/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

>Guaranteed Replies: the pic
Oh, this is going to be one of those threads....

https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1471450030720569349

Did FBK get any gold from fishing?

>>14740316
IT'S PEEEWWWDIEPIE!

https://youtu.be/d_gU_Q0Fp_I

This is why NijiEN can never be compared to to HoloEN even in Japan. You will never see Mito, Kuzuha, Himawar, Lize or any veterans promote and praise Selen or Pomu.

>>14740390
Only spic shitposters now

>>14740433
What if they got stand-up comedians?

>>14740441
they have their own channel for big events like NY in TV instead

>>14740441
NijiJP senpais are too embarrassed admitting nijien flop numbers

Upcoming schedule

>>14740441
>This is why NijiEN can never be compared to to HoloEN even in Japan
>this is why
they shouldn't

>>14740441
Maybe but Holo EN was already more popular than Nji EN ever will be before any of the JP Holos said anything about them.

>>14740525
kek

>>14740528
If it's important, translations onegai. If it's a normal luna schedule, fuck off.

>>14740441
HoloJP treat the EN has equals or even look up to some of them.
Huge difference between NijiJP and NijiEN.

>>14740428
no

I respect Lui, Iroha and Chloe for actively engaging EOPs buy having English chatting and study streams. The other two, well, I guess they can do better.

>>14740441
Foolish Japanese comedian doesn't he know about muh CCV and dead subs he should be impressed with Pekora's metrics she is nr 2 streamer(forma del femme)

>>14740626
Pekora is his oshi

>>14740608
Koyori tries to incorporate EN into her morning programs. La+ doesn't care and never will. She's of the non-Hololive mold.

>>14740608
>English chatting and study streams
Those are usually their worst performing streams though.

>>14740626
Who cares, it's still Hololive so he can praise both. Niji still gets none.

>>14740626
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlofD3z1t2E

>>14740591
kek , she has the highest median excluding Ayame, but no gold.

>>14738217
>>14738241
I kinda have to ask, but aren't 2-3 holos also doing university parallel to their streams? (Shion, Haachama etc.) Did Bora not have the option to reduce streaming times to prioritize Uni? Or was it just a case of Korean parents not letting her half-ass Uni?

https://nlab.itmedia.co.jp/nl/articles/2112/14/news170.html
It was ANYCOLOR that made an appeal to DLSite about stopping the sale of R18 doujins that feature livers, according to EISYS PR.
>作品の審査基準に関して詳細な内容は伏せさせていただきますが、権利者様より二次創作ガイドラインに抵触する作品の取り扱いに関しての相談が以前よりありました
it says that the works deleted were breaking tos, so yes R18 nijisanji works are now officially off the table

>>14740441
cant praise when there's nothing to praise

>>14740659
Laplus fits the Nijisanji style more. I guess Cover hires her to steal the tourists.

>>14740580
If myht didn't blow up so hard they'd still be treating them like they treated ID1 and holo chinks

>>14740703
>fits nijisanji
She said she wasn't gonna collab with guys though.

>>14740684
its over...

>>14740580
Case in point.

>>14740441
Holo is about promoting or inclining the whole group since they can always carry each other after. Niji is about survival of the fittest, where the tops will get all the resources provided and the midget left with nothing.

>>14740684
Nijifaggots will defend this decision I'm sure, especially SEA nijifaggots. They are the weirdest type.

>>14740659
laplus makes fun of EOPs

>>14740678
The only one studying is Haachama and it clearly affects her a lot. She was even planning on leaving Hololive before.

>>14740745
i kneel.

>>14740734
I was fucking surprised to see this. There are so many JP members replying to her even though it was just a tweet.

Hello? /#/? FBKING broke pass 40k

>>14740684
How did they go from decent management to absolute brain dead decisions.

>>14740745
Source?

>>14740574
It's her anniversary

>>14740726
Once the collab ends Niji stuff will be back on the site and it will blow over. Making mountain out of molehills makes you look silly.

If you think vtuber numberfags are bad ...

>>14740047
Would a separate containment general for tribalfaggotry help? As things stand, the numberfag thread seems to have the most dedicated schizos, would anything change with a dedicated tribal thread/anti thread?

41k, almost 42.

>>14740797
Only post about numbers in the numbers thread. Sad.

>>14740745
She makes fun of everyone, it's her character setting

>>14740678
Which is weird when you considering how lenient Anykara is to streaming. Its not like they enforce a schedule or weekly streaming quota like Cover does nor are the Livers employees but closer to contractors. She could have went to Uni and stream once a month, twice if she’s feeling good, and nothing would have been wrong with that. In fact she might even get the Ayana treatment where the times she streams will be when her gachikoi shower her with money for her returns. Bora either had a different reason for quitting or she’s just stupid.

>>14740857
42k now.

>>14740734
One is a group of streamers that do their own thing and the other is a group of streamers that pretend to be family because fake altruism sells. Also if Elira had any success I'm sure NijiJP's would kneel more than treating her as a curiosity.

>>14740857
She has now crossed 42k. Another insane stream. Peak CCV , watch hours , superchats friend is farming everything.

>>14740903
Nijikr management is very bad though, won't surprised me if they have stream quota for that department.

>>14740921
Look at this coping nijikek.

>>14740851
They'd just move back here, /#/ moves at just the right place for schizos to move in. Not too fast that it gets drowned out, not too slow that no-one replies. Also tons of faggots here just can't help but bite bait.

>>14740835
I knew people like Warren buffet were full of shit when they tried to kill all interest in crypto just to buy the dip

>>14740962
>tons of faggots here just can't help but bite bait
They're just samefagging.

Are FBK's numbers full of tourists or did she tap into new audience? I remember her having abysmal numbers not that long ago.

>>14740903
You seem to be underestimating how insane education is in Korea, anon.

>>14740822

>>14740952
>implying I'm a nijikek
I am not. Would a Niji fnas really shit on Elira like I did? I'm just saying that this won't work since Nijisanji just doesn't work like that at it's heart.

>>14740987
Until she starts doing regular non magikar streams who knows. I think is the former.

>>14740921
You actually fucked up a good statement with the last part

>>14740797

>>14740809
Nijisanji management was never decent, they just didn't have many crises that required good management to resolve so they've managed to skate by all this time.

>>14740797
Is that even surprising these days?

>>14740998
High school and entry exams is insanity. Actual college isn't that big a deal for most career paths

>>14741004
You're just pretending to shit on her to hide the fact that you're a Nijikek, Nijikek. You thought we wouldn't find out, but your act is see-through.

>>14740921
Whats stopping Nijisanji from doing the same? People like seeing people get together and be friends, watching people that have chemistry with each other or even if they don’t at first, progression. Elira and Selen from the begin mention themselves being sisters but do they actually do anything with that? People underestimate the value of Tee Tee and the effect it has on normies, you know the crowd that you need to pander for if you want to be successful.

>>14740678
>>14740903
I'm reasonably certain it's an issue with NiiKR management and not nijisanji as a whole, there are quite a few nijis in JP proper who've taken a study break without having to graduate, of the top of my head Sukoya is currently in one such study break.

>>14740921
>if Elira had any success
Only if, but it never happened

Akai na

>>14740998
I only understand that if you’re a man you have to sign up for mandatory military service in South Korea for a few years but not sure if that’s the case for females.

>>14741077
They’re trying that with NijiEN aren’t they?
Constantly in each other’s chat and constantly tweeting out their discord conversations of them being “wacky” with each other.

>>14741004
You’ve never spent time in the nijien general then. They hate literally all of them.

>>14740703
>nijisanji style
Laplus is NND style through and through. Her fucking chat brought that similarity up while La+ Zoomer said she wasn't familiar with it.

Niji heavily leans into NND style but a lot of holo chuubas also came from that shithole and carry that style in varying degrees with them too.

>>14740984
day 323123 of me asking Hiromoot to implement site-wide ID system

>>14740678
>Pressure from peers, family
>Streaming shunned
>Education above all
If you don't get good grades on the exams there, you failed an easy route then and there

Friend...

Will Fubuki beat Pekora to 2M subs?

>>14741004
>You Will Never Be Holochad

>>14741155
Won't be as effective because they already reply to themselves using their phones so they can use the post cooldown excuse.

>>14741155
>He thinks that I can find a way to skit through that and still samefag enough to shit up an entire thread
Nigga, if /pol/ couldn’t stop me what makes you think your little annie may may muppet board can?

>>14741077
And this is why nijiEN gets treated as off brand hololive.

>>14740626
That foolish comedian respects Pekora as an equal comedian/entertainer. I respect him fully just for that. Not many normies would bother watching Vtubers and start respecting them.

>>14741155
On boards with IDs I change my arguments and argue both sides of issues all the time and rarely get called out for it. The only thing they do is prevent you having an entire argument with yourself.

>>14741198
If she can keep these fishing stream for like a few more months

>>14740987
i think it's a new audience. the reasons would be her sub growth and that she wasn't taking much viewers from others.

>>14740903
True... Roa is still getting merch deals and is still officially employed despite not streaming for, what more than a year now?
I feel like Niji management would've been fine with her streaming like once a year or something.

>>14741396
Also it's her stream time. She do these fishing stream at what? Midnight in Japan? But that is when foreigner awake and watch her stream

>>14740684
ouch, that's not gonna be a good look for them

>>14741020
Why? What has Elira ever done but use the Nijisanji brand name to get more viewers?

Anything that can beat fubuki's 40k today?

>>14741349
>The only thing they do is prevent you having an entire argument with yourself.
Kek you clearly haven’t tried hard enough. Anything is possible if you believe in yourself.

>>14741521
HoloX meeting probably

>>14740987
I'm watching this because it's easy to alt tab and work, and helps with reps.
I don't normally watch her streams though.
(also I'm pretty sure a significant number of people would have clicked on the stream due to the big numbers, so I think at least 10k of them are tourists).

>>14741521
Ehhhhhh, HoloX meeting I guess, but only potentially. And I don't know what Pekora planned to do yet, she always keep things a secret

>>14741396
Main reason for her sub growth is chat being in sub only.

>>14740743
I defend this decision because I firmly believe that Riku will release his own and better R18 Doujins of Nijis with official art

>>14741521
Fubuki is the daily boss now. You need to get pass her for gold/silver.

>>14741600
Riku does whatever his investors tell him to do.

>>14741448
Also she already has big number from the start so it plays into Youtube’s shit algorithm, meaning the more numbers she has more people become interested and continue to come in. The ones who were there before will come back again just to continue watching because they want to be there when she gets her golden fish.
The same thing happen to Aruran when he was getting them blue upas and his average viewcount was in the 2k per stream at that. Its a proven method to gain numbers.

>>14741521
2021 F1 Esports Pro Championship: Rounds 10-11

>>14740906
>Pekora will never beat FBKing ever again from now on

>>14741128
jesas
I'm guessing it's from a fan or something?

>>14741652
Yeah and she can't even use the same method either since it pretty much only work for Fubuki
But I believe she will be able to pull something out of her ass again, she just don't do it yet

>>14741600
This is what a brainwashed nijikek looks like

>>14740743
I'll play devil's advocate.
They have a collab with DLsite, why have the chance doujins of sanbakia with hairy armpits fisting eachother might be treated like real merch by association?

>>14741648
How do we save FBK, holobros?

>>14741652
Doesn't she have an upcoming outfit reveal?

>>14741652
1.Fubuki fishing > Pekora outfit
2.Fubuki graduation > Pekora oufit
3.Pekora oufit canceled

>>14741701
because DLSite has a VERY strict search system that keeps R18 stuff away from the normie audience.
You will NEVER get R18 stuff on searches if you don't have the R18 option turned on.
Those who turn it ON, are looking for that content, and they will now be disappointed that this content no longer exists (from Nijisanji).
Those who don't turn it ON, would NEVER have seen those doujins anyway, and would just have been fine with buying the ASMR or whatever.
This whole "image" thing was a retarded attempt to solve a problem that didn't exist in the first place.

>>14741746
Wish she never gets the Magikarp since her views have been growing because of her repeated streams.

>>14741753
Yeah but that only win her one day
Her number have been pretty low compare to her golden month that is November

>>14741652
Heh. Pokemon Permission arc ends and we're almost back to how that went before. Fubuki might have grabbed a few tourists from that, but her numbers certainly won't stay that way after she catches that damn Shiny Koiking.

>>14741652
Am I the only one find japs are extremely autism?
Who would watch shiny hunting over and over again?

>>14739866
Anon, it's not about what they do, but when they do it. All startups go through a phrase of constant rapid growth when they feel they struck gold because they want to capture as much of a market as they can before their 15 minutes are up. After that they slow down significantly or outright stop expanding because they're at a point of diminishing returns.

Nijisanji as an agency hit their cap long ago because of their constant talent spamming and not realizing that a lot of what's happening right now is basically shuffling the audience and never really capturing tourists in enough numbers to sustain talent growth. They didn't even capitalize on "meme economy" (which actually isn't a meme) to capture an audience that was basically giving them attention for free and didn't realize how much interest there was until a competitor BTFO'd them so hard they had to follow them or face ridicule from audience and their investors.

Hololive, with their idol model at least had the sense to grow more conservatively to at least allow their talent to grab an audience that was loyal to them AND did capitalize on markets that were receptive to their product. At this point, it's basically a master class in business management for the VTubing industry.

>>14741831
She's very fun to listen to if you understand her ramblings. Perfect to have in the background or post silly shit in chat if you've got nothing better to do.

>>14741831
Most viewers probably just have it open and aren't watching it actively.

>>14741831
Its fun watching people struggle to get something, I guess. I sure did enjoy Pizza Papa’s upa stream and it was fun to watch while eating brunch.

>>14741807
If she managed to catch that Magikarp right near the end of permission then chances it was all staged or a big coincidence
Either way, I am more interested in whether all these fishing stream were staged. It will BTFO the "FBK is not a numberfag poster" and I will be there to see it

>>14740626
How fucking new? Also, le4rn how to English, 3rd worlder

>>14741831
At least for me it's fun to just have her stream open in the background if there's nothing interesting going on.
People also want to be there live when she finally gets it.

hmmm but seriously, Putting frame on almost 1 day early. Even for Pekora this is rare
I feel like she's gonna pull something, not sure if it will bring big number but it would be something very interesting

>>14741980
She canceled the stream from yesterday.

>>14742009
No I think this is a new one

>>14741831
me. i have watched it all and rewatched some 12-15 hours of vods because i missed a few minutes due to various issues here and there.

>>14742044
autist

>>14741831
I'm just listening to her babble while working. I'm not unless I hear screeching.

>>14741600
kek

>>14742041
she didn't stream yesterday https://twitter.com/usadapekora/status/1471475314484477958?t=1VVAWwT-H85pOvD5jKIPDw&s=19

>>14742160
Oh

>>14741980
She just feels bad that she's been streaming less lately, that's actually the first time from what I know that she skips 2 days of streams within a week( 3 days ago https://twitter.com/usadapekora/status/1470392532647710724?t=SoCnlLvZWRso16Fo6omL4A&s=19 and today as well). So yeah surely she planned something good tomorrow, maybe a Minecraft update stream (the Friday game usually is Minecraft) or something else that would gather many people.

>>14741864
Niji audience really are hipsters, I remember back when Anycolor took over their subreddit the users there were priding themselves on "not having the front page full of memes and fanart" as if that was somehow helpful.

>>14742160
>>14742206
does she not count her collabs as streams?

>>14742425
can't really interact with chat in collabs though

>>14742425
Oh it count alright, but those stream are not on her channel you see so it's not HER stream

>>14742425
Not really, unless the Collab happens at her usual timeslot on another Holomember's channel, she'll stream on her own channel afterwards. So that's actually unique for her to skip that many days of stream( she must be tired af with the 3D surprise stream, the birthday 3D stream and the 3rd. Fest daily dance reps).

Can fubuki survive after pokemon permission expired?

>>14741831
Like most other have said, some just opens it on background while working on something else. Myself included.

>>14741899
How exactly do you stage an RNG encounter in a console game?

>>14742654
>unless the Collab happens at her usual timeslot on another Holomember's channel, she'll stream on her own channel afterwards
This should honestly be the standard for all Holos. Their numbers would automatically improve if they stuck to a fixed stream/upload schedule on their channels independent of collab schedule hours just from doing this alone since audience would never really miss the chance to watch them at their particular fixed schedule.

>>14742741
Friend will probably just fish offstream

>>14742810
Hacking.

>>14740608
Why are EoPs like this?
Last anon didn't know that Koyori's the best english speaker of the bunch and that she uses it in her morning program.

Do you really need a big "English" in the title to care?

Look at the first point in this image
It's from a DLsite bait thread
>>14741470

>>14740703
I deeply regret informing this thread that La+ shouted out Claire's ASMR and Akane's singing streams.

All it's done is spawn more Niji falseflaggers.

La+ fits right into Hololive, specifically Peko-Miko side of getting trolled by chat and having big reactions.

>>14742810
I remember something about her chat telling her she is fishing in a place that have no gold koi
I might got it wrong though. Anyway as I said, "if" she actually get nothing from here to the end of permission, then it's either the world is against her or there's some rigging involved

>>14742896
Bait or are you just retarded? She literally said in her debut that she's really bad at English, her English translations in AsaKoyo are by Google translate.

>2view listed in the bait
I'm mad now. I know it's bait but I can't help but REE at how newfag tier this image is is they can't into the joke of why 2views are named such.

>>14743002
>her chat telling her she is fishing in a place that have no gold koi
That's just a troll. The game doesn't work like that.

>>14742923
>nijiniggers love 2views so much that they become them

>>14743120
kek

>>14742923
>charges indies superchats for promotion

>>14743002
But if the viewers know if certain tiles have fixed chances then obviously they would see through Fubuki's tricks. Also I've discussed this before but it's entirely possible that Fubuki could never get a shiny depending how the exact mechanics behind Pokemon's RNG generation.

>>14741600
Why stop there, if they actually release 1 Mito life sized sex doll, they'll double their yearly income.

Next year they'll just release 1 more sex doll every 2 weeks and plummet the JP birth rate.

>>14743102
>>14743173
Yeah I know that doesn't sound right. If she actually got the fish then I guess she's just unlucky

Valk pushing herself with this amazing strat of hers to get to second place, amazing, fantastic, creative! 48 hours! Pekora go stream more already, your #2 is in danger.

Streamer rankings is a fucking joke with sleep streams.

3M views on this cover already

>>14743373
Sorry Pekora have her limit

>>14742923
>numberfags
BASED

>>14743383
ive noticed her doing really well on the JOP clip channels

HOW DO WE SAVE AKB48 LADS!?

>>14743373
Why does streamhatchet counts Amouranth's sleep/rebroadcast streams but miss like 1.5M watch hours for Pekora in Q3. It's fucking absurd that if Pekora lost due to some failure in calculation and she's stuck at #3 again with valk.

What was Q1 and Q2 looked like before?

>>14743373
This is why Average CCV needs to be factored in to the "watched hours" bar graphs, specifically so you can spot nonsense like THIS being used to pad the fucking hours.

>>14743540
It’s rigged

>>14743548
>This is why Average CCV needs to be factored in to the "watched hours" bar graphs
Isn't that what the "average CCV" ranking is used for?

>>14743548
But they do.
There's too many people watching literally nothing though.

>>14743596
Yes, but it needs to be plastered ON the watched hours infographics. Just one more strike against the shitty streamhatchet data on top of the botching of Pekora's and Kuzuha's numbers.

>>14743650
see
>>14743631

>>14743383
Poor Shion, not even FBK shilling the cover worked against the newcomer

Fuck I actually just condier the possibility that Pekora got spooked by her coworker dropping like flies left and right due to overwork. That's why she decided to take a step back this month and just stream moderately

>>14743523
Hololive is the new Matriachs of Akibahara now

>>14743650
>it needs to be plastered ON the watched hours infographics
It is, usually it has "hours streamed" and "average CCV" alongside

>>14743662
Yea, I know some of them do, but the one that gets the most press, the one that gets circulated the most, those bloody Streamhatchet ones, don't show it, only the total watched hours.
https://twitter.com/streamhatchet/status/1446500297132679204

>>14743540
I really want to believe that there is a problem in their algorithm, as in they only count a single stream per day on YouTube (not on twitch though, given that they also count the rebroadcasts), hence the reason why Pekora lost 1.7M on Q2 and 1,9M on Q3(don't remember for Q1, she might have lost around 1,8 given how much she has streamed[The Yakuza 0 let's play buffed her immensely during weekends during Q1]. However yesterday, someone stated that Miko also often streams at least twice per day, but her numbers are perfectly fine.
So yeah, must be rigged in some way. I don't trust them anymore, they don't seem to want to show us how they rank them with which sites, so I'm just sticking with Holodata for that.

>>14742986
It's just the sisters trying to drive a wedge. I like Aqua and she's a nijifan.

>>14740809
They always had yabs, nijifags just do a better job of sweeping them under the rag. Just look how they'll downplay this if not outright ignore but if it was a holo yab they'd constantly talk about it.

>>14743694
pretty sure she's just busy with holofes3 prep, just like everyone else.

>>14742741
Maybe Nintendo will take pity and allow her to be the only one to stream it, as long as it's tailored to just catching the shiny.

>>14740921
Meh, HoloJP also came to Reine's classroom to learn Indog language they'll never use.
It's not about Mori's success.

>>14743383
>3M
Almost passed Suiseis phony.

>>14743373
>"watched hours"
doesnt count vod watchers; nor viewers filtered on the live ccv but who still count as views
it's a retarded metric for retarded people. All it takes is for the sponsors to mention it and Cover shows their yt data on how much bigger their real watch-time is than that shit calculation.

Here is something nice to keep the thread on topic

> Highest watched Holo stream per day, since Holostats started tracking

Here is the summary
>151x: pekora
>62x: marine
>43x: gura
>20x: coco, miko
>19x: subaru
>17x: aqua
>15x: korone
>11x: shion
>10x: botan, hololive
>9x: ayame, mio
>8x: lamy, nene, noel, rushia, suisei
>7x: fubuki, towa
>6x: chloe, haato, kanata, okayu
>5x: amelia, inanis, kiara, polka
>4x: flare, himemoriluna, ouro, watame
>3x: calliope, roboco, sora
>2x: choco, matsuri, ollie
>1x: iroha, irys, koyori, laplus, lui, mel, melfissa, mumei

IMO the most consequential of all of those was
>Meru-sama Halloween Battle of Vampires

>>14740741
t. holofag who never watched nijisanji

>>14741648
>inb4 "masi gonna interfere here too" in the chat

>>14743383
Chloe and Iroha fucked up for not releasing a cover on their debut week.

>>14743736
it is not on stream hatchet's - the only one normalfag plebe get access to due to lazy journos

>>14740684
So this is only on DLsite breaking tos but somehow you guys are making it to be about every doujin, again?

>>14744066
cope

>>14744037
I think Iroha had one planned but had to scrap it cuz her PC fucked up or something, she teased it during her debut

>>14744010
Hmm? So this is like total number of gold? For each Holo?

>>14744037
soon, anon, soon
chloe will mog every vsinger out there in time

>>14744010
Here is the montlhy breakdown

>>14744103
>So this is like total number of gold?
Not "gold" in the "daily top" sense, just the most watched Holo stream (as I don't have numbers going that far for other streamers)

In many of those days some non holo streamer got the most watched of the day.

>>14743684
On the bright side, Lapras helped a bunch of indies and literal whose since almost everyone of them decided to drop a cover of Godish as well to catch the dripping clout. CalliPinnochioP even gained another few million viewers from it.
And idiots try to imply that Hololive does nothing to help Indies.

>>14744145
>Here is the montlhy breakdown
*AHEM*
Here

>>14744009
I've watched them longer than you and yes the 2views gain nothing despite whatever efforts they put

>>14744154
Indies seem to like chasing Hololive trends .

>>14740441
You see these people don't actually watch or are part of the nijisanji fandom to know about it when they don't know about Maimoto literally having Selen as his oshi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKgk45wAGU0
Or Kanae talking about Selen and them literally collabing 3 different times.
Or Ange and Rosemi interacting and combining to collab.
You guys miss all of those things.
>>14741138
They aren't "trying that with NijiEN". That has been happening for years with KR and ID, and heck, even in JP in different cases. You guys really seem very ignorant in that.
ID literally is the biggest example of unity in all nijisanji.
>>14741331
And yet, most nijifans I see think of them as being very nijisanji and the same is true for jp fans that watch them..

>Q4
>result is an assumption it won't be rigged again
Fubuki is guaranteed at 3rd
Kkatamina dropped the subathon so is the grind
Miko & Pokimane will compete for 4th & 5th place

>>14744066
First they came for dlsite, and I did not speak up because I'm a filthy nijinigger who would suck rikus cock if it made nijisanji look good

>>14744199
I mean the best advice this thread has ever given to indies is "cover yourself in hololive and hope some of that magic rubs off on you" so

>>14744199
Yes, it seems as if following those that are popular and getting some of the drip from the overflow with minimum work and difficulty is more palatable compared to say, trying to follow Nijisanji trends and getting nothing out of it at all even with maximum effort. Who would have thought.

Bros! I've got numbers:
>-34%
>-30%
>-30%
>-42%
>-32%

>>14744273
it was a genuine question. is it as bad as it is, or are they doing that overall? If it's only dlsite it doesn't seem a big problem, but if it's ban of doujin in general, this is bad, not even for fans, but for nijisanji to get free marketing.

>>14744010
Where are EN debuts? Did no one of them take the gold?

>>14744252
Maimoto is the dragonnkek from here

>>14744252
so clear

>>14744252
>paid actors

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>42,374: Fubuki (Hololive)
>38,585: Korone (Hololive)
>35,542: Fubuki (Hololive)
>31,843: Laplus (Hololive)
>28,915: Lui (Hololive)
>28,766: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>26,777: Baelz (Hololive)
>26,262: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>25,891: Suisei (Hololive)
>24,752: Gura (Hololive)
>24,749: Kronii (Hololive)
>22,474: Botan (Hololive)
>21,461: Shion (Hololive)
>17,949: Koyori (Hololive)
>16,586: Miko (Hololive)
>15,995: Iroha (Hololive)
>15,750: Shibuya Hal (merise)
>14,716: Gura (Hololive)
>14,539: Laplus (Hololive)
>12,693: Lamy (Hololive)
>12,035: Kanata (Hololive)
>11,799: Mio (Hololive)
>11,346: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>11,308: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>10,060: Ina (Hololive)

>>14744348
>Ouro, x4
>Mumei x1
Remember, they did the stupid fucking Single-day Relay bullshit for EN so it was all in one 'Day' for the purposes of the chart. I swear to gods, I hope they don't do the same goddamn thing AGAIN if/when enGen3 comes out.

>>14744507
Kuzuha managing to restore his Honor and at least take a spot in the top 5, but it's not enough for a medal today.

20x Hololive
4x Nijisanji
1x merise

>>14744524
I'm talking about Myth. I see the point where Gura streams started taking the gold but what about the debut day?

>>14744507
wasnt that 42k supposed to be for tomorow's? it started midnight

>>14744255
FBK really is the most watched female in the world right now?

>>result is an assumption it won't be rigged again
It will though. I've seen lists of top 10 biggest female streamers in the world and completely leave off vtubers.

>>14744346
The ban only apply on DLsite and yes it might not big of an impact for the artist financial or anything BUT it didnt change the fack that it was a dick move since they didnt have to do that but they choose to. Nontheless the ASMR were very overprice.

>>14744507
Fubuki's current stream started at midnight though

>>14744570
>kuzuh top 5
your eyes, anon

>>14744573
Oh, I've misread.
Yea, that's weird and definitely not right.

>>14744348
>Where are EN debuts?
September 14 JST (it was still the 13th in her timezone, but it was past midnight in Japan)

>Did no one of them take the gold?
Not only Gura had the highest watched Hololive stream that day but also in the next five days too.

Here is something that is likely coincidental but maybe not: Gura numbers started dropping **before** the December CCV cull, starting exactly when she dropped the
>[stream type] stream description #GAWRGURA #HololiveEnglish
title format.

>>14744590
>>14744610
it started like 3 minutes before midnight according to holodex

>>14744634
Argh, For some reason I read his position as 5th on the list, when the holox trio collab bumped him off.

>>14744607
Are bully panda and IT guy even good at ASMR?

>>14741135
That's males only.

>>14741138
Posting that stuff on twitter feels kind of fake to me, for some reason it hits better if its a story they tell on stream instead.

>>14741776
Feels like niji as a whole became super cautious after the yumenographia thing and trying to avoid any chance of their talent being viewed in that kind of light.

>>14742425
Pekora is very conscious of her fanbase and delivering them content on her channel. Collabs on other channels are streams, but not streams for nousagis.

>>14744010
Mel 1 on the great halloween massacre. What a day. Also Towa with the same as Fubuki, Lamy+Nene both at 8 and Mori only one 3 are some of the more interesting results I see.

>>14744199
There's no reason not to. There's a captive fanbase following whatever the holos do and they love to think their idols are being respected or popular.

>>14744607
It’s going to overlap comiket sales on that platform anyways for the artists that put digital copies on DLSite.

>>14744610
>Fubuki's current stream started at midnight though
Nope, 11:57PM

>>14744672
Yeah I'm aware, I meant that Gura's debut isn't in anon's excel sheet for some reason.

>>14744507
Did FBK finally get her gold? It's a shame that Korone basically telling us that her career is over didn't get higher.

>>14744754
>Yeah I'm aware, I meant that Gura's debut isn't in anon's excel sheet for some reason.
It is, it is not called "debut" but
>[MANEATER] I am hungry #hololiveEnglish #holoMyth

>>14744759
>telling us that her career is over
Wut? She had a mental breakdown due to family health circumstances and needs rest and some time off.
Here is the brutal reality: that family member will likely die (like Rushia's cat or Sana's dog), she will mourn and then be freed from the burden and return to her work.

It happens to all adults in all professions

>>14744771
>>[MANEATER] I am hungry #hololiveEnglish #holoMyth
thats the shark game she played after debut, not her debut itself

>>14744010
>43x: Gura
Man, Gura hasn't been able to consistently get the #1 spot for a long time now yet she is still this high up on the list. That tells you just how insane her momentum was at the beginning and why nobody will ever pass her in subs. Insane.

>>14744771
That's not Gura's debut. I'm assuming the anon who made that excel used Holostats as a source since they missed the Gura debut stream too.

>>14744607
Isn't the backlash actually about the asmr price way more than anything?

>>14744711
>Towa
Here is her streams that achieved that.

The one that surprised me the most is Ayame, mogging all of the ones you mentioned.
>she can't keep getting away with it!

>>14744336
I love Myth so I hope they can turn things around.

>>14744771
nah her debut just isn't in holostats from what i saw

>>14744771
>>14744843
>>14744864
Wut? Damn Holostats, how can they have missed her debut!

>>14744932
Small indie company please understand

>>14744507
>Hololive needs one more gold to win the month

>>14744507
KEK
>FUBUKI THREW A 3 MINUTES FROM MIDNIGHT STREAM TO SWEEP THE GOLD FROM UNDER KORONE

>>14744724
It's not about sales anon it's about their attitude and the way they delivering the message. Not to mention the vague email they sent that had the artist and many people confused it as a total ban on all of r18 doujin with the livers on it

>>14744856
She could still get it with Karaokes or buff games were it not for the susaning

>>14744731
Yeah but we don't count that unless she peaked before the day ends, right?

>>14744824
Is she has a sick older relative she is supporting financially and in person that shit can drag on for a long ass time. Like years and years where everyone knows it would easier if they just die but they just don't. It's just not predictable.

>>14744307
It worked for that one Korean vtuber group.

>>14744524
Not if the merchandising team has anything to say about it. You know their grand plan is to eventfully have EN anniversary month. Four to five weeks of EN anniversaries. Weekends only, of course, you Western savages

>>14740580
I remember an Asacoco shortly after HoloEN and JP5 debuts with Coco saying something like "We have a lot of new Kouhais, but they're too high spec! It's like walking into the office and your new trainee is fucking Bill Gates!"

>>14744824
Her nerve endings are damaged.

>>14744507
>Tourney buff
>Can't even beat a kusogaki jerking it to Nana
Topkek

>>14745195
>retards and NEETs
Explain Council and HoloX?

You guys think Friend will get any permanent incline out of the Shiny Saga? Did Kanata get any out of the Undertale one?

>>14745125
>Yeah but we don't count that unless she peaked before the day ends, right?
Unless there is a reason for that the ranking is made after 1AM when live-ranking freezes the day.

>>14745272
It's just the void stream re-run but longer.

>>14745272
She will, maybe 500 to 3k more viewers than usual, but I don't think that'll exceed that amount. We'll have to wait until the Pokemon arc ends, because she wants to caught a shiny Feebas too, which is infinity much harder to catch than a shiny Magikarp(her numbers will obviously reach higher amounts at that moment, unless the permission ends before).

>>14744888
3d debut, 2 3d lives, 2 pebot+marine collabs, previous marika tournament and a new outfit. I'm surprised the bandlive actually topped a day. She does well putting on events.

does anyone have a counter of how many magikarp fubuki has encountered?

So what are some potential record breaker streams in Hololive, that we can predict?
>Gura/Morid 3d Debut
>Peko outfit
>Chloe/Laplus outfit

>>14744010
Ame and Ina being ahead of Mori in this list is kind of surprising

>>14745264
to retards and NEETs, Council's ability to actually talk to each other must seem like a superpower

>>14745272
I think we will see an incline in her vod views

Long post incoming:

Technically, Pekora could also play the watch hours game. Maybe, most other Holos do too and it'll be too broken for even streamhatchet to even count or most other metric sites only if they can cooperate with their clippers. Like a lot of us say, that clippers were the one that made Hololive as they are now, but how would they get appreciated?

Some Holos take a day off, maybe a week, a month. They also have dead slots too in the afternoon or maybe during EU hours. By utilizing & compiling the best clips that are well subbed, funny and with good context of the matter into a livestream while also looping it 3-4 times, they would actually incur a freaking large watch time. It would also show/credit the channels that clips them. Once that is done, the VOD will be listed, but it will not include the looped parts. It will be just one long compilation of funny moments during a time period.

For example,
Let's say in 7 days, Gura had done 5 streams, 60-80 clips were made, 2-5 minutes long. Only 1/4 of them made the cut. That's 20 clips, give it an average of 3 minutes per clip and that's an hour long. If they want to be scummy, they could loop it but this is just an example. Broadcast it on her breakday timeslot, and rebroadcast it on her second breakday timeslot again. If she has enough clips, she could give a different compilation instead of a rebroadcast of the old one

>So, what would happen for someone like Pekora who streams daily doing a 24 hour week-long looped compilation of clips with subs at the end of every Q1/Q2/Q3/Q4?
2022 would be as good as Pekora if she plays dirty too. Why does react/sleep stream counts when it's the laziest content ever? Why does rebroadcast stream counts into the rankings? Better yet, don't do the 24 hour week long compilation of clips on YT, fuck it and broadcast it live on twitch. Take advantage of its view-counting mechanism. It's pre-recorded, it's not even simulcast so it's not breaking ToS.

>But anon, YT only allows 12 hours!
NAY, 12 hours are the maximum limit for VODs. Run it 24/7, EN subs on EN timeslot & JP subs on JP timeslot.

>But anon, how would clipper benefit from this!
It's old clips, they'll benefit from exposure if given the credit.

>But anon, how would holomembers feel from this, she'll be taking the views from us!
Thee must not be afraid, for it is only a week for every 3 months. Maybe 3-4 days if the rabbit so wills it. She'll be lucky if she still averages around 8-9k ccv after the 4th day.

tldr:
Just have holos put compilation of clips on their break day and loop it for watch hours. Don't set it as premiere, just have it live. Preferably, on dead timeslots. EU hours or JP afternoon. It'll bloat their watch hours too and clippers can get some decent exposure after the end of every break.

>>14739465
>Canning NijiIN just before NijiEN debuted when they could've benefited from the increased attention an EN branch would grab
>Hire the fastest growing Niji talent in a long while, and then fucking both her and one of your strongest existing talents over because of bad management.
>Staging a watchalong for their debuts to ensure all the tourists go to the existing talents instead of forming the core of the new ones.
>Starting a virtual carabet club only to can them for being a virtual carabet club
>Banning porn to promote their collab with a porn site, then having to cancel the promo streams because of the backlash
Why does Nijisanji keep shooting themselves in the foot?

>>14745517
I would like to see if Chloe can also break the record of 3d debut with more sc

>>14744010
btw, here is how dominant Pekora is when she hits a stride.

It usually takes a debut or something big by other streamers to overshadow her

>>14745717
Well, I'm certain they could do so, but....
It definitely feels far too underhanded for Hololive, and outside of Pekora I don't think any other holomem reallllllyyyyyyyy care that much about the watch time metric.

>>14745720
The Karas in their name stands all the funny shapes and colors they see when all their staffs are drugged out of their mind. None of this really matter since it only affects their talents, who technically don't work for them instead just being affiliated, and they make money either way like how google and facebook might buy out shit, failed on product but still make money anyway since its the loss goes down the ladder. They have over 300 people to get money from and more to come.

>>14745536
to be fair, mori was a clusterfuck in most of her first year since she had to juggle between her JET job and also finding out how to find her stride in hololive while ame and ina quickly adapted

>>14745717
Dilutes the brand and the value of actual streams. Many people will be unsure if a real stream is going on. It is a very silly thing to do just to get a little higher on some Western rankings no one but Pekora cares about. Pekora actually cares about not alienating fans.

>>14745453
Towa has a low floor but high disproportionately high ceiling. The way I'd characterize her viewer base is a core of around 5000 with float from Apex tourists, collab tourists, karaoke tourists, and the occasional minecraft tourist. She fucking sucks at marketing though, and you can tell because her special events where other holos usually stay off the air (looking at you, Haachama meme review) always have disproportionately high peaks. The irony is that despite all the talk about EOP saviorfags, she probably has the least outreach into the EN viewer side of things.

>>14746402
>she probably has the least outreach into the EN viewer side of things.
Elaborate, because I'm pretty sure she still gets a disproportionate amount of memes on reddit as compared to her viewcount

>>14745939
her doom stream filtered me. i didn't enjoy the cringe or the music style she went for so i moved on quickly from her.i think her first few streams really made clear to people if they would enjoy watching her streams or not

>>14745939
You forgot that she was making music AND doing animation work on the side.

>>14746512
There's a difference between memes and flanderization, and Towa falls into the latter. Because Towa's reddit opinion falls into "TMT" she is viewed as being a very tame or gentle vtuber, which tends to keep people away as usually they watch vtubers to be entertained or to see their funny antics (see: Pekora). Apex also drives holoEN viewers away. The end result is low engagement with Towa's actual content (and thus viewership) which is easily provable by conducting polls of skill in games like Apex and Mario Kart and getting a variety of answers (like Aqua or Botan, neither of whom have played Apex in months) that are not Towa. You'd think that the holo that won a pretty high level showmatch tournament would have higher name recognition when it comes to Apex than say Watson, but the fact that she doesn't suggests a great disconnect between her EN optics and her EN engagement and outreach.

>>14746402
I'm willing to bet the other members advertise the tournament more than Towa will.

>>14746512
That's just one or two dedicated guys. >>14746737 sums the rest of it up pretty nicely. She often gets totally ignored by the majority of the en fanbase.

>>14746402
>[Towa] probably has the least outreach into the EN viewer side of things.
That's probably the most baffling sentence in this thread. Do elaborate.

The one thing i can think you mean is that, despite her ~40% kaigai/EN audience, it's just her regular audience, not part of the bigger EoP huge casual audience that only sometimes watch EN.

>>14740741
people are finally getting it

>>14746583
i think that it was her early scheduling that mostly killed her numbers since it was inconsistent as hell, trying to pander to all timezones while not establishing yourself in one is a bad move, nowadays she is getting better in those since she is starting to locate herself in 2 specific timezones for her streams while not being as nervous in the delivery

>>14744009
When was the time Kuzuha had multiples collabs with a low tier Nij like what happened between Pekora and Moona? Hell has Kuzuha had a collab with anyone outside the JP branch?

>>14747440
Only if they pay him.

>>14746860
Towa's kaigai/EN audience is almost entirely from pre-HoloEN days. Here's an example comparison of two morning Overwatch streams (which is the closest type of stream I can think of to isolate Towa's core). One was from the past week, one was from pre-3D (and thus pre-HoloEN). You can see relatively similar numbers of unique users, relatively similar times, and relatively similar total chat numbers. However, you see a lot more English + Stamps in the older video than in the newer video. Conversely, people like Marine who have pandered to the HoloEN crowd have seen additional English viewers in the same time frame. This suggests that Towa has if anything been losing some of the EN crowd in favor of getting more JP. She certainly hasn't been gaining any. At the same time, the fact that her superchat numbers still seem to be skewed towards foreign currency lends me to believe that at least some of the JPs are really just JSLs.

>>14747514
>collab fee
>subs for sale
they diversifying income source after closure of virtual whore house and dlsite deal

>>14740678
Haachama, Moona, and Mumei are all college students and it definitely affects their streaming. Haachama has taken breaks to focus on schoolwork, Moona had to take a less active role in the Sports Festival and took a break after for midterms, and Mumei regularly streams while sleep deprived and is currently on her third all-guerrilla week due to finals. Bae might be in university or simply studying for some kind of foreign language certification, but no one’s entirely sure. People thought her break at the end of November had something to do with that, but it might have also been a personal/family issue.

>>14747440
If you mean outside the jp branch but still within nijisanji then I don't recall any.

Kuroe's schedule is... really not great desu but hopefully a lighter schedule means manechan will let her do her long superchat readings with monetization left on again. The utawaku especially should shoot her back up the chart some more, I really want to see how quickly she can reach the top 100

>>14748023
anon, nobody but this place cares about median ccv.

>>14748153
I'm aware and I don't either, I care about how much money filthy otaku will jizz all over this equally filthy girl and how many vtubers who have been streaming for years will be outearned by this girl within days, it's a morbidly fascinating thing to watch happen in realtime

>>14748328
People unironically think that Chloe will get less SCs now because she's a pervert. What rubes.
>>14748153
Median CCV is the best tell of a streamer's popularity and reach with their content. Averages are easy to skew and watchtime is exploitable.
>only you faggot schizos care
And only us faggot schizos are right.

>>14748328
How new?

>>14745720
Virtual Cabaret is Anycolor, not Nijisanji.
> Why does Nijisanji keep shooting themselves in the foot?
We could say the same for literally every agency. Hololive now is without a problem but between 2020 and early 2021 they had a lot.

>>14748522
median ccv is fucked for anyone who does sc-reading-only streams

>>14748804
>Virtual Cabaret is Anycolor, not Nijisanji.
that's semantics and you know it

>>14748830
>Yum Brands! had to close down A&W, looks like KFC is bungling things again!

>>14741866
>>14741886
>>14741943
>>14742073
>>14742783
so she gets 40K with tab-out
imagine her real number then

Anons in these threads need some classes in statistics and analytics, you guys tend to make up far reaching theories based on little to no supportive data and love the correlation = causation fallacy.

>>14748881
yes

>>14748815
Median CCV is fucked for anyone that does long superchat readings regardless of it's the sole content or not period.

>>14747440
The fact that you are asking me about this really show you don't actually anything know nijisanji.

But for the sake of sharing information, Kuzuha had collab with Bora when she was in her beginning. Kanae literally did 3 collabs with Selen in this very year, much like he did world collabs with all the branches with valorant and among us.

as for kuzuha, he played with lower nijis just this year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p6BJObv7UA
And he played with a complete indie random that now is much bigger after they had a collab.

>>14748522
When Watame does a 12k Minecraft stream and a 3k superchat reading stream the next day that doesn't make her nearly half as popular as if she just did the Minecraft stream then took a day off
>>14748617
What are you trying to imply? I'm familiar with a certain witch who recently graduated on her third anniversary if that's what you mean, but despite having the same 中の人 that's not Chloe and most of Chloe's fans won't know about her

>>14748830
That's not semantics at all. Yumenographia aren't nijisanji members, they never have been in their website and they were in a complete different website. There's a reason I didn't say a thing about IN, since they were nijisanji members. Most nijisanji fans don't even know that branch existed.

>>14742923
>numbers are bad
Whoever made this is a nigger.

>>14748931
woman, nobody is reading all that

>>14748919
>Median CCV is fucked for anyone that does long superchat readings regardless of it's the sole content or not period.
It does not. Median CCV is for peaks only and only as a gauge of more or less how high the usual stream from a streamer goes.

You are likely confusing it with mean average of CCV (not peak) and it’s the correct way of measuring the total audience of a streamer.

>>14749041
> posts misinformation
> don't read when it's corrected
must be nice

>>14749011
and nobody gives a shit other than the people doing the "you've made a grammatical error so I will drop my entire argument in favour of focusing on it to save my argument" thing, except in this case it's going "But actually yumenographia is under anykara not nijisanji" when we all bloody well know Anykara and nijisanji are used interchangably here.

>>14749106
>replies to me thinking i made that first post

>>14749045
If someone splits off superchat readings into a separate stream it massively lowers their median CCV even though it's the exact same content watch by the exact same number of people. It's not without its uses but it's a deeply flawed metric.

>>14741561
>>14741572
holox meeting is multi pov marika, so that's off the table

Aren't people making fun of Nijisanji just making fun of them for not being Myth?
I mean, they're half a council power, 3rds biggest EN vtuber, and Nijis were never any popular in the west. That's a pretty huge stride.

>>14749011
>>14749158
Anon is right that Yumenographia is not Nijisanji but that’s a distinction without a difference considering the criticism is about the actions of the top management, which is shared by both branches.

Trying to sidestep that is as silly as it would be if the situation was about Cover shutting down Holostars
>actually Holostars are not Hololive, they’re under Cover and Hololive Productions but they have their own website so a fuckup by Cover related to Holostars has nothing to do with Hololive
That would also be true but the Cover being criticized there is the very same one managing Hololive so there is no difference

>>14749364
True but no one goes after hololive if something happens with holostars and no one goes after holostars when something bad happens with hololive. Cover is blamed.

>>14749303
>If someone splits off superchat readings into a separate stream it massively lowers their median CCV
True. But what anon I replied to said was “ Median CCV is fucked for anyone that does long superchat readings regardless of it's the sole content”
What you are saying is the opposite.

With that said outliers won’t significantly change the median so
>either said streamer only does split SC readings on occasion and it doesn’t affect their median significantly
>or he does it often and the lower median accurately reflects their his numbers

>>14749364
yeah, like I said the "Yumenographia is not nijisanji" point is only ever brought up by people trying to use the "but actually" argument to skip engaging with the actual post to go on a tangent, or alternatively nijisanji bootlickers who are so deep into the kool aid they need to defend nijisanji's good name no matter what

>>14749467
are you retarded?

>>14749488
case in point
>>14749467

>>14749467
oh my god do you even think before writing?

>>14749467
>Cover is blamed
True but “Cover” and “Hololive” are used interchangeably in the context of fuckups and it’s not rare to hear things like
>Hololive girls would be better off on their own because Cover has shitty management
that ends up summarized as
>Hololive has shitty management
because that’s the main branch they manage.

In this whole Yumenographia thing the main gist is exactly that, except for once on Nijisanji side. I doubt anyone is saying anything about Nijisanji cast of talent, o it about Nijisanji management which happens to be the same as Yumenographia management: Anycolor

>>14749467
kek who is this idiot

>>14749488
You're free to shit on Anycolor all you want for what happened with Yumenographia. It isn't Nijisanji. The thing with DLsite is Nijisanji though.
>>14749515
I'm not sure how.
Example
When people shit on hololive for not collabing much outside of hololive they throw that criticism at hololive. Cover is not to blame as holostars cannot be levied the same criticism.

>>14749601
>o it about Nijisanji
*only about Nijisanji

>>14749675
See, told ya, the only people who actually care are genuine nijisanji bootlickers who see the need to defend nijisanji's good name no matter what

>>14749675
>When people shit on hololive for not collabing much outside of hololive they throw that criticism at hololive. Cover is not to blame as holostars cannot be levied the same criticism.
In Yumenographia case the criticism is on the actions of the top brass of the company, which also happen to be the managers of Nijisanji.

The criticism is towards “Nijisanji management” even if the fuckup is about another branch because it’s the same management

>>14749364
I would say literally the same though. I would be totally fine with people criticizing cover, but not hololive.

If it's not done under the banner of Nijisanji or Hololive, why should we criticize them instead of the company itself for the branch itself? Doesn't make sense.

>>14749704
>>14749750
The criticism shouldn't be about "nijisanji" because yumenographia isn't nijisanji. It should be about anycolor, who manages both subsidiaries. That's like criticizing Naughty Dog for something that happend with Insomniac when the one who should be blamed is sony. That's just how structure works.

damn nijiniggers are fucking sad

>>14749704
I am no nijisanji bootlicker, I think their handling of the DLsite issue was ham headed and poorly done. I think Anycolor's handling of yumenographia was very poor and reeked panic. I just think blame should be attributed to where it should be.

>>14745720
The name change seem to have introduced a jab of retard juice straight into veins of whoever is calling the shots at Nijisanji. Or maybe it's the other way round

>>14749831
Exactly. It's not very hard to understand this. Just criticize the right department. If you want to shit on nijisanji, there's more than enough fuck ups in the past on it alone, similar to other vtuber agencies.

>>14749750
>which also happen to be the managers of Nijisanji.
They weren't making decisions in the context of Nijisanji.

>samefagging now

>>14745717
Well certainly possible but doing it purely for number would be a big hit on literally anyone reputation and directly affect their other numbers. It's just, like you said, very very lazy contents and just scummy overall
Reputation here is even more important because the Holo are working for a company and they would rather not pulling Twitch-tier trick

niji gold win today!

>>14745720
>>14749895
most of those things mentioned happend in 2020. Some of those are very debatable as well, like Niji IN or the debut. I don't even know if I should take it seriously though considering how this thread thinks nijiEN is a failure.

>>14749820
Anon, if Tanigo somehow fucks up, the criticism will be towards “Hololive Management” even if it’s about the fucking Virtual Ping Pong.
That’s how things work. He doesn’t cease to be Hololive management when managing other projects, SPECIALLY because Hololive is the main product.

Same thing goes for Anycolor and Nijisanji, trying to fight this simple fact it reflects even worse on them.
Look up “metonymy”

>>14749967
No one is samefagging.

Where are the numbers?

>>14749998
I don't agree with this at all. If Yagoo fuck up with Hololive, it's on hololive. If he does with Inonaka, it's on INNK. If it's on Holostars, it's on holostars. Case in point: No one blames Suisei handling in INNK into hololive but on the manager she had on INNK, which makes sense because it's a different department of Cover, and not hololive itself.

>>14750041
oh no not the mspaint artist

here are some numbers
Rushia needs ~20k subs to kick Kizuna 2nd account from the top10, if she does it, it will be 9/10 holos

>>14750103
>no one blames Suisei handling in INNK into hololive

>>14750103
Dude, stop trying, you're like those retards at google who keep trying to push "search engines" instead of "googling" but at least they have something to lose from doing so whereas you are just embarrassing yourself and making your side look bad

>>14750103
>No one blames Suisei handling in INNK into hololive but on the manager she had on INNK
Anon, on that case it was middle management fucking up.
In the closure of Yumenographia it was the upper management shutting it down.

If the scandal was “yumenographia live cancelled, management to blame for failing to book venue” nobody would be saying “Nijisanji management fucked up”.
In this case tho it was Nijisanji management fucking up because it came from high enough

>>14748931
There’s a rat that the indie is an old time friend from his previous life

>>14750212
currently [holos] / [top]
8 / 10
17 / 20
23 / 30
31 / 40

>>14750103
>No one blames Suisei handling in INNK into hololive

>>14744507
>>14744731
What is wrong with Japs? Why do they still keep watching this autism garbage and when is she going to stop abusing it?

>>14747770
Most holoJP EN audiences are from pre-EN days. There's no transition from being an EN newfag who can't speak japanese to suddenly watching a JP. The pipeline of EN newfags is probably HoloEN>HoloID>NijiEN/Vshojo>only then Holo JP

>>14749980
They all happened in 2021

>>14749474
But it's not just outliers and a few SC readings that are the issue, I'll use Watame because I think she's the best example, when she sings or plays Minecraft or a new popular game she's generally a 10-12k streamer. But she's done 13 FF9 streams, which by now get less than 5k peak which would've alone tanked her median by a decent amount, by this metric she would be more popular if she simply took those days off, leaving behind ~1.4m views and $10k in SCs. She streams virtually every day so it's not like dropping the debuff content would turn her into Ayame.

>>14750378
This isn't entirely true, though, there are multiple JPs that have gotten some EN attention from a mix of clips/EN pandering/reddit. I would put Nene, Marine, Subaru, Kanata, Roboco, and several others in this camp. Similarly in that regard, I would shape the pipeline differently as being HoloEN/HoloID --> EN/ID friendly Holos --> less EN/ID friendly Holos.

>>14750324
>pic
Fuck, I don't even need to see the caption anymore to know its meaning. The Haachama hypnosis is strong as fuck.

>>14749474
Median is terrible anyway. Should be using mean

>>14750608
Attention and clip views sure, regular stream watchers? Seems very unlikely

>>14749831
>I am no nijisanji bootlicker

>>14750719
Even if the conversion factor of clipviewers to streamwatchers is low, its greater than zero.

>>14750793
I'm surprised that Nijifags are company bootlicker. Even Holofags usually like to shit the management first when something wrong but Nijifags always blame anyone except management

>>14750212
Ame is so out of place there. Like I see a bunch of titans of the company who all have made valuable and impressive contributions to the company as a whole and then you have someone who is is in the lower third in CCV, watch hours, views, and SCs.

>>14750138
I did screenshot, put it on imgur, saved and put it in here.
>>14750252
>>14750324
To be fair, I'm talking about this based on r/hololive and youtube comments. I don't know how it has been in here as I never saw it being said in here.
>>14750289
>>14750268
My only point is: I don't care about you shitting on ANycolor for this. I won't respond to anyone doing that. Yumenographia case is separated in a different part of the company. Yes, same high management, but it's not done under the nijisanji brand but yumenographia brand. If no Nijisanji member was affected by this, how the heck you can say "nijisanji is responsible for this"? It doesn't make any sense to me.

>>14751074
Nijifags are more loyal to the company than they are to the to the talents because of how many of them there are, they only care about the handful of nijis they watch so if some other niji gets into a fuckup they would rather blame that niji than let the company be blamed because it would then reflect badly on their favourite talent.

>>14751221
Kiara is an absolute shitter and at #18, all of Myth have massively overinflated sub numbers

>>14751228
yeah I think I'm going to keep shitting on Nijisanji for mishandling Yumenographia just to piss you off.

>>14751074
>>14750793
Nijisanji fans won't blame management for yumenographia because 99% don't even know it exists and the 1% know yumenographia aren't part of nijisanji and a different part of anycolor.
This is really all that same discussion when VTA debuted and people were talking as if Nijisanji debuted 9 vtubers.

>>14751333
You people do much worse stuff already so this is nothing. Just tried to correct but if you want to use it as ammo so much, just use it then. But every time you'll have holes considering how yumenographia is part of Anycolor but not nijisanji.

>>14751221
>>14751322
nobody outside this shithole cares.

>>14751302
t. holofag who don't know anything about nijisanji talking about things out of their ass. Probably the same one who think EN began with "unity", or how Kuzuha don't collab with lower nijisanji.
There's nijisanji fans who watch all branches, only one branch, tons of nijisanji, only one, but you wouldn't know that since you aren't part of it to have any idea about.

>>14751322
Yeah but it is so stark seeing heart and brains of the company Shirakami, the wit and soul Marine, the workhorse that kept fueling the meme fire Korone, and then fucking miss bottom third in all metrics and only matters to about 4 other people. It's like lining up a lion, a tiger and a leopard next to a house cat.

>>14751523
Pic related

be a nijinigger
>Yumenudegraphia/Virtual Academy is doing great
nijisanji win!!
>Yumenudegraphia/Virtual Academy is doing horrible
nothing to do with nijisanji.

>>14749831
>I think their handling of the DLsite issue was ham headed and poorly done.
What would you have suggested they do instead?

>Yumenographia
Their reaction and closure was the only choice in that situation. The only other alternative was to convert them to full-on Niji's, but who knows how that would've worked out for them...

>I just think blame should be attributed to where it should be.
Judging by the way the company has been acting, it seems that the people in charge of anything in AnyColor are the same exact people, because I seriously doubt that they could have gotten this many retards in the payroll.

>>14751591
You're stupid anon.
They're never going to admit Virtual Academy is doing bad.

>>14751504
>There's nijisanji fans who watch all branches

>>14751591
hah it's funny because it's true

>>14751523
If you didn't realise this was the new normal when Gura came and immediately beat Fubuki and Korone to 1 million when they were so close to the finish line you never will. At least Council have shit subs befitting of how awful they are.

>>14751591
Or, you know, the people who said that are different people. How surprising.
VTA/Yumenographia are different projects from Nijisanji. If they are doing bad or good is irrelevant for nijisanji itself but Anycolor.
>>14751677
This is a big proof that you guys really have no idea about the nijisanji fandom in the west, like at all.

It's kind of sad how much wrath you people have with nijisanji, honestly. Then I have to read this thread is impartial lol

>>14751773
calm down anon, you trannies dont have real periods

>>14751523
if it makes you feel better the next two names on the list are graduated and a vTweeter for the last year and a half

>>14751831
>wrath
Anon, it would be "hatred", but that's not even what going on here. There's multiple conversations about things regarding Nijisanji, with the main one being about who receives the blame for their fuck ups. Then there's the shitters, but you can't do anything about those besides just not replying to them. It's up to people todetermine who is arguing in good faith and who is a shitter.

>>14751773
>nijisanji fandom
>in the west

Have I stumbled upon the vtsisters thread? Where are the numbers?

>>14751620
>What would you have suggested they do instead?
Not starting it in the first place.
>Their reaction and closure was the only choice in that situation.
You don't have to lie about what happened and then try to put a gag order on the people affected. Closing the branch was the right thing to do.
>it seems that the people in charge of anything in AnyColor
They warrant criticism. Anycolor warrants it.

>>14751831
But it is though. Everyone is shitting on Nijisanji because they're getting beat by Holo. It would be the complete opposite if the shoe was on the other foot. In a 2-man race, no one gives a shit if the other guy came in 2nd. All everyone will care about is that they didn't win. Not to mention, it's easier for the anons here to backseat Nijisanji's decisions because hindsight is a bitch. Pre-/vt/, everyone in hlg and the thread that served as the precursor to hlgg thought that Cover going after the EN market was stupid. That the concept of vtubers only worked in the west because there was a language barrier that filtered out the cringe. Everyone, even the most optimistic, expected Myth to be just a slightly better ID. Now everyone praises cover for jumping on the EN Market and how stupid Anykara was for not doing a "real" EN branch sooner. People are shitting on Nijisanji now because we're now seeing the result of all the decisions that they did back when they were market leader. And you best believe that if/when Yagoo's metaverse flops, this thread will shit on it mercilessly as well for being a stupid money sink.

I remember anons here saying this is a Hololive hugbox and nijifans don't exist.
So what's with all these defenders?

its over...
https://mobile.twitter.com/moketa11/status/1471433104078245890

>>14750317
>>14750212

>>14752192
f-falseflaggers?

>>14751591
this

>>14740441
Selen said multiple times she doesn't care if literally everyone doesn't find her entertaining and Lize is too much of an introvert to promote anyone.

>>14752213
so it begins huh, kinda sad cause he was one of the artists that used to draw a lot of nijis art

Holo superchats in yen from December 16 (JST) according to Hololyzer.

>1M+
G Korone 1,578,335 (return stream)
>500K+
3 Rushia 810,251 (Pokemon BDSP)
6 Iroha 774,574 (Ring Fit + Jump King)
6 La+ 647,853 (Deresute gacha + zatsudan)
1 Fubuki 634,362 (Pokemon BDSP + more Pokemon BDSP)
6 Koyori 603,757 (AsaKoyo + karaoke)
>100K+
EN Gura 389,983 (Minecraft)
4 Kanata 389,321 (Mario Kart)
5 Lamy 341,219 (Pokemon BDSP)
4 Luna 202,972 (zatsudan)
4 Watame 178,962 (Pokemon BDSP)
2 Shion 177,193 (offcollab with Nene)
G Mio 158,656 (karaoke)
EN Baelz 156,374 (zatsudan + Clubhouse 51 with Pekora)
4 Towa 145,273 (Mario Kart)
0 Suisei 134,425 (karaoke)
5 Botan 106,798 (onsen trip report with Watame)
6 Lui 103,442 (superchat reading + Ultimate Chicken Horse with Chloe and La+)
>sub 100K
G Okayu 95,652 (Power Pro)
EN Kronii 93,230 (Diablo with Kiara)
1 Mel 87,531 (ASMR)
EN Kiara 80,526 (Diablo with Kronii)
ID Anya 66,013 (Resident Evil) - she's still going but fuck it, it's been 8 hours
0 Miko 63,253 (Pokemon BDSP)
EN Ina 56,780 (cleaning her room)
EN Fauna 51,357 (heartbeat ASMR)
1 Haachama 34,610 (zatsudan)
0 Sora 23,423 (Minecraft)
ID Reine 13,944 (Cooking Simulator + The Watchers with Kotone)
5 Polka 10,154 (Polka no Densetsu)

>>14752213
I like this guy's art, I hope he starts drawing holos consistently instead of nijishits so I can peruse his stuff.

>>14752171
>And you best believe that if/when Yagoo's metaverse flops, this thread will shit on it mercilessly as well for being a stupid money sink.
People are already shitting on him because he is following entities/groups linked to blockchain technologies such as cryptocurrencies and NFTs. Mind you blockchain tech itself isn't even bad (you could do a lot of interesting things with it if you actually understand how it all works), but their current implementation is straight money laundering scheme tier (especially for NFTs).

>>14751992
There's literally an entire discord with 15k people in it, there's nijisanji fans on youtube and twitter, there's some on reddit. They are in the same size of hololive but it's larger than any other jp agency.
I know people who only watch jp, I know people who only watch ID, I know people who only watch VR (that one is surprising), and there's ofc people who watch certain vtubers of all branches. Heck, I have over 90 nijisanji from all branches in my subscription.
Even in clips you have people like michelle who clips nijikr: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8KxvhA-Vs9LTNcgDE-Bx2w
Or Niji id clips from taka's pocket
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWI-lBU5vXjO1s1lsSxZOIg
Or compilation channels like mofumofu and ajasapa for all branches
https://www.youtube.com/c/MofuMofuSubs
https://www.youtube.com/c/Ajasapa

And a lot of those have really good view numbers.

>>14752432
I hope Koyori ends up turning into another sc monsters, she gives the the gfe sensation with her asmr streams

>>14752171
If anything people should shit on hololive for that now. yagoo is going into a metaverse shit and probably will go after nft. This is a pyramid scheme bs that he's investing in.

>>14752171
>>14752439
The metaverse/NFT stuff will make the DLLsite deal seem like nothing in comparison. I hope you holobronies are ready. Cover will become a tyrant corporation striking down copyright on everything due to their copyrighted NFTs.

>>14752560
>J-J-Just wait Cover will do the same you'll see

>>14752560
>>14752547

>>14752517
>15k seaniggers
>https://www.youtube.com/c/Ajasapa
>location: indonesia
>https://www.youtube.com/c/MofuMofuSubs
>location: malaysia
>west