/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>internet too shit to stream
>try to get isp to improve
>isp says they upgraded it
>internet speed hasn't changed at all
looks like it's not meant to be

>>14697912
ISP hate, unilaterally, but have you tried streaming regardless? I thought my internet was too bad for streaming and it turned out to be fine.

>>14698201
I tried but it was an unwatchable slideshow

>>14698941
My grandma's house in the middle of fucking nowhere has better internet than you do, how is that possible?

>>14698941
arshime...

Been streaming for a month and I'm not really satisfied with the results. Technically I hit the requirement for affiliate but my chat is still empty. I'll have some people I made acquaintances with stop by, say hi, maybe chat for a bit, and then close the stream soon after (not even a lurk to help me out kek)... I can tell because my viewer count is always on. It's like I have this feeling that in the end I'm all alone and it's exhausting. I have no idea how to build a community from scratch.

For now I'll try switching strats and playing the same game twice in a row and then switching. If I play one game for the week, I'm scared my returning viewers might forget about me entirely. This'd be all so easy if I had access to statistics that gave me all the answers. I'm also turning into a huge numberfag which I don't like kek. I don't show it on stream though.

>>14701209
If you don't create off-site content odds are you'll never grow unless you're a god at networking, which most people aren't. How will people find you if they don't know you exist?

>>14701573
I try to shill myself on Reddit, and Twitter but they're pretty meh. I've actually found the most growth by complete luck. My test streams, being raided by someone with lots of viewers, etc. It's weird. I also get more retention being active in other chuuba chats. I don't bother with /wvt/ chuubas since most won't even bother looking my way. As for YouTube, I've never really touched since I barely get any views there. I might try YouTube out a bit more though with restream, and another idea I have.

>>14701969
You'll continue to never get any substantial growth without off-site content, that's just how it goes for any streamer. Networking and shilling is nice, but you need a way for people to know youre streaming if you want them to see you. These bits and pieces you gain from hanging out in chats and hoping for raids aren't sustainable and people move on, you need more coming than going.

>>14702214
I've not made a Discord yet but maybe I should. That way I could ping them since I noticed most returnees don't follow me on Twitter. Other than that, I have no other option other than Twitter and /wvt/. I could try the virtualyoutubers subreddit but I've never shilled there before.

>>14702886
Or....create content that isn't solely on twitch. again, you're grabbing at scraps. you need some sort of off-site content on youtube, twitter, etc.

The only ways to grow are becoming a networking god, have content off of twitch, or hope you're SO good and interesting that someone else shares your content. otherwise you'll just stagnate.

>>14702886
You need to create off-site content, like the other anon said.

It doesn't even need to be good. Write your schedule, then post a clip to tiktok of you reading it out.

I've found tiktok is much better for reading out schedules, or doing weird art things, than it is for clips. Make unique content for it

>>14702886
Are you reminding people to follow you on Twitter during your streams?

>>14701209
Have you tried... low effort mode?

>>14699913
so how fucked am I ?

>>14708469
twitch's max ingest is a bitrate of 6,000 and you have almost 14,000. you'll be fine.

Since i can't currently stream i have been thinking about redesigning my chuuba. The left one is the original with a few added things and the right one is a new version. I have the fashion sense of an old man so i can't come up with anything good.

>>14708970
either works, you're been procrastinating on streaming for so long i'm convinced you don't actually want to be a chuuba at this rate. that's fine but if you just want to be a vtweeter at least commit to that.

>>14709016
Dunno why you are so mad, I had to take a break.

>>14708970
Right is more visually interesting but I also feel like it is too "[left] but she really wants people to know she is a streamer".

>>14709498
you must GROOOOND at all times oh god oh fuck i- i'm GROOOOONDING AAAAHHHHHH

>>14710756
ohhhhhh my goddddd I'm about to get this brEAD uhhh OH FUCK

>>14708970
Both are very cute, hope you've been well. I prefer the original personally but the hairstyle on the right is very cute

>>14701209
what do you bring to the table? why should I waste my day watching you instead of the 100.000's of other underaged 0 view losers just booting a video game and pushing the start stream button?

>>14710927
Most people don't bring anything special to the table, it's not about being unique it's about having a personality people enjoy. Unique or Creative content is a meme, no one has it.

>>14711376
>personality people enjoy
thats something you would bring to the table that immediately raises you above the hundred of thousands of 0 viewers
>Unique or Creative content is a meme, no one has it
beyond cope. you will never be able to improve your content if you are this delusional

Is the schizo visiting again?
Quick, quick, do the thing where you ask for a notated quantitative list of the things a person "needs" to GMI

>>14708970
Can't really add anything, both look good, i feel that hair being a bit longer on the right one would make it better tho, looking forward to seeing you stream again

>>14711496
What unique or creative content are these creators making? At best you've got Murder Crumpet's whole VR shtick and Haruka's editor making memes but they're all just personalities. Don't want chuubas? Go all the way to the top and look at the biggest channels. They're all just doing reaction content aside from one guy say "Mario" a million times. Jerma does one or two big Twitch-sponsored shows a year, and the rest do gameshows. Those don't work unless you have on people that users care to watch.

>>14697912
Try a different ISP. If there aren't any, try out the Calyx portable hotspot.

damn trying to be a chuuba is hard even on third world countries now.
Here in brazil one year ago you would have 1 or 3 vtubers now there's more than 1000

>>14711543
>a notated quantitative list of the things a person "needs" to GMI
Sleep with the hololive president to secure a spot in their next gen.

>>14711496
>beyond cope. you will never be able to improve your content if you are this delusional
name the unique content creators because im seeing none

>>14711543
if its the same person then its an eternal tba acting like he knows shit when hasn't even started streaming himself

>>14711723
>What unique or creative content are these creators making?
why do you have 0 views with them sitting at over 1k then? if you're only thinking of "creative" or "unique" in terms of "this has never been done before in the history of vtubing" you're being pedantic as fuck and equally as retarded.

>>14711743
I don't know how feasible that is for my, I live in a small country town in the north of England & apparently it's among the 5 worst-off towns for broadband infrastructure in the north

>>14712651
I'm partnered, so I likely know a bit more than you even if I don't have thousands of viewers. "Unique" and "Creative" is a meme people here fall for when they think they need to teach languages or read some book no one care about.

The most popular content is the same content everyone else is putting out, the only difference is the person's personality and that some people are better at networking, sharing their content (Youtube, twitter, tiktok, etc), and creating content for Youtube than others. You've got the occasional Code Miko, Jerma, etc that do something genuinely unique and creative, but otherwise it's basically all the same content. Why do you think Just Chatting is always the most popular category and chatting streams are the most viewed? Because it lets the person's personality show a lot stronger than gaming ones, not that gaming prevents it or anything.

I really, really don't want to use tik tok ever.
Or twitch for that matter.

>>14712651
still asking for that unique content those chuubas are putting out

>>14713607
Then fail, because the main way people get popular on Youtube is the same content you probably think is "too normie". You won't get anywhere without advertising yourself. Ever.

>>14713425
>I'm partnered, so I likely know a bit more than you
kek /asp/ies trying to larp being partnered now? if you put in this amount of effort into actually making content you'd have made affiliate but i guess larping is a form of content creation too.

>>14713853
There's been multiple bigger chuubas who lurk or post her and have given advice or pointed out flawed advice like yours. Meanwhile you still can't even point out these "unique" or "creative" chuubas. If it's one of the best ways to get big, why is next to no one doing it and growing more from networking, releasing their content to other sites, and depending on their personality instead of gimmicks? You're delusional if you don't think there's other larger creators who lurk and post.

>>14714157
>pointed out flawed advice like yours. Meanwhile you still can't even point out these "unique" or "creative" chuubas.
you're being actually retarded if you think you're replying to the same anon or if you're still thinking in black and white terms for "unique"
>You're delusional if you don't think there's other larger creators who lurk and post.
and i'm secretly Jerma. post your numbers or piss off with your strawmen.

How do I network? What offstream content can I make? Just want to learn how to you grow as a nobody

>>14714266
make funny memes and tweet them out with appropriate hashtags

>>14714266
post booba

why is no one posting chuubas with unique or creative content? we need some examples if its what everyones doing

>contentfag ruining another thread by spamming demands for "unique"

Does dova-syndrome require some kind of licensing or are you just allowed to download and play whatever the fuck as bgm from their site?

>>14714724
Unique is making me feel like they could *actually* be my gf if I donate enough to them. Creative is making me feel like they already are my gf.

>no cup stacking vtuber
>no geocaching vtuber
>no interior decorator vtuber
>no astral projection vtuber
>no film critic vtuber
>no viva la revolucion vtuber
>no foster home vtuber
>no sea peoples vtuber
>no medicine ball vtuber
>no stunt double vtuber
>no flash mob vtuber
>no cardcaptor vtuber
>no groupie vtuber
>no reconquista vtuber
>no telemarketing vtuber
>no kettlebell vtuber
>no test pilot vtuber
>no raw water vtuber
>no recycling vtuber
>no mad scientist vtuber
>no blacksmith vtuber
>no skeet shooting vtuber
>no mafia vtuber
>no train conductor vtuber
>no riverdance vtuber
>no rc drone vtuber
>no bloatmaxx vtuber
>no firewalking vtuber
>no submarine vtuber
>no mountie vtuber
>no sodastream vtuber
>no crop circle vtuber
>no shepard vtuber
>no civil war re-enactment vtuber
>no drummer vtuber
>no warg vtuber
>no dump truck vtuber
>no jungian shadow vtuber
>no defensive back vtuber
>no sommelier vtuber
>no hot dog vtuber
>no soul society vtuber
>no deepstrike vtuber
>no peleton vtuber
>no self-driving car vtuber
>no kigurumi vtuber
>no funeral home vtuber
>no electro-magnetic pulse vtuber
>no bricklayer vtuber
>no barnacle vtuber
>no space station 13 vtuber
>no bank teller vtuber
>no dustforce vtuber
>no knife sharpening vtuber
>no confederate vtuber
>no moogle vtuber
>no cooper vtuber
>no beard grooming vtuber
>no construction worker vtuber
>no tupperware vtuber
>no loanshark vtuber
>no polearm vtuber
>no locksmith vtuber
>no heist vtuber
>no devops vtuber
>no power forward vtuber
>no falconry vtuber
>no hypnotist vtuber
>no neutron star vtuber
>no trojan horse vtuber
>no gladiator vtuber
>no solar powered vtuber
>no amtrak vtuber
>no chiropractor vtuber
>no archeology vtuber
>no drug smuggling vtuber
>no spelunking vtuber
>no winamp vtuber
>no manifest destiny vtuber
>no xenophobic vtuber
>no iron curtain vtuber
>no remote play vtuber
>no pineapple vtuber
>no statistics vtuber
>no imaginary number vtuber
>no graph theory vtuber
>no anti-de-sitter space vtuber
>no quantum chromodynamics vtuber
>no sugar daddy vtuber
>no gold digger vtuber
>no trophy spouse vtuber
>no soapland vtuber
>No satanic marathon runner vtuber
>No mormon polygamist vtuber
>No neolithic stone circle vtuber
>No zoroastrian massive tower funeral vtuber
>no balanced breakfast vtuber
>no latte art vtuber
>no claw machine vtuber
>no hotwheels vtuber
>/here/ full of backlogging males

I'm going to start streaming from my submarine

>>14714867
Dova is group of multiple musicians to share their material. each musician has their own terms and you can find them by going through the links in the description. most of them are chill with just a link to the youtube video or the creator's page with credit. others are scumbags.

only thing to keep in mind is that you avoid every song on Dova syndrome made by TRACKS Inc. since they're known to strike and demonetize your videos. they've given clippers a lot of headaches because Pekora uses bgm from them. so that's gotten all clips with that bgm flagged and strikes from TRACKS Inc.

>>14714950
>>/here/ full of backlogging males
>the best performing males are backlogging or playing genshin

>>14715201
it's only backlogging if i find them boring

>>14714950
>no drummer vtuber
Ya know, I can actually play the drums and that's not a bad niche. I'd have to figure out how to vtube for it, but I could do like a street drumming style stream where I just jam and maybe take a few requests.

>>14715253
also drummer here. not if i do it first!!! then you wont be unique and you will fail!! you stupid motherfucker!!!!!

>>14715418
>take bait from trashcan tourist
>actively become more obnoxious than the tourist
>continue sperging out
why are you like this?

>>14715490
im not that anon this is my first post in this particular thread and im just fucking around (but also i actually am a drummer and think it would be cool to do that)

>>14715253
Zentreya did it and people liked it, just have to break DMCA a little bit

>>14715043
Good point, thanks! Hopefully the ones I like are lenient

Why would anyone watch me when shark exists

>>14714950
But why would you want to base yourself off any single one of these?
>no film critic vtuber
like you can make content on this but that's it?

>>14715894
You wouldn't, that's the point

>>14715894
it's a ritualpost from /wvt/ about gimmick streamers. don't engage.

>>14714950
>no hotwheels vtuber
when will a vtuber do a hotwheels: acceleracers watchalong?

>>14715934
>>14715930
I didn't think that board on /trash/ got any engagement lol

/asp/ies remember that even though this thread might be better than reddit or twitter it's still 4chan

>>14715253
>>14715418
It would be cool to do it with full body tracking! Sorta like what the 8-Bit Drummer does!
>>14715490
anon i am not a tourist i just think the creative haaton post is funny and wanted to make a big compilation of all their goofy ideas

>>14696471
Are there any streamer threads on 4chan that aren't vtuber related? You'd think /vidya/ would have some

>>14717064
no because jannies clean them up for being off topic for the board. even Mythbreakers TTRPG threads get wiped now and then unless there's an actual stream taking place and relevant discussion taking place.

>>14717121
I don't see any threads talking about streamers separate from vtubers, only once and while on /v/

>>14717352
can try making a thread in the trashcan but who knows how well that's gonna go

>been watching various streamers and vtubers as research
>streamer with the personality closest to mine is asmongold

Does this work for a girl vtuber? I think I'm actually better at playing games though. And I'm lil less of an asshole and more of a showoff.

>>14718394
won't know until you start streaming. get a png and get started. don't waste money on expensive shit until you know streaming is something you want to do.

>>14714950
>tfw already settled on grim reaper vtuber due to another /asp/ie telling me to channel my inner chuuni and having that character during my IRL chuuni phase

>>14719648
unless you're plagiarizing Mori's design it really doesn't matter. there's like 40 dragon chuubas, a billion succubus chuubas and 30 monkey chuubas all designed after Sun Wukong from chinese myth with the dumb headband and stick.

>>14698941
I guess play turn based games with a PNG anon.

>>14719713
Duuuude, did you know that Dragon Ball is based on Journey to the West? Those chuubas do.

>>14719713
>unless you're plagiarizing Mori's design
It will have pink hair...
Not because of Mori, mind you, but because of an avatar I've been using for ages.

>>14719973
pink hair on its own isn't a "design"

>>14720198
Just saying. It's about the only thing it will have in common with her model.
I already have a color scheme, a hairstyle and a couple of details in mind.
Now I just have to pull it off in Vroid somehow.

>>14713853
nta but im partnered after 5 months and i still dont know what im doing

>>14720429
same here. i'm also partnered and i started 2 months ago. i play apex and minecraft and it's worked out for me.

Why Apex?
Seems kind of random that of all games Apex Legends would become THE vtuber game per excellance.

>>14720429
>>14720491
I apologize if this is a bit of a greasy question, but what impact has your partnership had on your day jobs?

>>14720742
Because game choice only matters if you can't carry your stream with banter. Some people don't have any trouble holding an audience no matter what they play. Some games might give fewer viewers but they still keep their current audience.

>>14720926
pretty sure it's bait, anon. anyone can walk in here and claim to be partnered no one ever provides receipts though.

>>14721152
I'm really just gonna be Buster from Arthur for my entire life, huh

>>14721152
And what happens after someone provides receipts? The retards just disappear because they have nothing else to nitpick. Look at the current smaller partner chuubas and their game categories, or just what they do on the daily.

What stops you from doing the exact same thing? You can pick any partnered stream, do the exact same thing and the outcome won't be the same because personality comes into play.

>>14721234
there's a way you can prove you're partnered but do you really give a shit about proving yourself to a bunch of nobodies on a 4chan thread? if you're not going to provide proof that you're partnered, don't bring it up because no one is going to believe you anyway with all the trolls that /asp/ gets daily.

just drop your say and leave it.

>>14721327
>And what happens after someone provides receipts?
/asp/ies ask questions and get generic and useless feedback. just like when Yozora came by to help out but only gave generic advice like "make sure your sound is good"

>>14721347
whoa I'm not either of the people that were saying they were partnered, I'm this guy >>14720926

>>14721406
>/asp/ies ask questions and get generic and useless feedback
Because "generic advice" is really all you can give in an industry where your personality and willingness to learn how to create easily consumable content are really the only things that matter the most. Plenty of bigger streamers still use garbage cams and generic snowballs mics, and plenty of chuubas have low quality models and still succeeded.

>>14721643
What personalities succeed and which ones don't

What is easily consumable content vs not easily consumable content

or that happens and it turns out the "receipts" were taken from someone else and the poster is just larping and never gives a reply.

If I'm american and I learn japanese, will I be able to stream for japanese viewers? Would they watch (assuming I'm entertaining and interesting) even though I'm a westerner

>>14722137
>will I be able to stream for japanese viewers?
sure. but the bigger question is how they're going to find you. western chuubas already have a difficult time marketing themselves to a western audience as it is.

>>14722137
How much Japanese do you already know? It’s not a language you can just pick up in a month.

>>14721744
>What personalities succeed and which ones don't
It's not just a matter of "what personality". There's nice guys, jerks, extroverts, (relative) introverts, etc. Look at the current successful streamers, from the thousands to the hundreds. What personality traits are most common? It's not as easy as just "Be this way and you'll do good!". It's something you just have to learn as you go. Some people just have boring personalities, even if they are nice or extroverted.

>What is easily consumable content vs not easily consumable content
Short clips from stream, meme videos,

Both of these questions are answered by simply doing the minimum amount of research. How can you want to be a content creator if you don't watch content creators and see the types of things they do or types of people they are? Look at what works and what doesn't because all the advice in the world won't work as well as seeing practical examples of what you want to be.

You don't need to be a top 10 streamer though. If you push enough content out and aren't an absolute bore you can still gain a decent audience.

>>14722137
Japanese indies barely get viewers. No one cares if you're Western Japanese Speaker #1951 and why would you want that audience anyway?

>>14721968
reverse image search doesn't pull up any results for me; twitch dashboard receipts are only viewable by the streamer themselves
though knowing you i assume your next move is to say they photoshopped it

>>14722321
>How can you want to be a content creator if you don't watch content creators and see the types of things they do or types of people they are?
oh so you're the anon that keeps shitting on fresh /asp/ies for not knowing everything before they start out

>>14722313
I took a class in it but it'd just be something I'd practice every day and builds towards. This is more of a longterm goal.

>why would you want that audience anyway?
Just think it would be cool to talk to any japanese people who are interested in a western vtuber. I don't think it's some kind of untapped market or anything but maybe there's some people there who would like it.

>>14722381
Why is is always Fest or Famine with you people? I'm not shitting on you for not knowing everything, I don't know everything either. But what DO you know? Have you looked into any streamers or content creators? That's the bare minimum. I'm shitting on you for not doing the bare minimum and wanting people here to hand you the secret code to success.

>>14722389
Absolutely no one would care.

>>14722366
>i assume your next move is to say they photoshopped it
not saying they photoshopped it but

>>14722465
that anon is a troll that regularly comes in to shit on new streamers by telling anyone asking questions about getting started to "go away and stream" and shits on anyone with credentials by saying "the big bad successful streamer is being mean to me!!" you can just ignore him he is almost exclusively someone who posts in bad faith

Not what I expected when I hoped for the thread to not prune.

>just do your own research

>>14722621
I get this is a thread to help people but you can't depend solely on this thread. "Do your own research but here's what you should research" is perfectly fine, I don't watch the same streamers or content creators you watch, and if you don't watch any why do you even want to be one?

>>14703667
>>14705261
I see. Alright, I think I'll try out an idea I have then. YouTube has been terrible for me but I think I have an idea to make my channel not useless.

>>14722718
>and if you don't watch any why do you even want to be one?
there are people who unironically get into because they heard that there are people out there who make money by sitting around and playing video games of thousands of people to watch and just hit go live and stream without actually looking into what it takes to be a successful streamer

>>14722865
>people who unironically get into because they heard that there are people out there who make money by sitting around and playing video games
Hey. That's me!

I am doing my research, though.

Is there anyone here with a decent knowledge of Japanese?
I just started learning it but I wanted to know how much proficiency is needed to tweak lyrics for feminine/masculine speech patterns.

Are there any big vtubers with a wizard theme? Cause I want to be a wizard too

what's the point of partnered chuubas coming here and shitting on new chuubas when it can be boiled down to
>you have charisma or you don't
?

might as well update the OP and let the thread die.

>>14724425
you must be really soft if you read a response like >>14722321 and see it as "shitting on new chuubas"

>>14724825
you must be fucking retarded if you read
>you have charisma or you don't
and see it is as "shitting on new chuubas"
anon literally says
>Some people just have boring personalities, even if they are nice or extroverted.
so you have or you don't have charisma. if you don't have it, you're ngmi. neck yourself faggot.

>>14724981
I think people without "streamer charisma" still have a shot doing scripted Youtube stuff, it's harder to make but there's so much more wiggle room

>>14724981
In that same post the anon says
>If you push enough content out and aren't an absolute bore you can still gain a decent audience
there's a lot of things you can do to not make yourself boring
one thing I remember leaflit bringing up was that she took improv classes which helped her when it came to speaking on stream
and even then, making good content is only part of the battle; I've enjoyed conte t from people with under 20 views just as much if not more than content I've engages with from people in the triple digits
some people just attract viewers than others whether it be through clips, leaving good first impressions during a raid, or advertising yourself.

>>14726522
>the literal line he quotes says
>and aren't an absolute bore
it's all charisma in the end. you have it or you don't.
so you're not only a fucking retard but you're also an illiterate nigger

>>14726522
>there's a lot of things you can do to not make yourself boring
most anons here won't do any of them, but I guess it's technically possible. anons here don't do shit, chuubas here don't clip or share their clips. no one does anything but go live, link on twitter and /wvt/, and hope for the best.

>>14726571
if you're someone without a single ounce of charisma then I don't know what to tell you if you're getting into the entertainment field
it's not like charisma is a all or nothing thing or something that you can't work on but from the way you type you seem convinced that the opposite is true
you aren't worth talking to any further and I'm sure other anons will appreciate whatever other advice gets thrown around while you sperg out about beibg the world's most uncharismatic retard

>>14726772
>I'm sure other anons will appreciate whatever other advice gets thrown around
"other advice" includes
>know everything about what it takes to be a content creator
>already be famous
>already be popular
>just be likeable bro
useful as fuck bro. thanks bro. love you bro. couldn't have made it without your help bro.

>no gyaru streamer that speaks english...

>>14726884
>>know everything about what it takes to be a content creator
You don't need to know everything, no one knows everything going in. You need to be willing to actually learn and show some initiative and not wait here for someone to link Ludwig's video for the 30th time.

>>already be famous/popular
Probably the hardest one

>just be likeable bro
This advice is only bad for autists who don't know what makes another human being likeable. If you're this retarded you had no chance of ever succeeding to begin with.

"give up" is great advice im sure lots of retired chuubas would've liked to have before they spent 2k on art and assets and wasted dozens or hundreds of hours streaming only to find out they don't have the personality to keep anyone around

>>14727729
I'm kind of astounded by how many new vtubers debut with commissioned avatars. There's no way a cent of the money spent on those things was earned, or at least I hope that's the case

>>14727830
Am I a dumbass for planning on just drawing my own avatar and then having a professional upgrade it later if I get money from streaming

>>14727886
I hope not because that's exactly what I'm doing

>>14727896
Unless you have some big plan or debut big, you probably won't. Most chuubas don't make their money back outside of the lucky one who get whales and those are typically not small, new chuubas

>>14727603
>You need to be willing to actually learn
Learn what though? Why can't any streamer who has learned take the time to explain WHAT it is that they learned? It's alway >you have to learn and never >here's what I learned.

>>14727971
That's fine by me; I'm not saying that I think I'm guaranteed donations. I promise I'm not retarded

>>14728049
I don't think most streamers have had to, in all honesty. Most chuubas I've seen don't learn anything besides how to improve on their own personal humor or inject their personality more into their content. You look back on old Iron Mouse streams and they've basically the same. Look back on old Zen streams, same thing.

The "be willing to actually learn" is more for people who have negative charisma or knowledge about streaming/content creation because they weren't ever consumers of it themselves. Most people these days who are streamers watched them for ages already, but when it comes to chuubas/chuuba viewers/wannabe chuubas, they're all relatively children when it comes to streamers.

Just to grab a random name

>>14728320
>Just grab a random name and look at who they've followed in the past.

All of VShojo for example have been interested and watching streamers for years before the vtuber thing got popular here. It's a bit harder when it comes to people who started fresh accounts just for vtubing, but most everyone streaming already had an interest in different internet personalities to begin with.

I think this is a good thread. If the partner chuubas weren’t bullshitting, thank you for stopping by.
My two cents: people don’t like completely new things because they don’t know what to expect. The safest route is to give them 80% the same stream a holo would do, with 20% of a twist.
This is the reason you see chuubas jump on jump king and apex and fall guys and other bandwagons, it works.
If I see big chuuba X playing some game and I like it, I would be looking for more of a similar or the same game to fill in the void inbetween streams.
But most importantly, clip yourself on Tiktok and abuse the YouTube SEO. Tiktok especially has sometimes the most generic vroids gain couple hundred followers just by using a popular meme sound. The standards really aren’t that high.
If you don’t know what works, dive into the social feeds for a couple of days, and you’ll get a feel for what memes are hot right now. Or do something educational.

>>14728703
>Tiktok
you had me until this

>>14728741
There's no reason to not take every avenue reasonable to share your content. If you want to no include one for no apparently reason then that's on you, but it can only be a positive.

>>14728886
show me the numbers on how much money zoomers pay

>>14729236
Why would you make content that attracts zoomers?

Anyway, here you go retardchama.

https://www.twitch.tv/kenji

>>14729331
>ask for how much zoomers pay
>links a nigger
is there a reason why all your faggots can't read?

>>14729367
Scroll down and look at his donos, or look at his chat and see his current subs. This is all in the last couple of months. Stop pretending to be retarded.

>14729407
>use tiktok and you get whales
probably the dumbest fucking shit i've ever read from you faggots all year

>>14729544
He used tiktok and got whales and is one of the biggest indies. All his stuff there is is just clips from his stream. The bare minimum. Most chuubas don't even do that. Riikami grew from it as well, as did a few others like that girl who just plays apex. I know you like to think you know what you're talking about but clearly the evidence is against you if multiple people are getting great results.

>>14727971
>Most chuubas don't make their money back
That's because most chuubas are idiots who spend hundreds up front.

I commissioned an avatar on fiverr, for something like £50. I bought a set of overlays on etsy for £20. And I bought a cheap USB mic for £10. I ended up buying another piece of character art for £40, then stopped buying.

Made all that back in my first affiliate payout (hyped the fuck out of my first affiliate stream, got ~£50 from it. As a 5-view m*le, that wasn't bad).

Since then, I spent ~£75 on emotes, then got a Raid sponsorship, which paid out ~£300. Spent that on more emotes, skebs, and upgraded graphics.

Just start cheap. Sure, things will suck, but it means you make the money back.

>>14727886
You save money but lose out on a lot of time. I know it's cliche at this point but time IS money - how much of it is worth it to you?
Some vtubers blew up just by being at the right place at the right time, and you might "miss the train" so to speak if you take too long.

>>14729621
>but clearly the evidence is against you if multiple people are getting great results.
way to cherrypick the three people who found success and not the millions who are shitting around on tiktok with zero views

>>14730400
Those are just three off the top of my head. There's also Buffpup who was big but grew even more, uguubear, aicandii, shxtou, and more im likely not even aware of. Tiktok helps with growth, it's not even up for discussion.

By that logic it's just cherry picking to say Youtube helped because there's millions who failed, or cherrypicking to say sharing your content AT ALL helps because millions failed. there's plenty of success stories for streamers from tiktok.

>>14730585
So basically it's all luck again on who makes it or not

>>14730649
Sure, give up now your odds are really low. It has nothing to do with how good your content is, how wide an audience it captures, just 100% luck and nothing else matters. That's why all these content creators only ever have one successful video ever and the rest get 2 views.

>>14730694
>This is why all these content creators have just one clip that propels them to fame then slowly decline

>>14730694
nta butt's easy to say these things after they've made it, but in kenji's case he doesn't really stand out from others aside from the generally appealing design (many others have this)

I haven't used tiktok and i'm doing really well but i'm still on the fence about taking the plunge mainly because said vtubers cater to a specific audience (zoomers who dont mesh with my content)

>>14731030
His content isn't for me, but he's extremely energetic, good at speaking, and can carry conversation for hours. I'm fairly sure most of his stream is just spent doing banter with chat.

Tiktok recommends you content it thinks you'll like. If you like a lot of content about plants, you'll see a lot. If you want satisfying sounds or visuals, you see that a lot. Don't want to attract zoomers? Don't make content that appeals to them. Just use it to house condensed clips and memes you do.

>>14730585
i always see weird ESLs stumbling into uguubear's chat saying stuff like "cute bear from tiktok i like your videos" or "haha funny tiktok bear" but I don't think she minds that the majority of her audience is braindead. They still provide her 200+ views per stream, even if she just streams phasmo for a whole month

>>14714950
jokes aside, what's wrong with backlogging?

>>14731030
Kenji is zoomer supreme. The way he talks is literally how all the kids talk where I live. He's really popular with the tiktok audience

don't die

>>14729953
You may miss one wave, but will catch another if you stick to it long enough. It’s a question of are you in this for the long run or not.

/asp/ies are cute! Cute!

What's your absolute favorite game to see a vtuber playing?

>>14717064
We need a general e-celeb containment board

>>14737673
Kenshi.

>>14737823
It’s called kiwifarms

>>14726571
You can do well with little to no charisma, you just need to compensate by
A)Being a god at vidya (Or some other skill like drawing)
B)Being pure sex

>>14708970
you should be livestreaming your art process

>>14699913
How is your grandma, anon?

>>14732252
The comments like that usually come from people who watch a lot of streamers and get tired when they watch their 50th playthrough of Yakuza 0 or Mario Odyssey; it's not like it's a necessarily bad thing
Sone people also comment on how backlogging can be less interesting if the streamer is too focused on the game to interact with chat

>>14697912
>>14698941
tried doing a test stream
although the framerate was at unwatchable levels, the audio seemed to be ok so maybe I could just be a pngtuber podcast

Will I make enemies by having a loli-esque vtuber design? My vtuber friend asked to see the design I'd been working on and after 24 hours they still haven't responded to what I've shown them, which is weird because they usually message me all the time. I still think the design is what fits me best- I'm really not lewd at all and my voice matches up- but I'm just curious, will this happen a lot?

>>14744361
yes, because UUUUOOOOHHHHHHHH cunnyfags will fap over you/your model and anyone who can't achieve the same effect by mere virtue of existing will seethe because you basically get a head start in attention. Fuck em. Any who are jealous because of shit like that are negative people you don't need in your circle.
post vocaroo btw

>>14744361
>Will I make enemies
If youre worried about enemies as a 0-view, please stop. No one would care. This is just you hesitating

>>14744465
this guy is horny

>>14744494
no, i just think it's really fucking bold of >her to say "my voice matches up". I don't give a shit if they just say "hi this is my voice", just curious if they're deluded or not.

>>14744361
No one cares

>>14743345
What would your podcast be about? Concept sounds interesting

>>14744361
Don't read too much into that kind of stuff.
If you think viewers will like it, its good.

>>14744361
Relax. Vtwittertrannies only have power over you if you allow them to have power over you.
Even if they tried to pin the child molester shit on you, you couldn't stretch an arm on the site without hitting the real deal.

>>14744807
Not sure, maybe about game design & weird indie games from itch.io?
maybe even talk how some adult games?

>>14744361
I mean, depends how 'bad' you lean into it, and whether you bait anyone. But a younger design will probably not be a major problem unless you start doing lewd(ish) stuff

>>14745318
Sounds cool, looking forward to seeing you do it

Went rabbitholing for a bit just out of morbid curiosity. Kinda encouraging to see how many signed corpos were literally and unironically 20-30views or so who weren't otherwise artists, voice actors, performing artists in general. Seems ability to Make It really is dependent on undefinable X factor.
of course that's only really true of ladies, pretty much every m*le was a million-view NND musician or semi-professional seiyu or something
Anyways good news for you /asp/ies with tits and vag: you'll have to compete with God knows how many others but you unironically can Make It from any previous level of success.

>>14744465
https://vocaroo.com/1m5YTmwCaV7V
Had to be a little quiet and record with my phone because my mic is packed away, but this is my super comfortable range. I can go higher and stuff, but yeah there's a taste.

>>14747198
You sound somewhat familiar, do you already do youtube stuff or am i confusing you with someone else?

>>14747269
Nope, I don't :0

>>14747198
Thanks for taking me up on my "challenge". Sorry if I came across as overly-hostile. Call it your first taste of anti attention.
Generic soprano girl voice/10 (not saying that as a bad thing being a filthy m*le I'm jealous of you grills having a built in buff). Carry on.
Though if I'm gonna continue my aggressive criticality, your voice lacks the breathiness of a typical "lolibait" streamer imo. More of a soft-spoken girl next door feel. I mean you can make a little girl character work, just my take.

>>14747338
My bad then, looking forward to seeing you stream

>>14746964
>Ignores/doesn't mention/doesn't know about the nepotism perk tree
Many such cases! Sad!

>>14747429
Oh okay!! Thank you I'll play around with it and see what I end up liking. I don't hate doing the super breathy cute voice I just sometimes hear that people don't like it, I might experiment with trying to find a good mix of the two. Once again, thanks!

>>14747492
I could (but won't, for obvious reasons) name a good 6 or 7 fewviews with no known connection to anyone else hired between both Holo and Niji.
Are there nepotism hires? Yes, no shit. But trotting out the same tired argument to bully people into giving up before they've even tried is passe, even by /asp/ standards. I'm just saying, for the sake of anyone who happens to be here and think "but is there REALLY a chance?", that unless you're a fatalist who just automatically assumes the deck is stacked against you and doesn't even buy into the game, there is a glimmer of hope.
I won't be one of those people. My voice is shit, and I'm male besides. I don't really have any extra talents. But God forbid, I just wanna be nice and encouraging, I know by default we're all supposed to be nihilist assholes but I've done that nonstop for years.

>>14744361
Theres nothing wrong with loli models
Even the twitter people wont care unless you actively pander to stuff like with Shimehisae's new model (they have a womb tattoo and are half naked)

>>14747942
imagine saviorfagging vtweeters and predebuts
you're saying shit that's been said a million bajillion times in this general. "you can do it! there's a chance! just try!"
and no, i'm not our resident schizo asking for a to-do list to make it, i'm just remarking. how many FUCKING times do we need to see the SAME FUCKING hugbox pat on the back bullshit man

>>14747492
I like how most of nijisanji en is just the same clique that existed in indie scene

>>14748201
this
WRT 'nepotism' it's not even a necessarily a case of "oh, one of the bigshots already in the agency vouched for one of them", it can be something like "a pre-assembled package of mildly-successful streamers who already have good chemistry were just swallowed under the umbrella as a set".

>>14748104
Oh yeah I just saw it, yikes. Thank you for the advice!

>>14744361
Whenever you feel like this, just remember Kana.
She openly comms porn of herself, is getting a model by henreader, and was even the face of a corpo, and nobody has ever given her shit for it. She's not exactly a small streamer, so it's not like it simply went under the radar.
Antis are only as important as you think they are. Do what you like.

>>14748507
If you have huge numbers no one can touch you so it's not really good advice
see fallenshadow who comms porn too, she has the numbers

Kyuotto pandered for numbers
didn't get them
now she's back to obscurity

Speaking of models, would there be any issues if I were to put logos or references to a copyrighted character on my model?

>>14748731
Look at nux taku who is Persona 5 joker, sans from undertale, and slade's mask from teen titans lol
i guess it depends on how heavily referenced it would be

>>14748710
Kyuotto's numbers ironically came from getting cancelled, she had no followers before that.

>>14748880
Ah, the VDrama Gambit. A dangerous, high-risk play.

>>14743345
You're better off doing edited videos

>>14748880
Oh i was speaking post "cancellation"
she started off huge but now she can't even apply for partner
probably has something to do with the fact that she tried to cash in hard very early (10k moving fund donation goal a month into streaming) and it turned everyone off, loli or not

>>14748133
>how many FUCKING times do we need to see the SAME FUCKING hugbox pat on the back bullshit man
Welcome to /asp/. First time?

the big problem is that anons aren't transparent when it comes to their goals. if you just want to do this as a hobby, fucking go for it, no one cares. it's a hobby. if you're doing this to "make it" either as an indie or to build a portfolio and go corpo then you better put in the effort. it's retarded when /asp/ies start out trying to make it, realize it's not that easy and then come back to demoralize everyone else

>>14753825
I want to stream because I love playing video games and I hate doing cool stuff in a game without people watching. I want people to watch me, and talk to me, I want to make jokes and play off chat, I want to smile and laugh and have a good time, and I want to be the center of attention. Streaming gives me all of that. I also want to make at least 200 dollars a week streaming, any more is a bonus. I would quit my wageslave job that I hate if I made that much.

>>14754044
>I also want to make at least 200 dollars a week streaming
$200/wk = $800/month
this would require at least 1,600 active subscribers. if just 5% of your followers are active subs, that's 32,000 followers, more if your subs to follow ratio is lower.

if you want a point of reference, Nina Kosaka from NijisanjiEN3 recently opened her memberships and hit about 750 members after 2 months since debuting as part of Nijisanji. you're looking at over double that.

>>14754451
I thought most of the streaming money comes from donations not subs

>>14754485
if you can figure out a reliable way to calculate donations, please let the rest of the class know

any recommendations on how to make a good audition video for niji?

>>14754513
Ok. $200 is 40 $5 donations. Streaming 5 days a week would mean I'd need 8 $5 donations per stream. This is assuming zero subscribers, with subs I would need less donations per stream. I don't think this is impossible, especially since this is a long term goal.

>>14754576
show don't tell. if you can sing, don't just say you can sing actually sing a song on video. half a song or just the chorus is can be enough to fill up some time. if you have video editing skills like Millie Parfait show off some edited stuff. clips of your gaming or accomplishments. general shit that your audience can expect when they tune into your stream.

>>14754609
>Streaming 5 days a week would mean I'd need 8 $5 donations per stream.
which chuubas do you watch consistently get this many donations per stream every single week?

>>14754726
nta but the only people getting 200 a week are people with views. It's not a bad long term goal though, except you need to be willing to put in the work to get there and most anons still think you can just go live and do nothing but play games and magically get money, so I just assume that's what everyone thinks.

>>14754865
You don't understand, having goals makes you a naive idiot. The only way to make it as a streamer is to not try, that's what this thread is about right

>>14754609
>Streaming 5 days a week
5 days a week, what I assume will be a minimum of 3 hours per stream. So when exactly do you plan on rewatching VODs and clipping, editing vids (or learning how to), researching different types of content you can make, network, etc?

Speaking of long term goals, how bad of a long term goal is 20 ccv?

>>14754865
sure, but that just goes back to the original point. /asp/ies need to be clear whether they're doing this as a hobby or to try and "make it" you really can't have it both ways. if you start making friends with every chuuba you meet, you're going to sour a lot of relationships as you keep trying to grow and they'll start to resent you and feel like you are using them to grow.

if you start out with the goal to make it, then that's different. you approach all relationships understanding it's a professional one. you stay out of twitter chit chat and ignore all the drama bullshit. you collab when it helps your growth and not because a bunch of your chuuba friends just want to shit around on crab game for the 20th time this month.

>>14754451
>>14754513
I get what you're trying to say, but there's people making 1k a month that don't have 1600 active subs or even half that. Most streamers with that many subs are pulling at least 1k viewers. Streamer income comes from bits, subs, and donos and while there's no reliable way to calculate it, assuming it only need come from subs isn't really helpful either.

>>14754945
7 days = 168 hours
sleep = 49 hours, 119 hours remaining
work = 20 hours, 99 hours remaining
stream = 15 hours, 84 hours of free time remaining

I could probably do it. I have no friends and literally nothing better to do.

>>14754962
The problem with this goal, and the "earn $200 per week"/40 donos per week, is that you are incapable of changing the outcome on this.

Sure, working on your clips, networking, technical quality, and everything else will probably help; but you could end up languishing in 10 view hell. Maybe you do everything right, and you're just unlucky.

It's better to have goals that are entirely within your control:
- 3 streams a week of 4 hours (entirely in your hands)
- 7 (good) clips a week (mostly in your viewer's hands, but you can clip yourself if you have to)
- Upgraded overlays+BGM+alerts (entirely up to you)

If it's just something to work toward as an aim, rather than anything you'll do to achieve it... Why set the goal?

>>14755060
>there's people making 1k a month that don't have 1600 active subs or even half that
because these people exist doesn't mean it's a realistic goal for you. https://twitch.fckdmca.com/ the top 10,000 streamers on twitch with #10,000 making $23,500 should be a wake up call to you. are you good enough that you think you can make it to the top #20,000 streamers on twitch to even make that $1k a month?

>>14755004
I don't see why you can't have both. Make friends naturally with people who you naturally connect with. I've got chuuba friends 10 times my size that don't just magically disappear because they have viewers, I feel like you're just speaking out of what you're assuming happens and not reality.

Approaching everything as if it's a business transaction is the way to sour the relationships, because then you end up with zero real ones. You really don't think any of these big chuubas have friends who they just interact with because they like them? Are you intentionally giving bad advice or something?

>>14755224
>I don't see why you can't have both.
because the vast majority of chuubas aren't in it to make it. it's all hobbyists or crabs in a bucket mentality. they will try to drag you down and keep you down.

>>14754485
Currently a streamer hovering 600 ish monthly subs with little to no donos
And im getting anywhere from 1000-1500 per month

>>14755188
Makes sense now that you say it, thanks for the reality check

>>14755188
you can have goals like that and an ultimate financial goal as well. all of your posts are basically

>if you want to make money streaming you're a retard

>>14755289
>they will try to drag you down and keep you down.
Please ignore this paranoia. No one is trying to drag you down and no one gives a fuck about you enough to do so. There's plenty of people doing both, myself and friends included.

>>14755664
>No one is trying to drag you down
you only think this way because you're surrounded by NGMIs who are confident you're just one of them

>>14755713
Except I'm not, I'm surrounded by people with viewerships from 8 to 800. Do you really think people at the top only ever interact with other people at the top 100% of the time? I'm not even an artist or a creator of anything outside of my own streams, and I peak at maybe 30 viewers on the best of days. Larger content creators can be friends with smaller ones.

Be honest, who hurt you?

>>14755316
I guess it depends if you have whales or not. Hell, they don't need to be whales, just dolphins will do.

But a streamer I was watching earlier today got a $75 and a $100 dono within the one stream

>>14755477
Having a 20CCV is fine to work towards, but young me would hate me you would benefit greatly from either SMART targets, or KPIs.
You want a larger audience. How will you get them? How will you measure your success along these steps?
1 - Getting them - raise interactions.
1a - I will post more on twitter.
1ai - I will aim for 500 interactions on twitter per day, 5+ days a week
1aii - I will comment on other people's tweets, not just spam my own
1b - I will post clips
1bi - I need more clips to post
1bii - I will clip two moments from every stream
1biii - I will read joke books/do improv classes, so I can have a funny moment in my stream

I hate having to break this down like this, because I want to stream as a hobby, not bring work into it, but if you want to grow and 'make it', then you can't just stream and hope for the best.

>>14755576
>all of your posts
?
My last post in /asp/ was more than 25 hours ago anon.

>>14755289
I'm just a viewer that reads these threads, but I really believe that if you expect the worst out of people that you will get the worst from them. You could stand to have a little more faith in other people, I think.

>>14755713
Oh, so you're just an asshole. Nevermind

can confirm the money thing is unrealistic. back when i had 15 viewers i could easily make 300 a month while people twice my size barely hit their payout threshhold. its all really just luck what kind of donators you attract

>viewer gets uppity again acting like they know anything about growing as a chuuba

still waiting for my artist to finish my model. they gave me end of november as an estimate but they still aren't ready

>>14756016
spoken like a little assblasted defeatist nerd

>>14756016
Except I'm still the other person calling you out on your bullshit and I'm a chuuba. Not everyone is out to get you, you're either paranoid or had a bad situation.

>>14756016
you type like the same guy who said that they didn't stream but asked for a lot of advice and your comments on people giving that advice is also the same
do you actually stream or are you a tba
>>14755922
i'm pretty sure that anon exists to be contrarian to whatever advice is being given and will switch their stance as it fits the thread

>>14756116
>and I'm a chuuba.
which ngmi 2view male are you?

>>14755888
I get your point, when i said "thanks for the reality check" i meant it more as a "just realized i should work on things on my control thanks to you" not as a "wow, your post made me give up all hope", also, nice trips

I want to be a cute girl chuuba so badly. It takes so long to voice train to sound like a girl. It's so depressing.

>>14756485
Happy to help! I wish someone had told me at the beginning, because I set all my goals on that kind of thing, and didn't work on things I should have done.
It's partly to blame for WIDMI(yet)

>>14756278
Posted my stats last thread and no one cares for actual proof. They just want to throw out the 2view thing and hope it sticks, otherwise they shut up when proven wrong.

>>14756606
Don't do it, babinikus are a big debuff, if you're actually trans, i'd highly recommend not pandering /here/, you could have a chance if you're a femboy tho

>>14756727
if you really want to prove it you could do a banana on twitter but i don't see why you'd do that for some schizo who will then get more assblasted saying that the big bad partner is bullying them lmao

>>14756787
How would it be a debuff if my avatar is a girl and I sound like one? No one would know

>>14756606
I'd give up on trying to sound like a cute girl, most headvoice trans people just sound like sultry sexed up whores, not uwu cute waifus.

>>14756875
Everyone would know. Everyone always knows. Only the best manage to pull off a convincing female voice. People might not bring it up because they assume you're trans and are being polite (like they did when I was a babi still), but they'll still know you're biologically male.

>>14756967
I've heard artemis of the blue is trans and she seems to be doing fine. I don't mind if I sound 95% like a girl but something seems a little off.

Do MrBeast style "I counted to 100k" videos still get noticed by YouTube algo? Thinking of streaming something ridiculous but if it's not gonna work I'd rather stop before it starts.

>>14757134
Artemis is doing well but she literally had the most perfect of perfect storms and massive connections with tons of popular artists, on top of one of the most popular designs from an indie. I'm willing to bet you won't an don't have any of those things. The circumstances between Artemis' success from relative no one to big chuuba has so many different things you'd never be able to replicate behind it.

>>14757621
I don't need to be as successful as artemis to enjoy streaming. I just need to not sound like a man. Don't know why everyone is trying to invalidate every thing I say.

https://twitter.com/EliraPendora/status/1471634080806719490
nijimales were already selected well over a month ago

>>14758032
I wonder if at least one nijimale is /here/

can you read books on streams? or does it count as copyright material

>>14758241
There's zero chance unless you mean maybe they clicked on 4chan at some point in the last 10 years

>>14758375
what makes you say that?

>>14757134
Artemis was in the right place at the right time
It couldve been anyone else with very little meme potential
nowadays they just ride on the fact that they have a lot of followers but most of them dont even know why they watch

>>14755289
>>14755713
if you treat people like none of them are real and theyre all trying to drag you down, maybe thats why its no surprise you dont have any genuine friends and the very concept seems nonsensical to you. your dickish attitude comes across loud and clear in every post you make and makes it outstandingly obvious why no one can stand to be around you and you cant meet anyone who isnt trying to use you. this is an intervention, anon. you dont have to be this miserable. seek therapy

>>14759279
This. I was at Artemis' debut and let down heavily when he turned out to be boring as shit. I'll never forget how disappointed he sounded as soon as he spoke and the number viewers dropped by almost at thousand. He's still doing great, but mostly just riding off previous success, which is still successful if we're being real here.

>>14759323
>you dont have any genuine friends
THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN MAKING IT!! YAAAAS QUEEN PREACH IT!

>>14758374
technically it's illegal but unlike movies or music it won't get autoremoved

>>14759394
yknow, maybe its actually too late for you. but i would be undermining my point if i told you to kill yourself. so i wont do that.

how loud should my game sound be and around where should my mic be?

record some videos and see which is the most watchable, go into other streams and see which audio to game ratio you enjoy the most. Typically your mic should be fairly close to your face

>>14759394
You are a sad little man.

>>14759371
They could be a lot bigger but i feel like they dropped the ball...but like you said they ARE still successful. It just feels like they aren't taking it seriously which other people might take the wrong way.

>>14759536
Ask your viewers to help you with the balance live, it depends on the game

>>14696471
very new loli chuuba here
whats the best way to target my audience while avoiding cancel culture on twitter?

>>14759583
Not him but I was actually about to ask something similar, how do I position my mic so that it's directly in front of my mouth and still have the camera positioned to capture my whole face?

>>14759824
this question is literally every thread AND has been asked in this very thread anon.

>>14759824
>while avoiding cancel culture on twitter?
cancel culture isn't a real thing and you can safely ignore anyone who tries to tweet at you about it.

>>14759824
don't acknowledge anyone who tweets at you negatively. there. you beat cancel culture. do whatever you want

now we're officially in the audition drought. /asp/ies who want to make it better make the most of this time until the next wave of auditions open up. that is assuming any more are planned.

>>14761445
they wont, they never do

>>14761445
Will do.

>>14761602
Ligma.

>>14761445
>better make the most of this time
What does this mean in terms of practice actions I can take? Do I just start streaming right now and hope for the best?

>>14756655
You're welcome anon!

>>14761445
I wonder if I shouldn't graduate to pngtuber before going full L2D in case stuff opens up earlier than expected, kinda trying to roadmap this coming year out, I know this kinda trepidation is a killer for creativity and success though. People seem to enjoy my stuff as just a voice in space, but singing without a visual singer kinda sucks

>>14761922
>singing without a visual singer kinda sucks
Bloom started out as a png of a clip art singer. Nothing's stopping you, anon. Go for it.

>>14761445
Auditions are on february, right? We are gonna have a rough month and a half

>>14759394
You seriously need to get out of 4chan and form a real personality besides the bitter one that this site makes you put. I can easily tell that you are a really sad, lonely person. Genuinely get therapy.

>>14761711
Are you an experienced content creator with any proof whatsoever of your abilities? No? Why would any org want you? Focus on that first. Think realistically, what do you bring to the table and how do you prove you bring that?

>>14762069
JUST GOTTA BELIEVE IN THE HEART OF THE CARDS AND OUT OF FRIENDSHIP AND WE CAN OVERCOME EVERY CHALLENGE, EVEN OBJECTIVE TRUTH AND FACTS!!

>>14762121
Nothing that you said is objective truth or fact. Big chuubas can have friends, it's not all business shit. Not everyone is out to get you.

>>14762215
>Big chuubas can have friends
which /asp/ie is a big chuuba? they're all small ngmis trying to make it and sabotaging each other with shitty advice repeated from viewers like collabing to grow which doesn't work.

>>14762369
No one is doing that and not everyone here is small or ngmi. some 200-something viewer was posting here just last thread and people have posted numbers before.

you also dont need to be a big chuuba to make the claim. im friend with people significantly bigger than me who have nothing to gain from my presence yet still interact with me publicly and privately.

Do you seriously think big chuubas just sit in their high castles and ignore every single interaction from anyone smaller?

>>14762121
You are the definition of a NGMI.

>>14761445
Auditions?

>>14762502
>some 200-something viewer was posting here just last thread and people have posted numbers before.
What's the point when nothing comes from it? I saw that 200+ viewer chuuba post. And then nothing came from it other than "entertainment is weird, you're not going to get more than generic advice".

>>14762369
Lumi and Menace from Cyberlive were both /here/chuubas, one from /asp/ and one from /wvt/ and you still can see them publically interacting with smaller /here/chuubas
you don't even stream or make content you just bitch in this thread anytime anyone says anything you are literally the biggest ngmi

>>14759418
Cool!. I found the perfect series of books to practice my English.

>>14759279
>>14759371
I'm a lot less boring that Artemis though

>>14761711
Start streaming, build up your skills, and have something real you can point to when auditions come back around. I started not long before the NijiEN male auditions, and when I applied, I think I only had 25 followers or something. Now I have over 400, and have been steadily growing in followers and CCV average. If there are male corporate auditions in the future, I'll feel a lot more confident applying because I have a portfolio I can point to, and have built up streaming skills and am much more comfortable as an entertainer now than I was then.

So yes, start streaming and see if you enjoy it.

>>14763752
doesn't matter. no one can recreate what Artemis did. right place, right time, right resources gave her a huge enough of a buff she's sitting at 300k+ followers on twitter and averages 550-600 viewers doing nothing but playing minesweeper in silence. holo en bump was huge for chuubas that happened to catch a ride with it. same with Uto riding hololive Ame wave.

>>14763752
What do people even see in him?

>>14762834
That's not the only thing that I said. I said that the "generic advice" is all you can really give when it comes to certain things. I can tell you to get nice sounding audio, make sure your stream layout is visually pleasing, etc but all of that should be common sense and if it isn't then why are you even here without having done the bare minimum research on your own.

When it comes down to it, your personality is at the forefront of your content. That's not something you can just teach in a short amount of time since it's been molded your entire life (mainly in your youth) and not something that easily changes. There's streamers who literally do NOTHING but react, and people love it because it puts their personality on display. Certain games help. A nice model can help. A good voice can help. Spreading your content can help. In the end, what determines if you succeed or not is your personality, which isn't something anyone can really give advice on how to "fix" or "change" aside from maybe an acting coach teaching you how to fake it .

>>14763895
I'm not trying to recreate artemis I just want some people to watch me lol

>>14764065
>I just want some people to watch me lol
then start streaming and shill yourself in whatever game subreddit you're playing. there you go.

>>14763752
So are a lot of people, who cares? You don't have the connections. You don't have a bunch of popular artists and riggers at your disposal. You don't have the massive wave of Hololive's first wave and the massive boom in chuuba interest or viral tweets on top of that to help you.

You aren't Artemis, and you aren't in the same position as they were either.

>>14764127
I can't cause I'm voice training rip

>>14764806
Then why are you here? The odds of you reaching anywhere near passable in less than a year's time are negligible, odds are it'll take longer than that.

>>14764949
Because I'm an aspiring vtuber and I usually lurk but just felt making a post to whine. I didn't think it was a big deal.

So its basically confirmed that corpos want someone that can sing , right?

>>14765508
No

I have my first real stream tomorrow with my new model all ready to go. Equal parts nervous and excited. Really hoping that picking a game I've never played before was a good idea, if not it's going to be like 3 hours of the most boring shit on the planet.

>>14765645
What game did you pick?

>>14765508
I dunno, but you should learn proper vocal production if you wanna stream anyways, it'll quintuple your vocal endurance and probably make you sound a lot more pleasant. From there, singing is just ear training and practicing delivery. I can give you some real quick videos if you wanna learn about it

>>14767096
Those videos would be great, please!

Also unrelated question but is it better to separate your art account and your Vtuber account or just use one for both purposes?

>>14708970
God youre so fucking cute

>>14769059
https://youtu.be/AjG1QrlWnac - this is for finding out what your voice really sounds like, since most people have bad voice habits; you wanna speak in the "true mask" and minimize throat action because those are muscles which will get tired, same advice as he gives singers here. Not to mention if you wanna do long streams you can damage your voice with too much action in the neck.
https://youtu.be/EUXbqHN6C60 - this ones more singing specific, gets more in depth about maintenance of the voice but the tips apply to speaking as well (try not to up-bow, leave the throat out of it). One thing he doesn't mention about the tissue exercise is that you'll blow the tissue a bit just with certain phonemes. If the tissue doesn't move during production of vowel sounds you're (probably) not leaking air.
His entire channel is a goldmine, that series of numbered lectures that the last video is part of is probably the best primer to singing you'll find anywhere on the internet or anywhere outside music academies. I really think good singing and good speaking go hand in hand, so I can't recommend this stuff enough. Also, I wouldn't worry about keeping accouts separated, especially if you plan on making live art content.

>>14770736
Thank you so much!

how do chuubas handle deleting their social media when you go corpo? do you lie to the people in discord and just say you're graduating? you're probably not allowed to tell them that you accepted a corpo position because discord screencaps can be saved and leaked.

I really do not understand how people get new followers, it's been my roadblock for reaching affiliate for almost 2 months. Do most small chuubas just get the first boost through Twitter or by dropping their link on one of the wvts?
Please explain like you are talking to a mega autist.

>>14771094
You don't have to necessarily delete your socials. If it were me I would probably just say I'm going on an indefinite hiatus, like "I'm going off on an adventure, maybe I'll see you all again someday!" That gives you the opportunity to always come back if things don't work out with the corporation.

>>14771438
Link your stuff. I'd be happy to follow!

>>14771438
most small chuubas just hit go live and stream to 0 viewers for months. then they celebrate affiliate as if it's an accomplishment 8 months down the line. if you want viewers, market yourself.

funny memes, voice clips, fujobait, yuribait, post relateable chuuba shit and keep a regular schedule so someone can find you. going live is the worst way to get new followers.

>>14771499
https://www.twitch.tv/variablegoo
>>14771529
I wish I could predict when I will have 3+ unmolested hours so I could schedule better. I'm thinking about just making a general schedule on my barren twitter of what times I could potentially go live. I feel so artificial on Twitter I hate it, but maybe I could throw up a few of the shitty image edits or bits I've saved more often.
I struggle with interacting with people on it.

>>14771954
>I wish I could predict when I will have 3+ unmolested hours so I could schedule better.
if you want to make it, you make the time. you schedule shit around your streams.

>>14771954
what the fuck are these games you're playing? are you trying to be the "i'm not like other streamers" quirky chuuba playing debuff games no one has heard of?

>>14771954
>>14772500
I have to agree you're playing really obscure games, but that is completely your choice. Another thing is at least in the VOD that I took a look at your png model is super small. You're the star of the show, the mechs on your overlay shouldn't be taking up more room then you do. I did find some of your bits funny though, keep doing what you're doing!