/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Like a glint from the blue, here's a quick Morning Review.

Top 3 Upwards Adjustments (of 24)
>Fubuki :: $9,998.45
>Marine :: $7,338.32
>Subaru :: $4,953.04

Top 3 Downwards Adjustments (of 37)
>Chloe :: -$10,046.48
>Kronii :: -$9,878.79
>Rushia :: -$4,233.43

Overall Average Adjustment is -$29.53
Average Upward Adjustment is $2,185.11
Average Downward Adjustment is -$1,466.06

Don't get baited, pick up any deals you need, and see you in 10 hours.

Risu hat doko?

>>14896493

>>14896676
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>>14896798

Patra fucks, hard.
I wish we had Pato coin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mubqiXn1Lrs

>>14896676
>discord treasury
is this the dicksucking HQ?

>>14896798

>>14896676
>embed discord
>fun company
>mean priestess
>thanks guys
>honk returns
>probably in-group
>hat goals
>autistic pdf
>need towa
>find hats
>don't profit
>remember oshi
>current strategies
>lmao triangle
>real cypher

>>14896997
cute voice

>>14897103
the darkest timeline

FIRST FOR FATWA AGAINST THE MONEY LAUNDERING JEWS OF GLOBAL FINANCE

>>14897171

wait you can make your name links?

>>14897346
...you could probably make your name something that erases the entire real leaderboard
sanitize your inputs drey FFS

>>14897395
Ah yes, good ol Bobby Tables.
https://xkcd.com/327/

>>14897395
api/deleteRealOshiboard

>>14897395
I'm seriously more concerned for the actual leaderboard because honk doesn't sanitize either

>>14897461
api/deleteNasfaq

>>14896676
>hq boost love

>>14897395
>>14897441
It's fine; there is a backup. You guys do check the fake oshiboard right?

>>14897609
The what

Dancer and Joe do you want to make a cool country we could be like pirates and talk in pirate language
>>14897609
I check it when I open my wallet

>change my name to DROP TABLE Users;
>NASFAQ implodes

>>14897857
December 19th... the Great Reset...

>>14897838
uh... yarr?

Josei (女性)

the pirate talk thing is just code for erp

post em anon doko...

>>14898382
probably taking a shit

You waitin' for an invitation or something?
Post 'em.

>>14898647
i am a bibi vampire
i cannot post 'em without an invitation

>>14898647
triple bibi thing

>>14898647

>>14898647
>>14898702
will you suck my bibi?

>>14898254
Yarr matey!!!

>wake up
>thread reps
What the fuck

>>14900352
welcome to december 19th

>>14900549
Not gonna lie I still don't fully grasp it but this seems fun

>>14879831
I meant opportunity cost-wise. Think of the worst div% coin in the game, no matter your entry price (MPP) you should sell it and get into a better div%, of courses, but the point is that with vast wealth this takes time and "fucks up" your MPP even though you will actually end up in profit in the end (if the future average div% of the coin you changed to is higher than your current one, disregarding MPP).

what are your expectations for holonations
I am once again asking for your neuron activations

>>14900998
its extremely retarded and you know it

>>14901160
i want to form etanall enterprises but we just buy towa

>>14901160
something simple, a map where different nations start, they grow, meet with each other, form alliances, go to war and stuff like that

>>14901160
Nations should be able to set bounties on other nations. Monetary or item rewards of course. I crave PVP.

>>14901584
i do want to just enter a coven with the other kenzoku

>>14901160
Numbers growing game.

>>14901160

>>14901764
What did he mean by this?

>>14901160
I honestly don't expect it to happen.

>>14901160
My reply got deleted. Basically like risk. Player group driven, moves are fueled by money. And it lasts for a couple or more months.

>>14901697
>coven
i like the sound of that, how about
kenzoku koven something

Good morning, I am buying Towa.
Hologra had lots of Towa which is nice and cute screenshot moments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oyT4JuuGf4
>>14901697
>>14901862
I'm okay with this.

>>14901040

>>14901862
kenzoku koven kabushikigaisha (Ltd.)
or KKK for short

>>14902221
you cant just take the name of the Komfy Krab Klub (KKK for short)

>>14902221
trading maximum tokens (TMT)

DIVEGRASS NEWS
/nasfaqg/ will be facing /basshunter/ in the RO16, /hlgg/ against /yah/. Most importantly, /ao/ will play against /hlg/.

>>14904671
when is the next gameday?

>>14904777
December 22nd, the two /vt/ matches start roughly around 3:00 EST.

ohhh konnui

>>14904948
Amazing work

>>14901160
The auction house enables asset transfers. Oshi marks (icons + hats) enable identification. Holonations are already present in the game. Each account is a nation...
But more features can be implemented like:
in-game position/title buff:
- multi-coin discount
- increased multi-coin limit
- free gacha roll
- free tax
- temporary skin of choice
- free asset
in-game position/title debuff:
- multi-coin mark up
- decreased multi-coin limit
- gacha roll mark up
- extra tax
- forced temporary skin
- asset extortion

My boomer ass is wary of changes, so if the game is heading to this direction, then please do it slowly.

>>14905062
Imagine research trees.

>>14904948
>I'm in this one twice
Magic.

>>14904948
>that krooni
Are you a boobachad?

>>14905440
yes

I don't want to play this game anymore

>>14906174
Based.

>>14906236
Really went downhill with the introduction of items, but somehow people seem to think this is the right path to go down. It's also pretty much impossible to speak against it because there's a couple of tards with dev cock stuck in their airways, it's probably the devs themselves posting.

>>14906753
You're right, and the devs haven't done anything to actually address the core issues of the game since forever. This is not the right way though, this is fucked up
Fuck the zaibatsu and fuck the devs, player interaction was a mistake

>>14906852
>he cannot handle a couple players talking to one another about the game and LARPing

>>14906928
If that was the only problem with the game, we would be more than fine.

>>14906928
It's ten players working for gains that cannot be made alone, did you not read their effortpost? I'm all for communication and larping, not whatever the fuck this shady company is

>>14906928
is it autism?

>>14906982
to the highest order

Is it really that hard to make a separate leaderboard for people that only wanna play the market simulation part of the game and not the shitty items and auctions shit? It would also make everyone asking for a reset to stfu.

This is the most reddit thread on this entire board and you can't prove otherwise.

>>14907114
vsj+ is over this way >>14882190

>>14906975
pretty sure they also said that anyone can do it, so if you band together you can also get those gains

>>14907360
Yes, there's nothing stopping people from doing it, but the ideal would be that nobody is doing it. Plus, they assembled most of the big players who are open to communication. It's like seal clubbers gathering and telling the seals 'well you can be like us too, you just have to work together'. Like hell the seals are going to organize like that, like hell they are going to stand a chance. And, like seal clubbers, the morality of it's all wrong. It's inherently cruel to all not in the company, no matter how you go about it. Think about the people who miss out, the people who they said 'hm no I don't want you in my group' to.
Player interaction on this scale causes arguments and discontent, especially if you pick and choose who you talk to/trade with. We all pulled by with our own merits back in the day and built stories for ourselves, now we have a soulless imitation of the corporate larp that's just out to shit on everybody else. It's just another symptom of the cancer that is this game's decline
The whole thing is fucked up, and I blame honk for his lack of action

>>14908192
quit your bitching and just buy your oshi, caring about the leaderboard is dumb

>>14904948
I'm in it 3 times, kek

>>14908192
They're LARPing in a fake stock market game about 2D internet personality streamers on a Polynesian macramé forum. Why is this such a big deal to you?

Immagine gathering most of the tops players, laudering money to priestess because why the fuck not and still not being able to beat cypher lmao

>>14908674
This game and its people are my life

>>14908756
>do everything I can not to fall in a parasocial relationship with chuubas
>get in one with you guys anyway
Bros...

>>14908857
fug

>>14908857
I care about you too anon

>>14904948
Based as always

>>14908756
But anon, nothing has really changed.

>>14910198
but they're in a fancy group and i'm left alone...

>>14910314
make your own group, or join theirs if you really want to then

>>14910415
it's not the same... everyone was alone together...

>>14910434
>everyone was alone together
do you really beleeb it

>>14910434
>haatoncord
>money laundering
>[redacted] deals in the aggie
bro... open your eyes

>>14910532
>>14910590
stop... don't ruin this for me... i've tried to ignore it all...

No, like seriously, please tell me I'm not being crazy about this. Devs literally fucking stalled multicoin for months because, i quote, "balancing issues", yet, auction exists in this state for weeks. Seriously?! Tell me the difference between me being able to buy 5 coins at a time and a new player not, with yfp randomly giving billions away because larp. Can you see the hypocrisy here? I don't care wtf yfp and his faggot friends do, what i care about is the double standards and logic used by the devs, mainly honk.

>>14910755
You're being crazy about this.
Take your meds. Also maybe look up what "hypocrisy" means, because even if you were right, what you're describing isn't hypocrisy.

>>14910755
Go to sleep and think about these questions the next day with a clearer head

>>14910755
Regardless of the devs being retards make multi coin better already there's too much money you cunts, there's a reason these fags arrived at the >spreading liquid is better solution
I would like to hear their stance on the larp and money laundering

>>14910903
>>14910952
>>14910988
I'm not spitting facts or anything, it's just my shitty opinion that certain development choices don't make logical sense, nor the excuses given to not implement certain content.

>>14911150
What mostly ticks me off is the fact that so much shit happened and went down over balancing shit like inflation and whatnot, and then you have a mechanic that lets you move around billions to pretty much any other person. Who's stopping you from transferring money between alts? What if that is already happening? I dunno man, but to me auction has more cons than pros.

>>14911234
You can blame the people nonstop complaining about inflation for that

>>14911234
make auctions go up by 1k increments, start at 1k, and that should solve the issue of money transfers. cooldowns on the bids should curb most people from spamming and raising the bids

>>14911448
>issue of money transfers
>issue

>>14911448
anon, that is beyond retarded

>>14911448
sounds based, auctions will take months to process lets do it

>>14911647
Immagine all the taxes gained from every 5% on that whole sum increased by 1k, mmmmmm

>>14911448
pls no I like being able to buy hats
also they'll have a fucking script or bot ready to circumvent that before the sun sets, you'll only inconvenience people who actually want to buy items

A network

>>14912340
how much do you pay for a marine hat?

>>14913070
if ur poor u can still have $1.1m
else: idk I have a lot already

Hello!
I come with a useless report for you!

Here are the holders of ranks 20, 50, 100, and 250 and those immediately above and below them!

Remember to dress warmly when going outside! Depending on where you live, it may be cold out there! Walk carefully on slippery ice!

Remember that the week is only just beginning, don't waste your liquid, and especially now that we have the 100x roll option, use the gacha responsibly!

>>14913279
I am down 20 mil due to the 100x gacha. Your warning is too late.

>>14913279
>spoiler
You are late, $40M late

>>14913279
>spoiler
about that

>>14913343
>>14913397
>>14913447
Anon! Be careful with the rest of your liquid, it is needed to make good investments!

>>14913447
spaget...

>>14913519
I will soon have 666 webcams and a nice number of Towa hats. It was been a good investment.

>>14913554
Don't worry I have 8m on their way to my wallet
>>14913589
it was a pleasure doing business with you

>>14910755
>>14911150
Just keep those thoughts to yourself, honk doesn't really talk about those things that much or anything at all unless it's gacha-related, and the majority doesn't mind it because it's the usual players who do it. Just play the game like endgame cookie clicker.

>>14914193
>>14910755
The most annoying thing is that fixing the 'cookie clicker' state of the game would be relatively simple
It would require a lot of trial and error, but it would be FAR from impossible

Will honk consider adding more rushia hats if I cut them out for him?

>>14914883
Probably, but he usually releases hats in batches, so you'll probably need other hats to go with that besides Rushia hats, and idk if there's any crops that haven't been added.

>>14914938
Risuposter is your time to shine

>>14914938
We don't have gen 6 hats yet

>>14901160
Get some ideas from this browser game /vst/ loves
https://www.landsoflords.com/

>>14915149
I meant that by saying new crops that haven't been added, like someone cropped a hat but it hasn't been implemented, though you're not wrong about gen6 having none.

>>14901160
>what are your expectations for holonations
Really thought it would be fun, but seeing the posts from the last thread made me realize how it'll be full larp and it made me cringe.

>>14914372
I think people have already given up on trying to fix it. People who seemed to care about it usually just gets shut down by meaningless replies, gets called a schizo, or gets complained by "timeloop". Everyone's already contented on the current state of the game anyway, let's just wait for the next inflation fix.

>>14916563
That's a defeatist attitude and I don't want to admit you're right, but you are. Every time I try and effortpost I either get replies telling me about some other way of fixing things, or get shut down. It's so annoying, we shouldn't have to timeloop

>>14915385
If holonations have any sort of real PvP, reward and debuff, instead of larps, there will be rage and accusation of cheating. alliance will also be a thing, if moves are linked to nasfaq pixel money then by God expect some faction funding etc

>>14916799
Any sort of player interaction breeds cheaters. the stupid corpo larp is no different to people just abusing alts. making items tradable for money was the stupidest thing honk could have done.

>>14917101
NTA, I majorly agree. Item trading would have been a much better system

>>14917101
how's what they're doing cheating?

>>14917774
anon...

>>14917101
but at the same time it makes shit interesting, do you know what kind of experience nasfaq would
give if there is no player interaction? like those mobile idle game/incremental games. numbers go big im hapi.

>>14914938
I see. Is there any kind of rules to follow to make hats? For example do they have to be from official art or anything like that?

>>14918213
It's probably better to use official art or you could get the usual schizo going
>I'm contacting the artist to shut your website down1!!1!

>>14918213
with the introduction of christmas hats, maybe honk is good with fanart hats [?], just be aware of things that will bring trouble to the game like permissions etc

>>14918375
>>14918353
Ok ok, last question. Is there any preference regarding the resolution?

>>14918213
Preference to official like others said, or artists that they could get in contact with and aren't schizo about permissions of their work.
>>14918711
Higher res is always better, but don't go overblown. You can look at the other image resolutions for the other hats if you want for reference.

>>14918711
Not really. They end up fairly small once they're on nasfaq. Here's a good example of something cut directly from a stream that ended up uploaded at the same size.

>>14918711
i have no idea, but maybe you can check OP for the hat archive

>>14918711

>>14916716
Thinking and giving possible ideas for the goodness of a game you like actually takes effort, and is tiring however replying "show wallet", a distorted pekora image, "timeloop" and "schizo" takes no effort, and getting these replies would dishearten one to give more ideas. That's why we rarely get anymore effortposting for the game itself but more for what to do while playing the game instead. At least ideas for those are more welcomed and gets more people to agree with you rather than when talking about the game.

fuck, now that we are talking about hats, i have a grave feeling that honk version of limited banners is the one we are having right now. crafting

>>14918971
You forgot about the gacha this game is purely gacha and cosmetics now

>>14918971
The last two threads have been thankfully pretty on-topic. I hope this lasts. If there is time to talk about possible balance fixes, ideas for devs, or outlook for the game, it's now.

>>14918971
Indeed, but it just doesn't sit right with me. Other than our nature to shitpost into oblivion, I don't understand why we/the devs can't focus on what is most important, how fun the core game is. Rather, I DO understand but I can't be at peace with that. I cannot live with it.

>>14918971
giving suggestions in this thread is not welcome not because players dont like it, but because every single fucking suggestion have already been suggested and drain in the armchair devs arc and saying it again and again will not help nor fasten the developments. if i remember it right, the devs mentioned that they are already listed said suggestions so why timeloop again? for what reason?

>>14918971
>>14919152
1. I'd like to point out to both of you that some of the biggest complainers about "muh timeloops" or "armchair devs gtfo" are in fact zaibatsu niggers.
2. A lot of the suggestions are outright stupid or wrong. See above, "still thinking inflation is a problem."

>>14918971
If you really believe you have a worthy suggestion please consider sending it to their email, listed in the info page.

>>14919304
NTAs, I would have to disagree with you about point 1, I don't think the complainers are that clear. I agree with you about point 2 though, and my suggestions may be outright stupid or wrong as well. Making an image right now to explain the suggestion I've been shilling since time began

I found thi s really cool image and wanted to share with you
>>14901160
If you want a money sink it could be lime pixelcanvas but members of a nation pay each pixel
Half of this thread used to frequent /pixel/ so I think it would be a nice addition

>>14919490
>image
godspeed, devs do listen to suggestions, they just take a long time to implement, add more devs honk

>>14919594
that might be too hard to code

>>14919594
>Half of this thread
it was like four or five of us...

>>14919716
All the other 30 posters are me with different ips

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Make nasfaq one of those 2010 facebook clash of clans tower defenses
>>14919857
>21:00:00
Nice

nasfaq club penguin doko?

>>14920054
Nasfaq is becoming neopets

>>14920187
can I take other players as pets?

>>14920784
i mean kenzoku has heimin as a pet

>>14919490
I could probably explain this better, but this is what I want to see in the game.
As the OP states, 'read it, you faggot.' All discourse is very much appreciated.

>>14921099
you want multicoin to depend on market volume?

>>14918887
>>14918900
>>14918907
Okay I tried. Hope it's good enough. It's from her mama so there shouldn't be problems hopefully https://twitter.com/yasu00kamiki/status/1472180162980888578

>>14919857
>19:00:00

>>14921099
This assumes that the market volume will go up, which is not necessarily the case if you can shift all your liquid almost immediately.

>>14921966
That's the idea, yes. Back in the day, you used to spend all your liquid every day setting up buys for the next. Or, you could set up some buys a couple of days in advance if you were early to find out about something big. I want a return to that, since it will make the game much more engaging, and in my mind, fun.
The rate shown in my image might not be perfect, it was just an example of what could be implemented. Generally, I want it to be possible for you to move around at least most of your positions daily. The green or red % on your wallet used to mean you made good plays yesterday, now it's just reflective of the market. I'd rather it be the former again.

>>14921993
Looks plenty good, but as I said, they're usually done in batches and honk hasn't asked for them in a bit.

>>14922425
if you want that, removing multicoin taxes will massively help, the problem that i can see is that i dont think people will do what you think they will do, if i remember it right, the div strat was made way before the introduction of taxes because apparently, moving coins takes a lot of time, if devs added a server side trader then maybe this will be viable. also you need to consider why taxes are introduced

>>14922401
>This assumes that the market volume will go up
this assumes nothing, read again
he only says it should scale with coin volume

>>14922401
The volume will go up, weekly at least. Dividends will always give you more money than you started with, and day trading will give you more profit than it does now. That money goes back into coins, coins that are traded daily. You will always have your positions when the day is over, that is a fact. On almost all days you will start at the adjustment with a full wallet of coins, and you will end it with one. The only exceptions are an extreme green day or a susan day. Also, you will probably still hold and buy your oshi.
If tying it to market share won't work (it should be fine, at least it would be better than what we have now) then you could, I suppose, tie it to the game's total capital. But that wouldn't work QUITE as well in the long run, since the coins won't inflate alongside our wallets.

>>14919857
>19:00:00
>>14921993
Nice work.

>>14923115
Not market share, market volume. My bad.

>>14922969
I could probably do some more rushia hats, I jus need to find good images.

>>14923115
>If tying it to market share won't work
It will work. The idiot you're replying to is in fact, an idiot. This is the flipside of the "people are stupid" coin. And I'm deliberately attaching a name to this so they know exactly who's calling them stupid.
The only coins with retracting coin volume, long-term, are not coins you should be buying 300 of at a time in the first place.

>>14923260
At least make sure they're from actual outifts, want to make sure they're consistent on their origin and not just some random artist's outfit.
I should crop Towa hats as she has like 3 more I could do but then I would have to collect even more hats...

>>14923402
I thought it'd work, I couldn't see any clear issues that wouldn't be ironed out easily. I really hope I see this in-game, it would be so much more fun

>>14923115
and for what it's worth, of the 30 or so coins I bothered checking, there's only one with anything remotely resembling contracting market share.

>>14923785
Don't worry, I'll make sure to do that.

>>14923402
NTA, but are all the coins the same price, where switching the same worth of coins retains the same market volume?
>>14923814
Sure, right now., with multicoin that's rarely viable, crabbing market, and increasing networth through divvies. But if this gets introduced and volatility stays the way it's done now and 300x is introduced, expect extreme fluctuations in market volume. You can't rely on historical data when talking about mechanics that completely change the way the market operates.

>>14923799
You're not alone. I've long argued for similar "simple" things that would spice up game play considerably.
>The change in value per transaction should scale, either linearly or even exponentially, for added "fun", with the current volume/time of the coin.
TL;DR Volatility should be VISIBLY variable. Everybody dumping a stock that's headed down the drain IRL makes it spiral down faster.
>Buying coins should be taxed considerably less, or not at all.
>"Capital gains tax"
It can be lazy. Getting rid of the buy tax alone would make multi-sell slightly more viable anyways and make it essentially capital gains tax. It should be reduced too.
The current tax structure unironically slows down gameplay at this point, and lead to bizarre user-baked solutions like the zaibatsu which I still am not 100% convinced will make that much more money than the same people flying solo, but whatever. And last but not least,
>Ignoring "inflation" niggers.
The money and shares are infinite. "Fun is infinite" They also appear out of thin air and disappear into the ether. Inflation is an absolute necessity even in a regular market economy to prevent stagflation go look it up, that is even more true in a market that inflates by its very existence.
There's a reason I don't post about game mechanics in thread at all anymore. It either
1. Gets ignored outright,
2. brings reset-schizos,
3. ERP,
4. timeloop whiners,
5. or morons out of the woodwork.
>>14924470
See above. Volatility has needed to change for a long time.

>>14924470
That's the thing, the market will operate closer to how it did earlier in the game. When I say 300 coins, it's (obviously not actually) the equivalent of having 3 coins in the early game. Selling 3 coins had a sizeable impact on coin price AND market volume. BUT you're not just going to keep that liquid lying around for a week in the new market. You're going to spend it so that you can make another sale tomorrow (or the day after if you're stockpiling). There will be fluctuations, but it won't be catastrophic. For every buy, there is an equal and opposite... sale? If you hold a significant amount of liquid by the time the day is over, you probably fucked up.

>>14924966
Sorry, brain fart. It's the equivalent of having ONE coin in the early game which, yes, still had a sizeable impact.

>>14924966
>>14925086
NTA, but you seem to have the same general thoughts about the current meta that I do, unless I am mistaken.
>I am worth a zillion times more than I was before.
>I can only buy 5 times as many coins as I could before.
>They're worth, at most, about 5 times more than they used to be.
It hasn't scaled up properly.

>>14924781
I'm not saying that volatility doesn't need to change. It absolutely does, and it's probably the quickest and easiest fix the devs can make. Just buff the adjustments, make the spread on dividends higher, make the buying/selling more impactful on the market. One of the big issues is that everything, absolutely everything is just same-y.
>>14924966
The solution basically disregards the past 8 months of gameplay. It's functionally not different from advocating for a reset. I do think that there has to be a way that involves large amounts of money, rewards prior information, and has high risk/reward ratio. I just think that rather than multicoin, it likely should be options - basically betting on a coin's worth within the timeframe of X days.

>>14924781
That first idea sounds kind of scary, but yeah maybe it could be fun. The second, maybe? Maybe it would be good? Tax needs a rework in any case. The zaibatsu works, but it shouldn't
And yes, it's probably futile.

>>14924781
Changing volatility is absolutely the best thing to do right now. I still remember rallying up a bunch of people to pump and dump suisei for the lulz

>>14925527
>make the spread on dividends higher, make the buying/selling more impactful on the market. One of the big issues is that everything, absolutely everything is just same-y.
VERY well put. I miss seeing one sometimes, seemingly random. anybody remember Kiara divs being top 2-3 times for what seemed like no god damn reason?! or why "BIG FAT DIVIDENDS" is Mio and not someone else?coin getting divs way off in the fucking stratosphere.
>>14925527
>It's functionally not different from advocating for a reset.
We can agree to disagree on that point. Multi-coin being implemented wasn't a reset. Adjusting gameplay mechanics isn't a reset.
>>14925739
Cheers, I/you/we tried.

>nobody called me out on stagflation being very much the wrong term for this
> It's an unnatural situation because inflation is not supposed to occur in a weak economy.
>In a normal market economy, slow growth prevents inflation. As a result, consumer demand drops enough to keep prices from rising. Stagflation can only occur if government policies disrupt normal market functioning.
We technically have the opposite problem. Growth is at times exponential. Demand goes up when players aren't ABAYOing. Government policies ARE disrupting normal market functioning by artificially limiting demand, which is still going up anyways. ABOLISH THE FED....THE BROKER.

>>14925527
It doesn't disregard 8 months of gameplay, it augments the current game to FUNCTION like it used to (day trading-wise). We will remain in our positions and nothing will suddenly change other than how we play. Saying that this is no different to a reset is, simply put, retarded. I'll be honest, I don't like options, I think things were just fine back then.
>>14925792
Exactly, and this multicoin thing will damn well help volatility.

>>14901160
I did a some write up on holonations here (>>12491819). The tl;dr of it was the broker fee was the income for each nation, which was used to fight other nations and offer benefits to its own members (the main one being a discount on broker fees).

The real tl;dr is Risu hat doko?

>>14926715
it'd help if you posted the hat when you asked. I don't think honk normally peruses mikofags mega

>>14925798
There's adjusting game mechanics, there's reworking game mechanics, and then there's completely changing game mechanics. The suggested idea falls under the third term, which is why I think that multicoin should be adjusted and a new game mechanic should be introduced to serve as the risky play. Daytrading should be made more viable (via multicoin expansion and additional volatility on adjustments + player volatility), and divvies should be made more volatile overall. For some reason the devs were extremely focused on just removing every single venue of profit you could have, every edge you might have had over others.
Another issue with that solution is neuron activation. You can absolutely play the game right now by just moving the same way market is moving and get into top 100 eventually. Unlike a real market, Nasfaq tends to move in only one direction.
>>14926711
The thing is, you're trying to look at the past rather than the current state of the game, which has developed much, much further. You want to return to the 'early days', which is why I am comparing it to a reset. You said you don't like options - but you never explain why, other than 'things were alright back then'.

By the way, don't get me wrong here. I think multicoin (especially multisell) should be reworked. Likely expanded into 10x or 20x and with more gradual taxes being put onto it, all with the goal of making swing-trading an option once again. I'm just trying to think of possible problems the solution might have to see if they can be avoided.

>>14924781
The taxes on multiselling are absolutely exaggerated. I don't remember how long has it been since I saw a coin adjusting +40%, and with the current taxes on multisell it would barely justify 2x selling let alone 5xing it. Maybe lowering it by half and removing the base 5% would make it more viable.

>>14927211
My biggest problem with the taxes overall is the 5% "base" tax as well, for what it's worth. The second biggest problem is the "additional" multi-coin tax applying to EACH coin instead of each consecutive coin. I know /vt/ is probably filled with non-burger children, but...c'mon. "I pay my taxes". And yet, many of my peers are so fucking stupid they don't fully understand that "being in the next tax bracket" doesn't raise your income tax on ALL of your income, just the fucking income that crosses the threshold...
>>14927196
First anon here - nobody has come up with a way to explain how options could feasibly work, and I suspect that's why devs have yet to implement it or unveil it they can't figure it out either.
My Old Thoughts: check the archive, I don't feel like finding it. "after hours trading" will lead you there.
Toilet Thought: Options could only work if you had to bet TWO days in advance.

>>14927211
I'll let you in on a little secret, just between us: in order for 2x multisell to be profitable the coin price has to increase by 66.7%, which hasn't happened in a long, long time. And even then selling at 1x would have been smarter from the long-term perspective.

>>14927964
Options aren't a thing because there is no real implementation for it that I could see feasibly work. Even your idea of multiple days in advance, it would just be waiting for an event like an anniversary and everyone would do it.

Like a bolt from the blue, it's time for the Numbers Review.
Data collected at Cycle #64.

Here's the R.I.C.H. report for today:
>Total Shares in circulation amount to 8,199,325, a 1.01% increase from yesterday's volume
>Average shares per coin is 132,247. There are 24 coins above this average.
>Calliope currently has the highest volume, at 536,538 shares, or 6.54% of market volume.
>Pochimaru currently has the lowest volume, at 23,693 shares, or 0.29% of market volume.

Top 5 Volume Increases (of 45):
>Chloe :: +11.6%
>Ayame :: +6%
>Shion :: +4.4%
>Matsuri :: +4%
>Mumei :: +3.9%

Top 5 Volume Decreases (of 17):
>Nachoneko :: -4.7%
>Ui :: -4.5%
>Ollie :: -1.7%
>Koyori :: -1.4%
>Fubuki :: -0.9%

1 coin (Pochimaru) had a net 0% change in volume today.
29 other coins not mentioned had a sub-1% change in volume today.


Here's the R.I.S.E. report for today:
>Starting Liquid is estimated at $133,012.49, which is an increase of 4.03% from yesterday's estimate.
>Total Market Value for today is $138,883,275,824.51, which is an increase of 9.9% from yesterday's Market Value.
>Average Value per Share is $16,938.38. A total of 13 coins are above this average.
>Calliope currently has the highest value, at $13,744,354,446.12 in total market value, or 9.9% of market value.
>Nana currently has the lowest value, at $133,460,161.60 in total market value, or 0.1% of market value.

Top 5 Value Gains (of 41):
>Nachoneko :: +48.3%
>Mumei :: +35.1%
>Fubuki :: +33.3%
>Marine :: +32.7%
>Subaru :: +32.5%

Top 5 Value Losses (of 21):
>Kronii :: -40.3%
>Chloe :: -28.4%
>Ui :: -23.4%
>Baelz :: -20%
>Lamy :: -19%

1 coin (Pochimaru) had a net 0% change in value today.
22 other coins had a sub-5% change in value today.


Here's the F.R.E.E. report for today:
>Today's Superchats totaled to $108,131,553, which is a decrease of 70.48% from yesterday's Superchats.
>The Broker made $129,200,710.52 today, a decrease of 3.83% from yesterday's salary.

Top 10 Superchat Increases (of 21):
>Shion :: +4.7%
>Pekora :: +4.3%
>Flare :: +4.1%
>Nabi :: +3.2%
>Ina'nis :: +2.4%
>Haato :: +2%
>Watame :: +1.9%
>IRyS & Ayamy & Sora :: +1.5%
>Amelia & Gura :: +1.4%
>Kiara :: +1.3%

41 coins did not receive any Superchats today.


Here's the M.O.V.E. Report for today:
>4 coins (Okayu, Hololive, Towa, Calliope) adjusted green, but are still trending upwards.
>1 coin (Pochimaru) adjusted red, but is still trending downwards.
>9 coins (Ina'nis, Lui, Aqua, Laplus, Miko, Ayame, Botan, Sora, Sana) adjusted red, but are now above their pre-adjustment value.
>1 coin (Coco) adjusted green, but is now below their pre-adjustment value.
>46 coins are on projected trend lines and have not intersected with their pre-adjustment values.

Top 5 Most Volatile Coins (per Cycle Average):
>Chloe :: $67.77 Up
>Fubuki :: $31.98 Down
>Kronii :: $28.25 Up
>Rushia :: $25.94 Up
>Marine :: $23.77 Down

Top 5 Least Volatile Coins (per Cycle Average):
>Risu :: $0.03 Down
>Pochimaru :: $0.13 Down
>HLuna :: $0.13 Down
>Nana :: $0.14 Up
>Ayamy :: $0.34 Up

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>>14927964
Options would likely only work if you bought an option for a period of, say, a week, and was locked into it two-three days before the expiration date, being unable to cancel in any way. During those 2-3 days you'd be able to 'cash out' at any moment, but it would influence the market since you're effectively buying/selling shares.

>>14927990
>spoiler
NTA but I have a secret for you too. The adjustment %s shown in the UI, actual 7th grade fucking math, are and have always been wrong. Granted I still don't think there have been any 66.7% upwards adjustment anyways.
One thing about 2x sales is that it lets you sell things FASTER which is completely useless because volatility is so low that it still isn't advantageous to finish all your sales in 12 hours rather than 24.
>>14928359
If "options" means "only put options" then yes. I thought they were considering calls though, not puts?

>>14928370
not like this...

The haatons drank so much eggnog they died.
https://litter.catbox.moe/8bawz0.mp4

I still need to find whoever had the bright idea to tell honk to add taxes and rape him

>>14928565
Devs, please, implement both puts and calls so I can engage in theta option strategies.

>>14927196
I look to the past because the game worked well. The base gameplay was leagues more fun than what we have now. I want to return to HOW IT WORKED, not reset the game. That is completely different, the whole point of not wanting the reset is that it'd remove all of the progress that we made, all of our efforts would be lost like tears in the rain.
Options would not be simple to implement. At least, it would be a lot more complicated than what I am suggesting. Basically, see: >>14928359
What exactly are the possible problems? We've already discussed the whole 'wacky crazy fluctuations' thing, what is there that would pose a problem that'd not be easily fixed?

>>14928696
What?

>>14928959
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>14928959

>>14929089

>>14929089
>>14929787
DATE CREATED: SEPTEMBER FUCKING 27TH

>>14929109
You are essentially advocating for the removal of all aspects of long-term strategy from the game. Stacks don't matter anymore when you can move tens of thousands of a single coin in a day, right before divvies. It also will completely devastate oshicoiners who held their place due to the inability of their wealthier rival to outpace them in buying. Their gameplay is also crippled since they can't benefit from moving all of their assets around, since they are bound in their oshicoins. Now, while I'm not really an oshicoiner, they do make up a portion of the game's playerbase, quite large in fact.
Swing-trading should be buffed. Sure. What you're advocating for is effectively removal of everything except for swing-trading, which is to put it mildly short-sighted.

>>14930386
I say this in earnest because you're replying to one of the game's oldest sovlful oshicoiners.

>>14929109
The early market worked so well exactly because it was in it's early stage, but now it's not in it's early days anymore and we need new ways to make the game more interesting, like adjusting the volatility and the multicoin mechanic.

>>14928561
Might work...
I also think options should be items that can be bought/sold at the auction house. The "second-hand" market for financial instruments is huge.

>>14930386
NTA but increasing multicoin is also horribly balanced against new players/poorfags unless a graduated tax system is implemented with each multi.

I think imma just make 50 alts and call it a company

>>14878066
Nothing worked...

Failed:
bows
boot
boots
light
magic
party
chill
frost
pine
yule
comet
angel
nicholas (hats only)
vacation (hats only)
workshop (hats only)
snowball (hats only)

>>14931147
>4 days to complete
time traveller san?

>>14930579
Reply to my point first, please. How do you justify curbing every single strategy and modern-day oshicoiners to fan the flames of nostalgia back when you were on top and singular coins were traded?
>>14930948
>spoiler
That's the idea. I'd even say that the devs should figure out how to make options just those second-handed instruments, since their prices can go wild and they are less vulnerable to large events (for example, a call on Ayame at 15k will be worth ~4-5k a couple of days before she streams because people know she will skyrocket.)

>>14930386
Think about it anon, sure you will be able to move around most of your stacks in a single day for some time. But after that? You will go back to having big stacks, excpet it's not thousand of coins but hundreds of thousands.

>>14930386
You think I don't oshicoin? I know the risks of what I'm arguing for, and I'm willing to take them. You don't oshicoin for profit, you oshicoin due to your dedication. I am dedicated to my oshi, and I will continue to hold her stack despite the disadvantage it brings. Again, to talk about old times, 'that's how it was back then.' You put yourself at a disadvantage BECAUSE you love your oshi. You're stuck in a low position on your board because you can't buy enough oshicoin? You're all playing with the same oshi. Play the game better. I cannot stress the importance of information in this proposed system enough. As for being stuck unable to move assets around, don't oshicoin as hard. Simple as. Cement your position, get enough capital, THEN oshicoin.

As for the abandonment of 'long-term strategy,' maybe what I'm proposing is a little too extreme. Perhaps for every 3,000,000 coins, the rate should be 100x. I won't settle for much less though. Like I said, the important thing is information. You should be able to do your daily things with stream information, and organise your dividends on the last 2 days with your accrued knowledge of who did what in the given timeframe. There is tact, there is effort, there is skill. Yes, long-term stacks won't matter nearly as much anymore. That's the point.
>>14931012
Not if you increase the starting funds, so long as you make decent purchases you will be able to make money much more efficiently than those at the top still. You will still need less time to buy and sell.
>>14931508
That's not me, you're replying to somebody else

>>14931358
that is all items are included

this one is hats only

>>14930386
You have never talked to or watched an oshicoiner then, I'd rather make losing plays and see people pass me up while I can only move 50% of my wallet than whatever the fuck is going on now
It's clear that what we have right now doesn't work, so yeah, fuck your long term strategy and stacks, I don't care, give a breath of life to this stagnant game, furthermore, any oshicoiner that does what he does because he's chasing profit or thinks it's the winning play is retarded, you oshicoin for love and soul, you don't care about financial gains

>>14932544
>you oshicoin for love and soul, you don't care about financial gains
based
deadbeats are cheaters though

>>14931012
Except it's not, and this argument has never been substantiated with numbers. Ever. And I have asked anyone trying to make that argument to back their shit up, and nobody has ever been able to. Screenshot this for next time.

The only real reason newfags are at a disadvantage right now is their starting liquid, which...actually, we are technically in a state of stagflation. Or rather, only newfags/poorfags are fucked in stagflation, directly because of morons crying about inflation and about how "poorfags will be at a disadvantage" whenever anybody starts talking any sense about changing gameplay mechanics.

"Starting Liquid" is your first and most important "paycheck" in this game, and it is more stagnant than Coco's channel. Allow me to illustrate...BBB love

>>14928370
>Starting Liquid is estimated at $133,012.49, which is an increase of 4.03% from yesterday's estimate.
>$138,883,275,824.51, which is an increase of 9.9% from yesterday's Market Value.
Completely ignoring the mic drop that's about to slap you in the face and only looking at what's right in front of you, the market as a whole is inflating twice as quickly as newfag's starting liquid. That's #1.
>>5682863
>Estimated Starting Money at time of writing is $65,218.78
>This is a 0.9% increase from the previous day.
>Total value of all assets in circulation is $1,154,624,975.23
Starting liquid has just about barely doubled. Do you want me to crunch the numbers on how much the market as a whole has risen in value, or do you want to concede?

>>14931508
I wanted to know who was arguing "for the sake of oshicoiners" while shooting down an oshicoiner that would have "the most to lose" in your hypothetical scenario. I have never been on top, but the game was far more fun when my trades had meaning. It also would hardly remove "long term strategy" or cripple modern-day oshicoiners.

Oshicoiners gain from this. Full stop. If the only thing stopping the person above you from overtaking your oshicoin stack was how many they could buy at a time, were you ever ahead? You could take the uber oshicoin pill and dump your entire liquid on oshicoins in one fell swoop to maintain your position. Oshicoining was never meant to be a "safe" play to begin with chumbuds, deadbeats, and ichimi notwithstanding

Anon did say that 300 was just a "suggestion" and not a hard number - they clearly drew an albeit simple graph that scaled linearly with total volume. Perhaps adding volatility scaling to the amount of possible transactions would sate you? ie. There is no cap on the total number of coins a disastrously terrible idea that crops up from time to time and would fundamentally break the game... but there is in fact a cap on the total number of coins that may ever be traded in a single cycle. Number of active players * something / something * something. Some dev probably has a better understanding of what #s would be appropriate.

Furthermore, you're completely discounting dividends. If you decide to buy 300 Nene per cycle, you are in fact making a long term play. A rather poor one that involves crabs.

Both (You)s lead to Rome here.

>>14931147
Maybe you are missing too many items, have you tried making other people rune the script? Maybe h-san or pudding since they have all the items?

>>14932111
Just increasing starting liquid doesn't fix anything. Increasing volatility and increasing multicoin means that buying 100x at 10k in a single cycle is more profitable vs buying 10x over 10 cycles with the price increasing per cycle. The poorfag is losing money in comparison. It doesn't matter how much they start with, what matters is if the margins are balanced.

>>14932967
but doctor... i am a deadbeat

>>14933093
nevermind i take it back cheating fuck easy mode bastard

>discussion about the gane and it's mechanics
>everyone is on topic, even the fucking fandead who never talks about the game
God I love this keep going

>>14927196
>there's completely changing game mechanics
If you think increasing volatility to match the levels from a few months ago is "completely changing game mechanics" you are beyond retarded

>>14933093
Fuck you

>>14933084
What? The whole point is that (if we're not having tax on multicoin) everybody should be buying at the maximum amount, and having enough starting liquid puts you at an advantage. You finish buying before everybody else because you are a poorfag (and you are able to buy at maximum BECAUSE OF THE STARTING LIQUID), thus your MPP would be far better than everybody else by the next adjustment (this is why MPP mattered back then). You will have, as a poorfag, made much more of an efficient return than the rich guy who bought 10x as much as you at the same level of multicoin.

Couldn't a reverse stock split achieve the same effect as multicoin?

>>14933084
The poorfag doesn't lose money though. The poorfag dumps all of their money on whatever is "hot" right away. Then they get off once everyone has stopped buying. Before taxes, and as a poorfag, I min-maxed my trades to the extent that I never kept >10% liquid. It was all in coins, didn't matter which coin. Buy red, sell green, sure, but also, and I can't stress this enough, "buy reddest. sell greenest. *****Start selling red with decreasing positive slope, move money into coin that is still increasing with more volatility.***** It's why Ina and Towa made me so much God damn money even though I never held more than 8 Inacoin long term and I never bought Towa. Coin goes red at adjustment, buy some all morning, sell it all in the evening because it's still going up, even if they didn't stream or had bad numbers.
I do slightly agree in that it needs to be capped somewhat, and still taxed somewhat FWIW. You're not arguing against "NO TAXES, NO LIMITS" - you're arguing against "the current multi-coin system is stiflingly overtaxed"
>>14934920
Kind of. It would also instantly increase starting liquid by an order of magnitude. You might be onto something.

I don't really have time to fully catch up on and rebuff every single suggestion in the thread because I'm busy working on games I'm actually responsible for not fucking up but I will chime in real quick to say that I've been on record as being for transactional volatility being buffed for literal months. That time honkler made Rushia move like $10 per transaction (or something like that) was actually good, just ahead of the time we needed it. The most volatile coins are moving less than $300 an hour, which was fine when coins averaged in the $6~9k range and going above $10k was reserved for hard-hitters like Gura or really rare moons. Now it's obnoxiously slow and 80% of the time a coin worth buying/selling will not intersect its pre-adjustment value even if everyone buys/sells it en masse.

>>14931936
Here, multicoin would be scaled with coin volume, so you would always be able to move those stacks.
>>14932111
>100x per 3,000,000
That means 270x right now. That's 38880 coins you can move in a single stack per day. There are only three players that hold stacks bigger than this, and they would be able to liquidate them in just two days if they wanted to. The fact that you don't even know what you're proposing speaks volumes about this idea.
You also suggest to increase the starting funds to several million, but then what about the people who don't have those several millions right now? Sure, this could be mitigated with giving a 'starting liquid' stimmy to everyone, but this feels more and more like a "solution" that is basically just a "reset".
>>14932977
An oshicoiner that would have "the most to lose" would be Watoto Dispensary, who would get out-oshicoined by Sneed if the latter wanted to.
Moreover, if you decide to buy 300x Nene per cycle but then sell her 300x the next day to buy a divviecoin for the divvies next day, you aren't making a long-term play.
>>14933770
I'm in favour of increasing the volatility to match those levels. I'm against a mechanic that basically slashes the zeroes across the board and continues to slash them as time progresses, keeping everyone in the 'early-game' state. What you should do is to address 'late-game' state with reworked/new mechanics rather than locking the entire gameplay at the same point for as long as the market operates.
>>14934080
I was about to >MPP but it's used correctly here, as you noted.

I'm about to make dinner, so I'm off the thread for now. I was called stupid, an idiot, etc. etc. but at least discussion about the game mechanics was had, so I'm content all in all. Think about the endgame and consequences of your suggested mechanic Nenenpro, and hone it further. I'll continue to advocate for shorting and options, but I think we all agree that 1) volatility has to go up and 2) something has to change finally, it's long overdue.

>>14935063
>I'm against a mechanic that basically slashes the zeroes across the board and continues to slash them as time progresses
But that's not what the anon proposed. Stop arguing in bad faith

>>14935063
>An oshicoiner that would have "the most to lose" would be Watoto Dispensary, who would get out-oshicoined by Sneed if the latter wanted to.
I myself would theoretically have a ton to lose. M didn't want to overtake me when he could've.
>I was called stupid, an idiot, etc. etc.
From a place of love.
Read above, >>14935005 it shouldn't be uncapped, and linear scaling with volume may not be the best ideabut that's semantics. I think you're missing the thesis of his argument for the minutia.
>>14935382
I don't think it's deliberate. It's easy to latch onto the "300x" part of the argument.

Honk you nigger it's Xmas break, either roll out the dogeza or at least say something you pig, I know you are here and that you have your shitty advent calendar post ready along with more shitty gacha updates no one asked for

>>14935674
I asked for them.

>>14932992
I am H-san...

>>14935979
What was the santa hat recipe?

>>14935979
man set a goal for himself and by god he attained it. you ARE the hat king.
>>14936379
suisei, ame, noel, towa, ayame SantaHat
'CalliopeHat', 'AzkiHat', 'ReineHat', 'OllieHat', 'LunaHat' Antlers

>>14936478
Arigato
I don't have all the required items...

>>14934920
Hmm, on second thought, it wouldn't be enough to fix things alone. Yes, it would increase starting liquid by an order of magnitude, but it's the exact same order of magnitude that the coins have now increased in value. It doesn't put newfags at any more or less of a disadvantage. Slashing zeros is only cosmetic. It only solves the multi-coin problems.
>>14937007
Really? What are you missing?

>>14935005
>Towa made me so much God damn money
>I never bought Towa
nani

Easiest option is upping volatility to some extent right now, as there is no reason why me 5xing Towa from 10k along with others buying her from a significant dip and then only reaching 11.6k nearing the end of the day after hundreds to thousands of purchases of one coin, it's the reason why the Brap cycle is broken besides the fact it ensures cheap/free coins, it's the fact you can benefit from it the entire day with others doing the exact same large amounts of multibuy, I swore I've seen 250 Mori being bought per cycle at some point and it still takes the entire day for her to hit her pre Brap price.

Other than that, there's new mechanics that should be added, which should offer high risk/reward, but there's not really any ideas/suggestions I've seen that would work that ensure that risk factor. Options with an early lock-in are basically guaranteed safe for major events due to inherent system called adjustments, and that's just ignoring the fact of how the hell you would implement that. I've stated in the past that I'm in favor of multicoin buffs, especially selling as earlier said that for multisell 2x to be truly profitable, it would need to adjust 66% upwards which never happens, more movement of money/liquid is the ideal here which ties back into the changing volatility where things happen a bit quicker.

That's all for me though, I'm not the smartest one to play game dev for other ideas though.

>>14935063
>Total Shares in circulation amount to 8,199,325
Blimey I thought it wasn't even half that amount, so yes it should be around 100 or maybe a bit less. My estimation was way off. However, that doesn't discredit the core idea. For those who will have less than the new starting amount, they can make a new account. It happened before, it can happen again. Not much is lost. It would only affect those new with the game, people who would only gain from this. I doubt that many would be mad.

The principle of what I want is to be able to move most, if not all, of your stack in a single day. You had slightly less cycles in the early game, but you would usually be done in a few hours. That was FINE. The amount of time spent buying was FINE. You could readjust according to new information throughout the day as well, which promoted extra use of the site. It also discourages setting an AI up to do your trades since it won't be able to plan ahead for stream announcements. Cheaters away. Long-term positions aren't inherently fun. In fact, they're one of the causes (or at least byproducts of a larger problem) of the boredom that we have now. Swing trading is fucking fun.

>>14936478
>Elf hat is 4 Hats
>Santa hat is 5 Hats
Honk is a fucking Scrooge that is blatantly trying to drag the market down by provoking completionists into blowing all their liquid on gacha.

>>14937202
All of them, I do not have many hats

Just turn nasfaq into an horror game, every time you buy a coin there's a 1% chance of a really loud and bright jumpscare.

>>14937394
>greentext
is jork, Towa was great for newfag pump/dump. and for hot kinky sex.
>Towa volatility
Quite right
>brap
Bit different, but yeah. She dips harder only sure about total $, not % than Towa when she dips. But everybody and their momma 5x-buying that shit. The volatility should scale closer to exponentially give us logarithmic scaling honkler. give us the clusterfuck.
>>14937444
Hi, I'm Anon, and I've spent $44.1 million on gacha
>hi anon!
>>14937714
>It's yours, check the auctions in ~10 minutes, listing them all will take time. Can't help you with Ollie, haven't got one myself, or AZKi, I either have one or none too.

>>14937444
Kinda sad isn't it? Honk gave up on fixing the game it seems, and now he only does gacha and cosmetic updates while aiming to drain money that way because he can't for the life of him fix up this shit

>>14938002
Eh don't bother listing. Unless others want this stuff. That many hats just for one png of a santa hat?

>>14938002
Stop horny posting about my oshi.
Not saying the two are the same in basis, but they basically deal with the same issue of being able to do the same thing of buying/selling a coin without repercussions, it's why overbought is a meme.

>>14938551
already listed suisei, ame, noel, ayame, calliope
eh. I guess someone will buy them
>>14938654
She should stop being so hornypostable.

i love towa
also genuinely interesting discussion, no personal experience though and busy

>>14938907
i don't remember writing this post

>>14915224
he now is
https://mega.nz/folder/8HhUTCDa#D6kaOQuORjfqIr3W2bJnrg

>>14938704
I will buy them! Kenzoku please do not snipe Towa hat thank you.

>>14940580
You're asking a lot from me. Why should I listen?

>>14940498
based

>>14918353
>>14918375
these have always been random fanart
derivative works etc. should cover it.
>>14918711
from my experience, as big as possible. Though I have made some tiny hats which made it in regardless.

>>14940580
Want the rest for the antlers too?
I wasn't able to list a Towa hat, I only have one left.
Here's where I'd put the rest of them. IF I HAD ONE!

>>14940661
I remember devchama saying in the aggie about trying to avoid derivative works when they were trying to add a decent NEKO hat.

>>14921993
put it in the mega with the other ones, honk is aware of that thing and actively pulls from there whenever he decides it's time for a new batch

>>14927004
oh don't you worry, he does.

>>14941004
good to know. I found this older risu hat on my computer. guess it was an earlier crop

>>14941078
>with the hair
i want to own my oshi hair too

>>14941154
only one acceptable for this is Lamy

>>14941154
Best Hat on NASFAQ (True)

>>14941202
i want the on topic discussion to go on so ill stop myself going deep in this one, maybe next thread

>>14941255
this one is only passible because it just looks like a tassel

>>14940694
I'm good with just the santa hat ingredients, thank you though.
>>14940640
IRyS is really quite stunning, I can see that she inherits quite a bit of beauty from her delightfully devilish mother.

>>14928986
you can thank the armchair devs for that one.
"Think of the newfags!" they said, consequently bombing daytrading into the ground. Inflation is still uncurbed with this measure which was supposed to "buy us a little time to come up with something"

The biggest problem is money spending (and its probably the reason why some people want or buff multicoin), once you reach a certain point in divs you just have to take bad deals which is horrible, no wonder yfp became a zaibatsunigga to not have to deal into shit deals.
You either fix this with better multicoin options or other ways to invest money, and no, more fucking hats in the gacha is not an investment, which is also why people are asking for options and other features, volatility changes (while being very welcomed) don't address the main issue here
And this doesn't even take into account the "I have stacks of 20k coins" thing

>>14941401
Fine, if there's a Towa hat and you're bidding on it, I won't interfere. I lost the 50/50 bet in my head of your response being the child one or how Towa hates IRyS as she didn't retweet IRyS's Palette.

>>14941401
Good news. I can list a Towa hat for you. Bad news, I can't guarantee that Harem won't bid an obscene amount of money on it. I have a cockamamie idea, if you're up for it. Keep those "ingredients" - the other 4 hats, handy. I bake a Santa hat, you list those 4 hats again, I bid an exorbitant sum on them - enough to allow you to outbid someone buying the Santa hat. We'd lose the 5% bid fee.
>>14941672
Or not. Congratulations, I'll list it now.
>>14941514
>Inflation is still uncurbed
We do not have enough inflation. The dismal state of starting liquid the average buy price of all coins reflects that directly.

>>14935061
i hope you are fully aware that this will make the leaderboard in the higher ups grind to a stillstand even harder if all you can buy without absolutely fucking yourself is like 30 coins a day.
To move at all I'm looking at 70-700 and that's with buying every opportunity over a fucking MONTH.

>>14935063
There is no 'late-game state', the current state is just the same game but broken. It works worse, it's less fun and less easy to get into. Locking the gameplay at the same point is fine, because the excitement is brought by daily events and not 'ooh let's add gacha' or 'ooh let's make things more complicated than they need to be.' This one fix will make every day different. You don't need a million different things to make the game fun, that's why hero shooters feel so gimmicky.

>>14940752
yeah have fun with that, all we came up with is this abomination

Answer me anons, it's been a few months now
Was the inflation real? And if it was, was it a bad thing? Was bogration 2 and overbought really necessary?
Because when I look back on it I kinda miss those days compared to what we have now

>>14941672
Splendid. It was a coin toss on my end too with how I wanted to spin it, guess I lucked out.
>>14941760
What incredible timing!

>>14942088
I think they meant this one

>>14941154
there's quite some hats which are just hair plus alpha

>>14942153
>Was the inflation real? And if it was, was it a bad thing?
EN2 clusterfuck related hyperinflation? Yes, it was real. Otherwise? No, the market needs inflation.
>Was bogration 2 and overbought really necessary?
Overbought is a joke anyways, it's not any worse than oversold remove them both and give players some more influence over coin prices. Bogration 2 and Bogration 1 were a mistake.

>>14941760
sure, let's eternally btfo newfags by making the number of coins to viably hold even higher than it is now (something something divvies returns) while their money scales on buying a single coin.

>>14941760
Damn, now I want to bid on the hat, but the hat will just be sacrificed for the Santa one, so I don't really mind.
Bit funny how the IRyStocrat wants the Santa hat though.
>>14941648
No one has ever said hats are an investment, Tako stopped doing it for a reason. Still in favor of those multicoin buffs, preferably selling ones as a change first.
>>14942153
Inflation was real, I doubled my networth due to EN2 fuckery in the top 50. I think it was a bad thing for it to happen all at that instant like it did, inflation in itself is fine due to the nature of the game constantly pumping more money. Bogration was rightfully put in place after EN2 to try and let the market calm down but now I don't really think it's needed as much.
>>14942172
yes i meant that

>>14942172
should've specified sluuuuurpneko

man, fuck mondays. I shall leave you with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtEWYe__nw

>>14942411
>let's eternally btfo newfags
You're probably my favorite nasfaq bro but this is demonstrably false >>14932977
We are the ones who benefit from the lack of inflation.

Honk pls add IRyS hat
https://files.catbox.moe/4ex9i9.png
https://files.catbox.moe/bapiwn.png

I just want the crab to end
Give me bog
Give me moon
BUT TAKE THE CRAB AWAY

>>14941910
Please don't disrespect me by presuming that I haven't at least considered doing basic math to see if it would actually help anything. I'm not saying "Make every transaction move the stock by 1% minimum", but right now there is zero player influence on the majority of prices since volume is so critically high. We have MAYBE 250 players splitting over 8 million shares. We're rapidly approaching the point where big movements in the market volume will straight up not register, and even shitcoins aren't hurt that much these days by getting PnD'd. I own fucking 13% of Choco and I can't influence her price at all. If I buy 5x all day I will barely move her 1k, if even that much.
What the game unquestionably needs is to solve the following two problems:
>Overinflated volume in the hands of individual players.
>Lack of feeling of player influence on the market.
Hell, there's a reason nobody cares about the zaibatsu, and it was pointed out almost immediately: "Is it even going to matter if a collective of a bunch of top players funnels their resources into a single player"

>>14942918
Please at some point address some of the main suggestions discussed in the thread, I'd love to hear your opinions Even though it will probably never amount to anything

This is a writing prompt
Riddle me this. You are a newfag, you make an account on December 13th at 8 AM, 6 days ago.
>>14558465
>Starting Liquid is estimated at $139,020.69, which is an increase of 5.7% from yesterday's estimate.
Complete the newfag's week.

I'd also like to point out that there's "more than one way to skin a cat".
>Allow inflation to go unchecked
>"shut off" bogration
>buff volatility
>buff divs
>etc.
There is now substantially less reason to buff multi-coin as drastically.

>>14943556
Buy Towa, it's what I would do.

>>14942580
I just read
>all that shit, by (you)
let's be real for a second.
You could boost starting liquid 10x 100x it would ultimately not matter. They will still not be able to just rise to the top 100 in a month, two months, half a year, simply due to time in market.
Now let's hyperinflate the market. Divvies won't catch up so there's your long-time-strat broken and that problem solved. So now top 50 still has about 50k coins lying around just inflating in value for free. If it's not viable to buy more of anything, you'd just hold and keep your rank because LOL networth is a fucking meme.

>>14942918
that's more a problem of purchase volume potential being as low as it is while overall volumes are only ever going up.
I forgot which problem we're trying to solve here, but we're surely approaching the void in any scenario, really. Players right now don't influence prices at all because the things they can do per cycle indeed just don't matter in the grand scheme. Wow, 5 coins dumped. Or 700 a day. It's nothing. And overall, for what purpose? The prices are hard-reset to adjustment values dayly anyways, how would someone benefit from pushing the price down what, maybe $2000 over the day?
I'm not disrespecting you at all here, I'm just voidpilled enough to say nothing matters much anymore and can't see how little tweaks will remedy that in any way.

Maybe I am too retarded. Look it's 5 in the morning here and I have developed what seems like slight narcolepsy over the last weeks somehow, not even coffee helps. Just write this off as rambling, still love you guys.

>>14943556
If I'm the same as when I started then invest all in Oshi/favorites, get bogged at next adjustment, take the day-trading pill and do a lambo rta%
If I'm the same as now I do the same as above, but skip getting bogged first day and add div optimization on Friday (which will be sold instantly after payout for more day-trading)

>>14943753
Get well soon mikobro, I hope your narcolepsy thing improves

>>14943684
>>14943875
Be more specific. "Buying Towa"...what? Right away? 5x? 1x? "Lambo RTA%"? You might be onto something.
I will entertain responses for an hour or so. There is a "correct" answer. People are arguing for/against newfags. I want to know if they actually know what they're talking about.
>>14943753
I want to read how you would handle your first week as a newfag too. How big was the gap between us when I started? Was the market saddled with bullshit like bogration and taxes when I memed my way up the leaderboard? All of these things cripple newfag trading strategies far more than they do ours at the top. It's not even complicated enough for me to have to spell it out.
Boosting new player's income by 100x would be a huge boon to whether or not they could rise quickly in the leaderboard if only because it closes the gap. Even with the taxes and the stagflation, they still earn at a higher rate than any of us ever could at the top, although that decreases with increasing networth. The coins being worth more extends the period of time those strategies are viable. The taxes being gone, at least on 1x buys and on 1x sells, makes those strategies viable to the people at the top again. And so on.
>Footnote
(*´ε`*)ﾁｭｯﾁｭ and picrel

>>14943556
Right now I would say the strategy is to buy IDcoins, scraping profits where you can get them and gradually investing those profits into bigger earners, like Mori's brap cycle. Actually, now that Sora is on a cycle, too, she can be used by newer players as an intro into Mori's cycle. She'll get less returns than Mori will, but a consistent up/down pattern is still profits.

The main problem with this strategy is that unless the market has some big dive somewhere, a new player will never be able to edge into the Top 100 in a reasonable amount of time. The market's too stagnant, predictable, and slow, meaning any big plays to make are ALSO being made by everyone you're ACTUALLY competing against, and probably in higher volume on their end. If Choco dives to even 5k, I can buy 700 without blinking, while lower-tier players wanting to make the same play would likely struggle to get a full day of 1x buys done. Choco is on the cheaper end. Nobody on Gura's oshiboard has to worry about anybody lower ranked than them edging in on their position, ever, and probably don't have to worry about higher-ranking players edging in without being noticed, either.

>>14944275
Mine was more of a joke response on buying Towa, there really wasn't a solid reason to buy Towa over that last week at all, there weren't any significant dips or upwards adjustments unless the newfag intends to profit off me buying a shit ton of Towa making it go up and even that would be miniscule compared to the Fubuki dips and moons she's been having and other coin adjustments. Realistically I would just buy maximum dips and trade depending on whether POI has those coins adjusting upward significantly for me to hold or to sell based off the passive increase in price of others buying. Rinse and repeat until div days and switch to coins I know that will have dividends, like Fubuki due to her Pokemans.
I started playing the game >seriously around the same time as you and climbed with you for the most part, y'know, I just didn't make many obnoxious posts until I was in the top 50. Fuck that NFL shit for a while man, seriously...
I've never really thought about newfags too much in my market statements to be fair, think newfags are bit fucked on if they want to get into the top 50 at this point realistically.

>>14944275
MY first week as a newfag?
Buy coins I like and then hope they go up, just like my actual first week. If I am allowed to read the thread I'd probably learn about calli soon enough and go hard into that shit. Meaning, what, 10-40 coins at the end of the week?
As for why you are more successful, I refuse to buy tons of Usada for instance. I refuse to open positions on coins I don't like. Might as well just buy more of coins I do like. It's not optimal, never has been. T'is the way of the crab. Only exception I might ever make to this is going harder into blondes and Reine for the booba rank, now that one is interesting.

>>14944275
You know what lambo rta% is
Holding liquid is for fags! Buy coins! Flip coins! Buy red shit again! Sell again! Wait! Market's hot right now! Buy! Buy! Buy! And now.... Sell! Sell! Sell! Oh no! You've reached a point where day trading doesn't matter anymore because you now have too much liquid, and even then, your now high networth means day trading is only a small % return! Take the divvy pill! Realize this fucking sucks and its not fun anymore! Become a Honk anti! Shill multicoin and schizo post about crabbing! Enter a menhera episode about quitting! Who knows where the future will take us now!
There, you even get a full timeline

>>14945242

>>14945068
>IDcoins
I'm only considering that first week, going from last Monday until divs, and basically until now, since it's almost Monday morning. e.g. you buy Risu after adjustment because she dipped. You planning on swing-trading Risu? Bad. She didn't move 5% that day intra-day trading.
>>14945090
I didn't realize we'd started around the same time. Does this mean that buying Towa is now empirically proven to literally halve your potential growth, considering the gap in our net worths?
The rest of what you've written is very close to, if not 100% on the mark.
>>14945151
I merely adopted the crab, you were in fact born into and molded by it. I kneel.
>>14945242
>You know what lambo rta% is
You know I know this, my account is literally a case study on it.

>>14945242
Where is part when the haatons bog the server?

>>14945642
That's the market's hot part I guess, for some it was coco's graduation, for others haato return, shion pump, en2, who knows, haatons bogging the server falls in there because it's a huge event that changes how the market and thread behaves

>bump limit
Welcome to /nasfaqg/ afterhours. Comfy hours. HAG HOURS
Majsoul Friends Room 79393(4-Player South): https://mahjongsoul.game.yo-star.com/?room=79393
two seats

>>14945581
We did for the most part, I essentially started a tiny bit higher than you due to me having an account for months, we were pretty close for the most part of it and I honestly set you as a rival for a bit because of that. You got ahead of me cause I didn't want to profit off of Coco due to my weird sense of morals. I would say oshicoining Towa does weaken your growth, though half might be a bit much, due to how suicidal I've become with my buying in the last few months. The Towa effect only really came into effect when we were in the KKK together and you just got enough divvies to slowly climb through it, whereas I had Towa dividends and have sat at 40-50 though it is largely thanks to Tower that I'm still here :^)
I mean, I know how to play the game I would like to say, I just don't really do so. Game's just not that fun as it was anymore for me at least, especially since getting into top 50.

>>14945242
i can hear pomu

>>14945877
>have to work in an hour hours
>still need to take a shower hours
>when the fuck will I get to buy flour hours

>>14948254
>>when the fuck will I get to buy flour hours
just pass a store on the way home, cant be that hard

>>14946324
>picrel
I have never been more envious of Towa in my life

>>14948753
I'm in year 2 of home office...

>>14948896
Do you not watch Maruyama? It's plenty of good fun with your oshi, though it might be because I enjoy Towa's dumb antics that I like it.

>>14948896
pretty jealous of Marine here myself

>>14948971

normally I fucking hate the idea of a public chat and I've been in countless chatgroups to say confidently that they always devolve into pure faggotry and other bullshit millennials are into like social activism but you guys are pretty cool here. Making it a weekend-only thing really is a good idea afterall

>>14949669
I like you too anon :)

page 10 alert

>>14951155
Based OC

>>14945877
One seat

>>14951155
good OC but would be better with Towa

someone make bread...

>>14951336
>>14951288
it's oooooooooold
>>14951155
>>14951322
>>14951288
picrel

>>14951500

>>14951500
I don't remember seeing it

>>14951536
ok newfag

>>14951581
Me not remembering something doesn't entail me being a newfag but have this (You)