/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

Shion...

>>15252920
I would've never, in a million fucking years ever expect haachama to get the lowest of numbers, and the second lowest growth rate

Since NijiEN is pretty much immune to yab now, are they going to incline because the fandom is big and strong enough to weather any sort of storm?

>>15254118
the nijisisters pretty much thought it was bullshit in the qoute rt's and it doesn't help that the fag just left without showing more proof, and the """""proof"""" itself is just hearsay un contradictary.

so yeah, pretty much. Im also scared about this because it could get into dream levels of defending them.

>>15252882
aiieee...

>>15255037
Yab makes a vtuber group stronger so I can confidently say that NijiEN will become top group by the end of 2022.

>>15254118
going to need some yabs then

why would anyone want to stir up yabs for nijien, nobody cares about them so its not worth the effort

>>15254118
they're not really immune, this just happened to be a non-issue since there wasn't enough proof.
Anycolor scouts should have already learned from the Raito yab so I don't think there'll be any PL related yabs for the boys.
There might be upcoming yabs depending on how their interaction with the girls go. Every single interaction will have yab potential, so they'll need to do their best to traverse those waters.

>>15252920
she is becoming a regular woman and not a brat

>>15256723
That's what marriage does to a woman

>>15252920
>all incline except shion
>good job

I feel Nina is on incline after luxiem debut. Lots fujos got recommended her streams about the boys.

>>15258999
what youre feeling might be a stroke instead

Is this the thread the one where we hate on nijisanji and praise hololive all the time?

>>15254118
I had a dream some nights ago where Millie got into a car accident that left her in a comatose state and started a series of yabs for NijiEN such as announcing Millie will be retiring despite knowing her condition, cancellations of 3D concerts, Rosemi getting stalked, Pomu being forced to get a new job as vtubing became unsustainable for her and Reimu + Petra falling out with management over the fact they're dating their JP senpais which that led to the graduations of Enna, Reimu, Selen, Petra, Rosemi and Pomu.

Real previous thread, in case this one gets reused.

>>15252543
>>15252543
>>15252543

pmaru-sama should join Nijisanji so she can get signed to a record deal with any of the big labels. She'd do even better than now. Someone on hlgg suggested Hololive but I don't think Hollolive has enough pull to get someone on the level of SME on board.

>>15259479
Considering this has been nothing but Drama chat, i think we should just skip this and go to /#/ - Numbers 3.0

>>15258999
not really she is a little higer today is becasue se is in a collab with BOTH voxx and mysta

>voxx open monetiation today on an amsr video
>4k ccv
>1.5k usd
the fuck? inst this really low?

>>15262531
They spent it all on day 1 and 2 I guess.
He's doing another ASMR stream in an hour. He's gonna overlap Ike and Millie this time.

>>15262531
Could be due to demographics as well? If he's main audience is teens than short of them using their mom's CC to SC Vox than they wouldn't have the same spending power or Rushia or Lamy's Salarymen audience.

>>15262531
Niji EN "monetizations" are always fucking pathetic because they get streamlabs from the start, anyone who wants to shower them in money already has done

>>15263076
wasnt ethyria bigger anyway?

>>15262531
Damn. I was expecting Chloe numbers.

the vshojo queens are coming for your holo en whores
soon hololive en won't be the number 1 agency outside of japan holobronies
you better prepare your knees

>>15263129
Nina's was pretty decent, she got $2.7k, Millie and Enna both got only slightly more than Vox and Reimu..... well let's not talk about her in case she reads this and gets upset she got $557 lmfao
I suspect that while yes the Niji EN boys' audience skews young which does affect it, most of the viewers come from watching male streamers on Twitch rather than other vtubers on YT, and so are more used to donating with Streamlabs than using superchat. Exact Streamlab numbers are notoriously hard to pin down but I saw some pretty big donations for them on there

>>15263307
Any HoloEN streaming now?

>>15263307
i feel like everytime VS post a number is the same numebrs.
>>15263424
only ina but is a chatting stream with 7k

>>15263307
?

>>15252882
12/1 - 12/25 median
>Toya 35k
>Ayame, Pekora, FBK 33k
>Marine 25k

Toya winning the month!

>>15262531
13 yo girls can't use credit cards, little boys are more likely to steal shit for their oshi that's just the fact of life.

>>15263307
The management better realize that the competition isn't fucking around. The HoloEN branch can't keep coasting off the coattails of HoloJP forever

>>15263307
I saw Code Miko on there streaming to 1k people. For being "the future of streaming" she kind of shit the bed didn't she?

>>15263624
She has the personality of a potato.
The only redeeming feature she had was her tech and the constant collabs with bigger streamers.

So it look like Chloe is stating her Mario Kart training arc tomorrow in a viewer participation practice stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFeulkDGvao

>>15263307
I don't care about twitch honestly and no idea why Veibe's numbers are so high anyway there is nothing exceptional about this bitch.

>>15263593

>>15263754
Coomers love her voice and that she's a huge degenerate. She also does a lot of hot takes which is something twitch watchers love.

Fuck you guys

>>15263715
Money Orca is tired of self debuffing herself

>>15262531
He just opened monetization and did not emphasize much on this + many have already used streamlabs. We will never know exactly how much donated him <125$

Fauna doing 2 streams one after another.

>>15264035
The top 10 seems unmoved so he didint get any new notifications for high SC on his stream since he has them active fro streamlabs too.
His viewerbase is just too young, at least his SEA one.
The fujo market they appeal to has no money.

>>15263491
>>15263496
>>15263754
>>15263866
She's growing stronger!

>>15263516
Damn, that's a great median for Kenmochi. What's the watch hours? Huge I bet.

>>15264160
JP females are huge paypigs.

>>15264160
I've seen many donations of 5$ and 10$, rarely more than 50$. Most donate small amounts, but often

>>15259825
>that filename
Kill yourself

>>15264251
Shu has a shot

>>15264251
except here most donations were yellow at max

>>15264160
The Niji JP males get better supas than the girls so "fujos have no money" is obviously not true, yes there's a lot of SEA fans but there's also a big Jap and Taiwanese audience who are usually good donators

>>15264359
>>15264251
im not saying that fujos dont have money im saying VOX FUJOS are too young to have money.

After Lauren and Leos both got >$50k monetization streams they were fucking retarded to give Luxiem streamlabs from the start instead of the tried and tested method of blueballing (or whatever the female equivalent is lol) the fans for a couple of weeks then making it into a big event where everyone donates, Nijimales rely heavily on events for SC and they got denied one of the biggest

>>15264549
There will be other waves. Let's see what they do in the future

>>15264549
Both parties make more cash off streamlabs.

>>15264549
Can't blame them though. Remember, NijiEN barely has any merch or outside source of income (as a vtuber) so their main source is going to be SC's. Ethyria might've flopped CCV wise but they hussle a lot when it comes to SC. It's also the reason why I think the smarter of the bunch like Selen have kept distance from the guys since she knows that she could turn into a sidecharacter real fast if she gets involved with them

>>15264732
>get less donations
>b-but at least they don't have to pay youtube!

>>15264896
Nina seems to be going the route of hoping the fujos accept her as own of their own.

>>15264732
Yes Streamlabs takes less of a cut but it takes more clicks to go through with it leading to fewer impulse donations and it doesn't have the same bandwagon effect as SC, that more than makes up for Youtube's higher cut.

>>15264732

>>15265059
Seeing all those colors flay across chat is a sight that inspires others.
>>15264896
They have those $4.40 stands and some voicepacks. That's probably decent enough money to meet rent.

>>15265045
Then she's dumber than I thought. Better female Nijilivers have been overshadowed by the Manjisanji aura. Even Lulu's fucking presence gets diminished during malexfemale collabs.

>>15265241
>Seeing all those colors flay across chat is a sight that inspires others.
I'm sure some superchatters do it so the streamer gets higher in the superchat rankings, so they feel they are part of the success of the streamer.

You people are just sneeding since you can't measure streamlabs.

>>15264896
Has any of the nijigirls said anything about their income and how much they make? Most Holos tend to say that their fans are really generous and if they have money problems they don't mention it.

>>15265550
I agree we shouldn't count streamlab because there's no way to quantify it.

>>15265550
I'd love for streamlabs to replace superchat and Susan to not get a single shekel from a vtuber ever again but the reality is it would leave less money to my oshi and more in the pockets of retarded otaku who would just waste it on something else anyway

>>15265616
Sakura Miko buys cars with monthly checks. I don't think NijiEN has that sort of income stream but they're probably not too far off.

>>15265888
Ame is buying a house with no mortgage and she doesn't get SCs. Selen/Millie/Elira are probably richer than Ame.

>>15265550
People just don't go through the hassle of sending a donation through streamlabs

>>15265847
>I'd love for streamlabs to replace superchat and Susan to not get a single shekel from a vtuber ever again
This!

>>15265550
>You people are just sneeding since you can't measure streamlabs.
This too

>>15265847
>but the reality is it would leave less money to my oshi and more in the pockets of retarded otaku who would just waste it on something else anyway
This too.

Now, if Cover and Anycolor was smart they would have made their direct donation system already, a proper homepage for each streamer and an integration with the girls OBS in a way each donation gets somehow highlighted in the stream, streamlab style.

>>15266026
>Millie (...) probably richer than Ame.
You realize Ame is a stream from a major company for 12+ months now while Millie isn't, right?

>>15265888
Hololive, especially JP, is loaded with endorsements to the point that they have the freedom to pick and choose which ones they want. NijiEN definitely still makes a mint, but its not the "Fuck You" levels of money that Hololive gets.

>YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!
Namibia stream spreading laterally to cosplay thots.

>HOW CAN VTUBERS EVEN COMPETE!?

>>15266238
# is too powerful

>>15266026
Ame has more SC than all three of those NIji combined though.

>>15266026
Memberships, actual merch, and outside endorsements are a thing. I've been telling you dumbasses about this all the way back in /jp/, back when Niji had merch and Holostans had barely anything aside from the birthday and Anni stuff while coping with SCs. Unless your making Rushia, Coco, Lamy, and now Chloe levels of donations, SC's will always pale in comparison to actual merch, promos, and endorsements.

>>15263396
not sure if most come from twitch. I see a lot of niji jp avatars on their chat and twitter.

>>15266271
It's not this thread, it's the other way around. The same algo flip that suggested that to vtuber adjacent crowd (the good people in this thread) jumped to the vtuber adjacent adjacent crowd (most of those cosplay thots cosplayed one of the Holo girls this season)

>>15266407
Membership/subs are much more common for western spenders than SCs even if they are less visible. Having many months of memberships Ame would certainly not be hurting for money. Gura has fuck you money from them which is why she gives no shits about SCs.

>>15266407
For Niji merch, that its questionable whether they get a cut at all, but there is probably some contract involved. There was a stream where some faggot SC'd Kuzuha and said they bought his ring (merch), he thanked them and said the didn't get any money from it. He then proceeded to say he gets the most money from voice sales.

>>15266026
What are you talking about, Ame has more income than all of NijiEN combined.

>>15265888
Rosemi talks a lot about the internship she had and her new low paying job. She mentioned her old job just payed enough for her rent. This was a couple months ago. She considers vtubing just a hobby thing.

>>15264549
>>15264732
>>15265059
NijiEN gets money via streamlabs and SC, plus ofc custom voice packs (wave 1 and 2), voice packs and now merchandise. That's the money they get on. Nina has been training her fanbase to spend on streamlabs and it has been working for her.

>>15266486
is it possible that the waterhole stream will lead animal fags to vtuber

>>15266407
which was the "muh merch" counterargument always has been retarded. Now that holo has merch, you don't even hear about it since now holo can compete in that aspect. lol

>>15266689
>merchandise

https://youtu.be/rAfNiQzw7lU
Matsuri pls return to the box...

I am just interested if a vtuber who recline heavily can regain her former glory and numbers back.

>>15266665
>and her new low paying job. She mentioned her old job just payed enough for her rent
Imagine being given a golden ticket and squandering it because you're lazy and untalented.

NijiEN may not be HoloEN but it has the same potential for a girl to live off of it. I get why Ina or Sana wouldn't commit fully (they are already accomplished in their careers) but for a low level cog in the system?
>FOR FUCK SAKE; COMMIT 100% DUMB BROAD!

>>15266768
>is it possible that the waterhole stream will lead animal fags to vtuber
Nope, it is moving in the opposite direction: presenting that video to an audience that is already into vtubers or at least already exposed to it

>>15266665
Rosemi has over 60k SC, had almost all her custom voice packs bought, normal voicpacks, streamlabs donations, merch launched... she has more than enough to make a very large amount. She probably don't want to throw her career like pomu did but she's on a level where she can do it.
Even the lowest in NijiEN in making money still are making a lot.

>>15266815
Vox bros, not like this....

>>15266407
and ads. Ame is averaging 6m-8m monthly
https://note.com/shibuyahal/n/nd98a73f6a82c

>>15266822
they got merchandise last week retardachama

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>49,488: Suisei (Hololive)
>42,230: Miko (Hololive)
>40,549: Ayame (Hololive)
>39,815: Aqua (Hololive)
>39,184: Fubuki (Hololive)
>38,757: Toya (Nijisanji)
>37,997: hololive (Hololive)
>37,527: Rushia (Hololive)
>36,037: Subaru (Hololive)
>35,905: Flare (Hololive)
>34,278: Pekora (Hololive)
>34,051: Mio (Hololive)
>34,012: Chloe (Hololive)
>33,224: Laplus (Hololive)
>33,003: Nene (Hololive)
>32,303: Lui (Hololive)
>31,737: Noel (Hololive)
>31,424: Towa (Hololive)
>30,110: Kanata (Hololive)
>29,876: Watame (Hololive)
>29,582: Shion (Hololive)
>29,029: Aki (Hololive)
>27,539: Koyori (Hololive)
>27,341: Roboco (Hololive)
>27,287: Botan (Hololive)
>27,202: Polka (Hololive)
>26,440: Matsuri (Hololive)
>25,889: Mio (Hololive)
>25,289: Mel (Hololive)
>24,907: Haachama (Hololive)
>21,140: Honma (Nijisanji)
>20,003: Debiru (Nijisanji)
>18,953: Subaru (Hololive)
>18,453: Kronii (Hololive)
>17,376: Subaru (Hololive)
>16,566: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>15,442: Chloe (Hololive)
>14,628: Subaru (Hololive)
>13,041: Gatchaman (Indie)
>12,943: Ange (Nijisanji)
>12,819: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)
>12,403: Laplus (Hololive)
>12,100: IRyS (Hololive)
>11,979: Mito (Nijisanji)
>11,477: Hoshikawa (Nijisanji)
>11,373: Furen (Nijisanji)
>10,236: Amelia (Hololive)
>10,158: Shion (Hololive)
>10,090: Patra (774 Inc.)

HOLOSTAR CONCERT WILL TAKE THE GOLD AWAY FROM NIJIS MARIKA!!!!!!!

>>15266959
jokes aside, is there anything from holo that can take gold

>>15266959
good shitpost

virtual obachan is mogging all of nijien

>>15266828
Read between the lines anon, she's trying to get her gachis to give her more money.

>>15266942
general Toya saving nijis from top 30 clean sweep!! Kneel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>15266900
translation?

>>15266815
Absolute confirmation now that 80% of Vox's fanbase is in Asia, may as well just make their prime time his own slot

>>15266407
Speaking of Sakura Miko
On twitch, up to the twitch leak she had a total of 528,922 watched hours, most of them watch parties. That's 113.4 hours over 10 months. She made $120k in that time. Cover takes $60k of that most likely, leaving her with only $60k for 3 weeks of a full time job watching movies. 6k a month to watch 4 movies. Her watched hours and CCV would go straight up if she used twitch more often. The question I ask is why she doesn't use twtich more often. SCs? Ad money? Management? Merch and sponsorships make her so much it just isn't worth changing a damn thing about streaming?

Ugh nijisis?

>>15267126
Because she makes more off Youtube despite the 30%.
Twitch takes 90% of ad revenue from streamers and 50% of subs.

Views and Likes comparison between 2020 and 2021 Christmas Relays

Top 5 Winners
Fubuki
Miko
Roboco
Mel
Flare

Top 5 Losers
Shion
Aqua
Haachama
Watame*
Matsuri

Watame, Kanata and Koyori got fucked over by copyright so their numbers from this year's relay got nerfed.

>>15267064
TL here

>>15267180
>Twitch takes 90% of ad revenue from streamers and 50% of subs.
jesus christ, there's no way their cut is this high right?

>>15267180
$120k was her payout. You can't tell me she makes that much more money on Youtube.

>>15267072
I think a lot of /#/ pundits are in NA so they didn't consider the market for this in the East despite being so certain that there wasn't in the west. I think the assessment is proving to be correct despite them performing well above par.

>>15267064
She made 37k in the last 28 days off ad revenue

>>15266815
Update

>>15267180
it all depends on which contract the partnered streamer has not everyone falls under the 50% off subs contract, the same for ad revenue.

plus remember that donations go 100% to the streamer (taxes there still ofc), Bits are cut though and that doesnt change with whatever contract they have it stays the same for all.

>>15267275
If you actually get shmucks to watch ads on your videos especially if they are long you get bookoo bucks on youtube. Japanese people don't use adblock nearly as much so even inflated social blade estimates aren't far off the mark.

>>15267516
no more bots for Ike boi?

>>15267516
Uhhhhhh Manjisanji bros care to explain?

>>15267621
They should all stick to SEA hours.

>>15266395
Ame also has vastly more views than those three. A reminder that a streamer said that he made more than 20k a month with 2 to 3 millions views, Ame got more than 8 millions in the last 30 days alone.

>>15267516
seanigsisters...

>>15267516
All of these numbers are sad as fuck after seeing >>15266942. Please refrain from making this humble thread sad

>>15267621
Is not SEA hours pls andastand.

>>15267519
oh ye and subbed people also dont get ad's on Twitch, only non-subbed ppl get them unless they have adblock and majority on Twitch dont know how to adblock Twitch's new system they brought in this year. You cant just download ublock and expect it to work for instance

>>15267665
Nijisisters need a dose of reality as debut buff starts to wear off.

>>15267516
>NijiEN getting mogged by fucking fauna
Nijisisters????

not botting him today nijisisters?

>>15267698
>You cant just download ublock and expect it to work for instance
????
I literally just downloaded ublock and have never saw an ad on twitch. I was watching a stream last week.

>>15267807
MOOOOOOOT

>>15266900
>142000 watch hours for 426,281 yen
I am shocked that Fumi(?) has that many watch hours. 3 yen per watch hour. FBK has had a huge amount of views and stream time(we don't have watch time, only watch hours which the not the same) this month. There is a non-zero chance that FBK cleared $30k-$60k this month already just from virtual fishing. It's not unreasonable to think she might be a millionaire.

SO, /#/, are there any chances for male EN vtubers to get good CCV during burger hours?
Would people be interested in semi-professional or professional gamers playing something like CS:GO or Dota2?

>>15267796
If you add all the streams nijiEN is mogging Fauna.

>>15267621
Manjisanji is /here/ and they're all preparing to go to SEA hours fulltime to make money and fame. Leave it to the females to pick the western carcass.

>>15267807
fk you moot

>>15267933
Get a bro vtuber that's good at games and not this fujo trash.

>>15266878
>Even the lowest in NijiEN in making money still are making a lot.
I really don't think that Reimu is making a lot after you consider that Rikku gets at least half of what she makes.

>>15267807
Thank you moot for this picture.

>>15266617
Source?
It'd be a dick move from the company to not at least give a small percentage of compensation.

>>15266942
>K-King… ;-(

>>15267933
They need a funny twitch streamer kind of guy to do well doing burger hours. Most women the west find chuubas cringe so fujo-baiting doesn’t work

>>15268199
Maybe production of goods comes out of the chuuba's split. It'd make sense why voicepacks would be the best for the liver.

>>15267898
Fubuki cleared much more than 60k from ads alone. Don't underestimate how many people watch older archives. And Fubuki has more than 1000 videos

>>15267898
the real winner

>>15267516
I really want to shit on Fauna for being a failure, but it's hard to do that with Nijien being such a disgrace.

>>15268298
I'm talking about fishing specifically. No one will check out those archives unless they really really like half lucid babble about anime that aired 15 years ago.

>>15267898
It's unreasonable to think she might not be a millionaire

>>15266042
>Now, if Cover and Anycolor was smart they would have made their direct donation system already,
So, a Streamlabs alternative? You're just back to square one then.

>>15268445
There are people on this board who think they only get SCs after Cover takes 50% of them post Youtube tax.

>>15268392
As much as I hate this guy's clips if it's feeding his entire village in whatever thirdworld SEA monkey hellhole he's from I can't be mad

>>15268235
I guess all the english in Luxien's chats are from foreigners.

>>15267898
Nene said that Fubuki has sponsors lined up. If she isn't a millionaire it's entirely because she doesn't really want to.

>>15268500
If Google were smart they would have used the vtuber + twitch talent poaching boom to modernize youtube streaming but they are lazy pajeets focused on creepy data manipulation instead.

>>15267898
Remember that JPs rarely use adblock hence the high dollarinos per hours viewed

>>15268587
It's the head of the gaming division that is making this huge push for their live streaming platform.
The rest of youtube probably doesn't give a shit but he's showing results so they're entertaining him.

>>15268199
Maybe he was paid upfront for the right to make and sell the rings.

>>15268543
It is, have you seen all the comments in broken English saying that he makes their yellow pussies soaking wet but they can't understand him?

>>15268575
Maybe she is a millionaire but not in liquid assets. At that level she'd be retarded not to have a diverse portfolio. I really wonder what the investment portfolios of hololivers are, Rushia's must be impressive since we can see her public earnings knowing full well that it's just the tip of the iceberg.

>>15268521
Sushi is a japanese esl

>>15266990
Probably not, I don't think even a Pekora + guests 3D live can beat the main POV for MK finals.
Neither company can really shit out a 120k+ stream on short notice.

>>15268782
>I really wonder what the investment portfolios of hololivers are,

Let's be honest here, do most holos strike you as the kind of person that invest their money? I bet most of them just put their money in their saving account, a few probably just spend everything in gacha and other stupid things.

>>15268782
I'm tellin yah man, Hololive is a literal golden ticket. I wish Chima fucking pulled a Luna cause I really think she has some untapped potential.

>>15268230
>King Engine
KEK

>>15267898
If fumi has this much money I imagine the others who have more CCV in nijisanji jp make way more. If they stream as much or more than her ofc.

>>15268068
they get 30% for SC and streamlabs anon, then 50/50 on what they produce like Voice Packs.
Reimu has a oil baron that has given at least 70% of her donations as well.

>>15268877
> Neither company can really shit out a 120k+ stream on short notice.
Hololive did that last month.

>>15269293
They take 50% of VP too?
Damn Nijisanji really wants their money.
I don't think they ever gave Wave 3 their special voice pack and NijiEN the yell option either.

>>15268921
Ririmu of Nijisanji fame said she pumps $20k a month in gacha. I'd like to think hololive members aren't gacha fiends.
>do most holos strike you as the kind of person that invest their money?
Polka, Botan, Flare, Fubuki, Koyori, Ame etc seem like they would. I mean Goomba probably has 7 figures in a no interest bank account but I think it is silly to think most Holos aren't moving their money to diversify their assets so when the bottom of a market falls through they are protected. They're not braindead athletes who get money stolen by agents, fall into pnonzi schemes, buy useless real estate, buy 10+ cars, and buy mansions whose taxes they won't afford in a few years.

>>15269385
Yeah, just debut HoloXXX tonight to steal the day from Nijis

>>15269385
>Yo, here's gen 6. Stream starts in 9 hours.
>167k plus trending worldwide
Either genius or horseshoe incompetence.

>>15269406
>I'd like to think hololive members aren't gacha fiends.
I mean this in a nice way, but please watch streams LMAO

>>15269463
Unlike Nijisanji, Hololive isn't that petty.

>>15268235
>They need a funny twitch streamer kind of guy to do well doing burger hours
You may have failed to understand why vtubers exist in the first place.

For women it’s simple: it’s the great equalizer, in the “in the internet nobody knows you’re a dog” sense.
There is a reason most female streamers, no matter how talented, can’t compete with whatever (let’s say) Amouranth gives for free in her “sample for free, get the real thing on onlyfans” offer
>they can’t compete on looks with Amouranth

Now Pekora (for instance), Haachama, Ame, Kronii and the rest of the girls can at very least compete in the streaming market, regardless of looks, as long as they’re entertaining.
Whatever public that “falls into the rabbit hole” won’t for the most part care about how the “puppeteer” looks like, just about the voice, personality and the puppet model.

Now, things are **not** the same for guys. There is ZERO barrier of entry for a “funny twitch streamer kind of guy” based on his looks.
Any guy that qualifies for “funny twitch streamer” type of role has ZERO benefit from going with an avatar because it’s not only that his looks won’t matter: based on how the top streamers look it seems to be a GOOD THING to look like a total retard, it seems to make them more relatable.

The reason Japan has successful male vtubers is the fact that, regardless of looks, there is a social stigma about being a “professional” in the entertainment industry so using an avatar is a way to do that without compromising your future.
There is no such thing in the west.

>>15267191
We can see that most of them still have increasing ccv to the end of 20 min, this might be reflected in the VOD view
It's probably noteworthy if we can include times lot for each year, it seem to have quite a lot of impact to ccv
Those which got better time slot show very high growth in ccv from last year
Best example would be, mio 1st to mio 2nd, flare and miko
Last year miko is on the second slot so she does not have that high ccv, but this year she got finale position albeit it's a bit 1hour late to the night but it does seem to have effect much, judging from that it's a holiday and flare also manage to get very high number

>>15269406
>I'd like to think hololive members aren't gacha fiends.
Exhibit A on the “knowing how a person onboarded this community after HoloEN”

>>15269406
It’s almost impossible to have seven figures in a bank account. The bank will start hounding you about wealth management and personal banking long before they level. It’s an incredible waste for both them and the customer

>>15269406
I wouldn't be surprised if gacha were 50% of FBK life expenses

>>15266689
she or even anyone (indies/holo) with superchat available better stop accept streamlabs donation or at least stop suggesting or Susan might pull something or two on the channel when she realize someone makes money not via superchat,

>>15269386
I'm talking based on what Tomoe saying and assuming it's the same contract as it is in JP. No actual info on how it goes for overseas branches. But in jp with info we got in 2021

> I think we assumed splitting superchat would be similar to Youtube after they take their 30% cut, but Shirayuki Tomoe confirmed it because she felt that if she were a fan, she'd want to know where the money is going. Basically, after Youtube and ANYCOLOR take their cuts and taxes, she brings home 30%. Also confirmed the 50/50 split for voice packs, but merchandise seem to be different and depends on other things.
https://youtu.be/q-H5HkM3raA?t=8078

so basically sc is 35%, 35% and 30% for yt. with taxes, the vtubers end with 30%.

>>15269827
I have to assume YouTube superchat revenue has a huge effect on the algorithm it would be dumb for it not to. But who knows with yt it’s apparently a black box even to the pajeets who try to maintain it

>>15269406
if ririmu has this much money and isn't in some kind of debt, then damn, they get more money than i thought in jp. Maybe Kuzuha, Kanae, Mito and others in there have a lot of money.

>>15269406
Kek Holofag tribalists don't even watch their own oshis streams.

>>15266238
LA CREATIVIDAD

>>15269935
The larping faggot can't even name vtubers despite the clips he watches coming with labels. Ririmu doesn't whale on gacha. Naraka does.

>>15269817
Ina has solid but not spectacular numbers, gets a little superchat income, lots of members and apparently a strong merch game. While also having a well paid roommate job. Aside form her art tools which are top of the line she literally lives with her parents and sleeps on the floor in a depression in the plates, cans, and random crap in her room. Aside from gacha these girls have lifestyles that are low maintenance, to put it mildly. If you don’t leave the house it’s actually hard to spend six figures, never mind seven.

>>15269858
>50% on voicepacks
i tought it would be the same as merch

>>15270026
How do you even manage to spend that much in a month on one game.

>>15269601
Wasn’t last year 30min? Given that (at least initial) VOD views is proportional to stream time isn’t the comparison lacking in that department?

>>15269533
>Now, things are **not** the same for guys. There is ZERO barrier of entry for a “funny twitch streamer kind of guy” based on his looks.
I agree with you for the most part, but one advantage of using a vtubing avatar is if you have a sex voice but your appearance does not match it.
Just take Vox for example. If his roommate is looks butt ugly, he would be much less successful at selling the image of him being a sex god.
Also, most "funny twitch guys" are brodude streamers that appeal to other men, whereas vtubers can aim for either men or women.
The crowd that watches xqc is not the same as the thirsty twitter crowd that gets Genshin trending every time a new male character comes out. To them, unless you're a kpop plastic idol, it's impossible to live up to their beauty standard without being an anime character.
Now whether or not these women donate or watch streams is a different discussion.

>>15270103
She went on to talk about how itabags for her Enstars oshis cost from 1k USD to 4,300 USD. Itabagging is popular enough for girls in Japan that tourist places where you can print 'vintage polaroids' force you to buy only one a day because girls want to buy about 50 of them to deck out their bags.

>>15270129
>one advantage of using a vtubing avatar is if you have a sex voice but your appearance does not match it.
I agree with this but the theme was
>nijiEN needs a funny twitch type guy
My point being that anyone qualifying for that would have zero problem going facecam, with one additional benefit
>successful streamers in the US are fucking multimillion dollars in revenue LA mansion living Hollywood movie appearing rockstars

2021 holoen total views so far
>Mori 167,423,887
>Gura 132,721,640
>Kiara 67,753,043
>Ame 62,645,850
>Ina 50,864,402
>IRyS 26,993,838
>Bae 18,167,050
>Kronii 17,510,155
>Fauna 16,984,645
>Mumei 14,798,968
>Sana 8,143,568

>>15269533
>ZERO benefit
If you're a weeb and want to do weeb stuff like covers, sell anime merch, and pander to the vtubing audience instead of a more normalfag audience.

>>15270320
Meaning
>if you are dumb as fuck and hate money

>>15270316
Was initially surprised that Kiara’s had more views than Ame but music really helps with views it seems

Fauna got Susan’d?

>>15270243
I can see a funny twitch guy going into vtubing/avoiding twitch just to get away from the culture of it, because it seems impossible to escape from controversy/toxicity/drama on the platform.
The yabs/drama that Holos and Nijis get into on youtube are literally nothing compared to what the biggest twitch streamers go through.
You can still make plenty of money as a vtuber anyways so its not really a drawback.

>>15270501
She fucked up her audio stuff switching to karaoke settings.

>>15270487
Kiara streams are longer too. VOD views seems to correlate with stream length

>>15270107
there is also that so we can't make direct comparison, but at least we got some thing to compare since some fanbase take longer time to join stream
however this also show that all holo growth a lot this years
I also would like to point out that time slot have major impact to ccv, in the last thread there is comparison between
subaru and miko growth, but subaru got pretty much the same slot as last year but miko got arguably best time slot this year and the number really did show that

>>15270501
Her setup crashed so had to cancel

>>15270501
Her setup broke and she couldn't do her karaoke stream.
Kinda left her mindbroken so she just called it a day instead of transitioning into a different kind of stream.

>>15270384
Sure, but you're acting like money is the only benefit to streaming. Either way the men are outselling all of the women right now in their physical merch so they must be doing something right.
https://nijisanji-store.com/collections/first-step-goods/?sort_by=best-selling

>>15270551
there is a dimisihg retunr point tough it stops gaining that many views after a speicifc point.

>>15267230
For those who haven't negotiated a special contract with Twitch? That's correct.
>>15267275
Oh you have NO idea how much these girls make on YT. There also isn't the same 'stigma' against 'membership only content' on YT that there is on Twitch for 'subs only' content. They also get to keep all their VODs and things without having to go around reuploading things after they're streamed.
Furthermore, ads payout on YT is much, much better for your everyday streamer for the same views.

>>15270529
The western vtuber scene isn't much better unless you're only hanging out with corpos.

>>15270529
Vtubers have a layer of separation between the talent and the audience such that it’s perfectly fine for Gura, 9000 year old shark girl, to just say nothing about politics, Trump, BLM, or whatever flavor of the month bullshit is popular. Facestreamers are at least pretending to be themselves, and find it much harder to avoid those dramas. Silence if is violence you know.

>>15270384
On the JP side, male vtubers have proven to be huge money makers.
On the EN side, HoloEN has proven weebs can be huge money makers.

>>15263307
They should be worried abouy getting mogged by HoloKR first

>>15270089
i dont think we have the divisons for merch. according to tomoe it depends on the merch and she never gave us numbers.

>>15270635
I should've clarified, but yeah I'm not talking about Vshojo, who mingle so much with 3D twitch streamers that they don't get the same "protection"

>>15270593
>Sure, but you're acting like money is the only benefit to streaming.
Anon, I'll leave you with the wise words (although said ironically) of Lana del Rey
>Money is the reason we exist
>Everybody knows it, it's a fact
>Kiss, kiss
That's an undeniable truth

>Either way the men are outselling all of the women right now in their physical merch so they must be doing something right.
That says more about the weakness of the girls on NijiEN (and Nijisanji in general) than about the strength of the boys.

With that said I have ZERO doubt there is a market for male streamers, it is only that good streamers won't got for the niche that vtubing is, but for the big bucks on the regular streaming.

>>15270243
a funny twitch type of guy is already in there, he's called mysta

>>15270593
>>15270771
difference between male and female fans is that a male fan buys one or a few things for different girls. I saw yesterday on luca stream, many girls buying 15 or 10 acrylics for him and Luca isn't even that high

>>15270771
>That's an undeniable truth
We literally have dozens of Holos/Nijis/other corpos who don't give a shit about farming SCs because they're comfortable with their level of income.
If making money is all you care about, you should suck it up and be a software dev instead of streaming because the chances of you breaking out and actually making money off of streaming is 1 in a million.

>>15270771
Okay sister, thanks for the lyricsposting, and thanks for going from "zero benefit" to "zero doubt there is a market". If they wanted to make tons of bucks they'd find an actual fucking job.
>>15270793
Luca came from Twitch GTA roleplay with xqc too.

>morning SC for voxx was 1.5k
>right now is $750
i wonder what management is thinking now that they discovered the appealed to children witout money rather than old fujos

>>15270868
To be fair 10 stands are about $44 so it isn't insane. It is amusing how well the males are doing and how much more peaceful it is since Selen is literally in 5th place now.
>>15270954
>chances of you breaking out and actually making money off of streaming is 1 in a million.
2view seethe is a real thing. I think a lot of flack to HoloEN comes from the fact that lots of streamers know how much they're raking in.

>>15271078
There was also seethe from some established streamers cause Hololive is a walled garden (they can't leech).

>>15271078

>>15271170
Every screenshot I have ever seen of Luca is him looking disgusted. Also $100 isn't that bad.
>>15271018
Views are views when it comes to adds. Youtube loves ads pointed towards children. Vox ain't gonna starve unless.

>>15267383
Trying to appeal to a foreign market for long-term channel health is never a recipe for success, though. I can't think of a single chuuba whose viewership is so thoroughly foreign and has been able to grow their channel at all beyond that initial audience.

>>15271316
>Views are views when it comes to adds. Youtube loves ads pointed towards children. Vox ain't gonna starve unless.
Depends entirely on the adds they get as it is a dynamic system and they get pay differently depending on the add. Also their views arent that great rigt now.

>>15269533
Well i would say some guys just don't want to show their face and there are many reasons to be more anonymous no matter where you live but it's true that especially now after a few years of promotion Vtubing have a wilder appeal on the Japanese market and they've got a lot of creators moving from NND to youtube as chuubas that's a pretty unique situation where they don't have much competition as streamers on this platform and can consistently top yt charts.

>>15270026
>Naraka
>1,395 CCV
>$86k in 3 years in SCs
>280k subs
>100k average VOD views
>13 promotions
Where does $27k come from? That's like her lifetime SC earnings after all the cuts. I hope that isn't something that happens often.

>>15268235
You're describing SunKenji. He's the only one doing that. Is he compatible for NijiEN and their style of management? That I have no idea

>>15271426
it can also be detrimental i think mitskif one of tiwtch streamers mentioned tat he got viral with his Animal crossing videos got a shit load of japanese viewers but since he doesnt speack japanese they just left and thanked his view metrics. focing him to make another channel.
That this didnt happen to hololive it is a miracle.

>>15271316
>Views are views when it comes to adds. Youtube loves ads pointed towards children. Vox ain't gonna starve unless.
CPM, anon. What is it?

>>15271522
probably credit card

>>15270316
Interesting that Bae is leading Council when her CCV isn't that high. I'd have thought Kronii or Mumei would be way ahead of the pack here

>>15271625
NTA, but lmao that's when you go too far and get fucked by youtube.
He's not wrong that many of the biggest youtubers like Dream, MrBeast, Markliplier, PDP appeal heavily to children. Hell, even Gura and Pekora.
The difference is they also have an audience that can pay, which we aren't sure if Vox has yet.

I think most vtuber fans grossly understimate how much the average holomen makes

>>15271522
>I hope that isn't something that happens often
It does, for a long time now. She's also moved to a new place. Maybe you're finally realizing that Youtube earnings isn't the only thing Nijisanji vtubers rely on for their livelihoods.

>>15271675
Bae streams the most in council by far.
Council's stream counts are kinda of a meme.

>>15271733
Because of dozens of controversies, the adpocalypse, and rise of twitch I think people in general just forgot how much money youtube makes you not even including streaming.

>>15269515
>>15269704
Unironically, Ame, Mori and probably Fauna aren't Gacha addicts.
Ame definetely not after that kino shill stream of pricunny.
Fauna and Mori haven't talked about Gacha as their main interest.
The rest of EN yeah, Gacha is their way of life.

>>15271733
It's because Coco and Rushia told their fans they aren't millionaires, when just looking at what basic numbers we have available, doesn't seem possible.

>>15271604
>That this didnt happen to hololive it is a miracle.
Hololive has something that no one else (in the streaming world) can seem to catch onto: an enthusiast audience that is used to watching content in a language that's not their own. Because there are so many weebs all over the world with a natural predisposition to watch Japanese anime and manga with subtitles localized in a manner that keeps a lot of quirks of Japanese language/culture (to the point that there is such debates as to whether or not the content should or shouldn't be fully localized), it was much easier for weebs to simply just look at chat for live translators (or clippers that actually add subs) and just enjoy the content as is until they got a proper group of people that could cater to their market in their language.

Can that be said about any other market? No. Even English language entertainment doesn't really enjoy the benefits of an enthusiast crowd since most of the content is localized anyway.

>>15271959
Rushia probably is a little bit leveraged and her assets aren't easy to flip into cash. I still say she must have a good portfolio, she's at the age where people really learn to manage money better.

>>15271675
She truly is their leader

>>15271994
>Can that be said about any other market?
Korean content like kpop and kdramas. Otherwise, I agree.

>>15271994
I think singing and dancing are a wordless language. The JP streams that get hlgg the most excited for are live. The Japanese seem to like that 8bit drummer guy. Also the weeb audience is probably more receptive to idol like things since Love Live and Idolmaster has been around forever. Also people like to follow things like it is a dynamic CGDCT.

>>15271316
>Views are views when it comes to adds
no theyre not. SEA viewers' ads pay way less than jp or burger viewers ads, for example.

>>15271941
Kiara, Ina, and Kronii are all gacha addicts to various degrees, with Ina and Kronii being the worst no doubt. IRyS too.
Gura? Doesn't seem like a gacha addict, but she's definitely able to sell the feel when pulling. Mumei? A bit but not a gacha fiend. Sana...I haven't watched enough Sana to say. Bae, at the very least, has dabbled in it and sells it well in her sponsorship streams.
As for JP, oh dear oh dear. Gacha-addicts everywhere.
>>15271994
And this is why vtubers outside of niches for specific languages are going to be a rough sell for EU. Many are used to viewing entertainment in their own language, even if many of them understand english. Yes, there are some weebs that will seek out vtubing stuff, but yea...

Wow reine marine mori bals collab
the number is obvious but who's better MK player here?

>>15271959
>w-we're not millionaires! pls keep donating...
>we're just like you haha

>>15272408
Marine>Reine>Baelz>Mori
Marine came 3rd for the last MK new years cup I think? 3rd or 4th, but she was up there and surprised many.

>>15272452
didnt baelz practiced at 200c ?

In case you're curious about Noel's NND xmas stream (Yesterday's stream).

>>15271735
>Maybe you're finally realizing that Youtube earnings isn't the only thing Nijisanji vtubers rely on for their livelihoods.
Maybe it's that their youtube earning are higher than we think and SCs aren't the best measure of financial health.

>>15271959
take into account that both youtube and Cover take sizable cut of whatever they earn and even out of the money they have they would often use it for projects like original songs or covers that costs loads of money I bet twitch Vtubers sit on more cash for this reason alone since most of them don't really try to do anything more than streaming games and reacting to clips.

>>15272408
Marine >>> Reine > Baelz >>Calliope

>>15272421
Heh. I can believe they're not cash millionares, and that maybe, MAYBE Rushia was not when the question was posed after cuts and whatnot (when WAS the question asked?), but their total assets (Coco for sure would have been wise enough to diversify her investments) should have exceeded 1mil np.

>>15269406
>They're not braindead athletes

Can holo mario kart beat niji mario kart tourney?

>>15272380
>Sana...I haven't watched enough Sana to say
Sana is Ina-tier, they used to fangirl together on their roommate accounts and both have designed units for Arknights.

>I think singing and dancing are a wordless language.
It's a bit of both that and the clips building a pre-conceived image of the chuuba.
Matsuri is one of the best singer + dancer combos in Hololive, but she doesn't generate nearly as much hype as Korone and Subaru.
Gap moe adds a lot to the excitement.
Speaking personally, I haven't watched a CGDCT show since I started watching Hololive.

>>15269406
>Ame
She is smarter than most, but still bought her aunt a car, donated a crapload to animal charity and is apparently paying for a house right now, I doubt that she has much investment if any.

>>15272493
why do they still stream on NND? did Cover sign a contract?

>>15272615
Roommate members only stream.

>>15272493
>NND numbers
Sadly it's a mystery sauce number that has no value

>>15272615
why would you put all eggs in the same basket anon? NND is said to be more lenient to lewd stuff that ASMR often is so...

>>15272615
Audio compression.

>>15272591
I figured as much, but I didn't want to assume for Sana, so thanks for the clarification.
>>15272576
No peaks to beat them, and I don't think so from total CCV either. This year's hours are probably not as good for numbers due to trying to shove everything into one day for Hololive, but who knows for the peaks. Depends heavily on who makes it to the finals.

>>15272576
Adding up all the streams? Maybe.
Highest peak on 1 stream? No chance in hell.

>>15272307
I will admit that Korean content is having a surge now that's similar to how Japan got it for anime and manga. But I agree and stand corrected.

>>15272334
Well, yes, song and dance can be enjoyed without knowledge of a language as long as it is done well, but that doesn't preclude the fact that in order for said content to exist, you need some kind of hook to keep large swathes of people entertained outside of said song and dance. Utaites have been a thing for the longest time, but they never really caught on the way that VTubers did because they lacked the missing piece of the puzzle that would help propel their fame (especially Hololive's). Never underestimate the power of a story/narrative.

>>15272503
Which V-tuber do you bet is actually a real estate tycoon behind the scenes? I’m thinking Lamy.

>>15271018
Their the first major copro to enter the EN males market. It's all data and experimenting.

>>15270316
Can you do it but with only streams?

>>15272768
Lamy is literally a Yakuza princess put into Hololive at gunpoint to keep her out of trouble.

>>15272768
Noel has 2 or 3 apartments in Tokyo iirc

>>15270547
It has been 4 or 5 months and she still manages to fuck at least one stream a week, it's impressive in a way.

>>15263307
they were guests in Mizkif's Parasocial show, which also had sodapoppin, peaked at 70k+. I guess this is result

>>15262531
People are wary of him now since he was outed as a sexual predator.

>>15272576
>niji mario kart finals
>sunday 26th weekend
>5pm to 9~10pm JST
>holo mario kart
>friday 7th weekday
>1pm to 5~6pm JST
nah, shit date and time.

>>15272921
Nah, just a christmas stream when no other vshojos were streaming. Mouse right now is at her usual numbers.
>>15272927
Remains to be seen, but several anons have already stated "DEBUT BUFF" and timezone issues are real, so I'd wait until we get more stream data to be sure if it had any real effect long-term.

Today's superchats, merikuri edition

>>15273214
Anyone has the total for this month so far?

>>15273302

Koyori hit 10k with her endurance stream, seems like the pain buff is still there for Jump King

>>15273214
And once again the depth is insane, here's everyone else over 2k
>>15273302
I'll post it just give me a minute to add today's totals for everyone

top 10 niji 1m under 30 days
1) Vampire - Kuzuha (11 hours 43 minutes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trlVHJTeQxk
2) KING - Kuzuha (4 Days) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPAcjv__fbc
3) Summertime Record - AXF (4 Days) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccz4yLqlzPA
4) Godish – Lauren Iroas (5 Days) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r66UzB0WuGo
5) Lower – Fuwa Minato x Mafumafu (5 Days) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CahZm-xGbSg
6) Phony – Inui Toko (5 Days) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_vV3bE3GNo
7) Memeshikute - Nijisanji (6 Days) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDb7PGB5kc4
8) Monster - Fuwa Minato x Saegusa Akina (6 Days) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNswz1kQUFo
9) Turing Love - Aiba Uiha x Mayuzumi Kai (6 Days) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utXWdobfbwQ
10) Vampire - Ange Katrina (7 Days) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHXB1xp-xXc

top 10 holo 1m under 30 days (outdated)
1) REFLECT (Gawr Gura) - 10 hours (29m)
2) KING (Gura and Mori) - 11 hours (36m)
3) UNISON (Houshou Marine) - 39 hours
4) Off With Their Heads (Mori Calliope) - 45 hours
5) Roki (Mori Calliope) - 2 Days (0h 26m)
6) Goodbye Sengen (Nakiri Ayame) - 2 Days (14h 51m)
7) Kiseki Knot (4th Gen) - 2 Days (17h 0m)
8) Can You Do the Hololive? (All members) - 3 Days
9) Hololive Ochame Kinou (All members) - 3 Days
10) end of a life (Calliope Mori) - 3 days (9h 50m)

non holo/niji
Isegye idol - Re:wind - 3 days (17h 15m)

any update on the holo side?

>>15273565
How did Gura do it? She's not even top in CCV nor is she a song monster like Suisei or Mori.

>>15273530
Thank you very much anon.

>>15273601
She's Gura, that's enough

>>15273601
She is VOD queen, with more than a 100k higher average than Pekora. Too bad she is so lazy.

>>15271160
Based. The only flaw is Ollie and Kiara.

>>15273601
3m+ subs (that aren't dead, just many are subbed for different reasons).

>>15271160
Why is Hololive so closed off anyway? Don't they want more numbers?

>>15273685
rent free

>>15268392
Dude deserve it, he work smart and hard. Pumping short easily digestable clips on different interval and vary too. Plus his choice are good too, balancing between wholesome, informative, cute, and funny clips

>>15271160
>they can't leech).
Bullshit, just look at the faggot Nux, he leeches from Holo all the fucking time.

>>15273736
only walled off to 2views

>>15273685
I will take Ollie and Kiara over Sana, Anya and Iofi any day, those two may be obnoxious but at least they try.

>>15273791
But like a third of the holos were 2 views before they joined hololive.

>>15273765
I wonder how many streamers just watch holoclips.

>>15273736
As much as people say the most successful Holos can just graduate tomorrow and be just as successful, there's a lot of people who watch because of brand unity.
We can see this when non-Holo collabs usually do worse numbers and Kson's numbers have plummeted while her subcount is over 1 mil now (which means most of her old fans know who she is now). She's essentially doing similar content that she used to do as a Holo, just without any interaction with other Holos.
People would be way more hyped for a Gura x Pekora 1-on-1 collab than a Gura x Pokimane collab.

>>15273601
There was a lot of hype around it as it was the first song fans were expecting for a long time, Gura's biggest reach was among normies listening to her karaoke some reupped vods with millions of views. I don't think her second original song will be as fast unless she carefully hypes it up but she will probably just drop it one day instead.

>>15273975
now that you mention Gura x peko
is there any collab Peko x Aqua?

>>15273736
chinks

>>15266942
2022 is going to be the year of Micomet

>>15272760
>Never underestimate the power of a story/narrative.
That is why I think people are insane when they think a PekoMiko 3D live would struggle to get 75k.

Adding drama and life to a stage performance keeps interest. People need to enage with the content on an emotional level. Let's be honest, there are extremely talented dances and singers out there. They probably won't perform in front of 5k people live in their life and they're completely accessible with a google search.

>>15273736
Because becoming popular together with "your people" is better than submit to someone else

>FBK +100k subs in the past month
Holy fuck

>>15274042
Mori and Gura have been hyping up Q for a few weeks so maybe it can match Reflect/KING's speed. They're going with a full animated MV and everything.
I tend to lowball EN's song numbers because Irys didn't do so well, but Myth or Treat did extremely well for something that wasn't hyped up.

>>15273214
December superchats so far
>Chloe - $236,749
>Iroha - $166,066
>Laplus - $129,860
>Koyori - $110,691
>Rushia - $109,818
>Nene - $105,574
>Pekora - $99,275
>Lamy - $75,905
>Fubuki - $71,403
>Hayato - $70,883
>Flare - $66,553
>Ayame - $65,580
>Lui - $62,589
>Kanata - $62,140
>Mori - $60,526
>Shion - $58,507
>kson - $49,261
>Subaru - $42,953
>Fuwa - $41,794
>Kiara - $34,474
>Watame - $34,033
>Mishiro - $32,575
>Millie - $31,939

>>15273565
>https://www.reddit.com/r/HoloStatistics/comments/qm9wtq/musicwatch_myth_or_treat_amelia_watson_mori/
Missing Myth or Treat
>2 Days 20 Hours 45 Minutes

>>15274328
>>Iroha - $166,066
>>Laplus - $129,860
>>Koyori - $110,691
I know our eyes get wide at Chloe so we can't see well but these are really high numbers too.

>>15274415
Lui...

>>15274081
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJpAlfJAGN0
kek

>>15274319
12 days of Christmas cover is barely at 600k. HoloEn doesn't have any magic automatically.

>>15274500
is barely a song

>>15274500
630k in 5 days is very fast, especially on a dead channel with 380k subs.
It's still faster than Country Roads rn.

>>15273565

>>15274328
>enbros? Holoen also had outfit buff...

>>15271170
Cute cart
https://twitter.com/momosuzunene/status/1473926894626443278

>>15274655
Sorry, too busy splurging on omocat merch.

>>15274328
>Kanata - $62,140
>kson - $49,261
What? Kson below Kanata?

>Miko not even 16k on asamiko
reclining.....

>>15274716
>merch

>>15274716
Merch cope.

>>15274734
24 hours damn can they beat aquas record?

>>15274634
'WE HAVE SO MANY EN KUZUHA FANS'
turns out they were all fucking ESL sea Yume/Fujo...

>>15274716
Wait, that's a Nijicoep though...

8~10k premiere possible?
https://youtu.be/y2vrlxmOp7U

>>15274734
Does she even show other Holos' stuff?
I didn't tune in because it's all just her stuff last week.

>>15274720
For the first two weeks of the month she did only like three streams and even after returning hasn't been doing long superchat readings as much as she usually does.

>>15271735
it is youtube earnings, just not SCs
its been shown by western streamers 100 times and HAL even showed a jap example in this thread, youtube VOD ad views get you a shitload of money in 1st world countries
if you have a channel that can shit out a 1m view video once a week you can basically create your own production company (and some channels have) - it isnt any different if youre popping a few hundred K or even 100k view vods every day, except youre probably giving half of it to anykara or COVER

>>15274720
Kanata was always strong
Kson killed her own career by being clueless and not being able to say no

>>15274328
>this retarded flip is two grand away from being the second most SC'd ENtuber
based

>>15274769
>>15274778
https://twitter.com/_omocat/status/1466875575025291265
https://twitter.com/_omocat/status/1466899013806936067
How will they survive?

>>15275001
Omocat is kneeling to holochad

>>15274720
PPT still has her anniversary in a couple of days so she's going to crush her gf this month, I know kson didn't stream much the first part of the month but her earnings haven't been the same as they were before even when she streams

>>15275001
I shudder to think of the lost impulse sales due to their shit stock (sold out popular sizes immediately) and 4 month restock time

>>15275001
Topic was about SCs not earnings, dummy

Ahh I still remember when nijikeks would constantly gloat "Niji will always be number one in japan, its just EOPs the EOPs will leave". I can't imagine what the cope will be at the end of 2022.

>>15274876
she did talked about FBK and YAGOO and others
it's almost a guerrilla she put it up in less than an hour holostats didn't even pick it up

>>15274769
>>15274778
>>15274858
Thank you for the (you)s generous Anons.
I'm more convinced the real reason SCs have dropped for EN is the existence of the super-thanks and the competition from NijiEN though. Both of those put downward pressure on SC earnings in EN, where SC culture wasn't as strong to being with vs JP.

>>15274328
holoX total passed $700k holy shit

>>15275290
It's real simple
Mori and Kiara read sc, they get most sc.
Council hate money for some reason so none of them get sc.

>>15273975
>the most successful Holos can just graduate tomorrow and be just as successful
They only based this on sample size of one and from SC alone. The reality is we have sample size of three (that I know of), two of them haven't regained their vtuber success and even with that one we can see a visible decline.

>>15275078
>I know kson didn't stream much the first part of the month but her earnings haven't been the same as they were before even when she streams

Well I hope she crashes and burn, if only because that would make it slightly more likely that she will go back to Holo.

>>15275400
Kiara has went from reading SC after every stream, streaming 6 times a week to reading SC 1-2 times a stream while streaming anywhere from 4-5 times a week recently.

>>15266826
I mean, didn't we see that from FBK this month? I don't think we'll see something comprable any time soon.

Funny how nijikeks says that NijiEN earns a lot of SCs as compared to HoloEN. They haven't even broken through $20k for one stream yet while Myth already did for all of their members. Even more so when they say the males earnt a lot for streamlabs from fujos, did they just forget that some of their female ENmates earn like $1k+ per stream. That's hardly an achievement.

>>15275423
I doubt her pride would let her go back to Hololive after making a huge deal of going indie.

>>15275401
Oh shit, does Fubuki already have the record for highest watched hours in a month?

>>15275401
Pekora
>Q1 8,180,226
>Q2 8,727,183
>Q3 5,617,963 (excluding holo_data)
>Q4 5,530,290

>2021: 28,055,660

Kuzuha
>Q1 9,065,567
>Q2 6,949,857
>Q3 6,740,783 (excluding holo_data)
>Q4 4,834,604

>2021: 27,590,811

both of them barely streaming this month

>>15275509
The problem is Council like usual, you need all of them together to beat Mori. It's crazy how much they hate money.

>>15275587
The impression I get of council from what the girls said is they were on standby for quite some time so by the time they released the quality standards expected had already far surpassed them. Unfortunate but just reality, you can clearly see the gap between them an HoloX its like a ravine.

>>15275559
i wouldn't call 22 streams "barely streaming", that's almost one stream per day

>>15272307
Partly the reason why many think the next big Vtuber company is most likely going to come from Korea

>>15273601
her biggest enemy when it comes to numbers is herself.
if she was a numberfag she would without a doubt be to 10n consistently

>>15275541
Hence the slightly, that said if she only got like 5 ~ 10k a month I bet she would start seriously considering going back.

>>15275587
Feels like they don't want to get sucked into the hole like Kiara/Mori where they have to read superchats for 4+ hours at a time.

>>15275559
>Q3 5,617,963 (excluding holo_data)
Use holo_data if the topic is not Hatchet

>>15275674
meant to say top 10 but hey ho

>>15275650
That doesn't explain the lack of streams, projects or just basic things like not turning SCs off for most of their stream time.

>>15274081
They had a bunch of collabs. But never 1on1.

>>15274958
Retardo anondo

KSON is a solo indie now, don't compare her to her old self. By the rule she isn't even qualify as Vtuber since she just reuse her old account, put on an avatar.

>>15275679
Honestly, it feels like the restrictions are what brought out the best ideas from Coco. Being the odd one in a company full of shy introverts made her really stand out compared to the indie scene where she's just one of many.

>>15275707
Yeah, they hate money. It also doesn't explain how Fauna and Mumei have the least SCs and only one sponsorship between the two of them, those two in specific truly hate money.

>>15275859
It also stopped her from doing dumb things like collabing with Nux or that idiotic chartubate stream. On the hand some of the restrictions were bullshit, like her being unable to collab with EN until close to her graduation.

>>15275861
>Sana has 20k more than both of them despite LETS GOOOing her career for a month

How did she do it?

>>15274947
Look, only /vt/ puts any importance on that collab. No one really cared much about that. She just happens to currently be in the middle of a slump caused mostly by pressure over her project taking so long and a Holo friend dumping all of her worries on her, leading to her absorbing all that negativity and becoming overly critical of her own content. She's having a hard time focusing or at times even articulating on stream. She'll get through it no doubt but it's not as simple of a situation as an outsider would think.

>>15275650
how does that explain them being 100x less talented and 10x less motivated than myth?

>>15275997
I think that the real question is how the fuck does Mumei and Fauna have 20k less than Sana despite her LETS GOOOing her career for a month? The answer is probably roommate stuff.

>>15276037
>a Holo friend dumping all of her worries on her,
Who did that?

>>15275997
>Implying taking the extended break wasn't the reason for the SCs
Ngmi...

>>15275401
>Chumpedos: Gura has the highest VOD in Holo
>not even in the top 10
Rumao

>>15274328
Didn't Mori get a 5k stream not counted by Playboard or something, I remember people talking about that

>>15272676
nah nnd cracked down on that ages back, noel just does occasional roommate streams for the old fans. Her actual business of selling lewd asmr videos has gone through something like 3 different sites as they keep changing rules to get her off them.

>>15276047
Myth is literally lightning in a bottle, besides Council being a bit less talented they just dont have the squad synergy. Its sort of a classic idol problem you see in 3dpd idols where they don't have defined characters and float along until something finally makes them start being engaging. Although early myth collabs are famously shit they all have different character archetypes and distinctly feel like a squad of characters. Council on the other hand doesn't really have distinct characters outside of Kronii but Kronii self sabotages with retarded scheduling and imposter syndrome.

Presented without comment

>>15276230
>Gura has the highest VOD in Holo
Not even close for VOD views too

>>15276319
Actually, Council have everything, they just don't bother use it. Kronii is a meme lord, Mumei can be like Ame, Sana is literally Ina. But none of them try to do anything because Myth "senpai" told them to just take it easy.

>>15273565
La+ Kamippoi (2d 7h 18m)
HoloMyth Myth or Treat (2d 20h 45m)
Suisei Phony (3d 5h 29m)

>>15276319
>Myth is literally lightning in a bottle,
Explain X doing so hilariously better than Council then. They debuted not even a full month ago and already beat Council in nearly every metric imaginable, I think that the only thing Council has left is more streamed hours and maybe total watch time, neither of which will last long.

>>15276351
fauna stream is only 40min so was cut short while still rising.

>>15276351
Truly a failure.

>>15276401
>Pekora debut to now 892 days
>357k views per day
>Gura debut to now 468 days
>465k views per day

cope

>>15276543
Cope, there is no excuse to losing to a Nijien.

>>15276130
You know there's a certain senpai who's great friends with her and who's well known to go to her for advice on all sorts of things.

>>15276543
Not to mention, her stream was a waiting room for the karaoke that she cancelled due to tech issues.

>>15276543
>>15270566
He already went and make a bait thread.

>>15263754
she had a collab yesterday with Sodapoppin literally whoring herself on VR Chat, twitch coomers enjoyed that quite a lot

>>15276643
Fucking Aqua.

>>15276230
What does VOD matter for hours watched?

>>15276268
Yes
She got $66,612 this month

>Miko streaming content
>16k ccv

>Miko reading SC
>11k ccv

what do you call this, /#/?

>>15276436
If only ENGen 3 can be segregated from Myth and Council until the honeymoon phase is over

>>15276680
It doesn't, though the other chart also includes the new debuts + Fubuki, who frankly has the most absurd of VOD views for the month thanks to (Bad/Amazing) luck.

>>15276746
Its called "11am in Japan"

>>15276680
To be honest, if Amouranth's rebroadcasts views count as hours watched, VOD views should count as hours watched too.

>>15276746
High floor

Vshojo gold again

>>15276746
Core fanbase that's there for Miko and for her to talk while reading SCs.

>the daily coucnil vs holox and gura vs peko
i assume concil did decent numbers yesterday or nijis did really bad.

Anyway
chcoco with 2.5k singing, miko finishing her new show a little lower than her last but still decent numbers.
Kanata doing a recorded show and coyote still going with jump king with a healthy 9k.

Elira doing some date stuff for holidas and
luca doing DS3. 2k and 2.5k probably for both.
Also looking at the others NijiEn streams of the day, the boost of males seems to be fading and even on collab with the females it doesnt boost them enough. is 25th tough so it might also debuff their numebrs
>>15276666
the number is still on line with her average so it didnt buff her at all.

>>15276788
Anonchama, there's no way for us to know the watch time of VODs