/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

* FINAL TALLY YESTERDAY *

Here it goes
>65,631: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>45,098: Kanata (Hololive)
>34,072: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>30,791: Fubuki (Hololive)
>30,692: Marine (Hololive)
>26,983: Haachama (Hololive)
>26,732: Pekora (Hololive)
>21,963: Miko (Hololive)
>19,979: Koyori (Hololive)
>15,225: Calli (Hololive)
>14,509: Fubuki (Hololive)
>12,798: Laplus (Hololive)
>12,155: Koyori (Hololive)
>10,781: Leos (Nijisanji)

Is this the first time one of them actually notices?

>>15374725
NAH
mori and ame have seen it before

>>15374725
mori and kiara have noticed before
Is just that HoloEn content is so zatsu heavy nowdays most people put it on the background as it is tabbed out then it doesnt get for the live viewer count.

>>15373936
>doing the same shit again
Its amazing how creatively bankrupt Nijisanji is. More shit for the main channel because why the fuck not.

>>15374874
The issue with this stuff...
If it actually got people to watch the livers, that'd be nice, but nope.

>>15374199
Nicely done taking it to the next level: first was removing the topic from the image to stave off the retards, now removing it from the title as well.

I’ll do the same when I’m make the thread

>>15374874
What is the problem with this content?

>>15375257
Nothing. Stop biting bait

>>15374199
>NoombaaR
I fucking hate you so much

How come coco has nearly as much sc money as rushia with twice as many scs?

>>15374874
they cant make people watch the livers but cant make them watch the main channel.
is just the wy they decided to do things.

>>15375257
Its the same shit they did in the summer. More boring "variety" show content. Also, its all on the main channel like everything Nijishitty does. The talents get no benefit from being in Nijishitty because everything is on the main channel. This would be fine if Nijishitty paid the talents but they don't.

>>15375362
lmao

>>15375370
Everytime she went to the bathroom people sent a blue sc

>>15375362
Dude, just filter /#/, unless you can't for some reason?

>>15375401
Meds you schizo. The Hololive main channel occasionaly does stuff too, or did you forget the werewolf game on Christmas already? There is nothing wrong with Nijisanji's strategy.

>>15375515
If I filter /#/ I get a lot of posts I don't give a fuck about

>>15375608
It's been more than 3 years and they still haven't given their vtubers any base salary after making millions out of them.

hello numberfriends, im a poor beggar with a question
how is the latest ina+kiara cover doing?

>>15375257
see >>15374347
>34,072: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>30,791: Fubuki (Hololive)
>30,692: Marine (Hololive)
>26,983: Haachama (Hololive)
>26,732: Pekora (Hololive)
holokeks mad

>>15375782
Just the Japanese branch being paid minimum wage at full time hours (40 hours a week) would cost Nijisanji $34,668.
For Hololive in the same scenario it costs them $11,664.

>>15375362 (OP)

>>15375864
Suffering from the Kiara debuff but otherwise doing pretty healthy.
It's kinda funny that with the exception of Irys, EN song average way bigger than JPs, who are heavily carried by a select few holos.

>>15375958
I want all the /rape/ tourists to get out.

>>15375984
It's honestly weird just how relatively bad IRyS' music content does compared to Myth.

Who has the most tolerable superchat readings? Nene?

>>15375984
JP has like 35 chubbas so of course there's going to be a good amount of deadweight there, what's funny about that?

Niji December gold 2020 & 2021

>December 2020
11) Toya (Nijisanji) - 46k - 3rd Niji Mariokart lottery
12) Gwelu (Nijisanji) - 82k - Nijisanji janken tournament
16) Kou (Nijisanji) - 54k - 3D Debut
19) Sara (Nijisanji) - 85k - 3D debut
22) Chaika (Nijisanji) - 66k - 3D skirt skit stream
25) Akina (Nijisanji) - 71k - 3D debut stream
26) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 102k - 3rd Niji Mariokart finals
27) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 43k - Apex CRCUP
31) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 127k - NYE stream

10 gold

>December 2021
10) Toya (Nijisanji) - 89k - 4th Niji Mariokart lottery
17) Haruka (Nijisanji) - 25k - 3D debut
18) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 69k - 4th Niji Mariokart team
21) Toya (Nijisanji) - 78k - 4th Niji Mariokart main lottery
26) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 130k - 4th Niji Mariokart finals
27) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 65k - 3D redebut
31) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - ?? - NYE stream/NJU

6 gold

>>15376171
Well the part where JP were hired as idols, with the implicit inevitability that they'll have to sing+dance and the cultural knowledge of what an idols is, but get outperformed at singing by the westerners hired to stream is pretty ironic. And that the westerners are dragged down in that metric by a japanese hafu, even funnier. Outside of Suisei/Aqua/Marine/Ayame/Okayu, what JPs even compete with EN in song views?

>>15375947
AnyColor makes more than enough to pay their vtubers. Especially those who have worked for more than two years, but they prefer to spend their budget on advertisement instead. No wonder niji-senpais love to bully their juniors to let off some steams.

>>15376115
We don't yet know if it's Irys sucking or just Myth being too strong until we see more from Council.
The one thing we've seen from Council has done just as bad compared to Myth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09xVC-xun_c&t=76s

>>15375608
I'll take my meds once Any Color actually pays their talents.

>>15376306
EN is way more popular than JP, how shocking.
>Outside of
Outside of Gura and Mori, how well do EN songs even fair?

>>15376374
The best singer in the world couldn't save that turd of a song they just gave her to release. But a more popular one would get more views.

>>15376404
>Outside of Gura and Mori, how well do EN songs even fair?
Very well, usually all of them get to 1 million very quickly. Yes, even Kiara and somehow, fucking Ame.

>>15376115
She has the Watame problem of releasing too many Originals in a short amount of time. Her Covers are pretty much just Hololive songs linked to great Holo singers. I don't know what management wants us fans to hype up. She can't gather tourist viewers like this.

>>15376517
She also kinda just dropped it kinda outta nowhere ON CHRISTMAS DAY.
It's like, c'mon IRyS and management, why you gotta be this way?

So does reading the SCs actually matter? Ame at least last I watched had a day dedicated to doing that yet she's behind everyone but Ina in EN. Is baiting them more important?

I don't follow these threads at all but just want to ask what's up with the kamitsubaki witches as op image recently? any of their concerts or albums been doing good numbers recently?

>>15376344
Wasn't saying that they shouldn't, was just putting some basic math out there.
If Cover is paying every talent Japanese minimum wage, 40 hours a week, they're paying $80,352 in wages for all talents per month ($964,224 annually).
>>15376517
Hololive management is shit at marketing.

>>15376034
Most reddit post award.

>>15376404
Gura is on another planet from everybody else and Mori is easily Suisei tier. However, even Kiara and Ina are easily equal to that 2nd tier of JP Holo singers like Shion, Aqua, and Kanata. Myth is crazy powerful when it comes to music. We have barely seen anything from Council to judge their song performance since the only thing we have is a Halloween song from Bae which people aren't going to listen to if it isn't Halloween. Council needs to get off their ass and release some songs.

As for IRyS. I really can't explain that one. I still believe she is going to get her big break one day since she is too good of a singer to continue getting mediocre views. I think what she needs to do is release some FOTM covers so she can get caught by the algorithm and that will lead people to some of her originals.

>>15376623
OP is from the future and showing us the next big thing in vtubing

>>15375984
There's no such thing as a Kiara debuff for music.
There's no such as a Kiara debuff in general, but specifically for music it's quite baffling to say.

>>15376517
The Hololive covers didn't even get official premiers and were just regular uploads. It was weird. With that said her cover of Inochi is fucking fantastic and I wish more people would listen to it. She fucking nailed that song. I also love her Ghost cover since you get the same great song that Suisei did but IRyS' style gives it a totally new, but no less great, perspective.

>>15376808
FOTM covers + a new outfit to address some of the oddness of her base model. I've come to like it, but I'll admit that shit was filtering as FUCK on release and probably drove away many viewers early on.

>>15376925
I think that with the cover originals, the rules they were signed under don't allow for premieres is my best guess (probably no-monetization). Prevents any issues of stepping on toes in that sense.

>>15376739 (me)
Rushia, Lamy and Ina SC cut that Cover gets alone this year would pay for the wages for the whole year.

>>15376252
reclining

Today's superchats

>>15376808
>Gura is on another planet from everybody else
I don't think she's that far away from Mori and Suisei in powerlevel, she just has the scarcity buff. Take a look at her newest cover already slowing down and not being at 1 mill despite 2 days passing.

>>15376863
I hope that's true, they're good singers but I know this general doesn't have the most on topic op images

>>15376517
VSinger thing is completely stupid.
It ruined the element of surprise because general audiences already expected a good singer which quickly killed off the hype.
Music audiences also felt weird about her because somehow cover gave the title to a newcomer over their holos.
They do not only lessen the interest from the tourist but also make her potential core audience feel left out.

>>15377311
>Song released on christmas, Guerilla, with only a fucking tweet AFTER it was released, that's also a shill cover song of something that had barely 170k views on the Blue Archive Main channel, and then Gura's version was also uploaded to the Blue Archive Main channel

That thing is loaded to the gills with debuffs anon, and it's already got more views, and it's still gonna limp it's way along to 1mil faster than many other covers.

>>15377306
December superchats so far
>Chloe - $243,784
>Iroha - $180,884
>Laplus - $130,080
>Koyori - $118,092
>Kanata - $115,015
>Rushia - $109,990
>Nene - $105,574
>Pekora - $101,932
>Lamy - $85,036
>Fubuki - $75,525
>Hayato - $72,382
>Flare - $67,176
>Ayame - $65,579
>Lui - $64,201
>Mori - $63,826
>Shion - $58,517
>Fuwa - $52,439
>kson - $49,637
>Subaru - $48,525
>Kuzuha - $40,870
>Kiara - $39,475
>Watame - $37,324
>Marine - $34,882
>Akina - $33,922
>Mishiro - $33,340
>Miko - $32,348
>Millie - $32,506
>Noel - $31,299

>>15377447
>and then Gura's version was also uploaded to the Blue Archive Main channel
Jesas I didn't know that. And to top it off it's uploaded two of their channels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVu1IeLXzyY Korean, 102k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q4rflTedwQ 37k

>>15377713
Yea, I wasn't aware of it either until some other anon mentioned it and checked. It's legit hilarious how many different debuffs managed to land on the thing by circumstance.

>>15377444
You cannot have a Vsinger be preceded by two vastly more popular singers (Mori and Gura). Mori even outpaces her in output, so there goes the "she focuses on music" gimmick too. And with neither output nor popularity, what makes her a Vsinger vs the others?

>3.69m subs
>unarchived karaoke buff
>sub 20k views

>The absolute fucking sea of green in Gura's chat
Good lord the membership money must be ridiculous

Looks like a 30k karaoke
christmas karokes is just to played already.

>>15378480
Happens if you're 2 days late to it, and it wasn't scheduled, yeah. When the hell was her last scheduled public karaoke anyway?

last christmas & ukulele karaoke

>>15378480
She's basically maximized the debuffs she could for this thing. I was half expecting her not even stream today. Honestly disappointing from a # perspective (though I'm glad she's feeling better).

>>15378580
i think it makes more sense to compare it to the latest karaokes

>>15377447
Sounds like a whole lotta cope to me.
Gura has been reclining; she hasn't been relevant since Myth's debut

>>15378611
viewership cull has been pretty heavy recently, this is easily a 60k-70k stream in reality

>>15378757
>reclining
>shits on every JP when it comes to song views
ironic, guess JP really is an irrelevant branch

>>15378769

>>15377983
What IRyS needs to do is release cover songs to fill the gaps in between her originals. She dropped her EP on debut and then we went nearly 6 months with no new music from IRyS. I think she should be dropping at least 1 cover song a month. That would keep people coming back to her channel for music which would increase the viewership for her original songs when they do get released. Especially if those cover songs are FOTM songs that get caught in the algorithm. Talent certainly isn't the issue since she is amazing but she seems to lack some initiative in putting herself out there and is bad at marketing her stuff. She has barely talked about her original since it dropped and while STREAM HEART CHALLENGER and STREAM SPARKS are Kiara memes........both those songs have millions of views so promoting yourself does work.

Around 150 total new viewers added when Pomu started stream.
She took a bit of viewers from everyone else in NijiEN it looks like.

>>15378580
Absolutely declined, of this there's no arguing, but the circumstances aren't quite the same. I wish we could have a reasonable discussion about WHY the decline has occurred but I'm certain that's not going to happen.

>>15378839
>shits in every JP in song views
>can't even get 1 mil views for her recent cover after 2 days
Rumao
Stay coping and seething chumpedo

>>15378892
Bots and people have realized that Niji chuubas are more entertaining and more talented

>>15378887
>8k total
i think if another homo streamed it could increase it easily to 10k

>>15378839
Why you can accept that Gura reclined in CCV.

>>15378922
no JP can do that either retard
>>15379017
because she didn't recline, Susan is cutting her views just like she is with every other EN streamer

>>15378580
>1 year ago
>11 months ago
retardchama, why did you go out the way back there for the covid lockdown numbers?

>>15377306
>>15377703
holy shit kanata

>>15374199
Can mentally stabled OP just name it "numbers thread" next? wasted 2 minutes looking for this shit

>>15379017
Why can't you accept an english textbook?

>>15379006
That's reasonable, there's likely less viewership overlap between the gals and the dudes than between the gals only.
>>15378988
>Bots
Garbage, I don't know why I even bother with attempting reasonable discussion in /#/ outside of euro hours nowadays.

>>15379017
Gura's CCV has been among the most consistent in all of Hololive since the December 2020 "features" were added.

>>15379233
>Monhun PTSD intensifies
Nomoremonhunmommykeepitaway

>>15379083
UNISON (Houshou Marine) - 39 hours
God-ish (Laplus Darknesss) - 2 Days
Goodbye Sengen (Nakiri Ayame) - 2 Days
Kiseki Knot (4th Gen) - 2 Days

Imagine being an ENFaggot who thinks their whores are relevant rumao

>>15379233
>most consistent
>went from 50k CCV to barely 10k
Rumao

>>15378892
Unless you know exactly the context of youtube changes and how opening up after the niitial covide lockdown aftected youtube you will get only assumptions.

>>15379287
His point is retarded since we have numbers for JP songs that got to 1mil in under 3 days, but so are you. You can both go kill yourselves together, it'd improve the thread a bunch.

>>15378839
How was that outfit reveal, faggot

>>15379287

>>15379287
>tries to compare CCV with stuff Gura holds both nr 1 and 2 records in
Anon what is wrong with your brain

>>15379392
i think most covers fail to do that now unless pushed by something special.

>>15379360
Yea, I guess there is no reasonable discussion to be had on this point, only guesses.
>>15379349
Sir, this it the numbers thread, not your house of LIES. If you had at least said 15-20k that would be reasonable.

>Gura starts streaming
>Suddenly slobbering retards are everywhere
Man, Nijiniggers are really jealous we have her aren't they? They will never have an EN chuuba even close to her level and they seethe about it constantly.

>>15379589
Anon, stop with the boogeyman

>>15379507
>Gura
>consistent 15-20k CCV
>lemme just conveniently forget her DMC and Monhun noombers to make a point
Rumao

>>15379589
Anon it's perfectly reasonable that we start looking back to fucking December 2020 and compare, because after all, some people might not know Myth no longers gets 2020 numbers. They've been at around the exact same level of CCV for almost a year now, but I'm going to keep saying reclining because they had more at the start.

>>15379401
still shit over JP outfit reveals, faggot, you could graduate 99% of JP and lose nothing while if Cover lose Gura they lose everything

>>15379589
They're still seething about this, please understand. Gura and music is nightmare fuel to them.

Gura making all en vtuber have some dignity. Kneel to her.

has gura reclined or are these just her numbers now

>>15379589
they have the niji main channel
Anyway

14k likes and 62k views for gura i alwasy like to see the difference on ccv and views.
>>15379722
>, but I'm going to keep saying reclining because they had more at the start.
that would apply to everyone that got bigger numbers before youtube spam culling.

Do you faggots not get bored of posting the same timeloops over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again?

>>15379704
Yeah do you just not know what consistent means? It doesn't mean it never dips below. You uh..realize Monhun was in early 2021 btw?

>>15376252
>niji marika number +30k
Inclining!!

>>15379822
I would laugh if Fubuki's shiny hunting beats this number

>>15379822
Nijisis was jumping around cause their gay vtuber got 3k lmao.

>>15379704
Anon, EVERYONE got shitty numbers with Monster Hunter. March and April were the two worst months of the year for Hololive when everybody was..........playing Monster Hunter. Nobody wanted to watch that shit.

>>15379886
Karaokes keep getting more and more views the longer they last, she's at 3 songs and 27k. She'll beat FBK, though I'm not saying it's some great feat.

cope chumkeks

>>15379822
>kneeling to Gura in 2021
>When NijiEN made her viewers + paypigs
Ngmi...

>>15376454
>Very well, usually all of them get to 1 million very quickly
Explain Hakos baelz and IRyS En bros

>>15379704
If you're going to try and make a point, do it with reasonable streams and not the most debuff of her gaming streams where she's both absolutely terrible at (for both) and was a pretty debuff game solo after the first few streams for everyone else, even JP. Monhun is great fun with a group of friends, but the game's a chore to watch outside of 4 man shitfests for lulz.

>>15379822
It's been a while since we saw a 27k on EN side, I kneel

>>15379951
Thanks for reminding me Gura still has the record for a Karaoke stream and that orcafags got fucked hard after claiming she would beat it.

>>15378874
She put out covers once a week in her debut month and with each one they got less and less views. She also hasn't being put covers out recently because she's doing studio recordings full on. Could she put out covers once a month? Yes but that would be upto management, because unlike the other girls everything IRyS does is fully paid for and management by them since she is the vsinger.

Also Kiara is desperate for numbers, that's why the GayFP and her spam that shit everywhere she even tells people how to boost the views on the videos which isn't promoting or marketing I just fucking sad and pathetic.

>>15379958
I love it when you cope and mad. Thanks.

>>15379934
Did any vtuber receive a buff playing that MoHun?

>>15380048
coco and luna

>>15379958
Lmao

>>15380048
Luna-hime did, but she's actually GOOD at the game.

there sure are a lot of ESL monkeys on this thread right now

>>15379860
It gets the (you)s
Taking bets on what tomorrow timeloop is going to be

>>15380048
Probably lamy and luna

>>15379934
Monhun is a weird example anyway since she had:
29k(first stream buff)
16.889k
17k
12k (multi POV collab)
10.961k
The average of this is in fact...above 15.

Meanwhile Metroid was around the same time and doing much worse.

Gura for EN gold?

top 10 holo 1m songs
1) REFLECT (Gawr Gura) - 10 hours (29m)
2) KING (Gura and Mori) - 11 hours (36m)
3) UNISON (Houshou Marine) - 39 hours
4) Off With Their Heads (Mori Calliope) - 45 hours
5) Roki (Mori Calliope) - 2 Days (0h 26m)
6) God-ish (Laplus Darkness) (2d 7h 18m)
7) Goodbye Sengen (Nakiri Ayame) - 2 Days (14h 51m)
8) Kiseki Knot (4th Gen) - 2 Days (17h 0m)
9) Myth or Treat (HoloMyth) (2d 20h 45m)
10) Can You Do the Hololive? (All members) - 3 Days

Updated to reduce shitposting, only songs under 3 days can hang. Surprisingly no suisei in top 10.

>>15380093
Yeah, but they are MonHun vets
Also, while we talk about MonHun, what is the chance Capcum is gonna ask them for a sponsor stream the moment Sunbreak is out?

>>15380018
Cope, Kiara still does way better numbers. Pretty ironic how the Japanese hafu is doing JP-tier numbers when it comes to music aka getting mogged the fuck out by EN.

>>15376623
>>15377379
OP here i love ojou and her fellow witches. Simple as

>>15380183
Gura's zoomer audience was filtered by Metroid. Also she was kind of bad at it and dragged it out more than necessarily.

>>15380198
>absolute Myth domination
No wonder the last samurai got triggered.

>>15380201
sunbreak will be a buff when it comes out. If the homos and aki got psonored for rise they will get sponsored for Sunbreak too.

Come on, get that 30k Gura

This has inclined a bit since the rise of Namibia. Good critter cams are on the rise. Chuubas better watch out.

https://youtu.be/k4dxJ1jpoXM

>>15380198
>Can You Do the Hololive? (Almost all members)
Kinda wish they do a new one
Would be fun to numberfag

>>15380195
60k is a contender for overall gold

>>15380309
Next song

>>15380198
>Surprisingly no suisei in top 10
Hoshibros? U guys not doing any reps?

>EN vs JP timeloop

>>15380309
If EN Gold is going to be a thing then all Gura has to do is hit "start stream" and she has EN gold locked in unless there is some super special event. No other EN chuuba can even come close to her numbers.

>>15380344
Would be nice if someone just came out and dropped one with a 50-70 round.

>>15380432
Kronii can beat her if Kronii is playing a buff game and she's playing a debuff game.

>>15380427
>Gura 30k

Make a wild guess anon

>>15380018
The Hololive originals covers weren't a good idea from a numbers standpoint. It could have been an Odo cover or something better like that. I think people overrate things like hype and announcing a release ahead of time and underrate how much being part of Myth is a buff. IRyS' songs just don't seem to show up at the top of the recommendations very often but that's a bit of a chicken and egg problem.

>>15380372
Why so high, what's going on tomorrow?

>>15380526
Gura is at 60k tho?

>>15380432
I mean that's sort of like Pekora, or at least was before her decline.

>>15380403
Hoshiyomis actually buy their oshis music (physically, Apple Music or Spotify) compared to EN faggots who rely on free handouts

>>15380520
>I think people overrate things like hype and announcing a release ahead of time and underrate how much being part of Myth is a buff.
This. People know about Myth, Irys and Council never made a splash, they're like side characters not truly known outside of core holowatchers. You'll see people talk about HololiveEN as if they're only Myth among normalfags.

>>15380557
30k

>>15380585
Pakora...

this is a really interesting karaoke. She isnt playing with music but jsut the ukelele.
Wouldnt consider it a debuff but it is not a buff either.
Does this classify as an acapella?

>>15380627
>using Susan-approved numbers instead of cull-corrected ones
NGMI

>>15380432
Nyanners has mogged Gura multiple times rumao.

Do chumpedos really?

>>15380614
Copeshiomis are cute today as well!

>>15380585
pakora is reclining she wont be able to beat niji noon show now. its niji gold sweep till January next year

>>15380557
>50% en cull
ogey

>>15380230
I'd like to see Kiara drop a song on the same day as Gura and Ame. Oh wait she wouldn't because she'd kill herself from the shit numbers.

30k get

30k get

>>15380653
its debuffing my ears because her sound gate is cutting out her ukelele

>>15380476
Only when playing MC. Her numbers for anything else are lower than even Ina.

Someone is trying to steal our numbers...
>>15377295

>>15380653
She's done this before. Acapella means no music at all though. I'd call this acoustic.

IRyS problem is that she NEED 3D. Literally all vsinger out there has 3D, even the small 2views one. Vsingers are dead bussiness outside od JP. She should focus to established her brand within the JP first to get enought creds for her to branch off into the global anime-esque market.

>>15380615
Heh Kronii and Mumei's original should do well too. I think the VSinger and solo debut are probably debuffs but IRyS, as much as I love her, doesn't have the meme or star power to have good numbers. She's too humble and reserved.

>>15380705
dumb nigger
>>15380707
based image poster

>>15380759
She is already done as a Vsinger, more people watch her streams vod than her songs

>>15380678
I mean....2 is multiple times, so I don't disagree in a strictly technical sense. Her birthday and that one charity stream.

>>15380759
i would say thats true for everyone. 3d and home 3d streams are a buff.

>>15380432
Oh so is HoloEN just event tourists? I thought that only applied to the NijiChads?

>>15380707
Damn, just when I thought gura can beat nijis afternoon program
Welp better wait for JST primetime then holobros, EN is so unreliable

>>15380825
She is too good of a singer to say she is "done" but she does need to change her strategy. Can't just go 6 months without new music. Need to release covers to fill the gap between originals.

>>15380696
see: >>15374725
>>15380700
>JP losing to EN
>start trying to pit EN vs EN
the absolute state of last samurais

>>15380685
Pekora';s successors will take care of anything Niji can scrape off the floor, no worries. Their own ace is in an permanent downward spiral without his Apex and there's no one to take his place.

>>15380685
looking at that everyone reclined.

>>15378084
>>15379349

This is why you don't call shit early

>>15380889
>EN polls routinely get 200% engagement of viewers
>usual poll engagement is around 20% of viewers
>EN actually has 10x the number of viewers when corrected for
She's already won.

>>15380828
gura didn't stream when nyanners had her bday stream

>>15380895
Cover debuff. She could release more music if she was doing like Mori

>>15380742
Kronii singing gets good numbers too. Her gaming content is what people are generally meh about. She needs to find something that is "hers" that's she's passionate about instead of just playing rando stuff just for something to fill time.

>>15380825
Here Comes Hope has 1.2M on Youtube and 1M+ on Spotify. Things aren't that bad.

>>15380971
>EN actually has 10x the number of viewers when corrected
C O P E
O
P
E

>>15380653
is ana coustic one but yeah the lack of music doesnt benefit her and doesnt help that she needs to put christmas songs.
But still is a 30k as isaid before.>>15380309

>>15380825
just sing kpop shit that will bring views

>>15380679
How long was Your Mori on the sale charts compared to Still Still Stellar again?

>>15380825
Songs view is indeed important but song sales, selling out concerts, and rankings are more important metric for vsingers.
>>15380831
IRyS need 3D so she can make appereance on shows, events, and concerts like Azki and Sora

>>15380971
That is a bit extreme but I wouldn't be surprised that if her viewership says 20-22k that its actually 28-30k pre-cull.

>>15381055
you cope, last samurai

>>15380976
Unfortunate for Nyanners then. I'm sure there was some other random time when she got a raid peak that put her over some mundane Gura stream though?

Oh no using holo en vs jp... what happen to orange kuzuha??? Nijisisters explain???

please sing county taylor swift instead of her newer pop stuff

>>15380969
>has to rely on Karaokes to get 30k
>Pekora gets 50k on shill stream
Kek, the absolute state of Chumpedos

>>15380265
Now imagine if Myth or Treat was on Gura's channel instead of Ame, it would have been much higher because Gura. I don't think most of Gura's subs are even aware that her genmates, IRYS or Council exist.

>>15381112
nijisisters are cranking out as much cope as they manage as this the last year they will even be in the conversation unless they do a massive attention grabbing shake up.

>>15381095
It's always somewhere in the 20-30% range.

>>15381095
It's not, we've had multiple proofs that EN polls double their displayed CCV in mere minutes, something that doesn't happen to JP, and since we know most viewers don't vote at all it all points to EN having a far larger live viewing audience in reality.

>>15381112
Gura mogged everyone tonight that's why.

>>15380899
>JP losing to EN
The day has only just fucking started are you numberfaggot that fucking retarded?
God I love how this thread goes to shit when Nijisanji wins Gold

>>15381199
Its undoubtedly true if the rrat about tabbed out views and adblock are true because westerners overwhelmingly do both.

>>15381199
Do you have proof on poll engagement? My gut feeling is that you get at least 50-60% of viewers and maybe as high as 80-90%. I don't know what the UI for them looks like on a phone though.

>>15381182
Yea, any poll longer than 6-7 minutes is going to start to encounter quite a bit of 'turnover' and as such it's unsurprising to get a lot of fuckiness of numbers after. Getting 100% engagement or higher in 5 minutes is always hilarious though.

>>15381155
What would you do if Council did an original group song, then put it on Sana's channel? Could you live with yourself knowing you existed in a world that allowed this to happen?

>>15376252
>NYE stream/NJU
this thread gonna be a bloodbath at new year

>the cull timeloop
I'm a believer but it's just so tiring at this point. Do you guys think there's a constant influx of newfags in the number thread or something? I guarantee you not a single IP here hasn't heard about the cull, and if they don't want to accept today isn't gonna be the day you change their mind with the same arguments.

>>15381112
Nijiniggers were bragging up and down about 4k for Vox. Then Gura dropped an easy 30k and put everything in perspective for them. They probably feel really small right now and are lashing out.

>>15381034
New song coming out should be called Here comes COPE ft anon

>>15381244
>Gura mogged everyone tonight
>Kuzuha just got 50k fucking around in 3D
Stop turning this thread into your house of lies

apparently, this is an NG word now 冷チキン

>>15381155
>Now imagine if Myth or Treat was on Gura's channel instead of Ame
It should've been, she funded the song and it was her idea. But oh well.

>>15381374
Only 50k for 3d, what happened?

imagine being the most subbed chuuba, having the algo at your will yet your best content gets mogged by literal whos
hilarious

>drop the ukelele
>numbers go up

>>15381457
>your best content gets mogged by literal whos
????
She's got the highest vtuber karaokes, even with these numbers.
She's got the highest viewed songs.

>>15381408
I think Ame did the most work on it, doing the whole MV, which is ultimately what made it popular.

>>15381034
Yeah, I just looked at IRyS' Spotify and the views there are actually pretty solid.

>>15380198
>Surprisingly no suisei in top 10.
It's a pretty consistent trend with Suisei's numbers, DESU. I remember Ghost came out alongside Korone's Worst Natural Disaster and Korone was beating her for like 2-3 weeks. Now Ghost is past 11m and Korone is still 2.2m ish. Similarly, the total views on Suisei's Phony is currently beating 3/10 on that list, including La+ God-ish despite releasing at roughly the same time as it. Never mind how GETCHA isn't on that list, either.

>>15381461
Yeah, but she sing T*ylor music, which is like ... Boomer music to me now ngl

>>15381296
Just look at any non-EN poll, and even if it's 80-90% it still means EN has 2x the live views compared to the made-up numbers Susan is shoveling at us.

>>15381461
>time advances forward
>numbers increase

>>15381374
65k, you stop your house of lies!

>>15381562
The pipeline goes:
Gura has the idea and funds the composer (Farhan)
Ame funds the MV (it's made by Kanauru+seafoamboy models)
Mori does the lyrics

I don't see where Ame has priority here.

>>15381457
Since when is Kuzuha a literal who you absolute mongoloid?

31k get! This is with no relay buff.

Gura! I kneel!

>>15381634
Nah, the numbers were stalled for a bit for her uke. It's not something that a lot of people stick around for vs pop songs.

>>15381296
>Do you have proof
>>15374725

>>15381707
>Gura single-handedly mogging the JP relay
I, I kneel...!!!

>>15381674
Its the box push anon. You can't just put everything on Gura's channel. All the smol 3D stuff is tied to Amelia so its natural that it would go on her channel. It also gave her a song on her channel and she didn't have one before.

>>15381572
That's why trying to compare songs on growth is fucking stupid would spread out across multiple platforms.
Hell the MV dropped after it was already up on streaming

>>15381110
just had a quick look at her peaks and I can't see any stream where nyanners had a higher peak when Gura was streaming. even the cookie run stream was beat by Gura with her DBD collab, the only reason it can be seen as a nyanners win is gura's cookie run didn't get as high

>>15376808
She needs to stop singing J-Pop crap first that fills 95% of JP holomem's portfolio and herself. EOP don't like shitty J-Pop, so IDK who IRYS is supposed to cater towards, JP or EOP. She has an incredible voice and range but her target choice of genre sucks.

>>15381618
It might be interesting to gather poll numbers vs. CCV with timestamps, but the way polls are used right now in this thread is highly unscientific.
>>15381737
I meant proof that the typical engagement is ~20%

>>15381679
In the eyes of holofags he would be

>>15381576
Yeah her numbers on the weekly rankings videos are crazy only matched by calli and she has gotten big traction among jops, while calli has a mix of jops and weebs. Myth and treat got giga buffed by the build up and Gura generates hype but not consistent listens probably because she doesn't have enough discography.

Nijisis don't look 32k.

32k get!

Now that Pekora has lost to Mori. Fubuki and Marine are going for that number 2 spot.

>>15381857
This, nip music is sugary shit, it's amazing how strong Myth's covers have been despite being debuffed by it. Imagine if Cover weren't retarded and let them cover actually good songs like songs from Lil Nas X or Ed Sheeran, their song views would shoot up into the hundreds of millions easily

>>15381737
How long did it take until that 7000? All major streams have tourists who can vote and leave. >>15374155

>>15381986
>"best singer" in EN
>only 32k
Ngmi... just shut it all down Yagoo. Pekora can get more numbers than this

>>15381749
>beaten both in karaoke relay and among us
chumbro...

Who would win?
Gura doing a karoke for the upteenth time
Or
The combined power of 15 NijiENs, 5 of them with honeymoon buffs

>>15381679
he's a literal who for the average weeb eop who gets drowned in gura recommendations

>>15377306
holy shit Elira mogging with a regular SC reading

>>15382083
Gura is at anywhere between 64k - 320k right now, how much did the JP karaoke relay peak at? 50k?

>>15382052
>He doesn't know the hell HoloEN went through to get perms for Country Roads

Using gura vs pekora now are we?? Lmao.

>>15382055
10 minutes a that point. The /#/ threads are filled with examples of the whole few minutes/double CCV to poll vote engagement ratio. Just literally look up poll+views in archives, at this point you have to willfully deny it to still think it's about long form polls only.

>>15382092
Nijijp afternoon program wins

>>15382092
seamonkeys are sleeping please understand

>>15382159
>320k
The EN cope is unreal

Stop replying to bait from cull shizo

>>15382183
>hell
You mean Cover being incompetent

>>15374199
Please stop using retarded titles. It's hard to search for the number threads whenever you fags title it anything that itsn't number/numbers.

>>15382137
>regular SC reading
y-yeah

>>15382159 02:04:28
>>15382225 02:05:29
hmm

>>15382225
>still using Susan numbers despite the cull being proven
The last samurai cope is unreal

>>15381737
I mean that wasn't that bad compare to what happened to Bae
A 10 minute stream and the poll was running for 4 minutes

>>15382077
>"best singer" in JP
>only 32k
Ngmi...just shut it all down Yagoo. Pakora could get more numbers than this just days ago

>>15382338
I think live viewers counter hadn't caught up since the start of the stream at that point.

>>15382137
I think she did a batsu game supareading, like Pomu also did a few months ago, both got like 4-5k on those

>>15382338
>pic without time

>>15382338
>A 10 minute stream and the poll was running for 4 minutes
Nice crop bro

>>15382391
It never caught up.

>>15382159
>320k
KEK

>>15382403
>>15382406
Go back to the archive thread if you want the times dickheads. I'm not here to spoonfeed you faggots

>>15382225
>post absurd nonsense
>reply to yourself
>ahaha don't people discussing the cull look silly
You've been doing this for months, no one's really falling for it.

>>15382472
Come back when there's proof holoJPs are fucked over even remotely as hard or fuck off jpshitter

>>15382005
Feels like Marine is stalling out too, doubt she'll catch Peko. Fubuki might but it's only a matter of time before she gets heavily into something people aren't really interested in and her numbers will drop off.

>>15382338
>trying so hard to make bals relevant
Councilkeks... I know she's the most hard worked in her gen, so please don't tarnish that with these lies

>>15382373
I'm still amazed on Suzy's incline. Her karaoke's used to have 10-15k viewers.

>>15382646
She gets some pretty amazing numbers despite competing in JP prime time so yes she's relevant

>>15382310
>>15382588
???

>ukulele returns
>numbers go back down
hmmm

>>15381823
Bad luck for Nyanners. Everyone forgets to post her numbers on the daily chart anyway so not like it really matters.

>>15382739
is cute but without the music it is harder to get people

>>15382712

>pink cat 14k
theyve been inclining lately

>>15382052
Those are expensive, take like 6 months to secure, and the record companies get most of your monetization. They would just be very expensive promotional material.

>>15382750
Welcome to the Hololive board.
Holofaggots should really be moved to /trash/ where they belong

>>15382898
This is the first time someone posted vshojo numbers again huh? Nice nitpicking inline I guess

>>15382898
>le no effort reaction stream

>>15382898
>reacting to videos

It's so tiresome.

>>15383009
>still higher CCV than your EN whores

>>15382898
I don't consider content leeching to be real numbers, it would be like comparing reaction channels to actual content.

>>15383009
True, but that's true for all of fucking Twitch. It is true this is above what she usually gets though.

>>15383009
Anon, Meme review exists ...

>>15382898
How twitch nigs love their react to streams huh.

>>15382973
Cover can afford it, maybe put some of their money to good use by supporting Myth instead of throwing it away on some shitty Genchink Impact clone, it's unreal how little they supported EN despite it being their most popular group

>>15382898
>reaction stream
And into the trash it goes

>>15382996
If you care so much make sure to post their numbers every day. No one's blocking them, just no one gives a shit.

>>15382898
>watch youtube vids
>get more ccv than collabing with your partenrs in a christmas party
twitch is doomed

>>15383063
>he says this while Gura has 32k

flare has a frame up for full maikura shiraken collab
how have been those doing

>>15383170
She's in myth not council

>>15383087
They shouldn't buy normie shit just start covering classic rock one hit wonders that you can get license for pocket change. But old jap men too obsessed with idol processed garbage.

>>15383053
Twitch meta is so uninspiring recently. No good new games released recently?

>4500$ superchats so far
I'd say karaoke stream would give Gura's SC numbers a big boost but she does them too rarely to matter

>>15383203
HoloEN is still HoloEN, anon

Bringing vshojo now lol. Gura single handedly make all en vtuber look good, don't be like this nijisis.

>>15382646
It sucks for Bae because she works and tries the hardest but gets screwed over. Kronii doesn't try at all, sneezes, and gets rained with viewers and subs. Mumei doesn't care about Hololive, she made that pretty clear, Fauna IDK, she has put in SOME effort, and Sana I have not idea WTF she is doing.

>>15383238
twitch meta is just collabs. Solo game streames get shit views unless is a really anticipated release.

>>15383238
Besides Endwalker (which people will avoid for Spoiler reasons?) Not really.

>>15382898
is the entirety of twitch fucked when the copyright jew comes calling?

>>15383124
Eventually they will make Bezos kneel and stop react content and all the twitch streamers will go schizo would be actually entertaining for a week or two

>thread as fucking dead as dead can be for hours
>Gura streams
>dozens and dozens of posts
Gura always helps /#/ incline I see.

>>15383248
Karaokes are pretty good for SC so far, too bad they missed out on a ton of them.

>>15382898
Jesas I hate twitch culture of "let's react to this for 2 hours"

>>15383210
HoloEN would unironically incline to the moon harder than they are now if they were split off from the incompetent nips and entirely based out of America like they should've been from the start.

>>15383316
Just like they went schizo about being unable to leech music.
>noo what the fuck do you mean I DON'T OWN THESE SONGS AND I CAN'T PLAY THEM

>>15383315
1000%.
If a group of big enough rights holders reallllllyyy wanted to use DMCA to crush Twitch, they could. I don't see it happening soon (short time frame) but if they keep doing shit like leeching from Master Chef, maybe.

I will said it again, twitch vtuber scene is dead. Anything big happen over there???

>>15383392
>2 hours
try 6

>>15383479
Twitch vtuber scene is lagging behind Niji and Holo, but if you're an average indie ENvtuber you'll get bigger numbers on Twitch by networking with their cliques.

>>15383557
Niji shit is just as lazy and uninspired as Vshojo.

>Gura is going to funnel right into a Mori rebroadcast
Oh nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMdrEksvJDg

>>15382603
haachama has more subs than ina yet lower average ccv. is she getting culled too?

>>15380198
suisei's numbers seem to not be very explosive but they've got long legs

>>15383248
That new program that lets them do monetization during the stream is really paying off.

>>15383183
Pretty good. Shiraken is like the only Minecraft group people watch nowadays

>>15383653
Non sequitur

>>15383371
It's also her Christmas stream. I think most holos would get a good portion of the unarchived karaoke money in their next stream usually anyway. More if they did an "after-party" stream.

>>15383557
Ah yes, the cliques. Otv assholes rule that place.

>>15383653
Yes, most chuubas popular with non-JP are getting culled. Goes without saying that NijiEN has also beat their NijiJP counterparts too, which is why Anykara keeps investing in them because they have the real numbers.

>>15381576
Suise's song arent something that easily gain traction or hype, but oh lawd they aged like a fine wine the more you listen to it

>>15383752
Has never been the case except for those who do after party streams, AKA Mori.

>>15383479
The best thing that happen was nux vs vshojo tho.

>>15383801
By investing you mean...literally doing nothing for them? Other than keep releasing more of them. In that sense you could say they're "investing in" Korea and Indonesia too since they keep releasing a billion vtubers in each market.

>>15383828
And do re-broadcast and grab more SC and watch hours.

>>15383691
Because they're the only one that stream as a group in MC nowadays

1 min poll barely got 10% participation. How do the holo's get 200%?

>>15383063
>ENwhore
I dunno nyanners a nip nowdays

>>15384025
Come back with the number after 10 minutes.

>>15383981
Well, perk of having a small and tight-knit group instead of a lot of people like the other 2 company

>>15383183
>how have been those doing

>>15384025
twitch is 90% bots, there are usually only 100 people in chat for every 10000 viewers

It's over JPbros...
This is what happened when EN can open SC on a Karaoke...

>>15383124
Twitch will die when that happens.

>>15380759
Nah what irys really need is covers of popular songs so the algorithm can play their part and direct the tourists to her channel. Only holo songs covers and originals mean that majority of the viewers are just holo song viewers.

>>15384183
Not even iroha tier...

>>15384025
I check random YT streams to find polls, I have yet to find ONE that ever passes the number of CCV, no matter the time
the safest option we have is the number of people using chat, yes, we know not everyone uses chat but it's more than representative to the viewer base

>>15384183
Game changing

>>15384183
wow, 5 minutes of chloe pretending to be a retard

Is the Sashimi clip channel run by the same guy who runs the Sushi clip channel? I always assumed he ran both because of the similar names

Omega gonna debut on New Year!!
https://twitter.com/omegaalpha_en/status/1475598383381647363?t=1fSwGFV6NYwg6P98cGdo6Q&s=19

>>15380759
>>15380895
Thing is, as a Vsinger, she ironically are not allowed to freely release song, it all have to be under Cover management. They will decide when she get to release a song or have 3D

>>15384414
>A tranny to rule them all

>>15384450
For originals sure but where was it ever stated that she can't release covers like everybody else?

>>15384414
I actually kind of interested in him if he actually debut. His tweets are funny

>>15384335
I think so, it's a bit cheeky too
Sashmi = Raw (untranslated clips)
Sushi = cooked (though not always)(translated clips).

So many split POV for holos today
Shiraken MC, HoloX MK at the same time slot
Guess niji take the gold with afternoon program

>>15384414
he will speak with a male and female voice at the same time right?

>>15384523
The only thing I've heard her say about a Cover is that someone reached out to her and said "do you want to do a cover of this?" and I think it's in production hell at the moment. It should be safe to assume that it at least needs approval from her management.

>>15384547
You sure about that? The livers on this time, are they nearly as big of a draw? Toya was in yesterday's after all.

>>15383981
They are also the only group that doesn't have Kanata as an employee. Coincidence?

>>15384025
Twitch counts bots, afk people ect.

>>15383801
so tell me what's the ratio of subs:ccv
because miko and noel have pretty much the same amount of subs but their average ccv does not match, in fact noel has more subs yet lower ccv and i'm pretty sure miko is more popular with non-jp than noel

>>15384414
Nah, sounds more like 3D debut for Myth

>>15384703
Nah it's coincidence
UsaKen is not sustainable because it's less of a group of friend but more like Pekora's followers
Akukin is well...Akukin
At least Pekora managed to build Pebottle group from UsaKen. Unrelated but I actually think Rushia love Pekora

>>15384298
>pretending

>>15384837
How many fucking times does it need to be said?
Ratio of subs to CCV is a garbage metric and you're an idiot to even bring it up.

Tick tock Akua, PPT is coming for your top 5 spot

>>15384536
He must be making more than most Holos.

He'll use TTS like that retard in Vshoujo.

>>15384854
Omega threatened Abe if he didn't open the borders.

>>15384928
Is crazy how much Kanata grow in sc, I still remember when she was behind Kuzuha and look at her now

>>15384989
Based if true

>>15383479
it's slowly getting LSF buffed

>>15384958
Ad rev for short clips isn't the same, also no merch/sc/memberships.
He probably beats the lowest tier holos if you're going off of just pure ad rev for clips though, it's a loooooot of views a month.

>>15384626
I'd go for a collective voice using a handful of people. Does limit Omega to pre-recorded videos, but it avoids the problem of staff turnover significantly changing the voice.

>>15384854
doesnt make sene since that would be after ID

>>15384854
If Omega threw the gauntlet down, said fuck it, and disappeared just to finally get Myth 3D done I will take back everything bad I said and forever KNEEL to that bastard.

>>15384837
Subs and ccv are unrelated. Subs is just "maximum amount of people who might theoretically be notified you are streaming" nothing more.

The FBK vs Pekora sub race is kind of putting me on edge right now. Someone should just pump like 100k sub to FBK and get it over with
It might also give Pekora motivation to actually try again

>>15384928
It's over.
My poor Aqua...
You was a the top of the food chain my nigga and now... you aint even top 5 no more soon.
Fuck these bugmen from chinkland making aqua hate streaming

>>15385032
Hard pandering to unicorns give you that.

>>15385095
Omega seems higher up on the totem pole than your standard manager so I don't think turnover will be an issue.

>>15384536
Actually the location for Sashimi is United States so maybe not?

>>15385180
yeah, she's cute

Nijihomos superchat numbers???

>>15385168
Aqua is coming for a second wind. She has upcoming events next year. Subaru and Nenechi seems to have a positive effect on her.

>>15385168
Aqua is mah nigguh

>>15385144
>It might also give Pekora motivation to actually try again
Why? Pekora never held the nr 1 spot once. She quickly lost the nr 2 spot to Mori. What makes you so sure she cares?

>>15385213
Huh. Good point, but it's at least a nod to Sushi then.

>>15385096
Not if Japan keeps covid restrictions for ID a lot longer than for the US, Cover isn't gonna blow their window to get EN's 3D done just out of deference to "order".

>>15384536
doubt it. sashimi is a doxxbeat

>>15385144
>It might also give Pekora motivation to actually try again
That seems unfair, Pekora always streams a ton and was in a lot of 3D events recently, she's not slacking at all.

>>15385277
Well it will at least get all the shitpost over with

>>15385277
JP top spot is it's own thing, competing with Gura is impossible.

>>15385269
Aqua is monke

>>15385144
anon once holos surpass 1M subs they stop giving a shit maybe with some exceptions but most of them don't care

>>15384922
so what is the metric that makes someone certain gura should have x10 her current ccv but is getting "culled". is it because of the video views? because kanata and fubuki have the same average video views but their ccv is way off

>>15376620
Ame disables her SC a lot compared to Kiara or Calli who leaves them on all stream. During SC readings, Ame usually enable them while Kiara has her on throughout her SC reading, so if someone superchats her, there's a high chance that she will read it and the sender will get notice and send more SC. Heck, Ame turns off SC during games as well and she does it frequently. I remember during her last Celeste stream, she turns off SC off like an hour in, then proceeds to stream for another 4 hours without SC, then only turns them on AFTER she beats the game and for the last minute of the stream. Usually when someone is about to beat a game, they get showered with SC, but she didn't because she hates money. This is just one example of many, and I think Ame could get WAY more SC if she she stops disabling SC.

>>15385427
>holos
>not caring about subs
nah

>>15385598
>so what is the metric that makes someone certain gura should have x10 her current ccv but is getting "culled"
The metric called "cope"

>>15385643
like I said after 1M they dont

https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1475662966309933058
I'm cumming

>>15385637
Meant to say Ame disables SC.

>>15384837
The whole point of subs is to show companies and potential sponsors how popular a youtuber is retard.

>>15385705
Damn, new year outfits this fast

>>15385705
that's fast.

>>15385705
HOLY SHIT HOLO X AND NENECHI?!

>>15385705
fuck yes

>>15385705
The fuck? New year costumes already? I see Nenechi gets hers too, which one is she? Far right?

>>15385705
100k each stream for HoloX
80k for Nene

>>15385705
Nene and Holo X outfits?

>>15385705
council don't look

>>15385690
Yea, anything greater than the 20-30% cull MAX (jp has ~10-20% cull) based off of adblock usage is nonsense. Even then, I don't like trying to factor that into CCV because then you open a can of worms since we do not have HARD NUMBERS because YT's blackbox algo is some real horseshit.