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Hololive's really gearing up to collect those burger stimulus cheques huh?

>> No.1497150

>>1497091
Polka is very quick to catch onto trends See also, envy

>> No.1497173

>>1497091
>cheques
Bongchama!?

>> No.1497203

ORUKA PORUKA

>> No.1497225

>>1497150
KING is/was the trending song, unless you mean the general trend of learning English.

>> No.1497230

Toronto is in Kanata

>> No.1497360

>>1497091
More like she and her co workers are copying and mimicking each other

>> No.1497387

>>1497360
They are manipulating the algorithm.

>> No.1497430

>>1497387
To what end? Stealing Uto and Pochi's viewers? That doesn't seem worth it

>> No.1497462

>>1497091
They've plateau'd on Japanese viewers and they predict there's not much expansion happening there. They have to reach out to oversea viewers if they want to maintain growth.

>> No.1497485

>>1497230
Nah it's a separate country, fuck em and fuck drake
T. Torontonian

>> No.1497494

>>1497430
>stealing
The fuck are you talking about how do you steal viewers this isn't cable TV. If everyone plays the same game at the same time it gets boosted in youtubes system. It is like casting out a giant net.

>> No.1497546 [DELETED] 

>Playing a game that "teaches english"
Lol, they're having fun with it so they can interact with EN branches. Only a few holos actually give a fuck about learning english

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1497565

Her design is alright but I think Polka could use a few more hair accessories

>> No.1497574

YOUR ROOM
SMOL SMOL!!

>> No.1497594

>>1497574
Her insulting is very funny, my bed is queen size, your bed SINGLE!

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1497626

This bird is going to fuck every single holo.

>> No.1497628

>>1497546
>Only a few holos actually give a fuck about learning english

Which ones?

>> No.1497690

>>1497628
Noel and Luna have been using Duolingo
I think Azki has been using it
Marine said she was getting professional lessons, though she may have dropped that

>> No.1497736

>>1497091
Is this the Polka thread?

>> No.1497778

>>1497690
Marine is def as serious as she can be i think her improvement over the last year has been really big

>> No.1497809

>>1497628
>>1497690
Only one I know of who ISN'T using duolingo on stream is sora.

>> No.1497841

>>1497809
So just Sora then?

>> No.1497846

>>1497628
Sora is self-teaching it with help from A-Chan. Marine has enrolled in classes for it rather than doing the Duolingo meme, everyone else is using Duolingo.

>> No.1497878

>*Moans* Oh... Canada is big
Polka?

>> No.1497880

These polka noises are awakening something in me

>> No.1497898 [DELETED] 

>>1497628
Marine and Korone are confirmed learning from tutors, but Marine is basically PR girl now from what I hear so it makes sense.

>> No.1497905

>>1497841
Sora has a higher base than the majority since she lived in a US military base up until age 5 where she used English every day

>> No.1497920

>>1497880
Canada is big...

>> No.1497935

>>1497880
It's what she does best

>> No.1497942

Daddy <3

>> No.1498009

>>1497565
this but unironically

>> No.1498033
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1498033

GANBARE PORUKA-CHAN

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>> No.1498069

oh no ai daria killed her

>> No.1498105

Dualingo permission was granted so no wonder everyone is doing it

>> No.1498155

Caowfee

>> No.1498159

>>1497905
You wouldn't know it from watching her English Study streams.
>Chat: Do you like pineapple on your pizza?
>Sora spends 8-10 minutes mumbling in Nihongo and rifling through books
>Sora: Y-Yes?

>> No.1498160

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTkfSH8kGNs

>> No.1498197

>>1497628
Definitely not Towa. She doesn't give a shit about English despite half of her audience being EOPs

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https://files.catbox.moe/6v313i.mp4

>> No.1498220

This duolingo bullshit is not gonna cut it for me. Where are the burger eating ASMRs?

>> No.1498268

>SMALL! BIG! SMALL! BIG!

>> No.1498270

>>1498197
she realized the mistake of interacting with EOPs and EOPs after that time she entered the Towa fan server

>> No.1498296

>>1498212
I want to cum on this clown's back.

>> No.1498301

>>1498270
If she hated it that much she wouldn't have talked with them more than an hour...

>> No.1498354

How does Aki, who doesn't seem to be doing any particular studying with professionals, dictionaries, duolingo, or whatever, seem to be so much better at english than any of these girls?

Is she just a super genius?

>> No.1498394

>>1498354
Maybe because she took her uni eigo reps seriously?

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>>1498354
She's half elf, she's had plenty of time to learn

>> No.1498441

I don't even know if Korone is studying anymore. She seems to be interacting with her international audience less and less (and that's a good thing)

>> No.1498459

>>1498354
Because she interacts with the language more frequently, probably. A huge part of learning a language is.. actually using it.

>> No.1498532

>>1498413
superior elf genes

>> No.1498558

>>1498441
It would be a shame if Korone stops learning English because her pronunciation is the best.

>> No.1498577

>>1497690
>though she may have dropped that
just having trouble with different tutors on every lesson. Making good progress tho

>>1497546
I would be worried if they learned new language for the sake of viewers.
Being fluent in English isn't common in JP, it's not a wasted skill to learn.

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>>1498354
There aren’t enough hours in the day to describe Aki’s English skills.

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1498616

Hololive aren't the only ones going for those EOP bucks

>> No.1498740

>>1498616
>Uto does duolingo
>Makes tons of money
>Hololive does duolingo
>Makes tons of money
>Tomoshika does duolingo and gives her chat sexual favors
>Makes tons of money
>Hoshikawa does duolingo
>....

What went wrong?

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1498784

>>1497626
DO YOUR REPS

>> No.1498826

>>1498740
Hoshikawa is what went wrong. They should've used someone popular with EOPs like Lulu or Ars

>> No.1498860

WE CAN`T SCAPE FROM HINATA-SAMA

>> No.1498868

>>1498826
>They should've used someone popular with EOPs like Lulu or Ars
agreed but Lulu is kill and Ars has her Apex addiction to manage so she has no time for reps

>> No.1498906

>>1498740
It doesn't really look like Tomoshika ever made "tons" of money from it. She got a couple of streams where she made $600-800.

>> No.1498908

>>1498826
>>1498740
Hoshikawa was already pretty fluent in English so they probably thought they'd cut the middle man.

>> No.1498920

>>1498906
That's triple what hoshikawa made

>> No.1498947

>>1498920
And its not tons of money.

>> No.1498954

>>1498906
And some pretty loyal viewers, myself included.

>>1498920
To be fair, Hoshikawa's probably not too worried about money from supa

>> No.1498962

>>1497091
seething

>> No.1498966

>>1498740
what happened with Hoshikawa

>> No.1498978

>>1497565
like my cum

>> No.1498979

>>1498966
She did a duolingo stream too, but didn't really get any EOP superchats at all.

In fairness, she went head to head with Uto, Noel, Pochi, and Coco, but still.

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>>1498354
>How does Aki, who doesn't seem to be doing any particular studying with professionals, dictionaries, duolingo, or whatever, seem to be so much better at english than any of these girls?

That's Aki at max strength kind of like Professor Hulk, brains and brawn dangerous combination

>> No.1499004

>>1498296
I want to cum in her womb and raise a child with her.

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1499011

I'm surprise Miko haven't done any English study stream yet. Botb nips and EOP love that a lot.

>> No.1499039

>>1498966
Ichikara is panicking for the future of NijiEN and is trying to get EOP at any costs, even forcing Hoshikawa to make a duolingo stream but they are still not getting EOPs

>> No.1499044

>>1498740
>What went wrong?
Ichikara

>> No.1499067

>>1499011
I think Noel probably pushed for permissions since she's been going at it seriously and roboco just picked it back up since she was doing it before, and for all the rest it's just been a suggestion from their manager.

Miko's pretty successful unlike Polka or Luna, so no reason to suggest she start doing duo lingo streams

>> No.1499089

>>1498966
Not much. Her EN streams haven't taken off as much in comparison to talents like Uto or some of the HoloJP EN streams.
Mostly because no one knows who she is outside of Japan. The average global fan who got in through HololiveEN specifically might know her from a stray Matsuri clip or something. Beyond that the first few EN streams she did was clearly just for fun because she repeatedly streamed them at a time where burgers were heading to bed or already asleep, and euros were just waking up. Pretty garbage time for a pandering stream.
I know the other day she actually picked a good time for burgers but at that point people interested in that were flocking to her competition which had started streaming at those hours before her. The other day we had like, three or four HoloJP EN streams on at the same time. I think Uto was on then as well.

>> No.1499101

>>1499039
I think the funniest thing he's done on that front is hiring "reactors" on youtube to react to niji content.

>> No.1499108

>>1498920
It really doesn't seem like that huge a difference if you do like for like comparison. First English learning stream Hoshikawa did 32,984 yen first one Tomoshika did 28,257 yenn.

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1499131

Polka's English impression is the funniest in my opinion.

>> No.1499137

>>1499101
is that confirmed because that's pathetic

>> No.1499141

>>1499131
I want her to make fun of my accent

>> No.1499193

>>1499137
What is pathetic about that? Do you think its pathetic when companies pay Hololive members to play games? They want EOPs to know who they are for NijiEN so they ask people who EOPs watch to introduce the content to the relevant audience?

>> No.1499200

>>1499101
>Source: my ass.

>> No.1499216

>>1497628
At the very least Korone, she's a big weastaboo.

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1499223

Why do people spam the correct answer in these streams?

>> No.1499249

>>1499223
It is said that there is three constants on our plantet: taxes, death, and backseaters

>> No.1499252

>>1499137
>>1499193
Hey guys, we, HoloEN members, are totally into Shadowverse and/or Priconne, buy Shadowverse and/or Priconne today!!

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1499273

This is happening to your oshi right now.

>> No.1499294

>>1499223
Vtubers are more likely to learn from interacting with their chat than actually using Duolingo.

>> No.1499318

>>1499252
It might not have worked for you but it gave a pretty big buff to Pricunny's EN release. Would have been even bigger if they did a proper collaboration.

>> No.1499407

>>1499252
It's kind of confusing to me why people would think trying to do some basic marketing in a region you intend to launch your product in is pathetic. Isn't that competence? If anything was pathetic I would say it was changing the name of a branch to EN and hoping people would show up.

>> No.1499410

If you move from just the Holo's, you'll see a bunch of japanese vtubers learning Spanish from Duolingo. Yes, there's also problems with the program when it comes to teaching spanish. I've seen it go full spanglish at times on these streams. Are all mobile language programs a scam, or just Duolingo?

>> No.1499438

polka asking if you like pizza just made my heart skip a beat

>> No.1499463

>>1497091
It's just a Duolingo promotion. They're not going to actually learn English.

>> No.1499494

>>1499410
>you'll see a bunch of japanese vtubers learning Spanish from Duolingo

How? Duolingo doesn't support japanese > spanish to my knowledge, only japanese > english and japanese > chinese

>> No.1499531

What if everyone is polka?

>> No.1499535

>>1499200
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZqCn3W3OFo

>> No.1499574

>>1499535
are we Puerto Ricans just a joke, I wonder?

>> No.1499629
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1499629

They're literally taking the burgers out of my children's mouths. Why isn't the government doing something about this?

>> No.1499652

And they say hololive lives rent free in nijifag heads, it seems to be the opposite

>> No.1499678

>>1499535
There isn't any indication that it's paid promotion so I would assume when he says asked he means asked. So basically they are contacting these people and suggesting they might want to look at their content.

>> No.1499694

>>1499535
Before I watch that, and I will, does the vid have proof he's being paid to do this? And why is that a bad thing, anyways?

>> No.1499719

This is the problem with Duolingo and multiple-choice tests in general isn't it? Since the answer is already there, you're really just spending your time doing process of elimination, instead of learning properly.

>> No.1499729

Lucky Hinata

>> No.1499727

>>1499652
It's a classic case of projection.

>> No.1499818

Grammar is the gatekeeper of languages

>> No.1499830

>>1499193
It's pathetic because "reactions" are the worst content ever and officially supporting that shit is a sign of desperation. I could forgive it from a dumb talent promoting themselves, but from management it's a little much.

>> No.1499832

>>1497905
she obviously hasn't used it enough to possibly even forget a bunch of things.

>> No.1499862

>>1499407
It's niji cope

>> No.1499956
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1499956

Big reason why Japanese vs English can be difficult. Otherwise, it's the kanji.

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>>1499956
>chat telling her the answers

>> No.1500094

>Polka getting mind broken by English grammar

>> No.1500101

>>1500041
Yea, that is sabotaging the whole process. Then again, she needs to not look at chat.

>> No.1500106

>>1499830
From what I have seen it doesn't even look like paid advertising. Either that or the people they are paying are all breaking the law by not indicating that it is clearly.

>> No.1500116

>>1499956
To an extent. But JPs still have easy mode turned on since they can just read all the english they want (as in they can at least make an attempt at pronouncing it). With Kanji you either know it or you don't.

>> No.1500199

Polka is a dirty cheater.

>> No.1500213

Let (spits) go home

>> No.1500230

>>1499956
she literally did english words with japanese grammar

>> No.1500295

This is the most entertaining duolingo stream so far. Sasuga, Polka.

>> No.1500299

Does Duolingo go straight into contractions before introducing the nouns/pronouns/verbs individually? 'Let's' makes no sense to teach before explaining how it's a combination of 'Let' and 'Us'.

>> No.1500327

>>1500230
Duolingo does not teach grammar, unfortunatey

>> No.1500377

>>1500299
Duolingo goes straight into usage, without explaining anything

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>>1500106
>the people they are paying are all breaking the law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU

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>>1500299
>How it's a combination of 'Let' and 'Us'.

>> No.1500458

>>1498979
She's too late to the EOP game, everyone already either went with Uto or the Holos

>> No.1500490

Polka supporting Gura.

Very nice

>> No.1500543

wait what did she say about 6pm? I wasnt paying attention

>> No.1500544

>>1500327
I found it funny mainly because when I first started studying Japanese and wasn't used to the grammar I always used to think "why do they all sound like cavemen?" and its because I was doing more or less exactly what she did in my head.

>> No.1500566

>>1500543
HoloGra episode

>> No.1500605

Polka made more from this stream than any other non-commemorative stream in the last few months...

>> No.1500610

>>1500415
uh, are you saying he's wrong?

>> No.1500644

>>1500295
yes, it was a very cute stream

>> No.1500654

>>1500415
Hello ESL

>> No.1500665

>>1500415
Do your English reps

>> No.1500697

>>1500610
If you do your research I think you will find it is actually a contraction of "lettuce", but thinking it is a combination of Let and Us is a common misconception.

>> No.1500871

>>1498578
I don't know how did I manage to understand that. She's just that good.

>> No.1500906

>Polka's border covers the top of the app, can't see what name she's using so I can add her with Roboco,Pochi and Noel

>> No.1500972

>>1497091
I wish they used an app that wasn't a meme and could actually have some good lasting effects.

>> No.1501017

>>1500415
do you are have stupi?d

>> No.1501029

>>1500972
Like which one?

>> No.1501082

>>1501029
I'm not a native Japanese speaker trying to learn Eigo, anon, but I'm certain better alternatives exist. Just like they do for learning Japanese as an EOP/ESL.

>> No.1501104

>>1501029
I don't know about JP>EN but there are some for EN>JP that are actually useful, but they are mostly just anki but feature limited for people who are too incompetent technology.

>> No.1501191

>>1501082
swing those en>jp alternative apps anon

>> No.1501414

>>1501191
After looking through recommendations and reviews, I ended up using nativshark as the main app and kanjistudy, ankidroid and bunpro on the side.

>> No.1501493

>>1501414
Thank you. I'll check them all out.

>> No.1501744

>>1499004
I want to cum in her womb and have you raise my child with her.

>> No.1501990

>>1499694
Not a bad thing per se, but you wanted proof of Niji scraping the bottom of the barrel. There you are.

>> No.1502158

>>1501744
i want to cum in your womb and have her raise our child

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>>1500299
>'Let's' makes no sense to teach before explaining how it's a combination of 'Let' and 'Us'.
i-it is?

>> No.1502249

>>1502176
Were other ESLs not taught that?

>> No.1502301

>>1502176
>>1500415
I hope this is a joke.

>> No.1502348

>>1498740
>What went wrong?
She decided to stream against Pochi drawing Calli and Noel's english stream, that's what went wrong.

>> No.1502377

>>1498740
we know Hoshikawa has fluent in English alreary.

What is the point to see someone fluent learn English?

They should choose Lulu

>> No.1502453

>>1502176
Obviously not, stop falling for it.

>> No.1502456

>>1502249
I don't think so. I never paid much attention to grammar during English lessons though, it's all on autopilot. Once you get proficient enough with English your brain just does shit automatically without thinking.
I can write an entire book in perfect English, but it's all over for me as soon as you ask me to write a single sentence in Past Continuous.

>> No.1502501

>>1499089
Not true

Hoshikawa is one of well known of 2434 for EOPs because she is friend with Haachama and Festival.

If EOPs not see her that mean something serious and I think about Aloe incident

Reddits never forgive who harrassed Aloe to gratidute ever since then and they blame Nijifag about it

>> No.1502503

>>1502348
I don't think it was on purpose, I just think she streams when she needs a break from all the foreigners and homeless men and Kanae running a train on her.

>> No.1502608

>>1502176
What's your age and native language? Just for reference

>> No.1502628

>>1502377
I actually enjoyed watching Ina yesterday. Being able to see non-trivial questions feels fresh, and it's generally more interesting to watch something streamer doing something she is good at, until it's Polka.

>> No.1502733

>>1498740
uto and hololive were both already popular overseas so of course they made more money

tomo got attention because of coomer meme, while hskw streamed at like 3am EST and is already proficient in english so it wasnt really that interesting to watch

plus nijisanji is really niche overseas because of an abundance of content and a lack of translations its inaccessible to most eops

>> No.1502847

>>1502628

" good" and" fluent " are different anon

We can enjoy Ina Jp learn because she can better than now

But " fluent " .... it is different

not all of EOPs are fluent in English

2434 should tell Hoshikawa does " teaching English stream" not learning

>> No.1502899

>>1502608
22 polish
Level C1 while knowing no grammar whatsoever kek. And people say video games are just a waste of time.

>> No.1502996

>>1502733

Totally wrong here

Nijisanji always more famous than Uto
Tensimp should stop this nonsense.

Overseas know 2434 for very long time like Maimoto ( from Subaru) , Hoshikawa ( Haachama, Festival and Luna) , Jaika ( Holostars) and etc.

We know about 2434 existance already

Ok?

>> No.1503119

>>1502176
>i-it is?
Just to make English more fun there is also lets which sounds exactly like let's.

>> No.1503134

>>1502996
Literally who?

>> No.1503389

>>1503134
Lurk more

>> No.1503495

I feel Uto is boring lately

>> No.1503614

>>1502176
Let's unpack this.

>> No.1504618

>cheques
wtf bong, speak English, it's checks. Also Biden-cuck hasn't stimulated my bank account yet, so fuck that fgt.

>> No.1504926

KORONE-CHAN MY STIMULUS CHECK GOT HERE LET'S GOOOOOOOOO

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>>1502996

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>>1503134
A white supremacist vtuber

>> No.1505357

>>1502176
>just tried to differentiate Let's and Lets for ESL-kuns and realized I don't know the tense of Lets
I guess I learned my own language through osmosis as well. God my school was shit.

>> No.1505722

>>1505143

Yes , I am ESL and JTL and MFL

>> No.1505725

>>1498920
The only people who care about this are retarded eops. Sara receives money from voice packs and merchandise, retard.

>> No.1505835

>>1505725
Even ESLs do not care anon

Only chinks care

>> No.1505971

I don't get this, how people in their 20s don't know basic english in japan?

>> No.1506009

>>1499039
Panicking for the future of NijiEN is giving marketing, that's it.

>> No.1506082

>>1498826
Hoshikawa is one of the most known Nijisanji, retard.

>> No.1506364

>>1497230
Fuck Kanata

>> No.1506680

>>1505971
They don't speak English in Japan, so even if they learned a bit in school, the knowledge would go away fast

>> No.1507246

>>1498270
Oh yeah does anyone still have a link to that interaction? The streamlab and youtube link I had got deleted

>> No.1507800

>>1505722
Maybe you should try properly learning one language first before moving to the next.

>> No.1507831

>>1505971
You had Spanish and French classes in high school didn't you? How much of that shit do you remember now?

>> No.1507968

>>1507831
It's the reverse I had english at school and here I am shitposting with other ESL something japs could never do

>> No.1509187

>>1507968
They have no real reason to study English and you have all the reasons to do it. It's also infinitely easier to learn English if your primary language is based on Latin.
Their English classes in school suck so much they have to import English teachers from abroad, but that only gets them so far since nobody really cares that much about learning the language in the first place, which produces an infinite feedback loop. That's not even mentioning the elephant in the room, which is the abomination of their writing system. Katakana completely fucks over what little English they take out from class.

>> No.1510203

>>1509187
>Katakana completely fucks over what little English they take out from class.
i'd be interested in hearing more about this. if they're just writing out the 'sound' of a given english word or sentence, is the problem that the phonetics of english don't map well to katakana?

>> No.1510581

>>1499011
Miko's English will never improve. She gets more real practice reading english SCs than she'd get out of the shitty owl anyway

>> No.1510662

We should have just forced English on the nipponjins at gunpoint when we still had the chance. It would be better for everybody.

>> No.1510935

>>1510203
They can't pronounce consonants without adding a vowel. And they can't even pronounce the letter L, hence the Engrish jokes.

>> No.1511013

>>1510203
>Level
>レベル(reberu)
You tell me what's wrong. You've got Japanese teaching you the bastardized pronunciation of English and English teaching you the actual pronunciation all at once. Some words don't even sound similar. It's easy for them to default to katakana, since they're more familiar with it. Even if a Japanese person manages to learn English, he's going to be too embarrassed to speak.

>> No.1511051

>consistent trend of Holos jumping on the latest permissions bandwagon

>> No.1511071

>>1497091
I honestly think that the recent hololingo craze is caused by Cover finalizing holoEN's nip tour schedule. In a month or two, Gura is coming to Japan

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>>1511051
Obviously if you get permissions to play a different game you wouldn't keep streaming fucking ark

>> No.1511159

>>1497690
Marine fucked up by getting a French guy to teach her English

>> No.1511495

>>1511013
This is why alphabets remain the Chad of writing systems, as they're extremely adaptive to any possible sound that the human mouth can make.

>> No.1511557

>>1511495
>alphabets remain the Chad of writing systems
>gh
>makes an f sound
?

>> No.1511591

>>1511557
not the alphabetical system's fault

>> No.1511711

>>1511071
>Japan letting foreigners in before the Olympics
Big grass

>> No.1511744

>>1511495
The real reason is that they allow you to unambiguously encode any word of arbitrary length using only 2-3 dozen characters. The limited phonology in Japanese is really a separate issue from the writing system.

>>1511557
Are you retarded?

>> No.1511776

>>1511744
>Are you retarded?
>"enough"
>gh
>f sound
are you?

>> No.1511846

>>1511776
my native language doesn't have this problem :^)

>> No.1511847

>>1511557
I miss "þorn". I wish it would come back and replace "th" again

>> No.1511988

>>1511846
think we might have found the actual chad language here

>> No.1512038

>>1511776
I know what you meant, obviously. You could have used 'trough' as an example too. You're retarded because that has nothing to do with the writing system. In the first place, letters or groups of letters themselves do not form sounds. The sounds exist in human language before the writing system. The written form is an encoding that tells your brain what the word is, you know the pronunciation from using the word in speech. For unfamiliar words, the written form should give you a rough idea of how to pronounce based on existing patterns it but you won't know for sure without hearing it spoken out loud. This is how kanji works too, except they need thousands of characters what we accomplish with a couple dozen.

>> No.1512555

>>1511988
pronouncing "gh" in my slav language would produce a sound you'd make right before choking to death.
is that chad enough?

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>>1512555

>> No.1515061

>>1509187
>They have no real reason to study English and you have all the reasons to do it.

This but 100 times, the reason why SEAnigs have better english even though their language is as removed from English than Japanese is and they have a shittier school system is because SEAnigs actually watch stuff from outside their country. Japanese otaku spend all their life on gundams and akb48 while watching variety shows on tv

>> No.1515392

What would be an engaging way to stream English practice that's better than freaking Duolingo?

>> No.1515408

>>1499039
I think it's already too late. The vtuber fad has passed by and anyone who isn't interested in Hololive will go watch Vshojo instead since it caters to Twitch culture, Nijisanji didn't strike the iron when it was hot.

>> No.1515497

>>1515408
The lockdown is almost over and they're already losing steam, all cover has to do is fuck up gen 2 or have one of the ENs commit a taiwan level yab and niji could get a comfortable foothold with the weeb audience

>> No.1516185

>>1515392
Talking to your viewers in English.

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>>1498784
it's time you learned your place, owl

>> No.1517843 [DELETED] 

>>1498354
She has her white American husband to practice with.

>> No.1517943

>>1511847
that's what happens when your language has a pretty unique sound and a letter specifically for it but you ordered all your printing presses from mainland europe

>> No.1518576

>>1515497
>taiwan level yab
What would a Taiwan level yab even look like? Holocaust denial?

>> No.1518614

>>1518576
Making a firm statement on either political side at this point, drama hounds have been on edge since EN debut

>> No.1521875

>>1518614
Placing my bet on Kiara.

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>>1511847
BASED þorn addict

>> No.1525408

>>1499818
grammar isn't as bad as memorizing words for me

>> No.1525589

>>1498354
because she's Jewish

>> No.1525691

>>1497628
If you count Holostars, Aruran has been learning English from his viewers while also teaching them Japanese. He tried using Duolingo but said that the English lesson is too easy and it's a bad app to learn Japanese.

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>>1500106
>>1499101
>>1498966
Its pretty funny how these react channels shill Nijisanji and then go back to Hololive content in their next videos. Seems like Niji plans to do more with the react channels in the future.
https://youtu.be/O5_yLcTqa9Y?t=13

>> No.1525900

>>1511495
Hangul is the chad of writing systems. Easy to learn, tells you exactly how to pronounce the words, no second guessing or exceptions. No shitty ancient runes. As Lord Todd would say "It just works"

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>>1515392
#1 is to get a study partner who is already a native speaker of the language you're trying to learn. The HoloENs should be trying to help them learn and improve together, and maybe even try learning some Japanese on their own.
Of course this requires an intermediary, as well. So only someone like Kiara, Ina, or Mori could do this initially.

Mori could be a great study partner because she has most of the basics down, but needs the fine tuning that only a native speaker can give her. Likewise she could help people like Noel and Polka learn the basics of English while they teach her the fine details of Japanese. It would be completely symbiotic and these sessions would probably be extremely cute to watch them both struggle over languages.

This would require them to get over their autism of sounding awkward and embarrassed in front of each other, though.

>> No.1526056

>>1525900
He's right. I'm sure you Nippon obsessed weebs think everything Korean is trash but Hangul is probably the best writing system devised.

>> No.1526481

>>1525921
>Mori could be a great study partner because she has most of the basics down, but needs the fine tuning that only a native speaker can give her. Likewise she could help people like Noel and Polka learn the basics of English while they teach her the fine details of Japanese. It would be completely symbiotic and these sessions would probably be extremely cute to watch them both struggle over

that shit is literally a noobs notion. coco taught luna auxiliary verbs in one of the proper ways of understanding english grammar in this video. not the boob shit but the hierarchical systematization. both mori and jp members have to learn the systems of the languages first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFD8aOqnt9A&ab_channel=%E3%83%9B%E3%83%AD%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%96%E9%80%9F%E5%A0%B1

although should = はず could = ありうる are the better translations. also can depends on a context, might = かもしれない is better.

if mori collabs with some jp member they should just endlessly do very casual zatsudan shit and mutually teach each other some slang or funny shit in english and japanese. she has yet to be able to be a great partner.

>> No.1526539

>>1526481
>if mori collabs with some jp member they should just endlessly do very casual zatsudan shit and mutually teach each other some slang or funny shit in english and japanese.
Sounds like great video content.

>she has yet to be able to be a great partner.
If it's what you described for a few hours every day; then I disagree. Sounds like she would be a great partner.

>> No.1526857

>>1525921
I disagree Mori would be a good study partner because it would require Mori to essentially do her day job with holo talents, which while I love them, have you seen how absolutely stupid 99% of the holo talents are? They aren't like the dedicated cram school students Mori teaches. I see Mori losing her patience very quickly.

>> No.1526945

>>1526539
>If it's what you described for a few hours every day; then I disagree. Sounds like she would be a great partner.

awkward collabs are just painful. it cant be a series. the only ones in holo who can keep it going as a series are coco and kiara. also morri has another barrier. cultural barrier. its super hard to make a joke/banter without understanding cultural norms and standards.

>> No.1526995

>>1526945
>awkward collabs are just painful.
It depends on what they're awkward over. If it's someone getting salty at a game, that's no fun. If it's someone trying and failing to speak a language, that's fun.
Source: Noel viewership and sub counts after she started her duolingo streams.

>> No.1527014

>>1526857
That's right, I forgot she's already an english teacher.

>> No.1527069

>>1527014
>>1526945
Maybe if English teachers in Japan weren't just human tape recorders.

>> No.1527279

>>1526995
>Source: Noel viewership and sub counts after she started her duolingo streams.

the eops just enjoy a jp girl being cute and insecure with their native language like their pet. none of them are gonna learn japanese. this isnt a "cultural change".

>> No.1527306

>>1527279
>change
*exchange

>> No.1527340

>>1497091
it's not just Hololive, Duolingo is a new FOTM for other agencies and indies too
>>1499719
more or less
>>1518576
someone calling another EN the gamer word in anger

>> No.1527471

>>1527279
>the eops just enjoy a jp girl being cute and insecure with their native language like their pet
This works both ways, you know.

>> No.1528412

>>1527279
>the eops just enjoy a jp girl being cute and insecure with their native language like their pet
This is projecting, the eops liked watching a cute girl trying to learn their native language. idk why you would think that they thought of her as their 'pet'.

It sounds like you have a disdain for anyone trying to learn a new language.

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