/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

Really is fishy as fuck though.

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>38,611: Fubuki (Hololive)
>36,758: Aqua (Hololive)
>35,159: Honma (Nijisanji)
>34,958: Shion (Hololive)
>33,496: ROF-MAO (Nijisanji)
>29,725: Yorumi Rena (Nijisanji)
>22,555: Koyori (Hololive)
>19,390: Gura (Hololive)
>17,708: Pekora (Hololive)
>13,828: Ayame (Hololive)
>13,302: Marine (Hololive)
>11,802: Uruha (VSPO)
>11,649: Fubuki (Hololive)
>10,326: Shibuya Hal (merise)
>10,205: Iroha (Hololive)

>>15155932
SISTERS
I DEMAND ACTION AGAINST YOUTUBE
https://www.change.org/p/youtube-show-youtube-that-bts-army-doesn-t-use-bots

>>15155895
What do you want for christmas numberfags?

>>15155932
kek kpop viewbots
https://www.dexerto.com/music/youtube-respond-to-claims-of-deleting-views-from-bts-on-music-video-1334804/

>>15155932
>>15155947
kek, I can only wonder what would the effect of this be on his channel standing

>>15155939
47k peak for Fubuking

>>15155776
Whitechartanon, we need an update on the youtube x fujos bots battle

>>15155997
Not when the tally was tallied

>>15155959
Elden Ring permissions exclusive to Pekora on both Youtube and Twitch.. Or well I can settle for all of Hololive.

>>15155932
>unironic kpop botnet

>>15155973
now that is some mentally ill people.

>>15156033
so that peak just disappears into the ether?
it should either count for today or be applied to yesterdays viewcount

>>15155973
Wouldn't doubt it. Those people are severely mentally ill.
Have you ever checked a twitter tag and sort by new on a worldwide trending tag?
Filled to the brim with kpop bots.

>>15156102
>so that peak just disappears into the ether?
For the purpose of the daily tailly, yes. It could be worse, a stream that fails to beat the contender before 1AM would fail to get gold even if it got it after 1AM.

>>15156051
you joke about it but my sister and her friends do some shitty stuff to get their videos enough views, they all have
>multiple devices with different accounts
>play videos on different browsers
>they do some sort of ritual on discord "you must listen 20 times [x] today if you really love them" every day, they have a mod to check if it's true and they have to send screenshots of their history
good thing they don't know how to use VPN's though

>>15155997
should have been today... niji win chigusa 3d debut later

>>15156035
>exclusive to Pekora
you mean Aqua,Noel and Luna while pekora gets to stream the rest of MGS franchise right?

>>15156201

What is the expected for Chigusa 3D numbers? 50k?

update. botting stopped

>>15156238
here's my guess, youtube has been getting better at deflecting botting but they still allow them to play on {one} stream, so, they tried to use it on multiple channels and the views went back and forth

>>15156342
Youtube has always been good at detecting bots.
Twitch on the other hand doesn't do anything to stop them.

>>15156492
well, Twitch only offers in-house ads for stuff they own, aka, the Bezos family of products, they don't care how shitty their numbers are being manipulated, they know their exact numbers and their fucking ads are some of the worst

>>15156224
>Aqua
That's some wasted permissions anon... But yes, I can settle for MGS permissions as well.

>>15156584
if it would get her to stream games again? no thats no waste.

>>15156176
I'm going to fuck the autism out of your sister

7M get

>>15156584
>>15156673
Speaking about Aqua https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXeM0fXvOp8
500k in a month is not even on pace for 1m views in 2 months. Very high chance this will be worse than Contrail. Nijikiller no more.

>>15155959
I want Playboard's yearly SC totals to match up with their monthly ones, otherwise I wasted a bunch of my time this year calculating running totals for nothing, and for everyone's final totals to be spread out enough that PB's fuckups wouldn't have affected the outcome. Chloe making $300k by the end of the year would be fun though, if santa's being generous I'll take that.

>>15156934
>Nijikiller no more.
a bit ironic to say it on the day she killed the nijis again
but yeah the lack of streaming isn't doing any good to her channel . even tho she probably has more cash than she knows what to do with thanks to the promotion deals

>>15156176
Tell her that Youtube won't count more than five-ish views per day and report back the results.

holoEN - 1 stream - 7.4k
NijiEN - 5 streams - 7.4k

>>15157062
No, don`t tell her.

>>15157019
>PB's fuckups
rest in peace extra 16k$ for Nene

>>15157085
Without the bots, Ike just crashes.
Also, holy shit Millie cratered?

>>15157085
Millie...
Majinsanji doing what its best known for: killing the girls' hopes and dreams.

>>15157279
There goes the theory that the guys and girls don't share an audience.
The guys just took a big chunk of their audience.

>>15157151
>>15157279
Millie has gone like Chloe-hard on superchats this month, so she has kind of traded viewers for supas. And she has been pretty insane at that. Gets like minimum 1k on every stream, no matter how few viewers, blowing out the rest of NijiEN in december superchats

What's the point in talking about Mansanji when none of them get views? In a numbers thread, shouldn't you be talking about VTubers that actually GET numbers?

>>15157085
VOX SAMA! MYSTA KUN! THESE HOLOWHORE GETTING UPPITY!!

>>15157398
she was basically leeching viewers from them for that stream anyway, spent most of the stream talking about the guys

What the fuck is this? Botting?

>>15157085
I'm not even sure if that's the ideal tactic to take with the next male wave but are there any male indies Nijisanji can hire that would fare better during NA hours, especially NA primetime?

>>15157469
Let them have their fun, they've been bashed thoroughly this month. If nijisisters want to talk about their new en boys let them for a while. By the looks of it 3 of 5 are already down bad. The other 2 might keep up appearances for now, but will it last?

>>15157600
most likely yea, read the thread>>15155932

>>15157398
Nina has spent 90% of the time since their debuts talking about luxiem and making memes and shorts about luxiem, don't think she is very representative

>>15157600
Fuck if I know. kpop stans use them so maybe some of them like the males.

>>15157651
>they've been bashed thoroughly this month
We should be bashing them 24/7, fuck you, they deserve it. They're called Nijiniggers for a reason.

>>15157469
Can't do, Coco ended that conversation for good as her final gift to Hololive

>>15157600
Oh no no no don't tell me this happened to mysta and vox as well?

>>15157452
Millie will almost certainly beat Pomu's Niji EN record of $32k monthly superchats this month, she's on around 29k right now

vox at
4.2k

>>15157884
damn look at those coomers in his chat

how well will our /tree/ do today?
for me it will be around 6k

>>15157978
they need a longer playlist

>>15157978
I just hope they load more than an hour's worth of songs into the playlist this time.

>>15157755
no there haven't been any irregularities for those guys, just on two of ike's streams

>>15158033
they need to load it with an hour of SPARKS

>>15157821
Yep it is pretty crazy, and she hasn't even spammed streams that much, just has a really high average per stream. Still has Christmas stream and new years stream too, might get like 7-10k on those two streams. Although she has had maybe the most buffed single month a NijiEN has had, with birthday, 100k and first cover all coming in the same month. Still think she will be number one in NijiEN (of the girls atleast) in januari too, but not to this level

>>15158078
Chances of some crazed fan going rogue? Anycolor needs to stop this or else they will be blamed. It'd be beyond embarrassing. They'd be laughing stocks.

>>15158206
>They'd be laughing stocks
They aren't already?

>>15158206
assuming it has nothing to do with you you cant really do anything about it as the streamer can you though?

>>15158206
Explain how Anycolor is supposed to stop some rabid kpop fan from botting one of the talents

>>15158330
Release a statement condemning bot usage and have their talents tell their audience to not do it.

>>15158369
An official statement would be an industrial rat generator. Maybe just have the talents mention it in passing so if it does come out they have a timestamp to deflect criticism

Does anyone know what's the highest viewer count that Nijisanji EN ever got after debut? Collabs included.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm6g_U6edj4

Bae doing an archived karaoke later with the only thing overlapping being the Christmas tree cam. What numbers should we expect for this one? I think Mumei and Kronii can easily pull 20k but Bae doesn't stream karaoke enough to get a good estimate I feel like.

>>15158488
9.6k~, Petra collab with Lauran.

>>15158500
12K

>>15158500
9-10k

>>15158515
+Mayuzumi & Elira

>>15157279
>>15157398
retards, millie average is that. Only with special streams she goes beyond 1k or 2k.

>>15158488
On a single stream or like total NijiEN viewership with multiple streams at once? Single stream it was Petra's Mario party collab with mayuzumi and lauren at like 9.7k. Multiple streams at once, I have no idea, might be this morning with Vox and Mysta

>>15157398
She was reading superchats retard... at least give context to the numbers

>>15158500
this is announced and on a pretty good timeslot, I say 15k
should've used Gura's time slot since it's open because she's doing members only stuff
also, there's no funnel at all, the previous public stream is Ame's watchalong and the next one is a watchalong too

>>15158369
That would just make people aware of theoretical bot usage and make them start speculating about the two main guys having such high views. As it is, 99% of people are unaware of it. Best to let youtube sort it out.

*puaj*
get this numbers away from my face

>>15158828
>As it is, 99% of people are unaware of it
It won't take long until a schizo takes it out of /#/ to make bait threads and then start spreading.

>>15158515
>>15158661
I meant it in a single stream, yeah. Thanks, it's interesting that it was Petra out of all members

>>15158925
Lui taking a stab at that niche she needs. Shame for her that it's a dead end, EOPs never turn out.

>>15159039
>FPS hag
>doesn't play any FPS
why is she doing this?
is she reducing her fanbase on purpose to join tournaments with males or what?

>>15158500
I expect decent numbers. People are catching onto the fact that Bae is a really good singer and it was announced well ahead of time. I'm gonna say 15k.

>>15159086
>nijinigger hand typed this

>>15157884
We need another horny tweet session stream.

>>15157884
I'm a HoloCHAD who was actually hoping that the NijiMales had massive success. It is proving everything we have been saying about Manjisanji right and I'm going to love rubbing it in the face of Nijikeks. How are ya feeling Selenfags? Your girl is now an after thought in the branch she used to dominate.

>>15158925
Seriously, when will they get the memo
There's a reason other Holos stopped their duolingo streams
It's not worth it

現在の1万越え枠数(巣窟ルール) number of 10,000+ 12/1 - 12/23
ホロ:438
にじ:100

>>15156176
jesas

>>15159214
Nah, Nijifags (especially selenfags) are masters of disguises.
They'll simply go back being Council schizos Or now use Nijimales to shit on holos pretending NijiEN Girls doesn't exists.
>When they get really pissed they'll say, this a Hololive hugbox afterall.

Man, Lui is trying to court the EOPs hard but I can't see it working out until she gets superchats enabled.

>>15159248
It was sure as hell worth it for Suisei 7 month ago. Facilitated her incline together with Ghost.

>>15160277
is it worth it?

>>15160346
Suisei won the meme lottery with the hi honey stuff, that's not a viable strategy for everyone else to follow

>>15156159
That's not how we did it.
If a stream won the day and it got a higher peak later, that peak would get applied.
That's why we used to wait 1-2 hours before posting the winners, not 30 minutes.

Otherwise we should just go back to counting streams in every day they play, like with puyo and vrabi.

>>15160277
>>15160418
the numbers she cares about is measured in inches or cms

>>15156201
Not if Fubuki does a "congratulations for Twitter verification and shiny Magikarp" totsu
60k guaranteed.

>>15160460

>>15160346
Suisei only did one or two, Luis already is third no?

>>15157884
this guys just went for what is buff content and now has to commit to both Ds2, and security breach which are terrible streaming games.
So i expect coomer stream again soon.

>>15160460
Luinee a futa??

>>15160666
wrong gen 6

>>15160346
Suisei already had chunky kaigai audience that wanted to tune in, plus she played it out as memey as possible.

>>15157085
>>15157398
I wonder how nijifags and these girls feeling when they slowly fall into irrelevancy by the next 3 or 4 waves next year? Not many people are actually familiar with nijisanji in the west. They thought niji are no different from holo except it has males and still believe it's the biggest chuuna corpo in JP. But imagine the reaction from others in future when they flood the market with 30+ chuuba by 2022

>>15160500
Nah she isn't that shameless. She'd need to do some meme like cooking a fish plate (discarded karps) party totsu where her friends call in to get one dead Karp, and maybe even call a "chef" to cohost. Or some shit like that

>9pm 3D debut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bV_fLqdlbE
>10pm fuwa 2nd anniv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQSbmtWHijY
>chonoir xmas stream
any gold contender in the holo side today?

>>15160277
this is a shit timeslot
she need to wait for gura slot and wait for when she doesnt stream.
otherwise must people are out.

>>15160890
true, this is the worst time slot

>>15160845
Gura's member cock rating stream

It really doesn't help to have 2 english streams going at the same time for JP, even started at basically the same time.. What ever en tourists you would snag is split.. Even worse..

>>15160845
I like Chigusa, but all the recent low view Friday 3D debuts make me question if she can even get 45k anymore, especially on Chrustmas eve.

Even then, it might not be enough for gold.

>>15160845
>the christmas relay is tomorrow (JST)
>FBK done with shiny feesh
>tree day 2
>Botan JK
>La+ doing something kurisumasu related
>rom EN all but watchalongs today
>bae Karaoke I guess

>>15161111
I don't watch many niggy 3D debuts, but I'll make time for hers.

>>15161101
At least Lui can actually form sentences and seems to know the vocabulary, she struggles a bit with grammar.
Probably makes her the best English speaker in HoloJP by default.

>>15161111
I don't know why you'd ever admit to liking such a literal who. She's a 2view for a reason.

>>15161289
because she's a woman in manjisanji?

>>15161370
That's just a cope. She has all the exposure in the world and she can't keep an audience. She's just not entertaining.

>>15160845
Chigusa is cute so I'll watch it
I'm very hyped for hisu, akko and ngo though
The Serejou gen in general is really good and underrated

https://youtu.be/HelCsF5XKL0
Itashas:
Holo: 9
Niji: 2

>>15161111
I'll watch, been following her lately, she got nice voice

>>15160890
that or try and pander to ESLs right before JST primetime

>>15161151
christmas relay is on the 25th, not 24th

>>15161370
She should've begged Matsuri to get her into Hololive if she didn't want to be a WHO.

>>15161271
How is it that English is so hard for JP when it's part of their compulsory education. Lui's english is very good in comparison to the rest of HoloJP, but that level should be normal upon taking years of lessons.
I took Japanese as a foreign language during schooling. I can watch streams, hold a conversation, and read novels with a reference, and so could everyone else in my class

>>15161271
Chammers...

i think chammers is acting stupid tho
Lui Nee is probably around or above Subaru in EN competence, both can form their own sentences now.

>>15161624
You don't understand just how horrible of an English education the nips get.
Even if they have an foreign English teacher, the Japanese teachers will undo everything you do.

>>15161560
today is the 24 (JST), tomorrow JST is 25, we are talking on the context of the daily tally

>>15161733
The foreign English teachers can't speak Japanese though. How are they meant to teach anything effectively?

>>15161624
they have no real use for it besides from the Westaboos and tourists. language goes to shit when not being used.

happens when you're country is competent on its own. unlike ESLs who's chances to success are being a corrupt politician or getting the fuck out of their country.

>>15160845
NIJI GOLD
>NIJI GOLD
NIJI GOLD
>NIJI GOLD

>>15161111
She has public recognition. If this thread is right about the amount of tourists Nijisanji has then they should come for this event too.

Ame 2.5k votes on a poll with 2k viewers, it's a watchalong and only 6 minutes have passed

>>15162094
her first poll lasted 3 minutes with 2000 votes to 1700 viewers aswell. Hololive fans have some insane participation ratios

>>15162094
2941 votes

>>15162094
It happens in every en streams, even the niji ones
Probably losing 50%+ of the viewers everytime
That's why people shouldn't argue about the en streams so hard, they do better than they look

>>15162153
same on mobile

>>15161858
It's true that if I wasn't a turbo weeb I wouldn't have kept pursuing it, but even my normie friend who also took Japanese for fun can still hold a good conversation

>>15161773
the next daily tally, that comes in less than 24 hours, will not include the christmas karaoke relay, idk what youre thinking

>>15162226
EN viewers are more inclined to use an adblocker and I've heard speculation of users with an adblocker not being counted by some youtube metrics

Archive views should be the norm really, I don't understand why you care about live views so much

>>15162354
ccv is just easier to check, but it is really shitty yeah

>>15162354
The thread wouldn't be so fun without live view tracking

>>15162354
we have no proof that total views aren't being culled either

>>15162583
There's plenty of proof that VOD views get culled actually.

>>15162094
Watch alongs you’d expect to get murdered by tab outs. Obvious the movie will have focus.

>>15162354
Because they're live streamers.

Plus most of the archive views will be from the live stream, though heavily manipulated by YT bots.

Speaking of archives, i should get that sub 1 million list updated.

>>15162354
Active watchers vs archive views where you don't even need to watch most of the video for it to count as a view.

>>15162354
I think YT likes would have been a great metric for engagement and popularity if nips actually press them

>>15162583
I remember the case when youtube removed 20k views from Ame's Oblivion VOD, which had about 85k by that time.
Spam views are culled regularly, but this was an outlier.

>>15162354
>watch video for 30 seconds
>vet counted as a view
Because stream watchers engage more and these people are live streamers.

>>15162583
well, guess you missed the Kpop stans vs Youtube for deleting BS song views drama.

>>15162354
Both vod and ccv are shit because of fucking Susan and kpop stans.

>>15162583
Gura's new outfit lost like 200k when burgers were sleeping

>>15162738
Kpop stans are literally insane. They culled like 40-100M views from a BTS release and they went nuts. Competition with Blackpink drove them to all sorts of insane measures. Renting server farm time, bots, everything.

whats with the obvious samefags right now?

>>15163025
burger hours and spics hours

>>15160346
Her incline started way before GHOST and Duolingo streams

>>15162354
They're live streamers. Archive views are irrelevant.>>15162354

>>15162772
Gura’s Birthday VOD got culled after it hit 1 million, probably happens to everyone but not a lot of people track it.

>>15159214
Except none of the girls lost anything. And Nijisanji female still are doing better than most female in the market.

>>15163498
>I placed last in an international chess tournament, but that is fine as I'm technically better than 99% of the other chess players in the world

>>15162149
>Hololive fans have some insane participation ratios
Pretty much
The 2views and 3views I follow have a fair ratio or participants when they open polls. I guess the system glitches when the stream has above 1k CCV.

>>15163498

>>15157085
Vox should just read thirsty tweets everyday. That's the only way to get holo level views.

>>15163887
At this rate Mysta is gonna outpace all 5 of them from social media exposure alone.

>>15162731
>>15162699
This isn't really an argument as it aggregates out anyways, there are some portion of viewers that are 5 second andys and then a constant stream of people clicking into the stream watching for a few minutes and leaving as well. We'll never know for sure without watch time analytics but certainly total vod views are more reliable for a global audience product than ccvs which are extra sauced by Susan.

I went dumpster diving the bait threads for a bit and found this and thought this sounds like an interesting topic enough to discuss here.

>>15163464
>Why YAGOO doesn't make a sub branch of Hololive called HoloRejects for Chuubas to develop and possibly move up to the main branch blows my mind.
>>15164011
>>Hololive is structured similarly to a football league now with promotions and relegations
>Unironically a good idea

Well, anons, is it a good idea?

>>15164520
only if its Twitch-exclusive

>>15163627
imagine actually defending such mindset. I can't take you guys seriously when you think NijiEN are failures among other kind of statements.

>>15164610
>I cant take you guys seriously
>taking this place seriously in the first place

>>15164520
because cover is a box pushing company they would never bother with such a thing. The Cover suits are already superstitious old jap men who keep things the same if they get the big number even if they are shit. See Gura's Rigger, lolsorandum hologra, spamming the same cover song on every talent

>>15164520
No, because it runs antithesis to current Hololive internal culture where even the lower viewed Holos get sponsorships and shit. Doing something as cancerous as having regulation and whatnot will basically kill one of the things that makes Hololive able to stand through so much shit that they've had to deal with: Unity.
It'd also be pretty cancer for the indie/small corpos too, leave em the fuck alone and let them grow at their own pace.
>>15164610
Only shitposters and those with terminal numberrot think that way, and both can and should be ignored.

>>15164610
Nijifags considers Council and Gen 5 failures. Everytime a Holo gets good numbers they straight up dive in and shit on these 2.

So why act surprise if we call NijiEN a failure when they're doing mich worse the Council and Gen5

Based Lamy keeping a counter of her sub count up the past few streams

>>15165125
>numberfagging subs
lamy is NGMI as a numberchad

>>15164346
VOD views were reliable back when the ccv fuckery started but then Susan took down the website that tracked views + other stats. Jewtube then started fucking with VOD views by freezing them, verify and releasing them in batches, and now culling fast growing VODs (often multiple times).

>>15165125
She wants that 900k before the month ends

>>15164610
NijiEN fucking sucks. The sooner you accept this the better off you will be.

>>15165233
Now personally I believe in the google aiming to socially engineer the whole world and is an intensely evil company and am somewhat schizo about it but optimistically the view counter which is basically the product they are presenting to advertisers is trying to be accurate so there must be bots or other heuristics they are culling from it that make sense for advertisers. The CCV stuff however just like youtube streaming in general is totally scuffed and is probably tracking a dozen arcane things like adblock or tab in or browser or who knows what.

>>15165125
since she revealed she was a numberfag I find her cuter

>>15164610
Cry about it. You're in the big leagues now competing with other titans as the second largest vtuber company in the world.
>but what about
Is nothing more than cope.

>>15165846
>1 hour ago
Can you please not?

>>15163498
Reimu...

>>15165939
Yea. Anything beyond 5 minutes by any significant amount is just measuring viewer churn at that point.

>>15165939
Cope, it's clear by now that EN stream CCVs are at least double what is displayed by Susan

>>15166002
still high viewer churn for a watch-along.
max ccv of 2k but nearly 14k votes

>>15165846

>>15166138
imagine getting 20k for a watchalong but susan scrooges you out of your rightful views because her platform is shit

>>15164520
they can always make hololive SEA for EN rejects, of course it's not strictly SEA, but if you're pretty shit you get to experience the life of a 3rd worlder

>>15166100
Consider the following line of thought:
"I don't really like watchalongs, but I like ame, so I'll leave a like, a vote, and then be on my way"
Of course, this is countered by the fact that most sane people would just not vote or not bother tuning into the stream, but one thing we can count on for HoloEN fans is that they're quite high on the engagement metrics (except for watching the streams live apparently).

>>15166031
>be a retard
>be pointed out why you're a retard
>"C-COPE"
Numberniggers, everyone.

>>15165033
And they are retards if they think council and gen 5 are a failure when both do insane numbers lol

>>15165973
same kind of numbers she generally does

>>15166348
You're right about Council but gen 5's numbers are pretty shit.

>>15166253
if the engagement in the poll was something like 2x the ccv I could see that but nearly 7x the ccv?

>>15158500
Bae won't beat the Tree.

>>15166264
The only retards in here are the last samurais coping hard that EN CCV is actually far higher than their precious jaypees.

2 days almost 750k, trending in SK.

>>15166608
Too obvious, globalfag.

>>15166613
One day Gosegu will beat Gura, this is the first step in Isegye domination

>>15166469
*shrug*
I'm just saying that there are probably a not-insignificant amount of people coming in, seeing "oh shoot I missed the start, I'll catch the vod" and then voting anyways.

>>15165233
anon, youtube has been doing vod fuckery like the freezing for a decade.

Man, the numbers thread is dead. Ever since a large amount of the chuuba audience dropped chuubas and moved over to Namibia Cam we haven't been the same. Oryx-chan is too powerful.

>>15165484
Numberfagging is disgraceful as a vtuber. At least NijiEN doesn't. Caring about numbers is so plastic.

>>15160845

jeez, that's a lot of possible good numbers. if we are going by what is scheduled now the only thing that could beat any of these is the mikorone stream (with the big announcement)

>>15167848
Please Anon, don't fool yourself.
This is their Job, every vtuber is a numberfag. It just depends on how worse is it.
>But i do agree, what Lamy has been doing is kinda Sad. Imagine getting so threatened by newcomers like Orca.

>>15167598
>Oryx-chan is too powerful.
>1.9k
lol

>>15168032
>mikorone
Dang, I was hoping for a PekoMiko Christmas. Guaranteed 100k.

>>15160845
>>15168032
Yeah, they're going all out this Christmas Eve.
Niji Gold is good as won today.
>doesn't matter tho since Hololive has already won the month and the year.

Should NijiEN hire him or would he cannibilize Voxs numbers https://www.twitch.tv/lexpartevt/clip/SpookyAcceptableGullPeteZaroll-J2yYgtf_2Ete19D2

>>15168033
Shut up anon. Don't respond to reimu

Pomu with a 2 minute old poll, 1000 votes, 800 viewers.....

>>15168337
>800 viewers.....
She's not getting that 200k subs this year huh

>>15168337
IT IS KNOWN!
Kek. NijiEN girl fanbases are heavily molded from the same stuff as HoloEN(especially Pomu who shares a chunk of KFP), so high engagement. If anything, being converted means they're even more so.

>>15168337
Actually got much worse, 1500 votes to 900 viewers after about 5 minutes. Thanks youtube

>>15168450
She'd need the same sub growth the same as Mumei or Nene to do that by the 1st. Very unlikely.

>NijiEN already beat NijiJP if not for the views culling
kek, you love to see it

>>15168311
>Imagine being so threatened by the Orca that you put up a sub counter because your getting Mogged in every metric

Today's superchats

>>15169094
>>15168033
Heyy Reimu, if you become my wife then i promise I will abandon HoloEN and watch only you.
I wanna cuddle you while you are streaming with hundreds of nijicucks watching.

Is Minecraft still a buff game?

so is it manjisanjiEN yet

>>15169247
Holy Shit, Orca just got mogged by Pink Dog and Ninja. What the hell did they stream to get such SCs

Ok serious question by someone who dosent spend much time on this thread. Dosen't this give anyone ground to contest the medals with the poll argument, saying that yt isnt catching all the views.

Or am i missing something and being retarded.

>>15169247
Sad
>Lamy can't even Compete anymore

Burger time is ruthless for the boys

>>15169358
Minecraft could almost be called the neutral state at this point. Anything better than Minecraft is a buff anything worse is a debuff.

>>15169393
Chloe played the game everyone played to death, Koyori opened memberships, Iroha beat jump king in record time

>>15169358
Yes, but the buff is weird and multi-faceted for EN.
Also, here's something to consider:
Gura just dropped that the Reflect MV is DONE, but that she's waiting to release it. Clearly she's a numberfag, its just that WHAT she numberfags and values isn't the same as what us numberfags care for.
She's right in waiting, releasing it now would be absolutely TERRIBLE as christmas season is pretty bad for EN music that isn't christmas related, plus there's that collab orisong for Mori that's coming out in January. I expect to see Reflect MV either a few weeks after Q is released at soonest.

>>15169398
You're not, this place is just populated by last samurai CCVschizos who refuse to accept the truth. All EN vtubers are crippled badly by Youtube and probably have an order of magnitude more viewers than the numbers shown.

>>15169398
Everyone loses some amount of viewers and it is unknowable on our side, so we have to use the numbers we see.

>>15169468
guy got botted.

>>15169468
Wasn't that EU stream the one that was being blatantly botted? Peak should be much lower.

>>15169398
Every stream gets fucking culled, even JP, just to (perhaps) a lesser extent.
Honestly, numberfagging daily CCV is just a 'for fun' thing to keep the schizos and bored anons occupied. The REAL meat and value is keeping track of numbers long-trend and picking out trends in metrics.

>>15169565
Except the poll phenomenon only happens to EN so pretending they're not being unfairly affected is disingenuous.

>>15169398
Hence why Bili and Twitch numbers aren't accepted here. Everyone streaming on Youtube is a fair game tho.

>>15169398
>>15169549
Were also populated by people who ignore the fact that we have concrete date from before and after the cull and ENs lose 34% and JPs lose 25%.

>>15169398
Nope, we just follow what Ikioi records.
>Listanon uses Nijimado and Holostats if the ranking may change since ikioi sometimes don't capture the highest peak.

Ame getting 15k votes in an hour poll can also mean some people just visited her stream, watches for a few mins then left.

>>15169626
It happens to everyone.

>>15169393
Another way to look at it is Chloe was doing a regular Pokemon stream and almost got as much superchats as Iroha did for beating Jump King and Koyori got for her membership opening and Mio collab.

>>15169607
Sigh.
This is 1000% unironic botshit.
YOU STUPID FAGGOTS, I KNOW YOU'RE HERE. ANYONE WHO BOTS IS ABSOLUTELY HERE IN NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU'D ONLY DO IT IF YOU WERE NUMBERS OBSESSED.
STOP IT.
YOU ARE ACTIVELY HARMING THEM BY BOTTING IN SUCH A BRAIN-DEAD OBVIOUS MANNER SINCE YT IS FAR MORE LIKELY TO FLAG THE POOR BASTARD AS BEING THE TARGET OF NUMBERBOTTING.

>>15169691
No it doesn't, no JP has ever gotten double their viewer numbers in polls in under 5 minutes. Actual EN cull is more than 50%.

>>15169673
Bae had 9k votes with 4500 CCV in a poll that was up for ten minutes the other day.

>>15169626
This is correct >>15169691
While JP tends to be lower in engagement, that FFXIV poll Pekora had definitely indicates that the same thing is happening to JP, just perhaps to a weaker amount.

>>15169544
isnt january a debuff season for music too? or am i confusing it and is the streams that get debuffed?

>>15166229

>>15169749
>No it doesn't,
We have before and after data from the cull. Stop ignoring that we have concrete data instead of wishful thinking that somehow the cull doesn't affect JPs at all.

>>15169815
JP loses maybe 10% or so, EN loses fricking half of their total viewers so it's not the same

>>15169891
We have before and after data. It's an 11% difference between JP and EN.

>>15169887
Anon, is easier to post the proof just to shut him up for once

>>15169607
>>15169614
Surely there is some explanation for that. Wasn't it because he was overlapping with Vox? Vox graph looks normal.

>Sigh.
>This is 1000% unironic botshit.
>YOU STUPID FAGGOTS, I KNOW YOU'RE HERE. ANYONE WHO BOTS IS ABSOLUTELY HERE IN NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU'D ONLY DO IT IF YOU WERE NUMBERS OBSESSED.
>STOP IT.
>YOU ARE ACTIVELY HARMING THEM BY BOTTING IN SUCH A BRAIN-DEAD OBVIOUS MANNER SINCE YT IS FAR MORE LIKELY TO FLAG THE POOR BASTARD AS BEING THE TARGET OF NUMBERBOTTING

>>15169626
Happens to JP too. There's speculation it hits EN vtubers, particularly those working for Japan based companies, harder. There is no real proof for this. There's a lot of concurrent and unrelated metrics that show overall interest in EN vtubers has dropped off steeply since the precull days, so imagining it's all just down to cull is just delusional.

>>15169836
IIRC ad rev tends to be shit for Jan/Feb? for traditional YT.
Views-wise, it might be neutral. I'd need to go and check past music data because now I'm curious.

>>15169927
Wrong

>>15169247
i dont watch VSPO. Why is Nose so high?

>>15170105
i was her birthday

>15170067
>There's a lot of concurrent and unrelated metrics that show overall interest in EN vtubers has dropped off steeply
Hi ENschizo

>>15170103
At what point in the stream was this? If they do a poll right at the start while numbers are recovering from prechat drop it's gonna be wildly inaccurate. If they do it 20 minutes in it shouldn't be that different.

>>15170250
About 6-7 minutes in. It's definitely in the archive.

Streamlabs numbers. They are pretty good, this system provides a good alternative source of donations

>15170171
>Everyone I don't agree with is the ENschizo

>>15169927
They're going to use that one outlier and think its any form of solid evidence.

>>15169247
December superchats so far
>Chloe - $210,914
>Iroha - $159,748
>Laplus - $124,914
>Nene - $101,628
>Koyori - $101,336
>Pekora - $97,190
>Rushia - $91,997
>Fubuki - $67,439
>Hayato - $66,744
>Ayame - $64,009
>Mori - $60,196
>Flare - $59,518
>Lui - $57,617
>Lamy - $57,215
>Kanata - $55,827
>Shion - $50,915
>kson - $40,493
>Kiara - $34,474
>Mishiro - $31,192

>>15170281
6-7 minutes is still in the recovery curve. What was her CCV 20 minutes into the stream?

>>15170171
>enchizo
>nijisister
do yoy have another boogeyman globalfag?

>>15170343
Every EN poll has been like that ENschizo, whats next are you going to claim that EN fans are botting polls or that Susan's poll counting algorithms are fucked up

>>15170281
>>15170250
Sorry, I meant that the poll was 6-7 minutes long. The poll went up at about 10 minutes in when the waiting room cull had already passed for a while.

>>15169247
>Nora Cat
How much of a gigachad do you have to be to send your oshi a akasupa when "she's" not only a guy with a voice changer but *the* guy with a voice changer?

>>15170294
Nina was losing her shit over that cookie guy, I can see why now. Splits that 50/50 with Niji so it's $1300 in her pocket.

>>15170404
> everyone who disagrees with me is a globalfag
help me fill up the list.

>>15169673
Ames poll had double her CCV after about 15 minutes, assuming her entire viewerbase turned over in 15 minutes thats still 100% engagement with the poll.

>>15170351
what happened to kiara ?kek

>>15170424
Show me two more examples where there's 100% more poll votes than CCV.
Calling anyone you disagree with an EN schizo is also not doing you any favors.

>>15170385
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/3wZ3LCRer5o
4.1k viewers is 14 minutes into the stream. The poll was up for about 6 minutesish at the point of the screenshot, so the poll started at about 8 minutes into the stream.

>>15170446
Not a voice changer, it's speech to text that's then fed into text to speech.

>>15170351
Kson doing too many collabs and projects with random EN side vtubers her core fans don't give a shit about.

>>15170510
Just happened a couple hours ago with Ame you retard

>>15170351
>Be ayame with a sea motif but you actually stream
>10,000 dollars daily

>>15170545
I said two more, can't you number?

>>15170471
well only globalfag likes en here

>>15170572
Do your archive reps last samurai

My fav. streamer will be on in 30 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdrBWKi72Uo

enfags just have a short span of attention causing high number of viewer shuffle, reason why their vod shoots up in the sky and its nothing to be proud of retards

>>15170593
>reps of something that doesn't exist
100% more votes than CCV is a very recent thing.

>>15170577
>if you like en then you are a globalfag
keep adding more

>>15170678
unintelligible schizo babble

>>15169937
Maybe some saviorfags fujos.
the guys have it hard. Seems they are more popular on Sea but is not a market they can keep unless they abandon the eu or burger one.
Cant keep doing 2 streams a ay in different timelsots for long.

>>15170577
And only /jp/ likes JP here?

>>15170809
not my problem that you have dyslexia

>>15170759
Only started happening after EN had their views culled, coincidence? I think not

>>15170898
YouTube algo change was last year.

>>15170884
cope, you don't have any watch time charts except the ones your tulpa draws for you

How much that this retard is a teamate? after all, this sperg-out started once someone posted the votes ame had on a poll in her watchalong

>>15170884
> Enter /#/ thread
> S-Subs don't matter
> V-Vods don't matter
> C-CCV don't matter
> S-SC don't matter
> N-Numbers don't matter
Why are you so sour?

>>15170351
The most Hololive members to get over $100k in a month was 6 this January, we're already at 5, Pekora and Rushia are basically guaranteed to join them, and if Kanata's anniversary does well she could too

>>15171056
The schizos finally got freed from being cuked and decided to shit all over the board.

pls andastand

>>15171056
They have to cope one way or the other. No one wins in /#/s

>>15171020
ESL-kun...
>>15170946
Yea, it's really only obvious to more people though once members started using polls more to reinforce how fucky CCV is.

>>15171145
>No one wins
Holo wins, stay mad nijikek

>>15171056
Thread is fucking dead today. I take it the regulars are busy with Christmas shit?

>>15170626
Nambia vs HoloTree has got to be my favorite battle in the number thread.

nijien ccv is also getting culled 1000%

>>15171148
Could use some examples from JP too for the sake of comparison.
You know, instead of sperging out right away like a couple of overly excited anons here.

>>15171262
SEAfags probably out it's the morning of 24th there

why are vshoujo numbers conveniently ignored?

>>15171262
There are no HoloEN streams that aren't members-only ongoing at the moment, and the state of NijiEN right now...well, it's pretty normal considering the circumstances (Pomu is SC reading before you go doomposting)

>>15171458
Most of them are complete midgets and the ones who aren't never get numbers high enough to matter.

>>15171481
>There are no HoloEN streams that aren't members-only ongoing at the moment
Fauna

>>15169807

Why the heck holoen is so lazy even though they don't have number

>>15171481
Fauna is streaming right now.

what makes ensharts think that holoen is specifically targeted by Susan?

>>15171020
ESLchama, the sperg isn't a teamate.

>There was that one retard that decided to post one screen with a poll older than 10 minutes (that's our rule of thumb for any activity rate metric). He got called out and proceeded to sperg like the retard he is.
>The other retard ITT is the one that brought up Rrat's poll without the time stamp.
>Everyone else arguing are just /hlg/ and /hlgg/ retards that clearly have no business being here because all they do is tribalfag.
>There's also Reimu... but that's Reimu; she needs to cope somehow.

>>15171458
Twitch numbers are worthless

>>15171458
It's hard to compare twitch numbers to youtube numbers. No one can agree how much twitch's are inflated or how much youtube's are nerfed.

Aside from that it seems like their average is rather good, but their ceiling is a lot lower so their even events don't really bring in especially unusual numbers worth much discussion.

>>15171515
That was an unannounced stream. The only non-watchalong on NA primetime is Bae's unarchived karaoke

>>15171515
>>15171568
I hate myself for not checking. That was definitely not a scheduled stream, thanks.

>>15171580
They know that HoloEN is trending down but don't want to admit it so they use the cull cope even though the cull is just a scaler and has no effect on trends.

>>15171613
Reimu stops streaming the shizos and shitpost increase, makes you think.

>>15171809
Fantasma...

Okat, so taking out all the necessary cuts from Cover and YT, Hololive vtubers have to make at least a thousand dollars per month in just SC right?

Is that a lot for an average joe to make?

Why do many from /jp/ glorify Japan and Japanese-made products so much?

>>15161514
>shows Lamy
>this is Mirai who is a princess from the future
ogey

>>15161514
no en kek

>>15171882

>>15172231
I meant per week, stupid brain not working that time.

>>15172015
Because it's the "I Wish I Was Japanese" board.

>>15168156

didn't noticed before but add one more to christmas niji streams

https://youtu.be/vKed4tLePgI

karaoke party on mito channel with seven nijis. the one from last year did really well

>>15171882
SC income is incredibly unbalanced, Rushia has $1.6 million this year while Choco has $60k. Some of the Indos are even lower

>>15172526
Whats the current top 10 in SC total for this year?

>>15160845
>>15168156
>>15172481
Nobody gives a fuck about Nijishitty.

>>15171882
>>15172321
Anon, you're taking a very narrow view of just how much Holos earn.

The absolute lowest earning HoloJP (Aki, probably) is likely earning well over $100,000 per year doing whatever. Mind you that she is the Holo with the lowest CCV average that is NOT a HoloID member. And that's just estimates based on channel activity since we can't truly define how much they earn at all from things like sponsorships and merchandise. SC income is very likely not even the biggest part of the income for a Holo to begin with, to the point that basically no one in HoloEN actively encourages people to SC.

So, what does $1000 (per month or week even) count for when you're more likely cashing in an order of magnitude more through other revenue streams?

>>15172652

>>15172652

they all are streams that have potential to get gold today so people will talk about them even if you don't want it, anon

>>15168032
>A lot of possible good numbers
No it isn't. Nobody gives a fuck about Nijishitty

>>15171882
monthly i think cover get around 300k dolars only in jp...

>>15172777
>potential to get gold
No they don't

>>15172596
>Uruha Rushia - $1,560,279
>Kiryu Coco - $1,465,968
>Yukihana Lamy - $880,120
>Houshou Marine - $834,249
>Usada Pekora - $784,747
>Amane Kanata - $762,275
>Mori Calliope - $723,209
>Takanashi Kiara - $654,362
>Momosuzu Nene - $622,166
>Tsunomaki Watame - $575,283
That's at the start of December, this month Pekora overtook Marine and Nene overtook Kiara

>>15172652
>>15172844
>>15172892
Seething schizo

>>15172967
Add up golds for the year Nijifuckhead.

Towa's space with higher ccv than any vtuber on youtube right now.

>>15172960
ugh i thought gen5 is a failure?

>>15173287
Nijishitty is a failure. Bad chuubas, bad fans, bad everything.

what's a good buff game to stream on christmas

>>15173327

treebros... what happened...

>>15173327
meds but based.

>>15173391
debut buff it's over

Baelz 9k get with singing stream

>>15173083
Oh ,I didnt notice Bea.

>>15173391
The overlaps are too strong.

>>15173337
Minecraft with people

>>15172749
>The absolute lowest earning HoloJP (Aki, probably) is likely earning well over $100,000 per year doing whatever.
Not even close. Unless Aki is making 50k a year on merch, which she definitely is not.

who's the weakest
Choco or Festival

>>15173571
Festival

>>15173542
aki gets into a lot of sponsorship

>>15173542
the lowest i think it's either Sora or Azki

bae 10K get

>>15173542
I do wonder how long the bottom end will hang on as the inner-company competition eats up even more attention. I'm already surprised more people haven't graduated.

big numbers??
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1474220790149267457

Imagine losing to Anya x Choco split POV collab at morning JP hours

>>15173907
she's singing the meme song

>>15173981
Anya and Choco are under the Tree line too, graduation when?

>>15173977
decent line up but no bunny means middling numbers at best

Bae bringing honor to en branch right now.

So is Hololive going to have an official New Year celebration stream again this year? Or did their loss to Niji's NY stream last year deter them from doing it again?

Wow Bae CAN ACTUALLY SING SING

>>15174165
>when you see 10k in unarchived karaoke as an achievement
ENsharts are pathetic

>>15173977
>overlapping
>main ch
20k-25k

>>15173977
Hmm.
Strong enough of a lineup, but this year people are free vs last so who knows what kind of numbers it pulls.

So many Holos doing lovey-dovey xmas eve streams tonight, today's supas are going to be an absolute bloodbath

>>15173542
I checked playboard and on superchats this year if my math is correct she takes home at least 70k.

>>15174246

>>15174204
I think if they were going whole hog they would have already hinted at it so there might be a mediocre one at best or an a-chan recap

>>15174319
Yeah Aki makes decent SC for her position, it's Choco and Mel who are the real shitters in JP

>>15174246
>NijiEN gets 8k during SEA time
We crown him
>Bae gets a casual 11k
Failure of the century.

Why do the sisters infest these threads?

>>15173082
69

>>15174165
All en vtuber*
Fixed.

>>15174246
reminder that pirate uploads of Gura's karaoke have the same collective views as pegoras entire output for the year

>>15174426
Doubt Mel really cares.
She makes around 50k a month in subs from NND.

Twitch en vtuber scene tonight is dead or what??? What happen over there anyway??

>>15173731
>Sora

>>15174426
Mel and Choco are fucking loaded and Hololive is just them getting to hang with their friends.

>>15174426
And she's in the top 50 in japan on superchats not bad if you take her ccv into account.

>>15174543
No?
Its just that there's no centralized site to pick up just EN vtubers on Twitch super easy, and people are lazy.
It's also not like vshojo's numbers are particularly exceptional, they're all around what they've held for the past few months for the most part.

>>15173731
>face of Nijisanji
Active mover of the company and was their long time workhorse.
>Sora
Kind of a shitter than got lucky and happens to be there.

No one kneels to Sora, everyone kneels to Mito.

>>15173731
I never know that there's not just a newfag but also retarded wow

>>15173981
When a freaking holo tree get more views than you. Just quit.

>>15170446
I think it's how he keeps going and lives with it instead of backing down when found out that made people respect him

>>15174686
I think you got it backwards.
Every holo kneel to Sora while Mito is irrelevant in Niji.

Bae is having a kino karaoke right there, it pleases a lot of sultans in the chat it seems.

> Pekora promised a new costume this year
> Year end grows closer, all hope seems lost
> Sudden announcement and subsequent stream within a week on the last month of the year, everyone excited, gets to the top 5 CCV streams of all time among chuubas.
>
>
> Fubuki waiting MONTHS for Twitter verification, other holomems keep getting Verified in the meantime and tease her about it
> Also waiting for close to a month trying to catch a Shiny fish, to the point that her chances of NOT catching it by that point was calculated to be 5%
> Gets BOTH on fucking Christmas Eve.

Few threads ago an anon was talking about Hololive having a lot of "storylines" compared to the competition.
How the fuck do they keep doing it?

>>15174886
Mio is a real witch

>>15174686
What? Its the other way around Nijinigger. Mito is now irrelevant in her own company. Sora is admired and respected by everybody.

>>15174787
Wait what, we have come to a point where someone tries to bait with Sora? The most harmless person in Hololive? Sora?

WTF?

>>15157600
Lmao

>>15174854
Yeah, she is a little off key at times by holy fuck that rat has some damn pipes. Such a powerful voice. If she practiced these songs (which she admitted she didn't do) this would be one of the best karaoke streams of all time.

>>15174886
I think I might have to contact Japanese government to report on some suspicious illegal activities. They will be taken down.

>>15174886
Yagoo plans out the plot line for the year and Mio gives a sneak peak with the tarot cards.

Bae 12k. Kneel.

>>15174934
well, as long as somebody bites

>>15174886
>do you like it?

>>15174886