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Confess your sins /vt/

>> No.1487846

I only started learning hiragana two days ago

>> No.1487885

I don't watch my oshi's stream cause she streams only APEX and nothing else.

>> No.1487902

i support all rrats no matter how schizo they are

>> No.1488059

>>1487775
I've started and still make OPs of generals for multiple holos I don't even watch because global is a fucking trashfire of a thread and I want it to die

>> No.1488209

>>1487775
https://youtu.be/11KOoycFnEY

>> No.1488218 [DELETED] 

I LARP as an anti in every single thread that I find, post fake dox and use burner accounts to DM death threats to random indie vtubers.
I don't even dislike any of them, I'm just bored.

>> No.1488330
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>>1488218
>use burner accounts to DM death threats to random indie vtubers
What the fuck anon

>> No.1488386

>>1487775
I subscribed every Holo and Homo, and only watch the low views ones to help them. I feel like it's just a pity view but I want everyone to succeed

>> No.1488424
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>>1487846
Not bad
>>1487885
>>1488059
Understandable
>>1487902
>>1488209
>>1488218
-_-

>> No.1488458

>>1487775
The highest SC I've given was to Kiara

>> No.1488467 [DELETED] 

>>1488330
you'd be surprised how little twitter tries to stop me from churning out new accounts

>> No.1488471

I send death threat to small indies for fun

>> No.1488527

I doxxed one schizo that was spitting shit about my oshi

>> No.1488579

>>1488527
Who ?

>> No.1488596
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>>1487775
I masturbated once to holos porn. I feel fucking dirty man. I hate it

>> No.1488617 [DELETED] 

>>1488579
You

>> No.1488634

I WANT TO FUCK KANATA

>> No.1488655

>>1487885
It's rough being a Kenzoku...

>> No.1488668

>>1488634
Get out

>> No.1488710

>>1488579
Can't say because I don't want to accidentally doxx myself lmao my oshi is Coco if that helps

>> No.1488735
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>>1488617
FUG

>> No.1488748 [DELETED] 

>>1488634
Coco, go to sleep.

>> No.1488782
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>>1488634
>>1488748

>> No.1488815

>>1488782
Sweet edit

>> No.1489038

>>1488710
>my oshi is Coco
Based mane, hope you doxed a chinese dog and not just some dude that dislikes coco

>> No.1489055
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1489055

I've been in a depressive spiral for the last few weeks and Haachama going on hiatus made has pushed me from that to suicidal thoughts.

>> No.1489124
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>>1489038
Thanks and don't worry anon, doxxing random dudes is useless

>> No.1489193

I post on hlgg because rrats and being aware of everything happening in hololive provide more entertainment than most of the streams. Havent watched kiara, mori or gura for at least a month.

>> No.1489218

I feel ENVY because 20-something y.o. girls are making millions of yen per day just for sitting, playing games and being retarded, while I'm useless piece of shit nobody cares about and it will stay that way no matter whether I work on myself or not, regardless of circumstances or effort I put in.
I used to have a job related to cancer treatment, so I was saving lives, albeit indirectly, and my salary was equivalent to 3 akasupas per month. A hologirl can get that much literally in a matter of seconds. So at least a few human lives cost less than couple of hours of questionable entertainment. I lost motivation to do anything, so my second sin is ACEDIA, or Apathy/Sloth.
I was numberfagging for a few months checking their income from superchats. So, GREED.
I actually more satisfied by the fact that some of them have serious health problems, it makes me believe in just world because that way they deserved they success as a compensation for their shitty lives. But then I remember that there are hundreds of indies who are potentially more talented and their lives are even shittier and they're getting jack shit because of how much big companies control the market. Most successful vtubers owe everything to the company and their biggest achievement was to pass auditions, after that they're getting free pass and 1 mil+ viewer base.
I actually wished some chuubas to die, because I either dislike them, their fanbase, or think that they're bad influence to the scene as a whole, or they didn't deserve their success. WRATH.
Need I say anything about LUST?
So, 5/7 deadly sins. Will you forgive me, Kanata-sama?

>> No.1489245

I like to bully Matsurisu and their spergouts actually motivate me to shitpost about her even more

>> No.1489258

>>1489055
Just thing that if you kys you won't be there for her comeback

>> No.1489323
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>>1489218
Anon this is the first time that I use this pic for real and not for shitposting

>> No.1489355

I only watch vtubers through streamlink

>> No.1489411

>>1487775
I don't watch streams because I find most of them kind of boring and only keep up with clips. I also gave up reps like 3 years ago and have given up on communicating with Japanese people.

>> No.1489412

>>1488596
>once
Lmao, some literally asked for porn, wtf

>> No.1489518

>>1488596
if you think vtubers didn't know people would jerk to them before they even started you are delusional.

>> No.1489529

I browse r/hololive regularly

>> No.1489556

>>1489529
The worst sin of all
I know because I'm the same fucking god make it stop aaaaaa

>> No.1489682

I was hoping Aloe will never come back in any shape or form, not because I hated her, but I wanted aloefags to feel regret for the rest of their lives.

>> No.1489729

>>1489556
at least some of the talents post there these days

>> No.1489748

I am fully aware that virtual avatars are a trend that will further human selfishness and apathy towards our fellow man but i can't stop watching clips.

>> No.1489829

>>1489682
Have you switched to Monoefags now?

>> No.1489831

I love Matsuri a lot but I think her casual way of flirting with dudes and ber fans makes me sick. The whole gfe thing makes me want to call her a slut but I everytime she does her stupid cutesy voice I stop hatin her. I hate myself.

>> No.1489838

I'm hating people I see in chat often without any reason, even if they behave properly. I'm blocking them, but I'm still seeing them on screen. I don't know who they are, they did nothing wrong that I can point out, but when I see same nickname dozen of times, I want them to fuck off.

>> No.1489864

>>1489218
If you are truly repentant anon, stop watching vtuubas and turn to a Christian life.

>> No.1489896

I avoid watching Suisei too much because I'm afraid I will get addicted. She's too real.

>> No.1489906

I turned 30 and my family worries about me and my well being. They know that I'm single and my job prospects aren't as great as my other cousins and even nephews. My family gets upset when I tell her I have more of a connection with other vtubers on the net than I would with my coworkers, friends, and them. I can't help but feel attached to these characters when I watch clips or discuss them on /vt/. I don't have friends anymore. Hololive are my friends now.

>> No.1489955

I searched for my oshi's roommate and have been watching some of her old videos.

>> No.1489958

>>1489829
No, Monoefags deserved their oshi back.

>> No.1490059
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>>1489831
Damn Lyger that's tough, I recommend meds.

>> No.1490060

>>1489906
What the fuck are we supposed to do when we don't have friends after being 30? Like, I haven't had friends I talk to outside of work for like 5 years now. I know this isn't the place for this shit but from a practical standpoint I don't know where you even meet people in person with interactions seeming artificial or based on a limited context of having to work together.

>> No.1490061

I was trying to check previous names of indie's Minecraft account to potentially doxx her. There was an old name but it was too generic to lead to anything specific.

>> No.1490158

>>1490060
Find a hobby and make friends who share that hobby. Doesn't matter what it is. If you like games, trying chatting and adding people after you play with them. If you like sports, sign up for some sort of local club. That sort of thing.

>> No.1490180

>>1490060
>>1489906
Maybe make a coworker your gf and become friends of her friends

>> No.1490189

>>1490060
there are literally apps that are tinder for friends where you make a profile and list your hobbies

one that comes to mind is bumble

>> No.1490210

I'm gonna use my Biden bucks to commission a Live2D model instead of paying my rent. My landlord can't evict me because the moratorium was extended. Fuck landlords anyway.

>> No.1490358

>>1487775
I fish for (you) posting shifty takes, I never watched Kiara but still post both positive and negative takes on her and watch the trigged (you) roll in
but the worst sin of all? I spoon feed the newbies instead of telling them to do their own work

>> No.1490452

I'm ESL.

>> No.1490599

>>1488218
You're a hero

>> No.1490666

>>1490060

I'm not really sure anon. I have had my fair share of friends and some relationships for the past 10 years. But somewhere in between, I came back to the net and I never recovered from my addiction. I never faced my personal problems and ended up double downing my habits because of it. The only way that I feel you can make friends are through the net (social media) and go to offline meets. This method has its issues too. I've accepted my situation and spend my time on Hololive activities. Its the only thing I can really do now. I hope you find a way out or accept what is coming.

>> No.1490711

I still come back to lurk this site even though It has shown me things I didn't want to see

>> No.1490864 [DELETED] 

>>1487775
i doxed, raped and murdered an indie after her debut
also i unironically had a one night stand with mocca's roommate

>> No.1490908 [DELETED] 

>>1487775
-I love rrats and i love reading them, sometimes even more than watching the actual streams
-When a vtuber plays up the yuri angle i stop watching them because im a bigot
-i actively seek out GFE content
-i hate purityfags but i can understand where they are coming from
-i wanna go to japan and pay an escort to roleplay as a holo for me, maybe pekora or korone, haven't decided yet
-even tho i said im a bigot and i dont like yuroshit i can't stop watching Kiara streams, please help me
-the reason i wouldn't pay an escort to roleplay as kiara even tho i wacth her is because i feel it would be insulting to kiara
-i don't think nyanners or snuffy are funny
That's all i can think of for now

>> No.1491055

I'm out guys. This thread just makes me feel sad. Going to go back to watching the eternal table fight.

>> No.1491124
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I have been a Hoshiyomi for almost a year but I never watch a single Mspe and concerts.

>> No.1491185

>>1488059
Does that include EN chuubas?

>> No.1491214

I’m already over 40 and still watching Hololive.
I was even about to ask my younger coworker if he knew it. It was close.

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>>1491055
>This thread just makes me feel sad.
I feel a lot better after reading through this thread, actually. It almost makes me feel like there's hope for me.

>> No.1491335

>>1489529
>>1489556
I used to, and the only way to stop it is by getting your account banned by testing Reddit's limit. I'm not talking about getting banned by Holosub mid, I'm talking about getting banned by Reddit itself.

>> No.1491353

>>1489055
Same anonchama, I didn't realize how much haachama meant to me until she was gone. I wasn't that into her back at the chink suspension so I've never felt so deprived of my oshi

>> No.1491356

I think Gura is a better rapper than Mori

>> No.1491362

>>1489829
Moneofags aren't as bad as Aloefags.

>> No.1491394

>>1491055
I laugh hysterically, this thread is all I ever wanted

>> No.1491396

>>1489838
You are just possessive of your oshi

>> No.1491435

>>1491362
I recommend going to the /voms/ thread, everyone is sick of it too

>> No.1491708

Alright, here goes:

Though she is a close contender, Kiara is not my oshi. I'm not membered to her and I've never superchatted her. However, I still defend her rather frequently, falseflag as a KFP in surveyposts and posts a lot in Kiara threads because the alternative, inaction, would be unbearbale, partially because most antis (not all, a rare few actually have valid criticism) are so far up their own asses their heads would be popping out of their mouths if that were physically possible. Furthermore, I do it because I hate doomposting and baseless negativity.

Sorry Kiara. I'll still watch you because I like you the most out of all ENs, though.

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>>1491214
You absolutely dodged a bullet on that one. Good job anon.

>> No.1491863

>>1487775
I've become a DD for hololive but don't give any of them money

>> No.1491867

>>1489218
based

>> No.1491869
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>>1487775
I think about Ame at every waking moment
I think about her kissing the back of my neck, I think about her talking to me, I love her a lot

>> No.1491929
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1491929

I've fallen head over heels for my oshi but my oshi reminds me of my ex in many ways.
Still love my oshi though. But I think about this pretty often.

>> No.1492050

>>1491435
everyone being like 2 pikafags

>> No.1492295
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>>1491708
>falseflag as a KFP in surveyposts and posts a lot in Kiara threads
KFPhaggots need schizos to help them and it still does not amount to anything

>> No.1492349

>>1492295
Confession: i made this post just now. Also I’m gay

>> No.1492420

Confession: ive made this post >>1492349 but not this post >>1492295 and Im a ragging homo

>> No.1492526

>>1492295
Well at least more people ok with her, than despise her very existence.

>> No.1492774

>>1492050
I see you fag, keep posting the archive since that's good, but stop moping already and let it go, remember: she was terminated not graduated.

>> No.1492810

>>1492420
>>1482349
>>1492295

All me. t. Homosexual faggot

>> No.1493259

>>1487775
>tfw you will never confess to Kanata as you fap to her and she is forced to listen to the noises from the other side of the confessional

>> No.1493337
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>>1490864
How would you ironically have a one-night stand with Mocca? "Haha, hey bro wouldn't it be funny if I fucked your boipussy? As a joke?" Sounds like something he'd be into.

>> No.1493480

>>1487775
After Haachama's videos were privated and she went on hiatus I unsubscribed from every holo besides her and haven't watched any of them since out of protest.

>> No.1493610

I don't actually "watch" vtubers. I only really have them on my second monitor while I'm grinding my relics in FFXIV and doing raids so I'm really just hearing their voices.

Also, I put in their last name first and their first name last when making a name for my characters.

>> No.1493970

>>1489829
At least Monoe fags actually watched Monoe

>> No.1494000

>>1489831
If this is Lyger, I recommend noose

>> No.1494059

>>1493970
They did not

>> No.1494103

>>1493480
I don't think that's a sin.

>> No.1494111

I wrote a scat story about my oshi and some other chuubas, but deleted it out of shame.
I still fap to it though.

>> No.1494178

>>1494111
Is Ayame your oshi?

>> No.1494200

>>1487775
I never ever cancelled a membership once I decided to start one except Pekora because her stupid crying tantrum was the most sellfish thing ever, but I'm very close to cancel Shion too, I love Shion, she's one of my favorites, but her recent behaviour and lack of stream is making me doubt, but I don't want to cancel one of my longest memberships

>> No.1494206

>>1487775
I watch multiple streams at once. I can understand most of what's happening, but at the expense of interacting little to the most deserving one.

>> No.1494209

>>1494111
Well at least you answered something that I've always wanted to know, if creators of any porn content can actually fap to their own thing.

>> No.1494216

>>1494178
No, but I do enjoy her streams.

>> No.1494227

It has been 4 years since my last confession. Sister Kanata, I confess that I have not watched EN for months and only watch my oshi Tia. Also, I slacked on my reps yesterday. I repent.
>>1488386
You're a kind soul, anon.

>> No.1494256

>>1488386
based

>> No.1494265
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I often leave streams open and muted while I do other stuff, just so they can get an extra view.

>> No.1494290

>>1490210
Unfathomably based

>> No.1494443

>>1494209
I'd be surprised if any don't, at least if it's not a commission work. It's like a chef who doesn't eat their own food.

>> No.1494477

>>1494265
I would probably do the same if my oshi became an Apex tryhard overnight, unsubbing it is too much I think

>> No.1494618

>>1488059
>Not all heroes wear capes.

>> No.1494621

>>1494200
This. I love Pekora, but reason for her crying was childish

>> No.1495926

>>1494227
I feel like you should be contractually obligated to falseflag as a CCP supporter.

>> No.1495958

>>1494200
I haven't watched a Kiara stream in 3 months. I should probably cancel, but at the same time I feel like that'd be a betrayal.

>> No.1496574

I'm 46 years old and into chuubas.

>> No.1496639

>>1494200
>>1494621
Are you talking about when management cancelled her plans to give something in return to her fans?

>> No.1496754

>>1496574
Based.

>> No.1496773

>>1488218
Based undiagnosed sociopath

>> No.1497124

>>1496639
And she trashtalked the company and said that she was going to stream without superchats on, she is part of Cover, not any kind of "special case"

>> No.1497140

>>1491185
Yes

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I purposely post small indies to reddit to ruin their chat with zoomers and EOP's

>> No.1497365

I hide all indie threads and leave only Niji Voms and Holo threads and I think than indieposting or westernposting is littering the board

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Where do i start. I commit Sloth for sure. Ever since nearly every vtuber start to play minecraft or apex or valorant or god damn Ark more often. I stop watching them for a good while and build up a backlog.. I didnt touch any holo stream until undertale arc. Im behind on almost 5 months on sora, roboco, aki, haachama, ayame, okayu, mio, watame, kanata, towa, risu, moona, watson, ina and anya streams. That and havent gone past 40 hours on yogiri stream archive due to feeling so damn physically burnout and just unmotivated to do anything. Hell, i havent been able to sleep well or workout daily. Sorry for the long confession kanata-sama

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>>1497144
Fuck you

>> No.1497529

>>1487775
I gave Ironmouse cancer by blowing my cigarette smoke up her pussy

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>>1487775
I'm a Soratomo. I find her personality to be adorably endearing, like she's a young mom who still has a very childish side. However, I fear that some of my enjoyment stems from her being the first one rather than her being her.

>> No.1498037

I don't watch my indie oshi when she plays minecraft or doing collabs. I don't watch her videos which she worked hard on. I can't stand zoomers in her chat or most of chuubas she collabs with. She is still my oshi and I think about her every day. I want a time machine to groom her properly and be her first subscriber. But it's too late, she's getting more than 30 viewers nowadays and this is too big a crowd for me.

>> No.1498480

If I had an oshi it would be Gura but I've watched more hours of Mori than I have Gura

>> No.1498528

>>1497144
well to be fair you are helping them with numbers

>> No.1498685

>>1489955
Who's your oshi?

>> No.1498691

The hours and hours I've spent on vt/jp have unironically turned me into a numberfag and I don't know how to stop, before I could watch any stream and I wouldn't even give a fuck about the viewer count or subscriber count or any of that nonsense, but now I can't even watch older streamers I've been watching for years without catching myself staring at the viewcount every now and again. The endless numberfagging is genuinely infectious.

>> No.1498697

>>1487775
I post wojaks and tell jannys to eat shit

>> No.1498728

I cranked it to my oshi's ASMR a few months ago when I was in a really bad spot mentally. Her ASMR wasn't even lewd, I was just that fucking lonely.

>> No.1498806

I spend more time on this board than watching any streams. Usually I just put random indie karaoke or music streams on background for 1 hour and that's it.

>> No.1498845

>>1497144
Only autists here would get mad about it, they want to get big

>> No.1499069

>>1493480
Based

>> No.1499079

>>1498480
Dont rush it, you'll know yourself when someone is your oshi

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>>1489896
too fucking late for me

>> No.1499447

>>1490060
I made friends through some of the smaller reddit communities. I know reddit gets a bad rep but the smaller communities are pretty cool.

>> No.1499457

>>1499150
Why are those feet so fucking erotic

>> No.1499741

I have never watched a stream just a few clips, I don't know why I'm even here

>> No.1500071

>>1487775
I change my oshi daily.

>> No.1500447

>>1499447
Holo sub used to be good pre meme review

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>>1500071
Anon is a whore!

>> No.1501133

>>1500447
Is there something Coco can't do?

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Every time I fap, I fap to Ame, and I think to myself, sometimes out loud, "fuck me, Ame"

>> No.1506668 [DELETED] 

>>1501133
Don't get beaten into a pulp by papa dragon

>> No.1506756

I forgot about haachama...

>> No.1507787

>>1487775
I hate Kanata.

>> No.1508189

>>1487775
I don't masturbate to vtubers much
Only marine
I'm not even a member

>> No.1508543

>>1488059
Sir this is a thread for sins, not utterly based actions

>> No.1508611

>>1508189
>only masturbates to marine
how is that a sin?

>> No.1508754

I only really got into Hololive this year, and only EN

>> No.1509040

>>1488059
Your face is forever masked, your tomb forever unknown. You truly are a wonderful one.

>> No.1509132

>>1497140
Which ones?

>> No.1509133

>>1487775
I've watched nearly all of Coco's reddit meme reviews

>> No.1509300

>>1498685
doog
}Honestly she was already a lot of fun. I don't regret it
But a sin is a sin

>> No.1509442

I schizopost so much I'm concerned I'm actually turning into a real schizo.

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>>1508611
I haven't masturbated to marine this year. I keep wanting to but I keep getting sidetracked.

>> No.1509568

>>1487775
I bashed a cat to dead when I was 15.

>> No.1509623

>>1488059
based

>> No.1510077

>>1487775
I watch and support indies just because is funny to watch them get excited about a overseas fan. but as soon as i get bored i forget about them

>> No.1510418

>>1509568
Why?

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I have a spreadsheet of my oshi's old music lyrics so I can just ctrl+f any one of them if I want to sneak in a bar in the middle of my sentences.

>> No.1510977

>>1510418
I was really angry at the time, and puberty. It was a senseless murder and I feel really sad every time thinking back to it.

>> No.1511650
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>>1510977
That's fucked up bro. I'm assuming the cat didn't even do anything.

>> No.1512172

I didn't study japanese this week and I just played gacha games and fapped instead

>> No.1512319

>>1512172
play your gachas in japanese and fap to untranslated doujins

>> No.1512392

>>1487775
I wrote the "Pikamee Breeding" copypasta which is max character size per post/reply and I don't regret a single bit of it.

>> No.1512496 [SPOILER] 
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>>1487775

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I keep thinking to myself man, I'm in love my oshi, I love her so much
But in the back of my mind I know I'm not, it's just nonsense
Although I feel like it's just easier to say that than think "yeah my oshi represents the kind of gal I'd be into"

>> No.1512789

>>1491435
I don't watch HoloEN because they're westerners trying to be cute.

>> No.1512887

>>1512789
Is this based?, I cannot tell.

>> No.1512915

>>1497124
That sounds pretty based, though. I shall now subscribe to her channel.

>> No.1512956

>>1512789
I didn't notice that I quoted someone my bad.

>> No.1513112

>>1492774
Wait...

I thought we were just being ironic with the "Magnet mourning" stuff.

>> No.1513135

I fall in love with vtubers just because of their singing

>> No.1513177

>>1493480
That ain't a sin, but just being butthurt at COVER's butthurt reaction to Haachama content.

>> No.1513496
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1513496

I fucking hate that my mind goes to a place like this, but it seems like it'd be long here, here goes.
I like women, and I do want to talk to 'em more. Friendships, perhaps even a relationship, it'd be nice.
But I'm fucking terrified. I'm always worried about saying the wrong thing or coming across a certain way. So I often say nothing. I usually don't even get responses. And the times where I try to step out of my comfort zone I regret it because I actually do end up saying or doing something wrong and I have no idea what it is since I just get ignored and I have to figure it out all on my own and drive myself mad. Obviously I'm doing something wrong, but I don't know what. Maybe I am being too much, maybe I'm actually overbearing and I don't realize it, maybe I haven't tried hard enough, maybe I'm trying too hard. I don't know.
With Vtubers however, I don't have to worry about kinda stuff.
I know they won't ever respond to me personally. I don't have to worry about saying the wrong thing or doing something dumb because they won't fucking see anything I send anyway. In a way, it's just a fantasy. One I get to lose myself in and enjoy, even if it means looking away from reality for a while.
The question then becomes when that veil fades, but I try to tell myself that I'll enjoy this stuff while it's around. It helps that I've been at home for a year.
But in reality, nothing changes. Even if things were to go back to "normal" and I try socializing again, I don't know. I'm scared.
There's also a part of me that just says "you know what, fuck everything, who gives a shit, just fucking do something", and that's in direct conflict with the other, scared part of me. And I'm kind of torn somewhere in the middle.
I hate all of these thoughts. That's why this is a sin, and that's why I'm confessing here.

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Towa is my oshi but I haven't watched or payed attention to her streams in what feels like forever. I'm usually unable to catch the rare and short non APEX stream, but I can always catch her when it's apex, it's always fucking APEX, it will forever be fucking apex. It's also one of the only games she's willing to stream for multiple hours, and now its sometimes two apex streams a fucking day. I'll take anything literally anything over more apex. I didn't hate apex before the last few months but now I cant stand it.

>> No.1514759

>>1489896
Suisei fans are the most pathetic fans of Holos, because while other Holos and Vs in general are basically an extension of anime, she’s actually a substitution of your irl gf.
You made a right decision.

>> No.1514862

I keep taking the anti-Kiara bait on /vt/ because I feel bad for Kiara, and don't think she deserves the hate she gets.
I'm usually immune to bait since I've been on 4chan for so long, but this bait gets to me for some reason.

>> No.1515309

>>1514288
imagine if she does "ill play apex until 600k stream"

>> No.1515407

For every Kiara anti-thread i see, i make 2 new positive ones
Sorry if it annoys you but my oshi's reputation matters to me more than what yiu think of me.

>> No.1515532

>>1487775
I don't pay for membership content

>> No.1515682

>>1488218
please start calling people n'rs on TikTok with me, you get a 24-hour temp ban at best and I literally stopped getting them by now

>> No.1515731

>>1515407
Consider the possibility that you might be making her look bad by association.

>> No.1516481

>>1515407
kys if this is true
we don't need 15 threads about any single chuuba, regardless of who they are

>> No.1516542

I hate EOPs so much but i'm an EOP myself.

>> No.1516609

I intentionally post rrats and antis about my oshis to see the reactions of my fellow 35P/Haaton/Membersheeps and deadbraps.

I genuinely dislike Kiara though. She and her cult are the biggest mistake to happen in Hololive. Even Chumbuds and Gura aren't like this.

>> No.1517554

>>1487775
I don't watch vtubers at all. I only post on this board to make other people angry.

>> No.1517832

I like hololive EN but think they're all super overrated as vtubers, and wish some if them would graduate just to see them succeed without Cover.

>> No.1520242
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I have the money to suscribe to my oshi but I don't out of fear I'll change oshis
Sorry PPT

>> No.1520383

>>1487775
I dont know Pekora

>> No.1520420

I barely watch Vtubers, I clicked on /vt/ by accident and found this rabbit hole of dramaposting with cute anime girls and I can't stop reading. The schizoposting and rrats are entertaining. I only watch clips.

>> No.1520497

I've fooled myself for 8 months thinking that I could duolingo nihongo to understand jp chuubas, and it's only been two weeks since I started to seriously taking lessons

>> No.1520572

>>1520420
I'm in the same boat
I haven't seen a single microsecond worth of Kiara yet I really enjoy reading the arguments between her fans and antis

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I stopped watching all vtubers and all vtubers related clips for a month at the time of this post.

Trying to get in touch with my irl friends,and do my reps instead of spending the day watching vtubers and shitposting here.

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>>1487775
I'm a borderline white supremacist and a neonazi
I don't actually think it's a sin though

>> No.1520612

>>1520572
Its less cringe than reading /cgl/ drama because one is about SJWs and the other is about a girl who's too extroverted or something, yet she spawns hundreds of posts. Endless entertainment. I read /vt/ with my tea in the morning.

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>>1520572
>I haven't seen a single microsecond worth of Kiara yet I really enjoy reading the arguments between her fans and antis
And I think this is the power of her which all Holo fans have to appreciate.
It’s like Muhammad Ali, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Michael Jackson or Donald Trump.
People become pro/con of her without checking things on their own. After all people become what they want to be. She’s so self-centered (I don’t know if it’s true, but that’s what you are saying) that eventually people start going around her.

>> No.1520736

I despise people from my own nation and EOPs alike. Even if I wasn't hikikomori and had an opportunity to have gf, I wouldn't even consider giving it a chance because I hate wh*Te women.
The only way to make social connections of any kind that is left for me is to do my reps and find friends among JOPs. But I will never be fluent enough to do so. Even if I was fluent in Japanese, they would quickly realize that I'm a schizo because most of JOPs are westaboo.

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>>1520608
You must be a KFP then.

>> No.1520939

>>1520608
>I'm normal
based

>> No.1521056

I listen to silly, cheesy love songs and think about my oshi

>> No.1521227

I fucking hate this forum from the bottom of my soul, I've been on 4 chan since 2005 and I fucking hate what this place has become, the only reason that I'm here is because at least here I can say nigger

>> No.1521260

>>1520736
Thank you Kiara, very cool

>> No.1521276

>>1488059
based af

>> No.1521288

>>1488386
Nah you're a good dude for doing that. We want all the Holo girls to succeed.

>> No.1521374

I bought AZKI's latest concert ticket, but was too lazy to watch it at the time it aired. When I got around to it a month later, the ticket had expired

>> No.1521375

>>1491124
You're missing out dude. Suisei's concerts are amazing. One of the best voices in hololive.

>> No.1521381

>>1514759
tell that to the teamates

>> No.1521382

>>1494265
Anon if the tab is muted it wont count as a view.

>> No.1521435

>>1521382
How does the tab know that it's muted?

>> No.1521674

>>1521375
Is it not enough that I attend to her karaoke and free celebratory concerts? If they host it on YouTubr instead of NND or SPWN I might go with it, I did almost buy Holofes 2 ticket.

>> No.1521691

i did a doxpost of my oshi several times

>> No.1521693

>>1487775
I'm ESL but I still won't watch any vtubers outside of EN because I don't wanna bother learning Japanese as a 4th language and I hate watching shit if i can't understand 70% of what's happening.
I do watch the rare translated livestreams tho and they're often pretty good

>> No.1521774

I've only ever watched Naruto and Dragon Ball and discovered Hololive through a remix entry to that Mori rap. I don't even like her tho.

>> No.1521802
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>>1487775
i only watch clips

>> No.1522445
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1522445

>>1514288
Same but Mori. I wanted to play the games she plays so I skipped out around like 7+ streams now.

>> No.1522489

>>1491335
Just call someone a nigger on a big sub? Maybe faggot will do aswell.

Most clinical website on the net, boring.

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>>1487775
ive masturbated to towa, more specifically art with high midriff focus not even lewd art but just art that focuses on the midriff an excessive number of times probably far more than anything else from hololive...

>> No.1524700

the only non indie vtubers I watch are ina and ollie

>> No.1524701

i downloaded towa's member streams on nyaa.si

>> No.1524749

I changed my oshi from Amelia to an indie who is similar to her

>> No.1524804

I think shitty distorted amogus memes are fucking hilarious

>> No.1524806

>>1487775
I get off to the idea of watching Moona fuck my Oshi

>> No.1525063

>>1489682
I thought all of them already become Deltafags.
>>1487775
My first exposure to most Niji girls are from porn. I follow lots of JP artists and 90% of their VTuber lewds are Nijisanji. Also the reason I like Cleaire and Laeria is because I have an anime nun fetish.

>> No.1525167

>>1490060
same dilemma here, currently 26, broke up with gf of 8 years, I still have friends that i usually talk to but i dont know how to date anymore.

>> No.1525248

I used to repress my sexual impulses towards my oshi because I considered that was wrong. But after seeing and thinking about her feet for days, I couldn't resist anymore and usually jack off to her. Is Peko

>> No.1525301

>>1487775
I don't watch my oshi's streams

>> No.1525313

I found nudes of bungotaiga, and they weren't great at all so now im just disappointed

>> No.1525385

I watch Onomachi Haruka because she reminds me of Chitose Yuu from Hitou Meguri

>> No.1525386

I'm a saviorfag. Most of my memberships and SCs have gone to those that are targets of controversies. I'm on /vt/ mainly to just engage antis at the moment.

>> No.1525405
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I actually hate discussing streams here but I still visit thread just to see reactions whenever someone's live.

>> No.1525793

>>1488467
How do you make new accounts? I got suspended recently and started another account which got suspended before i could even use it.
>>1488596
i bet some of them like that actually especially the ugly ones

>> No.1525828

>>1525793
Post better and you don’t get banned.

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>>1489218
based true feelings poster
you might be too much of a sinner, so start your repentance reps with this shitty devil.

>> No.1526067

I like the holoEN girls but I think it was a bad thing and a mistake
they should have just made Ina Kiara and Mori into a small branch like ID is

>> No.1526112

>>1526067
This but Ina, Ame and Gura. Takamori was a mistake.

>> No.1526146

>>1526112
Gura would still blow up and invite thousands of retarded kids and Ame is still a boring twitch streamer that has nothing to do with hololive
at least the other girls can still speak jp

>> No.1526232

>>1487775

I masturbated to the February Haachama lewd review

>> No.1526251

I hate all of you and think your refusal to enjoy anything is disgusting and am only posting here because I’m going through a depressive episode.

>> No.1526284

>>1487775
im in love with gura's VA

>> No.1526293

>>1525834
My other sin is that I never liked Towa. Didn't get her appeal at first, and then after that voice accident all her fanbase became savoiurfags. I saw her roommate and don't find her attractive. I just don't get it when girls doing selfies with huge moustache or pacifier stickers over their faces. What for?
I'm not her anti, but when she graduates I won't miss her.

>> No.1526305

>>1487775
I'm subscribed to over 10 vtubers but barely ever have time to watch streams, even VODS

>> No.1526366

>>1526293
>girls doing selfies with huge moustache or pacifier stickers over their faces
It's because they're insecure. They get the attention of posting a picture while being able to hide parts of their face that they're insecure about (mostly the nose, see Snapchat dog filter for another example).

>> No.1526386

I beat my meat to Moona's streams.

>> No.1526508

>>1516609
Sell me a 35 rrat

>> No.1526658

1) I am always upset and deeply disappointed in humanity whenever I read another rrat or false-flag post. People's capacity to be intentionally shitty to each other always upsets me, and I have not developed any of the natural filters people seem to have that let them ignore and get over things like that. I pay attention to each lame or aggressive bait post and I just think: I wish this person didn't exist in the world.
2) I look at vtubers and think "This looks really fun and I wish I could be doing this", but unfortunately all the fun and cute parts about it are intrinsically connected to being a girl, which I am not. I'm neither trans nor in the closet about it, I just think some aspects of life would be really nice if I was born as a girl, and I have some envy over it. I consider myself blessed for not being constantly subjected to sexual abuse, harassment, period pains etc. though.

>> No.1526673

>>1489218
based and antifreemarketpilled

>> No.1526767

>>1487775
I use Roomates as workout motivation

>> No.1526943

I almost kill myself for my oshi.
I'm a free man now

>> No.1527134

I've jacked off so many times to Ring Fit streams that hearing the game's BGM makes me horny.

>> No.1527376

>>1513496
Just talks to women the same way you would with men for now. You probably won't get a gf that way, but you need the experience to desacralize women in your mind and feel more confident around them

>> No.1527431 [DELETED] 

>>1515682
niggerspam is kid shit
i was doing that back in 2005

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>>1527134

>> No.1527562 [DELETED] 

>>1525793
https://receive-smss.com/
https://10minutemail.com/
also don't forget to clean your cookies/reset your IP if you eat a ban

>> No.1527581 [DELETED] 

>>1526658
have you learned about the magic that is babiniku?

>> No.1527763

>>1487775
I'm going full parasocial goslinging over a chuba despite having enjoyed vtubers as pure entertainment for a year.

>> No.1528346

>>1527581
I dislike it, it's not my taste (too painfully straight) and voice changers feel fake/dishonest too.

>> No.1529117

>>1489896
>>1514759
I don't Suisei. Explain this

>> No.1529142

>>1487775
Fell into the rabbit hole six months ago or maybe a bit more and I still don't know who my oshi is

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>>1520608
when the ethnostate becomes a thing, you won't be able to sex your oshi, unless you want to get executed for miscegenation

>> No.1531837

meidos you know /pol/ keeps raiding this board right?
when will you faggots do something about them maggots

>> No.1532010

>>1529117
Not too sure to be honest, Suisei basically never does GFE, tends to maintain professional distance with the chat, and is clearly very performance-focused. But at the same time her character is basically just herself, and she is unfiltered and nerdy enough to be – apparently dangerously – relatable for the kind of crowd who would watch vtubers. So the end result is some kind of friend simulator, and maybe her refusal to do any real GFE merely serves to make it a realistic kind of girlfriend simulator for some.

But most vtubers are nerdy and most can't keep up either a character or a filter for that long, so I'm not really sure why Suisei should stand out. Everyone has their Goslings after all, and Suisei supposedly is the Holo who comes closest to having a 50:50 ratio of male and female fans.

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>>1490864
What the fuck are you doing here Glenn Beck?

>> No.1533853

>>1491708
You are the exact reason why KFPfags have the rep they have. Into the lake of fire you go.

>> No.1534780

>>1487775
I say I lewd Ina in the threads
but I actually never had a lewd dream about her, it's only spending time with her and talking

>> No.1536753

>>1512789
Mori is cute even when she doesn't try.

>> No.1536871

>>1526112
Why don't you like Mori?

>> No.1536923

I call her Calli and that seems to make people angry so that just makes me want to call her that more

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>>1488218
Are you ok bro?

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>>1487775
I shilled this crazy bitch until she got her own thread here, I do not regret it.

>> No.1538820

I really enjoy Vtubers. It's been a nice escape. I have something to look forward to each week.
But I feel guilty for enjoying myself. Every time I find myself enjoying literally anything I think "you don't deserve this, you deserve to suffer" to myself.
It's not like I've abandoned my responsibilities. I still go to work each week, and I just try to catch whatever I can live, or watch archived videos later.
I've just always been like this I guess. Never giving myself a break. Even though Vtubers have helped, I'm still never going to escape this.

>> No.1541634

My oshi's streams sometimes make me cringe to the point I have to look away from the screen or mute it for a while.
I don't really blame her though, her dumb childish behaviour is part of what makes me like her.

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I've tried my best at watching Kiara since I want to support all of the ENs, I can get past her awkward ESL moments, I can get past her bird brain and fear of dead air, I know she's got a kind heart and I'm really happy for her since she's gone trough a lot of bullshit to get where she is now, but the Chicken voice, there's something about her character voice that hits a weird spot in my ear and makes it incredibly grating after a couple minutes.
I really wish she had dropped that voice a couple months after debut because I've heard her slip into her normal voice from time to time, and it's actually a really pleasant voice, but she didn't and she probably won't drop it ever.

>> No.1542727

>>1532010
Seems accurate, basically ones who do not like her are saviourfags and unicorns

>> No.1543156

>>1542727
I still don't know what unicorns mean in this case

>> No.1543509

>>1543156
Purists.

>> No.1543624

>>1487775
I Enter hololive seeing holoEn, and thought mikochi was cringe with her video of "stay Home" forgive me tenshi for i have sin

>> No.1543895

>>1487775
I've fapped way too much to pekomama.

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>>1487775
I love Haachama, and I miss her, even though I’m fully aware she’ll never give a shit about me

>> No.1547883

I confessed to my indie oshi in a private message and was rejected publicly. It was a month ago and it still hurts.

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1548028

I masturbated both on Nina's and Koopa's stream and I still use their archives to get off every day.

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>>1547883

>> No.1549265

>>1488059
absolutely basado, reading hololive global threads gives me an aneurism

>> No.1550005

I think I've been masturbating a little bit too much to that NijiNun Vtuber

>> No.1550066

I don't have an oshi. Probably never will. I find it difficult to form relationships even 'parasocial' ones. I don't have a waifu either. I've been browsing since 2004.

>> No.1550133

>>1527134
link some of your go-tos if you don't mind please

>> No.1550154

>>1550133
Not him but Rushia, Ollie, Subaru and Monoe

>> No.1550195

I'm on this board mostly just to try to understand what fuels the antis.

>> No.1551178

I don't subscribe to any chuuba I watch regularly. And most of them are small indies to whom every subscriber is important. I never hit the like button, and never comment, even though they ask for it every time and putting heart under every comment.
Some are celebrating every 100 subs like it's a big achievement, but I'm not giving my subscription to them.
Sometimes I hit dislike if I see 0 dislikes just to be that guy. Few times I even went to the effort of disliking every single video on the channel.

>> No.1551277

>>1487775
I stop watching a vtuber completely if they start to pander too much to EOPs

>> No.1551548

I never stay to watch Noel's stream cause her choice of game and content of stream usually isn't really in my interest. I only subscribe to her cause I love her personality that I know from her roommate. Though I have to admit that I interested because of her humongous assets but apparently she's much more than just simply a human cow.

>> No.1551562

>>1551178
But why Anon? What's point, which reason?
I understand about dislke, it can motivate they for be better.
You can not answer, if you want.
t. Russo

>> No.1551861

>>1547883
You deserve it

>> No.1552377

>>1488059
I understand, but it's better if the general exists and confines all the cancerous retards within it

>> No.1552527

>>1509132
I can't tell you that, I don't want anyone to know that their community was created by an outsider
>>1552377
Agreed, my ultimate goal is for /jp/hlg and /vt/hlgg to contain the schizos and newfags respectively while each chuba has a good thread to discuss them and when the time to strike comes a Holo EN general that's a similar speed and vibe to /vt/hlg that will replace global for the good posters still there

>> No.1552605

>>1534780
Tako...

Why not both?

>> No.1553148

>>1551562
Many reasons.
I don't want them to grow and want them to suffer at least a little. They aren't thirdworlders like you and me, so at least they won't get everything in life.
I want my subscription feed to be clean and full of normie stuff like LGR and EEVBlog as if I didn't fall into the rabbit hole.
And pressing like button will put the video in a playlist, I don't want that.

>> No.1553816

>>1551178
pussy

>> No.1554020

>>1553148
>thirdworlder
Ew, your filth taints this place. I can't believe you scum have computers. Go back to sewing for pennies and mining for palladium or whatever it is you "people" do.

>> No.1554805

Streaming is a shitty business and non of the girls are entertaining (not funny/can't even play games) to me, and i cannot imagine someone wasting 3 hours or more a day to watch them. Other than watching some funny clips or cute moments all i do i browse this shithole for fap material of them. Not sure if a sin.

>> No.1555214

I like to masturbate to the holos when they are live streaming, it makes me fucking excited

>> No.1555788

I don't have a parasocial relationship with my oshi

>> No.1557946

I listen to my oshi's ASMR streams before going to bed and it helps me sleep because it's just so relaxing and comforting, hell, I feel loved even
But I'm a light sleeper so I end up waking up early due to some fucking bullshit and I hate it, and by then, it's already daytime and I can't fall back asleep and I hate it

>> No.1558116

>>1553148
kek mindset of a literal crab
you made me a little more racist today anon, good job

>> No.1558549

I know one of them in real life and I
>>1497124
>>1496639
>>1494200
When did this crying thing happen?

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1559251

Bros, I have to confess... My motivation to do my reps is at an all time low... I haven't done my kanji reps regularly in months now, its always small bursts of sporadic energy to do them. I used to be great about doing them, but I've just lost motivation. I rarely watch any chuubas anymore, and they were my main way of immersing myself in jap and I can't force myself to feel the same way I felt about them before. Recently ourbear has started to bring me up, but I'm worried it'll happen again. My reps for my college class are fucking non-existent anymore and I'm worried I'll lose my GPA to let me go to moonland. I've pulled myself out of this hole before, but I've never been this deep before, and I don't know what to do.

>> No.1560917

>>1559251
Okay let me preface this by saying I know this is a meme on this board but I'm not utilizing it like that.

You have depression. What I highly recommend that you do is go to your doctor and talk to him or her about it. Get on antidepressants. Right now you're not deep enough in the spiral to not see the top, so these antidepressants will most probably be temporary, most likely under a year in fact.

Please, anon, for the good of yourself, go see a doctor before you start losing your GPA. You're worth it. You deserve it. And you can make it.

>> No.1564006

>>1553148
end yourself

>> No.1564068

I spent the entire day researching roommates

>> No.1564086

>>1550195
Thats easy
Madness

>> No.1564096

>>1487775
I'm addicted to pornography

>> No.1564171

>>1564068
For the record, not for any schizo purpose, just to sate my own curiosity. Im a very curious type, and I feel a strong need to know everything that is even mildly interesting

>> No.1564187

>>1487775
I can't fap to pictures of my oshi because it feels weird and kinda almost disrespectful... but sometimes when I'm watching some spicy hentai, it creeps into my mind "what if it was her"

>> No.1564204

Sometimes I think about what it'd be like if I was a Vtuber/streamer too, just with a modest folllowing, just playing whatever the heck I wanted, whenever I wanted
And people would stick around because they liked me
And I'd think "what if my oshi was there watching me in secret"

>> No.1564241

>>1564187
Can relate to that

>> No.1564361

>>1560917
>take mind altering chemicals because his motivation is low
stop this armchair psychiatry

>> No.1564406 [DELETED] 

>>1564068
I've done the same
I also moved on from the usual dox sites to stalking my oshi's twitter and I now know roughly where she lives and details of her past career and thankfully no mention of a boyfriend anywhere

>> No.1564432

>>1564406
Fuck’s wrong with you?

>> No.1564520

>>1564406
I understand the need to know part bur please never share what you know with anyone you dont absolutely trust

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1564552

>>1512496
u r yeb

>> No.1564655

>>1564432
Lots of things
>>1564520
Don't worry, this stuff will go with me to my grave. But if it's as easy to find as it was for me I'm definitely not the only one who knows

>> No.1564768

>>1487775
i samefag a lot... i just restart my router and if i make a thread i'll do this like 20 times so i don't just look like i'm continually bumping it. i'm not saying what threads though

>> No.1564943

>>1564655
I hope those who know are like you then

>> No.1565024

>>1487775
I'm manipulating the market with Okayuu

>> No.1573281
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1573281

>>1491869
This was supposed to be sinful not wholesome.

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