/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

>>15554852
>37%
>>15554340 sure doesn't look like 37% to me, faggot. Stop pushing your fake numbers, holoEN was dropped by at least 50% if not more going by the poll participation rate.

>become a holo mama/papa
>make merch of your daughter
>print money as much money as you can print merch
I can see why Lui's mama was seething for a year.

>>15554734
hey there are some en merch

>>15554734
good thing you use this pic for the OP because the artist sold out all his goods!
>>15553941

>>15554953
Yeah, but we know for a fact that a nontrivial amount of western watchers use adblock, so this checks out. We still don't know what is causing JP chuuba culls.

>>15554953
The scary thing to consider is that pre-December 2020 numbers may have already been heavily culled compared to what they should be, and the change simply made a flawed algorithm even more severe.

>thread starts with a retard baiting
>faggots keep biting
this is why there's a lot of schizos here

PSA: Do not engage, do not respond, starve him of (you)s and he'll fuck off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pSteP-8uCI

Youtube algo want me to watch this so bad. Any of you guys got this also?

>>15555193
Yep, popped up on my front page first thing in the morning

>>15555193
it will now that you've boxpushed it here FUCK

>>15554953
pretty sure that was the pre to post December cull which showed that on average, the ENs lost about 37% of their CCV (not vods or supas which were still pretty consistent)

waiting live in 109 mins

I don't understand ratio-ing poll participation rates to CCV.
Pekora's poll for example (1 min 5176 votes at around 7.3k CCV) would make her have 13k to 51k actual CCV which makes no sense.

https://youtu.be/FbRigiDP0Lo

Pomu trying to get a share of the views from NJU, sasuga!

>>15555339
Pomu...why

>>15555339
NijiEN Kiara

>>15555339
thank god we have someone to blame if they don't pass their last year numbers

>>15555334
What? That's a huge range. If she had 7k CCV very early in a stream she realistically probably had 10-15k already watching.

>>15555444
yeah, reimu

>>15555380
Kiara at least ended up pushing ticket sales (management thanked her for it).
What's the point of doing a watchalong of a free concert.

>>15555193
Hey, stop motion animation is a FUCKton of work, and it's of a funny moment. I already watched it earlier, and given the other stuff that I've seen them do, the views are deserved.

kek looks clean af

Gentle reminder that you can only vote in polls if you are logged in. These numbers aren't just a little fucked, or off by just a third or something. They are completely, totally fucking cooked to the point where it's reasonable to believe that YouTube is purposefully fucking over it's own content creators.

>>15555339
She's the Niji Kiara and is one of the few in EN that actually gives a shit about Nijisanji as a fan rather than just a worker.

>>15555508
Has anyone tried seeing if viewership is counted if you're not logged in?

>>15555489
I have no idea how much poll participation rate one normally get so I went by with some anon in the previous thread that claimed that usual poll participation rates are 10% to 40%

>>15555506

>Fuwa Jump King

is this game going to infect niji as well? I saw that shota vtuber from there doing a endurance of it as well

>>15555508
logged in and in a device capable of doing so, aka no external devices like videogame consoles, TV's and stuff like that

>>15555501
Pomu is gonna watch the concert anyway, might as well stream it and try to generate some interest in the JP branch which is almost completely absent from most EN watchers.

>>15555508
What's new Anon? YouTube has been actively fucking over its creators for years now, basically ever since Google took over. This is just the latest wave, where we have utterly fucked beyond all reasonable hell amounts of numbers to back up the facts.

>>15555508
Whatever youtube bot algorithm is doing its getting way too many false positives. I really wish youtube would stop fucking with the numbers but the only people who care enough to make a fuss is us

>>15555508
How many people watch youtube without being logged in? You don't have subs or anything. The few times I've had to do it on a new device or something it was super frustrating, I cannot see anyone willingly doing that.

>>15555508
It's possible for watching vtubers to be positively correlated with having an account to the point where the numbers are at least in the same order of magnitude.

>>15555508
>>15555676
Don't worry, we're here to patch it.

>>15555606
Poll participation at the very beginning of a stream is likely very high. Deeper into the stream when people are afk or tabbed out it's probably less so.

>>15555508
You also need to account for people who watched on their streaming devices like roku or apple TV, phone users who aren't logging in, and people who are not participating in the poll.

>>15555312
Then that means the EN cull has been continuously increasing over the past year until it hit 50% recently and they were not reclining unlike what the last samurais claim

>>15555193
Yeah but I'm subbed to that account and have linked them on ggg before. Sorry I guess.

>>15555555

>>15555334
>using it on a JP
There's your mistake, JP views aren't culled so what you see is what you get.

>>15555869
Anon, you can tell if someone is inclining or reclining by simply keeping track of their VOD views after the stream ends.

>>15555914
NUMBERS FOR THE NUMBERS GOD.

>>15555869
You can still see the decline in VODs and SCs, it's just not as big as the CCV decline. When Kiara or Bae or Ame is getting 50-70k on a VOD that's still real.

>>15555869
Why are you so fixated at that 50%?
>>15555932
>aren't culled
Then why use poll participation rates? What's your proof of it not getting culled?

Shuba Soba in stock at their other collab site
>>15555914
/hlgg/ has more numbers than the fucking numbers thread.

>>15555937
Good thing EN VODs have either been stable or inclining then huh, so much for that recline bullshit

>>15555501
views and superchats

>>15555992
No one tracks them. But the one thing people did track was Gura's 2nd outfit reveal VODs compared to her first.

>>15555991
well yeah, this is the schizo thread

>>15555914
>1 million views = $4000
roru rumao

>>15555986
>he doesn't know that Youtube removes HoloEN VODs too
How new?

>>15556038
>No one tracked them
ummmmm

>>15556070
No? It randomly but rarely ever happens and it's by a small amount.

>>15555339
Kek. Is she really that desperate for views?

>>15555991
>he doesnt know that numbers is the discussion thread and the discussion thread is the numbers thread

>>15556038
They tracked it in relation to it's position in time after the stream ended for both or they looked at the current total? Cuz the latter is sort of meaningless.

>>15555914
>Napster
>Tidal
How many of those other platforms pay out for non-music video views?

>>15555914
>music
not live streaming related

>>15556107
Is historical data available? I feel like peak CCV, vod views at stream end, and vod views at 10 days after (or so) would be good consistent data points.

All hail the new queens of /#/

>>15556140
I think it was time to 1 mil views. Was awhile ago so I'm not sure

>>15556195
It's more on topic in this thread than your post, anon. This is the Numbers thread, not the livestream thread.

>>15556205
Feel like VOD views beyond 24 hours are at the whims of a clip going viral, so some might have their uploads hyperinflated.

Gura's debut for instance, has 4m VODs. When she only had about 70k CCV for her debut.

>>15555339
Must be the management forcing her to do such thing.

>>15555991
>https://musically.com/2021/04/14/napster-now-has-5m-users-and-monthly-revenues-of-8m/
/hlgg/ also seems to be retarded enough to discuss that as if it mattered to anything not related to music, and even then maybe people should take into account how much views you can get on friggin Napster vs Youtube. /#/ isn't that stupid and actually has decent reading comprehension, right?

>>15556325
Gura in particular is a vod queen though. It's a good stat to track of you like her.

>>15556250
if we're reduced to numberfagging twitch whores then sodapoppin is the biggest vtuber

>>15555989
>Why are you so fixated at that 50%?
Just ignore him, it's a schizo. I am tired of his shit so I'm not engaging.

>>15556385
Yet no one bothered doing that to Gura's strongest metric second to subs despite the apparent amount of chumbuds in this thread.

>>15556205
I mean you can easily check and eyeball it which I agree is pretty messy and unscientific but nobody is autistically tracking these numbers like CCV. More evidence is shown from her Minecraft streams, they still are in the normal range of vod views within a week timframe which is from 400 - 500k and yet CCV has been reduced from late 2020 to early 2021

>>15556371
>/#/ isn't that stupid and actually has decent reading comprehension, right?

>>15555989
Burden of proof is on you to prove your allegations that JP is getting shit on as hard as EN is, EN can prove it by showing poll engagement rates that indicate their actual CCV is anywhere from 2x to 10x the displayed number, where's the proof this happens in JP?

>>15556205
Thing is, the people that actually DO numberfag this on their sites don't bother with it because they're retarded except for HoloStats, (and they're kinda retarded because they don't provide breakdown of VOD views), so we're stuck with playboard for it.

>>15556602
>10x
Please.
And here's proof if you assume that poll participation rates are 10% to 40% >>15555334

>>15556250
>Forgot Vaybay
She'll strike you down for this!

>>15556461
>You get called a coping chumfaggot if you even dare to discuss about vods per stream and the discussion boils down to "muh CCV is more relevant because vod viewers only need to watch 30 seconds to be counted"
gee I wonder why

>>15556407
Sodapoppin doesn't even use his model at all, it's only on debut that I've seen him stream on it.

>>15556681
>5k CCV
>10k polls
>10% poll participation rate = 100k viewers
You're right, I was wrong, the actual cap is 20x the displayed number

>false flagging schizos false flagging each other
This thread is hilarious.

90 mins before the stream chloe debut vs nju

>>15556959
Shit. It will be 140k and cull faggots will be blown the fuck out.

>>15557000
What if the waiting room has higher numbers than the live stream
Now that would be funny

>>15557000
There doesn't seem to be any difference in the waiting room numbers, cull is still very much real

Your numbers mean nothing because they are wrong.

>5853 watching now
>12,007 votes
>you can only vote if you are signed in.
>majority of viewers probably don't even interact even if they have an account.

I bet she has 20-30k+ current viewers.
I think Google is deliberately under representing their numbers so they don't have to pay their streamers more. I bet they also tell the streamers they get less ad views and then pocket the difference.
There would be no way for any of the streamers to know this was going on. The only ones that could audit it would be Google employees.

>>15557000
as a holobronie, i don't mind, last 2 golds was fucking disappointing.

Pekora fucking over an MK tourney or Toya penetrating top ten to save Riku's dignity was a lot more fun than yesterdays lame ass 25k gold

>>15557000
>Anon forgot rushia 42k waiting room and 39k ccv

>>15557199
who the fuck doesn't have a google account in 2022

Thread is relatively comfy all day with shades of panic over changing times and people doing actual research and numbers comparisons.
>morning in Jakarta
like fucking clockwork

>>15557199
>I think Google is deliberately under representing their numbers so they don't have to pay their streamers more.
makes sense

>>15557218
That was chirstmas pre "cull"
Rushia was so god awful people tuned out.

>>15557262
It is known. Euro hours, the slowest, tend to be the most productive since all the shitposters a s schizos are sleeping or at work. Early evening burger hours are when it starts to get kinda crummy and now we're in the full swing of shitpost season.

>>15557330
Yea. Rushia's sound settings made my ears bleed. Her drop makes sense if people just nope'd out.

>>15557330
Didn't Rosemi recently had a stream where she had more waiting room numbers than actual ccv numbers?

>>15557000
good, this thread has become unbearable after all the muh imaginary ccv cull. id take kneelposters and jp vs en timeloops over all these bs cope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xFvwcI9jOg
>overlapping the karaoke relay

>>15557218
>Rushia's karaoke
That was the worst non Haachama stream on that lineup. I honestly don't know why Cover lets their talent fend for themselves with regards to technical support (especially their Japanese talent).

>>15557199
this would make sense if Google made money with videos but they don't, the real money comes from companies buying telemetry data for targeted ads and farming people's data, if I were to guess

>>15557484

she is not the only one. ame will stream before her turn starts

Here's some numbers. Mio's yearly Tarot stream. Pic is last year. We're currently 20 minutes in this year's. Last year at 20 minutes she was at about 9k and still inclining. This year, 5k and slowly flatlining.
2020: https://holo.poi.cat/stream/Cjj2D5n_BJI
2021: https://holo.poi.cat/stream/Lg4mHEreJMM

>>15557475
I'm fucking sick of poll posters more than anything. They're like a dog with a bone.

>>15557484
It's already been explained by several HoloEN members, but there is NO expectation of 'no overlaps' for the relay.

>>15557257
Doesn't matter if you have one if you don't sign in with it.

>>15557590
It's not the same stream, she's not doing the actual readings until tomorrow

>>15557590

her stream is growing but is very, very slow. reminds me of shion stream earlier, it was like that as well

>>15557427
>>15557427
>>15557427
Thoughts?

>>15557257
>current year

>>15557841
Guess we'll see tomorrow then

>>15557590
that isnt the the tarot reading

>>15558066
>rrat
Go back to /rrat/ and stay there.

>>15558066
>come to our platform
>where no one will watch you
The other means of stealing talent would be wads of cash but judging by the size of Susan's proboscis I don't think she wants to do that more than she absolutely has to

>>15558066
I don't ever want to see the moronic opinion of a globalfag ever linked from this thread again

>>15558158
it's from global though

>>15558066
Honestly kind of believable

>>15558170
They already stolen a bunch of talent with wads of cash, if that take were true they'd be doing the opposite of what they're doing right now

>>15558170
Susan is absolutely willing to hand out loads of cash to entice twitch streamers to switch over.

>>15558193
Pretty sure Global is the rrat thread.

>>15558066
Honestly, Youtube debuffing their own numbers makes so little sense that we can only throw wild guesses as to why they do it. This rrat sounds stupid, but the possibility is non-zero.

>>15558335
i thought global was the drama thread

>lui and fbking will overlap the holo main thingy
Nijibros our gold is s secured

>>15558186
t. globalfag

>>15558409
No, that's the various Twitch related chuuba threads.

>>15558454
Pekora will too.

N-Nani!?

>>15558454

i'm just curious to see how much the holo main will drop in views compared to last year

>>15558629
>Aruran mogging NijiEN boys
What a world we live in!

>>15558629
Being saviorfagged by Gatchman...

>>15558454
>Lui
Does this matter?

>>15558629

Gatchaman + Phasmophobia, pretty big buff

So what's the verdict on this supposed "culling"? Verifiable or schizocope?

>>15558629
Yagoo made a deal with the devil.
Homostar will incline, the Hololive girls will suffer.
This is the future redditor chose.

>>15558788
Too early to tell, check back in two weeks.

>>15558788
Remains to be seen.

>>15558788
Seems likely, too much weirdness going on

>>15558788
I believe it right now, but there's still a chance I'm a coping schizo.

>>15558788
NJU will be the litmus test

It seems like cover doesn't want to place its eggs all in one basket all of a sudden.

>>15558454
>>15558524
man, after losing to kanae sub 26k gold, now this..
Holo gold domination is over

>>15558788
Pretty verifiable I'd say

>>15558960
unless its targeted at specific people

>>15558960
What if it gets like 60k or someshit? Do we just throw out all numbers but SCs for a while? Extrapolate from VODs?

>>15558968
And yet, you all laugh at them making a game

>>15555029
About that https://twitter.com/kakage0904/status/1476773322201657345 ....

>>15559006

And it's just the beginning. Lots of big Niji events in January!

Youtube will kill their users' numbers to make sure not a single bot could be included in the CCV count but let niggers like this spam the chat non-stop

>>15558788
Something is fucky, you just don't get 200% viewer participation in 16 minutes on a poll. But what exactly is going on and how widespread it is, is a different matter. I'd like to see some comparisons with non-vtuber streams and at any rate the Japanese are vacationing with their families right now, so I don't think all lost viewers are just because of Youtube.

>>15559061
kakage...

>>15559061
It's always the most rabid Holofans that get the worst results...

>>15559027
>What if it gets like 60k or someshit?
LMAO this is literally impossible.
It's more likely to get 100k within the first 5 minutes than stall at 60k.
We've seen the cull defeated before by sheer numbers, like Gura's 192k and Coco's 491k.
The hype for NJU this year is Koshien level.
https://twitter.com/RindouMikoto/status/1475783586401992710

>>15559061
https://twitter.com/kakage0904/status/1476790649404137472

Mio hard stalling at 6.4k, jesus christ

>>15559061
He already sold out anonchama.
https://twitter.com/kakage0904/status/1476790649404137472

>>15559159
>>15559176
Nice, great for him

>>15559154
Not anymore lol
https://twitter.com/kakage0904/status/1476790649404137472

>>15559061
>>15559145
>>15559154
https://twitter.com/kakage0904/status/1476790649404137472

He sold out tho.

>>15559145
Sold out already but he just ignored that tweet

>>15559089
This, and holo no longer able to win on a no event day like usual now
Everyday would be battle for sub 30k gold

>>15559225
>>15559227
>reading comprehension
I didn't say he wasn't going to sell out.

>>15559155
That is bullshit. Nobody cares about Nijishitty. Go back to your hole Nijinigger.

HOLOX OUTFIT REVEAL WOULD BE LOWER THAN POLKA'S

>>15559160
What's her normal chatting numbers?

>>15559348
Try not to kill yourself when it gets a 150k+ peak today, tribalfag

https://www.melonbooks.co.jp/search/search.php?mode=search&search_disp=&chara=&orderby=popular&disp_number=100&pageno=1&text_type=all&name=%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%AB%E3%83%A6%E3%83%BC%E3%83%81%E3%83%A5%E3%83%BC%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC+%E3%82%B3%E3%83%9F%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B1%E3%83%83%E3%83%8899&fromagee_flg=0&search_target_all=0&additional_all=1&is_second_hand%5B%5D=1&is_second_hand2=1&is_end_of_sale2=1&co_name=&ci_name=&sale_date_before=&sale_date_after=&publication_date_before=&publication_date_after=&price_low=0&price_high=0&disp_number=100

Please correct me if I use the wrong filter, but this should be the ranking of Vtuber related doujins from C99 that sold at Melonbooks. Full with Hololive with some Lulu and Sister Claire.

There is no cull. Cope. It's just hololive that is declining.

>>15554734
>gura wa fucked

>>15559377
Very consistently 9k to 11k

>>15555029
He's still a faggot Lui's original design was better Cover is also faggots Lui should have at least had long hair to keep the MILF aspect.

>HoloEN superchat 2020
>top 5
1) USD - ¥63,945,226 / $555,545
2) CAD - ¥7,240,742 / $92,100
3) EUR - ¥5,424,226 / $47,124
4) JPY - ¥5,015,356 / $63,793
5) AUD - ¥4,880,894 / $42,404
TWD and KRW are pretty low last year. hopefully, that nip is numberfagging it again.

>>15559377
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/mio
Mio essentially only does talking and singing streams.
Rarely games on her own channel nowadays.

I'm calling it now, NJU will not break 50k, just like Kanata's live.

>>15559441
True, petra not breaking 1k as usual

I want predictions, how long until we get our first sub 20k gold? It's actually inevitable at this point.

>>15559426
should have searched with すべてのストア option ticked but yeah holo utterly dominates the list

Any number under 100k would be 100% confirmation of a cull. Higher than that and we can argue for as much as we want

>>15559441
Let me guess...
He's at Monika, right nijisister?

>>15559426

holy fuck the sister claire doujins always look great. not a nijifan but AMEN

>>15559647
>Lamy can't even beat Miko
what now gokikeks I thought gen 5 was a success?

>>15559761
Beating reddit duck tho

>>15559761
>>15559825
>2020

>>15559761

beating mori tho

>>15559761
This is last year's retard, Lamy is 3rd this year unless somehow Kanata, Pekora or Marine get $100k today

>>15559761
Beating Gawr Gura tho

>>15559647
>2020
What was the point of this post?

>>15558454
fbk will overlap 2 hour at most, since drifloon will appear only on friday until 20PM jst

>>15559835
>>15559866
>seething last samurais baited

>>15559647
Oh no no no no mythkeks! Beaten by gen5 lol lmao based dope superlit

>>15559891

cope

>>15559504
It always surprises me how little they get in euro superchats. Like almost as many AUD as euros. And yeah I know timezones and shit but SEK is the same timezone and is somehow a tenth of euros despite there being several hundreds millions more using euros than SEK

prepare the kneels

>>15559159
HAG POWER

>>15559891
>L-last samurai

>>15559938
Europoor is not a meme

>>15559835
You know HoloEN debut on September 2020 right?

>>15560061

Can you just forgive the faggots who can't read "2020" at the top and move on instead of starting dumb shit like this

>>15557475
>t. cocksucking google employer

When this gets 150k+ will these cull posters shut up or will they get more hardline?

>>15559227
>>15559825
>>15559835
>>15559866
*though

>>15559647
By the way this year's top 10 (before today's streams)
>Rushia - $1,685,992
>Coco - $1,465,968
>Lamy - $978,237
>Kanata - $894,557
>Pekora - $891,989
>Marine - $870,207
>Calliope - $791,841
>Nene - $735,987
>Kiara - $699,387
>Watame - $648,598

>>15560294
If this gets 150k+, it doesn't prove that there's no JP cull, since we saw many instances of lower than normal numbers already.
It just proves that Niji events are still fucking strong and culls didn't stop it.

OH NO NO NO HOLOBROS

>>15560404

kek

Does anyone have HoloX debut waiting room numbers 10 mins before it started?

>>15560404
I'm only seeing 28k...

>>15560404
>waiting

>>15560366
I see the cope has already started lql

>>15560404
Dafuq youtube?

>>15560404
B-B-But the c-cull that somehow specifically target Holo only and leaving Niji numbers mostly intact (a few thousands to at most nearly dozen thousands lowered for some due to End of Year effect, but nothing too glaringly suspicious)...

>>15560404
People actually falling for this
The fucking state

>>15560527

>>15560445
>>15560482
Ignore the faggot and his fake screenshots

>>15560553
s-sugoi, i kneel

>>15560553
JESAS

>>15560578
It's beating sora

peak waiting numbers

>Kronii goes from chatting to SC reading, loses 500 viewers (7k to 6.5k)
I've actually never seen such a small drop.
It usually halves within a minute, but I guess there's nothing else to watch rn for EOPs.

>>15560648
>>15560600
You've seen nothing. This is NijiEN's true power.

>>15560756

cull fags btfo

HOLOBROS HOW ARE YOU COPING

>>15560713
If it's from playing games to reading SC then of course, but I don't see big difference for chatting and reading SC.

>>15560883
makes no polical or cultural sense to cull everyone without bias

Holy fuck 80k already, CULL FAGS BTFO HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>15560890
sorry, but there's no copium left in the store

hololive is absolute dead

Ironmouse passed Pikamee. Ange closing in on Risu.

>>15560883
Last year's with a third of the members got 120k, anything under 150k this time is a failure and proof the cull exists

>>15556486
If you had a site that listed current vod views on as few pages as possible, you could use archive.md
Doesn't bring back the historical data, but it would be useful in the future.

5 minutes in and we already have an arab and a troon, sasuga niji

10万どりゃああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ

This stream is on track to beat last years NJMF, I wonder what holocope these holobronies are gonna shit out

>Already 93k, well on the way to exceed last year by far
Cullfags? Are you okay?

100k

looks like nju will beat pecker's outfit

100K GET!

>>15559155
>It's more likely to get 100k within the first 5 minutes than stall at 60k.
Lmao called it. 7 mins is faster than I expected actually.

It already passed 100k
Kek cullfags

>>15560883
https://livecounts.io/youtube-live-view-counter/J2nMpqwaPIM
Weird? So youtube still needs to approve vod number?

the people at youtube are doing it the smart way
they knew it would be to blatant to cull big nijisanji event

101k 7 minutes in, god damn

My fucking knees

Link it. I want to see.

>>15561189

https://youtu.be/J2nMpqwaPIM

This thread is going to be terrible

>>15561189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2nMpqwaPIM

KNEEL

>>15561189
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2nMpqwaPIM

108k in 10 mins and still climbing.

last year started at 7pm JST (JP primetime)
https://twitter.com/2434rankings/status/1343893964571570179?lang=en
2021 first half 3:30pm

>>15561212
I want to see the cope people come up with. I'm a holofan myself but I know when there is cope and this cull nonsense is clearly cope since this will obviously surpass last year's numbers by a lot.
I still wonder how Hololive lost like 40% of it's audience in a week though.

>>15561088
relax schizo, if there is a cull it's obviously targeted at specific girls due to things like holox getting 80m views in a month

I don't know if there's a good Niji site for this but for a graph I'm refreshing this https://vrabi.ml/video/J2nMpqwaPIM

Welp, congrats to NIjisister for the last gold of this year

The cull is fake, then how in the bloody hell did Holo lose so many viewers overnight?

>>15561281
It has 3 times as many performers as last year, of course it'll surpass it. But if it doesn't surpass it by a lot that's a failure compared to what should be expected

>>15561279
Because of their view bots.

HOLOBROS, AIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE BUT MUH CULL COPE, MUH LIKES, AIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15561279
If you really think that Youtube give enough of a fuck to target specific users / channels (who, by the way, are nowhere nearly the very top among streamers), you are the schizo

>>15561342
pakora

>>15561212
Just skip the bait posts and focus on the people who are talking about numbers.

Also, jeez about to break last year's peak within 15 mins.
I'm still standing by my 160k peak prediction, but I feel like I might have underestimated it.

>>15561351
Naw, it still reeks of cope.

>120k

>>15561371
There's plenty of examples and for much smaller reasons, Steven Crowder and Joe Rogan for example

https://playboard.co/en/live/top-viewing-all-live-in-worldwide
Sorry pastor, NO MERCY!

>>15561379
Fuck off schizo it's a nothing burger that just happened to take place where the viewer loss started

>>15561351
Now this is pure copium

It's dropping lol

>>15561379
冷チキン...

cull is still real, there's actually 250k watching NJU now

>>15561371
This.

>>15561406
It immediately went down when they heard Belmond’s horrible singing. Kek

>>15561351
Ignore the cope posts, surpassing last year is the easiest prediction of the year to make.
58 fucking livers man.

>>15561379
I'm starting to believe

>>15561371
wasn't there some drama between a content creator and a higher up at either youtube or twitch telling his workers to cull the guy or something?

>>15561458
Their biggest guns aren’t out yet

>>15561470
lol this is the exact (You) I was expecting, thanks for reading my mind anon

>120k for niji
>bad singing
>3k goes out

It'll recover I'm sure but kek this is funny in the moment

>117K
AH YES there it is. the temporal plateu

>>15561514
Who? Pewdiepie? Sounds like rrats.

>>15561532
Fucking funny how when bel started singing shit started to drop a bit

>>15561532
Belmond..

>>15561458
It went to "dropping a bit and stagnated" phase until something will push the number again

>>15561532

thanks for this belmond

I didn’t know Belmond is this bad at singing...

>>15561555
Probably the cull. Kek

>>15561532
Why is it coming out of Sasaki Saku's mouth?

noel should fucking kneel to Belmond

>>15561514
it's well documented at this point that all of the big social media sites are meticulously targeting individuals for their opinions after who they put their money on didn't win the presidency

>>15561532
They started with Furen, Ib and Melissa and followed up with Belmond and Sakura lol.
I'm surprised it didn't drop more.

It'll be interesting to see if the numbers change when the real 2-views come out.

that drop is weird it slowed down the growth significantly.

Also what the fuck is that mouth tracking on belmont

>>15561532
Belmond...

we’re back bros

>Bel stops singing
>numbers recover
kek

I'd still bang Belmond ngl

>>15561623
God Emperor buff kek

>>15561342
People have said it multiple times. It's entirely possible that it's just a matter of the natural End of Year effect. Both EOP (whom Holo has a lot more than Niji) and JOP would be busy with real life obligations. Nips salarymen are heading home at 9-11PM instead of their usual 7-9 because they try to finish work before New Year or they are busy partying with friends. EOPs are away visiting families and partying. It's nothing suspicious that everyone's numbers would be affected to various extents, and a drop between few thousands and a dozen thousand (give or take a few thousands) shouldn't automatically be the sign of a new cull. Some Niji's numbers dropped, too, but but Nijifans are at least less prone to blaming a cull without really concrete evidence (especially when people from same branch / group - in other words, similar audience and audience behaviors - don't even seem to be affected similarly)
That's why a few people, both Holo and Niji fans, have been calling to wait until mid-Jan to see if numbers keep being low. But no, cullfags keep screaming as if a dataset of mere two days was enough to make any educated speculation.

>>15561586
kek just realized that

Its ok holobros, we already had this year's gold. We dont need to cope anymore.

Tracking reps....

im interested to see the demographics for the niji audience, i know they gave data before but did they ever release an updated version?

Now holobros are gonna make up conspiracies about only hololive being culled but not the others

>>15561342
Broken holobots

Some different numbers

>>15561699
nijisister, this is numbers
take your bully victim mentality elsewhere or talk about numbers

Holy fuck. Nijifags are happy with this shit numbers? Hololive is more successful than Nijishitty this year anyway

>>15561553
no it wasnt pewdiepie

>>15561726
Pomu...

You're welcome, Nijisanji.

>>15561664
I'm curious if the fans' demographic affects the number too. I believe Niji fans are teenagers and Holo fans are young adults and office workers or I'm wrong?

Did NJU last year overlapped with Holo's year end event too? Because surprisingly, both got 100k+

>>15561699
See >>15561295
Seems to work for our purposes.

>>15561746
Absolute cope, where’s your shitty ass cull excuses?

>>15561715
was always the case, why would you cull something that wasn't performing better than what your long held beliefs state they should perform

>>15559871
set up for his own retarded shitpost
>15559761

>Half the company is doing a concert
>Still streaming
Haruka...

Also, Iroha and Kronii lost 0 viewers to NJU, which means 2 things.
1) Not much overlap
2) Holos still have a giant normie pool to expand their audience in

>>15561586
>>15561665
Probably because the orca just murdered her and made her bleed.

>>15561746
Enjoy being popular with EOPs and filthy fat otaku. Niji will settle with the normal JP audience.

The number should incline now

so how long does this last?
doesnt look like it will break any record yet

>>15561726
Who is Lisa Sansouci?

pestily is too strong bros

>>15561846
it just broke last years of 120k kek

>Niji resorting to hiring dancers
I could trust Aiba, but not the others

so the cull theory was just wrong, huh

>>15561898
i mean for biggest streams not last year only.

>>15561919
Wrong thread, anon

>>15561949
nope, no one ever said Rindou Mikoto, whoever that was, was culled

>>15561949
Culltards BTFO

>>15561880
Some travel streamer.

>>15561919
they're still all over the place, i think this is just good choreography

>>15561726
Pomumama..

>>15561949
it always was cope

So there was no cull and it's literally just HoloJP reclining? EN and ID branches seem to be doing fine.

>>15561919
Everyone else still looks like shit next to Aiba so I believe it's them lmao

134k 27 mins in, still climbing.

>>15561846
Many hours, there's a part 2 coming up too. We all know it'll peak during Chronoir or VirtualToLive in the end anyways.

>>15561514
It wouldn't surprise me if some dev at youtube japan was a nousagi pissed at the cold chicken on his table

>>15561846
There is another 2nd part in 3 hours (JP prime time). This one already broke its record last year (130k, it's at 134k and rising right now), 2nd part will likely do even better.

Can't anyone organize test streams to try and see how numbers work for good?

>>15562054
why do you guys talk to yourselves.
all numbers except live viewers point to holojp performing better than normal

200k would've been a perfectly reasonable prediction for this, just because it still gets a big number doesn't mean it hasn't been culled from an even bigger number

>>15562054
Maybe? The question is the recline is temporary because of the new year thingy or actually permanent?

Can Yagoo poach Uiha please, I sick with SOVL dancing

>>15562143
Now THIS IS COPE

>>15561342
Susan doing God's work by reaping the sovlless viewerbots made by that faggot Yagoo and his tranny subordinate Omega

>>15562128
Is it the "Muh VOD views" cope's turn again now?

>>15562143
Mind-boggling amounts of cope

>>15561996
>whoever that was
Some slut or something.

>>15562143
The only way to tell is if the CCV tracks with comparable streams by checking their VOD.

>>15562195
all numbers, every metric

>>15562143
Is hard to pint point about it, is gonna do better but is impossible to tell if it could have done better.

>>15562054
holiday debuff just hit late for JP.
it's Christmas to NYE for EN
it's just the last few days of work for JP

Depending on where they'll end the first part, it might funnel viewers into Hololive's event at 6pm

THE DESTROYER OF HOLONUMBERS
ENTER CHICKEN

>>15562143
holy mother of cope kek

>>15562143
This is on par with the current Holocope

>>15562143
I was expecting 160k so who knows

>>15562219
Which is why drawing a conclusion from one stream is retarded, not like that'll stop the mongoloids in here

Holobros, who are we blaming?

>>15562195
Everything else did not fall off a cliff except CCV.
Explain.

Love how the livecount has landed in the grey zone where it's impossible to say one way or the other. This will keep the thread going on about it for another two days or so.

>>15562269
its afternoon jp time man wait till prime time

>>15562291
(You)

140k

Is this normal?

>>15562287
oh i agree. I mean rindou had a utawaku yesterday and couldnt break 2k.
so i think the numebrs for this might be bigger than it actually shows

>>15562306
Holiday season means more people are busy and can't catch the livestreams on time, so they just watch the VODs later.

>>15562391
Yeah becasue it is mostly tourists. so vods will take time to validate each user.

>As long last...
>No king rule forever anon

The reason I think why Hololive wouldn't do a year end all member's music festival is because if they did that, it'll lower the hype for Holofest. Also. Hololive had all year long live 3D concerts for members either for Birthdays or Anniversaries.

HOLOBRONIES, HOW ARE WE COPING?

>>15562209
Comparing VOD views is just as (if not more) unreliable unless both streams are under extremely similar, if not identical circumstances.
For example, people are busy at the end of the year, so they might jump in a stream for a minute or two before switching off. Each time someone does that, that's an extra view. However, ultimately, that's only one viewer / CCV (and when he is off, he isn't contributing to CCV). People are less busy during, for example, Oct, so they get to sit through the streams and less prone to switching it on and off, so a person contribute fewer views.

>>15562391
Clearly a glitch so who cares.
This VOD will get 2-3 mil VOD views by tomorrow anyways.

my knees…

>>15562306
Case in point in SCs
Pekora still gets consistent SCs despite the "yab"
https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/channel/UC1DCedRgGHBdm81E1llLhOQ.html

>>15562479
by patiently waiting for more information

This kills the hololive

>yfw the Hololive New Year special doesn't come close to breaking 100k

>>15562391
VOD views have always been taking ages to validate. That's why you generally wait one or two hours, sometimes several hours, before looking at a stream's VOD

>>15562607
Pomu's best number in a long time.

>>15562584
Yeah it's just a variety show, if they gave away Holofes for free it'd get twice this easily

>00:26 ~ 0036
Was that a stall? Took a while and then suddenly jumped after that.

Pic related.

>>15562584
isnt it a variety show?

>>15562392
HOLY COPE

>>15562291
>Pekora for not streaming on Christmas Eve
>Fubuki for sucking everyone's numbers
>Towa for setting up debuff MK tournament
>Miko for killing Minecraft arc

While reading cope is delicious, I'll just left this thread until tonight. Abayo /#/!!

>>15562584
It won't get to 100k, it's just a variety show.

>>15562683
Unpopular livers doing a performance.
It inclines during the interview/talking parts in between because people are tuning in to see if their favourites are performing.

Almost at 150K views, yeah this cull is cope. Pakora killed Hololive. Holostars EN will be the final gura killer and kill off the rest of Hololive.

>>15562644
She had 4.3k during a stream about 1.5weeks ago

>>15562644
In like two weeks

>>15562778
>>15562584
It will, NJU will funnel viewers to Hololive's event after they finish with part 1

>>15562858
Absolute fucking cope

>>15562874
Can't handle the truth, eh? My predictions will always become true. I won a local lottery a few months ago.

>Koyori - 4k
>Okayu - 3k
>Haachama - 3k
>Sora - 2.3k
>Chloe - 1.8k

Apart from Iroha on 11.2k, Holo is embarassing right now.

>>15562858
It won't.

Here’s the 2nd mini cull

Pekomama got 130k just after the last cull, a big stream getting big numbers doesn't disprove the existence of a cull.

>>15562560
Bots can't superchat, anon

>>15562958
jesus christ this thread

Now expect 150k after this unit finishes

>>15562923
We say that to Nijis every other night though

>>15562480
Youtube knows when you watch portions of a video, and counts them as a single view.
For livestreams it doesn't matter how many times you tab out / click away it's only one view.
different devices count for separate views but I think there's a hard cap on daily views on a single video, i think it's 5.

The cope from holobronies is going to be delicious.

>>15562998

hololive being slowly killed

Damn, that huge number looks so nice on Nijimado. Add the Pomu to it and it already broke 150k too.

Now it's coming out of Kuzuha's mouth...

>>15563016
Shush anon, let these nijifaggots celebrate as we destroy them next year until they’re forced to shut down their black company that will foce these faggots to cope everyday until they rope themselves

>>15563055
>is going to be
you already have it in this entire fucking thread retard

Can you post that graph for overall holo/niji viewers? Forgot the link.

>>15562818
One stream potentially not being touched out of hundreds doesn't prove shit

>>15563125
kek

>>15563040
I posted this before months ago. 1 viewer/account is one view per stream until it's fully watched. Then it's 5 daily VOD views per video.

>>15562998
So this is how Hololive dies, to thunderous POMU

Shouldn't this stream be close to 200k at this point if there is no fuckery? Pretty much all of the nijifans are watching but it can't even come close to baseball. I feel like they should be better

>>15563102
And it's connected to Rindou's horn.

>>15563125
what website is this?

>>15563055
you literally act like you have considered suicide on many occasion, you know when we take the piss out of all the times nijisisters have come in here and then embarassed their company they were supposed to be fans of; we were only joking.
this isn't Celtic vs Rangers, it's number thread

>>15563125
SUPERIOR NIHONJIN GENES KILL THE GAYJIN USING HOLOBRONIES

>>15562998
The END..