/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

NUMBERROT!

Daily Chloe update: Sakamata Chloe now has $189,379 in total superchats and just 8 days after her monetization is the 110th most superchatted vtuber ever. Today she surpassed
>Mayuzumi Kai
>Machita Chima
>Hinano Ui

>>14839652
why does susan hate us

>>14840463
Shion got pretty good numbers, but she was one of the first to just blaze through the game in a few very long late night streams. As more and more Holomem played it, you could see the fatigue set in as numbers got lower and lower...except for Fubuki, who turned some bad luck into a goddamn goldmine. That never gets gold. Akai na~

>>14840526
Gura pays her to be biased for her.

>>14840526
Seeing Ludwig’s numbers and struggles with copyright has made me appreciate HL a bit more. His numbers are good but not insane and suddenly he can’t just queue up YouTube videos or master chef and react while being a friend surrogate for the Twitch crowd. Be curious to see what his numbers settle out to.

>>14840615
And Pekora is at 312M, not that far!

You guys think Pekora can beat Gura's 2nd Outfit numbers?

>>14840684
You mean get more than. 120k? It should be doable.

Let's see if Fubuki gets her usual Pokemon numbers today or not. That will show if something is up or not.

Anyone know how many hours fubuki has been fishing for her shiny? was a post earlier today of some twitch streamer who had 160 hours or something for one specific shiny.

>>14840626
The thought of Gura's potential numbers if she got to react to Kitchen Nightmare episodes is making me salivate. The clips would be insane.
The drawback would be all the other HoloEN numbers might suffer because of overlap since suddenly everyone will be able to stream many more hours and not struggle for content.

Watame just said that her current manager manages 13 people in total

>>14840715
What do you even mean she already get 34k earlier her numbers will be fine.

Nijimales culled again - dropped 2k in subs.

>>14840756
What the.
I thought they got more managers specifically to avoid that sort of thing?!

>>14840756
What the fuck

>>14840684
>70k+ announcement stream
>Huge daily CCV incline the past 2 months
>First costume in a long ass time and highly anticipated
There's no reason to expect Pekora will do worse than Marine (135k). The coomer buff Marine got should be the same as Pekora's "delayed costume" buff.
Probably won't beat Gura's VOD numbers tho.

>>14840756
??? how.. and why didn't they recruit a bunch?

>>14840684
Yes, but first outfit is totally impossible
Though I heard something about Pekora planning to make it a clip instead just so she doesn't have to show fanmade outfit to pad stream time and show outfit immediately

>>14840756
Sounds like a lot until you realize Hololive managers do fuck all and can probably do everything they need to within 15 mins for each girl

>>14840809
Hear it from the voices in your head?

>>14840785
>Probably won't beat Gura's VOD numbers tho.

The 2nd outfit vod? Its still in 990k right? I think its possible.

>>14840836
No, from /jp/, I just thought the idea is amusing and mention it
No way she's gonna do that

>>14840785
>Probably won't beat Gura's VOD numbers tho.
I dunno about that, do you mean long term? Because Gura's sitting at 990k for the second outfit so that's not particularly unbeatable.

>>14840519
110th already? jesas

>>14840756
Well it's not that out of reach if the one they manage are stream focus like pekora. Or they probably has different manager handling different stuff like stream, offline events, sponsorships, concerts, etc.

How can your whore compete with Arabs, first 10 minutes btw
https://youtu.be/0D0igTJBPHM

>>14840519
>tick tock senpai-tachi~

>>14840880
nigga marine's is still barely at 1M and that is 7months old

>>14840777
>>14840783
>>14840794
>>14840830
>>14840897
easiest (you)s of my life

>>14840863
Of course she's not going to do that, especially since she specifically mentioned showing fan guesses since that's not something she's done much of.

>>14840926
>males
ask nijifags

>>14840940
Pekora isn't Marine though, anon.

>>14840945
Anon.. that's not how (you) farm works...

>>14840940
Interesting, since Mori for example is at 900k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm7DGv7KnDY
Guess ENs do really get more VOD views (though Mori's was also 1 hour longer than a typical outfit reveal)

>>14840971
mind giving me another one?

>>14840945
being a you farmer isn't hard in /#/

>>14840940
I mean pekora prison outfit with 91k peak is at 1.1M already so its definitely possible.

>>14840963
Correct. Pekora has never reached Marine's ceiling.

>Now you guys know how powerful is debut buff
HoloJP is not suddenly declining just backing to normal
Pls don't get too hype when nijien males hit 5k CCV on their first week
I don't want to experience time loop again

>>14840945
Those are my (You)s anon, please do not steal them from me

>>14841033
they are mine now

>>14841033
Oh delicious. Time to steal, thanks for the meal~

>>14841025
>nijien males hit 5k CCV
??????????
I understand you guys see NijiJP having a demand for JP vtubers, but you're about to crash against the reality of "west wants waifus, will watch regular streamers for males".

>>14840848
>>14840880
Obviously depends on if Pekora plans to do a post-reveal chat and extend the stream to 2 hours, since Gura's ended just a bit over 1 hour.

Marine's 136k costume reveal stream was 1 hour too and is at 1.07 mil after 5 months and we all know Gura's VOD grow a lot over time.
The Jackbox Myth collab was 2 hours long and peaked at 42k, which is a pretty average HoloJP hype collab number, but it's at 720k views.
For comparison, this Fubuki shiny hunting stream peaked at 44k and is 4.5 hours long, but has the same VOD views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc6wr1dAK2o

>>14841074
I wouldn't surprise if they average 10k CCV on their first month, holobronie

>>14841106
You gotta keep in mind that Myth playing jackbox sounds like something people would indeed watch the VOD for, whereas "Fubuki fails to get the shiny this stream too" does not, meaning the VOD numbers there are from the CCV churn.

>>14841135
Only if they are actually good at games or comedy, and not be retarded autists homo fujobaits like their design and tweets suggests.

>>14841135
Oh yeah I'd love to see them average their entire subscriber base as CCV

>>14840519
Jesus, how much more does she need to get to the top 100?

Gura's outfit vod views grows pretty slow for gura's standard no?

>>14841182
>anon thinks a bunch of fuckboi vtubers are gonna be ludwig tier
Baffling

>>14840626
>>14840726
Can't cover ask for licenses/perms to stream masterchef/kitchen nightmares videos or generally just ay other videos and react to them? It'll get management to work more than to sit on their asses, not getting more game permissions. Every day I see NijiEN getting new games and it makes my blood boil. Gura asked for chivalry, and Selen played it on a member's stream.

Even for an SC reading, that's abysmal.

>>14841205
Gura's VODs tend to get buffed by her breaks, from what I've noticed.

>>14841244
you cant just pop random ass streams for SC spect people to show up. same case for chloe.

WAIT WHAT!?!
>Chloe taking a bath with her imouto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMJdRhXtlFY

Sasuga money sucking succubus

>>14841244
Everyone's views are half of what they normally are right now, something with Youtube is fucked I'm telling you

>>14841074
Maybe not 5k, but I can easily see the guys doing better most of the NijiEN girls even long term. People have been asking for males since NijiEN was announced. Hololive also has a bunch of people that say "I would watch Holostars if they were EN" and while a lot probably wont give a shit about Niji a lot of them might still spill over.

>>14841244
It's so bad that it took holostats 54 minutes to pick up the stream.

So hololyzer finished processing Chloe's stream and she got 1,526,800 yen in SC

>>14841333

>>14841318
Try to wrap your head around the fact that a male streamer with 5k average is something like motherfucking Cr1tikal.

>>14841244
Why do they keep doing separate SC reading streams? she had a zatsu some hours ago with 10k peak do it afer it.

>>14841238
They can but they won't because that's not how hololive works

>>14841374
Their manager hates money and makes them do it in a separate stream with SCs off

>pokemon gameplay 4k
>shiny hunt 40k
wtf is wrong with people

>>14841374
Iroha also had a 30mins aftertalk stream, something she could just do after the main content.

I thought Gen 6 are numberfags?

>>14841238
Anon, those type of deals cost millions of dollars.

>>14841356
Well Charlie isn't really a big numbers streamer, most people enjoy his uploaded content more. He easily gets 1-2 mil view videos within a day.
There's literally hundreds of male streamers that get more than 5k and historically, male streamers get much much much better numbers than females.
Holonumbers are at the top of the world for females already.

Ganbatte Pink Cat
Don't tell me you would lose to Lui-nee

More merch for Myth
https://twitter.com/Tsukumo_netshop/status/1471752021447307267

>>14841305
>Otakmori
Kys

>>14841421
This one is pretty easy to answer.
Watame's pokemon playthrough is like a month late and there's been a dozen Holo playthroughs already, whereas everyone wants to be there when Fubuki finally gets the shiny magikarp.
I wouldn't be surprised if Fubuki makes $30k+ in SCs when she gets her shiny. People are waiting to shower her with money.

>>14841490
The numbers of Myth merch literally is HoloJP's top tier now

>>14841517
Depending how fast it catches fire on Twitter, I expect 50k+ easily.

>>14841547
Not really. That's just a acrylic stand isn't it?

https://twitter.com/nakiriayame/status/1472227142679547906
Ayame stream tomorrow, potential bronze? (Gold being pekora new outfit and silver being niji Mario kart)

>>14841238
lmfao if Cover couldn't even get perms for Chivalry, in what world do they stand a chance in asking for ACTUAL streaming rights for copyrighted content?

The reason people can do it on Twitch is because they don't keep the VODs + Twitch is a big DMCA loophole.

>>14840756
Maybe her manager doubles as a branch manager. So Watame's mane-chan works with her directly while also being the contact point for the others in case something needs her input

>>14840980

>>14841547
Honestly, feels like the omocat collab already pushed them to that same level.
Do any of the HoloJPs have clothing design merch that isn't specially made by Cover for a milestone/birthday?

>>14841591
Who?

>>14841671
anon, the suisei converse stuff was less than a week ago.

>>14840949
>Not something she done much
I think this is her first time

>>14841683
Pekora.

>>14841591
Pokemon and she already started it off stream, even with the Ayame rarity buff there's no way surely? Pokemon is such a huge debuff at this point

>>14841591
She's planning to stream over the costume reveal isn't she

>>14841732
Doubt she'll get more than fbk shiny hunting stream.

>>14841472
even Rosemi gets more viewers. why is gen 6 a failure?

>>14841437
It depend tho
Big western AAA do not give a fuck about permissions rights, they have their own section on their website about their streaming guidelines. Follow them and you are good to go.
However, there are some western devs that are as autistic as japanese ones. Unironically Selen said she got denied a lot of game she wanted by the developers themselves, one of them is the mf garfield kart racing game rumao.
Japanese game...yesh those can cost money to get the rights.
I know Ame said the girls have requested games to management...but if we go from what we know they either lost interest by the time they got the green light or are afraid they may get another "The Witcher 3" scenario. The worst possible scenario is that the game they want is hold by the zhangs, like muse dash.

>>14841591
>Ayame stream tomorrow, potential bronze? (Gold being pekora new outfit and silver being niji Mario kart)
I don't know if bronze but that will push her median in the 40k with 4 streams. One more and she may take the month

>>14841671
Suisei star in the screen t-shirt and NePoLaBo sweater are coming to mind (because i bought both) and i am sure there is more i am missing

>>14841790
I was talking about streaming masterchef or any other show, not game perms.
Cover is clearly doing something wrong with their perms since they keep getting ignored.

>>14841671
Clothing isnt really that common in the idol circle which where most holo fall in. Singers are usually the ones who are more into clothing as merchs. Still tho, Gyari's VOMS clothing are the best designed chuuba clothes out there.

>>14841790
Many western indie devs literally don't even open the email because the entire concept of needing permission to stream something is so mindboggling to them that they assume it's some type of scam or prank

>>14841828
When did ANY Holo girl simply streamed someone else's content and reacted to it?
That is more of a Twitch meta (and a lazy one at it) than a Youtube meta

>>14841745
Nah, but Suisei probably will.

>>14841790
What happened with Witcher 3 again?
IIRC Ame just got tired of backseating + lost interest in the game.

>The worst possible scenario is that the game they want is hold by the zhangs, like muse dash.
Ina would be even more unleashed if she could stream more gacha games like Genshin or Arknights and stream her rolls.

>>14841854
I know you are shitposting but she has VILLS tomorrow

>>14841745
Imagine if this whore and Suisex start streaming at 20:00 just to overlap with Pekora without having to start at the same time as her ahah. No way that'll happen, right?

>>14841671
Mio hoodies, Ayame shirt and i think a hoodie as well (that one might have been a celebration fuck if i can keep the track with her) and what >>14841815
mentioned

>>14841745
I hope not. Just let my bunny show her outfit in peace ffs

>>14841904
>>14841881
Also
>Suisex
I should've ignored you

>>14841853
Watchalongs, anon. You know, the thing that tanks Ame's median every month.

Not saying they're the same ofc, but they're not adverse to streaming reactions to content. They just aren't allowed to.

>>14841955
>Not saying they're the same ofc,
It's not the same. There is nothing preventing them from doing a "Masterchef" watchalong in the same model as they do movie watchalongs but what Twitch blokes to do is to put the actual content on screen, which to my knowledge no Holo girl ever did

>>14840626
This, honestly, is why a mass exodus from Youtube to Twitch will never happen.

Completely disregarding Youtube's failure to create an easily-searchable feed for live streams, sort, filter, etc. the simple fact is that if people can't stream the same kind of lower-effort content that fills Just Chatting without fear of DMCA killing their channel, they'll never make the jump. Mixer *maybe* had a chance to have become an actual Twitch competitor if they hadn't made so many baffling decisions along the way and their timing had been different, but Youtube is genuinely just a different category of content for its platform and most of the people who use Twitch to stream genuinely could not do the same content on Youtube even if they wanted to.


For me that's fine since most of that react content is shit I couldn't care less about, but it does put Youtube livestreaming in a weird spot.

>>14841867
Gewnt fags happened anon
Gwent fags

>>14841867
imagine the yab explaning why she have works in those games under a different name.

>>14841986
>from Youtube to Twitch
Whoops, from Twitch to Youtube

>>14841984
>what Twitch blokes to do is to put the actual content on screen, which to my knowledge no Holo girl ever did
Yeah, because they're literally not allowed to lmao.
If youtube can DMCA your stream now when it's still live because the copyright bot catches the music, re-streaming copyrighted content is impossible.
I think even if they don't show the video and just have audio playing it's still not allowed.

>>14841984
Kiara once in a while did mini watchalongs of videos she was interested on.
She just pinned the link and then gave the order to start.
Like not too long ago she did a watchalong of a jpop group concert's performance.
Oh, and Ame did a watchalong for Council's second PV.

>>14842062
>Yeah, because they're literally not allowed to lmao.
Duh, that's a take as retarded as
>people can't just barge into a clothes shop, put the clothes in a bag and leave

Of course they can't, it's not their to take.

How can one call himself a "content creator" if he doesn't create his own content or ask permission from the actual content creators to use their work in his own?

>>14841986
It's only a thing on Twitch because they do the bare minimum to enforce any sort of DMCA until the copyright holder notices. This was the case with music until they got their ass reamed by the music industry.
It's bound to bite them in the ass in the future the bigger they become.

>>14842049
They did fine anon. Though to be fair this was before they added Charlie to Arknights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEiVBJ0RuBE

>>14841984
>>14842062
This does make me wonder; is there ever a world where you could see a company or small production company do a sponsored watchalong? Give the chuuba permissions to show the content onscreen for the watchalong and use it as advertising for future episodes or videos?

I could see some of those online originals doing this kind of thing, like when Youtube tried to start doing their own TV-styled series with Youtube content creators.

>>14842098
>She just pinned the link and then gave the order to start.
That's not what's being talked about, anon is talking about putting the actual content on their screen, like in the current twitch "react" meta.

>>14842049
There's no yab because Ina's roommate is extremely uncontroversial and has had almost no presence ever since she debuted.
Also, anyone who is a hardcore fan already knows her roommate anyways. Gura and Kiara's roommates are way more potentially yab and Kiara still posts daily on her roommate's accounts.

>>14842049
anon she's a streamer not an FBI agent, she'll be fine.

>>14841984
>Well akshually gura reacted to a clip compilation of herself during the stream on her 1 year anniversary with the video playing live on stream.
Now that my faggotry is out of the way, reaction type content is one the reasons why some people don't restpect twitch streamers since its unironically the laziest and most popular content they can produce. They can be a fun from time to time but that only happens when the guy is knowledgeable about the video or if the video isn't even there.

https://twitcasting.tv/nazuna_kaga
VSpo are twitcasting right now as a group and I'm pretty sure it has the most viewers on the platform at the moment, with 5.5k.

>>14842148
>is there ever a world where you could see a company or small production company do a sponsored watchalong?
Didn't Mel just recently got sponsored to watch some anime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PrcOm1xnjM

(They forget to put her channel on a whitelist and she got striken mid stream kek)

>>14842185
>Gura and Kiara's roommates are way more potentially yab
there is literally no one left on the planet that doesn't know who Gura's roommate is

>>14842237
>at the moment
Those are the operative words because Kanae gets in the ranking consistently with his Twitchcasts (10k+)

>>14842158
At this point you are just being retarded
Everyone knows higher corpo vtubers can't put the source of their reaction during a live stream on youtube due the copyright bot. Even Pewdiepie is afraid to do that
Smaller ones can do that but until a certain point:
https://youtu.be/WVJ5NcgGO3k
Are we being raided by the twitch shillers again?

>>14842237
>I'm pretty sure it has the most viewers on the platform at the moment
Nah.

Why is HoloX doing these shitty SC reading streams?
I just don't get it.

Is Laplus the only one that's not doing them?

>>14842247
Wait isn't this literally the type of content we're talking about? Watching something on stream and reacting to it.

There's still no chance in hell an western corporate gives Holo perms/sponsors them to do it, but I'm surprised someone did.

OH BTW the niji homos lost another 2k just now
from 17.4k to 15.2k

>>14842366
>Why is HoloX doing these shitty SC reading streams?
They desperately want to clear their queue out of loyalty for the ones sending the SCs.
Council didn't care about doing it and everybody saw the result.

We making a soccer team or what?

>>14842366
To get the gachikoi hooked so they keep akasupaing every stream.

>>14842434
How does it feel knowing Selen is gonna pass Sana soon?
>muh council
what a failure

>>14842384
Not even the first time.
SE gave Pekora/Noel permission to restream their Dragon Quest announcement streams.
Of course, these are all official/sponsored things. So it's a little different from normal react content.

>>14842434
kek, Susan takes no prisoners

>>14842148
That's already happened, Mel/Gura/Ina with anime, Towa/Roboco with R6S are some just off the top of my head.

>>14842472
Except for Gura.

>>14842459
in subs? slene still has a long way to go

>>14842459
>Soon
Any moment now she's just going to materialize 50k more subs, sure

>>14840926
>tripled coco graduation numbers
why are vtubers such smallfry bros? what went wrong?

>>14842446
that was the last I heard about it

>>14842366
Doing SC reading streams is like paying taxes for the longevity of your channel, because at the end of the day, your gachis are your most diehard fans.

It would be shortsighted to assume debut-buffed numbers are going to be your numbers forever and neglect fostering a hardcore fanbase.

But yes, as content, it fucking blows and the world would be better if every Holo didn't do SC reading streams. I'm a fan of the Gura special of "reading 20 supas after a stream and letting the backlog stack up so much that you pretend you're up to date".

>>14842495
Apex is going nowhere, meanwhile Sana is dead in the water.

>>14842484
>Gura/Ina
What are you referring to? Because no, they did not give them perms to show the content, just sponsored them to do a watchalong (which is baffling desu)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMBUJnHSPts

>>14842496
Still can't beat sports, I suppose.

>>14840926
>started streaming Dec 2
Did anyone tell them youtube doesn't keep VODs over 12 hours? KEK

https://playboard.co/en/live/top-viewing-all-live-in-worldwide
Fubuki at 10th place.

>>14842520
They don't need seperate strean for SC reading they can do it after the main content.

>>14842591
She's jumped to 7th place now.

>>14842512
>>14842446
Wasn't everything settled ? Or has the anon who started the whole thing bailed?

>>14842669
I have not heard a single thing about it since so, you know

Has any HoloJP mentioned anything along the lines of a 3D Christmas live this year?

I know Ayame and Kanata kinda hinted that they have another 3D event coming soon where they'll be collabing, but with so many Holos getting 3D Santa outfits, it feels inevitable that we're getting some sort of 3D Christmas event.

What kind of numbers are you all predicting for Gura’s meme review and Mori’s tea talk?

>>14842724

FBK 40k

>>14842767
She's cute and reminds me a little of Luna. I bet they both would be good friends and have great collabs!

>>14842656
6th place now!

>>14842759
20-30k for the meme review since Coco was always buffed by it being LE REDDIT MEME REVIEW, not just by being meme review
Maybe 20k for Mori if she catches a funnel

>>14842767
based bully panda

>>14842520
>But yes, as content, it fucking blows
depends on the holo

>>14842724
like >>14842811 pointed out the Nene one
there is also a Mel and Choco party with guests

>>14842699
Ah, registration starts on the first of January and ends on the first of February.He might be on top of it or not, we'll see once registration opens I guess.

>>14842811
Thanks, 4 days ahead huh...
I wish they'll do a big ensemble Christmas event on the main day so we have something to compare to NJU this year.
Would be cool if it can surpass Marine's 135k 3D lives.

Wait please don't fucking tell me that FBK started her pokemon stream before midnight again

>>14842595
maybe youtube algo stuff? watch time is important and videos with full watch time get pushed better.

The Sony cunny is earning more than Luna lmfao

>>14842888
Kiara’s sc readings are great for second screen viewing and pretty entertaining with bits of behind the scenes info and tangents. Overall it’s still crap numbers but as a fraction of her peak they seem decent and it does rack up the hours watched which the algorithm and premium seem to care about. So while it kills average ccv it cultivated gatchis and racks up watched hours. Kiara does surprisingly well on those metrics compared to her median of peaks

>>14842839
https://playboard.co/en/live/top-viewing-all-live-in-worldwide
Up to 5th place!

>>14842958
she did. we need to pay attention if she is doing it with other streams as well. might be some strategy to negate the waiting room cull

>>14842724
>Ayame and Kanata kinda hinted that they have another 3D event coming soon where they'll be collabing
That should be Towas anniversary that Towa leaked a while ago.

I tuned in for KING's stream and got this ad.

>>14842534
I'm struggling to find it now, but I distinctly remember some official dynazenon channel somewhere uploaded an edited video of their reaction with the footage.

Honestly I don't know why they are debuting wave 4 on Christmas weekend, this is literally the worst time to do anything big for north america because everyone's busy with preperations for Christmas

>>14842992
lunaitos already gave her 1k in her memeber stream she did before

>>14842996
you are talking about numbers (which makes sense in #) but the anon i responded to talked about it as content and there are just several holos who turn sc readings into fun zatsus

>>14843022
can you do me a favour and grab the channel name too, it'd be great for a baitpost

>>14843022
sasuga organically growing audience

>>14842992
Nearly $8 for every viewer is a crazy ratio, wouldn't be surprised if she got a few gachis

>>14843003
Why does she always fucking do this? She streams an hour later just yesterday.

>>14842952
they're doing a relay

>>14843060
Anon...
The title has Fubuki's name on it as well as Hololive. That should be good enough.

>>14842148
>>14842484
Nene did one too, for the Idoly Pride anime.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8CYc1YKeos

>>14843022
God, Nijisanji is just such a poor name for an international company, when you think about it. It's so explicitly Japanese that no matter what market you enter or where your talents come from, it's clear that it's foreign.

>>14843166
in order to make a good baitpost you want the bait image to convey the point as clearly as possible, if they have to pause to parse the image you're doing it wrong.

>Fubuki at 40k with another fishing stream
>Even turned off for a while her live 2D and stopped talking but still kept viewer retention.

It's fucking crazy how powerful this is. Only limiter now is the Pokemon permissions or catching the magikarp itself. I wonder how long it would keep up if neither of those events ever happened? the world may never know.

>>14843195
how are the HW charts looking like? numberbunny still mogged?

>>14843136
it seems to be done with some reason. it happened several times and is always around 3 minutes for some reason

>>14843166
You'd be surprised at how many people can't even recognize kana.

>>14843187
Mmmmm, true....

>>14843223
probably cause her intro/waiting time is about 3 mins so the content starts on the hour

>>14843177
I don't think that in particular is a reason.
They just didn't want EOPs + Like that one JP guy said, flooding the market kinda diluted the "prestige" of being in Nijisanji that the 2017-18 members had. When everyone's in Nijisanji, no one is.

>>14842851
“Meme review’s” appeal comes from the fact that PewDiePie is the person who first popularized that style of content, not because it mentions Reddit.

>>14843177
It made me think of Niji and Sanji from One Piece when I first heard it.

>>14843233
>>14843166
>>14843060
you know what, nevermind, I edited it myself.

>>14843268
Anon, Coco's meme review was explicitly reviewing memes about hololive, with holos, from the hololive reddit. It's not the reddit part that is necessarily important, it's the "memes fans made about us".

>>14843177
Yeah, what the other guy said. Being foreign isn't necessarily a drawback, alot of people are drawn in to hololive specifically because it is foreign. It's just Nijisanji that failed to capitalize on that

how can chumcucks compete?

>>14843354
Only the ones made by Reddit fans.

>>14843217
No way Pekora can catch up to FBK this month. FBK have like twice as much as her atm

>>14843195
>At least 20 33-40k streams in 23 days
Have we ever seen a buff period as strong as this since the CCV change?
These are Nov 2020 Gura numbers.

rent free

>>14843378
Okay? Anyway, the point was that Gura's meme review is not gonna be that big of a deal.

>>14843375
and people think baseball is the most famous sport in the world

>>14843475
Not people, burgers

>>14843410
No way none of them can get at least half her total hours viewed from this year either, Pekora got a shitty month with all the shilling streams/ days off/ Shitty mobile games in December. The only memorable streams were her against Cynthia at 76k peak and her announcement stream at 69,950k. Everything else was garbage compared to what she usually does. Maybe she'll incline a lot after her outfit reveal, but she certainly won't be able to catch up to Fubuki's numbers from this month. She's already the top female streamer this year if we don't count that whore from twitch, I consider this to be a good enough win as a Nousagi.

>>14843504
not even burgers think that, the sport is dying there

>>14843354
Yeah and? That’s literally the same exact thing PewDiePie does. It’s the entire reason why his main subreddit is called r/pewdiepiesubmissions because he created it for the explicit purpose of doing meme reviews.

>>14843632
kson's meme reviews are 1000x better because she had to use "tame" content from reddit before.

>>14843217
Yes, number bunny is almost certainly getting mogged this month. It will be the first month in almost 2 years that Pekora is not going to finish #1 in hours watched and it came from a most unexpected source. I always assumed it would be Miko or Marine who edged her out. Instead it was Fubuki who didn't just edge her out, but absolutely destroyed her. Insane month.

>>14843726
Peko Peko, meet Poke Poke.

>>14843375
I don't give a shit about numbers anymore, thanks for this wake up call

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>69,242: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>40,422: Fubuki (Hololive)
>38,693: Fubuki (Hololive)
>34,246: Fubuki (Hololive)
>32,943: Laplus (Hololive)
>32,013: Iroha (Hololive)
>26,672: Chloe (Hololive)
>25,936: Pekora (Hololive)
>23,769: Subaru (Hololive)
>23,205: Gura (Hololive)
>22,995: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>20,443: Marine (Hololive)
>18,567: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>18,511: Subaru (Hololive)
>18,189: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>14,174: Koyori (Hololive)
>13,446: Mumei (Hololive)
>13,085: Koyori (Hololive)
>12,116: Shigure Ui (Indie)
>11,389: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,258: Korone (Hololive)
>11,016: Botan (Hololive)
>10,651: Flare (Hololive)
>10,376: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>10,164: Fauna (Hololive)

>>14843904
2 IN A ROW, BABY! LET'S GOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>14843904
>40,422 Fubuki
>38,693 Fubuki
>34,246 Fubuki
I fucking KNEEL

>>14843904
>40,422: Fubuki (Hololive)
>38,693: Fubuki (Hololive)
>34,246: Fubuki (Hololive)
Jesus

>>14843904
>Pekora already about to beat the new gen
>before a costume
tick tock, gen 6

>>14843904
Only Fubuki can beat Fubuki

>>14844015
Anon, can't you see that there is Nijisanji in the list above her?

>>14843904
x19 Hololive
x5 niji

which one has tournament here???

>>14844066
so whole company to beat one holomem

>>14844068
The tournament was actually a debuff for Lize.

Looking at Chloe karaoke numbers really show she has potential if i was her manager i would hav here finished off Pokemon and Undertale as quickly as possible and have play some actual buff games

>>14843904
>FBK taking Silver and Bronze
>Gura pushing King out off the top 10
>the only niji in the top 10 is the main channel

>>14844068
Obviously niji they struggle to get more than 3 stream in 10k rankings.

>>14843697
I hope you don't actually believe that.

>>14844107
ib4 we have to add "tournaments are a debuff" to the Nijicope list

>>14844153
That's the most amazing and absurd thing. ZERO people would say Kuzuha would be trailing Gura on a regular ass shill stream even 2 months ago.

>>14843726
Can she even be called number bunny anymore? Shouldn't friend be called numberfox now?

>>14844167
tempting, but the nijicope list is already pushing 3k characters and I wouldn't want to overload it

>>14844100
Man i really showcase how much Niji has decline if they need massive tournaments to even be relevant anymore in term of numbers

>>14843904
I find it funny that Koiking FBK sets a retardedly high bar to get gold and somebody still manages to beat it

>>14844167
Not even a Nijifag.
Just found it funny how solo streams she's a consistent 10k+ but in a tourney it just killed her viewership.
Meanwhile it increases the viewership of the shitters while the main channel gets a big boost.

>>14844227
We won yesterday without a tournament, holobrony.

>>14843904
I'm not patient enough to do this but when was the last time Nijisanji had more in the top 10 than Hololive?

>>14844191
Not a regular shill stream t b h. It's one that has her original song + herself voiced as part of a collab. That's a very unusual shill situation, and at minimum pushes it to neutral and POTENTIALLY buff, since it's also a rhythm game.

>>14844303
Congratulations, here's a (you) for effort

>>14844329
I'm going to guess the day of or after Bloom (?) when almost every Holo took the day off.

where the hell is the frame for the outfit of the bunny? for the title numberbunny she sure is making some rookie mistakes on maximizing her numbers

>>14844303
I think Haruka's 25k is the lowest 3D debut to date, which is impressive after Hajime's stinker last month.

idk how it's even possible that Haruka got more viewers for her Koshien-buffed streams than her actual 3D debut. It's actually fucking wild how big the Koshien buff is and it did nothing for her in the long run.

>>14844303
>3D debut
If Niji didn't win yesterday, that would be a shame.

>>14844370
She was never a pro numberfag. Pro numberfag are people like Chloe

It's 2:20 AM in Japan and FBK still has 38k viewers just fishing.

>>14844416
Based numberfox.

>>14844416
Well as long as she get enough sleep, otherwise it's not worth it

You know, since JP's basically never turned off sc's for readings before gen 6. It might be the superior sc gaining method for JP's if this trend continues with Chloe. Unintentionally, she's basically edging her most loyal views with being charismatic in sc readings and then they unload on her with sc' when they actually open the next normal stream. Sure she wont get those moments when gachiko's "troll" her with a bunch of sc in a middle of a reading, but it seems to be paying off. Wonder how membership is gonna effect her though, one way or another.

>>14844370
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdbyEgDmf1g

>>14844390
Hey, be nice. She's never gonna get near that number again.

How is the Selen vs Sana battle going?

>>14844601
? she'll probably get it next koushien

>>14844612
Selen is winning

>>14844329
>I'm not patient enough to do this but when was the last time Nijisanji had more in the top 10 than Hololive?
Here is the full list of Top 10 (between Hololive and Nijisanji only as those are the ones I can query)

Out of the 152 days on Mado's record

> Nijisanji has 12 days with more streamers on the top 10: 2021-07-22, 2021-07-23, 2021-07-24, 2021-07-26, 2021-07-27, 2021-07-28, 2021-08-04, 2021-08-07, 2021-08-08, 2021-08-18, 2021-08-19, 2021-09-26
> 18 days ended up in a tie

And Hololive took all the other 122 days, with 9 of them being 10-0: 2021-10-02, 2021-10-12, 2021-12-06, 2021-12-07, 2021-12-11, 2021-12-12, 2021-12-13, 2021-12-14, 2021-12-15

>>14844462
I think she's doing well despite it not because of it, the Evil God Korone stream where she read supas for 5 hours netted her $25k, most of which came from the reading not the game

>>14844612
Sana is winning

>>14844473
>98 waiting
It's all over bro.
>>14844462
I just don't get how they can get so used so quickly. I thought this sort of thing took a few weeks to a month to build up.

>>14844637
I hope you aren't joking, where are the fags that said that it was never going happen? I probably should go in the archive and grudge post their asses.

>>14844612
vs is winning

>>14844661
Here is the last day Nijisanji took more positions on the Top 10 than Hololive
Ironically Noel took the day unexpectedly against NijiRock

>>14844714
I remember that. That was a fun day. Noel the Nijirock slayer.

>>14844714
Damn I love Sankisei

>>14843904
one would expect better numbers from a tournament relay

Gura's vod views have dropped like 50% compared to 2 weeks ago. What happened?

>>14844661
Funny how most of the stomp were this month.

>>14844714
when SOUL won

>>14844714
That was a loaded day that so many streams ranked.

>>14844661
July was the Edengumi buff and august was the Koshien buff? Also the top ten has gotten extremely lopsided as of late.

>>14844612
>How is the Selen vs Sana battle going?
Sana is still ahead: 2991 median vs. Selen 2888 (for the month of December so far)

Moona is ahead of both with a median of 3348 and is currently the highest ranked of the minor foreign branches (HoloID, NijiEN, NijiID, NijiKR)

>>14844776
Her VOD viewers were higher back then because several buff games+ drought of streams. This is also assuming you're ignoring the Myth collab and outfit reveal VOD as a "doesn't count" or it makes no sense.

>>14844661
I love you chartanon, but for the love of god change Holo to blue. Makes no sense that a company with blue logo has a red color.

Just caught up on today's archives, fyi if HoloEN are counterprogramming Nijishits thats probably coming from JP management
i know most of you are newfags but back in the day Holos always counterprogrammed big niji streams, anytime they had something big going on Aqua would stream over it and every time they had a 3D debut hololive would have a 3D Live

>>14844776
but they aren't?

>>14844799
Why is NijiEN a "minor" foreign branch when it's Niji's best foreign branch? Just because they're not HoloEN doesn't mean you can toss them in the ID bin.

>>14844776
>Gura's vod views have dropped like 50% compared to 2 weeks ago. What happened?
It did not.

>>14844776
She started streaming again. VOD views tend to increase when chuubas take a break because people are starved of content.

>>14844874
Holoid has consistently better numbers than Nijien.

>>14844873
they are in my head

>>14844874
because they perform on the same level as HoloID, next question

>>14843177
there is many factor why nijisanji didnt take off overseas but it's name is definitely NOT one of them. A quick check on most popular companies will tell you that people love foreign sounding names. Heck, some even think that if it doesnt sound foreign or exotic it's bad.

>>14844776
>make statement
>provide no numbers to support it
>what happened!
Many such cases ITT

>>14844874
>Just because they're not HoloEN doesn't mean you can toss them in the ID bin.
HoloID actually outranks NijiEN in size of audience.

>>14844853
I only see Mumei doing an xmas karaoke over the Niji debuts. What else is being streamed?

>>14844894

>>14844898
Not if you pretend that NijiEN is actually 10 Selens and no Selen + 9 midgets.

>>14844913
NTA but Nijisanji doesn't really strikes me as a good name like Toyota or Toshiba, it just sounds awkward.

>>14844898
>>14844910
HoloID still are titans in terms of view for the vtubers industry, that comparison dont make any sense

>>14844921
My point is that Nijis don't have a stronger branch. This is their nr 1 foreign branch, so being categorized as a "minor foreign branch" for Niji is wrong. Not that they beat HoloID.

>>14844921
IRyS got sacrificed in order to increase Council.

>>14844968
If HoloID is considered a minor branch then so is NijiEN, that;s how it works

>>14844910
False, Holoid perform better.

>>14844943

>>14844966
it`s the n`s and j`s. You could guess they sound spic or searegion just as much as japanese

>>14844921
holy battle of midgets kek

>>14845003

>>14844980
IRyS is busy with VSinger reps. Streaming consistenly gets her consistent numbers, failing to do so fails to do so.

>>14844969
>My point is that Nijis don't have a stronger branch.
The only reason I call them "minor foreign branches" instead of "foreign branches" Is because HoloEN is also a foreign branch but for obvious reasons can't be together with the rest in any meaningful comparison

>>14844935
For all scheduled HoloEN streams (+chammers)
https://teamup.com/ksua2ar4zft49pdn7c
Currently, nothing else is scheduled ON the debuts besides Mumei's karaoke overlap, but who knows if someone drops something right on top in the next 24 hours.

>>14844962
At that point you might as well pretend that holoid is only 6 Moona and NijiselEN would still lose.

>>14845030
I was joking.
It looks like Holomyth is getting near their pre-cull numbers peak.

>>14844921
holoX sc reading tanking JP, watame was enough why u gotta be like that newbies

>>14845079
It's only because of the new outfits, the buff, sadly, won't last that long.

>>14845079
>It looks like Holomyth is getting near their pre-cull numbers peak.
Sadly that's the "mean average of peak CCV" that NipBros use, instead of other more sensible and outlier immune "median of peak CCV".
Their outfit reveal is the reason they're that high and they'll go right back into the 10k range when the next month rolls in

>>14845030
>because HoloEN is also a foreign branch but for obvious reasons can't be together with the rest in any meaningful comparison
??
HoloJP mogs NijiJP and HoloEN mogs NijiEN. They're direct equivalents, why are we comparing nijis to holos at all if "this branch has way bigger numbers" is a factor? Holo literally beats them 1:1 in every branch.

>>14845049
you can expect either ina or ame. One of them is always streaming on that time in sundays

>>14845079
>It looks like Holomyth is getting near their pre-cull numbers peak.
No way. Gura was getting 40-30k no matter what dogshit debuff she streamed back then.

>>14844966
no. of syllables maybe?
hololive : 3 Sylllables
Toyota : 3 Syllables + 1 phonetic repeat
Toshiba : 3 Syllables

NijiSanji : 4 Syllables
Ichikara : 4 Syllables
Anycolor : 4 Syllables

4 = Death after all...

>>14845079
Pre cull most of them were getting 15-20k from normal streams and Gura was getting 35-45k. Still not there yet, especially Ame/Kiara

>>14845157
This. People seriously don't remember how ridiculous pre-cull numbers were. It was like these girls held on to the HoloX debut buff for 2-3 months.

>>14844921
Niji
>Mar 2019: 3,809
>Dec 2021: 3,862

the real DCB

oh no no no no

>>14844921
>HoloEN 13327
>NijiEN 1902
What the fuck Nijibros, I thought NijiEN was about to overtake them.

>>14844921
Sometimes I think we take Myth for granted. They are at least the 2nd strongest generation along with Gen 3.

>>14845107
>why are we comparing nijis to holos at all
You are replying in a thread that started with a complaint about calling NijiEN as "minor foreign branch".
NijiEN is a minor foreign branch. HoloEN is a foreign branch but not minor.

The only reason Moona was called the "highest ranked minor foreign branch" is because there is no possible meaningful comparison between both Hololive foreign branches so ti was a way to disambiguate this "accolade".
NijiEN merely got caught in the crossfire because Moona outranks all of NijiEN membes and HoloID outranks NijiEN.

>>14845246
>overtake
The only one at ANY risk of getting overtaken in any way is Sana.
Sigh, honestly a waste of a streamer slot, but w/e clearly management values having a 2nd artist on board more than good numbers (besides SC).

>>14845240
slow and steady, that`s a 1.39% increase in almost 3 years

>>14844853
Niji has been counter-programming HoloEN. Oh wait, Niji also counter-programmed their chuubas graduations.

>>14845306
It's not like Selen rose up to potentially beat Sana as it is Sana tanked herself down to her level.

>>14845276
it astounds me how it takes hundreds of hours of numberfagging discussion to rediscover what all normie numberfags could tell you: woah myth lots of subs super popular

Might be a dumb question but is Moona the biggest ID vtuber in terms of CCV and Subs? Also, where does she rank in terms of SEA vtubers?

>>14843904
Holy shit FubuKING.

Fubuki caught the Pokerus which is over 5 times rarer than getting a shiny, this game is just fucking with her

[Hilarious News] Fubuki caught Pokerus before encountering a shiny magikarp.
For those of you confused why this matters, the chance of getting the pokerus is 3/65536 (~1/21k, about 5x as unlikely as encountering a shiny at 1/4096). Yes, she caught the fucking pokerus before encountering a shiny magikarp.

>>14845246
trust the plan, slow and steady. we just need like 10 more waves

>>14845416
I think that's Ollie, Moona gets a massive buff from her 8k average karaokes though.

>>14845303
Look guys, Niji is clearly not reclining! Just look at their numbers compared to March 2019. Almost the same. That's stagnation not recline!
>Hololive March 2019 vs today
Don't pay attention to that.

>>14845434
kek.. she's never getting that shiny.

>>14844995
The major/minor distention is if you can ever consistently play with the big boys. Council has been a threat to medal a few times this week. NijiEN hasn't ever been a threat to medal.

>>14845416
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-__8pLN0T5w
moonabros?

>>14845028

>>14845416
she is, and really all of HoloID is so far ahead of the competition it's not even funny. They are fighting on par with NijiEN. just think about that for a moment.

>>14845276
>They are at least the 2nd strongest generation along with Gen 3.
No they aren't. Gen3's median for Dec 2021 is 18507 with 64 streams, Myth's is 10049 with 59 streams.

Surprisingly the strongest branch (by median of peak CCV) in December so far is
>Gen2
It helps that Subaru is streaming a lot, Aqua and Ayame only do high profile high CCV streams and Choco and Aki barely stream.

>>14845544
NijiEN Hasn´t even be in the 10k chart without debuts.

>>14845650
I think they had that one stream where NijiJP males were on Petra's stream.

>>14845438
>tryna find one rare fish, ends up getting mythical item
lmao I feel like i've read this in a manga before

>>14845640
No one unironically believes JP2 is above JP3, so that should tell you why the way you view which is the strongest gen is irrelevant.

>>14845640
Wait, 4th gen got beat by council? Coco, come back...

>>14845416
>is Moona the biggest ID vtuber in terms of CCV and Subs
Yes

>>14845460
>I think that's Ollie
She's not. She's getting close but still trailing Moona in both CCV and subs

>>14845364
Cover really should graduate Sana already, seriously she is completely garbage.

>>14845675
That fell just short of 10k

>>14845544
>NijiEN hasn't ever been a threat to medal.
They might medal for the 20th since we don't have any high profile streams.

>>14845650
Yes that was one of the only times they almost got 10k and was thanks to the males.

>>14845640
Anon, you demonstrated in your post that Gen2's claim to being the second strongest is tenuous at best

>>14845640
>CCV is the only metric that matters
Post VOD numbers.

>>14845726
"Strongest" is a loaded word but it is clear that Gen 2 has a higher median of peaks in December 2021 than Gen 3. The reason for that is that they stream less and that's the whole reason I follow an "Ayame rule" when doing the partials monthly ranking
>at least one stream more than Ayame did that month

>>14841592
Twitch had to follow the same rules, they're just way more biased in their implementation.
Do you not remember the saga where people found out they could be stuck even for DELETED videos because twitch kept copies of everything

>>14845766
Mori and Mumei Karaoke on the same day.
Mumei near the start of their debut relay and Mori near the end.
Add in whatever JP decides to stream, for sure Gen 6 will stream around that time.

>>14845734
Too busy collabing with VShojo and western males.

>>14841592
>Cover couldn't even get perms for Chivalry
I don't understand, why do some company hate free advertisment so much?

>>14845799
>that Gen2's claim to being the second strongest is tenuous at best
Wut? Nobody made that claim. The only point of that post was tho show that the median for Myth trails that of Gen3 by a large margin.

The whole reason the number of streams is included is to also show that the median in isolation means nothing, the number of streams and (in the case of aggregates) who is actually streaming helps to paint the whole picture

>>14845675
No they only got 9.5k.
Trust me if one of the nijiENs actually managed to hit 10k you'd hear no end of it.

>>14845640
Oh damn. Almost like gen 2 got carried by Ayama big dick number stream

>>14845766(Me)
Also the twitter interactions are insane with the likes and retweets and NijiEN even trended at one point with 19k tweets. People are sleeping on the debuts so hard, chances are they they will be strong contenders and maybe 5 in the top ten. I won't watch them nice they clash with Sunday Night Football but I will watch the threads to watch you fags kneel.

>>14841987
They also very likely lost CDPR perms, cause everyone that was planning to play cyberpunk had to suddenly drop it as well.

>>14845881
Do you think she regrets leaving Hololive?

>>14845913
cyberpunk had a DMCA-free mode that still had DMCA content which led to a lot of streamers getting struck.

>>14845881
not keeping track of her ccv, but seeing that 2k, she lost more than gain anything doing that

>>14845913
No, that was Cover's own autism and the dumb shit happening to Cyberpunk at the time. Most likely it has to do with the Radio DMCAing streamers, it was a whole shebang back then.

There is literally 0 reason for CDPR to retract Hololive permissions, it's pure rrat shit.

>>14845549
From what i see, this guy is like Brand Ambassador for a big indog mobile moba team who happen to use Vtuber model for content creating for that team. So most of the viewers is from that team already established fans. I don't know how we'll classify this though.
t.indog

>>14845640
Nikisei SAIKOU!

>>14845913
Cyberpunk was so bug-ridden and surrounded by drama that they probably dropped the game themselves.
Unlike twitch streamers, it's unseemly for a Holo to shit on a game they requested perms for even if it becomes an unplayable mess during the stream.

>>14845973
There was also a glitch at launch where your clothes would randomly glitch out and expose your genitals.

>>14845749
>Anya actually has more than 1k CCV
That's... actually pretty surprising. I was sure she'd be a 3 digit shitter by now.

anyone knows where the "illegal view funneling" meme originated from? Couldn't find the source from archive diving.

>>14845893
Ayame doesn't affect medians.
>>14845800
Bro, only Gura gets good vod numbers. Why do HoloEN fags like to pretend Myth are 5 Gura's when they are Gura + gen 4?

>>14846022
Basically: cyberpunk was a mess for streaming
Corpo went "nope not risking it", told them to not stream it.
CDPR permissions are probably still there, just no willingness to play CDPR games since all they have only 2 popular games. Not like someone's itching to play standalone Gwent and CDPR is blocking permissions.

Leave Mori to me!

>>14845893
>Oh damn. Almost like gen 2 got carried by Ayama big dick number stream
>>14846034
>Ayame doesn't affect medians.
It was not just Ayame, but a combination of

>Subaru being consistent as fuck filling the middle with 20k+ streams
>Ayame and Shion only showing up for big events with high CCV streams
>Aqua and Choco having few enough streams to offset Subaru numbers down from 20k
pic related, gen 2 median is pretty much Subaru median,

>>14846030
Anya is mostly held back by her shit choice for streams, same for a lot of ID members actually. Not to mention a few of them actively sabotage their own viewership gains.
They all love playing VN type of games on stream except Ollie who is an Apex addict.

In an ideal universe, FBK would reclaim her title as nr 1 holo in all metrics and we'd all live under Pax Kitsune

>>14846034
>Why do HoloEN fags like to pretend Myth are 5 Gura's when they are Gura + gen 4?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL_qhgtOy0dy1Agp8vkySQg/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-hM6YJuNYVAmUWxeIr9FeA/videos

If you don't know the CCVs, you might think Mori gets similar CCV to Miko based on VOD views when their CCVs aren't even close.
That's before we get into Myth's music views compared to the rest of HoloJP.

>>14846033
It started with some anon complaining about Kuzuha showing up on Kanae's POV (for APEX streams) *before* starting his own stream, causing his fans to tune into Kanae stream for the first few minutes for a 20k peak, then when Kuzuha leaves a few minutes later it goes back to 12k, 10k.
Some anon considered this preposterous, aking to "Illegally" inflating the numbers of the receiving streamer.

At the same time, but in an unrelated matter, people started noticing that when some holo finishes their stream (Pekora, let's say) all others that are still ongoing get a boost in their audience from the outflow of the ending stream.
Some anon accused Hololive of only having a small audience (smaller than Nijisanji), only pretending to be big through "view funneling".

People started making fun of BOTH of those anons and term "illegal view funneling" started being used anytime a noticeable boost in some stream due to the outflow of some other happens.

>>14845973
This was also right when CDPR suddenly dropped a game that criticized Xi from GOG because of "complaints from gamers"

how much autism does someone needs to religiously watch. not having the stream in the background, just plain watching. a girl pretending to be an anime fox, ""fishing"" in a fucking pokemon game for days, to catch a stupid yellow fish, and never alt-tabbing once?

>>14846164
This but Aqua

>>14846278
nice blog you seem to care a lot about it

>>14846343
You know playing the stream "in the background" doesn't necessarily mean being in another tab, right? They could be simply doing something else in real life that's not on the computer while listening to her stream.

>>14846436
Also on mobile devices. Have it running on the ipad and check once in a while to see if she caught it

>>14846130
Debuts aside, it has been a very long time since i've seen someone matching Gura's monthly growth, and she's actually already a bit faster than her. Also 21M views monthly, i don't even remember the last time anyone got 20M+ besides the official channel, even holoX still has to reach 20M with La+. Insane.

>>14846278
>It started with some anon complaining about Kuzuha showing up on Kanae's POV (for APEX streams) *before* starting his own stream, causing his fans to tune into Kanae stream for the first few minutes for a 20k peak, then when Kuzuha leaves a few minutes later it goes back to 12k, 10k.
I was there and it was worse than that. Kaida was the 3rd member of their team and he would start streaming 30 mins to an hour before when they did their pre-scrim warmups and he would get a ~17k peak, then people left when Kanae starts his stream for a ~22k peak, before Kuzuha starts his stream at the last minute when the scrims actually start.
So Kanae and Kaida basically made it into the top 10 for a whole week with peaks that lasted like 10-30 minutes in a 4-5 hour stream with a much lower average.

There was also the stupid timeloop arguments about whether it was worse to be a "waiting room" of a bigger colleague, like Kaida and Kanae were for Kuzuha fans, or to be a second option catching the funnel after a big Pekora/Marine stream.

>>14846465
Or just multi monitors

Please watch Uno and subscribe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlBRM_6NImM

It's the first time she gets that sort of number

>>14846476
I just wonder where the hell they're coming from. She's doing anything that would be even slightly interesting to EOPs. Are there Japanese people that like vtubers but *aren't* already subscribed to Fubuki?

>>14846518
third time you post her already sonyintern, fuck off with your shilling

>>14846278
thanks anon!

>>14846480
hmm, that's definitely an interesting discussion though... did getting these "unnatural" peaks help them much at all? Or did it just lower engagement and kick them out of the algo?
Also I assume they aren't doing it anymore?

>>14846550
pokeautists exist

>>14846343
I rarely watch entire streams, especially mundane gaming stuff or stuff that's voice only, always tab out and do other stuff and just listen like it's a podcast. Only really watch intently for special events or maybe a game I am really interested in seeing played.

>>14846550
The YouTube algorithm favors videos that are already doing consistently good and recommends them, which just ends up increasing their views even more.

>>14846645
the rich keeps getting richer baka

>>14846550
I, for example, see nothing else interesting to watch, so I just listen to friend suffering even if I can't understand her. Cause her voice allows listening to it for hours without getting annoyed

>>14846615
This sort of stream also has extreme FOMO attached to it. Unlike something like Kanata JK stand where viewership spiked every time she got near the top again, Fubuki could literally come across her shiny at any time.
The desire to be there when it happens is probably pretty strong

>>14846550
>Are there Japanese people that like vtubers but *aren't* already subscribed to Fubuki?
How easily you forget Fubuking used to be king. This is why the concept of "deadsubs" is retarded. So long as you're subbed, even if you're not a frequent viewer, youtube may show you a video you might be interested in and then you check it out. The only true dead subs are subs from accounts people no longer use.

>>14846278
>>14846480
I was the original anon. It was back during r6s where albio and ibrahim gets high ccv then fell off after Kuzuha starts his stream. It was okay the first few times because Kuzuha has a habit of not opening streams early, but the scrims/practice was going for days or a week, and Kuzuha is still doing that shit. Can't be help that I felt it was intentional and management forced them to do it.

Somewhere along the line, some faggot used it on Holos instead.

>>14846603
>Or did it just lower engagement and kick them out of the algo?
That's a meme, there is no such thing as
>getting punished by the algo for having an audience

Youtube algo is pretty much dumb:
>you click a thing
>you watch it for the defined threshold of time
>the algo will suggest you more of the same thing, and also more of other thing that people that watched the thing also watched

That's how the doxxers managed to get doxx videos WITHOUT TITLE, TAGS OR DESCRIPTION suggested to the Hololive crowd. All it takes is a seed of people watching Holo videos that also watched it to start the snowball.

>>14846278
Pretty sure the /jp/ vtuber thread complained about box pushing and funneling long before that. I can't remember the term, but it was used as an argument against both dot live and holo back when niji was still the biggest company.

Holo no graffiti ranks at 7 on top airing anime

>>14846774
Is Ousama Ranking that good? I can trust Wit, but I hate the look of the main character.

>>14846714
I presume he was referring to the spike in new subscribers, not her viewer numbers.

>>14846774
>at 7 on top airing anime
It's actually a recline, it reached #1 back in the days.

>>14846774
kek

>>14846743
The algo also takes watch time into account

>>14846774
Damn Jojo going strong as usual

>>14846875
>The algo also takes watch time into account
Only up to a threshold. As long as it is crossed it doesn't matter if the person watched the whole thing or just a few seconds.

>>14846813
Don't expect good taste from MAL.

>>14846774
Would have been higher if it wasn't for a bunch of 0s the antis gave it (it's only not ok when it's FMA)

>>14846909
Is it fixed or dependent on the full length of the video?

>>14846774
This must be causing quite a few people to seethe.

>>14846929
Nah, MAL autists regularly 0 bomb anything that touches the top 10 if the "community" decides it's not worthy.

>>14846850
thats because malfags 1-bomb anything that isnt a battle shounen

>>14846909
Words of retardation, by anon

>>14846603
See >>14844390
Doesn't really help in the long run because at a certain point exposure isn't the thing stopping someone from attaining a high number.
People just aren't interested enough to stick around.

Sam reason why it's such a meme when people spam incline/recline on the slightiest buff/debuff when the only actual inclines we've seen all year are Subaru, Suisei, Kuzuha, and a handful of others.

Fubuki is on an insane hot streak right now with shiny hunting, but as we can see from her non-pokemon streams, her other numbers didn't really change much so while she is "inclining" in categories like subcount, it still remains to be seen if she's going to actually get any long lasting incline in CCV.
You already know some faggots are going to shitpost about Fubuki "reclining" after she gets her shiny magikarp when in reality, nothing's really changed.