/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>15362918
I think it was creative mostly differences but the Taiwan yab and the following autistic bug harassment is what finally pushed her to reincarnate

>>15362918
Haachama is the strongest but she is also a woman. She is driven by emotion.

Managementhatebros...we need to ignore her..

>>15362918
Not being able to do fuckall including angering China kind of is a creative difference...

>>15362918
It's clear that Coco was probably butting heads with management a lot. The china bullshit is probably one that specifically pushed her over the edge.

>>15363103
kill yourself
immediately

>>15362918
No fucking shit, retard

>>15363071
Creative differences like showing her ass and tits on stream

>>15362918
The post-holiday depression is real

>>15363216
imagine you had to talk to a jannie on discord to get approval for every shitpost you make
such is the life for a corpo chuuba

>>15363414
Imagine it being your job, you're paid tens of thousands $ monthly for

So is she confirming that Coco showed the analytic intentionally to cover for Haachama? Were the chinks right?

Why is Coco's 2nd anniversary trending? They sure they didn't care about Kson to stick around so why celebrate one now? Let it go Cocofags. Coco isn't coming back.

>>15362918
Pretending it was issues with management was always a massive tatsunoko cope

>>15363536
>Were the chinks right?
Kneeling to chinks, pathetic

>>15363503
imagine getting paid more by just quitting your job and starting a business in the same line of work

>>15362918
Wait, you all said "Coco did it because Haachama did it" was just a Chinese rrat.

"Creative differences" is an age-old PR bullshit term for fall-outs that could have any possible reason, usually drama.

In Coco's case I don't think anyone would have continued slaving away for that black company after they literally fucking modded chink antis in her chat. It's one thing to do nothing to help her (which they are guilty of), it's one thing to actively make the situation worse (by banning her from EN collabs for example), but they probably hurt her more than the chinks simply because they decided to fucking mod them which let them ban all of Coco's actual members.

I'm sure when that happened she decided to quit.
Yes Cover tried to damage control and appease her with meaningless too little too late gestures, but there's no reason to go back on a decision like that because what they did was absolutely unforgivable.
Not to mention Coco undoubtedly realized she'd be able to get by fine as an indie so Cover couldn't offer her anything regardless.

>>15362918
It's not just that.
Because of china's harassment, Coco was also having a a hard time doing what she did best, which was collabing, she was isolated for a long time, EN management did their best efforts to not associate with Coco at all for example.

So creative differences was mostly a code for "management is scared because I might anger the investors again"

>>15363620
I mean that was literally their rrat and part of their justification for targeting her ("She is intentionally antagonizing us, Haachama made an honest mistake")

>>15363731
She had a collab every single week, she collabed more than any other holo in the company

>>15363636
She would have never made it big if she didn’t leech viewers from her corporate persona. She would be just another 2view if she wasn’t known as coco before.

>>15363636
She can do it only because she got big and popular as Coco, that's not argument

>>15363731
So all those meme reviews were all inside my head, huh?
Maybe I'm a Haaton after all

Hololive did everything they could to appease Coco but she still quit, that makes her an entitled bitch.

>>15363830
>>15363834
so?

>>15363536
Of course she was. She didn't know the chinks would be so gay and retarded about it, because any normal person wouldn't even conceive of being offended by something like that. After they got mad she then had to lie because she was aware of just how autistic they were about finding things to be offended by. All the while everyone knew she had to assuage the bug horde by saying what they wanted to hear.

>>15362918
More like Haachama doesn't actually understand why Coco decided to leave. Coco made it very clear that the anti situation was not the main reason, just another aspect of it.

>>15363903
Always has been

>>15363536
Go back to CCCP 1984 the game.

While Coco did absolutely get bitchslapped by management, the narrative doesn't make much sense as a whole. Not only did Coco end up being able to collab with EN, she even convinced Haachama to stay in Hololive when she thought about quitting (which most likely really WAS because of "creative differences" aka management being cunts),

Leaving because of chinks is the most likely case, although it's a bit weird that she announced the graduation shortly after Youtube finally implemented anti-spam features on a couple of Hololive channels.

>>15363650
Anons habitually can't tell the difference between their asses and a hole in the ground. Why would you ever believe anything you see here?

>>15363536
Also...I doubt it was intentionally even so. The yab with Haachama was being light very light as she is Haachama and the chinks aparently didn't have her as a prefered target.

>>15362918
Of course it is. The bugmen deserved to burn in hell

>>15364025
Dude that was only way towards the end, when her decision to leave was already set in stone.

I hate bugmem so fucking much it's unreal bros.
How could they hate one anime girl so much just because she streamed a flag?

>>15364124
>she streamed a flag?
she showed a youtube stats chart that had the words taiwan and country too close for autists

>>15364124
remember this anger you are feeling when you get drafted to exterminate them

>>15364124
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people

Bugmen are pretty much the most soulless race on the planet.

>>15364124
Saying Taiwan is not China is equivelant to saying the Nanjing Massacre did not happen. You have no idea how many people it affects on a very personal level.

china should spam chammers and leave fubuki alone tbqhwy

>>15364124
>How could they hate one anime girl so much just because she streamed a flag?
It's a mix of conformist Asian mentality and being fed propaganda your whole life while being unable to access information outside of that bubble (without being tech-savvy and endangering yourself that is).

>>15364265
It doesn't affect people though.

>>15364328
it's pretty much just one or two autists and a bunch of bots at this point

>>15364265
nanjing massacre was war propaganda blow out of proportions
if it happened nanjing wouldnt have been a sprawling city with thousands of refugees arriving every day during the nipponese occupation but an abandoned ash pile

>>15363903
>Hololive did everything they could to appease Coco
Maybe after she already announced her graduation. The staff did nothing to help her with the chinks, the one time she left them a list of antis to ban they instead modded all of them and let them run wild through her chat, leaving her to unmod and unban everyone herself. They quarantined Coco away from EN despite her being the most fluent member of the main branch and arguably the reason why HoloEN was made in the first place. Holojannies constantly upped limitations and oversight on her projects like the meme review and they outright killed asacoco. I haven't entirely enjoyed the direction she's gone in as K-son, but acting like she wasn't 100% justified in leaving Hololive just makes you sound like a faggot shill.

>>15364265
Is it though? Is it really equivalent? Is saying that a country that calls itself an independent county is actually a country the same as saying that a wartime genocidal massacre didn't happen? I mean I get that life is cheap in China, but if you really want it to be equal be my guest, though maybe all those raped and murdered people probably would've disagreed.

>>15364534
>Her content is the same
>But she was right on leaving, just trust me bro.
I see, isee.

>>15364695
Nanjing is the capital of the Republic of China.

>>15365061
I thought it was beijing

>>15364534
>the direction she's gone in as K-son
Literally nothing has changed besides her avatar

Not a single person outside nijiggers use the term "creative freedom" and its extensively used for shilling Nijisanji
Why do they keep associating and pushing that garbage on hololive?

>>15363536
Of course they were. We just hate the chinks and think their opinion doesn't matter. Asacoco was a pre-recorded show and she had a history of adding things at the last minute before

>>15365061
I didn't say it wasn't ESL-kun

>>15365052
that's what bugs(no pun intended) me the most, her content is the same, heck, she is tamer now as Kson. Cosplay, gunpla, in general 3dp streams don't really count, she could stream them easily as Kson while being Coco. The sense of "behind the stage" fuckery is strong with this one

>>15362918
In Haachama's mind Coco wouldn't have left if not for the whole incident. I don't think we'll ever know what would have happened in a timeline where the Taiwan incident didn't occur. I don't think Coco knows either. She might have still left, but much later down the line, or she and management might have had more room to work things out without the 7 ton elephant in the room for half her Hololive career.

>>15363536
well assuming haachama didnt show them and coco did show them and then immediately apologizing nothing major would've happened, chinks got specially mad because they assumed coco did it on purpose bc at the time not even 24hs had transcurred since the haachama yab. realistically coco was asleep during it and had the asacoco gags already prepared

>>15363830
>leech off yourself and your own hard work
Immense cope.

>>15362918
>numberfagging about her viewers
>"accidently" showed the analytics page
holy gaslighting

>>15364071
chinks thought Haachama didn't do it to hurt them because she was one of the few Holos still interacting with the community there a lot after they drove off Matsuri/Pekora/Choco/etc months earlier. Coco on the other hand had never streamed on Bilibili and was in their fantasies openly anti-Chinese and had done numerous supposed attempts to rile them up, they thoght it was done specifically to target them out in the open

>>15365857
What did they do to piss off Matsuri, Pekora, and Choco other than being Chinese?

>>15365922
Pekora broke her promise to stream in bb

>>15365857
If she was really sorry she wouldn't put "If you didn't like it, fuck you and never come back" at the end of her stream. She brought it upon herself (and Hololive) thinking she can just troll the chinks epic style and it will be over after a month

>>15366138
did that card hurt your feelings ping-pong?

>>15366012
Fair enough, but it's hard to say you ran someone off if they didn't even bother showing up in the first place.

>>15365340
Out of interest, given Japanese permission autism would Gunpla represent a licensing issue if she were still in Hololive?

>>15366012
she never made that promise, that was a figment of chink delusions

>>15365922
One of the questions in Choco's test involved Tibet

>>15363693
No chinks allowed in here, fuck off

>>15364265
Except she didn't say that. Google did.

>>15362918
Le creative difference is a schizo rrat created from this shithole. You don't see it repeated anywhere else, do you?
The chinks weren't letting up and even ramping up on other Holos. Coco mistakenly thought that if she graduated, things will calm down for them. She thought she was the lightning rod, and so she left.

>>15366256
how? private channel have nothing to do with her work as Coco.

>>15366297
Did they spaz out about it and make her edit the VOD? I know a some point Korone showed the Tibet flag too.

>>15362918
>Haato numberfags and mentions Taiwan
>Vod gets deleted, management is pissed, chinks are surprised, but not amgry
>Coco sees this
>Coco numberfags about Taiwan ONE DAY LATER
>Chinks are now actually pissed, because now it looks like a provocation by some american whore
>Haato gets suspended
>Coco gets suspended
>Coco gets treated like shit for one year
>Retires and moves on

>>15366456
It did, although it had kind of dropped off before she left anyway. They only occasionally bother Fubuki who could really give a shit about them and is currently having the two best months of her professional career. Aqua's antis are partially Chinese but mostly other factions of people with their own unique mental derangements.

It hurts knowing Haachama has had this bottled up the whole time.
You can tell when she is streaming she feels off at times.
She still thinks this was her fault despite Coco just not wanting anything to do with the idol shit that Cover was pushing even harder. She never joined for that shit. She had her fun and got out.
Haachama, it isn't your fault. Stop this.
The management are retarded, this is well known, but it wasn't your fault.
People are going to leave Hololive one day. It can't be helped. Good things don't last forever.

>>15363414
Haachama's manager had no idea about her R-18 stream and some of the talents (e.g. Noel) don't have managers.

>>15366636
Ogey

>>15366607
Aren't APEXfags Aqua's primary source of antis at the moment?

>>15366138
What is your next step, saying woman that got rape ask for it because of mini skirt?

She should quit Hololive and join Kson

>>15366761
She won't

>>15366674
Yes, and deserved so.

>>15366761
And a ching chong to you as well

>>15366674
Yeah even though she hasn't touched it in months and maybe never will again.

>>15366636
Nigger we don't know what really happened behind the scenes, Haato is not that naive, she milks Coco and bait her graduation almost every month.

>>15363939
Because she didn't want to fan the flames again, or maybe even just to convince herself. She always downplayed herself but the way she conducted herself makes it clear that she was actually pretty proud of her accomplishments and how the other girls looked up to her. Now imagine you have to tell everyone that you are giving up because the hate and bullying you prevailed through from both sides for the past few months was finally more than you could take and that you were giving up.

People can argue here whatever they want, but if you attack and make mobs to attack people online for a country who slaves you, you are just dumb or ignorant, probably both.

>>15366931
anon, to be stupid and ignorant, first you have to be sentient, chinks are not.

>>15366927
What I'm saying is, I lied to myself for less legit reasons before..

>>15366499
She told them to fuck off in the kindest way possible by reading out the rules to her stream. Funny enough this was also directed to anti's who harassed her by accusing her of using Nijisanji meta tags.

>>15366348
Publishing a message is endorsement of that message.

>>15367254
No, it is not. Haachamma and Coco had no choice in how their Youtube analytics pages were displayed, and had no reason to believe that doing so would be a problem.

>>15366547
zhang hands posted this
neither of them were suspended and neither was korone that did the same thing

>>15367254
>Publishing a message is endorsement of that message.
are you underage?

>>15366654
>and some of the talents (e.g. Noel) don't have managers
Noel has a manager you don't know what you are talking about.

>>15367254
How so? Explain your reasoning.

>>15366900
Proof?

>>15362918
This pre-supposes that Coco would somehow magically not be a loud and obnoxious half-breed that did everything in her power to agitate people.

See anon, there's a REASON no one from Hololive goes on her new life channel, and it's not because of management shit

>>15367711
Unless....

>>15367711
'Member that time Mel and Choco streamed with Kson on their alt accounts? Really makes you think.

>>15364124

So at the end of the day, what are your actual thoughts about what haachama did today?
Outside of just calling her a leech thinking you're being a contrarian when in reality you sound like a retard.

>>15367711
Why are chinks so retarded?

>>15367711
>See anon, there's a REASON no one from Hololive goes on her new life channel
Nice tried chink. At least check some of her streams before talking out of your ass. A few certain guests did join her.

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>>15367928
It's just two so far. Her actual roommate doesn't need to count. They're already doing offpako everyday. So who else. I don't even need names just gimme number, fag

>>15368065
>no one
>it is just two
What next?

>>15368065
Matsuri's roommate is an inevitability, she superchatted her on her debut stream and then talked on twitter about the takoyaki stream.

>>15368065
Number is not going to help you unless you stop being a retard.

>>15367399
>neither of them were suspended
Nice try newfagchama, but they were suspended for 3 weeks.

https://twitter.com/akaihaato/status/1310184016172077056
https://twitter.com/kiryucoco/status/1310183504982847488
https://twitter.com/cover_corp/status/1310182796862791681

>>15367711
She has streamed twice with Mel and Choco, both online and offline. Matsuri's roommate also sent an orange superchat on her redebut stream.

But of course you already know this, you just decide to ignore it because you are zhang.

>>15362918
people unironically believes that she graduated due to creative differences? Her content right now is exactly the same as before.

Coco herself said on her last month that "maybe if 'that' didn't happen..."
The two things are related, anon. She was willing to deal with the zhangs, what really impacted her was that management became so afraid of yabs that they started being too restrictive. And the zhangs didn't exactly go away either, so it's not like she wouldn't have to deal with them anyway.
At the end of the day, no zhang yab = no graduation, but it's not as direct as "harrassment from chinks made me leave", she could take the harrassment.

>>15368197
Wouldn't shock me if she hung out with devilcube either. Seems she basically decided "fuck it", did the video with Syd, starting posting a ton on twitter, showed herself with her mask down ect.

>>15366256
>given Japanese permission autism would gunpla represent a licensing issue.
anon there are several Plamo hobbyist that builds gunpla in streams in both youtube and twitch, heck the only babiniku I watch is pretty good at building out kitbashes and customs, heck even E-thots got into it at some point that some retards in the community started sperging about it.

>>15368430
My rrat exactly. Harassment she can deal with, but it bleeding to other holols (her friends) was not ogey. She seems like that type of person

>>15367711
Retard

>>15368550
This and unironically

>>15368550
Coco would know more than anyone that they’re souless bugs, I for one dont think chink hate would get to me simply because I know what they are

>>15367192
Choco actually apologized for that before it

>>15362918
Just a reminder that Nijisanji(Ars I think) also showed the analytics yet nobody said a thing about it, the Taiwan thing was just an excuse of a plan the chink branch had in mind for a long time to take over the company, Coco literally saved the company by doing this.

>>15369141
>A-soul
> Artia

This may be truely the best

It was never Haachama's fault, plenty of Holomemes did it before.
It was entirely on Coco to stick her nose onto it and take a bullet she didn't need to, that shit would have died quick otherwise but Coco just had to ram a fuel truck into a little tiny fire.

Then Coco was always butting heads with management, she was incredibly impulsive and just did whatever the fuck she wanted, if it wasn't this it would have something else.

>>15369097
She's actually also mentioned in her last month that she was aware that she still had fans who loved her on that chink site, and she was very grateful for them. She's unfortunately unaware that they are not human.

>>15367809
WOW, 2 irrelevant nobodies.
You sure showed him.

>>15369248
>It was entirely on Coco to stick her nose onto it and take a bullet she didn't need to, but did because she is based*

>>15366256
Bandai will put Gundam in anything and everything. They would probably make a custom paint job model kit for hololive to sell if they asked.

>>15369386
retard

>>15366012
>Pekora broke her promise to stream in bb
Which she didn't even promise. Her bb's channel manager made up the whole thing and then tried to strong arm her into streaming.
Even without the Taiwan yab, bilibili had shown to work against the interest of Cover a bunch of times with their community managers going rogue. Granted this is also Cover's fault for letting fans run their chuuba's account instead of hiring actual managers.

>>15369386
>no one
>it is just 2 irrelevant nobodies
I can see why people call you a retard.

For those of you who don't speak Japanese or are retarded, what Haato is referring to is the fact that Cover enacted their schizo management policies specifically because of the Taiwan yab, to avoid anything like it happening again, and the Taiwan yab happened because two Holos coincidentally talked about their analytics within a ~12 hour period, so the chinamen thought one of them must have been done on purpose and sperged out. If Haato hadn't done it in her Minecraft stream, they wouldn't have given a shit when Coco did it on Asacoco, and if they didn't give a shit then management wouldn't have become schizos, and Coco wouldn't have quit.

>>15369480
This is a rrat, there is no way 1. two of them would accidentally have taiwan in there and 2. the manager of the other wouldnt have warned or they wouldnt have realized that they got in trouble for having it in there. I think coco did it on purpose

>>15366256
The answer you're really looking for is that Oga from Holostars does Gunpla streams. I don't know about the licensing side of things, but regardless of how easy or hard it is to get those rights, Cover has them.
I have to imagine that it's a massive pain in the ass to build those with gloves, but other than that it should be fine.

>>15369701
>holomanagers are not stupid
Nice narrative.

>>15366674
I hate APEX and everyone who plays it.

>>15369701
>holomanagers are not stupid
dyrbi? This was before Yagoo cleaned house with all their incompetent managers and hired new ones.

>>15363772
That was after the graduation was approved anon.
Literally the week after.

>>15369762
There is stupidity, then there is being blatantly uninformed on a topic that would have been number 1 priority. Cover has literal offices, there is no way not a single person working for them gave out warnings after haachamas yab. Coco saviorfagging is an easier explanation than cover being COMPLETELY disorganized. Cover has been shit, they usually are not braindead retarded, while coco has saviorfagged multiple times in the past

>>15369701
Then you are a dumbass. It was hours apart. Coco doesn’t watch other member’s stream and asacoco take hours to make. And you expect haachama manager to warn other about it in a span of a couple of hours? Lol, you are just dumb.

>>15369900
They made chinks mod for her channel you dumbass.

>>15369900
>there is no way not a single person working for them gave out warnings after haachamas yab
is called being human

>>15369900
Anon, literally the only thing that happened was Coco's manager didn't notice that one slide said "countries" on it. An oversight that small caused all of this shit. That's not massive incompetence, it's a simple human error. That's why Cover went full shizo and requires approval from a panel of upper managers to do any premade shows these days.

>>15369888
Anon did you forget that meme review went on for an entire year? Chink yab didn't stop it either, she still had new guests every week. The only ones she was blocked from were the ENs, and honestly with how she humiliated them on stream maybe the manager feared her for more reasons other than chinks

>>15369926
>And you expect haachama manager to warn other about it in a span of a couple of hours? Lol, you are just dumb.
Yes, haachamas managers without a doubt told cover about her bringing up taiwan and how it was an issue, if you dont believe that you have either never worked in a company/organization or are retarded
>>15369967
Again, this is a retarded mistake, not a lack of information that would have been circulating
>>15370083
Companies are not human, this was either haachamas managers fault, or cocos saviour fagging, which we have ample evidence of her doing

>>15369701
Chama streamed in Bilibili side that day. It is impossible to warn other by 7-8 hours at midnight.

>>15370147
>she wasn’t even invited to the new year celebration until the last second.

>>15370197
> ample evidence

Are you chink?

>>15370143
>Coco's manager didn't notice that one slide said "countries" on it. An oversight that small caused all of this shit. That's not massive incompetence, it's a simple human error.
Coco made the presentation, not her manager, either coco made the mistake/ didnt know it was a mistake because of her manager, or she did it on purpose. There is basically no way of knowing which and for any other person I would lean on mistake, but judging from her character/response to it I think it was intentional. She covered for gen 4, she covered for aqua, to me it is more likely she chose to cover for haachama than cover being THAT retarded

>>15370197
I never said her manager didn’t warn other you dumbass. I said she might not do it in a span of a couple hours. Asacoco take place in the early morning, haachama stream at fucking night, use your fucking brain as to why coco didn’t get the message on time, it is not fucking hard.

>>15370258
Im defending coco how is that being a chink?

>>15370310
>>15369900
>>15369701
Why do you jiggers love peddling this rrat so much

>>15370340
>>15370219
>coco wouldnt read messages from her friends and ESPECIALLY managers and just stream
use your head, this is a company not a relationship, you dont just leave people on read

>>15370225
Nice change of goalposts

>>15370394
You don't even watch clips, faggot. Holomems have admitted to leaving their discord on read (from other members, and managers) more than once.

>>15370502
>leaving their discord on read
Retard

>>15370394
You are retarded. Why the fuck do you think haachama’s manager would place this as top priority? No one know chinks were that sensitive. You are under the delusion that right after haachama’s stream, her manager sent out a company wide message to warn everyone to not say taiwan, in the middle of the fucking night.

>>15363154
Anon is the strongest but he is also a faggot. He is driven by sucking dicks.

>>15370310
>judging from her character/response to it I think it was intentional
If you think Coco would intentionally fuck up her friends' business then you really do not understand her character at all.

>>15370394
Gura take a long ass time to answer her manager. Kronii didn’t notice bae was trying to call her on discord. You want other example? How retarded are you?

>>15370502
You're so fucking retarded...

>>15370394
Retard and should fuck off now

>>15370640
>Why the fuck do you think haachama’s manager would place this as top priority?
Because it was top priority
>No one know chinks were that sensitive.
Yes they do
>You are under the delusion that right after haachama’s stream, her manager sent out a company wide message to warn everyone to not say taiwan
Yes, this likely didnt happen though because Its doubtful the chinese lost their minds over it that soon, there were probably 200 chinks in the stream and thats being generous that told others about it on whatever government forums they have over there

>>15370640
>her manager sent out a company wide message to warn everyone to not say taiwan
this is stupid I WILL SCREAM TAIWAN UNTIL THE END OF TIMES.

>>15370747
>>15370724
Do you retards know what "left on read" means? I know you never talk to be so you dont, but it means you have READ someones message but dont respond.

>>15370758
Low quality baiting

>>15370758
How the fuck did they know the chink was that sensitive? And again you are making the manager out to be super competent when there are multiple example of them being incompetent and let’s not mention that this was at the middle of the night.

>>15370803
You are stupid to think Haachama manager capable sent wide message because mere word in midnight.

>>15370855
And Haachama said in Bilibili side

They use Mandarin not Nihongo

>>15370869
a-anon are you okay? You didn't have a stroke writing this right?

>>15370905
He is a chinamen in heat anon

>>15363693
The one thing cover would allow is collabs with the other cover-owned characters. Of course, the worth of that is to be determined.The friendships made there can continue offline, but will be a bit harder perhaps.
Of course, new friendships can be made in other areas so shrug.

>>15363830
>she profited off of her own work, how dare she
weakest post in the thread, beyond even the CCP shills.

>>15363880
Always were.

>>15370905
Haachama said in Bilibili side and they use Mandarin. Haachama's manager cannot read Mandarin and never warn anyone because it is nothing burger at that time.

>>15363923
The story I remember reading / believing at the time was that she did purposefully add the thing, but it was to cover for the other girl / purposefully take the heat onto herself as the highest earner so they wouldn't fire the other girl as appeasement. Martyrdom, basically.

>>15364071
The chinks eat up anyone they can, it's their culture.

>>15366713
It's more the equivalent of being a loli in a microbikini surrounded by bald fat men and saying "what are you gonna do, rape me?"
It wasn't her fault but it's still incredibly fucking stupid

>>15363923
Why did chinks think coco did it intentionally compared in the first place compared to haachama?

it might just be coco never tell anyone her true reason

>>15370803
You are fucking retarded, I presented to you some example of talents either ignore or didn’t notice messages until later. Why the fuck do you assume that she read it? Or that it was sent before her stream?

Coco gave her life so that Holo could be saved from chink pandering forever. I will never forget her sacrifice.

>>15371197
>Why the fuck do you assume that she read it? Or that it was sent before her stream?
You are assuming she ignored her manager,(leaving someone on read meaning you still got information if you arent supposed to do something) im assuming the company operated as they should, which is much less of an reach than yours

>>15371246
Im suprised cover shut down cn, pretty ballsy move for companies in general let alone japs

>>15371171
They are clipwatchers and don't really know anything about Coco or her personality, just like many Anons here.

>>15371262
Cover already posted on twitter at the time that nobody knew because management didn't warn anyone about what happened to Haachama.

Why are you 2 faggots arguing about this when Cover themselves admitted it was their fault.

>>15371262
There are example of other talents doing it(not left it on read, just didn’t notice it) And it was in the middle of the fucking night. And did you forget the holocaust. You simple ignore all the evidences of the managers being incompetent to fit your dumbass narrative.

>>15365061
What kind of answer is this. Beijing is the capital.

>>15365171
I'm almost entirely out of the vtuber loop (new to the board), but to be fair I've heard the term many times in creative-aligned jobs. Take that as you will. (I don't even know what a nisanji is)

>>15367408
>>15367599
It's a common line of thinking in the US, to the point there have been court cases over it.
However it's been decided that it is not.
Now, that's only to say there are enough people to believe this that it's been an issue.
It's not that uncommon.

>>15367853
Why do dogs bark?

>>15371262
Pretty sure haachama and coco don’t have the same manager.

https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1317642072648609792

>>15368421
Creative differences can be polite speak for many things. I think Cover takes about half of the superchat money, plus youtube probably gets a cut I think(?).

>>15362918
Of course it was. Only newfags and retards thought it was some "creative differences"

>>15371414
You think that dumbass would take this as evidence when it is going against his narrative? Just watch how he spin this shit into being a lie by cover and coco was aware of it just because.

>>15371369
Retard im said it was the managers fault, they probably just didnt know as opposed to “coco just didnt see the message” which is retarded. Cover as a company are incompetent, but permissions were youtube/copyrights fault

https://twitter.com/a37141488/status/1475537334397325317?t=QbYv4KpMIL1HgtUcZt7kYg&s=19
rumao

>>15371516
>>15371527
Retard, I do believe it, but it very easily could be cover trying to COVER coco. Taking companies at their word among scandals is stupid even if they’re telling the truth

>>15371587
Lol right on cue.

>>15366830
naaah her apex ranked streams are one of the best content on the internet
shit's kino
ur just a faggot

>>15371636
>Retard, I do believe it
Didnt read the first 5 words of my post

>>15371187
Coco's fate like Kazuma who has to die for the happiness of those around her/him.

In Yakusa 6 : song of life

Kazuma want to save Haruto from being involved in the Yakuza industry or being killed. He has to be dead.

With Coco graduated
Her's kouhais like Irys, Council and 6th generation can debut and grow up without Chinks spamming anymore.She must be dead for them.

With Kiryu Kazuma's dead
Haruka can live a peaceful life with Yuta and he can repay her's kindness for received a bullet for him in Yakusa1

With Coco's dead
Hololive can grow up on desirest path and she take all blame about rebellion to manager with her. Hololive members and managers can coexist now and they are stronger than before.

Kazuma, who has died socially, will never see Haruka and Haruto a second time.

Coco who graduated will never get collab with Kanata and Hololive members in her channel forever.

Kiryu Kazuma died to ensure that his love ones would not be hunted down and be protected.

Kiryu Coco graduated to ensure that Kanata and the rest of Hololive members will be treaten appropriately by management. No banishment room and power abuse anymore. They become talents's supporter not their's boss anymore.

Kiryu Kazuma never said that he sacrificed himself for Haruka, Yuta and Haruto.

Kiryu Coco never said what she did was for Kanata and the rest of Hololive.

They are more important than him/her life

She/he just walked away into the shadow silently.

For those they love, he/she have to dead
this is the fate of Kiryu....

Ryu ga gotoku : Song of Hololive

>>15371587
>simple fuckup by a company with a documented history of gigantic fuckups, such as not knowing what copyright is for two years
>a conspiracy that doesn't make any sense
pick one

>>15363147
China is what made management clamp down even harder, so any existing problems not only got worse BUT she also had to deal with the anti spamming.

>>15371685
>but it very easily could be cover trying to COVER coco.
Read the rest of your post. You claim to believe it but also throw in shit like this.

>>15371720
I pick both
>>15371742
I know you’re american

>>15371799
>I believe it
>BUT
And I know you are a chink.

>>15371799
I smell chink from you

Coco's Asacoco topics and gags aren't shat out at the last minute, they're all prepared ahead of time and have to be approved by management first and Coco has to edit all the slides, images, videos or whatever together, so it's highly unlikely Coco decided to talk about Taiwan to take the heat off of Haachama, especially considering the initial "heat" wasn't that big at first, there was no spamming or major harassment, just disgruntled bugmen and dislikes, no different than when the nip antis get butthurt about something. Cover's retarded management decided to not warn the talents about it, maybe because it wasn't as big of a deal at first or maybe they just entirely forgot they approved Coco to talk about it on Asacoco so they didn't realize there was a time limit on when they had to warn talents, either way Coco is no more at fault than Haachama here, it's just a complete underestimation of how autistic bugmen can be.
This >>15362918 is not a factual statement of Coco's perspective on the matter and whether or not it was actually due to "creative differences" or the pressure of bugmen weighing on her or upper management doing a horrible job of looking out for Coco or all three, this is Haachama blaming herself for the incident because she's feels guilty about it. It's an understandable feeling, and perhaps if Haachama hadn't shown her analytic and Coco showed hers alone the bugmen wouldn't have been as riled up, no-one can really answer that because we don't exist in a timeline where that happened, but the main thing to take from this is it's highly unlikely Coco actively chose to do what she did as a result of what Haachama did, and in my opinion the bugmen already had it out for Coco for a while prior to this so they were really just looking for an excuse to attack, so Haachama shouldn't blame herself for it.
Maybe, MAYBE, Haachama and Coco had a conversation about their analytics together prior to this entire thing and that's what inspired both of them to talk about their analytics on screen around the same time period, but that's just a personal rrat of mine.

>>15362918
Well it's not a secret that management got more strict/careful after the wholeTaiwan debacle.

>>15371871
>Maybe, MAYBE, Haachama and Coco had a conversation about their analytics together prior to this entire thing and that's what inspired both of them to talk about their analytics on screen around the same time period
Haato mentioned it because she was having a content brainstorming session in her Minecraft stream, and a random viewer just asked what her analytics were like. Coco brought them up because a viewer asked "why do Japanese people simp so much" during no-simp September, so she brought it up to explain that viewers all around the world superchat, not just the nips. It was just a coincidence.

>>15371827
>>15371851
>literally defending coco and shitting on cover
>chink
You people are retarded

>>15372108
> Coco asked us "pesonally" for supporting her's kouhais and Hololive after she graduated.
> She said it in " 2 hours of silence" mem stream.

I smell chink from (You)

>>15372108
>dumbass blame coco on all of his post
>I am defending her
Yeah sure.

>>15363536
t. Chiao Ming Yao

>>15362918
You know, since she didn’t leave on bad terms is there really anything stopping her from coming back beyond her own desire?

>>15372255
>>15372228
These two are actually chinese/seanigs holy damn, not only is their grammar trash but they thought I was attacking coco

>>15372518
>is there really anything stopping her from coming back beyond her own desire?
No, but if she does come back she will want to give it her all which would basically mean graduating souchou, so that isn't gonna happen. She'll do a cameo at most.

>>15362918
I'm glad Coco is gone. For fucks sake, she herself said that she choose the name "Kson" because her role model is that "afroamerican" piece of shit from america called Kason. The japanese hate black culture, that's why they always had trouble with her.

>>15372610
She could do some legends contract style shit and just come back for specific collabs or something, even be a kayfabe manager of something

>>15364124
Amerilards would have done the same to her if she spoke ill of jews or afroamericans, fuck off with your double standards.

>>15372672
>Mori
Anon...

>>15372672
>that's why they always had trouble with her.
>implying japanese salarymen didnt have a percentage cut for coco every month

>>15372753
>showing a flag on screen is speaking ill of China
This is why people hate you more than Americans you literal retard

>>15371414
I still cannot explain why Japan is cucking this hard.
Do they really need that chink money so bad? Is it fear?
Remember when China was a big irrelevant retard country?

>>15372753
She not only didnt speak ill of anyone, but they wouldnt have gone that far, they are less brainwashed and far less aggressive over meaningless shit

>>15372805
>using the word n*gger is hate speech
And this is just one of a big long list of words one can't say, otherwise amerilards kvetch on you

>>15372821
They shut down cn, they were much less of cucks than they could have been

>>15372821
>Japan
Everyone kneels for the bug money. No exceptions.

>>15372821
Japs suits have a hard time seeing the big picture they couldn’t think of how good hololive is doing right now without CNshit

>>15372828
>they are less brainwashed and far less aggressive over meaningless shit
You cannot even call people by their own pronouns anymore, otherwise amerilards will cancel you from all accounts

>>15372753
Maybe because she is America? Is she Chinese? Why the fuck do you expect her to know about your taboo?

>>15372861
>he doesn’t know
Americans(yes even niggers) loved it when hololive members was saying nigga on screen, Miko became popular on sites like Facebook because of it. You cannot compare them to your chink brethren because they know to actually have fun

>>15372861
>miko

>>15372912
Cancel, ie, people getting mad at you on twitter and at worst getting you fired if you work for a cuck company. Still braindead, but far less aggressive for things that warrant slightly more aggression than saying the name of a country

>>15372912
Gura already had an attempted cancel, you know what it did? It made her more popular

Why couldn't we just take this stream and enjoy the emotions it brought with it? Why did we have to sully this day with uslesss bickering and uncalled for hate for no reason whatsoever, why is /vt/ like this?
Being a hugbox is shitty but being like this is even shittier.
No one has done anything wrong yet you retards keep trying to find the fault in their actions because you think you're better and smarter when you're nothing more than a bunch of fucking losers who spend all day scratching your smelly hairy balls while acting like you have an all-seeing third eye.
Its just sad really

>>15373079
Attempted cancel is just cancel against people who wont buckle for twitter trannies and who dont work for soily
companies

>>15362918
It might me just management start becoming more restrictive toward talents content after problems which is not strange at all considering what happened
Before the incident, they are very lax and pretty much let talents do whatever they want

I miss coco...
>no more cover songs
>no more collabs
>no collabs with holoX or EN2
it hurts

>>15373131
>Why did we have to sully this day with uslesss bickering and uncalled for hate for no reason whatsoever,
>no reason whatsoever
>sully this day
>idol literally weaping on stream

>>15372821
Yagoo told bilibili scums to go fuck themselves and shut down CN when they were trying to keep HoloCN's avatars, while taking a pay cut as punishment. For that I'd forgive him for the kneeling statements.

>>15363636
We'll see how long that lasts and I strongly doubt this is true since Hololive is now on the merch and sponsorship bandwagon like Nijifags. Either way, she is becoming a 2view and is collabing with people like Nux to try and stay relevant.

>>15372753
this is true

>>15362918
Isnt China cracking down on vtubers shit would have happened no matter what she did

>>15372947
Amerilards expect everyone else in the world to know their taboos
>>15372960
There's a whole difference between saying "nigga" and the forbidden word "n*gger" don't play dumb

>>15373489
Yeah, try being a white guy going to the hood and saying nigga, go ahead and say its different to saying nigger while you're at it.

Its obvious you don't know shit about America chink

>>15362918
It's a little bit of column A little bit of column B.
As for how much each factor actually mattered? I'd say it was 70-30, 60-40 being generous.

>>15373489
>Amerilards expect everyone else in the world to know their taboos
Ever heard of miko?

>>15363536
>is she confirming [thing we've always known]?
>were chinks justified in being rabid faggot NPCs?

>>15364265
Fuck off retard

>>15366138
That totally justified a year of harassment. Please find the nearest escalator and use it.

>>15364226
Jesus christ how beta can you get

>>15372518
Ina+Omegay. EN management. And Nakiri "Ultranationalist" Ayame

>Coco graduated because of X
this time loop will never end....

>>15374618
Isn’t implied the upper en management got changed a bit, I don’t even think omega actually does anything and Ayame won’t even be around when she comes back she’ll be on “break”

>>15372753
No chink, in that case Americans would just unsub and make shitpost anti threads on /vt/. Not literally make it a full-time job of spamming chat, spamming collab partner chat, making new accounts just to spam more, paying $ to spam more, for a year straight.

>>15363414
Imagine thinking what he is saying isn’t valid

If any of you all even 日本語 at all and frequent 5ch,
you would know that this is not surprising at all.
even the japs came here talking about this sometimes.
what Narukami Sabaki said sounds like a rrat, but the JP side did their reps. you just need to read.
90+ IPs and still most of you don't know anything.

>>15371542
Iz dat sum malding?

>>15374973
Don't like Omega. I find any and all reasons to shit on him. Simple as

>>15364025
its fine to be a retarded newfag but dont pretend youre not one by having opinions on crap you werent around for

>>15367399
retard

>>15362918
this is even worse than kanata's leeching holy shit haachama. how low can someone be to play victim with a fucking corpse

>>15375096
instead of being cryptic, post it

>>15375096
ogey

Coco protec.
Respect the Cocock

>>15375321
>play victim
Nihao

>>15365623

Haato did not show her analytics page accidentally. "The analytic" is referring to the Taiwanese viewer count. I can't blame her for not expecting Chinese viewers to completely lose their shit because Google decided to show Taiwanese viewers as a separate metric from its Chinese viewers.

Anybody else annoyed that Coco and Haato took the blame for something that was ultimately Google's fault? Chinese viewers acted like those two deliberately went out of their way to separate Taiwan and China, but that page was generated by Google.

I want to live in an alternate universe in which the Chinese attacked YouTube instead. Maybe Google could've retaliated by finding a better way to block those asshats from accessing YouTube altogether.

>>15363636
Police officers around here used to retire at a higher pay rate than what they worked by manipulating the pension rules to calculate their vacation time into their final year of pay to determine the yearly payout for the rest of their lives.

>>15363154
https://files.catbox.moe/tbxrqm.mp4

>>15362918
The real takeaway for me is that Coco knew what she was doing when she showed the Taiwanese stats. So the Chinese antis were unironically correct about that, while people on 4chan thought it was an accident. She did it intentionally, knowing what might happen.

>>15365341
Its reasonable to believe that the taiwan incident was the pushing force for management clamping down harder, and that it wouldn't have happened otherwise. Whether the incident was inevitable and the tightening of restrictions was inevitable though is ultimately speculative. Perhaps the clampdown would have happened, but more slowly.

>>15363536
no, she's assuming that if she hadn't shown it first, that the bugs wouldn't have been as asshurt about Coco showing it, which is a huge leap. Its basically survivor guilt, no need to overthink it.

>>15375321
Chinese hands wrote this

>>15376004
Imagine she said that now with all eyes on the vtubing scene

>>15362918
>didn't cry for cn being sacrificed in the process

>>15376045
Is it hard to live your life when you're that retarded?

>>15375321
You reek, bug.

>>15375897
Wait until this guy finds out that Bilibili is available on Google Play Store.

>>15363693
She convinced Haachama to stay when she was thinking about quitting, clearly she doesn't think its a black company, and you just have harder feelings about it than her.

>>15376112
Haachama said so herself. If she didn't show the stats, Coco wouldn't have done so either, so she feels guilty for it. The Chinese always hated Coco (a loud-mouthed American, go figure), but she didn't give them any real material to work with until she did and they went nuclear. They didn't care when Haachama or others did the same stuff before, mind you, Haachama got away with some scolding by the management.
All of this could've been avoided if Coco knew what she was getting into when she taunted the Chinese.

>>15375897
Pretty sure China is not on that list at all. Google and YouTube are banned in China so they would never be on that list. And yes the fault is with YouTube/google but chinks aren’t sane.

>>15376093

But Anon, Artia was literally evil and instrumental in orchestrating the Chinese attack on Hololive JP.

She was one of my favorite Hololive members... but you have to let her go. :(

>>15376316
>If she didn't show the stats, Coco wouldn't have done so either
That's not what she said.

>>15376380
Read what the OP says. She knew that Coco showed the stats to cover for her by causing a bigger uproar. She tried to cover for Haachama and kicked the nest way too hard doing so.

>>15362918
I remember the headcanons that Coco did it to get the heat off from Haato and it did kinda work seeing they all came after the Dragon instead of Haato.

>>15376512
You literally don't understand the situation at all, but are still peddling a retarded narrative about it. Isn't that embarrassing? The correct series of events was posted in this thread and you are too stupid to have read it.

>>15376368
go back to your discord and reddit faggot

>>15364265
Nanjing didn't happen, but it should have.

>>15376645
Nice argument, I guess. I'm sure you know better than Haachama.

>>15376742
Yes, I understood what Haato actually meant, as my IQ is above 80.

>>15372805
Imagine if the flag was a thin blue line. Get it now?

>>15364361
To be fair, Tiananmen and Uyghur camps are also propaganda blown out of proportion. It’s just that people like to pick and choose which propaganda to believe in to best suit their own agenda.

>>15376274
Just because she wanted her to stay doesnt mean she thinks the company is managed well

>>15376658
Artia was a traitor chink judas whore, you need to go back

>>15372753
No, at most they would make twitter drama for a couple of weeks, just like with PDP.

>>15365137
And the fact that she uses it less than half the time.

>>15376658
Fuck off, you Artiafags still spam Hololive until now

>>15377591
What, they fucked up the ads for every single channel because of him. It wasn't relegated to twitter drama.

>>15377993
Thats only because he is literally the biggest youtuber, there was already build up from his jokes, and the man goes and drops a a fat nigger on stream. Watching that back I still dont know why he dropped it, you only drop gamerwords like that rarely, not when a guy takes cover in an shooter

>>15362918
>apologizing for something that isnt her fault
haachamachads....... the kino..... my legs kneel on their own

>>15362918
wouldn't restrictions also count as creative differences? it seems that the taiwan yab did make them restrict coco more

>>15362918
>haato the attention whore has an opinion, guys! stop the presses!
are you really retarded.

Hololive abuse coco into quitting and then spread a bunch of propaganda about how coco is actually the bad one and their shitty management was not responsible. It's completely odious behavior.

>>15379571
Bugs absolutely malding today

>>15379571
her opinion is a billion times more relevant than yours

>>15366138
kys, unironically

>>15379571
seethe bug

>>15379571
Neck yourself you pathetic monkey

most people here forget CCP military has a literal bot army made to harass anything on the internet that speaks ill of them
or that lots of NGOs with connections to the american democrat party (and some european politicians) also have bot armies for propaganda on the internet

you are in the middle of a information war and think its chinks, but its actually something more deep and more horrible than that
i blame investor boards

>>15372821
Kneeling to China is standard procedure for companies simply because their market is so huge.

What Cover didn't realize was how severely autistic bugmen truly were. Not only did they fail to appease them, their seethe only escalated more and more. Meanwhile, everyone else was shitting on them for kneeling to chinks.
This ultimately created a situation where the potential biggest market on the planet literally wasn't worth the trouble so they completely cut off all relations with China.

Which is fucking huge if you really think about it.

>>15380666
Demon check basado

>>15380770
Weird how they think
>lets stop people from talking shit about us
>no one will talk shit about us so they’ll all think we are great and strong
Is a intelligent way to go about how other countries perceive them

>>15380770
>a literal bot army made to harass anything on the internet that speaks ill of them
you're thinking of Hasbara

>>15364226
The fact that it's a wikipedia page is pathetic.

>>15377024
What did Haato actually mean then? How would her not showing the stats change what happened if what Coco did was completely unrelated?

>>15381356
Zhangs got mad because two Holos mentioned Taiwan in the same day, which they believe meant that Haato/Coco did it on purpose as a political statement, because they are retarded. If one of them didn't do it, the zhangs would have seen it as another accident and not given a shit. That's what she meant. If Haato wasn't streaming that night, Coco would have just gotten a Bilibili ban the next morning and everyone would have forgotten about it in a week.

>>15382693
This.

>>15362918
Why would Fubuki lie to use about quitting if Cover ever turned into a black company? If Coco did quit due to anti and management harassment, can we really trust her as our proverbial canary in the coal mine about the state of Cover?

>>15383434
You havent even read the thread

>>15383434
Retardchama

>coco joins hololive
>coco takes akai haato's ideas
>newsflash
>speaking english
>reddit meme review
>H: "damn her...what am i now...?"
>concocts long term plan to delete coco from hololive as revenge
>creates new identity in the form of haachama
>enough time passes
>H: "now is the time"
>streams taiwan knowing coco will reuse her content
>coco, predictably, uses her content
>coco gets the full burst anti hate
>H: "Just as planned. But is this really enough?"
>exterminates entire Hololive CN branch just for fun
>eats bugs and tarantulas so they know it was her
>takes month long vacation to celebrate
>coco graduates during this time
>takes back reddit meme review
>kills it too to destroy any last remnants of coco
Her power level is Ozymandias tier.