than their peak CCV

>>15660395
what if flare got this model instead?
1M subs and top 5 SC?

https://vrabi.ml/video/s2ytfphNkZI
This might end up winning the gold today.
>Mayuzumi rare stream buff
>Looks like a totsu
>Quick recovery from waiting room cull

Marine isn't getting to 40k at this rate.

Danchou right now 2k, can't fking get pass 3k after botan and pink dog end. Youtube can't detect watchers or something???

>>15660515
>other stream

>>15658626
Where do you get this data from? I checked Hololyzer but it doesn't seem to have this stat.

>>15660572
That was a gacha pulling stream where he was collabing with Gundou who got 9.8k on her own POV LMAO
Clearly not their normal numbers.

>>15660304
VOD views per stream are annoying because stream length influences them a lot, probably also how many streams they do back to back, I think we'd need "tiers" to rank them depending on how many hours they streamed.

(reposting from a couple of hours ago)
* NOW HERE IS THE RANKING OF MEDIAN PEAK OF CCV FOR THE MONTH OF DECEMBER *
Only channels with 5 streams or more qualify. Here is the top 50
>pic related

Ten (10) comments about it:
1) Ayame once again took the whole month doing what she does best: selectively streaming at the exact moment for a big payout
2) He-Ayame closely followed her and would finish in the first place, but his last stream failed to secure 20k and he fell to 2nd place
3) Fubuki finished first in the "daily streamer" category (those with at least 22 streams in the month), outranking Pekora, Subaru, Miko, Laplace and Kuzuha
4) Out of the top 50 Hololive secured 35 positions while NIjisanji secured 15
5) Lize is once again the highest ranked Nijisanji woman with a 12k median. Mito closely follows with 11k but she lost her perfect record of never having falled below 10k recently and is relegated to #2
6) Kronii made a comeback this month and is the highest EN streamer after Gura, and the only other EN above 10k
7) Aruran is the streamer with the most streams this month with 58, closed followed by Koyori with 57, Lui with 56, Iroha with 55, Chloe with 51 and Fubuki with 46
8) 28 channels have a median above 10k, 11 above 20k but only 3 channels above 30k this month: Ayame, He-Ayame and Fubuki
9) Things seem to have increased and not only 5k doesn't put you in the top 50 anymore but 6k doesn't as well, with Furen and Baelz being cut off even having a median ahead of that number,
>And the very surprising punchline
10) For the first time in the top 50 a NijiEN is featured
>Mysta Rias
with a 6k median, ahead of Baelz, Kiara, Sana ***and Selen*** and ranking this month as the highest ranked "minor" foreign branch (meaning all foreign branches but HoloEN which is a major one).

>>15660650
> youtube fucks over the site so much that /#/ has to now come up with our own algorithm to track actual viewer numbers

>>15660572
>muh cull

Marine already at 100k vod views despite only being at 32k for an hour.
..

>>15660661
Here is the chart showing the relative difference between them.

>>15660565
Do you guys apologize to Kiara yet?
She's actually a mid tier Holo all along and you guys called her a midget

Green: normal
Red: below average
Not sure what to make of this.

>>15660661
shouldn't have streamed that one Toya kun

>>15660661
Jesas Watame. Too much long SC reading?

>>15660675
Here is the full ranking for December 2021 and ten (10) more comments

1) Vox Akuma, as well, finished ahead of Sana, being the second highest ranked NijiEN
2) Selen fell short of outranking Sana, and got outranked by Moona as well
3) Hoshikawa outranked Haachama, something I think hadn't happen for a long time (if ever)
4) Pomu, with a 2k+ median, outranked Elira, with a 2k- median
5) Astel outranked Finana, Millie, Petra, Nina and Reimu, along with Risu, Reine and Anya
6) Hajime was once again the lowest ranked NijiJP because the other low ranking didn't stream five times this month to be ranked
7) Hana Macchia lost another position and fell to #3 in the NijiID ranking, trailing Bonnivier Pranaja and now also Mika Melatika
8) With the absence of Bora Nun, Bonnivier Pranaja from NijiID now also outranks the highest ranked NijiKR, Roha Lee, by a healthy margin
9) Aruran, despite having the most streams by any of the streamers of both companies, is the lowest ranked Hololive Productions member

and the punchline
10) The only NijiEN girl that is not outranked by ALL of the NijiEN boys is Selen, still ahead of Shu Yamino and Ike Eveland

>>15660438
Hoshikawa Sara 1M

>>15660681
>Rin, Mahi, Aki
>below average
???

>>15660586
Self made script

>>15660699
And here is the hololive median for the full year of 2021, with

>Pekora being the sole one with a median ahead of 30k
>Marine, Laplace and Gura being over 20k
>Aqua, Miko, Subaru, Ayame, Korone, Chloe, Rushia, Iroha, Shion, Suisei, Koyori, Haachama, Kanata, Botan, Kuronii, Inanis, Mio and the Hololive Main Channel being over 10k

>>15660558
you mean to say he will beat toya and kuzuha's nye stream?

I have been observing this thread for like 3 days already and I have come to the conclusion that this thread got culled.
The number of poster go down and thread moving much much slower.

>>15660661
Since you're a numberchad, I implore you to stop calling Kenmochi He-Ayame.
His content and streaming schedule is so different from Ayame that they're nothing alike apart from their low number of streams, in which there are dozens of Nijis that also fit the bill.
Him getting numbers isn't so much because his streams are rare, but moreso he's good at doing his thing (zatsus/ audience participation streams) and he can't spam streams since he's not a gamer.

>>15660710
I assume you need a youtube API key to get that to work right?

>>15660565
we are all bots according to youtube, don't you know?

>>15660707

>>15660650
Youtube don't detect funnel now this is f up, it should bump 1-2k after other holomen end.

>>15660558
It won't. It's purely hetero teetee.

>>15660673
the same stream last year peaked at around 50k, this year is obviously more but youtube

>>15660720
>13k rn 14 mins in
Mayu is kind of a sleeping numbers dragon where his numbers can be explosive so idk.
Doesn't seem as likely now tho.

>>15660708
It's below their playboard average:
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UC6oDys1BGgBsIC3WhG1BovQ
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCHX7YpFG8rVwhsHCx34xt7w
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCpnvhOIJ6BN-vPkYU9ls-Eg

>>15660732
>they're nothing alike apart from their low number of streams
and high average / median. You may be touching on the "content" subject but given the subject matter (numbers) it's undeniable that they share some similarities

>>15660772
Playboard average adds in event streams and shit, I watch Nijisanji, those are normal numbers.

https://youtu.be/d-Iy2E0vzEw
>Pekora is streaming now
Predict the numbers

>>15660735
Yes, but there are 3rd party libraries that need no authentication if you can trust their results

>>15660725
unfortunately, less shitpost material >>15660661
>vtuber god is ayame
>niji main below Pekora
>tokyo ghoul below gura
imagine if all three were reversed, this thread will have a field day

So with Nene's poll earlier and Youtube's response on twitter it's now confirmed something fucky is going on, right?

>>15660829
20K-30K

>>15660829
15k lmao. I don't expect Dragon Quest to be a big buff
But once again, she show people why she is Square Enix golden girl

>>15660699
>Gura above Kuzuha
King...

>>15660829
> DQ
20-25k peak

>>15660838
The fact that there's hard evidence that CCV is not just 'fucked' but 'well beyond fucked to the point it's leaking and frothing at the mouth half-dead' doesn't help things since how can you shitpost using a metric that's so broken it belongs in Hololive?

>>15660829
15k or less

>>15660818
I guess you can make a case for the others, but I sure don't see Rin dipping that low ever.

>>15660829
is the first DQ i think, so 15k to 20k

>>15660839
>now
evidence was right there a long time ago but it made EN numbers too good so nobody took it seriously

>>15660818
Shizuka Rin peak for today (634) is her 6th lowest peak since Mado started taking records, out of 98 streams.

>>15660839
Beyond a shadow of a doubt. 100% engagement in a minute, 120% in 2 minutes is so far beyond the pale that it's completely unarguable that CCV right now is super duper busted.
Given how YT is on th de things, expect this shit to become the new born and get rolled out onto all streamers sooner rather than later.

>>15660839
youtube straight up said shown CCV numbers are not final and is in processing until the stream ends

>>15660936
That's their generic answer for everything.

>>15660839
Doubt they'd do anything to fix it tho. Youtube is engaged in maximum profits for minimum costs. Another thing, if they fixed the ccv of streams, that's more money for streamers and less for youtube. A big no no for them.

>>15660839
they are probably testing it still, pretty sure the feature is still being experimented, we will see them on this week

>>15660839
Funnily enough, they assumed the man was reporting "suspicious" poll votes, instead of acknowledging "low ccv" in comparison.

>>15660839
Well something is definitely fucked. I'm updating the VOD count list periodically.

>HoloX + Nene VOD view update:
Laplus (21k peak, 366k views in 9 hours): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCHMamMb-_A
Lui (19k peak, 258k views in 8 hours): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv36secpPZ8
Koyori (27k peak, 276k in 8 hours): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuOcGQdY9KE
Chloe (39k peak, 421k in 7 hours): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbe3Vbt4Rj8&t=1s
Iroha (36k peak, 344k views in 7 hours): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btPk1zlS3D4
Nene (28k peak, 242k views in 6 hours): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGnosN7o6Nw&t=3s

>Last year's numbers
Coco (61k peak, 423k views): https://holo.poi.cat/stream/9-miUIbhZc4
Towa (57k peak, 379k views): https://holo.poi.cat/stream/ac80uA4Y0P4
Kanata (84k peak, 360k views): https://holo.poi.cat/stream/0lxAqsyXqeg
Luna (67k peak, 317k views): https://holo.poi.cat/stream/e36L2mooaxE
Watame (69k peak, 334k views): https://holo.poi.cat/stream/QJoXqGB4Vsk
Polka (85k peak, 388k views): https://holo.poi.cat/stream/1q5VK5T4Rw8
Lamy (71k peak, 334k views): https://holo.poi.cat/stream/Qb2d4dtUKaU
Botan(87k peak, 369k views): https://holo.poi.cat/stream/qvmF2KxKZSQ

Some guesswork:
- Laplus probably did peak low since she started with her costume, but people are checking the VOD out because of her meme costume
- Lui, Koyori, and Nene probably did not reach the same peaks as last years, but we'll have a better idea after 24 hrs.
- Chloe has almost surpassed everyone in Gen 4 and 5 in VOD counts despite not having a close CCV

If you still think Nene had a 28k peak btw, this was Aki Rose's costume reveal 4 months ago. Luckily it's also 30 mins.
Aki Rose (26k peak, 176k views): https://holo.poi.cat/stream/z6D1hB-LlTY

>>15660720
>20 minute stream

How did Kuzuha recline so hard that Gura beat him?

>>15660829
>Original Dragon Quest
Should be a fun stream and if she is even somewhat competent at RPGs, which she clearly is, she can beat this in one 5 or 6 hour stream.

>>15660699
Matsuri really reclined huh

>>15661056
I wouldn't mind seeing Pekora become the "random game" streamer. That could be a niche as well
She just pull random game out of her ass and stream it

>>15661055
You got it the other way around.
Kuzuha inclined to a point where he could compete with Gura.
Last year, Gura was 40k+ CCV (pre-cull) and he was a below 20k median and only had 500k subs.

>>15661047
that was beyond expectation anon. managerkun pulled the plug to save tokyo ghoul

>>15661011
pajeets are a different kind of breed.

>>15661055
Kuzuha is the one who rose up to Gooba, now idoru training made him go back down.

>>15661092
>random game streamer
that has always been Pekora's niche, it just so happen there were many projects & interaction in MC back then

Here are a couple of more chart
First: HoloJP monthly median for all of Holostats record.

They had a GREAT December 2021, second only in 2021 to Jun 2021 (Coco graduation tour buff).

>>15661093
did he beat Mel tho?

>>15661120
It's refreshing seeing her stream games that no other Holo would touch. I think Ame is the only one pick up TF2 after Pekora stream it
I also enjoyed her Parasite Day stream

>>15661055
Outfit boost + a million different collabs being held on her channel. She will go back to being sub 20k next month going by her Minecraft numbers.

>>15661093
Kuzuha is a 3 year old vtuber veteran though and Gura is a hotshot 1 year old newbie.

>>15661092
She does that all the time already?
In December alone she played 3 games out of left field (Don't think any other holo have played them), during a month where everyone else mostly spammed Pokemon. Unless you want her to only play those kind of things, avoiding anything that's flavor of the month?

>despite everything this thread is back to discussing Ccv
You're all hopeless

>>15661131
And here is HoloJP **mean** average of CCV (not peak CCV, the regular average). It was also the second best of the year, beating even both months of Coco graduation buff but (for obvious reasons) trailing November 2021.

5k should be the new breakpoint for the old 10k due to youtube pajeets

Shu number looks normal, significantly above his average even.

>>15661203
Anon, this thread will likely not discuss something that takes days to measure.
There is an instant feedback on a live audience that VOD, subs and other measurements can't provide for a thread that hits Page 11 four times a day.

Omega passed Temma without even uploading a single video.

>>15661203
anon we are still coping, forgive us

>>15661203
Where do you think you are?

maybe is another theory but i think for some reason those holos that overlap and start a stream at the same time are the ones having problems most of the time.
Iroha, subaru and marine were fine.
Maybe users that are in various waiting rooms is messing or blocking the queue. who knows
>>15661230
okayu, flare, watame and luna are below the avergae and still have troubles beating the waiting room for the lats 3.

>>15661186
Fair, just say I wouldn't mind it
Having a clear niche is good for consistent numbers

>>15661243
A victory for trans and non-binary people

Fat cat is about to have likes equal live views

>>15661203
Anon, this place was hopeless long before this absolute CCV fuckery, everyone's just looped back around so far the despair totem that it's back to CCV anyways despite it being so broken not even a thrift store would want it.

>>15661230
JP hours truly are his best hours man.

His highest stream so far is still his 6k doing a Japanese zatsu.
https://vrabi.ml/video/dhYhEIPiZ0Y
>195k VOD for 6.3k peak
That's actually pretty nutty.

>>15661230
>>15661255
nvm you said shu
yeah the homos main audience is on SEA

>>15661255
subaru and marine both were below average, subaru's was a collab showcasing old school jp cartridges and marine had 50k peak last year for the same stream

>>15660735
If you want to get the data from api yourself instead of 3rd party libraries, remember to use v1 or else you can't access ended livestreams

I guess more vtubers and fans will start realizing about the youtube cull and complain on Twitter until they address the issue and claim it's a new feature

>>15660558
>This might end up winning the gold today.
>Marine isn't getting to 40k at this rate.
kek, not even close.

It's been 7 days since Flare did her Shiny hunting stream and her numbers went from 7k to barely 3k.
https://vrabi.ml/channel/UCvInZx9h3jC2JzsIzoOebWg

Watame finally reached her waiting room number after 20 mins and she had an announcement for an announcement stream that will likely not spread to the greater Holo fanbase.
Ofc it has double the likes than the peak CCV too.
https://vrabi.ml/video/MuFMD403gbg

niji 2Ds so janky

Is there any point in tracking gold at this point when we don't even know if the cull is proportionate?

>>15661450
All of these days that aren't DEFINITIVE winners like NJU need a big ol * thrown beside them until we know it's been rolled out to everyone, reverted, or figure out something that lets us figure out who/how streams are getting mogged.

>>15661450
Yes. You measure what is visible

>>15661450
No, the ccvlympics ended in 2021

>HoloNY 2020 2021
>NJU 2020 2021
Holo decline?

>>15661450
Ther has never been any point to the stupid gold shit,it was basically a game

>>15659682
Pakora debuff

NijiEN #1 vs Holostars #1

Youtube CCV tier now:

>S tier
15k

>A tier
10k

>B tier
5k

>C tier
3k

>D tier
1k

>>15660438
>Towa 1 million

>>15661482
More like NJU being on the same day as HoloNY mogged it handily so it goes down a spot
They weren't even on the same days last year, come on now.

Is there any numberfag website that allows sorting live streams by number of likes? Probably not as it's a pretty useless metric but considering at this point it's more reliable than CCV it could be considered.

>>15661482
Probably, the stream itself sucked.

Numbers-wise, it didn't do much differently from last year in the end despite having a much lower CCV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBTwb8jqJM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuuLvt16aDQ

Seeing Pekora struggle to break 20k is weird lol

>>15661541
But after all, they generally have a different audience and therefore the concert should not have had such a strong effect.

>>15661577
Get used to it. The yab killed her so she is mid-tier now

>>15661577
15k is top tier now anon

>>15661601
>15k is mid tier
ftfy

>>15661586
Twitter trending ranks means they're in DIRECT competition on the trend list anon...

>>15661586
>Big tourist attraction stream vs big tourist attraction stream
>One is obviously much better than the other

Can't wait to see holo marika tournament numbers kek

I want to finally see if Pekora is truly stronger than Gura.

>>15661530
So all of Niji are SSS tier while Holos are D tier now?

>>15661592
Though I wouldn't say "kill". She is still in a better spot than a lot of Holos. Had the yab happened to any other Holos, they probably will become actual 2view

>>15661530
This makes me sad. What does susan have against year to year rankings? They fucking change their algos every december

>>15661608
Stop living in the past

>>15661637
Pekora was never actually stronger than Gura. She used to get better ccv than Gura but not anymore
In term of sheer popularity, Gura have everyone beat

So im thinking youtube ccv ai is broken and is flagging all the more active accounts, who watch streams more often, as possible bots for verification, while the tourists who never appeared before to watch the channel are seen as legit. I havent slept though

>>15661203
CCV is just the most "fun" metric for numberfagging. You can see it go up and down in the middle of the streams depending on what happens.
For something like VOD views or SC, all you have to do is check it one time after the stream is over, and a few times a week or month to see how fast something grows, there's not much discussion there except when someone posts a chart.

>>15661077
It all went downhill really fast after the love hotel incident

>>15661637
In CCV she is still, but it's not that impressive any more

>>15661674
She lost to Kiara in SCs anon.

>>15661642
Based niji retard

>>15661633
Suisei 40k max. rumao

>>15661717
Marine couldn't get 33k today with no overlap doing a stream she got 45k with last year.

Almost 0% chance Suisei gets 40k this year for MK.

>>15661712
So? Are you seriously trying to say Gura is less popular than Kiara because of paypigs?

>>15661712
Spamming donations isn't an indicator of popularity

>>15661592
I find it funny that yab happened at the same time with weird CCV change, so it's impossible to measure how big that really was.

>>15661206
Going to miss having numbers these high going into 2022.

>>15661712
Lost in one metric, won in everything else lmao
Winning in just 1 metric does not make you an overall stronger Vtuber

>>15661657
Stop living in the past, Pekora

>>15661491
>>15661601
This cope is delicious.

>>15661770
I actually feel relieved that it was Pekora who tank all that yab. Any other Holo number would plummet to the ground already if the same thing happened to them
Pekora just got kicked to mid-tier, that show how big she was

>>15661788
>>15661745
>>15661751
>>15661674
Why are chumpedos like this? Dead subs aren't an indication of popularity you know?

>>15661689
What incident?

on a more positive note, HACHI finally broke 2k after 50mins. still lower but the numbers seems to be recovering

>>15661833
>>15661689
QRD on this?

>>15661817
I mean she still hit 20k in a old dq game so it seems like a nothingburger really.

>>15661827
Not as dead as JP's CCVs lmao

>>15661850
she was already at the bottom of the barrel before that, schizo rrats make no difference

>>15661674
>She used to get better ccv than Gura but not anymore
Not really? Pekora seems to be doing fine right now. Unless you're using Guras unarchived karaoke + announcement numbers as the default for her.

>>15661808
?

>>15661817
Looking at how other holos are doing I don't think that Pekora dropped to mid-tier, at worst she will be loosing to Marin for a while.

>>15661827
ENschizo can you explain why your precious JPs reclining so hard first?

>>15661855
Should incline a few thousand at least since Marine is reading SCs.
This feels like the type of stream that Pekora used to get 23k peak on a few months ago.

>>15661880
>reduced to 20k
>fine

There is likely a lot of things hapenning but Pekora hitting 21k, 22k on a regular gaming stream used to be the norm for her August / September numbers, specially overlapping with Marine holding 20k

>>15661880
Yeah and overlapping with Orca's outfits reveal which is today's gold

ENsharts are making fun of us... SUSAN WHEN WILL YOU FIX THIS SHIT

I see that the seaboys are still going strong. /#/ 2022 the same as /#/ 2021.

>>15661884
Pekker's yab. Can you also explain how a 3mil sub like Gura manages to get lower ccv and the same VOD views as usagi? Hmmm chumkek?

>>15661923
her normal number is 30k for this kind of stream

>>15661884
JP ate 2 culls though the first cull was weaker than EN.

>>15661964
>same VOD
In your dreams, Gura has a higher VOD/video average

>>15661855
I mean I'm pretty sure it's a nothingburger because Pekora was big enough to tank it lol

>>15661993
/video because she's lazy and can't compete in output

>>15661947
>Fix
It fixed now

It seems to me that we now have real viewers comparable to vod views. Bots are no longer taken into account in viewership statistics, but they can vote and like videos.

>>15661966
>normal
Hololive's numbers aren't normal right now, anon.

I think I accidentally started another Gura vs Pekora timeloop. When the fuck will this end?

>>15662024
It doesn't

>>15662033
Shitposting schizos will grab onto anything.

>>15662033
Never, nousagis are even more sensitive now that Susan equaled the playing field.its rabbit season

>>15662033
Never since those two are always competing as the face of Hololive.

>>15662033
Never because someone has to be number 1 apparently rather than admitting than both have their own strong points
Doesn't help that people keep screaming chumpedo and last samurai

>>15662062
the face of hololive is and always has been fbk

>>15661993
>Gura outfit reveal - 1mil - 120K
>Pekora outfil reveal - 1.4mil - 180K
Do your reps man, come on you're embarassing Gura.

Is nobody taking notice of this? Sub 11k peak, sub 6k average, 3 hour stream, but already 300k vod views within an hour

>>15662062
>>15662076
Sora, retard.

Sora vs Fbk, wanna go?

>>15662062
Do peko shits really think this because of a now proven useless ccv metric? Gura, Sora, FBK, korone have always been the faced of Hololive. There has never been a period of time where Pekora was considered the face

I know there are some fuckery currently going on with youtube but weren't those outfit reveals disgustingly low? I just checked holopoi but the highest one was Chloe at just 38k. That's barely higher than Gura's relay. These threads were laughing mad shit at Myth's 2nd outfit numbers but even Kiara managed to get higher ccv than any of them today. How about the vod views? Are they similar to last year's outfit reveals? Is it just severe decline in interest or is the cull THAT brutal?

>>15662076
the face of hololive is and always has been Sora

>21k on a DQ
Are we now healing nousagibros?

>>15662102
see >>15661034

>>15662050
Right now this is what normal CCV looks like
EN got culled once
JP got culled once
Fair enough

>>15662102
Just scroll up anon. Its not that hard.

>>15662094
This shit is broken, why even try
>>15662097
Sora is the face, Fubuki is the pillar.

>>15662097
>>15662106
>(((((Sora)))))
I guarantee you nobody outside of the vtuber sphere would know that name. Gura and Pekkers on the other hand are well known outside of the sphere.

>>15662117
Not really.
Marine is in SC reading and Pekora barely inclined.
Usually she gets a few thousand.

>>15662126
Both got culled twice at the same time

>>15662126
Dec 2020 culled JP too. Repeating your narrative doesn't make it true.
Reminds me, I wonder what will graphanon do now.

>>15662149
>still no proof JP got culled

>>15662126
en seems to be normal now

>checks why is he trending
>it's some IRL shit
Why is he qualified as vtuber again?

>>15662159
Are you that new to have never seen one of graph anon's graph?

>>15661966
30k for a endurance retro first Dragon Quest? You're delusional, not even in the summer she got that for this. In fact, i would say she's getting a bit more than usual for this debuff.

>>15662123
>>15662134
Phew. I just woke up but these debuffed numbers just FUCKS me up. Glad it's just YT being retarded.

>>15661838
2.2k after 70mins. maybe the numbers are really recovering. everyone just went to the shrine for new years greetings/went to get new years soba.

The cull is not consistent. I don't think Pekora's getting culled right now. Her like to view ratio seems normal.

>>15662174
Kek it's normal because you've been living it for a year anon.

here is my last schizo theory for today
>the new update released a new IA
>they started training it with the new set with data from this week
>this means that a huge portion of the viewers are SUS because of the extremely strange viewing habits (specially for the tournaments/relays)
>some viewers are still on a "not-human" behavior phase because they haven't watched anything "different"
>the weird numbers are a product of that, an IA being trained with data gathered under extremely special circumstances
>it will normalize as time goes on and viewers start getting their "legitimate human" tag

>>15662148
Shieeet well atleast she's managing to break 20k, those previous undertale streams were depressing

>>15662180
>comparing a drop perfectly within normal variance to EN's 50% cull

>>15662159
I hope you're pretending to be retarded

So /#/, what were your new years resolution?
Mine is to avoid baits and be less inclined to respond to dishonest interactions in /#/ that some engage in. No point in calling out fan bases, you know who you are.

>>15662126
Do you really think Susan has some magic number nerf beam that only targetted Hololive EN and Hololive JP streamers seperately for some reason

>>15662209
Gura is not the entirety of EN.

>>15662214
thank you. the more we ignore the VOMSposters the better the thread gets.

>>15661674
It's not just about the CCV, it's the total watched hours. It's honestly hard to judge, because Pekora streams way more than Gura, but if Gura streamed as much as Pekora she would inevitably drop in individual VOD views, and there's no guarantee she would gain enough total views to compete with Numberrabbit.

>>15662203
you're telling me they always have double the viewers? come on enshart

No cull here either

>>15662214
I will try to be objective when discussing number this year too. My autism keep me from being biased

>>15662176
He's a normalfag that appeals to normalfags first and vtuber second

>>15662176
he is not anon... seanigs just love to use whatever there is for shitposting against holo

>>15662249
>En

>>15662249
still within the debut buff. channel too new to raise any botting flags

>>15662218
Nope they just didn't update the system for Japan last year

>>15662197
To be fair, I'm the one who's updating the list and it does seem like the numbers for some members were lower than last year's (Lui, Koyori, and Nene).

This may be attributed to EOP interest in JPs declining (pretty obvious that as more ENs debut, people are more willing to skip streams and watch clips the next day), overlapping with HoloEN's streams (~35k people), and Laplus ruining the momentum from the very start with her troll costume reveal.

However, it's undeniable that they did not get numbers as low as 26k, seeing as we have Aki Rose's data to cross check.

>>15662267
Holy shit just admit that HoloJP reclined, how long are you gonna be stuck on the 1st stage of denial?

>>15662249
Not Japanese side

>>15662241
It IS hard to judge. I can only judge it accurately IF both of them stream as frequently
CCV are affected by how often you stream as well. On theory, Gura could get lower ccv if she spam stream everyday, Pekora can get higher ccv if she stream less. But that is all theories

>>15662228
NTA but Watson actually got culled more than Gura since Watson was a 21k streamer in november and she she became a 10k streamer in december

>>15662147
If Hololive was a house then Sora's the foundation while Fubuki is the main pillar. Pekkers and Gura are the walls and other shit that the tourist check when doing house hunting

I don't even know who is FBK
My first 3 recognized holo name are Korone the anime dog, Haachama and Miko the niggar.

>>15662176
he is not, it's just a gimmick for him, just like the twitch niggers and pewdiepie
the only channels considered as vtubers are on this list
https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/document/ranking
the niggers manually review who can and who cannot be in the list, they have removed channels that didn't started as vtubers (like wolfychuu's main channel) or don't fall in the category for obvious reasons (annoyingorange) among other things

>>15662209
>perfectly within normal variance

>>15662249
That's actually a 10k stream in reality, last samurai.

>>15662309
oh yeah, and also this
Rushia passed IA's second channel, this makes it so 9 out of the 10 top vtubers are Hololive

This whole issue makes no sense.

Google has a holiday code freeze during the whole month of December, which means the earliest that changes could be made would be mid-January.

It is very unlikely that this is a new change. So why is it only starting to take effect now?

>>15662094
You forgot how much money it earned from the stream kek

Chloe replaced Coco but Rushia still reigns supreme. How would others react that an anime girl earnt $1.6M in a year through SCs and earnt $560k for her company

>>15662249
I think Mysta is just legit and judging from HoloEN's numbers today, whatever cull they got is the same old cull they've been living with for a year now.
NijiENs get culled too.

To spin this obvious bait into something positive, Mysta is respectable from a numberfag perspective.
He's done 14 streams and I don't think he's done a single debuff stream.
It's all been buff games, gimmicks or horror games.
You don't have shit like Kronii playing Frostpunk or Vox playing Civ 5.

If I'm betting on anyone in NijiEN beating 10k solo, it's going to be him.

>>15662367
testing it first on selected groups? this is what they usually do for everything they release, like removing the dislike button

>last samurai
Why he keeps exposing himself as retard?

>>15662367
I still think that it's some kind of error that isn't getting fixed until after the holidays (I hope).

>>15660677
Even before the bug she was called mid tier but every en is a midget compared to guwa

>>15662367
Something broke over the holidays or they decided to push test code for whatever reason to streamers that would have a noticeable impact as a test.

>>15660736
Well it did take me 3 tries to type the captcha so i guess youtube is on to something

Despite all the low numbers across holo streams, there's only 1 niji stream (collab) in the top 20

>>15662284
That's just Ame being retarded. Interest for her died down after she play constant debuff games. I still remember the times when she spammed oblivion, donkey kong and mario platform. Good times.

>>15662447
>times when she spammed oblivion
You mean 2 days ago?

>>15662274
But Mori is in Japan

>>15662441
Is that the noon show? Did Kuzuha not stream again?

>>15662447
Naw, it's moreso the Supa Sundays, watchalong spam, and platformers.

Stuff like Oblivion she usually plays during late hours as a chill stream so those wouldn't affect her numbers too much.
However, streaming Super Mario 64 for weeks during a good burger time for weeks when people want to watch you play Minecraft, FPS games, or FoTM games is why she declined imo.

>>15662284
According to that Mio got culled more than all of EN

I feel like the CCV cull is experimental toward only Hololive/Nijisanji since I believe they've been acknowledged by YT as certified streamers. You don't see everyday that Streamers such as Hololive gets this much traction as compared to other streamers on YT or Twitch. The kind of streamer group that could almost get 50k stream every single day in 2021. Just looking at the SC chart, they've earnt YT millions of dollars. In one or two months, they'll roll it the experiment back and saying it's not worth it.

>>15662447
That still doesn't explain Gura going from 46k to 25k or Ina going from 20k to 13k even though their content was still pretty simillar pre cull I think

>>15662293
A face means someone that's easily recognizable when you talk about a certain thing. A Kekzuna Aiiieeee clone certainly does not appear in people's head when they think of Vtubing or Hololive.

>>15662481
Oh my bad, Kuzuha is at 20

>>15662500
Mio was already reclining before that and you're not accounting for her possibly streaming debuff content post cull, it's not the same situation you disingenuous retard

>>15662500
Yes but on average, the cull for EN was worse compared to JP

>>15662538
The company chooses the face though not the other way around
>>15662549
The exact same could be said to Ame. Gura, not sure.

>>15662521
hahaha sure everything will be back to normal, just like the sub culls that heavily targets vtuber gen debuts by design.
Don't overdose on copium anon

>>15662284
>not all JP streamers saw a drop
>all EN streamers saw a drop
Anyone who doesn't see that JP just experienced a drop within normal variance while EN was maliciously culled is either blind or a coping last samurai

>>15662575
>EN beating JP homo offcollab
God damn.

>>15662575
Can't wait for the NijiENfag vs NijiJPfag timeloops like we have with Pekora vs Gura all the time

>>15662537
Gura got better the more she streamed so a content based recline all of a sudden would never explain that.

>>15662549
>Mio was already reclining before that and you're not accounting for her possibly streaming debuff content post
I could say the same about literally everyone on that list.
Need a full list of their streams and numbers during December and November to properly judge, not just the average of both months.

So, how are they gonna do EN auditions? Would they announce it every month or something because if they don't, people would easily forget that there's always an open audition. 3 months later, they might not even get any application at all if they don't tweet it out constantly.

>>15662595
last samurai deez nuts

>>15662612
ORANGE KUZUHA
>ORANGE KUZUHA
ORANGE KUZUHA

>>15662612
JP nijifags have no presence on this site. Whereas the holo EN vs JP loops come from /hlg/ seething at Myth's pre cull numbers. Only because they used to be on top does anyone care, because otherwise it'd just be an accepted "yeah ofc the side branch is doing worse" from both sides.

so, wo would win the gold today?

>>15662595
>only Mel inclined
YOU are blind.

>>15662691
Chloe probably

Ochame Kinou EN - 6 hour ago - 409k views

Hours watched chart for 2021 done yet?

>>15662645
Don't worry about it anon, 2 views won't forget hololive is a thing and stop trying to get in.

2021 SC? Cant wait to see lamy btfo kiara

>>15662645
They didn't announce anything about JP auditions since 2019, excepy for those two characters from Parsley and Kakage but those were seperate.

>>15662790
Previous thread, there's also one in the catalogue

>>15662698
That is already proof enough holoJP wasn't culled if even a 2view shitter like Mel could incline

Kek Nene's VOD got culled from 242k to 233k.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGnosN7o6Nw&t=3s

The rest of HoloX might see a small cull, but Chloe's VOD is already at 433k, which is higher than everyone from last year.

Right now, the highest CCV for streams from any Nijisanji branch is
>Mysta Rias
with over 7k. Both Ibrahim and Kanae are under that number.

Kanae seems to be getting a smaller number now on YouTube that he was getting on Twitch an hour ago

Btw, do we have the 2021 CCV ranking?
I know who's 1st already, but knowing the rest would be interesting as well

>>15662823
>one outlier is definite proof
>while everyone else reclined
You can't number.

>>15662823
Jesus is it really that hard to accept youtube fucked up over jp? It is literally obvious even non numberfag can know something isn't right

Lui-nee...

>>15662849
He's also the third most watched stream right now and mogging a lot of holos. I kneel. There is no cull. Cull is just another word for holocope at this point.

>>15662879
Lui-nee incline

>>15662824 (me)
Fuck, I jinxed it.
Everyone lost 10-20k, but still trending above last year's VOD counts.

>>15662896
>And a lot of nijis

>>15662896
NijiEN fags uppity as usual. Never change, NijiEN, never change.

>>15662849
Is JP's era finally over?

>>15662896
Those low numbers make me puke. Susan fix your shit

>>15662849
>Kanae seems to be getting a smaller number now on YouTube that he was getting on Twitch an hour ago
tbf he's streaming poker, which is a bigger debuff than Valorant on a platform he doesn't usually stream on.

>>15662823
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/mel
You can look up at the streams yourself.
In November she only streamed 4 times, two of them were chatting streams, two of them Minecraft.
In December she streamed 5 times, one of them was the Christmas Karaoke relay that was a huge buff. She also streamed ASMR and then 3 times Minecraft and one of them was a collab with Suisei.

Is Sana just going to be doing the world's longest streams from now on

>>15662896
So...Pekora is still the queen after the culling...
nijisisters...I don't feel so good...

>>15662790
Still not up yet, I could give you unofficial numbers by tallying up all the monthly totals but I don't want to post that in case it's different to what the yearly figure says. Needless to say yes Lamy did beat Kiara by about $300k

>>15663048
There is no cull. Pakora is missing 10k for this kind of her stream because of her yab.

>>15662896
he should enjoy this before the panjeets apply the new fix to this account

Luxiem starting to go through Holostars.

Mysta's biggest demographic is JP by the way.

>>15663094
fujos with white fever

>>15663013
There is no culling
Stop coping
HoloJP is reclining
Face it

>>15663035
He can't even read the table right what makes you think that he'll go through streams

Is the cull only affecting chuubas? Have other Youtube streamers been affected by it?

>>15663112
>Mysta
>White
Kek

>>15663076
And they lost a ton of pre and post-debut subs too. Roberu should get the noose ready.

>>15663076
Fucking Omega having more subs than Temma is more amusing. Who the fuck are all these people subscribing to Vtweeter account with 0 videos coming from?

>>15663148
pekora's husbando

>>15662801
By the way what happened to those designs?

>>15663094
What counts as a demographic though? Because it could be 15% Japan, 14% Philippines, 13% Indonesia, 13% Malaysia, 12% Singapore etc.

>>15663061
NTA, but how long does it usually take for the numbers to load properly?

>>15663154
Nips associate English speaking person to a 6'2" tall blonde hair blue eyes white caucasian man

I kneel before Mysta. You should too.

>>15663190
They announced they couldn't find people for them, but then they announced Gen6 a while later with the same artists. So maybe they just didn't like the designs?

>>15663148
on YT? some /pol/ grifter got lower ccv than he used to (about 40-50% lower). but I don't follow him enough to know if its a result of a cull or he's just doing something not particularly popular/interesting

>>15663188
He isn't though?

>>15663066
Been gone for a while. What’d she do?

>>15663148
DHC News went from 45-55k every day to ~35k

>>15663228
A pity. I liked the eyepatch goth's design

>>15663178
did they even ever call attention to it? iirc people just found it one day and weren't even sure if it was official

>>15663212
see >>15659031

>>15663066
ching chong ping pong ding ding dong

Let's be real here: this 'cull' is just a bug that happens occasionally, not in every stream. Holo and Niji numbers look normal right now.

>>15663221
The annual ones I have no idea because I wasn't following this stuff as closely a year ago, it says on the about page it was due to be updated 7 hours ago though lol

>>15663253
Didn't stream on Christmas

>>15663225
>Mysta 1h in
>7k CCV
>4k likes
>Watame 2h in
>4k CCV
>9k likes
Explain, nijisisters.

>>15663279
That explains a lot.

>>15663178
>>15663262
The Hololive English channel features him in the channel tab. They also have that "Story of Omega" video so I guess that's where most of the subs come from.

>>15662896
>Still the top streaming1 vtuber after all the culling and debuff from Undertale and KFC yab
I KNEEL

hime is a 3view streamer now...

>>15663244
He used to get twice as many on YT compared to Twitch

>>15663289
even if we went only with official statement, the ccv figure shown on the screen is admittedly inaccurate and is not final for whatever reason.

>>15663178
>>15663262
>>15663343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLAcgHX160k

>>15662896
Queen still queen
Pekoschizos on suicide watch

>23k for a super debuff JRPG
Seems like Pekora is recovering from the YAB And she is still the Queen

I suppose it was accidentally prescient that Holo and Niji's business model relies on SC's, members and merch instead of views

Reine poll

>>15663476
Seems normal to me

>>15663429
And it barely dropped after what, 2 hours already.

>>15663429
Eh, notable DQ fan Pekora playing the first game in the series all in one sitting is hardly a super debuff

Fucking hell, why do chinks tolerate using bilibili and it's shitpile of UI

>>15663429
DQ is not a debuff for JP at all. Lize gets good numbers with it. Plus, she's doing an endurance marathon which should be a buff.

>>15663429
So...Pekora is super Saiyan...
What does not kill you makes you stronger

>>15663429
~30k should have been the numbers without cull

>>15663758
There is no cull there. Cope. Cull is random and unpredictable. Her like to view ratio isn't abnormal.

>>15663758
Based on what? Her weekend streams are usually within 20-25k. Even her DQ5 gacha streams hovered around low 20s save for liquid metal slime hunting.

Alright why am I seeing a bunch of Niji anti thread in catalog? This better not be your doing /#/

Well I think I'm cured of my numberfaggotry, it'll be tough going cold turkey but I can't get my fix when the numbers are this bad and we know how massively wrong they are

>>15663813
>Cope
>Cull is random and unpredictable
>But not for EN, they are culled all the time
>Cope

>>15661163
You'd still find people calling her an MC streamer despite all the evidence pointing to variety streaming

>>15663943
Cope

>>15663035
>one of them was a collab with Suisei.
I think you got it wrong

>>15664053
https://youtu.be/iFRN48wMV64

>>15663999
I mean almost all of her most popular clips are MC: PekoMoon, PekoShuba war, UsaKen Summer Fes and all of her famous pranks

>>15664117
Oh 2020, my bad

>>15664176
9 of her 1M streams are non-MC related
6 are MC related and they’re all collabs

>>15664518
90% of her clips are MC related

>>15662521
youtube doesn't want "good vibes" on their platform dude
their job is to spit political bullshit, drama and all sorts of toxicity in front of your face continuously and demoralize you from doing anything useful, because "the world is fucked, why bother doing anything?"
Vtubers are against their driving principle, and they will try their very best to destroy this phenomenon with all their might.

Ngl but /#/ is quite calm today, this is a good thing

>>15664842
Youtube killed the thread

>>15663253
ignore him, he's a zhang trying to "make a yab" out of a nothingburger when Peko went to the doctor on Christmas and didn't stream that evening because she was tired.

>>15664842
They cope
They're afraid
They leave

>>15663476
anything >5 will probably get ignored here as there's too much of a chance for churn and other factors.
2 minutes is probably the best time to check poll results, which is why Nene's stream confirmed what most of us feared

>>15662089
>Gura 2d outfit reveal - 1mil - 120K
>Pekora 1d outfit reveal (NY doesn't count) - 1.4mil - 180K
fixed
also and the first gura outfit is 194k so keep seething

>>15664842
Number is dead anon.