/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>25,498: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>22,104: Iroha (Hololive)
>20,347: Fubuki (Hololive)
>20,210: Laplus (Hololive)
>19,532: Choco (Hololive)
>18,949: Pekora (Hololive)
>18,819: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>15,874: Fubuki (Hololive)
>14,697: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>14,637: Marine (Hololive)
>12,000: Subaru (Hololive)
>11,238: Chloe (Hololive)
>10,958: Korone (Hololive)
>10,698: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>10,263: Chloe (Hololive)

>Amelia is leading all chuubas in viewers right now
oh no no no my fellow last samurai. It looks like since EN and JP are on an even playing field now that EN is going to mog us everyday. We have let down Grorious Nippon!!!

10k get

replying to bait should be a banneable offense

>>15540840
how can you even keep spamming this take meds for once

>>15540784
As usual, Holos dominated but the numbers are so fucking low. That Kanae, Iroha, and Laplus streams should easily reach at least 35k.

>>15540899
Good to know that getting over it is still a buff game

people who unironically believe this is because of pekora should kill themselves, you have to understand that just like chumkeks, nousagifags only watch pekora and no one else, so other chuubas shouldn't have been affected

i have another theory regarding the viewer culling. i think they might have done similar to what they do to filter vod views but in their live view queues.
You know wen the debut happen and they have like 90k+ ccv but end up with 4k vod views at the end?
that happens becasue youtube is fitlering the new users, unsuscribed ones, spam ones, etc
I think a simialr deal is happening right now with ccv.
I alwasy saw how nijis with high ccv usually gain vod views in the first 1hr slower than some holos with lower one or the same ccv.
iroha vs kanae totsu yesterday is an example.
Hell you caneven watch any niji vod views and compare it to a holo witht he same CCV and you will see what im talking about.
i think that "unsuscribed people" watching the stream are taking longer to validate right now. this is wy fubuki is the only one hittin 20k on pokemon without shiny hunting right now as she mademost of her tourist suscribe.
Pekora once said that like 40% of her viwers are not suscribed too. So it might have been a new filter put on mobile users or everyone.

if this follows the same rules as vods then we might see a slow incline on ccv as days go by until return to normal numbers. But big events that attract tourist might not be breaking records or not at the level we have seen before for a while.Hence why toya and both totsus were so low today.

>>15540899
>no cull
Looks like everything is in order. I'm sick of this cull cope. Just admit numbers are down you dipshits.

>>15540840
good seaboy, show that pride!

>>15540784
these numbers give me depression, can i sue susan for emotional damages

AND of course Ame disables SC

ame 10.2k ccv, 33k vod views
iroha 8.1k ccv, 45k vod views

>>15540964
Yeah, the most glaring ones are definitely the totsu both Iroha and Kanae held at the same time when they would have easily been above 30k and even potentially break 40k.

>>15540995
Retard.

>>15540995
The cull has been disproportionally hitting JPs only so far, though, an Ame stream tells us nothing

>>15540988
that theory does make some sense, is there anybody else doing sub-only chats?

>peaked at 7k
>Vod views is now 178k
migo...

>>15541143
It hit EN last year and its hitting JP this year. They are on an even playing field now and EN is getting better viewership. EN was stronger all along just like we have been trying to tell everybody for the entire year.

>>15541143

you know guys I'm starting to think there hasn't been a cull.

>>15541265
nice try en cuck

>>15541178
I watch just about every Migo stream and she usually hits 12-15k for her karaoke streams. Her only getting 7k is a bit unusual I will admit.

>>15541071
They're still live, anon. It's good to keep track of the VOD, but remember that data for streamers is processed all over the world and the info may be handled at a different rate/pace simply just from slight differences in hardware, location and other random shit.

>>15541071
EN fans are global and most of them are still asleep, Ame will mog Iroha in VODs after 24 hours

>>15541172
many do BUT fubuki was tourist trap for long enough with a high chat usage.

>>APOLOGIZE TO WATAME FOR MAKING FUN OF HER 3D LIVE NUMBERS!
Do it! Or she’ll never give the numbers back!

>DO IT NOW!

>>15540988
Why are EN vtubers and EN normal streamers disproportionally less affected then?

>>15541638
EN vtubers are being culled in the same way but the EN cull went into effect Dec. 2020. They just applied it to JP streamers this year.

>>15541432
unless both those streams end up with the same time length, comparing their processing vod views is the best we can do. All I know is that ENs used to be the one with smaller ccv against the same vod views, now JPs have become that.
ame 11.0k ccv 35k vod views
iroha 9.1k ccv 52k vod views
i cant keep on doing this is the last

>>15541638
JP viewers hate to subscribe their non-oshi vtubers compared to EN viewers?

>>15541638
becasue they have less unsuscribed people watching we are talking about EN. they pretty much invented the culture of "like, suscribe and leave a coment"
Japanese can be half asses to suscribe or even put a like.

>>15541211
Last year it hit the JPs too.

>>15541725
Just tracking them after they finish streaming is enough. Similar CCV and video length to control for, and then track the VOD's on a regular basis to check for discrepancies.

>>15540988
If Nijimain does especially bad that would be a pretty good indicator for this

>>15541725
VOD just means a viewer who stopped by, doesn't mean they stayed for long. Could be just someone checking in to see her progress then left, then later come back, repeat, and that gets the VOD up. Those watching Ame would most likely stay to watch her rage then just stop by now and then, so VOD views aren't even a good metric.

>>15541725
>now JPs have become that
Good
Now gold fight would be either sub 30k or gura stream

>>15541863
>last samurai cope
JP never got their viewers halved like EN did

>>15541863
it did, but to a smaller scale than ens

>>15541692
It's nowhere near the same method. JP streamers were affected, some greatly, by last year's change, but most somewhat less so than EN. EN streamers are affected by this year's change. It's very obviously not because of the same change.

>>15542093
HoloEN - 37%
HoloJP - 26%
Nijisanji - 18%

>>15542147
>HoloEN - 37%
50%, Gura went from 46k to 25k overnight

ame juking viewers with her fake ending shenanigans again...

>best performing solo non mincraft stream in ages
>let's do fake out endings
Why does Ame hate numbers so much?

>>15542280
Sasuga anti numberfag prime

>>15542280
I mean, she hates numbers so this is to be expected.

>Shion likes keep going up
>still stuck at 4.5k

>>15542387
2view mentality

>>15542387
She started out as a 2view on twitch and still misses having smaller viewerbase

>>15542387
I mean do you really want her to try to bait numbers like Kiara and Pomu?

>>15542826
it would be nice for her to not actively sabotage them at least

>>15542826
She doesn't need to try, she gets numbers naturally. Ame literally sabotages her audience growth.

SOMEONE PLEASE SAVE POLKA....PLEASE!!

>>15542878
Based Susan killing viewbots. Keep up the good work!

>>15542088
they do now

>>15540998
japan hates seanig

>V-VOX BROS…
What went wrong? Was if collabing with the girls?

I had hope he would be the HoloEN killer. Now all my hope is on Mysta

When is the next Subaru Yakuza stream again?
If she can get 20k again, then I guess numbers are back to normal.
Otherwise, I'm worried.
A CCV algo change is much more devastating to numbers in the long run than a few days of people being busy.

so what im taking from this is that youtube is now trying to kill the CCV meta?

>>15542878
Look at that drop, guess we'll have to double Lamy and Polka's numbers for the last year too to get the "real" numbers, and even quadruple them after the Dec 29th change.

>>15543064
>Was if collabing with the girls?
Absolutely, the girls are a debuff

>>15543064
Burger hours their main audience is sea/nip females.

>>15543073
She finished the main story for Y0, not going to get particularly high numbers for sidequests. She's planning to play Y2 in a week or two I think but that game isn't as popular as Y0.

>>15543073
didnt she finished already?

>>15542963
Pagliagi....

>>15543064
>>15543195
Man, their metrics are going to be royally fucked.

>>15543064
nijibros... not like this...

>>15541631
I didn't make fun of them, I was one of the first ones to point out that such low numbers for a Holo 3D meant there's a good chance Youtube fucked something up

* streams over 10k so far, starting after midnight JST *
Did Pekora beat Sans?

>>15542260
Gura isn't the whole of EN.

>>15543320
chumbuds disagree with that statement

>>15543315
nope
>undertale beating toya zatsu
jesas

>>15542260
>50%, Gura went from 46k to 25k overnight
I calculated the averages of her streams from before and after the cull. 40k in the weeks prior, 30k in the weeks after. 46k->25k is not what happened.

I also found this stream that has been going on for 9716 hours.
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/k4-C8jpjybE

>>15543195
Except that his non burger hour Brawlhalla collab with Rosemi and Nina did about the same. His only collab in the past few days that did well was ironically during Burger hour with Selen and Reimu, though still not as high as his solo CCV. Also inb4 every hour is burger hour.

>>15540986
>you have to understand that just like chumkeks, nousagifags only watch pekora and no one else,
That's demonstrably false. You can look at intersections between unique chat posters and see that Pekora isn't proportionally more isolated than your average holo in terms of fanbase.

Thread theme
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqwp-W9Au08&feature=youtu.be

>>15543353
My biggest amazement is Toya failing to beat 20k. He usually ***opens*** at 20k.

That stream costed him the #1 in median for the month assuming Ayame isn’t streaming today and he isn’t streaming over 35k today.

>>15543400
Is this the Fubuki effect? Decent-to-high CCV until she collabs with Oga, and then people just strangely choose not to watch.

>>15543449
>That stream costed him the #1 in median for the month assuming Ayame isn’t streaming today and he isn’t streaming over 35k today.
This is actually too funny.
Reminds me of the month Ayame "won" with an 86k median from her 1 3D live stream that month.

>>15543563
Only on the nip chart. Mine has a 5 streams threshold for the month.
She won (IIRC) September with 5 streams tho.

>>15543449
>Koyori 55 streams
>Iroha 54 streams
>Chloe 49 streams
>Laplus 40 streams
Jesus all of HoloX streamed as much as Fubuki this month.
Koyori almost averaging 2 streams a day.

>>15543449
>Just hours from midnight.
Does Ayame have a stream on schedule yet?

Night-time action in Namibia: Went from 1700 to 2002 after rare animals appeared. Is this in line with the usual, Namibiabros?

>>15544022
Was usually at 2.5k, either reclined or got culled

>>15543989
>Ayame
>streaming unnecessarily
kek

Today's superchats

>>15543847
I love the hardworking pink coyote's thirst for numbers.

>>15544257
Why 12k for Kson?

>>15543449

>>15544257

That top 2 is nostalgic

>>15544022
I thought that was a fucking eye.

>>15544296
she has a chating stream

Unironically, if JP is finally seeing the same rollout of CCV changes that EN saw and this isn't just people projecting onto a few odd numbers, I don't know what that does for the perception of vtubing on the whole.

The easy and safe narrative to this point has been "EN is declining, but vtubing is as strong as ever," despite whatever evidence exists to the contrary. Now we could be entering a period where chuubas on the whole get their numbers slashed everywhere and suddenly what Cover has been advertising to sponsors and investors as a booming company with a growing foothold in an expanding market disappears overnight. I don't get how in the fuck that even remotely helps Youtube present itself as an ideal platform for these companies to do their business on, but it wouldn't be the first idiotic thing they did in spite of the people using their platform.

>>15544257
>the top 4 didnt even had 10k ccv except for chloe

>>15544257
Is it over for Chloe?

>>15544339
>if JP is finally seeing the same rollout of CCV changes that EN saw
>>15542878

>>15544427
>silverboy only sees a 15% drop
holobros...

>>15544339
>suddenly what Cover has been advertising to sponsors and investors as a booming company with a growing foothold in an expanding market disappears overnight.
Nijis have been getting sponsorships and shit in 2019 when numbers were far worse than they are now.
There's no need to worry about Cover's money, worry about the girls' sanities instead.

>>15544339
Cover doesn't advertise CCV, anon. Only subs and I think VOD views. They basically skirted this issue by virtue of incompetence (or a really smart marketing team)

>>15544257
Coco really doesn't need hololive or views.

>>15544469
Marin dipped 35% though

>>15544339
CCV doesn't really matter as long as it isn't doing anything to VOD views. As long as people view the ads that's the purpose of the advertisements. What it does is depress fan interest and excitement. I do believe Youtube's severe undercutting of ENs apparent numbers also triggered their actual real decline, as people started to believe less people were interested in vtubing, leading them to also lose interest in it. Whether we'll see this with Japanese vtubers is yet to be seen. They'll already overcame as smaller cull and came back strong than ever as 2021 went on.

>>15544488
Cover has other metrics they can use for advertisers. But man this has to fuck with the girls heads. Not even just HL or Niji but 2views probably feel it even more. YT fucking with their basic metrics and algorithm is so incredibly annoying but that's always been Google's MO. They don't give a shit. Jimmy Fallon is going to be on trending no matter what!

What's the appeal of Coco/Kson for superchatters? She doesn't have the same energy as other top superchat succubi like rushia, lamy or chloe. What is her strategy to farm these sweet numbers and why aren't more people exploiting it?

>>15544581
She's actually funny during superchat reading/zatsu, sometimes even gave some life lesson

>>15544258
Honestly wish she wasn't this much of a tryhard because her numbers are trending down and tryhard numberfags with mediocre numbers are depressing.

>>15544257
And the runners up, a ridiculously stacked day today, if Youtube says people weren't watching vtubers today they sure had the time to give them money apparently

>>15544488
This, as long as sponsorships keep doing well they're going to keep getting them. Applies to both Niji and Holo, there's enough room in the JP domestic market for the both of them.

>>15544538
>What it does is depress fan interest and excitement.
Anon, outside of this thread (and even in this board) nunberfaggng is super frowned upon.

Numberfags are usually used in the same sentence as “antis and tribalfags”.
Very few people in the wide audience even know the magnitude of the numbers or how they compare to each other or to other niches

>>15544642

>Honestly wish she wasn't this much of a tryhard

yeah she should take notes with council

>>15544642
She actually has a chance to incline, it feels like she's trying to farm subs and vod views more than ccv.

>>15544296
She read superchats. From back in Coco's days the big paying fans have been conditioned to donate during SC reading for the banter to the point that they joke about it being "honhe", or "the main part". The reason her SC is less this month is simply because she hasn't been doing as much reading as usual.

>>15544128
Actually peaked at 2200 with an oryx licking a salt stone after I posted. Now that the oryx left, reclined back below 2000.

>>15544581
I've watched Hololive for two whole years and I still don't understand what is Coco's appeal.

>>15544664
I have a theory that Susan fears the pretty 2D girls. Guy vtubers are just catching a stray.

>>15544664
NTA, but the numberfagging you're speaking off is stupid /#/ shit like Pekora vs Gura, Holo vs Niji...etc.
The general public does numberfag big numbers, like "oh shit we got 100k people in here!" and it definitely does drive more excitement and hype.
Youtubers are more likely to click on VODs and clips with more views than less views, it's one of the things that drives the algorithm.

If anything, their numberfagging is potentially dangerous since they only notice big numbers and they might overreact to regressions to means.
Like Fubuki casuals might actually think she reclined if her median is back to 12k next month.

>>15544808
In the start the main appeal (with AsaCoco, for instance) is that she was one of the first Holos to “break the fourth wall” and talk about the company, about her coworkers and about herself candidly and without kayfabe.
She did that in an era when the meta was still
>don’t talk about other streamers or bring them up unless I talk about them first
which they never did, because for all intents for most of the audience that one streamer was their own thing disconnected from the whole.

>EN primetime
>Only Iroha and Polka are streaming
>Ame ragequits her best numbers stream in a month in less than 2 hours
Man... Council was supposed to fix this problem

i will laugh every time shark loses now that cumsharts are sperging out "jp cull" "muh princess will take her throne back"
seriously pathetic lol way to show how desperate numbersharts were all this time

>>15544339
>growing foothold in an expanding market disappears overnight
it's not all about CCV. Investors and sponsor has better access to holo channel analytics.
>daily unique visitor
>vod unique visitor over-time (for paid streams)
>vod total watch time
EN had a lot of deals in 2021 despite the cull, and can hit numbers just fine on things that matters
>EN game collabs with Gura pov (single or multi)
>EN anniv collab
>EN birthdays
>2nd outfit
and mind you, Gura's 21k ccv median for 2021 with these difficulty

>>15544664
>outside this thread numberfagging is frowned upon
What? Normies love numbers since they get to feel like they're part of something special. You always see a "Congratulations x for reaching y amount of subs", "Wow 100k viewers!" , or "20k viees to go to get 1 M views on x cover song!", they just don't analyze it as deep as >we do but they still love their numbers

>>15544912
>the numberfagging you're speaking off is stupid /#/ shit like
It’s not. Even mentioning positively (let’s say) “Gura got 1XXk viewers on her outfit reveal” will elicit an immediate negative response from most of the audience, in the “do not compare” sense (even when no explicit comparison is being made).

>>15544994
Council is an unmitigated disaster and probably doomed HoloEN forever. loserfag needs to graduate all of them, I doubt there would be much backlash.

>>15545002
People that hate Gura is gonna be in for some bad times when she's winning gold with 25ks.

>g-guys the JPs are getting culled
you're all just coping with the recline of your japanese whores :*)

>>15544022
>>15544128
1700-2002 is actually high viewership for night time Namibia. Viewers usually peak when the sun is out obviously. Namibia is powering through the cull because its the strongest channel on youtube.

By the way, NamibiaCam was at like 67k subscribers when it first got meme'd in this thread. Now they are at 147k. That is Hololive level growth.

>>15545107
That's a small number of chat/reddit scolds that just want to tell other people what to do. Most people do like and care about their favorite streamer having good numbers.

Ame is farming members once again by putting members stream reservation to public.
Pretty atypical for anti-numberfag.

>>15545107
There will always be anti-numberfags, but the majority of normies will be more hyped by that than mad.
Just look at how much excitement there was for Gura's sub growth and being the first to get to 3 mil subs.

>>15545189
Realistically it's gonna beat Sana and Niji EN soon in subs.

Can someone explain the Namibia meme? How did it start?

>>15545202
That's why they go to their chats and talk about where the streamer's covers ranked on the weekly rankings channel.

>>15544257
>>15544656

What the fuck? I remember a few months back getting $2k was enough to get near top 10. Are Japs still blowing their bonuses on SC?

Why did Holo (en especially) get hit the hardest in the 2020 cull anyway? Educate me.

en gold

>>15545002
Don't need to take any throne back if your meme rabbit is barely doing 5k CCV more anon. That's a joke number now, no one will ever think of pekora as nr 1 (only this thread did anyway) again.

>>15545245
>meme

>>15544581
Originally she got a lot straight off the bat as soon as she got monetized because she had already managed to build up an insane amount of goodwill by enlivening the whole box, then she kept getting high SC because she turned out to have especially fun witty banter with the superchatters. I don't think anyone could imitate her model, the only one with a similar SC culture is Leto and that's a Kiryukai grooming in process.

>>15544991
That's not true at all.

>>15545274
We only have speculation.
It's speculated that higher adblock, extension use, and higher PC use (therefore tabout/adblock/extension possibility) among the EN audience causes their views to be seen as lower quality, and therefore not counted.

>>15545284

nice

what if it isn't youtube but some vtuber schizo

>>15545189
...I may have to switch oshis now.

>>15545338
But if we're now seeing a similar rollout to JP audiences, wouldn't that imply that the changes were less about some inherent difference between the EN and JP audiences and more about implementing different filters on a per-region basis?

>>15545107
Then explain why the vid "Hololive sub growth chart but its Gura GAS GAS GAS" or some shit like has more than a million views. Explain the "stream heart challenger so that it can get a million views" meme. Explain the bonebros minecraft stream a year ago when Gura and Mori hit 1 M and 500k where people i chat were losing it. People love numbers

>>15545274
You think anyone here knows the inner workings of the youtube algorithm? The best guess was it was because their company location was set to Japan but most views weren't from there, or more westerners use adblock, but no one knows.

>>15545363
that's susan

>>15545399
It would if that's the case.

>>15545363
One guy who's oshi didn't respond to his creepy superchat so now he's out killing vtubers numbed fir vengeance

>>15545107
Please go back to Global, anon. You're clearly not familiar with how big numberfagging is outside of the dedicated holes for Holo discussion.

>>15544912
This

The best example was that 2nd Gura Karaoke that got well over 100k viewership. Word spread everywhere of the huge viewership it was getting and the numbers seemed to never stop going up. People were freaking out about the numbers and it generated so much hype and enthusiasm. You are spot on.

>>15545338
Didn't finish my thought, this would also affect holos more than nijis as holos have a bigger EN audience who might be using adblock, livetl extensions, PCs over mobile, etc. But it is in fact all speculation.

>>15545399
It's almost certainly not a similar rollout. Very little about this cull is similar in effect or appearance to the 2020 cull, other than maybe the final viewcounts. The behavior indicated by view graphs now is different than back then.

>>15545257
That’s literally it. JP salarymen usually receive their salaries on the 25th, it rolled over to the 27th since it was a Saturday. Today is the first day off of work after getting their checks.

>>15545274
A popular theory was that HoloEN channels were set to be in Japan, so a large number of viewers from other countries (burgers, euros..etc) raised flags that they might be bot accounts from overseas.

>>15544827
Susan hates any non hardcore leftist

>>15545527
That doesn't explain why Nijisanji, definitely not internationally popular, got an 18% cut.

>>15545422
You are confused. It's exactly Gura shooting past the other holos to the point where it was kinda pathetic to compare that made people pissed at her and numberfagging in general, because she mogged too hard. I say this with utter conviction: 50% of this thread is pissed off /hlg/ nousagis still seething about Gura. Why do you think it turns into Gura vs Pekora so often?
On the wider holo internet, Gura and people numberfagging for her made everyone agree to stop talking about this sort of shit. On 4chan, it just made everyone seethe at Gura.

>>15545422
You’re talking about “a million views” as of it was some big number.
This retarded Haachama video has a million views.
https://youtu.be/6hpNgAa9pq0

One million views is nothing

>>15545373
Why is Moomers in Namibia?

>>15545107
Interestingly, when that clip of Gura outfit reveal with 100k viewers got featured on LSF, they seem surprised. And it felt like that's the point when twitch celebs got real serious with VTubers from the sequence of events thereafter. Initially it was haha funny replies

>>15545284
VSHOJO INCLINE

>>15545570
What makes you think that Nijisanji doesn't have non Japanese viewers or Japanese viewers with similar habits to non Japanese viewers?

>>15545641
keep winning

>>15545511
I see, and as I can attest that JPs use much less adblock due to a variety of reasons (seeing how often ads misfire on karaoke streams should be a testament to that), I’m leaning towards this speculation.

>>15545287
>rabbit
she did a good job, now it's time for superior nijimales to continue her legacy and make numbersharts seethe

>>15545656
Nobody outside of Asia watches Nijisanji. Even NijiEN has a mainly Nip/SEA audience, especially the new wave. Euros and Burgers are all in on HoloEN.

>>15545656
>What makes you think that Nijisanji doesn't have non Japanese viewers
They do but not many. They rarely trend outside of Japan and thier music tends to only top JP music charts. Hololive tends to trend in many countries and their music tops charts in many countries.
>Japanese viewers with similar habits to non Japanese viewers?
I couldn't possibly know that.

>>15545570
Nijisanji does have some western fans as well as Chinese and SEA.

>>15545495
Numberfagging is allowed except when Gura is involved, last samurai

>>15545592
My bad it's close to 4 million now
https://youtu.be/1lcOyt_403U
For a clip(?) those are fantastic numbers, only beaten by the more popular holo fanimations
>>15545581
Anon, watch the bae pekora collab stream, there was a dedicated section on bae celebrating passing 400k subs because people in chat kept on saying it, they still love their numbers

>>15545769
Enough to account for an 18% cut?

>>15544808
Just my personal opinion, but to me her strength is zatsudan and streams that involve talking in general like her bar Coco, so if you're an EOP there's barely anything in there for you. Also, her superchat readings were always long and had nonstop zatsudan in between, more so than any other holo I've seen, so it really worked in her favor.

You guys ready for people to champion the rise of Vshojo because everybody on Youtube's numbers will look abysmal for at least the next year?

>>15540784
>karaoke stream
>just 11K

thought oras were shark killers

>>15545641
>>15545284
When are we passing Holo's numbers?

>>15545274
The correct answer is that nobody outside of YouTube knows, and it's possible even they have no idea. We have the end result that the unnatural CCV cliff clearly hit EN harder than JP, but anything past that is just dowsing and tea leaves. Maybe it's wonky anti-botting measures, maybe it's ye olden 301 views, or maybe it's some goofy "engagement capping" wonkyness where people who like/sub/etc more than average have their numbers count as < 1 person (sudden rrat - is this one of the real reason why they nuked dislikes? They wanted numbers to be like that weird BilliBilli social credit score shit instead of real numbers?).

>>15545422
all me

Theory:Some common method of viewing by Japanese Phone Posters got marked as fake and gay, either some browser, app or configuration they use.

pretty straight forward.

>>15545869
Gura killer is a cursed title

>>15545858
It's literally happening right now. Honestly Youtube doing this to its main streamers is insane from a business perspective

>>15545872

she already got more than ame did today

>>15545720
I was the only thing keeping the twitch whores at the gates. Now that my power has been sealed, nothing can save you anymore. The end is near, fools.

>>15545923
>main streamers
vtubers aren't their main streamers, they're a weeb-pandering niche that Youtube is ashamed of and would rather wipe from the main page if given half the chance

>>15545923
>hire pajeet to code for $5 a day
>pajeet copy pastes random shit and strings it together
>pajeet has no testing tools and assumes things are fine if it builds
>youtube barely notices since this is a tiny fraction of their portfolio

>>15545983
Yeah despite making up the vast majority of the Live section they hide and bury them constantly. Google a company with ambitions far past just money making at this point doesn't want to cede any leverage to Japanese culture.

>>15545771
>last samurai
retardchama...

>>15545983
>vtubers aren't their main streamers
They totally are. They might have a few heavy hitters here and there but youtube is entirely dominated by Hololive and Nijisanji. Hell just look at the superchat rankings.

>>15545825
Where is this 18% number coming from? Anyway I don't personally believe that the cull was just one factor, I think it's a bunch of changes they made that score a view as being either a bot or as worthless for advertising purposes. The exactly alchemy of this formula remains unknown but just based on the pure numbers of the decline it doesn't add up with anything. If it was just locations it would be wildly different for vtubers with bigger foreign audiences. If it was just adblock it would be MUCH steeper than just 20-30%. if it was just tabout you'd see huge swings when streams shifted to watch music premiers or stuff like E3 instead of just a 10-15% dip.

>>15544257
December superchats so far
>Chloe - $268,811
>Iroha - $191,647
>Koyori - $137,254
>Kanata - $132,282
>Laplus - $131,495
>Rushia - $125,713
>Nene - $113,821
>Pekora - $107,242
>Lamy - $98,117
>Fubuki - $79,218
>Flare - $73,850
>Hayato - $73,780
>Watame - $73,315
>Mori - $68,632
>Lui - $68,227
>Ayame - $65,579
>kson - $65,242
>Shion - $60,966
>Fuwa - $52,526
>Subaru - $51,795
>Kuzuha - $48,355
>Kiara - $45,025
>Miko - $43,071
>Akina - $41,365
>Noel - $40,361
>Marine - $35,958
>Kaida - $34,949
>Mishiro - $34,816
>Millie - $34,716
>Gura - $33,866
>Kanae - $30,347

>>15545903
Unless they the use of 4G/5G data, there's no way this is the reason, because most if not all of them watch them in the native YT app.

>>15545872
If we take Twitch numbers and youtube numbers at face value, then Nyanners, IronMouse and Veibae are at Kronii/Ina level already.
But none of them are close to Gura level.

>>15545925
Ame was trending up but did two stream ending fakeout because she's retarded anti-numberfag.
She also only streamed for 1.5 hours with no overlap, whereas Vshojos stream for 4-5 hours all the time.
I'm actually annoyed.

>>15545872
no, sadly Gura still avg 20k+ but nyan 2nd, Ironmouse 3rd and vaibe 4rd in the EN ranking.

>>15544808
Coco’s appeal was a stereotypical overfriendly gaijin who went above and beyond to glorify Holo and its members, and by proxy its fans. Asians have a deep craving of affirmation from the west, and Coco spoonfed them just that in a format they could easily digest. 75%+ of her superchats were in JPY. Her audience was never the west.

>>15545983
kek, pretty much this. I can easily see that scenario

Susan
>welcome Ludwig, how do you feel being the most live watched streamer in our platform now?
Ludwig
>ehhh, wouldn’t that be the anime catgirls from Japan?

>>15545756
>Even NijiEN has a mainly Nip/SEA audience
only luxiem, wave 1-3 gets worse numbers in SEA time slots

>>15546072
>Ayame - $65,579
>kson - $65,242

>>15546099
I actually think Veibae > Nyanners > Ironmouse now for daily numbers.
The thing that makes me suspicious that Twitch CCV counting is different from youtube CCV counting is that Vshojo's numbers are incredibly consistent (~10-13k) for most of their games/just chatting streams.
No one in Niji or Holo, JP or EN, has this level of consistent viewership where the game/content doesn't buff or nerf numbers.

>>15545983
I don't doubt Ludwig is seeing the same kinds of weirdness in his CCV numbers as the girls are, given just how much of a hit he's taken since moving to Youtube

>>15545858
Maybe in the wider media. I feel like Vshoujo is just gonna get rolled into the regular ecosystem of normie streamers and fall further away from it's roots in Japanese vtubing. They're gonna be spending the balance of their time interacting with non-vtubers. Eventually it will be causally disconnected from Hololive/Nijisanji style vtubers.

>>15546218
I wonder why Ludwig mved to YouTube tho, he already earns a lot from streaming on Twitch. Is he some sort of corporate spy for Twitch?

>>15543449
>Ayame wins by doing absolutely nothing
How in the fuck does she keep getting away with it?

>>15546292
He always had a strong Youtube channel, was offered a big bag and Twitch did nothing to make him want to stay, no special treatment or offer. That said after the honeymoon lud will fall prey to the same Black Box snatch of Susan.

>>15546292
Youtube literally paid him flat-out to move to their platform, like Mixer tried with streamers back in the day

>>15546292
Youtube paid millions to get him on their platform and he accepted because Twitch doesn't care about him.

>>15546292
Twitch contracts have a big quota of streamed hours (at least 200 hours per month) to meet, Youtube doesn't.

>>15546292
Youtube sucked his cock and gave him the big bucks when Twitch wouldn't.

>>15546216
Vaybay got 15k+ views from being a complete degen and impure at collab streams.

Holy shit. If that were YT chuubas, they'd get hammered.

>>15546216
Twitch has a different culture where you just come in because someone is streaming, then you watch whatever they do in a rather long stream, rather than "I'm doing X today". I do imagine the smoothness and consistency of their numbers is not having to deal with youtube's bullshit but it's also just a different streaming culture and honestly...lack of alternatives. They really don't have any competition.

>>15546216
Raid. You never be hololive vwhores.

>>15546331
>>15546366
>>15546367
Wonder how that's going for him. Fuckier numbers, stricter policies, none of the twitch staples like raids, emotes, or bits, more cuts in donations. You think he regrets it?

>>15546072
I hope Lamy can get that last 2k today because NINE Hololive members over $100k in one month would be absolutely insane. Also totally possible for Iroha to get to $200k with a 12 hour Jump King endurance on NYE

>>15546366
On Twitch someone else will just take his place, streamers like that are interchangeable. Youtube just wasted a bunch of money on someone everyone will forget about in a few months.

>>15546445
Streaming pretty much every day for 4-5 hours a day does make establishing a routine for your casual audience extremely simple, compared to HoloEN's talents constantly shifting what days and times they'll be doing or whether a stream is a big event or collab or not.

>>15546482
She won't be streaming until after midnight today so sadly no chance of that.

>>15546479
He said he wanted a challenge and to push himself and not being able to react andy has already stretched him to his limits and his content is strained. Hopefully he figures out something decent.

>>15546479
Would you regret trading some internet numbers for literal millions in cash?

>>15546479
YouTube is paying him directly instead of having to rely on fan donations so I doubt he minds much desu

>>15546216
>I actually think Veibae > Nyanners
https://twitchtracker.com/veibae
https://twitchtracker.com/nyanners
Average viewers over the past week and month are both really close, but Nyanners does have a slight advantage in both for now.

>>15546482

I can see Iroha getting it but Lamy Zelda stream was the last one for the year, so yeah.. she got close but probably no 100k unless she does a guerrila stream.

>>15546534
Meanwhile I just checked and Hasan is reacting to Masterchef (while playing it on his stream) to 42k viewers.
Why is this allowed again?

>>15545872
>Holo numbers
Daily ccv?
Collab/event/special stream ccv?
Subs?
Song numbers?
Vod numbers?
Sponsorships?
Merch?
Concert?
Total income?

>>15546515
Part of the reason Ina gets consistent numbers. Every day, unless it's a collab or event, Ina will be there at 4 PM EST.

>>15546530
>>15546602
Midnight GMT is Playboard's cutoff so it's possible if she does an early enough morning stream, seems unlikely though

>>15546615
Assuming this is on twitch it's because no one sued them yet.

>>15546615
I actually am shocked that, given Twitch is owned by Amazon, they haven't gotten absolutely fucking hammered over DMCA by anybody but the music industry so far.

I get that most of Youtube's nightmare is related to the fact that people would just upload pirated content onto the site and Twitch gets away with it by not having content live forever in VODs/claiming "fair use" probably well beyond its stretching point, but they've been playing with fire for so long as a platform that I'm shocked it hasn't resulted in any kind of crackdown yet.

>>15546615
It's not, but the rights holder (Fox) actually has to do something about it, maybe even about every individual instance of it, in order to stop it. Twitch can pretend it has no obligation to police copyrighted content until it gets strongarmed into it.

Much like Holos got away with all types of game streams until one rights holder got pissy and then we got permissions autism.

>>15546673
She's planning to do a stream right after the date changes so around 24-25 JST

>>15546598
https://twitchtracker.com/nyanners/streams/40379549355
https://twitchtracker.com/nyanners/streams/40353977483

Nyanners gets heavily raided (from 12.5-16k and 10k to 16k), whereas I think Veibae doesn't (or it's small raids that are 1-2k).
https://twitchtracker.com/veibae

>>15546615
The rights holders don't care there are full vods of the seasons before 7 littering youtube. If they did see it they would probably be too boomer to understand they were losing money and just like free advertising for their show. Which in a sense is true its a better ad campaign than master chef could ever produce itself.

However it will lead to the next "meta" show being a land mine and exploding the entire reactosphere. If you are a react tard you should get a youtube bag as soon as possible before the apocalypse.

Namibia peaked with 2178 after three oryxes shew up. (Literally, the peak came a minute after they left.)

I wonder what would be good control streams to see if there are other channel affected by the cull? Might be a bit too late at this point though. The reason why I watched Namibia was because there were screenshots here for comparison. Quickly looking at other nature cams, they ranged from 0-50 viewers.

a combined 22k watching tech support

>>15546668
Same with Gura at 8pm EST and the IRyS at noon JST which ends up being 10pm or 11pm EST depending on daylight savings time. Those three are consistent as fuck with their hours.

>>15546748
Then she'll get the 100k for sure

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLhsI9b6ZAE
>1.5m per month
holothot btfo

>>15546615
The big corpos hasn't touched Twitch the same as Youtube because of the live stream nature and some eliminate the vod after ending so it's like they didn't do anything.
If, lets say, ViacomCBS gets butthurt as alwasy because someone is doing a Spongebob stream, they could sue the fuck out of the streamer and Amazon and become like youtube and restrict everything owned by the big TV stations. Hasn't happen yet but will.

>>15546838
I don't understand why traditional models still exist when the roadmap for becoming a multi-millionaire based solely on being attractive has already been laid out so clear.

>>15546769
Yeah, Namibia is easily the biggest nature came I've seen. They can get up to 2k during night time and balloon up to 6k during peak activity hours during daylight. The only other one I've seen that even gets decent consistent viewership is this one.

https://youtu.be/k4dxJ1jpoXM

Usually ranges between 500-1000 viewers.
Even then its still well below Namibia.

>>15546838
vswhores kneels to the twitch queen

>>15545641
I hope that no one forgot my prediction of VShojo passing Holo in May-April 2020.

>>15546838
>holo
anon, they sure live rent free in your head when the headline refers to twitch

>>15546891
the namibia animals are just way more talented

All you need is for xqc to start watching disney movies on stream. That would end twitch.

>>15546838
Thousands of girls have tried this only a handful have been successful. For every one that makes it big there's 5,000 stuck camgirling and doing OnlyFans.

>>15546979
no they arent, the algo is doing all the heavy lifting, not them being talented

>>15546989
I don't think the top streamers are dumb enough to even think about doing a watchalong on anything Disney.

>>15546979
>>15547023

deercope list
>fake waterhole
>salt lick
>namibia animals are more talented
>algo heavy lifting

>>15546891
Deer are boring, especially to North Americans. Everyone thinks African animals are cool.

>>15547023
NAMIBIA DOESN'T DESERVE IT

>>15546045
I'm sure youtube still thinks they are disgusting women pretending to be children. No way they take them seriously

>>15547046
deersanji is going slow but one day it'll catch up

>>15546993
>For every one that makes it big there's 5,000 stuck
Kinda like vtubing. I know we trash RBC but what level is she really at?

>>15546979
is not the deerchad's fault that namibia buys a shit-ton of bots to get a good amount of views, namibia whores are dishonest while the deers are grateful of their natural, organic and honest viewers

>>15546099
>Gura averages 20k
Not for long

>>15547023
THE ORYXES HAVE NO TALENT

Why do I feel like NijiEN is handed a detailed case study on what made HoloJP popular? Although, it wouldn't work just because they don't have one super popular member to carry a gen whereas HoloJP has at least one popular member from every gen. Coco was one before.

>>15546979
>talent
Sorry namibiabronies but those animals are being hardcarried by the name. Only Oryx is successful and the others are just leeching off the watering hole.

>>15546459
>raid
lol, no

>>15547172
cope namibiafag

How are you holding numberbros?

OH NO NO NO NOUSAGI

>>15547189
The funny thing for the deer hater schizos is that they don't realize that the Oryx are basically close cousins of the deer. Both in the Ruminant family (antelope and deer). Oryx are basically a deer when you consider that and they dominate Namibia.

>>15547240
Waiting for Niji's NYE event to blow all these cull posters the fuck out and waiting to see what cope they come up with.

>>15547242
>Its getting fan art now
Oh my lord. I can't help but think that we had something to do with this.

>>15547131
Roboco is comfortably one of the top 100 vtubers in the world

I told you fools CCV was a meaningless metric. And now here you are, forced to start considering Vshitjo is more popular than 80% of holos even when it's blatantly untrue.

>>15547231
Cope.

>>15547267
If this is what a bath stream does to Pekora's numbers, she will never ever beat Amouranth.

>>15547340
without CCV what is the purpose of this thread? what's next, numberfagging VOD's?

>>15547357
>1.8K watching
NAMIBIA RECLINING!

>>15547357
Oryx always shows up when it needs to. That is why Namibia gets the numbers. The Cape Hare isn't a massive draw but the ace of Namibia is willing to stream well outside of its usual hours to help incline the Hare. Namibia inclines because of true unity.

>>15547267
Would be nice if another rabbit showed up and started humping that one.

>>15546720
Simple as: No one wants to fire the first shot.
I GUARANTEE you, that as soon as the first big corp decides to fire the first shot to nuke twitch, the lawyers from every other corp that's got skin in the game is going to jump in on that and Twitch (and by extension, Amazon) will be forced to address the issue and streaming on Twitch as we know it is going to get a hella lot dicier.

>>15547331
Not really an accomplishment when there are 500 vtubers in the world.

>>15547183
>HoloJP has at least one popular member from every gen
Gen 5 exists
>>15547384
VODs/video are the only good metric left that Susan hasn't fucked with

>>15547471
>VODs/video are the only good metric left

>>15547471
>Gen 5 exists
Botan exists

>>15547446
Or they enter a partnership with Twitch to monetize their content

>>15547267
OH NO NO NO HAS SHE FINALLY SWALLOWED THE E-THOT PILL?

>>15547446
They could also just sit back and let the first guy take the hit. If it's a big enough company twitch will have to change their policies regardless and everyone else can just sit it out and not be the Lars of livestreaming.

>>15547465
Did you timeleap here from 2018?

>>15546979
this but with hololive

>>15547562
The general trend everywhere is for companies to kill partnerships in favor of herding people to their own service so they can make 100% of the money.

>>15547465
Userlocal alone tracks at least 10k vtubers.

>>15547471
>VODs/video are the only good metric left that Susan hasn't fucked with
Unique chat posters and likes are still pretty reliable.

>>15547357
wow this should really be bringing in the numbers, nousagi status?

2349 for Namibia tonight, the second after both animals left. Still staying above 2000. In the chat Japanese people being taught the difference between hares and rabbits.

>>15547673
Until Susan decides to fuck with likes because even removing dislikes wasn't enough to appease their corporate users

>>15547672
I wonder if they have overall viewers for all VTubers...

>>15547770
Why are there so many japanese people in the Namibia stream? Seriously, the ratio is insane.

>>15547231
Funny thing about vshojo when they have collab or event, the number always hanging at 12-13k. Mori got almost 90k in new costume reveal. It makes you wonder how big vshojo fanbase is? Then again twitch vtuber scene is very small and almost dead, that why they always collab with e celeb.

>>15547770
>Japanese people in Namibia cam
Anons, we did it. We successfully boxpushed a random wildlife stream globally.

Wait... is this our SCHLOP SCHLOP SCHLOP moment?

>>15547770
there's a difference?

>>15547582
It is....possible. It really does depend on the size of whoever goes first. If it's fucking DISNEY who decides "Nah, we don't like these streamers doing this shit to OUR content", one very strongly worded, legally laden missive to Amazon would probably be enough to cause them to get their shit together, either to force Twitch to work out some sort of licensing deal or to kill react content.
I could legit see a something like a "Disney approved streamer" situation, like what Nintendo tried to force back in the day, except Disney is far, far, FAR more notorious in legal than even Nintendo, and Ninty's got a rep at being pretty ruthless in the courts.

>>15547775
I feel like they might. I've noticed in political/covid videos the comments are starting to bring up "this only has 112 likes and 260,000 views". Basically a mutated form of twitter ratio-ing. A lot of times they just don't let you comment but I feel they're gonna get self conscious about "not likes" and either start adding artificial likes or get rid of them entirely.

>>15547552
>Botan
>can't even break 10k viewers
Lmao

>>15547927
Hares are bigger.

Last edengumi member, defeated

>>15548026
And now we watch. Doe she maintain her insane gachi-sucking powers and speedruns to 1 mil? Or will she fall back to more 'sane' levels of money-sucking in the new year?!

>>15547893
Vshoujo fanbase is probably in the 30,000's if you include everyone who will occasionally watch a stream. Vshoujo don't really have "events" since they change outfits and models so frequently it's not as big of a deal.

>>15548026
You may marvel at that number but it is only about $94k take home and she has to pay taxes on it.

>>15540669
Speaking of YouTube weird promotion policy
It's strange that someone like Technoblade barely get's promoted when he's one the few super popular YouTube Streamer that actually started Streaming of YouTube. Like it's weird they go for Dream when I feel like Technoblade is the better YouTube rep.

>>15548248
>Only $94k in a little over a month
>Not accounting for whatever adrev she's gotten
I dunno about you, but that seems pretty good to me.

komiket bros???

>>15548177
30, 000??? 15, 000 at best.

>>15548248
94k for member and the company in just one month

>>15547927
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare#Differences_from_rabbits

Namibia still staying well above 1900 despite no animals.

>>15548026
HoloX as a whole are ~$50k behind Edengumi, they'll be ahead after the outfit reveals
>>15548248
>only about $94k take home
>in a month
How much did you make this month anon?

>>15547893
>twitch vtuber scene is very small and almost dead
Nope, the twitch scene is growing pretty fast. Calling it dead is a lie

>>15547969
Stop lying gen 5 schizo. She break 10k very often. Lamy get 9-10k playing pokemon these days.

>>15548248
>and she has to pay taxes on it.
Everybody has to pay taxes. People don't talk "My wage is X per year, minus taxes", that's a given

>it is only about $94
>only
For a months work?

>>15548356
I wonder if Cover has broken even on HoloX yet. They were forefronts of a big campaign for comiket and Cover had to bribe Sony pictures to let Laplus see the Spiderman film early.

>>15548443
You serious? Lmao!

>>15548332
So you think 85-90% of their entire audience watches them daily? And that audience being the audience for everyone in Vshoujo including those who don't watch the top 3 people. That just isn't how numbers work.

>>15548512
Show me numbers, talk is cheap.

>>15547927
Yeah, just like there's difference between mouse and rat

>>15548487
Sony gives out those passes to influencers to generate hype for their movie, you don't buy them. They've more then broken even. Even if all the models + rigging are 15k (upper end of the scale) and the NY outfits are somewhere below that, they've already made more off their cut of SCs alone nevermind ad rev ect.

>>15548502
lmao I think we found the biggest retard in this thread

Kanae caught up to Lamy again, I wasn't expecting him to hold out for this long.

>>15548611
No, fuck off. If you can't estimate an audience based off a sample size that's on you.

>>15548611
You can just look at twitch follower numbers for a start, just saying

>>15548502
>inclining Vshojo numbers isn't growth
Anon... I-

>>15548750
Is this a cope???

>>15547893
here is this from the official website

Iroha and polka getting 10k and 5k in burger hours is making think this might be right
>>15540988
Seems jop tourist are being culled or taking more time to process. And right now the ones watching them are mostly already subscribed users.

>>15548723

how fast are his subs growing? curious to see when he will reach 1M

>>15548443
the twitch scene is 30% the same users across the same poeple
https://youtu.be/j1mRnJBwquM?t=426
thats why any drama on twitch ripples across all twitch.

>>15548705
Top end model and rigging can go way higher than 15k. Iron Vertex top end rig by Tsui was around 10K alone I believe. Corporate work pays well but has a lot of extra demands and restrictions.

>>15548705
The other big costs are managers and promotion. A high-end guess would be 5 managers times 60k/year and maybe 20k each for promotions / pv.

>>15548757
That's unreliable. Same problem with Youtubers. Ironmouse doesn't really have an 800,000 potential audience and only 13k watch, most of those accounts are actually abandoned at this point. Same with Gura's 3.5M people. The % of that which are current active watchers is much much lower. She probably has internal metrics on how many of those have watched a stream in the last month, it would be interesting to see for sure.

>>15548927
I think we found the second retard in this thread

>>15548757
If you using follower then they should get at least 500k ccv every time then??? Lmao.

>>15548960
I doubt they got each one of them a singular full-time manager. Managers don't physically have enough work from one vtuber to fill up their time.

>>15548927
Spot on. It's all about who can join the asshole club.

>>15548449
>these days
...anon....

>>15549059
bruh…

>>15548927
Twitch in the nutsack.

>>15548399
I bought on the dip, once crypto is pumped back up next month I'll take home way more than $94k.

>>15548927
If you watch for longer, he basically calls mizfitz the king maker on twitch.
In exchange you pretty much join the drama clique.

>>15548248
It's less than that, if you count everything they only get around 18% of a SC
Matsuri actually said in the past that SCs were about 20% of her actually paycheck

>>15549167
>>15549041
also the growth in viewers has been mostly on third rate countries rather than first ones. That is why spain, latin aemrica,etc is dominating outside the top american streamers but also doesnt make money.
let me see if i find the video

>>15548905
Is this so different for vtubers on youtube though?

>>15549288
Because her paycheck is not just from SC. It does not mean that she only got 18% of her total SC.

>>15549288
That's because they have other revenue in that paycheck?

>>15549423
the 18% come from simple calculation considering cover's share, taxes and whatnot
It's been stated by a lot of vtubers that promoted streams are what bring the most money by far, followed by merchs/voices

>>15549167
Judging from the video, most likely the people who started watching vshojo after they went on mizfitz's show are those from that one subreddit that gets posted here
>>15549288
Do you have any idea how many sponsors Matsuri has?

>>15549164
Yeah that's why it's a high-end guess. We know the number of managers has increased though.

>>15549288
It's SC, ad rev, membership, sponsorship, merch, and their base salary. Obviously merch/SC/sponsor can vary heavily from check to check.

>>15548927
>you dont discover people on twitch by the nature of content, you discover by the person
i will save that for later

>>15549522
Their pre-tax takehome is 35%, that's well known. Japanese taxes CANNOT take that down to 18% no matter how much you earn, that would be a ridiculous tax rate

>>15545592
One million viewed "live stream", how many live streams can reach 10M or even 100M compared to songs and normal videos?

>>15549288
>Matsuri actually said
Why would you trust anything that comes out of that menhera witch's mouth? She's a notorious liar who's made a lot of grand statements about the industry that don't line up with what other people have said or what we know for ourselves

>>15549283
I mean, it's correct no?
The numbers are there. It's not like there ISN'T growth in the entire twitch scene, but at the top, it's all about the drama cliques and shit.
It's why, if you don't have any hope of making it in those circles, running a successful YT channel to funnel users to you onto Twitch is pretty much a necessity to grow.

>>15550001
Gura's debut is 4.7M, can anyone top that?

>>15547471
VODs/video isn't even a good metric because longer streams usually have more people, but some of those people may just be the same people tuning in every once in a while. The only good metric is unique viewer per stream and I'm sure only the streamer can see that.

>>15550047
I trust my girfriend anon. She said she won't break up even if I shove my hand live on stream and she actually kept her promise

>>15549326
here it is
https://youtu.be/uXg2UQMXTh8?t=503
>the fastes gorwing sectors of twitch arent english speaking but 2nd and third world.

>>15550179
Anon?

>>15550179
That's the second most viewed stream iirc, Coco's graduation is at 6.3M.

>>15546801
Gura also streams at the best possible hours too for most of EN audiences (sorry EU).

>>15550122
Wasn't disagreeing with him but I'm guessing Vshojo will now have to constantly collab with his clique if they want to maintain their viewership in the long term.

>>15550122(me)
Which is why I think, if Vshojo is able to really join the 'big boys club', they all stand an actual chance of inclining upwards to the ~15-20k range for Ironmouse, Vei and Nyanners. It's not all sunshine and rainbows though, making inroads with that audience means that any sort of drama they get involved in will be magnified far, far more than it otherwise would be. Like, Imagine if the Nux drama dropped once they've established themselves into this circle. It would be an even bigger mess than the quietly snuffed out fart it was.

>>15549910
You aren't familiar with Japan's taxes
It's 45% for the high tier, and most vtubers definitely are at that level
Even Rion said she was making 5 times what the average salarymen does and most holos definitely make more than her

Line to Akasa Ai's (Hoshou Marine mama) booth

>>15550350
Surely that's the marginal tax rate. Do you know if US citizens have to pay US taxes on top of that too? I'm not that familiar with how that works.

>>15550283
Oh yeah, if they had been integrated into the twitch clique for a couple weeks and that drama came out the clique would have ate them like vultures.

Chloe playing one of those gimick rpgs right now
just started and 2.4k views

nijisnajimain also just started with lize on it with 9k

>>15550453
Isn't she doing additional sales after comiket?
Knowing Cover, they probably gave the greenlight to the mama/papas to sell the merch for a limited time once the con ends.

>>15550491
Yes you do but you can deduct some of the foreign taxes you pay. Basically the cost of maintaining your citizenship.

vshojo is going to mog everyone tonight

>>15550350
I mean, with the SCs, sponsorships and adrev current Holomem make, I'd water at minimum they're making 250-300k a year. That's a low-ball estimate btw. In reality their total takeaway (pre-tax) is probs closer to 400-500k. Of course, for some of them their expenses are also likely a LOT higher to counterbalance it, like Lamy funding stuff out of pocket no doubt makes more but also has higher expenses. Same with Suisei/Watame with all their orisongs. Only those who barely stream or stream to very low numbers 'only' make low triple digits, and that's just from their work as holomem.
Also, 45% on the higher tier, i'm certain Japan operates on a progressive tax system so it's gonna be whatever income falls into that tax bracket that gets hit that hard.

>>15550550
They're already in the outer halo of twitch relevancy. It helped that Nux is such a nobody and widely disliked and mostly well-known on Youtube rather than twitch.

>>15550453
That's....a rather beefy line.
Man, could you imagine how amazing/bad it would be if there weren't limited capacity this year?

Chloe's just hinted that her outfit reveal stream will double as her membership opening stream

>>15550696
Fucking Kiara made 300k in less than a year after taxes. You're underestimating how much they make.
She mentioned that her government took over 50% of her earnings after everyone else did.

>>15550696
I'd kind of skeptical that Choco or Aki is making $250,000 off their Holo stuff. $100k maaaaaybe.

>>15550283
I think it is a given now that they will become part of the Livestream Fail drama crowd. I wouldn't be surprised if Ironmouse, Vei and Nyanners all manage to beat Gura in views next year.

>>15550821
thats...kind of brilliant. she is a well educated prostitiute

>>15550680
Being able to ride a dick and get away with it is too strong of a buff

>>15550821
Is this bitch insane enough to do that? Is she the ultimate numberfag/moneygrubber? Is she putting Mori to shame?

>>15550821
I'm not sure if this is genius or retarded, she'll get a lot of members but she'd get a ton of SC for a separate membership opening stream

>>15550821
Waiting for the best possible buff stream to open your membership and get all the reflex members who wouldn't get into her membership otherwise
She is truly an expert, she will probably have more members than laplus during that stream

>>15550821
no wonder she hold on for so long
it was all planned

>>15550840
Will people get bored of their novelty though? Nyanners in particular is kind of dull and the other two aren't exactly dynamic entertainers.

>>15550835
Which stream did Kiara metion her revenue?

>>15550938
She got enough SCs for the month really

>>15550835
imagine people seeing gura IRL, thinking she is a child, but she is rolling in $1+ million per year

>>15550840
>I think it is a given now that they will become part of the Livestream Fail drama crowd
pffff you ever seen how fucking week mentally they are? they will stop doing the moment they smell fire.
Mouse when collaborating with ludgwig had the nightbot telling chat all the time "please no shipping comments". These girls will crumble like sand they wont be able to handle them.

>>15551026
>enough
>SCs
No such thing

>>15550821
I KNEEL! CHLOE-SAMA! FILTHY ORCA! YOUR NUMBERFAGGING IN THE WAYS OF MONEY!
>>15550835
I'm definitely 'underestimating for those that make a ton of SCs and/or are the upper tier holomem, but for the 'average' members the numbers probably fall into that range. Remember, Kiara is far from average, and has a ton of SCs and done many sponsored streams too.
>>15550837
Yea, hence 'low triple digits', likely bolstered by sponsorship money.
>>15550938
She gets SC every stream. Baiting a bunch of tourists to sub and potentially become long-term watchers though? It's BRILLIANT.

5k for chloe
15k for nijimain

>>15550840
>Livestream Fail drama crowd
Probably one of the worst kinds of viewers that I want for my oshi. Well, it's good for Vshojo at least

>>15551072
Gura doesn't look like a child. Are chumpedos really like this?

>>15551010
vei seems well suited to the drama clout chaser crew and mouse is the only vwhorejo with any talent
agree that nyanners might recline once people get tired of the novelty

>>15550821
Sounds like a dumb move. It will get her more members than she'd get otherwise, but only a small fraction of those extra members are going to stay for long. Most people who'll maintain their membership would probably already join anyway. She'd make much more money and total VOD views having separate streams for the two events. It's not really a boost to CCV either. The only thing I can see as a reasonable excuse to do this is aiming to get an insane amount of members in a single stream and generating buzz on the internet with it, like Coco did with her monetization stream. Either that or she has really good membership content planned and wants to get as many people to see it as possible.

>>15551236
>vei seems well suited to the drama clout chaser crew
she took 1-2 weeks break after the nux thing

Plenty of streamers recline after not interacting with the top streamers clique constantly sorta like coco and holo. Vshojo would need to do it constantly for those numbers. Ash was actually on par with prime holoen last year but see where she is now lol.

>>15551236
Vei's problem is she runs her mouth off about whatever she feels like, no filter at all.

>>15550837
Not sure about Choco but Aki is in a ton of sponsorship/merch promotions to help supplement her income.

>>15551261
>Chloe
>good content

>>15550283
The key thing that people are forgetting is that numbers bring more numbers. I am not talking about the shared viewership that may or may not remain from collabing with the twitch clique but the viewers that will come because they are getting big numbers—curiosity, basically. In a way, it's how Hololive is as big as it is.

>>15551236
vei fucking crumbled and ran with her tail between her legs when she got pushback from the reddit hololive community.
She's all bark no bite.

>>15551372
Good in this context only means "capable of making people keep paying their membership fees." She literally just has to do a lewd-ish ASMR with a countdown at the end once per month and it would already have a powerful effect on her membership numbers. She doesn't even have to be good at it.

nip news inclining!

>>15551450
what? there was drama between vei and redditors?

>>15551318
yeah thats good for the LSF shit, they appeal to normies because theyre all room temperature IQ and loud
>>15551275
its mostly fake drama (real drama gets you shit on), her role is going to be showing up on male streamer channels with 98% male audiences and acting like a whore but getting away with it because she isnt 3d
>>15551450
not sure what youre talking about here but theyll eat up stuff like when she debuted and fake cried when JOPs "harassed" the guy translating her

>>15551378
Not impossible, but the wider twitchsphere is kinda 'meh' on the whole animeshit. Harder, but not impossible to overcome.
>>15551549
So it was just a pair of really shitty days for everyone involved?
I mean, makes sense to me more than some 'new cull'. The weird flatlines could just be a reduced number of tourists available than anything (I hope. I really really reallllly do not want to have to worry about another shitty goddamn cull).

>>15551644
Remember when /vt/ had that campaign to spam that veibae clip where she shit on Hololive?
It made its way into the Hololive reddit and they didn't take kindly to it (Veibae lying through her teeth about knowing a graduated Hololive member around the time of Aloe graduation)

>>15551539
>ASMR with a countdown at the end once per month
Anon please, I quite enjoy having a penis and I'd rather it didn't explode into a million pieces