/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1471450030720569349

3M views on 神っぽい for La+
https://twitter.com/LaplusDarknesss/status/1471618196654673921

NIJICOPE LIST
>building a sub-culture
>slow and steady growth
>merch sales
>no longer showing off their achievements on their page because they have shown more humility
>percentages
>ratio
>tournaments don't count
>fortune telling
>volume
>averages
>total CCV during primetime
>trailers are ads
>Google trends
>Holo EN was a desperate gambit
>Holo's forcibly acquired audience vs Niji's natural growth
>stop picking on midgets! fight someone your own size!
>pit Vshojo against HoloEN when you're losing
>pit HoloEN against HoloJP when you're losing
>pit former Holo against HoloJP when you're losing
>Holobubble is bursting
>foreign buff/global audience bad, muh local Nips good
>YouTube Japan trends
>Apex will only get more popular from now on!
>flexible creative freedom
>Holo's restrictive management will cause them to eventually graduate
>Cover uses bots
>Hal is honorary Niji
>Kson is honorary Niji
>Ui is honorary Niji
>Most vtubers are Nijisanji like and Nijisanji is part of greater vtuber community
>Nijisanji fans are more passionate about their livers and will leave dislikes to show their engagement
>Sponsorships are retarded
>Hololive's merch and sponsorship bad because companies underestimated them which means that they don't care about the cheap collab
>Koshien is not an event
>Nijisanji is solidifying their other markets while keeping their strong home market
>pre-recorded lives are technically premiers and shouldn't count
>Cover is just lucky to have clippers and algorithm on their side
>Hololive invented unicorns
>watchalongs are POVs
>Nijisanji isn't a corporation, it's a family
>each Twitch viewer is equivalent to about 1.5 Youtube viewers because Selen flopped her first Twitch stream and Selen never flops
>by promoting the main channel they create more general Nijisanji fans which will then trickle down to the smaller livers down the line
>subs to growth ratio
>subs to SC ratio
>*insert delusion about Selen here*
>VOD views don't count
>everything that brings a big audience is a special event
>Niji is mainstream in JP, which is more important than Hololive's international dominance
>Holo's main channel kneels to Niji main channel
>gen 3 should be left alone so Nijis can be properly compared to Holos
>Square Enix doesn't count
>combined peak CCV
>quality numbers
>dead cat bounce
>Holo merch sells out quick only because of scalpers
>Hololive is only popular because of chink clippers
>68% of the top 50 vtubers is bad
>Rightful sovereignty
>Ichikara has morals
>bug in the algorithm
>DLC is a gimmick
>Nijisanji has a better following than Hololive in the west
>There are no nijifans here, only falseflaggers trying to make Nijifans look bad
>Views don't matter
>only the west speaks english

Male wave is not happening till next year

>Numbers thread
>Midgets as the OP
Pffthahhahaha

>>14754191
>Nijisanji has a better/comparable following to Hololive in the west
It's not my fault you are brain damaged and didn't understand what I meant. Some holobrony said every English speaking Niji fan was from SEA and used google trends to back it up. Turns out that he shot himself in the foot because it shows the exact opposite; they're more likely to be from NA than holobronies are according to the data.

>>14753999
>>14754009
>>14754074
I meant that both hololive and nijisanji exist for a reason and instead of seeing as if they are consoles, you should appreciate the fact that there's diversity in culture that those agencies can gather people.
>>14754253
Yes, what a bad thing that I saw my error, conceded and corrected it. I don't know why I lose my time in this thread considering it's clear you guys despise nijisanji and don't try to have any conversation without console war stupidity.

Stop making bait OPs already ffs the threads are worse than ever, either use the manga panels or something equally neutral or let's go back to chart OPs since those are at least on topic

now you know why the last thread was shit >>14754295

>>14754380
Holobrony cope: put a strawman in his meme list when he loses an argument.

>>14754380

>>14754378
She gave the order to listen to it a lot. She is truly a number queen
https://twitter.com/LaplusDarknesss/status/1468821286285881347

>>14754511
>>14754558

>>14754558
>HoloEN Nov Total 222409
>NijiEN Nov Total 145912
So NijiEN lost again?

>>14754635
I thought Hololive is 10x more popular? Why are those nobodies catching up?

>>14754635
Nijiniggers also love to score own goals, apparently.

>>14754667
Still lost though.
>B-b-but my team only lost by 15 instead 30
>We totally won guise

What makes nijiniggers think they have permission to speak in the vicinity of humans?

This is for an English Duolingo stream lmao, EOP bros...

>>14754795
one of their kind hijacked the op and made them think they were human

>>14754635
As always, but nijiniggers will be nijiniggers and eternally cope. It's what they do.

>>14754667
Because successful vtubers get additional revenue streams including some that require off stream commitments, at which point superchats become less important and a poor investment in their time and effort? Newbies and 2views survive on superchats. At the top end sponsorships and merch dominate. This isn’t just vtubers traditional streamers go through the same evolution in general

The announcement isnt the male gen it's merchandise.

>>14754737
Two more months of HoloEN sinking at current rate and Nijis will be on top.

>>14754877
Funny how two years ago you were coping about NijiJP vs HoloJP numbers in the same way. Just embrace the fall.

>>14754887
What? Are they gonna start doing 4hr celebration streams for NEXT Years Birthday in advance?

>>14754934
Don't be retarded, 99% of this thread wasn't around before the EN debuts

>>14754887
>At current rate
Holy shit you are incredibly retarded. NijiEN has hit its ceiling, they did a good job of inclinig to their current max potential and have already stopped inclining.

If Chloe continues getting superchats at her current rate she'll pass Rushia in in total yearly superchats by the end of the month. Does this sound retarded? Apply yourself.

>>14755005
She was just doing Jump King for 2h.

So it look were getting a HoloX AmongUs collab Chloe is the only one with a frame up at this moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgpQZtLpEKA

>>14755071
AMOGUS

>>14755037
They are doing better this month than last. Once that chart gets updated with December Holocope will be even better.

where was the anon saying nijijp does nothing for EN? oh yeah, I forgot they don't actually watch or are part of nijisanji fanbase to see fans sharing interactions kek
https://twitter.com/maimoto_k/status/1471630005545631744?s=20

>>14755005
It’s pretty weird actually how so many of EN cultivate superchats. Not sure if just lazy or they are explicitly pursuing a strategy. Ina never gave any fucks about them and send to have good members and sold merch out even before Gura which may suggest pent up demand. Might not be a bad strategy if you just don’t feel like spending hours of your life reading superchats

>>14754558
Despite "losing" the Nijis really do punch above their weight in SCs. Of course they do put a lot more effort into it as well, a lot of the Holos just don't seem to care about the SC portion of their revenue.

>>14755119
>>14755037
>>14754877
Remember when muh merch was the Nijicope?

>>14755048
Cool, should we start pulling Mori's cooking stream too?

WAVE 4
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1471631231066337280

>>14755037
>If Chloe continues getting superchats at her current rate she'll pass Rushia in in total yearly superchats by the end of the month
No she'd have just under 500k which is less than a third of what Rushia has, she'd be 16th for the year

>>14755265
It's not a cope if it's true.

>>14755231
They simply stream more and their streams are more fun, especially collabs. So even much smaller viewer base throws money at them. The only blatant SC farming was the last Rosemi stream and it only turned that way because chat wanted it.

>>14755332
>ITS REAL
ITS REAL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdABx8gOhSs
yep, here we go

>>14755332
Wait, five? Isn't that abit much?

>>14755119
At the end of the day most fans want a transaction and merch is pretty straightforward. Even JPs are less willing to supa if the message definitely wont be read.
Corpos could probably boost their SC revenue overnight if they started putting the messages directly on screen like twitch streamers do. They wouldn't even have to do a catchup reading.

>>14755390
Oh god, they actually went with the KPOP designs... They really are going hard on the western female weebs.

>>14755402
It shows confidence, both of NijiJP's most recent waves had 5 members too.

>>14755119
Ina can, and always has been able to, get by without them. She can make more money doing her day job than reading peoples names for hours. At this point Mori and even Kiara would be better spent using their time to do other things but out of a combination of habit, dedication to their fans, and probably a determination to earn as much as they can in what could possibly be a short-lived and lucrative career, keep doing the most to maximize the SC portion of their revenue. For Council and IRyS who don't have much merch yet it probably still makes sense to go for them.

>>14755390
Huh, that one anon was right about them probably going full kpop.

>>14755458
Good move honestly.

>We want the fujo audience

>>14755390
holy cringe

>>14755512
*KPOP audience

>>14755390
>nobody has a burger permanently affixed to their head
dropped

>>14755390
They look hot, I hope holoX get to collab with them soon

>>14755071
can you even play amogus with only 5 people

how's this supposed to work girls

>>14755390
>we want the fujo audience
This is going to blow up, whether that's in the good sense or bad sense remains to be seen

>>14755593
You can, it just sucks

>>14755507
Fujos dont watch vtubers

>>14755484
It's ether that or just Nijisanji going full steam ahead on floodig the market

>>14755490
Faggot you have no fucking idea how much they get with merch and how their contracts really look. Mori and Kiara were always SC queens in EN and they will continue being so. Mori was a fucking janitor living on scraps and Kiara was a failed idol one step away from JAV. Hololive made them rich.

>>14755332
ISRAEL

>Bunch of twinks
Manjisanji strikes again. Say goodbye to your beloved NijiEN females, they're living on borrowed time.

>>14755512
What the fuck is up with NijiEN and having samey designs? They had the same thing going on with wave 1 and 2 too where all the girls are basically different variations on the same archetype

>>14755512
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww nijikeks so gay

To no one's surprise, Selen isn't hosting this time.
Elira and Oliver.

>>14755512
Shit, new rate up banner on genshin?!

>>14755332
>sorcerer, i hardly even know her

>>14755512
Okay, to prevent hindsight 20/20, how would you set the threshold for this to be success or a flop? Keep in mind this will be the first real effort to pander to the western female market.

Here's mine:
>Subs before debut
Flop: <15k
Success: >30k

>peak CCV during debuts
Flop: <10k
Success: >25k

>First weak median peak CCV
Flop: <2k
Suxcess: >5k

Regardless of how it goes, it'll be at least interesting that we can gauge how large this particular market really is this weekend.

>>14755688
They look like a boyband. That's why.

>>14755654
is mori even rich? she said she still couldn't really get a house on a recent stream

>>14755512
RIP HoloEN

>>14755512
>This is what the average nijifaggot unicorn is supporting
NijiEN chats are going to be wild the next few days. Literally can't wait for the number analysis on the first 3 waves and the tears in a couple weeks.

>>14755512
gayshits wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

>>14755512
>+5 members
>just for the EN branch alone
>this, the year of our lord, 2021
Why is Nijisanji like this?

>>14755512
What are the odds they steal Holostars audience? They have a lot of EOPs

>>14754635
>>14755231
Hold on. Numberfag with me a moment. Isn't Nijisanji actually winning based on average SC per viewer. Like Hololive EN absolutly eclipses Niji EN with Sub and Viewer number but only beat Niji EN by $76497.

Nijisanji EN combined is sub 2million subs meanwhile Holo EN is is somewhere around 10 millions subs. The average viewers for Holo EN is also something like 10 millions subs.

So no Hololive isn't beating Niji EN in fact they appear to be woefully under performing while Niji EN might be overperforming based on viewers and subs. If anything this appears to be a case of Hololive Fans declaring themselves victors when they really aren't and the amount they are winning buy actually reflects back on them how insecure they are.

>>14755889
It's fucking 5 channel now, but it will immune from Susan cull, cuz pretty boi

>>14755390
Let me ask any homos ITT, are they that attractive?

>>14755889
NijiEn's had some time to build an audience and has been inclining, aren't these too close to the wave 3 numbers?

>>14755798
Wait, really? I would've thought that they'd at least give ethyria a chance to host, especially seeing how they got screwed by the last one.

>>14755889
Subs 10k+ success
Premier CCV 10k+ success
First week CCV 500+ success

If they can do 3/4ths what the girls do they're in decent shape. If they're significantly weaker, and fall off a ton after starting, it will call into question whether it would be worthwhile to release anymore male waves.

>>14755990
Neck yourself ratio nigger

>>14756012
The kind of fanbase NijiEN has built has literally zero overlap with this kpop band. They're basically starting from zero.

Sc metrics is only good for measuring how much someone earn and how good they are at baiting scs. In reality, you only need a few gachikois to earn good scs. I have sc data for jp girls from one tw anon on the gachikois name and how much they contributed to the total scs all over the years. You will be surprised when you look at it. One gachikoi contributed about 30% of overall scs of one of the s tier holo with high sc earning. One low tier holo has one gachikoi that contributed almost 50% of her sc earning. These are literally sugardaddy tier of money lol. I will refrain from showing the data to prevent harassment towards the gachikois and doxing and internet harassment is a crime in taiwan.

>>14756030
That's definitely weird, I thought it was Wave 1 hosting 2, 2 hosting 3 etc

>>14755390
based on voice alone I'm thinking demon and sorcerer are going to be the most successful. the first two sounded too much like e-boys and the fourth I'm not sure on

>>14756045
You fear ratios because they speak the truth. Nijisanji EN is actively competing with Holo EN on the SC side of things despite having FAR FAR smaller number of subs and average viewers.

After being held back for a while by Kanata, Nimu moves ahead of her for the first time, also tying with Watame.

>>14756163
I dont watch either company any more but it's funny to see holo fans call anyone a flop after council, which is a literal failure by hololive standards.

NijiEN girls already flirting with the guys, let's see if this lasts past debut.

>>14755990
That's what punching above their weight means in this context. They get proportionally more SC from a smaller fanbase. For an extreme example of this there's a streamer named Ayamy, who is the illustrator of Mel in Hololive, that has 50k subs and streams to under 100 people but has earned $125,000 by doing a super dedicated GFE act.

>>14755904
Mori made enough money on superchats alone to afford a small house back in her hometown. But buying a house in JP as a gaijin is incredibly difficult. A lot of them don’t even like to rent to foreigners honestly

>>14756154
Wave 3 is so shit, niji management won't let them

>>14756207
Nobody cares spic faggot

>>14756061
If they're "starting from 0" they'll have like 500 subs like the males in Tsunderia. I guarantee you that won't happen and there will be some level of overlap with Niji EN and even Holo EN's audience that has been waiting for male streamers.

>>14755990
Anon... If a team shoots more 3s than the opposing team, they technically would have a higher point average per scored possession. Don't mean shit though if they still lose 98-115

>>14755904
You might be underestimating property values, especially if she wants to live near Tokyo.

>>14756334
but my ratio beat your ratio, so get fucked holobro

>>14756061
kpopfags hate weebshit

>>14756303
>someone posts numbers
>in the numbers thread
>REEEE NOBODY CARES
Why are 2views like this?

>>14756061
NijiEN's fanbase consists of ex-Holofags upset that holos don't collab with men enough for their liking, they'll love this.

>>14756330
>Holo audience, unicorn central
>Wanting male streamers
I want some of whatever you're smoking. MAYBE there's a very tiny overlap with NijiEN at most, but I wouldn't count on it.

>>14756234
There's chuubas who have earned that much with 5k subs

>>14754558
Month to date out of curiosity (JST)

Mori $45494
Kiara $28023
>Millie $21051
>Selen $18064
Gura $17115
Bae $12669
>Rosemi $11514
Ina $10964
Kronii $10940
>Pomu $9899
>Petra $8830
IRyS $8697
Ame $7965
>Nina $7119
Sana $7074
>Enna $5690
Mumei $5548
Fauna $5066
>Reimu $4925
>Elira $4228
>Finana $3373

>HoloEN
Myth: $109,591
Council: $41,297
Total: $150,888

>NijiEN
Lazulight: $17,500
Obsydia: $38,408
Ethyria: $38,785
Total: $94,693

>>14756336
The bigger problem is her job. She really has one year of income history which is basically nothing when trying to calculate her risk profile. Banks don’t like to lend with such an unstable income. She could always pay cash but that’s usually a terrible idea. That money could be put to better use

>>14756443
Anon I think you might be spending a little too much time on here

>>14756472
This is counting Selen and Millie's 4 hour celebration stream, right? I honestly expected higher.

>>14756443
The majority of the English-speaking fanbase loves male streamers, hololive has been neglecting them by not pushing for collabs with the holostars

>>14756439
This is verifiably not the case, have you ever watched any NijiEN streams at all and paid attention to chat? Plus they've been cultivating unicorns for the past 3 months, which shows in their pronounced superchat incline and is the antithesis of fostering a sentiment for collabs with dudes.

>>14756334
It depends on how you are scoring in the first place. Your analogy falls apart because it involves a clear metric for success. There is no clear metric for success here.

>Holofans
WE HAVE BIGGER NUMBERS WE WIN!
>Nijifans
WE HAVE A BETTER AVERAGE WE WIN!

It's all just pissing in the wind by the fanbases. I just like to look at numbers and see how chuubas grow I could give a shit less about the dick measuring. If you want to take something from it. All it really shows is the average Nijifan Supahs more then the average Holofan.

>>14755512
Nice designs but its going to look really weird when these guys start making fart jokes and get bullied by the girls.

Please Niji staff

Release a comedy-focused male EN wave. The obligatory 'serious' male wave is out so there's no need to retread for the next one

>>14756472
Didnt millie and selene had their birthdays this month

>>14755390
>>14755512
I kinda hope they're successful, seeing the nijiEN girls losing to males (and fujos) would be absolutely hilarious.

>>14756574
They collab with NijiJP and NijiID males all the time and it's boosted them because that's what fans want to see.

>>14756566
It's counting both, yes.

>>14756474
She is honestly much better off just biting the bullet and purchasing a house cash if she's looking to have permanent residence in Japan, especially if it's a new construction. Otherwise, she's better off just paying rent.

What's the bet that some nijifag is going to try and sneak the announcement onto the hololive reddit?

new JP holo gen sucks

new EN holo gen sucks

the only good thing about hololive is Pekora.

>>14756472
>Total: $150,888
meanwhile chloe: $166,018

>>14754569
I like her strategy of chasing tangible numbers over Chloe who chases superchats. Good numbers will ensure you get all kinds of oppurtunities while paypigs are fickle and can disappear at a moments notice.

>>14756639
Except it hasn't boosted them. Look at how many superchats they get in those collabs vs solo streams. I'd post some stats but I'm on my phone right now so I guess I'll have to wait to make my case.

>>14756581
That's a whole lot of words just to say you lost in the end my guy.

>>14756472
Fun fact: If you discounted Mori's outfit reveal but kept all the other numbers the same, she'd still be top

>>14756574
>Plus they've been cultivating unicorns for the past 3 months
All of them collab with males, some very often.

>>14756303
Nah, it's interesting to see how far the non-holos in the top ranks can get, how many Holos they can manage to pass and whether or not they can hold it in the long run.

>nijien male wave
>kuzuha minecraft tournament
>haruka 3d debut
niji winning today!

>>14756661
Oof maybe but she probably wants a nice place in the greater Tokyo area that’s some serious money. It would lock up so much of her money in a single asset. Renting probably makes the most sense for quite a while

>>14756717
Superchats aren't everything, tangible numbers is better.

>>14756723
I SC my indie oshi. I care not for your foolish contests.

>>14756717
>superchats
>collabs
Holy shit is there a single person in this entire fucking thread who knows anything about numbers? You SEA monkeys and spics barely have two braincells between you to rub together

>Superchats are suddenly not tangible
I guess numbers are only tangible when they support your narrative huh.

>chloe kneeled

>>14756815
Oh shit, I just rewatched the original broly movie last night (don't ask me why). So cool... Yet so dumb...

Wave 4 will either be the most popular NijiEN generation or the least popular, it doesn't feel like there's an in-between.

>>14755402
No

>>14756717
>collabs vs solo streams
They get less SC in collabs too retard.
Everyone gets less in collabs unless it is specific events.

>>14756968
It ends with Goku punching Broly really really hard... but fuck is it cool watching Broly kick the shit out of everyone.

>>14756988
it's fujoshits, you lose either way

>>14756472
The fact Mori evolved into the equivalent of a five tool player who gets decent ccv and watch time while also having top tier superchats, views, and subs still baffles me. Goes to show especially for inexperienced streamers they need time to grow and find their niche.

>>14755904
LOL thats obvious its harder for foreigners to get house in japan heck its tedious to even get an apartment in japan as a foreigner.

>>14756988
I think they will siphon some of the girl's fanbases.
Not to mention the nonstop shipping that's going to happen.

So, niji EN wave 4 debut is guaranteed gold + Niji marika
Still enough to close the gold gap this month

>>14756811
That's the kind of business that the entertainment industry is. When you make it, you make it big and you will not have qualms about how you spend. But once the 15 minutes are up, you better off have made your expenses count or you're in for a rough rest of your life. Ever seen those videos/stories of "whatever happened to x" after they lived out their time in fame?

>>14757199
Look I know this is bait but it made me guffaw. You earned this (you)

>>14757145
EN market was not saturated then and the brand carried her until she could make it. If Cover had debuted 20 more ENs in a year things would be different.

>NijIEN Male

Worst Niji debut incoming?

Niji en males has ikemen type avatars but they keep cracking coomer and cringe jokes. I have a feeling they don't even understand yumejoshi culture lol.

>>14756602
And Myth had outfit reveals.

10 minutes ago I'd have predicted success, but watching them tweet, this is going to be a hilarious trainwreck and massive failure. Looking forward to the debuts.

>>14757232
you laugh but Cover was so worried about NijiEN stealing attention from their JP gen 6 debut that they cancelled Ollie's collab with Selen
>>14757332
they're perfectly fine for the EN market, they're here for the bros not the hos

one of the wave 4 boi is a deadbeat...

>>14757145
TTRPG arc saved Mori. She started actually having fun instead of forcing herself to stream.

I'm guessing Vox is the leader cause all the guys in the wave are going hard gay for him as well.

>>14757355
Birthdays are far better for sc.
Also ibdibt think the girls could do a 8hrs long outfit reveal as nijien is doing with birthdays nowdays.

>>14757452
This is chronoir tier number

Is Vox CorpseHusband? The voice sounds oddly similar.

>>14757291
Like ina's

which nijimale will jump out to the fastest start and take the place of Pomu/Selen evangelizing?

>>14757578
don't compare chronoir to whatever this is ever again

>>14757697
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>14757578
that's pretty gay. I can see it doing well for the girls

>>14757756
The gayest one

>>14755402
This is their ace up in the sleeves anon, their magnum opus, their HoloKiller, ofc it would came it 5. Just like selejo and edengumi

>>14757578
Might be wrong but I really don't remember Kuzuha and Kanae fujobaiting THIS hard

>>14757697
no it's chyrosran
unless corpse announce hiatus or graduation from offline tv

>>14754887
Oh no oh no oh no, Wosemi-chama I kneel....

>new Niji wave
Can't wait to dunk on their shitty numbers. I watched the preview and they are cringe as fuck. Male vtubers were a mistake and whoever came up with the idea should be ashamed of themselves.

>>14757700
More views than your 2view Niji

>>14757909
I don't watch niji but I look down on ina being the Sana of her gen.

>>14757903
Look obviously I’m not the target audience. But this is the cringe I thought I would feel when Myth debuted. Good god.

>>14757903
The most subscribed VTuber in the world is male, though.

>>14755889
They'll get 20k minimum at launch. There are plenty of people who know Niji by now compared to last year, and this is the first western male wave, so people will be curious

>>14757852
Desperate times call for desperate measures.

>>14757697
well he follows Mori.

>>14757962
Ina? Has the second highest ccv in her gen? She’s nothing like Sana numbers wise

>>14757962
>iNA
>saNA
Coincidence? I think not.

>>14757982
i'm the target audience and this is the cringiest most retarded shit ever, i'm 100% filtered

>>14758028
Corpse confirmed for Holostars. NijiEN about to get BTFO way harder than ever.

>>14758028
A fucking deadbeat. But jokes aside she seems like by far the most popular with 2view indies in general

>>14758112
vox also follows mori
he's a fucking deadbeat

Can this NijiEN wave beat Holostars? I think that's the more real question to ask

>>14758069
Tits or GTFO.

>>14758112
Uhhh bro, he posted that because Vox is following her too.

>>14758164
i think they will beat them...

Today's superchats

So when is the debut anyway? Will Susan cull them? 5 channel now instead of 3, which will be the runt of the wave? Easy 20k subs pre debut it would seems

>>14758164
They will. Because there are more people who understand English than Japanese

>>14758269
noripro got silver? but it's not the succubus that went missing?

>>14757982
Same, this is coming from someone who watches maimoto and yashiro.

Even the wife baiting Nina is cooming to Vox on twitter kek

>>14758295
But not all english speakers are into anime/fujoshit? How does that make sense

>>14757982
You mean you're still not cringing when watching Myth?

>>14758388
Imagine a holojp girl doing this. Fucking western vtubers man. It is fucking cringe.

>>14758333
Yeah Lilith is still radio silent, Warabe had her birthday countdown today. It's not uncommon at all to see Noripro at or near the top of this chart.

>>14758472
Matsuri

>>14757578
DONT YOU DARE COMPARE MY CHRONOIR TO THIS BOOTLEG 3RDRATE SHIT YOU SUBHUMAN EOP!

>>14758269
holox are so op on supas... and at least kanae stopped niji from being totally shut out lol

>>14758451
All I'm saying is that there is a larger pool for the EN Audience compared to JP and that this is the first all Male wave so people will be interested in them for the sheer oddity of it

>>14758269
Who is Hoozuki Warabe?

How is Wave4 doing?

Vox is guaranteed success but the others might flop

>>14757578
AHHHHHH EN KUZUHAAAAA
I KNEEL RIKU SAMAAAA

>>14758809
SHIKI NOOOOOOOOO!!!! not you too

>>14758809
2 views

So how many 2views gonna lose gachis over this

>>14758683
Not sure it will attract non-vtuber fans since they find virtual streaming weird in the first place

>>14758809
all of them have guaranteed success, nijiJP supports males heavily, JPfujos will be attracted to the nijiENmales for the same reason holofags are attracted to the JPholos, even if they don't know anything about the language

>>14758715
Noripro hag, has the same designer as Rushia. She had her birthday countdown today

>>14758949
holostars are guaranteed to lose, look at their chat, 90% is eops that now have a reason to throw money at AND actually communicate

>>14758683
I agree with him, hell i wouldn't be surprised if they initially got some of HoloEN's secondary audience due to EOP wanting to spite on Holo's general 'idol culture' in a way to push western values towards VTubing. Debuts may get upwards of 20-30k peak ccv and an inflated subs count if they play their cards right.
Though, this probably wouldn't last and they'll be averaging triple digits in a month or two.

There's tons of english speaking female viewers on twitter, youtube, discord, reddit. And gay men, and straight men. You guys really need to go out of the hololive bubble a bit to see them. They'll do as good as the girls.

https://twitter.com/macaronicheese0/status/1471639496517386241
kek another one nijibros...

>>14759281
I will spit on their faces if those bitches betray the stars. I remember the top donos as i myself is one of them. If i see their name on these faggots SC i'll band my fujo army to grudge and call them out on twitter

NijiEN thread thinks it found one of the new hires.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT4sbUOwNY4
tl;dw he loves cock and semen jokes

>>14759281
This, finally homos will gone for good
Their sub 1k ccv would be like 2view once the wave 4 debut

>>14759626
Based!

>>14759403
is this a bait for grudgeposting?

Mori talking about them too...
https://twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1471650470213353473

>>14759705
If you think there's no demand for male vtubers in the female anime fandom you're kidding yourself, look at how much outrage happened over FGO not releasing male servants and how everyone jumped ship to Granblue Fantasy because they could and did cater to the female gaze.

>>14759717
OH NO NO NO

>>14759717
Shit made me click
Go back to your general dedbit

>>14759717
Has she ever actually showed interested in Nijisanji? Outside of replying to them if they reply to her, I mean. I think a collab between her and Enna could be cute

>>14759717
Anon she's talking about teaching HoloJps English.

>>14759717
she's talking about the english classes she will give to the JPs retard chama...
although I totally see her collabing with them

>>14759776
>didn't click the link

>>14759717
That's about the english teaching thing she's preparing.

>>14759369
kek

>>14759717
Anonchama... This is about all the JP senpais responding to her tweet earlier today.
>>14759807
She won't, she flat out said in the TT interview that she knows her fans would not like if she interacted with certain people and she has been selling GFE shit recently.

>>14757434
i would say it wasnt the TTRPG arc, that's more on her getting a new chair which helped her back problems, the debut of council because potential friends and now being a legitimate on branch senpai (IRyS doesnt count), also that mysterious genmate who gave her a talk after the cuphead collab

>>14759816
>Elite English lesson with Mori
This will be Kino as fuck

https://youtu.be/a9aCoejYQvI

>>14757406
I know it's mostly shitposting, but this is honestly my feeling as well. I figured that they actually have an interesting window here to tap into a market that's otherwise unserved by current vtubers (now, if that market actually has any substance or numbers, we have no real idea and will just have to see) while also having the chance to pull in some average Joes who just want to watch entertaining streamers and enjoy the novelty.

But given their tone and taste in humor, I really doubt they'll have any traction with that second group. Seems like they're going all-in on the first, and hoping there's enough there to give them success. I'm inclined to think there isn't.

>>14759863
>implying she give a fuck
she will do whatever she wants and haters will just keep hating

>>14760002
You're out of touch with average Joes if you think their sense of humour is not going to appeal to the masses. Most people love it.

>>14760002
I hope they fail and fail hard. I watched the trailer and I hate this so much. Fuck anybody who supports this garbage.

>>14759815
I did.

HoloEN????

>>14760063
>most people love fujobait jokes

>>14758269
December superchats so far
>Chloe - $165,920
>Iroha - $112,722
>Laplus - $106,322
>Rushia - $79,436
>Koyori - $71,584
>Nene - $70,653
>Hayato - $64,415
>Ayame - $55,300
>Flare - $53,160
>Shion - $45,738
>Pekora - $43,981
>Lui - $43,737
>Lamy - $39,634
>Mori - $39,573
>Fubuki - $38,352

>>14760090
WHERE?

God damn Oliver's tweet is hilarious. He's basically saying
>I don't know why they called me for this but I'm hosting the en wave 4 with elira!

Seriously why did they even hire wave 3? To make selen incline and suck some superchats?

>>14760114
JESAS

>>14760090
Of fuckin course when the males get announced, nijisanji en INCLINES, for fucks sake it really is mansanji kek

>>14760114
HoloX have already pulled 500k

>>14760103
Most people aren't homophobes.

So is anyone gonna track sub gains?
I'm feeling pretty lazy this time around so I'm not doing it.
They're at 3k at 1-1/2 hours in.

>>14760114
>Playboard

>>14760090
the buff is real

>>14760385
Oh god, I just realized this is going to become the new "people didn't sub to Sana because they're racist" meme

>>14759863
like last time?
or the one previous to that?

>>14757848
Why would a group of guys kill numbers for a group of girls? Its retarded like the Idolmaster anime putting Jupiter as the rivals. Guy groups and girl groups target different people. If anything, NijiEN males will eat up NijiJP males food and bury Holostars even deeper.

this is the power of EN male vtuber

>>14760143
And as always ID became the foster child forgotten again

>>14760385
lmao

>>14760490
The EN market is different from the JP market, cross-gender collabs are welcome or even preferred and most EN vtubing fans have been waiting for this.

>>14756573
The majority of the English-speaking fanbase also loves drama and eat that shit up like you wouldn't believe
Hololive don't have to cater to that fucking meta

>>14760406
Damn, they gonna beat wave 3 pre debut subs

>>14760197
If you want to watch girls, you watch Holo, If you want to watch males, you watch Niji. Its been this way for a long time now. Why act surprise?

>>14760494
OH NO NO NO HOLOSISTERS

>>14760544
The EN and JP markets are different, yes, but in the exact opposite way that you seem to believe they are.

>>14760554
They don't have to but they will fall behind when the other companies play the meta game. Imagine sordid, public relationship drama between three or more livers in a company, it'd bring in loads of views. If Hololive is a SOL anime, NijiEN has the potential to become a long-running spic telenovela if they play their cards right.

>>14760490
>NijiEN males will eat up NijiJP males food and bury Holostars even deeper.
I need this to happen

>>14760544
Like, how much crossover is there between Pokimane with XQC? If they both stream at the same time will either be significantly affected?
>>14760554
Hasan vtuber still needed

>>14760114
Jesus this would be a strong month already and we're only halfway through, Chloe is going to milk the xmas eve superchats hard I can tell already

>>14760494
>>14760598
This is the power of Dream SMP. Don't compare it to Holo/Niji or any vtubers. Vtubers are shiters compared to the masked man and his friends.

>>14760750
DREAM CONFIRMED FOR VTUBER

>>14758164
I Mean look at their announcement tweet, the fan is excited all over that tweet

>>14760566
They will get 200k subs before pomu

>>14760845
How do we save Pomu?

>>14760810
Would legit debuff him.
>>14758164
Probably. Holostars aren't that good. Can't even beat mid-tier Nijimales.

Holy fuck pomu is inclining

>>14758028
Oh no no no no
Nijibros ... Please be kind to the boy lmao

In other subs news, HoloX seem to have gotten another burst of subs yesterday

>>14760910
OH MY GOD IS THAT 4 THOUSAND VIEWERS? FOUR THOUSAND VIEWERS HOLY FUCKING SHIT

>>14759281
>>14758949
It will be the EXACT same thing that happened to the holos /r/eddit tried to save pre-holoEN, aka
>Aki Rose
but this time, for the stars
who is safe?
>Roberu
solid nip fanbase
>Shien
solid fujo fanbase
>Rikka
old enough fanbase and almost no EOPs
>Oga
he's doing great with the nips, it's not outstanding but it's solid
who can be saved?
>Astel and Izuru
they have the indie JP scene and they are starting to get a piece of the HoloJP buff, half of their fans are EOPS, so they will still lose half of them, proportionally they will be the ones who lose more but they have enough to not die
>Aruran/Temma/Miyabi
they are pretty much dying already and none of them have reach outside the stars, they are not particularly notable in any aspect either

>>14760974

>>14760896
Would he still be relatively big as a VTuber compared to other VTubers?

>>14759369
The homobeggar audience don't even watch the stars themselves, they only appear when there is a collab in chat saying how they finally got what they deserved and fuck off 5 mins later lol.

>>14757145
She will not get much more until the end of the year since she doesn't read SC from collabs

>>14760979
i can hardly see an repeat of aki's case with the homos since she needed a clip to be saved while i doubt the homos will provide material for that one clip that could save them

>>14760438
oh fucking kill me now.

Kneel to the savior of Western male vtubers.

>>14760970
I don't think they did, holostats' sub and view count was frozen for like 2 days and catched up all at once a few hours ago.

>>14761042
>she doesnt read SC from collabs
i mean, collabs generally generate low amounts of SC so is not like it could make a difference

>>14760970
Council bros...

>>14760974
The power of MALES
>>14761005
If everyone knew he was Dream? Yes.

>>14760970
Council also got a boost

Kronii's upcoming stream waiting room is at 6k

>>14761169
Could he beat Gura?

Does everyone find it funny that immediately when the males get announced, pomu gets a huge fucking boost.

>>14760974

>>14760979
Don't the stars already have more beggars than Aki ever did, and for a far longer period of time?

>>14761157
Aussies aren't great. Ban would probably do better in Council compared to rat and space.

>>14761200
Is there anything specifically funny about it being Pomu?

>>14761196
not surprising, kronii's zatsus are honestly her best content that is not named MC or karaoke

>>14761116
Ah, didn't know that, that's probably the case then.

>>14761198
Yes. Its Dream. He has a huge and radical fanbase that resemble KPOP stans.

>>14760646
>If they play their cards right
DYRBI

>>14761200
More like she is doing la creatividad stream and no holoen is streaming now so some dd watchers are watching her.

>>14761200
She's doing a gimmick stream Ace Attorney style.
Along with 0 fucking HoloEN streams for the past few hours.

>>14761200
Its expected. She has the highest chance among those streaming now to maybe mention something about the new guys.

>>14761209
if you think what people do here is begging, then you really never saw anything about Aki, the homos have never asked for other people to watch them and there's multiple clips of Aki doing so
the homos are in a ground closer to Towa post-yab, a side abandons them and another picks them up

>>14761200
Finana didn't get any boost despite doing the actual announcement during her stream. It's just a novelty Pomu stream that people were interested in.

>>14761392
Your reading comprehension anon.
>Don't the stars already have more beggars than Aki ever did

>>14761392
You're gonna get greyniggers begging for NijiEN male collabs on Holo streams now.

>>14761506
they have been doing it with ecelebs for quite some time now, the annoying niggers will be the ones SC'ing to ask them about their thoughts

>>14760385
It doesn't make you homophobic to not wanna see men kiss and make out

>>14761506
Nope. Those greyniggers don't want to watch actually successful male vtubers (NijiJPs) because they want to pretend that males can't make it in the vtuber industry.

>>14760406

>>14760578
Good point. If anything, we gotta really respect those guys for having audiences in a world that favors women/cunny/titty

>>14761606
Their designs could be better. They've got nothing on Kuzuha, Fuwa and Ibrahim.

>>14761606
Shu...

>>14761606
midgets

>>14761606
Shoe bros....

>>14761637
??? It doesn't. Nijimales is proof. If you're shit then no matter what the company does, you can't incline.

>>14760114
Lui, while being the lowest superchatted of her gen, still ranks on top 15. Nice!

>>14761606
Did they get culled? How the fuck is vox lower than the rest when every 2view vtuber is wetting themselves over him.

>>14761606
Huh i thought Vox was suppose to be the leader but he is almost last.

>>14761758
Not a cull. Even I as a man know that he isn't that appealing. Ike Eveland suki

>>14761606
Are they going to use the HoloX strategy to stop the culling? Wait. Does HoloX strategy even work?

>>14761777
He's the Baelz of his gen, he'll incline hugely later

>>14761777
he might be the one who gets shit done genwise like the collabs

>>14761209
I just hope beggars went to NijiEN and let stars at peace

>>14761758
>>14761777
Voxbros, how do we save him?

>>14761156
Most her content will be collabs, unarchived karaoke and VODs

>>14760494
Nijimales will do minecraft roleplay and attract mcyt audiences

>>14761206
Kroni is declining.

>>14760974
>kronii starts
>pomu loses over 1K
they really are holoEN's waiting room lmao

>>14761758
While I won't rule out susan fuckery, keep in mind that what 2views love isn't necessarily what viewers love.

>>14761758
>every 2view vtuber is wetting themselves over him
Just like anons here or people on reddit or people on twitter, they are not the majority.

>>14761606
My numbers are different

>>14761726
Why are they shit then if not that coomer males dominate the anime markets?

Prediction, what will this new NijiEN's debut number be?
Can they beat Council? Will they incline Niji's failing KR base?

>>14761911
Might as well with APEX dying.

>>14761992
could it be?

That's not a normal zatsudan

>>14762071
It's...advanced zatsudan.

>>14762017
If they beat Council with minecraft streams, I will kneel. It will be solid evidence Council is trash. As for debut, no clue what to expect really. I know that whatever numbers they get, people will shit on it. So I wanna have no expectaiton

>>14762071
korean + bait in the title

>>14762067
They better start uploading some sort of content to their channels. Even if its just twitter reactions thats good enough

>>14761997
??? Nijimales aren't shit. Holostars are shit. Learn the difference. Cover actually does shit for Holostars despite their shite numbers. Some Nijimales with better numbers don't even get that.
>>14762017
>Can they beat Council?
They will guarantee beat Fauna/Bae/Sana. Not sure about Kronii/Mumei who are carrying council.
>Will they incline Niji's failing KR base?
Why would they affect that?

>>14761726
>Nijimales is proof
You mean ... Aside from like ... 5 guys ...

>>14761946
wow, that's rude and wrong. Pomu's stream was basically over and you can see the viewer dropoff after the storyline ended.

>>14762071
>title explicitly saying that is a challenge
no shit sherlock, at least it will bring better numbers

>>14762071
>currently at 12k
This'll be a fun one

>>14762017
it all depends on how good their RP is

Why is the Nijicope so strong right now?

>>14762179
Kuzuha/Kanae/Fuwa/Ibrahim/Maimoto/Yashiro/Toya/Kagami/Elbio/etc but you probably won't care because you'd rather just shut out everything except Holostars so you can act all persecuted and complain that males can't be successful in vtubing while ignoring the actual successful ones.

>>14762174
I agree with you faggot. I am saying male vtubers with higher numbers deserve respect

hmm

>>14762309
Nijifags+homofags+fags that want girls to play with guys

>>14762395
Anon, you lost?

>>14762360
ANYONE with higher numbers deserve respect dumbass. Males don't specifically need more respect.

>>14762395
what the fuck is this ?

>>14762395
honestly, pretty funny seeing some of the smaller corpo and stray nijien fans coping about their oshis lusting after the male wave.

>>14762548
Not saying that, are you okay mentally?

>>14762192
I forgot to quote this anon who cropped the title >>14761206
The number was too high for a regular chatting stream

>>14761606
>>14761992

>>14762309
There's literally no winning for them. If the males fail they'll just be laughed at, if they are successful the girls will be laughed at and manjisanji will be true for EN too.

>>14762525
>>14762594
it was from elira's tweet

Oh nonono. Males are going to save Nijisanji EN.

Clock 17k holly shit! She back as top dog???

>>14761606
>>14761992

>>14762525
this is /nijien/ now apparently

>>14761946
kek

>>14762815
It's going to tank when she doesn't react like she's dying to the noodles.

>>14762815
Top dog of what?

>>14762815
About fucking time she stopped wasting all her potential.

>>14762934
Did Kiara slap her into shape after one collab? kek

Someone explain clock's continued Korean chat presence. It feels like she hasn't done anything for that audience in an eternity, right?

>>14762815
She always had the talent but lazyness killed her momentum.

>>14762395
wrong thread

Selen going to do a guerilla Apex on twitch again. What's her number last time?

>>14762799
>trends for you

>>14762799
I dont see it. I see spiderman trending tho

>>14763059
Dead game who cares.

>>14762815
19K Get!

>>14762799
Those are your personal trends anonchama.

>>14763109
Spiderman VTuber when?

>>14763035
Lot of kr clips also she's korean.

>>14762799
anon...

>>14762395

Come on clock get that 20k.

>>14763158
Has the Korean clipping community continued sticking with her? Given her time off I figured they'd shift around a bit, plus some of the homegrown KR talent taking off lately.

When a new a Holo gen gets announced, vt is flooded with posts and baits about them, but I don't see that many posts about NijiEN4 despite them being the first male big corpo EN wave. Why?

bros... how do we save gen 5?

>>14763025
I will fucking kneel to the chicken if she can make Kronii out of that depressed state
Say way you want about Kiara, but she's good with shits like this

>>14763035
Watch streams. Hell, even yesterday's clips would be enough to understand.

>>14763207
Cause were not gays.

>>14763233
But can she save herself?

>>14763202
Uh yes, what kind of an inbred pathetic cum for brain are you?

>>14763109
It's not in the trending topics

>>14763283
Those who save others cannot save themselves.

>>14763201
20k get.

>>14763135
Still number 1.

>>14763202
Yep, one of the channel still get good view numbers
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2fvhDgem6GHbeUgSog-LZg/videos

>>14763283
kiara's numbers are pretty decent outside of jrpgs, but they're like 80% of her streams

>>14763357
In japan lol. You en not jp.

>>14758809
more

>>14763322
>FNAF trending again
How?

>>14763322
weak

20k get

20k minecraft, 17k marioparty collab, 25k Unarchive Karaoke, and now 20k just chatting spicy noodles. How did that Kiara Collab only get 4k lmao.

>>14763226
Lamy is streaming in the morning on a Friday and the majority of her fans are Salarymen.

>>14763575
Cope

Males en niji going to kill niji en girls. Kiss that superchats goodbye pomu.

>>14763504
new game

>>14763226
there are chuubas that need more help anon

>>14763641
those superchats

>>14763609
*clears throat*.. have sex.

>>14763574
Diablo debuff

>>14763658
they have a better SC/subs ratio than Wamy lmao