/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>14603814
wtf you said nijiEN was 2view tier why did you lie to me /vt/?

>>14603814
Go back make a better bait please.

>kiara with kusoge
>Iroha views are actually surprisingly low
VS
>A nijiEN collab

1. School
2. People are finding out there's better stuff to watch, so Cover's Ivory Tower approach is starting to backfire

>>14603865
Did you check the rest of the group? Nina and Reimu can't break 1k collabing with Selen.

My wife on the left

Why doesn’t Cover just hire Selen away from Niji?

only kiara

>>14603954
>A nijiEN collab
That has 3 separated povs
That's also a kusoge
>Iroha views are actually surprisingly low
Because she just started. That's either a bait or just not intended.

>>14603965
>collabing with Selen.
That's the problem

>>14604050
During the super char reading, really makes you think...

>>14604119
Not really. The problem with a debuff game. Selen gets good views on it because she's a Selen. Reimu and Nina are not Selen, hence the shitty CCV for them. If they would play a normal or buff game, each would get a good CCV.

>>14603954
In NijiENs defense nobody wants to watch a stream with Nina in it

>>14604050
YOLK

>Nijinigger and lying
Name more iconic duo

It's got to be a SEA holiday today

>>14603954
>Iroha views are actually surprisingly low
1:32
look at the timer mate

>>14603814
Why is Hololive reclining
>>14590753
>>14590753
>>14590753
Bros... How do we stop the recline???

hmm..

>>14603814
>1 minute
Iroha is at 10.5k
I think Selen only got that high on her debut.

Kiara getting only 3.8k on that ORI stream isn't great though.

>>14603965
Whataboutism.

>>14603814
imagine using Iroha as a bait RUMAO
get better retard

>>14603814
Oh look, it's this anon posting bullshit again.

Why are Nijichads so desperate? Just enjoy your favorite chuubas

Here is all the 10k+ Streams yesterday.
Here it goes
>99,034: Ayame (Hololive)
>48,382: Kiara (Hololive)
>44,086: Subaru (Hololive)
>42,741: Gura (Hololive)
>39,535: Fubuki (Hololive)
>35,265: Miko (Hololive)
>25,847: Iroha (Hololive)
>24,095: Calli (Hololive)
>23,500: Marine (Hololive)
>22,673: Laplus (Hololive)
>21,775: Hayato Kagami (Nijisanji)
>21,507: Chloe (Hololive)
>19,069: Fubuki (Hololive)
>17,789: Okayu (Hololive)
>16,038: Lize (Nijisanji)
>15,352: Yashiro (Nijisanji)
>14,798: Lamy (Hololive)
>14,395: Sasaki (Nijisanji)
>14,099: Laplus (Hololive)
>13,528: Nagao (Nijisanji)
>13,118: Mio (Hololive)
>13,057: Noel (Hololive)
>12,170: Kanata (Hololive)
>11,411: Flare (Hololive)
>10,996: Rushia (Hololive)
>10,830: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>10,270: Kanata (Hololive)

>>14604865
anon stop
please

>>14603814
Is there any way to stop Hololive's recline?
>>14598755
>>14598755
>>14598755
Bros...

>>14604624
holobronies and copium

Here is the weekly SCs.

>Thanks to list/chart/graph anon for alwyas taking a track on these

>>14603814
>Literally most disliked member of Hololive still competes with the best NijiEN has to offer.
kek

>>14589807
>>14590825
Bros... Hololive is literally starving...

>>14604865
Lol outfit reveals. Kiara can't break 10K without an occasion anymore. So, should vt just drop EN Vtubers because NOOMBERS? Fuck no, get back to your containment and OP too.

>>14592779
>>14592779
>>14592779
Literally how do we save them, theyre starving...

>>14604624
I recall some anon (probably the same one) trying to lie how Mumei only had 600 viewers in comparison. Nijishitters are the worst.

>>14604865
>>25,847: Iroha (Hololive)
>>22,673: Laplus (Hololive)
>>21,507: Chloe (Hololive)
Chloebros??

>>14604924
NIJICOPE LIST
>building a sub-culture
>slow and steady growth
>merch sales
>no longer showing off their achievements on their page because they have shown more humility
> percentages
>ratio
>tournaments don't count
>fortune telling
>volume
>averages
>total CCV during primetime
>trailers are ads
>Google trends
>Holo EN was a desperate gambit
>Holo's forcibly acquired audience vs Niji's natural growth
>stop picking on midgets! fight someone your own size!
>pit Vshojo against HoloEN when you're losing
>pit HoloEN against HoloJP when you're losing
>pit former Holo against HoloJP when you're losing
>Holobubble is bursting
>foreign buff/global audience bad, muh local Nips good
>YouTube Japan trends
>Apex will only get more popular from now on!
>flexible creative freedom
>Holo's restrictive management will cause them to eventually graduate
>Cover uses bots
>Hal is honorary Niji
>Kson is honorary Niji
>Ui is honorary Niji
>Most vtubers are Nijisanji like and Nijisanji is part of greater vtuber community
>Nijisanji fans are more passionate about their livers and will leave dislikes to show their engagement
>Sponsorships are retarded
>Hololive's merch and sponsorship bad because companies underestimated them which means that they don't care about the cheap collab
>Koshien is not an event
>Nijisanji is solidifying their other markets while keeping their strong home market
>pre-recorded lives are technically premiers and shouldn't count
>Cover is just lucky to have clippers and algorithm on their side
>Hololive invented unicorns
>watchalongs are POVs
>Nijisanji isn't a corporation, it's a family
>each Twitch viewer is equivalent to about 1.5 Youtube viewers because Selen flopped her first Twitch stream and Selen never flops
>by promoting the main channel they create more general Nijisanji fans which will then trickle down to the smaller livers down the line
>subs to growth ratio
>subs to SC ratio
>*insert delusion about Selen here*
>VOD views don't count
>everything that brings a big audience is a special event
>Niji is mainstream in JP, which is more important than Hololive's international dominance
>Holo's main channel kneels to Niji main channel
>gen 3 should be left alone so Nijis can be properly compared to Holos
>Square Enix doesn't count
>combined peak CCV
>quality numbers
>dead cat bounce
>Holo merch sells out quick only because of scalpers
>Hololive is only popular because of chink clippers
>68% of the top 50 vtubers is bad
>Rightful sovereignty
>Ichikara has morals
>bug in the algorithm
>DLC is a gimmick

Bros...
>>14604254
>>14604254
>>14604254
I really cant believe Hololive's reclining... How do we save them...

Here is Kuzuha the KING of Nijisanji and his EN wives.
I couldn't capture the other POVs but it's an embarassing sub1k as usual

>>14605279
So this is the power of playing anything other than apex
Why dont they just rename to AnyApex

>>14604865
Where's Kiara?

>>14605340
Anon...

>>14605174
That’s a lot of cope. How will Nijiniggies ever recover?

>>14605279
is kuzuha reclining?

>>14604269
This.

>>14603925
hon hon degozaru

>>14604269
correct
skipped todays stream for that exact reason

Sometimes I feel bad for the anons that actually want to try and discuss numbers and trends in vtubing since they get invaded by the retards in this place and they end up catching the blame for threads like this one.

>>14605539
numberfags are retarded

>>14604269
This the only shit worth watching that involves her is when Pomu calls her a dirty skank

>>14604700
kek

>>14605560
>Nijiniggers hate /#/ cause they speak hard cold facts

>>14603865
Its literally only Selen. She has a really high active sub engagement ratio

>>14605560
Even numberfags don't like tribalfagging, but when the number of shitposters that use your thread for ammo outnumber the amount of legit users there's nothing you can do.

>>14604961
I think these numberfag baits are retarded but come on dude. 1.4 million subs vs. 200K and the smaller one, who has a collab divided by 3 POVs, is still only 900 viewers short.

>>14605606
only they don't? They just angle it to a side where they win. Literally none of subs, viewers, ccvs, superchats, etc matter unless holo is winning at it

>>14605647
>7 hours, 44 minutes
>part 4

>>14605539
>discuss numbers and trends in vtubing
If they are any numberfags lurking in this thread, what is there even to discuss about numbers? If you were tracking the growth of small girls and trying to find patterns then I'd get it, but every time I look into the thread they're just talking about Hololive, Nijisanji or occasionally Hal/Patra. What's the point of the threads? I'm genuinely asking.

>>14604946
2view don't look

>>14605647
anon, you're going to get 6 responses from a numberfag who's TOTALLY not mad telling you why you're wrong. He'll have all these cute little charts and graphs that he spends time working on to prove you wrong. Is this really what you want anon?!

>>14605806
the numberfag thread is just a thinly veiled non-holo anti thread. They just want to trash any non-holo vtuber. Go ahead and try to bring up any indie with ridiculous 3 month growth there

>>14603814
Selen really is smart by acting like a loud retard. Kids love to watch that shit.

>>14603814
>Why is Hololive reclining
what did schizo mean?

>>14603814
Kiara and Iroha both completely mogged Selen today. Your lies don't work here.

>>14605890
If that's really how it is then it sounds worse than I thought.

>>14605903
t.kid

>>14605174
>The holofag defense.
Shit I cannot deal with Nijifags. Now I build a response to everything here.
>Building a sub-culture.
Why don't you refute this? Nijisanji EN has a different culture to Hololive
>Slow and steady growth.
Has Nijisanji EN bleed subs? No, they are growing and you cannot deny that.
>Merch sells.
Holofags use merch arguments as well.
>Achivements
Who the fuck is advertising their subscriber counts in their channel's about page. I haven't seen any chuuba do this.
>Percentages
If percentages didn't matter, sites capturing data wouldn't include them.
>Ratio
Ditto
>Tournaments don't count
This is probably in reference to a tournament where there were PoVs so some viewers would get funneled to fewer channels.
>Fortune telling
Something probably lost to time that the holofags pasta poster doesn't even remember.
>Volume
>Averages
Ditto, ditto
>CCV primetime.
Again these numbers matter, except when they support Holobronies viewpoint.
>Trailers are ads
They are if they have been used in ad placements.
>Google Trends
Again only invalid until Hololive succeeds.
>Holo EN was a desperate gambit
Whoever argued this was probably falseflagging.
>Holo's forcible acquired audience.
Reasonable because after debut Holo talent's average fall through the floor to their actual viewers.
>Stop picking on midgets.
Yeah Holobronies should learn some humility but numberfags don't have emotional intelligence.
>Pit Vshojo against HoloEN when you're losing.
Valid
>Pit HoloEN against HoloJP when you're losing.
Again valid by numberfags own rules.
>Pit former Holo against HoloJP when you're losing.
This hyper fixation is seeming also schziophernic at this point. Who is hurting the poor numberfag?
>Holobubble is bursting
It probably hemorrhage if a talent like Marine or Pekora leaves.
>Foreign buff
Most foreigners won't give money to Japanese Vtubers. There is data for this.
>YouTube Japan trends.
Twitter trends do tend to bring up that there is organic interest in a topic.
>Apex will only get more popular from now on.
Again disowned.
>Flexible creative freedom
Well you haven't argued against it and Millie's birthday just revealed how free Nijisanji EN is vs Hololive.
>Holo management
If they shoved out Kson they probably will eventually push some others.
>Cover uses bots
Has this been disproven? Sub purges indicate something is going on.
>Hal, Kson, Ui is are honorary Nijis.
Unless they say otherwise.
>Most Vtubers are Nijisanji like
True
>Nijisanji fans are more passionate.
Dislikes have been removed so this is moot.
>Sponsorships are retarded
Well they are.

>he actually added to the cope
Ror rumao

>>14605806
>Open number thread
>Only a few posts in and there's already tribalfagging
Nice thread lmao

Stop creating tribalfags.
Just enjoy
Faggot

>>14605890
Nousagis, chumbuds and dragoons really are the scum of the board.

>>14606255
Vtubing is boring by itself.

>>14606363
Correction, Hololive is boring so people have to do other shit like numberfag and tribalfag just to have fun. Whereas people in the other threads are having fun watching content they enjoy.

holobrony hate thread?

>>14606162
Cont.
>Hololive is underestimated.
Well they are. Pretty much anyone can get a sponsorship for every video if dig through their inbox. Too bad Holo's don't get the opportunity.
>Koshien is not an event.
Don't know what this is so mulligan.
>Nijisanji is solidifying their other markets
Well they would if the algorithm would actually recommend them.
>Pre-recorded lives are premiers.
Technicality that numberfags cannot clarify.
>Cover is lucky to have clippers
They are, if they burned the chink bridge too early they would've been lost.
>Hololive invented unicorns.
No, though the culture has certain made the unicorns worse.
>Watchalongs are PoVs.
Are they?
>Nijisanji isn't a corporation it's a family.
Well Anycolor's branches are more autonomous.
>Each Twitch viewer is about 1.5 YouTube viwers.
Well we all know that Holofags are literal so their viewers live or video views may as be 3/5th their total amount.
>Subs to growth ratio
>Subs to SC ratio
These are both because several Holos have literally plateaued.
>VoD views don't count.
Check 3/5th rule.
>Everything that brings a big audience is a special event.
Well Holo streams are rarer than Niji streams so it is just event when one gets off of their lazy ass.
>Niji is mainstream in JP, more nonsense.
Council flopped.
>Holo's main channel.
Nijisanji's channel does have some crazier content.
>Gen 3 Niji's
They have their own audience because all Niji's don't get a free spot in the algo.
>Square Enix doesn't count.
They are a shit company.
>Combined peak CCV
A number that does matter for totaling the audience.
>Quality numbers
I defer this to Hololive's shitty live chat.
>Holo merch sells out quickly scalpers.
Has this been disproven?
>Hololive is only popular because of clippers.
Well they certainly benefited from them until they burned the bridge.
>68% of the top vtubers is bad
Wasn't Nijisanji closer to 80%?
>More minor nitpicks.
mulligan

>>14606162
>Who the fuck is advertising their subscriber counts in their channel's about page. I haven't seen any chuuba do this.
anon self outing himself as a 2020 newfagchama

>>14606904
I am on desktop. Unless I click on the about tab on a channel I won't see this. Blame YouTube from changing from the 2008 out layout when bragging about your subscriber milestones mattered.

NIJIKEKS SC YOUR LIVERS!!!!

I CANT BELIEVE HOLOLIVE'S RECLINING SO HARD BROS
>>14607185
>>14607185
>>14607185
PLEASE SAGE HOLOLIVE IM BEGGING YOU

>>14606162
Thanks for autistic level of dedication. I'll be taking this post for personal use to put holokeks on their place.

>>14604729
nice shoop

>>14605174
holobronies call us the obsessed ones and then make shit like this.

NIJIBRO??????

>>14604269
Nina is literally the only NijiEn3 worth watching, you guys really need better bait

>>14603954
>kusoge

>>14606162
>>14606877
>n-no you
pathetic...

>>14606162
>Reasonable because after debut Holo talent's average fall through the floor to their actual viewers.
Yeah, Edengumi didn't fall at all

I dunno you guys. I switched to Nijisanji and I'm genuinely enjoying it more. I think you guys are really missing out. That's just my opinion.

>>14603814
Kiara and the new girl that just started streaming VS Selen is just unfair. That's like having a holostar against Ayame.

Is it really this easy to farm yous?

>>14610114
True, comparing NijiEN to Holos is just silly

>>14609835
Thank you for the commentary on the absolute state of numberfags.They are tribal rats with the thinnest veneer of justification.

>getting btfoed
>i-is this really easy to farm (you)s

>>14610493
I just got here bro.

>>14603814
Stay in your containment thread

Yea, 3 streams are representing the entire state of hololive, what a fucking take, please teach me how to come up with such idiocy

>>14611988
>>14612223
Cope

>>14603865
Not 2-view but they're locked between 800-2000 except Selen who can reach 3k with Apex.

That's a lot of holocope ITT

>>14605174
>>14606162
>>14606877
have sex

>>14603965
>>14605612
>>14612444
This sounds like fucking denial. The other girls don't even have a fifth of the subscribers, but they definitely got more than a fifth of the viewers. Selen has less than 300k and she's mogging HL? You guys are hard reclining. Dead fucking subs. Say it like it is.

>>14612223
how do people like you even last 2 seconds on the internet

>>14612775
Damn, bro. Why does these corpo vtubers have so many dead subs? I thought NijiEN was supposed to change the playing field.

>>14605570
holy based

>>14612775
dumb bait posting

>14612775
Ratio nigger back to /#/ bro

>>14613815
>>14613250
And there's still people in denial. Face it. We have the quality, you have the quantity. Let's keep it that way. I don't need any of you mouth-breathers capping up my oshi's stream.

>>14613868
Cry more

>>14604269
I Don't hate Nina, but her mommy shtick is forced as fuck, Honey is basically her equivalent of Peko or nanodesu

>>14609707
Millie

>>14612775
>>14613250

>>14613931
People like you are just holo watchers or people that don't even watch streams that use them for bait and end up making the dimwits here legitimately dislike Niji EN without even giving them a chance.

Having loyalty to any company is cucked. You should watch whatever you want regardless of the company. I watch vtubers with 20k views, and vtubers with 20 views. Makes no difference to me. Whatever I feel like watching at the moment.

Getting super tribal about a particular company is really pathetic, and you're the only one who loses.

>>14614110
Don't just shitpost on /vt/. Give the other boards a chance, anon. Why do you hate the other boards without even giving them a chance?

>>14605174
What a through list of cope. Cheers anon, I'm a Vnigger and I approve your message. Thank you for your service.

>>14614110
The dimwits here already disliked them before I came, silly anon. HoloFags are a hive mind. They don't branch out to explore and they're proud of that. Their threads are always painful to look at.

I do watch streams. I just don't give a shit if i dissuade an obnoxious potential fanbase from watching them. Our chats are cozy as is.

I honestly think that holoen can't grow further than this, everybody knows hololive before knowing the word vtuber. Nijisanji is still relatively unknown to most vtubers fans, the nijien girls can still grow a lot in the future imho. Jp wise Holos are compeletly killing it and I see no way that nijis can revert this tho.

Vtubers don't play awful boring stream games that don't generate entertaining content for multiple streams challenge. Impossible for Kiara.

>>14614308
Pfffft

>>14604924
Well, holo will still try to do collabs holo JP + niji JP, because they want to leech on niji JP's greater popularity. On the other side, I'm on 99.9% sure that we will never see Holo EN (or even Holo JP) collab with Niji EN, because, you know, Hololive, unlike Nijisanji, is too greedy for their popularity and won't share with second biggest agency. The only way for these collabs to happen is if somehow Niji EN will grow bigger or at least comparable to Holo En.
Total popularity means total profit.
JP and West audience separately. Niji JP popularity is greater than Holo JP. In fact, Niji JP popularity is greater than Holo West. The only way Holo beats Niji is Holo JP + Holo West and that's because of Niji's weak ass West popularity (for now at least).
And a couple of words about presence in business world. It's obvious that you are talking off your ass. Holo's business world and circle of contacts is pathetic, compared to Niji. Just take their investors as an example. Cover is getting invested only from a companies, who specialize on investing in a start ups, which really shows that business world sees Holo only as a tiny ass startup. On the other side, huge companies like Sony Music are investing in Nijisani
In addition they don't have a youtube algorithm and anitubers on their side.
Niji fans buy merch and voice packs every month on top of giving SCs for big events, meanwhile Noel can't even sell out her merch. All of the new nijis earned more from their monetization stream than any holos too
Btw, most Nijis can beat holos these days in both viewers and superchats.
They also sell more merch and get more sponsorships thanks to China
Nijisanji has WAY more freedom than Hololive.
>Can play more games
>More sponsors
>Can sing more songs
>3D events not limited to idolshit
>Doesn't force their talents to take singing and dancing lessons
Also, the best part is that currently Nijis earn as much if not more than Holos these days

>>14614262
Boasting about how your favorite vtubers are "inclining" while diligently working to ensure they stay at 800-1500 viewer average. Too big brain for me to comprehend.

>>14614308
The future is now. Been here since May and they ain't growing. They're adding another 3-4 guys on Wednesday too.

>>14614490
When did I say they were "inclining"? At what point? I said HL is reclining. This isn't the same thing. Why do HoloFags have the IQ of an egg dropped on the side of the road?
I can't be in this thread anymore. I'm going back to watching my oshi.

>>14605904
Lurk more, newnigger.

>>14609287
it accumulated slowly overtime, as more and more obsessive nijinigs coped day in and day out

>>14610493
It's extremely easy to farm (you)s in the numberfag thread. They're extremely insecure.

>>14615589
The secret to the number thread is it's like 3 people cyclically baiting each other and everyone else ignoring them. You have to say something that seems both sincere and also stupid to get a genuine reaction from anyone.

>>14615866
If you look at the state of this thread you'll see that this is an obvious lie. You fags are the cancer of this board and need be purged.

>>14615866
Go back to your containment thread then. Fuck off from the rest of the board.

>>14606162
>>14606877
Nothing says it isn't so it's true. Nothing says it is either, but I will ignore it, the post.

>>14614417

>>14604269
so you are telling me that the successful one from wave 3 is the one no one wants to watch? sounds like cope.

>>14615866
Outright lies also works too, they'll provide you(s) + some graphs

>>14604924
lmao nijifags don't even know what the buzzwords mean
pray tell, what does the average Hololive fan have to "cope" about?

>>14603965
Reimu is a stereotypical loud mexican.

>>14609978
Post numbers otherwise fuck off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftMnmPC82qM

just drop vtubers entirely if this is all you care about

>>14620417
she's colombian and those are louder, I like when she cries though, kind fo cute

>>14621498
Wow the numbers are going up! I am amused and my life is fulfilled

>>14613250
Holy shit, this dude has 66% of his subs tuning into his stream, thats unheard
of. King of retention, the anti dead subs god! Nijisanji should try to recruit him, it will put these numberfagging Holobronies in their place!

The hololive obsession with numbers is absolutely insane.

They have a little monopoly for themselves, and their #1 priority is to prevent people from finding out about other vtubers they might enjoy more. Nijisanji fans are familiar with who the hololive girls are. But the reverse is not true at all. Hololive fans know almost nothing about nijisanji, or any of the other companies. That's because hololive has a "walled garden" policy, where they refuse collabs with other companies, and deliberately keep their own people in the dark about other companies. This has proven to be very effective, they have thousands of fans who literally don't know anything else.

This monopoly of theirs is enforced through numberfagging. The logic goes: you have lower numbers, that means your stream must be lower quality. Of course, this logic is absolutely retarded, and blatantly not true. As if Sana's pokemon stream comes anywhere near the entertainment value of Selen's $100k tournament.

The thing is, hololive streams are so boring, and so devoid of friendship, the only thing they have to talk about is numbers. So that's all they talk about. Thousands of threads, numbers numbers numbers. Even threads that have nothing to do with numbers inevitably become all about the numbers. Hololive fans are basically these toxic numberfags and tribalfags, acting like complete assholes in order to enforce their monopoly and prevent anyone from checking out other companies. The amount of hololive corporate shilling is unreal. Never seen anything quite like it.

My only advice is to not listen to these people. Check out some other streams once in a while. Often times the Nijisanjis are doing some really entertaining streams, that you're missing out on because of the walled garden. Pic related

>>14614417
Check these (Hololive Mogs them in SCs)
>>14607167
>>14604946

Not to mention all those sponsored streams while Niji get any.
Accept Reality.

>>14623744
This depends on the people that watches. I enjoy hololive and you do not. Simple as that.

Besides, OP started a discussion stating Hololive reclined and most of us here simply wanted to prove it wrong.

>>14623744
>Hey guys i just heard about Hololive can i get some clips
>Hololive
Here's a starting clip
>Nijisanji
>This is why I hate Hololive, Nijisanji is so much better, underrated (#2827287282847) , look at this clip they are so vulgar, they swear like streamers on twitch unlike Hololive
You tell me which is more attractive. i've only decided to give Hololive a try when Council announced their debut. And i'm not watching Nijisanji ever. bunch of Elitist scums.

>>14625197
>look at this clip they are so vulgar, they swear like streamers on twitch unlike Hololive
This is how I know you never watched Nijisanji. But not even just them, there's an entire world of smaller chuubas and companies out there who stream far better content and have better talents. I won't even mention whom I have in mind because you'll take it the wrong way.

Hololive is by no means special and they aren't that good.

>>14625484
>This is how I know you never watched Nijisanji.
Good job, now that takes us to point 1. Niji fans are insufferable Elitist scums, they can't even shi their chuuba without badmouthing Hololive
>there's an entire world of smaller chuubas and companies out there who stream far better content and have better talents.
people buy coke because its coke, people buy pepsi because its pepsi, different strokes for different strokes. Get it? Don't be insecure and let people enjoy their own lives.

>>14625722
>they can't even shi
they can't even shill
>different strokes for different strokes
different strokes for different folks.

>>14603814
niji en is unironically more like holo jp than holo en. i find holo en shitty at collabing and tee-teeing. niji en somehow has done well.

>>14606162
>>14606877
I thought it was a meme but here we have an actual nijinigger coping for every last thing on that list. Anon >>14605174 you have absolutely disintegrated my kneecaps.

>>14625484
I will agree with your last point, but it's not always about being better or worse. You're not picking someone to marry, you're turning the tv on. For example, lets say there's X hololive girl and Y indie. I may like the indie more, but she streams at a time where I can't watch live. Her audience is small, which means she might attract weird autists that demand her constant attention, making the stream experience worse but he pays assloads of money so she can't tell him to fuck off. Maybe she can only stream once or twice a week because she has a real job. Meanwhile, X starts streaming as soon as I get home from work almost every day and the chat is active enough that any weirdos get drowned out. It's noble to say you'll stick it out for the sake of the indie, but most people just want something easy and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

>>14625197
>And i'm not watching Nijisanji ever
why so based

>>14604624
Nijiniggers and seething

>>14604855
Nijiniggers are insecure and are constantly overflowing with envy about hololive, there is a reason all their sales pitches involve "and this is why hololive sucks"

>>14604865
Holy shit gura costume reveal got that low viewership? She used to be able to pull almost 200K what the fuck happened?

>>14627392
That is not her outfit reveal

>>14614223
No rational thoughts. Only numbers or GTFO!

Tribalfaggots and numberniggers need to collectively rope themselves.

>>14614642
Why weren't you watching her before? She was waiting for you anon.

>>14625780
how so?

Nijiniggers, do i need to remind you?

>>14603814
Selen is just a joy to watch. Brightens my day.

>>14613957
>mommy shtick
Nina breaking character and telling everyone to fuck off is what makes it funny.

>>14604946
I’m so proud of my boy Astel, he came a long way. I’m so glad Yagoo never gave up on Holostar

>>14604624
pink cat and hypocrisy

>>14604946
samurai??!! wtf i never thought she gonna be SC monster

Look on the bright side. HoloEN's high market saturation means that any new gen will result in a large amount of viewership/sc cannibalization. New NijiEN gens, on the other hand, will create new vectors to increase awareness of the brand and bring actual new viewers in. That's why you don't see the same cannibalization in NijiEN's numbers. They still have much more to gain from the already existing market while HoloEN needs to increase the overall size of the market itself in order to grow. Take solace in the fact that the HoloEN members have no choice but to fight one another for attention since the covid boom is over.

>>14603925
oui oui niggesieur

>>14629081
>debuff game vs karaoke
What am I supposed to see here?

>>14605174
Faggot keep this in the containment thread
I regret ever making this list for retards like you throwing it everywhere
>>14606162
>>14606877
And this faggot has 0 clue about numbers or the schizos the numbers thread spawned

>>14632509
Not any of them, but I think numbers thread dwellers are the ones who has 0 clues about numbers.

>>14629081

>>14631888
This.
Also, because of NijiEN's dedicated clipper system, every time they get new wave, they'll get a bunch of new clippers, each generating their own content, increasing NijiEN's traction almost exponentially.
From the other side, Holo has a huge monolithic core of main clippers, and every new gen, each Holo chuuba loses some of it's coverage time in their clips, as they all share this core. There are some dedicated clippers, but let's be honest, everyone watches the core ones instead.

>>14632689

>>14632689
By the way, holokeks, when will Gura's King overtake Kuzuha's? I am still waiting. Surely you wont tell that Holo's fanbase are just tourists who easily abandon content after only a few months, am I right?

>>14627392
reclining

>>14604865
More numberfagging from hololive. Insufferable

>>14632755
That the one with the wigger in it? No thanks.

>>14632689
Kuzuha King:
Made more than a year ago.
Samori King:
Made 3 months ago.

What even is your point anon?

>>14606162
You wanna die on that hill so bad?
>defense
It's a showcase of your embarrassment in HD
>sub-culture
>slow and steady
>merch
Schizos as old as time, newfag
>achievements
Are you even a Nijifag at this point?
>percentages, ratio
Sure you can have that
>tournaments don't count
Retard it was about Botan's participation BFV tournament
>fortune telling, volume, average
Lurk.
>CCV
They've always matters and Holo usually destroys Niji's total CCV during primetime with way fewer streams
>trailers are ads
They're not. It's a comparison of Council's trailers to NijiEN ads.
>trends
Never mattered even after the cope is slayed due to Holo actually beating Niji after HoloX
>midgets
Numbers are numbers
>bubble
Schizo
>creative freedom, management, bots
Coping to reply to a cope, I kneel
>Hal Kson Ui Nijisanji like sponsorships
Incredibly retarded.
>underestimated
Again, retarded. Holo is swimming in those
>Koshien
Who are you?
>markets
Algo unfair!!!1
>POVs
They're not
>family
Literal reverse
>3/5 viewers
What are you on?
>ratio
Ditto
>big audience
You know nothing about Holo then, not even the very basics. Pekora is the top of Hololive and she streams daily and that's just an example
>mainstream
Council is not JP
>Gen 3
muh algo again.
>SE
Cope
>peak CCV
It does. It does not when it's used to compare to one stream
>quality
Retard
>scalper
High demand=scalp, without scalpers it would have sold out anyways
>68%, Niji 80%
Reps

We know that Nijisanji EN gets about 1/5 the views of Hololive EN.
But so what? What what you want, the numbers don't matter.

Actually, I prefer the smaller number streams, they're much more comfy. Sometimes I go seeking them out. That's how I found Yuuka Bear. I like her a lot. I'm actually watching a steam right now that only has 40 viewers. It's pretty comfy.

>>14632862
How are the numbers on Gura and Calli's cover in anyway relevant to some idiot trying to compare Moona to Kuzuha because of one moment in time when she had more live viewers?

Kiara is super strong

>>14632689
WHO WOULD WIN
>KING ON HIS BUFFEST DAY OF THE YEAR, TURNING INTO TRANNY SANYA, DROPPING VAMPIRE COVER
OR
>HUMBLE VAMPIRE GIRL TRYING HER BEST
THE ANSWER WILL SHOCK YOU, POSSIBLY WANT TO UNBRAID PEKORA HAIR!!!!

>>14632970
Literally 4 posts above the one you replied to, you lazy fuck.

>>14632996
imagine losing to mel, pathetic

>>14603814
The real sad thing here is. Niiji isn't even Kiara tier.

>>14632996
>3 of top 4 are Niji
Holobros don't look!

>>14604269
Is there something wrong with Nina? I've only seen her on Pomu's Uno stream and she was getting some chuckles out of me, plus her voice makes my balls quiver

>>14633342
people thought she was gonna be a commie shill,

how do we save nijisanji folks?

>streams per range of peak CCV, December 1 to 13.

Hololive JP (382 streams, 34 streamers)
>0-9999: 131 streams
>10000-19999: 115 streams
>20000-29999: 67 streams
>30000-39999: 40 streams
>40000+: 29 streams


Nijisanji JP (642 streams, 95 streamers)
>0-9999: 589 streams
>10000-19999: 39 streams
>20000-29999: 8 streams
>30000-39999: 4 streams
>40000+: 2 streams

Nijisanji EN (96 streams, 10 streamers)
>0-9999: 96 streams
>10000-19999: 0 streams
>20000-29999: 0 streams
>30000-39999: 0 streams
>40000+: 0 streams

Hololive EN (90 streams, 11 streamers)
>0-9999: 56 streams
>10000-19999: 22 streams
>20000-29999: 6 streams
>30000-39999: 0 streams
>40000+: 6 streams

Hololive ID (45 streams, 6 streamers)
>0-9999: 43 streams
>10000-19999: 2 streams
>20000-29999: 0 streams
>30000-39999: 0 streams
>40000+: 0 streams

Nijisanji ID (118 streams, 17 streamers)
>0-9999: 118 streams
>10000-19999: 0 streams
>20000-29999: 0 streams
>30000-39999: 0 streams
>40000+: 0 streams


Nijisanji KR (108 streams, 18 streamers)
>0-9999: 108 streams
>10000-19999: 0 streams
>20000-29999: 0 streams
>30000-39999: 0 streams
>40000+: 0 streams

>>14603965
Nobody cares about SJW trash like nina

stop bumping this bait thread you absolute retards

>>14633400
She literally does russian only streams

>>14633301
Way too easy nijinigs

>>14633038
Reply to the right post then, you fucking idiot.

>>14633422
>picking the specific period where holoEN got new outfits
Really makes you think...

Better than Niji

*DABS*

>>14633508

>>14633508
show me numbers of any other period then? don't worry, i'll wait

>>14633551
you sit around masturbating to numbers all day long. It's not going to help you enjoy the streams. I'm enjoying a stream right now while you sit here....I don't even know what you're doing. I guess gloating that someone you don't even know is making money? Weird

>>14633589
Based stream watching, non numberfag.

>>14633589
>shitpost numbers
>btfo by the truth
>"why are you talking about numbers?"
But I don't, you can stop putting words in my mouth now.

>>14633617

>>14633638
Let's be honest about this. You are a corporate shill for hololive. Maybe you're being paid by them, maybe not. But you are basically trying to keep everyone watching hololive, by posting about how much superior hololive's numbers are. Even if the streams are boring, or they aren't your taste, you want to be a member of that "tribe". Obedient people tend to go with the herd.

>>14633690
Heh, I wish I was.
And no. You posted lies, I posted the truth, that's it.
I don't even really care about numbers, but just enough to expose lying faggots like you.

>>14633644
Who?

>>14633690

OCTOBER
1) Korone (Hololive) - 71k - Birthday 3D
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 86k - 3D Concert
3) Hal (Indie) - 57k - CR lottery
4) Noel (Hololive) - 101k - Outfit Reveal
5) Fubuki (Hololive) - 72k - Birthday 3D
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 45k - Minecraft (ENxSubaru)
7) Subaru (Hololive) - 93k - 3rd Anniversary
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 26.2k - Mario Kart 8DX
9) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 53.4k - CR Cup Tournament
10) Luna (Hololive) - 57k - Birthday 3D
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 52k - TotsuClubhouse51
12) Subaru (Hololive) - 38k - Card Unboxing with Luna
13) Kanae (Nijisanji) - 54k - Outfit Reveal
14) Pekora (Hololive) - 36k - Minecraft
15) Naraka (Nijisanji) - 53k - 3D Debut
16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 33k - Blazing Sails Niji Tournament
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.4k - Judge Eyes
18) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.5k - Summer craft championship
19) Suisei (Hololive) - 83.5k - Outfit Reveal
20) Subaru (Hololive) - 26.4k - Minecraft
21) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 63.2k - Survival Island End Stream
22) Pekora (Hololive) - 32.2k - Minecraft
23) Hal (Indie/Merise) - 45k - Merise Announcement
24) Miko (Hololive) - 65k - Sportfes Announcement
25) Miko (Hololive) - 32.7k - Minecraft (Sportfes preparation)
26) Rushia (Hololive) - 30.4k - Umamusume gacha
27) Pekora (Hololive) - 50k - Minecraft (PekoMiko)
28) Hal (Merise) - 35k - Apex Custom (Stacked Pros&Preds)
29) Pekora (Hololive) - 26.8k - Minecraft
30) Marine (Hololive) - 76k - Return stream
31) Yozora Mel (Hololive) - 58.3k - Birthday 3D

NOVEMBER
1) Marine (Hololive) - 34.7k - Karaoke
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 42.5 - Minecraft (Sport fest prep)
3) Chronoir (Nijisanji) - 48.9k - Announcement
4) Pekora (Hololive) - 36.4k - Rhythm Heaven
5) Luis Cammy (Nijisanji) - 39.4k - 3D Debut
6) Miko (Hololive) - 81.5k - Minecraft Sports Fest
7) Miko (Hololive) - 69.7k - Sport Fest Totsu
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 57.6k - Evil God korone
9) Subaru (Hololive) - 44k - Evil God Korone
10) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 56k - Kuzuha Concert Free Part
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 55k - First FFXIV stream
12) Fumi (Nijisanji) - 38k - 3D Debut
13) Rushia (Hololive) - 81k - Outfit reveal
14) Marine (Hololive) - 81.8k - Subaru's High profile case
15) Lamy (Hololive) - 83.3k - Birthday 3D
16) Pekora (Hololive) - 31.8k - Ape Escape 3
17) Marine (Hololive) - 34k - Bus Simulator
18) Pekora (Hololive) - 82.5k - Minecraft Mod with Marine
19) Towa (Hololive) - 47.5k - Mario Party
20) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 95k - Splatoon Tourney day 1
21) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 88.2k - Splatoon Tourney day 2
22) Subaru (Hololive) - 31.5k - Pokemon Challenge (vs Okayu)
23) Pekora (Hololive) - 57.7k - Karaoke Relay
24) Noel (Hololive) - 56.9k - Birthday Totsu
25) Hololive (Hololive) - 58.6k - Gen 3 Concert Free Part
26) La+ (Hololive) - 167.6k - Debut
27) Lui (Hololive) - 149.8k - Debut
28) Koyori (Hololive) - 180.5k - Debut
29) Chloe (Hololive) - 176.7k - Debut
30) Iroha (Hololive) - 175.8k - Debut

>TOP WINNER OF DECEMBER 2021
1) Chloe (Hololive) - 98,821 - Archived Karaoke
2) Chloe (Hololive) - 74,800 - The Radio Station
3) Hololive ch (Hololive) - 52,239 - Announcement
4) Shion (Hololive) - 93,815 - Outfit Reveal
5) Chloe (Hololive) - 63,541 - Unarchived Karaoke
6) Ayame (Hololive) - 59,998 - Return Stream
7) Mio (Hololive) - 54,729 - Anniversary Totsu
8) Shion (Hololive) - 89,072 - Birthday 3D
9) Mori (Hololive) - 89,923 - Outfit Reveal
10) Toya (Nijisanji) - 89,652 - Niji Mario Kart Lottery&Rules
11) Ame (Hololive) - 74,496 - Outfit Reveal
12) Gura (Hololive) - 112,093 - Outfit Reveal
13) Ayame (Hololive) - 98,986 - Birthday 3D

Stop bumping the bait thread with shit taken from the containment thread fucking idiot

>>14605763
>Literally none of subs, viewers, ccvs, superchats, etc matter unless holo is winning at it
Good thing they win at all of them

>>14633915
Dont ever try to numberfag again nijifag when you know you have nothing to show.

>>14633874
>Nijisanji on there at all
NO IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ALL HOLOLIVE! DELET THIS!!!

>>14627392
hololive is dying anon, they don't actually put out good content unlike other companies. Holofags are so desperate and insecure that they're going to make this thread reach bump limit instead of ignoring it. They all have the typical redditor mindset of acknowledging hateposts.

>ctrl+f kusoge
>4 results
>ctrl+f super chat reading
>1 result
Imagine comparing your strongest streamer during gameplay against the weakest during super chat reading.

>>14634066
>>14604700

>>14634066
was gonna say based till i saw
>unlike other companies

>>14606877
>They are, if they burned the chink bridge too early they would've been lost.
kek
clips that went most viral and made hololive explode in popularity weren't even from chinks
but thank you for giving fuel to the nijicope list

>>14632996
>>14633422
>>14633551
>>14633638
>>14633712
>>14633733
>>14633874
>>14634004
stay mad, I can type twelve words and you respond with paragraphs.

up

i alwasy wonder why dragoons are alwasy so obnoxious
did they get builed at the nijien general?

>>14634066
this is a repulsive level of cope

>>14634289
Proof Nijicucks have the mental capacity of autistic children

>>14603814
Kiara will get more views if she plays more mainstream games

tell me about it

>>14603814
>Kiara 7:44:43
She's reading superchats deep into the night, isn't she?
>Iroha 1:32
Literally just started.

Get better bait.

>>14634266
I hope you realize that I did this so the Numberfag thread would be nothing but boxes of responses to responses to responses. The fact is that it worked. Think about it like this fag. Until Holofags ran things this beast did not manifest until some smartass decided to tribal. Did you ever see Holocope list?

>>14634445
Nijisanji's greatest talent losing to a 300K chuba frolm Hololive Council...

>>14633436
and all russians are commie

>>14634681
Comparing a collab in a larger market to a solo stream understood only by a small island nation, and a generic FPS stream at that. Truly disingenuous.

>>14635420
>it doesnt count unless kuzuha plays apex

>>14635420
More like comparing the biggest talent in the most popular vtuber company in Japan with a fucking rat from a failed gen.
But keep the cope up. You are doing a great job reducing the cognitive dissonance in your head.

I love rogue threads. The worst part of the fandoms quarantine themselves, screaming at the void. The only numbers that matter are the ones in yagoo's and riku's pockets.

lots of holoSEETHE itt

up

>>14603814
streams last too long, during the pandemic I could watch the 4+ hour streams easily but now I'm just watching for around 45~60 minutes.