/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>14767914
General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

HOLOKEKS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>14767950
Oh nyo

>>14767914
Holy shit I remember that TV show.

>>14767633
>Gura, most popular, loved and subscribed vtuber in the world
>Mori, most popular vtuber musician and top superchatted EN in the world. (iirc she's above Timcast)
>Ina, most popular vtuber artist in the world
>Ame, could potentially pioneer a new age in VRChat streaming with vtubers (Fuck VShojo yeah)
What does Kiara have?

>>14767812
Not related, but this reminds me about one of Kizuna Ai's earlier skit is that she compared herself to Miku
Kinda sad to see how things turned out ...

I think Kronii is going to try to funnel for Fauna.

>>14768068
Slower than obsydia

Will he be the king
https://twitter.com/Mysta_Rias/status/1471662380287508480

>>14768060
forget vtuber artists, Ina's the most popular art streamer in the world full stop, isn't she?

>>14768113
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT4sbUOwNY4
Hope you like his personality.

>>14767950
Is he gonna be another selen?

>>14768182
not until someone leak his apex profile

>>14768165
It's her vs the very very dead Bob Ross videos that get restreamed.

All this freaking about Calli
I mean ...

>>14767950
*deadbeats. i only watch holojp

sc for yesterday

>>14768308
good job korone and hope she recovers

>>14768060
Mori and Ina already conquered a specific niche and became Top in the world with it. Gura has the potentially to blow up, but my god, please Omegay, just let her do shorts again. Let her become what she was before but this time untamed, unmatched. It's like forcing Shaq to do three pointers for style points.

>>14768257
in the last thread it was already posted that corpse husband and mori follow each other on twitter, so what does this have to do with vox? also vox is also following nearly all of holoEN, not only mori

>>14768437
omega lets her she just chooses to cry instead

>>14768308
>Pikamee getting huge superchats on a superchat reading stream
What the fuck

>>14768068
Slower than obs for now. Anyone has the ethyria?

Kinda related to noombers
Less than 200 to 600k

In comparison, Niji has around 43k

>>14768537
That's the entire point of an sc reading stream unless you're Holo EN and hate money

holy fuck they keep mogging NijiKR

>>14768606
>reddit

>>14744346
It sets a precedent mate.
All doujin works are technically copyright infringement in Japan, so porn artists are always at risk of legal trouble if the IP holder is ever shown to be willing to shut them down.
Companies generally don't try to shut down the doujin market because it's very good advertisement for their IP, even if it sometimes comes from porn (I got interested in Fate after reading some Fate doujins).
So Anycolor shutting down DLSite porn doujins (which is a huge market in and of itself) sets a precedent that they are willing to go after doujin artists. That precedent itself will be enough for a large percentage of artists to stop drawing Niji stuff, since now there's no guarantee of you being able to make money from it.
There will probably be brave souls who will continue to draw Niji stuff just from their passion, but most "mainstream" doujin artists will now be wary of touching the Niji IP.

All this tall about the nale gen gaining traction but nobody wants to mention the elephant in the room

Nobody subs to them on YT. The sub counts are moving so slow.

>>14768718
is mouse literally interviewing that guy that just does react content to chuubas

Kuzuha shilled NijiEN males on Twitter.
>>14768718
That isn't Niji

>>14768775
All they had to fucking do was get DLSite to put an "Official" tag on their own shit.
Instead they fucking nuke the site.

>>14768797
yes she is

>>14768744
It's still a channel of communication, now that both company has control of their respective sub
And as much as people /here/ hate it, it's still one of their form of communication to the EN fanbase
Or do you want me to bring up Facebook instead?

>>14768061
That's what she got for dare to put herself in the same level as Miku-sama

>>14768718
Is the Isegye?

>>14768797
Well, he's Koe's friend, and Koe and Mouse have collabed in the past, so it's natural

>>14768913
>Or do you want me to bring up Facebook instead?
You may as well, faggot.

Regards,
Not Him.

>>14768913
Posts on Reddit still have a chance to get to front page if something special happens. Niji sub on the othee hand, gatekeeping to the max.

>>14768913
>>14768991
do it
t. actually him

All vtubers need to legit bow down if Corpse becomes one.

>>14768864
Why don't they then. Seems like such a simple solution. Lets assume competence in this hypothetical scenario.
t. idk how DLsite works

Kronii would get better numbers if she never played games and just became a react streamer.

>>14768792
>All this talk about the male gen gaining traction
They aren't anon. The majority of the "traction" comes from shit posters here. You have to remember the NijiEN fans here are VERY LOUD AND ANNOYING. They punch well above their weight in board presence compared to their numbers (very small). That is why we use small dog syndrome when talking about them. They know they are massively outnumbered so they try to be as loud and annoying as possible to make themselves seem bigger than they really are.

>>14769070
corpse like corpsehusband? wasnt he like an amogus yter, is he inactive or something?

>>14768797
Twitch content is incestuous as fuck. Reacting to the react of the reaction etc.

>>14769151
Anycolor is the one that asked them to nuke all the doujins. They also asked them to remove their public sales data and to exclude them from the ranking.
DLSite was just following what was asked of them.
>>14769201
His popularity died the moment the amongus craze died down.

>>14768718
>both are holofags vs entire corpo of holofags
Holo really is the chuuba meta huh. Makes me baka seeing nijifags even dare to put nijiEN on the same level as holo

>>14768775
Just like how Cover forced Mizuryu to stop drawing doujins of holos

>>14769155
Seriously. She is holding 14k for the post event talking/superchat segment. Those are Gura tier numbers as only she can hold those kind of numbers for superchat readings.

>>14768991
Well, the ratio is not as bad as leddit
Around 120k for Holo, and 11k for Niji
2 things:
- The Hololive FB Page is used for both Live and Star
- They only put stuffs in EN

>>14768275
Can't wait until holoJP asks for collabs with Vox and co and you start coping, incel

>>14769274
They didn't though. They just fired him from HoloALT because he was acting like a sperg.

>>14769201
kronii treatment, basically not streaming but playing with OTV on stream.
https://youtu.be/oVN5AvtPGGs?t=5321

>>14769347
He quit because they banned him from drawing holo porn, he even tweeted about it cover shill.

>>14769043
Official post and Talent post over there have a 8/10 chance to make it to r/all, sometime even top 10
Although desu I have no fucking idea how r/all works

>>14769345
Why would that ever be a thing that happens?

>>14768744
>>14768606
Next thing people will say >twitter whenever that is used for comparing the reach of hololive.

Council schizo on suicide watch

>>14769421
Holy fuck that isn't even close to what happened. Fuck off Nijinigger.

>>14769347
didn't he try to demand more money or something after hololive turned out to be way more popular than expected

>>14769369
>>14769242
i checked his channel and his views seems down to the level he was before amogus, aka, 1M per video. seems kinda dumb that he would ditch that for being a vtuber. i assume all this talk is because someone from the new niji wave sounds like him or something?

>>14769450
He actually killed himself a while back so it's over

Kuzuha mentioned the EN boys
https://twitter.com/Vamp_Kuzu/status/1471683897687941122?t=rdAVXnXvyeVvqoz52jAmDw&s=19

>>14769421
You might be retarded but I'll enlighten you.
It's industry standard to not make porn of what you work on officially.

>>14769472
Yes, it was over money. I have no idea what the fuck >>14769421 is talking about.

>>14769274
Stop being stupid

>>14769518
So DLSite are only following industry standards by not having porn of nijisanji since they are officially collabing with them, no harm done.

>>14769512
Nobody cares

>>14769450
Kronii is the only successful council

They are numberfags, so does this mean it will be a success?
https://twitter.com/shu_yamino/status/1471690148597444608

>>14769472
>>14769537
>believing rrats from this place
The only stuff he tweeted about was being upset and removing his holo doujins.

>>14768792
> All these talks
It's just nijiniggers and their chronic small dog syndrome.

>>14769446
id say twitter is a bit of a special case, since it's the platform that reporters and the press likes

>>14768792
gotta cope somehow

>>14768537
>READING SC GETS YOU SC
WOAH MINDBLOWING
Retard

So much for that announcement buff.
Petra is doing RFA while panting hard.

>>14769450
isn't this what literally happens every day, holox insist on that dumbass time slot, get shit numbers and then they stream again on an actual good time and get good numbers, seems like a waste of energy

>>14769717
This is literally much more than petra gets. She gets between over 1k and 700.

>>14769717
wasn't petra a shitter, at least thats what this thread told me
that seems decent for a shitter

>>14769490
yea the guy is pretty successful tbqh passive 5-6 digit income. He can just chill and play with otv
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuZPtWDsczOuztPMUr0mmpw/videos
https://open.spotify.com/artist/7yntSJ6uojO3z6GFUVwhAW

>>14769421
That wasn't what happened you retard.

1. He got into the project after agreeing to a certain payroll because he was a holo superfan and wanted to work with hololive officially.
2. [speculation] He likely found out other artists were getting paid a lot more because they negotiated better.
3. After signing the contract, he now wanted a pay raise. But since the contract was already set in stone, Cover obviously didn't give him a raise.
4. Sperged out on twitter about it and proceeded to tank his reputation and blacklist himself from ever getting official work again.

>>14769274
>but what about
Cope

>>14769867
>After signing the contract, he now wanted a pay raise. But since the contract was already set in stone, Cover obviously didn't give him a raise.
Source?

>>14769717
she inclined

>>14769867
You got it a bit wrong.
He wanted a pay raise because he didn't expect how fucking hyped people were when Holo Alt got announced.

>>14769717
2300 is good for her, don't think it has anything to do with the announcement though, RFA tends to be popular for them.

>>14769717
> #petwerk
jesus christ is the NijiEN audience full of zoomers?

>>14769809
She muted herself for her first RFA, but now she wants the coomer audience? The nijis are getting more and more desperate maybe the company should be giving them monthly salary instead of throwing them of to their audience.

>>14769867
If that's the case they should have just bumped his pay to whatever other people were getting. Lowballing someone just because you can get away with it always creates hard feelings and isn't worth the trouble for the few bucks you save.

>>14769717
>twerk
is she handing her ass to the males already?

>>14769446
Fuck it
Might as well:
This is followers for places where both company have an official account (So no CN, IN for Holo. Feel free to add in)
EN:
Holo - 563k
Niji - 94k

JP:
Holo - 805k
Niji - 763k

ID:
Holo - 149k
Niji - 40k

So yes, Holo DOES have a wider reach in terms of raw numbers

>>14769867
>>14769900
To be fair, all of this is leaked by his bilibili group on a stream. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. I can only say until today mizuryu kek haven streamed there at all and pretty much leave that group hanging with a promise i will be back.

.t chink seanigger

>>14769566
Key word is "Working for" anon

>>14769767
Well at least their subs count closing in on council with just like 2-3 week of activities
Maybe on SC too?

>>14770140
So we're trusting what chinks say now, what's next, are we going to trust whatever the chink groups running the bilibili holo channels said?

>>14769446
twitter is not that popular in burgerland

>>14769900
>>14769952
apologies, seems I was misinformed >>11873859

Step 3 is also speculation, all we know is that he was angry at something and decided to go on a public rant about it instead of resolving it privately.

>>14769512
If they still flop even after receiving
>The Blessing of The Vampiric King
Idk how niji can be save anymore

>>14770027
The thing is, we don't know how much other people are getting either (And probably never will)
Remember, despite what coomers might tells you, Mizuryu is not the one with the biggest clout in the room on that one

>>14770239
Anon the blessing of Kuzuha does nothing, his audience only watch him and Kanae and literally nobody else

>>14770140
never trust chinks

>>14770219
>>14770314
Could be worse
Could be /here/

How are their YT sub numbers? Anyone from this male gen reaching 5k or 10k yet?

>>14770219
Yes people did trust those chinks who handled Bilibili Holo channel when they said that HoloCN will kept their models.

>>14770219
even what happened in bilibili was a clusterfuck because apparently the one who streamed there was his manager, the chinks took his side because they were still butthurt about coco but then they turned against Mizuryu after they found out he denied the nankin in one of his works, this whole case is a fucking mess

>>14769618
>https://twitter.com/shu_yamino/status/1471690148597444608
It depends on whether or not they have actual common sense. This isn't the kind of numberfag that you'd want to do right away, while it may be genuine, it reeks of corporate/participation trophy.

Remember, La+ and the Susan sub shitpost? That one was effective because of how it worked (basically: fight the system).

Ultimately, what will matter is not whether they get Twitter follows or subs, but whether or not they can keep as much of their CCV after debut, that their stream schedule is up to snuff (often, consistent and predictable) and whether their choice of content is the kind that their target audience will want to watch.

>>14770355
It was pretty well agreed upon on nip twitter that Mizuryu is a dumbass iirc
It's why Cover never really got a lot of shit for that whole incident.

>>14770444
It would be funny if suddenly, one gets a Dream SMP collab and zoom past everyone else.

All this arguing while Fauna is stealthily almost approaching 10k

>>14769985
I cant wait for the girls to openly dissapointed with niji after the males took over and tank'd all their viewers

>>14768257
CORPSE HUSBAND CONFIRMED FOR HOLOSTARS

>>14770508
Is there any overlap between Dream's audience and whatever tier of gay this group of chuubas has for a potential audience?

>>14770635
She's doing pretty well while having a boyfriend debuff.

>>14770648
Pomu or Finana already said that they felt threatened with every new gen, and they were a bit worried about NijiEN's expansion strategy

>>14769839
She got hit by the double whammy of initial roommate speculation being wrong and actual roommate info being damaging, with the resulting backlash, then compounded it by muting herself during her RFA stream.

>>14770709
She doesn't really do GFE, right?

>>14770086
Niji JP is pretty close

>>14770761
Anon nobody but here cared about the roommate and chink stuff, and if you think this place plays a significant role in the success of nijis, consider that despite being the most popular here Pomu has always trailed behind the rest of her gen mates, and also stop drinking the kool aid.

>>14770806
She knew that it was already found out so decided to go for a more mothercon route.
I can respect that.

>>14770806
Not unless you’ve got an Oedipus complex/Onee-san fetish.

>>14770761
>actual roommate info being damaging
Is this the reason Rrat basically went out of her way to completely hide her accent (only to basically leak her voice in the first place)?

>>14770870
NijiJP was ahead by a lot back in 2019.

>>14770925
How the turntables

>>14770761
What this guy said >>14770883
Her being anti coomer is the main thing that knocked her down, that and her having a shit rig so she wasn't able to play much interesting games during her critical growth period

>apex buff game
>1.9k
kek
isegye total views: 12.5k

Vox guy was done by Ram. They really want to have some connections with Hololive huh. Collabing with Ollie won't be too far.

>>14770896
>>14770903
Interesting, so there is a case study for there being a chuuba that can play it as straight as possible and still being successful in the west. Japan seems to be much less tolerant with their oshi picks, unfortunately for Aki.

>>14771022
I forgot this one 3.9k total views 16.4k

>>14771022
Holy shit holoKR is strong!! Vshojo lv?!!

>>14771022
Isegye is fighting for Holos on Twitch. Please win! Gooks fund them so that they can have better models!

>>14771022
At this point twitch is wait and pray for a raid or get viral outside twitch

>>14771062
Four out of the five of them were done by holomamas, they are going full on hololive lite to the hilt

>>14771022
So does this confirm that there's no difference between yt and twitch in terms of viewers since she's getting less than what she does on yt?

18k are watching HoloEN with just 2 members streaming.

>>14770906
The Hololive audience is a different animal because of Coco and the Taiwan incident, but Cantonese is mainly spoken by either immigrants from Hong Kong/Macau or from the pre-CCP Chinese diaspora, so only the biggest schizos would take issue. NijiEN was able to collab with VirtuaReal without any PR backlash. Bae’s official excuse is that she’s not good at speaking Cantonese, which I’m willing to believe because Cantonese fluency and English fluency are inversely proportional in my experience.

https://www.goodsmile.info/en/product/12058/figma+Shiranui+Flare.html

It's using her first design btw

>>14771101
>Holos living rent free in his head
Perhaps a nijifag?

>>14771230
yes. the muh spamview cull is a cope made by chumkeks because their oshi is reclining.

>>14770286
They don't even watch Kanae. His viewership isn't that strong. He is a sub 10k shitter.

where are those koreans on twitch from? im bad at google

>>14770735
They will be seething hard as their views reclined while the males inclined untill finally they succumb to pressure and suck the males dick for collabs and create force ships. Then one day they realize the incline only lasted a month or two and they stuck in a stagnant water while holoEN3 become another massive success and swept the rest of their remaining fanbase and gachis

>>14771207
Wait what, I checked. I only saw ram there, all the others are unknowns to me.

>>14771277
Aren't her eyes based on the second outfit?

The stealth marketing... And also a post that silently says that Holo members are shit.

>>14771395
Oga, Izuru and Ollie iirc

>>14771337
>where are those koreans on twitch from?
>koreans
Anon...

>>14771452
Here's the upvo-

>>14771517
you know what i mean anon

>>14771517
I was debating whether to spoonfeed or rage at him, but then I saw your witty retort. kek

>>14771402
Well, changing the eye is easy
Changing the whole design is not

>>14770968
Fair enough. I guess the loli-like design would account for the pre-debut hype, and that Selen’s runaway success also managed to steal her thunder on top of that, would that be reasonable to say?

>>14771622
spoonfeed me you bitch

>>14771207
So they are leeching on holo nows?
>>14771452
Tch cant wait for this niggerinterns undercover to shill them and collab begging "muh brother" bs on leddit

>>14771452
Words can't describe how much I hate everything about Nijishitty.

>>14771643
Pretty much, the cunny buff is an actual thing, it just won't help you much if your actual stream content sucks

>>14771452
For future reference, please just go there and click the downvote button instead of sperging out in the comments, literally none of you can blend in worth shit and all you end up doing is galvanising the residents.

>>14771867
Cunny buff works as such

Cunny = Initial sub boost
Voice match = Multiplier, the better the match, the better the multiplier. The worse the match, can potentially be a 0.X modifier instead (reduced effectiveness)
Attitude match = major buff (La+, Gura). Attitude mismatch = buff lost entirely.

So, you gotta have the goods to back up the cunny buff, otherwise don't even bother and just go with a more normal model.

>>14770212
They passed Council's total SC a couple of days ago

>>14771643
>Selen's runaway success

>>14772174
I mean, relatively speaking...

>>14771650
If you actually read the thread, you would know the answer. But you don't even try, so you're just begging like a druggie when even Hobos have more pride than you.

>>14772174
Risu stop posting on this Malaysian rice threshing forum and stream more

>>14771452
>>14771653
>>14771781
Meds holobronies. This is just one of your own misidentifying Lulu as a holo. Not a very uncommon occurrence since you live in a bubble and know nothing about other companies.

these niggas subs growth is slow as hell

just me or this rias guy sounds like this person?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIHNBGXG_RM

>>14772343
is this why we stopped getting updates kek

>>14772369
numbers?

>>14772343
>>14772400
Watch out holo they are at 5ks now!

>>14772102
Yep, petra only has the appearance match and fumbled the attitude and voice match so her cunny buff evaporated once she actually started streaming

>>14772502
Let's wait until 24 hours go by to compare to the other NijiEN waves.

>>14772332
>live in a bubble and know nothing about other companies
Correct!! Now take your irrelevant 2view loving ass and preach to somebody that gives a fuck.

>>14772502
How does it compare to previous waves?

>>14768068
5 at once? Brave.

>>14772551
i think that it would be fair to wait at least a day to make the comparison, right now is too soon imho

>>14772521
Correct.
Compare: La+
She had the voice and attitude match (even if she pulled back a bit from it and is closer to her more normal voice, its still good) and basically nailed it. Now she gets bullied by chat 'cause that's what the brat deserves!

>>14770735
The NijiEN fanbase isn't growing fast enough to compensate for more new gens coming out. I won't be surprised if this further cannibalizes viewership and subs since the only one that's growing healthily is Selen.

>>14772502
Pathetic

>>14772502
W-Wow so this is the power of m-males

>>14772502
FASTER THAN COUNCIL
MANJISANJI, I KNEEL

>>14772332

>>14771402
It's more based on her 3D model than her first 2D design.

>>14772261
i have no pride
i know who they are now, do people call them holokr just because of that tribute video

>>14772502
I'm torn

Part of me wants to see them fail spectacularly but the other part of me wants to see them succeed so much that the girls are reduced to like 100 viewers each proving Manjisanji is real once and for all. I'm not sure which scenario I would enjoy more.

Best case scenario for these blokes
-They establish a niche of male corpo vtubers without heavily cannibalizing the existing NijiEN fanbase, and instead help everyone incline

Worst case scenario
-Gachi+unicorn flight
-Fanbase collapse for existing female talents that engage in flirting with new males
-Fanbase cannibalization, overall numbers stagnation

Somehow doubt the numbers will end up in either extreme, but I'll give it debut + 1month before I start throwing out any hard judgements.

>>14772714
Not just that tribute vid, they've also done covers, reference holo stuff if I'm not misremembering, etc.
They've basically draped themselves in holo-stuff, and its helped them incline

>>14772636
I can't tell what kind of shitpost this is

>>14772718
not a niji fan, but hope the first one happens or the quality of this thread is gonna get even worse

>>14772551
slightly faster than ethyria, slower than obsydia.

>>14772758
Hololive should never create a KR branch but if they were smart they would let Kronii or Ina collab with them to officially bury the corpse of NijiKR.

>>14772718
are there even enough female fans to justify such fujo bait designs?
Aren't the niji jp's fanbase like all 80% male?

>>14772758
seems smart desu

Are NijiEN making a mistake by targeting the female audience? Wasn't this Stars' great mistake?

>>14772776
what are ethyria numbers?

>>14772774
>Not a Niji fan
>Hopes they succeed
Ok false flagger. I hope the 2nd one happens and NijiEN implodes in spectacular fashion. I wish for nothing but the collapse of the entire branch.

>>14772765
The delusional, bait-so-obvious-the-hooks-have-hooks.jpg type.

>>14772842
they think the west have more fujis willling ti watch male vtubers.

>>14772718
I concur with this assessment since this is pretty much what happened in NijiJP. Some of the females that had unicorns following them basically shooed them away via male collabs, and then rise of Hololive in addition to the males being perceived as better entertainers (on top of their yumejo/fujo appeal) further buried them (further compounded by them losing a number of big female talent).

So, NijiEN better pay attention to what they do going forward if they wish to strike a balance in their demographic.

>>14772825
Well, I think that this anon has the right of it
>>14772887
I don't think any of us here have any sort of actual market research to confirm/deny such an assertion though.

Do you think 2views fujos will stream themselves masturbating to NijiEN males?

>>14772825
Of Vtubers in general, probably not, but there is a lot of otome fans and they might end up interested in this if it gives the same vibe.

>>14772718
The 2nd hasn't happened with Mori despite her constant male interactions. The EN fanbase doesn't care about male and female interactions since they're not idolcels.

>>14772608
>Imagine Ankimo ch. Suddenly stream on the day of their debuts

>>14773031
It hasn't? Her original song with Rikka is easily her worst performing song so clearly a large part of her fanbase isn't ok with it.

Also how do you think chumbuds would react to Gura collabing with boys. Just think about that one for a second.

>>14773031
If anything, Mori fans left because she pandered to the furry crowd lmao

>>14772758
I respect the Isegye hustle going all out on the holo homage. Cover should partner with them instead of bothering with holokr

>>14773031
Note, it's not male-female interaction alone that drives away gachi/unicorns, note how I said 'engage in flirting with males', basically tee-tee bullshit between males/females. Mori's interactions, from what I can tell, are just either for Music (Rika) or pretty casual (TT dudes). Note, I did say 'Worst-case' scenario, so I don't think that most of the NijiEn girls are going to go that route.

>>14773123
Anon.. that was because the songs was on rikka's channel. It's the same case as suisei

>>14772174
I was speaking comparatively.
>>14772379
Why give updates when nothing is changing?

FBK got 42k by starting her stream an hour earlier yesterday. With all the momentum she has built what would be her peak if she started one during prime time?

>>14773031
Mori is hard carried by music and that's the audience that's least to give a fuck about shit like this since that world is inundated with shippers. The group that you need to pay attention to is the one that is most likely to put up cash on their hands and the ones for which their namesake had become a meme... simps.

>>14772718
I think fanbase cannibalization is the most likely outcome unless some outside factor helps bring more attention to them. Outside Selen most of NijiEN has been rather slow/stagnant in terms of growth so they only have a relatively small audience to draw upon initially and that's not taking into account being a male in the West is a debuff for Vtubing and the only big male English Vtubers are people who were big as content creators prior.

>>14773123
>Her
It was posted on his channel. Of course it was going to have lower views, retard.
Also, Bae's scs and views weren't affected after this clip blew up, if anything it helped her incline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s1IGxootDk

>>14773031
dunno about that one, i feel like it depends on the girl in holoen's case

>>14773182
Depends on overlaps, but IMO pulling 40k ez again would be doable even with some.

>>14773159
>It's the same case as suisei
Isn't Suisei's song on HER channel?

>>14773020
The audience is male dominated mainly due to the fact that the main content is video games.

>>14773159
>>14773218
>It was on Rikka's Channel
Cope. If they wanted to listen to the song they would listen to it. Its not like its hard to find.

>Bae clip
She only got off undamaged for this because she was tricked into it by Ollie. You could tell she had no interest in doing it.

any gold contender in the holo side? this is nijis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAPpZujM9l0

>>14773123
> how do you think chumbuds would react to Gura collabing with boys
She already has faggot. What do you call Reflect?

>>14773123
Anon learn context and that song is in Rikka's channel, it maybe a low performing song for Mori standard but that is Rikka's highest song views

>>14773302
Are you retarded?

>>14773146
After the debacle of holoCN I don't think they are in a rush to partner with another company in an East Asian country with historically poor relationships with Japan.
Also isn't Partnering with a local company what fucked over nijiKR at the start?

>>14772502
why are we even talking about midgets

>>14773282
Didn't fbk get 42k?

>>14772887
>>14772977
Didn't Anycolor's market research tell them they needed an Indian branch lol

>>14772717
What about both? The males fail to achieve at least Ibrahim or Akina standards while the girls are reduced to atoms, robots made to milk money from gachis.

>>14773282
>Literal who
>Under 200k subs
>Female in Manjisanji
Yeah, this will get beat by a random Fubuki pokemon stream.

>>14773218
Eh, Bae's gachis knew what they signed up for. I suspect they view this more as a younger-sis gushing over her crush situation than unicorn-gachi style, because mentioning the stars in her debut + PL R* connection likely drove away any hardcore unicorn gachi early on (THIS IS PURE SPECULATION THOUGH, I DO NOT AND CANNOT KNOW THE ACTUAL MOTIVATION OF UNICORNS OR GACHIS).
>>14773205
If one of them is a proper memester, they could go viral, but, and I say this every time I think about this, why the FUCK would you be a vtuber if you had the skillset to pull off and incline as a streamer? Just go facecam and not get debuffed. Vtubing is a debuff for males in the west, and the situation in JP isn't the same as it is in EN.

>>14773146
This.
>Sent someone from JP to inspect their office or management
>If all is good have the gook mane guy go to japan for short lesson
>hired holo own gooks to oversee the management together with the current mane
>give them new models and redut them as HoloKR
>WinWin

>>14773278
Do you ever get tired of trying to push the unicorn narrative in the numbers thread like companies actually base their decisions off the conclusions this place comes to?

>>14773334
that's yesterday's gold.

>>14773334
it counted for yesterday since she started it at 23:57
>>14773282
honestly? there isn't really one unless mel and choco's announcement somehow explodes

>>14773031
Mori's fanbase is other women, people really primarily into music so they don't give a shit, loyal gachikoi that accept anything, and people who unironically look up to her.

>>14773278
Holy shit, this retard is clearly false flagging LMAO

Did Susan randomly return the subs she purged?

>>14773348
Christ I don't get what kind of data they got that indicated THAT was a smart move, now my expectations are in the gutter.

>>14773031
>Rikka collab
only the takamori shipfags got pissed, members didnt cared because the whole thing was about a song collab in the first place
>TT
Cover approved Interview and is at best a waste of time if you are up to date with what she talked through the month of october because no new information came out of it outside of a shout out to coco.
I dont really see your point here, the interactions with males is only bad if (you) as a chuuba get flirty with that man collab partner, how is this so hard to comprehend

>>14767950
N I J I E D

>>14773364
There is no unicorn/gachi in the EN fanbase besides some schizo SEAniggers on /vt/. Paypigs gonna paypig regardless of that.

>>14773031
I think idol vsingers are given a pass when the relationship is seen as professional. Noone gives a shit about suzy, sora, hachi, chima, etc. collabing with male singers and producers. Its when things start becoming flirty or overt GunKan shit that idolfags start leaving

>>14773123
Explain her collab song with Boogey Box doing pretty well than.

>>14772718
>Gachi+unicorn flight
>Fanbase collapse for existing female talents that engage in flirting with new males
It's already happened and i smell incoming drama with Elira making their own private discord and has been interact with them this past month. Not to mention her retardation of posting it on twatter and basically tell the gachis to fuck off. Thank god we still have Selen who stayed clear from all this faggotry

>>14773453
That's....very odd, the hell?

>>14773453
No, holo poi wasn’t updated for 2 days so that’s all the subs within that time period

>>14773453
they might have gained fomr somewhere else. Even kroni, mumei and fauna are up.
Anything viral recently?

>>14773453
No, it's just Holostats hasn't update at least for 2 days so you suddenly see a surge in sub/view growth. You can check socialblade and trackholo.

>>14773453
i never realized how the close the rest of gen 5 was

>>14773499
cunny Jiangshi balanced out the male zombie from that duo

>>14773499
Bogey Vox is cool
Rikka is a faggot

>>14773501
You're gonna have to give me some actual links because that sounds outlandishly in rrat territory.
I'd also really hope not, because I DO want something to keep HoloEN on their toes at least. The less complacent the EN branch is, the better.

>>14773499
>Boogey Voxx collab doing well
Fra is already tied to Ci so they don't view him as a threat for Mori's affection.

>>14773536
>>14773543

Ah, that makes perfect sense. Thanks anons.

>>14772718
Nah, the best case scenario is highly unlikely. Sit down and think to yourself, do you really want to listen to a male streamer? That's it. I get better bro points from listening to ludwig, toast or sykkuno than Kuzuha, Kanae or other EN vtubers. I even sat down and listen to tsunderia's male vtubers.

Long story short,
they're not fucking entertaining, man. Their only use is to bait fujos and female gachis. Even genshin characters is more entertaining and hotter than them.

>>14773479
Mori has done several one on one regular collabs with Rikka. It's beyond just collabing for a song unlike those people you mentioned. Despite this, she's still the highest sced holo member.

>>14773282
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAPpZujM9l0
>fAPpZujM9l0
>fAP

>>14772502
LMAO Holobronies on suicide watch
This is even growing faster than gen 6

>>14773698
Gura better watch out. They are going to beat her to 4 million subs at the pace they are on.

>>14773364
Bae outright friendzoned her chat early on, so there likely weren’t too many gachis to piss off anyway.

>>14773677
Oh, I never claimed the best-case scenario was likely, in fact I fully agree with your assessment.

As for if these batch of faggots will be entertaining or not - Will give benefit of doubt and wait for actual debut + 1 month, but I'm going to say I'm not optimistic.

>>14773680
you mean those 3 collabs which all of them had a goal related to their song right?

>>14773758
Speaking of Gura 4 million. Is she actually going to have a 4 million celebration? She didn't have one for 1 million nor for 3 million but she did have one for 2 million. Maybe she only does celebrations every 2 million because her growth is so absurd, lol.

>>14773499
Boogey Vox is actually cool and they even share the same music taste and vtuber design style with Mori

What's so weird to me about NijiEN4 trying to target the fujo audience is, well... IS there even a fujo audience for video game streamers in the first place?

As far as I'm aware the market for livestreaming games and zatsu content on the whole is overwhelmingly dominated by male viewers, unlike the Japanese market that isn't nearly as heavily skewed towards a single gender of viewers.

>>14773814
Probably will hold out for 5 before she does one.

>>14773814
She wanted to do something for 3 million that involved the syncing Karaoke program that's in Japanese (so she had trouble with it), but that obviously feel through.
At her current rate of growth, 4m is sometime Late Q1, so who knows how things will be then.

>>14773814
Please Gura celebrate your milestones already, it's been two years

>>14773814
She only did 2 million because Kiara pressured her to
If she's not being pressured by anyone she won't do it

>>14773913
i think if they went into the whole minecraft roleplay stuff they could find some

>>14773623
You can check Elira's twitter post where she says she's been holding the screenshot of the guys in discord chat for a month. As for the privacy of the Discord, we really don't know for sure if this is still the case, but Elira had said in a stream 2 months or so ago that she created the Discord server and has admin privileges, then she made finana admin to help her manage the discord since at the beginning it was only her, Finana, and Pomu. Since Pomu was the only other person there (implying there were no management present), she decided to make Pomu an admin also. Basically it implies the Discord server is private and without Niji management.

>>14773812
They were all regular one on one collabs. Suisei and others has yet to do that with holostars.

>>14773814
I doubt she will celebrate. Would probably feel like rubbing stuff onto faces of others.

>>14773913
Fujo means women that like yaoi shit. iI doesn't mean "female otaku". Women like bishie twink looking guys regardless if they are actual fujos or not, and that's who they're aiming for. See all the 2-view girls lusting over them on twitter for an example of the target demographic.

>>14774031
But that simply reinforces my question: does that audience actually exist in any reasonably sustainable number as viewership for videogame livestreams?

>>14774031
too bad they won't watch them...

>>14774111
Nah, that is a good thing. They deserve to fail.

>>14774083
Who knows? We'll find out in a few days.

>>14773364
I imagine the veil of anonymity and possibility of gaining a more "unique" as I would like to call it is the main appeals.

When I mean "unique" I mean the sort of community that basically creates its own content in a similar way to the Touhou community. The Vtuber community for NijiJP and all of Hololive basically make their own entertainment and form their own sort of creator ecosystem where animators, ameteur game devs, artists, story writers, etc come together and make things based on their oshis. A regular streamer, even big ones fanbase won't have half the shit Hololive and Niji JP are making within their own communities.

>>14774014
>First collab was a sort of Q&A with a karaoke section trying to show how well they sound together in case people doubted they synergy for the song
>Second collab is obviously made to funnel viewers to the premiere despite being boring as hell which mori later on admitted
>Third Collab is a remix review for the song's contest

>>14773499
Boogey is based though.

>>14774083
The demographic exists. Will they watch streamers? I really doubt it.

>>14774083
No, just look at their current subs compared to the starting subs of the prior waves. The guys will default to video games and collabs, much like the waves that came before. A few might incline hard if we find out they are good at video games like Selen and has a personality. Right now it's just rping on Twitter because it's the kind of image management wants them to convey.

All these people itt acting like Western KPOP fangirls don't exist and don't have a massive online presence. This is clearly the group they're trying to target with this wave, they even have a boyband aesthetic.

>>14774255
>Kpop
They better start speaking Korean then
If I'm a weeb and I like Japanese girls I'll turn a 360 if they have a Japanese design but speaks in English

>>14774007
There was also an accidental discord leak from Enna's Mario Party stream at the beginning of this month, where all we saw were the talents and no management at all.

>>14774255
Except k pop has an enormous marketing department and company backing for concerts. By that logic any of the JP waves would have as much popularity as any k pop boy band, which clearly they don't.

>>14773364
Because there's like a million regular streamers and it's really hard to stand out. Same reason girls started becoming vtubers, even though many of them are good looking enough to be face streamers, and many were.

>>14774255
except kpop fangirls don't enjoy watching hours long video game livestreams, why is everyone overlooking this fact when it comes to the target audience

>>14774027
she didn't celebrate 1m because she basically sniped it from FBK/Korone, and probably felt the same about 3m and Kizuna Ai

there wasn't anyone close to 2m and there isn't anyone close to 4m, so she should feel comfortable enough celebrating.

>>14774255
unless they're gonna talk about KPOP oftenly and even make an original song in korean, they wont attract kpopers

>>14774332
well shit, elira's private kingdom

>>14774318
Because that totally kept EN vtubers from becoming popular. If you get someone who looks like a cartoon gook without having to listen to their unintelligible babble you get the best of both worlds.

https://i.miss.irys.moe/

>>14774255
>KPOP
Is not their audience. Their potential audience is OTOMEtards. Whether they bite or not is to be determined.

what is the audience for male EN vtubers?

Japan is weird cause of idol culture

Faggot that are talking about how nijimales EN can get kpopfag here don't know what they are talking about.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/rhu3q1/vtuber_survey/

>>14774255
Just because demographics exist does not mean that an audience of that demographic for your product exists.

>>14774419
If it was that easy than the biggest Male EN Vtuber wouldn't be Nux, Sodapoppin, and Takahata.

>>14774495
>what is the audience for male EN vtubers?
As of right now other female EN vtubers kek

But Japan also has a sizeable population of single and lonely women, so it's not just idol culture.

>>14774495
normal people if the design isnt fujo bait like this guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0lJNB0slXE
https://www.twitch.tv/okcode

>>14774495
That's kinda the problem, we don't know what the fanbase for them even is and the only big examples we have is don't even count since it's hold overs from their already established fanbase.

>>14774597
Those aren't even vtubers they're just regular streamers or content creators that have adopted an avatar.

>>14774688
if they interact with the females wont it kill the girls SC whales?

>>14774722
>has a Vtuber model
>streams/creates content with said Vtuber model
>b-but they don't count because I said so
Cope and seethe faggot. They are Vtubers and they mog the shit out of your Holowhores

>>14774722
Yeah and that's exactly the problem. We don't have a big Male EN Vtuber to even draw a comparison from. It's mostly just 2views.

>>14774688
It all boils down to two things, they have to be good at games and have a personality. Selen but male basically.

>>14774754
EN fanbase doesn't care, they're not chockful of incel NEETs unlike JOPs

>>14774495
Schrodinger's Audience

Honestly can't wait for them to open the box, whichever direction it goes

>>14774520
>more subtle Nijisanji stealth marketing
Holy fuck they are shameless

When is the debut of the wave 4? this month or January? Will they be able to shine with all the big announcements and events for Holos?

>>14774779
That's why Wave 4 is an interesting experiment. They will become, by default, the biggest male EN vtubers, or at least the biggest on youtube, there might be a few twitch indies that do better.

>>14771277
Even Flare gets a figure? She's a midget who only is the 39th most subbed vtuber, 8th most SC'd, and is barely in the top 25 CCV.

>>14774786
yes they are. someone post the numbers.

>>14774812
Before the marika tournament, so they all can join in

>>14774794
I mean, NA weebs mostly go for GFE shit, I don't know what the target group is for EN males.

>>14774771
> they mog the shit out of your Holowhores
>Source: b-believe me please
LMAO

>>14774855
Newfag every gen 3 will get nendo, popup and figma.

>>14774837
Yeah. And if there is a market for male chuubas, how Cover would react?
In reality, I can't wait for the debut and the evolution of the group.

>>14774754
Depends on how they act with each other. I think someone like Selen would be fine since she just markets herself as gamer having fun but someone like Nina who does GFE content can get negatively affected.

>>14774855
Affirmative action.

>>14774855
You should send them an e-mail with those exact points. See what they say, lol.

His chat is clearly nothing but girls. Now you just have to wonder where they came from. They are referencing CorpseHusband and that streamer definitely has a huge female following.

>>14774908
Depends. If they just do as good as the bottom tier girls it's kind of w/e. If they significantly outperform them, getting Selen or better numbers across the board, it would have to make them seriously consider doing a Holostars EN.

>>14774754
No, there have been collabs before, so it depends on a few things: How often the pair collab or talk on stream, twitter, etc, how much they gush for each other, and how much they ignore chat. Otherwise if people act professional and normal, there would not be any issues.

>>14774252
They just need to be good paypigs though.

>>14774913
Nina doesn't do GFE she does a weird mommy fetish thing and she's pretty open about lusting after dudes. I think people like Pomu or Rosemi would be more vulnerable to annoy their fans if they flirt with the guys.

>>14774779
Pewdiepie, Nux, Sodapoppin, Asmongold, Rubius
There are plently of huge male Vtuber channels, but what was I expecting out of Holofaggots and their Holo hugbox

>>14774754
People will whale for their favourite ships, it's not a problem at all

Already more viewers than Tsunderia males. Our boy Vox will be a success. Seethe & cope.

>>14775086
Mother fucker I used them as an example earlier and got told it didn't count which is it fucks for sake

>>14775086
>huge male Vtuber channels

>>14775108
there are more people in Forsen's chat right now.

>>14774960
wasn't corpse doxxed and he turned out to be an average looking guy?
is he still popular?

>>14774855
>Flare
>Midget
Anon, her CCV aveage is well above 5k (and this month has been floating above 10k), that's not what you'd call a midget.
>8th most SC'd
Literally top ten for oil barons. You know who buys this shit? OIL BARONS.

>>14775108
What are the times for the debuts, anyway? Is HoloEN going to let them have the timeslot to themselves or will they try to bury them again?

>>14775158
he pretty much stopped being popular after the popularity of among us died

>>14775179
Now would be the perfect time for Fish Tank episode 2

>>14774960
>girls

>>14775179
Omega please do something or at least any HoloJP, eat them alive Kek

>>14775158
The doxx was some random guy from 10 years ago apparently. According to his friends Corpse IRL has curly hair and visible scars on his face.

>>14775214
Not gonna lie, that would be big funny.

>>14775179
You think there's a lot of overlap?

>>14775268
NijiEN fans are 90% former or current HoloEN fans so yes.

>>14775268
Not in the least, people just want a hololive stream with more viewers than what these guys will get. These guys are gonna probably get the same 15k the rest of NijiEN debuts get, it remains to be seen what the long term looks like.

>>14775268
I think some anon is posting number drops when an overlap happen between HoloEN and NijiEN

>>14775310
>former and current KFP

>>14773913
It's definitely annoying.
I've always been interested in checking out some male chuubas, and some holostar streams have been fun from a certain POV as well.
But straight up faggotry right out of the gate... ドン引き is the feeling I get, and not in a joking way.

>>14775362
didn't pomu lost around 1k when kroni started ?

>>14775225
Cope. Dude's a literal pussy magnet.

>>14775405
>former and current KFP
facts. kiara suffering for handing out attention to parasites

>>14775456
>>14775405
Oh and zumcucks

>>14775435
>pussy magnet
are you a pussy anon?

>>14775108
>bullying midgets
nijiniggers please.....

If my timezone reps is correct, at least 4 of them will overlap with Gura's meme review.

>>14774083
only if they actually put out content that they are strong with.
Since they're already pushing yaoibait, it might be interesting if they have some sort of yaoi-type collab (acting out fanfics or something like that).
If they just resort to normal streams, they'll be dead in the water.

>>14775545
>meme review
play ARK like you promised Coco you cunt

>>14775108
>stealing Boogey Voxx's name
nijisan is shameless as always

>>14775435
>50 people
you are trying to hard.

>>14774436
what the fuck this is an actual site

>>14775545
Oh its going to be just like wave 1

>>14775631
there's one dedicated to fauna too

>>14775545
Literally the worst stream they could've gone up against this whole weekend, lmao

Fauna really doesn't have any gachis despite having ASMR streams huh? She peaked at 9.8k and only getting 80k+ Yen

>>14775545
they debut the day after.
>debuting week is christmas week
nijiEn is fucking retarded

>>14775698
she has them blueballed her asmr yesterday was having good results but had to nuke it becasue scufff-. Also she is in a collab right now.

>>14775593
Is this better?

>>14775545
they are debuting on Sunday the 19th. 20th JST.

>>14775773
Imagine the meltdown if a holoEN reacted like this, kek.

Ot would be funny if 1 male NijiEN zoom past Gura to get 4M. Would it make NijiJP respect NikiEan?

>>14775773
not really even mousey drools for other vtuber males.

>>14775809
Jesus, what the heck

holo aroma remaining stock (Lamy & Miko sold out)

>>14775866
Reminder that women are just as bad at this than men.

>>14775798
isnt Pekora's new outfit on the 19th?

Reminder, even Nijimales are mostly watched by males. Unless they go for the gay audience their viewership with be bad even if the fanart output is good and they have a lot of paypigs. I genuinely think this is gonna go well overall since NijiEN relies on paypigs but people who think they're getting a Kuzuha or CCV champion are deluded.

>>14775702
>>14775798
I could've sworn I saw 19th, oh well. They finally learn, dodge Gura and debut at her usual break day. It's unusual for them to do at that time though since it's like a sunday evening. That's not really a buff timeslot for westerners.

>>14773257
NTA but I think he's talking about The Last Frontier which is in AZKi's channel and has 340k views 2 months in.

>>14775871
why's lamy merch always flyin off the shelves like crazy anyway, it seems disproportionate to all her normal metrics. it can't just be people going 'hehe lamy water' every time

>>14775434
Pomu's main part of the stream ended, she was just sitting on the after-talk screen for 10min to pad out time (she wanted it to be an hour long video)

Man, the small dog syndrome is getting worse each month. Even Vshojo isn't getting this much post despite having a larger fanbase.

>>14775871
>Miko sold out
Damn, I wanted to smell Miko's sweet pussy

>>14775976
Her gachis are more mentally ill/rich than the rest.

>>14775963
And that's song was such a good and soulfull song that Azki personally wrote and compose herself. Why are hoshiyomi like this?

>>14775871
>it's been for sale for 27 hours
>it's still in stock
What went wrong? Usually bolo merch sells everything out in 20 minutes.

>>14775976
You know she have alot of paypigs right? Just look at her SC..

>>14775954
they debuting onchristmas is mistake imo.
The holoEN girls will be doing their own christmas streams and also chrsitas has people too busy to watch streams.
it didnt cost anything to debut past newyear.

>>14776058
Uh yes?

>>14776085
*Christmas week

>>14775976
Because she always encourage merchs from the get go. She is a legit bussiness woman and even went as far as being in debt to produce her own merchs. That lammy sake was also her personal merchs that she nailed to partnered with without being an official collab from holo like Pekora and Aki ones

>>14775954
what? its on Sunday 7 pm (est) and 4 pm (pst)

>>14775773
>>14775809
Women being openly horny is a lot less appealing than I thought

>>14776071
Perfume is for females unless you wanna become wamy.

>>14775871
Miko smells like a whore!

>>14775943
The bar is just beating holostars for now. I think they're definitely capable of that.

>>14775871
Was expecting Watame's to sell out much more faster than than Towa and Aki. And was expecting Aki to be much further behind in sales. This is rather balanced.

>>14776164
Alternatively you spray it on your body pillow to give it that authentic smell

>>14776084
Why are you calling them paypigs anyway? It's fans. I buy their merch because I want to support them. It's like sportfans like buying jordan sneakers/shoes. Do you call those paypigs too?

>>14776071
40 dollars for 10mls of perfume is a hard sell

Astel:
>looks like a fag
>is literally gay/bisexual
>design looks like complete shit unlike the NijiEN males
>fanbase is 80% + EOP
>still the most watched holostars
Yeah, I don't see why they couldn't beat them based on this.

Sana...

>>14776175
Well they can but people acting like this is an industry changer rather than NijiEN expanding it's limited audience. I really think they will do great in SCs though.

>>14776319
she deserves it

>>14776058
>>14776090
I think I understood what to reply. AZKi's channel seems to be cursed by the algorithm and the instrumentals are too loud. Maybe that's the reason behind the underperformance but I think it's one of the most watched originals on AZKi's channel right now.

>>14776319
Also Bae's numbers. Wtf is she actually inclining?

>>14776384
It's like she had a collab with pekora or something.

>>14776319
IRyS...

What happened? Why has she stagnated so much now?

>>14775943
I think the reason Nijimales is successful is because of the lack of male streamers in JP?

>>14776421
too busy recording and also recovering her throat

>>14776175
>The bar is just beating holostars for now. I think they're definitely capable of that.
And what makes you say that? I'm willing to roll the decide and state there's plenty of NijiJP males doing worse than Holostars, and there's a proven audience on that end.

>>14776384
She clearly is. Her SCs are higher than ever. Her solo game CCV is still dogshit but her collab CCV is typically high. She's been out gaining Fauna recently too, the gap is only gonna get wider.
>>14776400
That happened barely 24 hours ago.

>>14776340
She said fuck you to her audience, I'm not sure any Holo member has openly said that to her audience.

>>14776494
Holostars have huge EOP following. Remove their EOPs and they'd be down to 2view territory. NijiEN males are the closest thing we can compare to them. They don't compete with any JP males.

>>14776576
>Holostars have huge EOP following
Yeah, cause they leech off the Hololive saviorfags. That's why they even know they exist. To think suddenly people will start giving a shit about nijimales is a joke. But hey, why waste breath explaining this when I can just let their inevitable bad numbers prove it.

>>14776421
Remember she was hired as a singer and not a streamer. She has been in the studio recording for a month now and hasn't been able to stream as much.

>>14776313
>has a whole arc of apex from literall noob to master
>has the voice that mogged 90% of male chuubas
>a menhera and actually fun streamer for both gender
Lets see anon.. lets see..

>>14776319
I'm not trying to be a schizo anti but Fauna doing extremely poorly while not actively debuffing herself. She's dead last in SCs, 4th in subs, has no singing ability, her ASMR always goes to shit, and only does well in CCV when in her slot. I really think she needs to step it up, she is becoming a massive embarrassment. If they only thing you have to say for yourself is "at least I'm not Sana" but still lose in the SC/gachi department to Sana you're abysmal.

21k for Kronii solo? damn

>>14776319
Eh, I think Sana existing is healthy. It proves that fans of Hololive aren't just blindly accepting something just because its Hololive. Also it proves that EN is maturing into its own legit branch that could grow to the size of JP one day. Just like JP has their runts, EN is getting their runts too. Being a runt isn't a terrible thing though since you are still going to have a dedicated group that watches you.