/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

The fuck are you talking about with that shitty pic, you retarded dog eating chinkgook

>>1407163
>muh chink boogeyman
no need to be assblast anon, i only want to ask because holofans often say nijinigger is overtaken by holo and all of their vtubers are irrelevant shit

>>1407077
>>1407077
Hololive is not more popular than Niji. It depends on where and who. In general, Niji is more well-known in Japan.

Apex is a debuff game, if you are not that good at it. Some people argue that Matsuri's viewership tanked because of her obsession with Apex.

Nun Bora is arguably the most popular Niji KR at the moment and generally speaks Japanese. She is very skilled at Apex and gains popularity in the recent Apex tournament.

>>1407077
You can't make me watch apex. I simply refuse

>>1407233
Go back, ching chong chong chink

>>1407077
Lower viewership, but they make more money.

>>1407077
>Matuli
Washed up
>Towa
Yab

>>1407077
this is an english website

NijiKR is cute and underrated.

>>1407077
Please use English next time. I don't speak SEAmonkey

>>1407403
Except the 2nd wave. They're failures all around

>>1407373
no doubt idolbutas will throw their paycheck at hologirls

The Holo audience is sick to death of Apex, while Nijiniggers lap that shit up for eternity, Tokyo ghoul is their most popular liver and he streams nothing but Apex

>>1407077
Matsuri lost a lot of fans from spamming Apex and she's not particularly good at it.
Towa somehow still suffers from the yab. Also it's early morning for her NA fans
Nun Bora caters to JP and since she's actually good at Apex, attracts the Apex crowd.

>>1407496
>The Holo audience is sick to death of Apex

>>1407077
it's because Bora is actually good in the game, she 1v3'd Towa's team just last night

>>1407547
He said the Holoaudience, not the chinks

>>1407561
Why are chinks so based then?

>>1407561
>muh chinks
Okay, another example then

>>1407561
Don't be in denial. Ayame gets 10k live viewers when playing Apex. Bora is arguably the best player right now in Niji. She got into masters and she ain't considered a girl in the cr cup. She's that good. She's also in the hype phase of her career after getting considerable attention doing these tournaments and Apex collab. She played with Kuzuha and Gorilla before. Matsuri and Towa are just good to very good.

>>1407613
Ayame rarely streams so every single stream of hers is treated as an event by her fans.

>>1407547
>>1407613
Aqua and Ayame fans would literally eat their shit.
Which wouldn't even be unrealistic in Ayame's case.

>>1407077
idk but i hate apex lol

>>1407077I
Comparing Matsuri and Towa to someone that is a better Apex player than 99% of vtubers, she makes Kuzuha look like a joke but gets 1/10 his viewers.

despite her voice, bora is actually pretty funny and interesting to watch. i like it when she sings while casually murderring a whole team in apex

>>1407077
>Open stream.
>See Apex.
>Close stream.

>>1407077
Why are Koreans so autistic when it comes to shooting games

>>1407077
>Best vtuber playing Apex
>2 Mid skill ones playing Apex
>Geeeh why does people watch her more than her competitors?
She is really good, if you like Apex watch her

>>1409678
Shouldn't it be about the person playing and not their skill level? If they wanted to watch good players they'd go watch preds.

>>1407077
ESL-kun why are you trying to start shit?

>>1409678
I mean Kuzuha gets more than all of them and he isn't better than Bora.

Why cant holofags just admit no one likes their shit girls. Dead subs mean nothing next to actual viewers.

>>1409928
Bora is pred level

>>1409632
They're also peak autistic for starcraft and league of legends.

>>1409985
Kuzuha has a long time fanbase, Matsuri had one but destroyed it and Towa never was too big, Bora numbers are kinda amazing tho

>>1410270
Cope harder.

>>1407077
Apex is only fun when it's Aqua or Ayame

>>1407561
Fuck off EOP

When your English is this bad, have you considered that your nihongo is just as bad, and everyone laughs at your retarded chat comments?

>>1407547
>>1407613
How are you guys getting this view in playboard? I can't pull this view up for my oshi

>>1413895
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/vididhere

>>1408682
>Which wouldn't even be unrealistic in Ayame's case.
Only if she laughs at me while I do it.

>>1407385
>this is an english website
Based on a Japanese one, built around Japanese culture, owned by a Japanese and other languages are allowed in some boards.

JP audience really dislikes Towa's voice. To be honest, the model doesn't match the voice at all.

>>1415303
>built around Japanese culture
yeah you can have everything but this one. this website has never been built around japanese culture lmao. it's built around shitty goon culture.

>>1416548
>this website has never been built around japanese culture lmao
Underaged detected.

>>1407077
>Apex
anon don't tell me you actually watch that shit

>>1410301
No, she isn't pred level

>>1407077

>>1410270
vyt sperg trying to start your bullshit here too?

>>1416574
yeah cause this is japanese culture....
......right....

>>1416650
>2m+ subs
>18k

>>1416717
weird how her vods get way more views than most though. Almost as if youtube didnt count all the eops who use adblockers, like we already knew.

>>1416689
They're literally talking about Japanese otaku culture in that image. Just in an extremely cringey way.

>>1416783
adblock cope, kek

>>1416787
yeah, they're talking about something they're not a part of. 4chan was started by three cringey goons and a few shitposters that were SUPER KAWAIIIIII DECHUUUU :3.
to quote moot
>Said people [weebs] are complete wastes of human life and have made running the site hell not only for me, but for the original users

>>1416787
a literal child talking about how he made a site to find porn easier and how it gives him a cool email address is not japanese culture.

>>1416783
She has a very good view:length ratio and decent % of subs to views, although for the latter it's partly because she does stream a lot more, it doesn't matter as much because the former is good.

>youtube didn't count all the eops who use adblockers
This part just isn't true though. I can go onto a video right now and have my view count using Ublock. Cookie blocking is usually an opt-in for adblockers, and most aren't broken as long as the creator didn't mess up the embed. Plus, I know he's shitposting, but he's talking about live views. Youtube uses a different way to determine live views as I can hop onto a low viewer streamer and see the number go up even blocking cookies.

>>1408795
Seriously, what is Tokyo Ghoul appeal? because on the Apex tournament he got beaten by the homos and even by other nijis as well yet his apex streams pull good numbers compared to the other nijis regular streams.

>>1417293
https://youtu.be/p7yxAVtCNLY
he's funny as hell

hololive is reclining

>>1417293
hilarious dork

>>1417172
>low viewer streamer
yes, youtube counts you even with adblocker if that video has a low number of viewers. But if it is a video with a high number of viewers, their anti-bot "feature" kicks in to not count all the adblockers, since they're not giving them ad-revenue anyways

>>1416029
I can't stand her nasally voice. Quite unfortunate. Voice isn't usually such a strong motivator for me to avoid someone. Personality usually is more important.

>>1418075
this is completely baseless lmao
she has more views on her vods because she streams at times when most people who want to can't watch live

>>1418215
>this is completely baseless lmao
>here, let me tell you my theory now

>>1418378
>here, let me tell you my theory now
My "theory" is based on my personal experience and the experience of other people I've talked to and is the most plausable reason to why she has vod views vut not live views
Saying youtube doesn't count adblock viewers on big streams but they do on small streams is a bullshit conspiracy theory

>>1418480
>My "theory" is based on my personal experience and the experience of other people I've talked to and is the most plausable reason to why she has vod views vut not live views
long way to spell theory

>>1418609
exactly that's why I didn't spell theory

Terraria isn't a big draw for viewership. Coco had like 3k watching her or something. Even pewdiepie's viewership ratio was way down to what he normally gets doing anything else.
So getting 18k on the second stream is pretty dang good.

>>1418075
There's no such thing as having a "high" number of viewers such that their anti-bot feature kicks in. The only view requirement Youtube used to have before auditing the number of views is 300, at which the views get updated at an interval instead of instantly. Also this ignores that I can go onto a low view video and not have the counter go up if blocking cookies, which means that live viewers and video view's clearly don't use the same method. You're basically implying that they use the same method for video views and high live viewers while having a different way of counting for low live viewers specifically which makes 0 sense for them to do. Do you have anything actually supporting this?

>>1418846
Coco don't have high viewership in general. I think she averages 4-5k at best.

>>1418846
>>1418884
I remember asacoco and collab zatsudans being her highest view streams. She usually does single digits for everything else, also heuge supachats during zatsudans.

>Gura 140k last month

Meanwhile last year:
Gura 500k a month
Mori/Ame 200k a month
Ina/Kiara 130-150k a month

>>1416029
I wouldn’t mind it if it weren’t so clear she’s forcing herself

>>1407077
Your comparing 2 of the lowerish viewed Vtubers in Hololive.

>>1418378
It's not so much a theory as common fucking sense. If you aren't a NEET in most US/EU timezones then no live Gura streams for you.

>>1418846
I actually wonder way Terraria has such a viewer debuff. It's basically just a less shitty minecraft

>>1420322
To someone from the 2nd least popular Niji branch

>>1420962
The same reason why the game itself reclined heavily after its peak (which was due to MC in the first place) while Minecraft thrived for years and years.

>>1407680
I heard Bora is the only niji who got the 4k damage in a game on all legends. Or did that change?

>>1418075
thats is baseless assumption but i like the theory that since the girls channel is set to japanese and have a huge influence of wester viewers something was done to live view counts back on decemebr to consider portion of them as low quality viewers. Since this is still a thing youtube does.
however i dont understand the obsesion of this board with "live views" as a metric for popularity. If you people want to know how many poeple were watching the stream, then yu can see the final views by the time the stream finishes. That's where you will see the holos, mid to high, mog almost everyone. even the vampiere is unable to keep with the big three of holo jp while streaming on same timeframe.

>>1422005
I'm not sure about that but she's a monster right now at the cr scrims. Qualia Qu is awesome too. She did a collab with Bora and Towa before. They had bad synergy at first given how aggressive qu and bora are compared to Towa but it was fun. If only Aqua nor Ayame wasn't so much as social retards... I would rather see them play with Bora and Qu. We would have better gameplays. Botan would be nice. I don't care for Apex but if the play is awesome I will watch it

>>1423140
If we look at this with a bigger net. All but the big streamers in Hololive will get double digits whatever it is they play. Pekora, Marine, Miko, Korone and Aqua. Ayame and Shion hits doubles too but their streams are irregular.

The rest all vary in numbers and have comparable streaming numbers to a niji liver or even an indie. There is really no need to compare. Besides, most viewers stream multiple livers during primetime at the same time.

>>1416029
Nah the idolfags abandoned her because she was dishonest about using voice comms
>>1416548
GRRR GOONS
OH WAIT THIS ISN'T FUCKING EVE

>>1423602
thats why i look at the vods at the end, those draw a bigger picture. And even follow the growth of the vods later for a better understanding.
Both gura,shion,pekjora, marin have an interesting and simialr patterns. Kuzahu follows a similar trend but has some glaring differences in comparison.
They arent indies with 100 views anymore, the live views is not a reliable metric anymore.

>>1409632
The entire country has a bit of a "be good or kill yourself" mindset

Because bola is actually good at the game.

>>1407077
NijiKR RTS player when?

>>1423890
The most important metrics for Youtube's algorithm is watch time, number of impressions, and average watch time per impression, the 1st and 3rd being affected by video length too.

The only way to get any idea of watch time for a stream is through average live concurrent viewers, and the only way for average watch time per impression is through max concurrent viewers compared to video views at the end. There's also no real way to tell watch time on vods unless you're the creator. Looking at video views on stream end only gives you part of the picture for the 1st metric and excludes the 2nd and 3rd metrics entirely. Having a lot of people rotate in and out of your stream with very low watch time is not a good thing. If you have 1M views at the end of a 1 hour video, and your highest concurrent viewership is 5k, that means someone watched you for just <20 seconds on average.

>>1426540
>The most important metrics for Youtube's algorithm is watch time
not that important anymore since addsense and icpm now depends entirely on the type of content and how many people watched the add or interacted with the add and the kidn of add you are showing. Hence why you can monetize short videos now days. The regular viewrship of a video is usually 20min if you belive old youtube statisc, meaning that most people wont finish a stream but would still get that add.
What you tube promotes now days and what matters more for the algorithm is the type of content and also the engagement on it. Likes, comments, sharing the video.
So a video with 1M views that had 5k live viewers would still make more moeny and being more promoted by youtube than one with 30k viewers and ended up with 100k.
In streaming you want a lot of people come in and rotate since reaching to that casual user base is what makes the stream money in you tube and what keeps you on the algorithm. Unless you are somehow making the same user watch the vod multiple times, which can happen and is noticeable by the increase of view but not an increase of engagement.

>>1427351
Revenue from monetization != Youtube's algorithm, and while they've moved on to a more holistic approach, watch time is still the most important metric for engagement.

>So a video with 1M views that had 5k live viewers would still make more moeny and being more promoted by youtube than one with 30k viewers and ended up with 100k. In streaming you want a lot of people come in and rotate since reaching to that casual user base is what makes the stream money in you tube and what keeps you on the algorithm.
This isn't necessarily true, but I already said that number of impressions is one of the most important metrics. The thing is, you aren't getting that with looking at only the number of views on vods at the end of stream.

>In streaming you want a lot of people come in and rotate since reaching to that casual user base is what makes the stream money in you tube and what keeps you on the algorithm.
The entire reason they swapped off of views in 2012 is because they didn't want people to just come in and out for a minute and leave Youtube. I'm not sure why you would claim that people rotating in and out is what Youtube wants when even you've said that they focus on engagement. Number of views is less relevant to engagement than watch time.

>Unless you are somehow making the same user watch the vod multiple times, which can happen and is noticeable by the increase of view but not an increase of engagement.
This does happen and unless you're the creator there's no way to tell unique number of views unless you just try to estimate comparing similar video content and length, but this has nothing to do with what we're discussing anyways.

>>1428302
>>1427351
Oh, and I didn't realize why you only bothered to quote the first metric but I named 3.

>The most important metrics for Youtube's algorithm is watch time, number of impressions, and average watch time per impression

>>1428302
> I'm not sure why you would claim that people rotating in and out is what you wants
because people don't watch for that long, as i said before the average watch time of a video is 20min. For long streams you want high rotation of people in and out rather than having the same one stuck to the stream since you will get more watch time that way. Also higher rotate of user means you are getting far more impressionism,views from impressions and click rates.
>his does happen and unless you're the creator there's no way to tell unique number of views unless you just try to estimate comparing similar video content and length,
is easy to see when you compare coments, rts and likes. Good normal videos follow a trend where the video views increase also increase the click rates and engagement.

>>1407077
>Apex
Yawn

>>1420962
minecraft has longer player retention while Terraria is more fun but shorter.

Like some short really good TV show everyone liked compared to some ongoing show that people tune in to each week.

>>1429159
>because people don't watch for that long, as i said before the average watch time of a video is 20min. For long streams you want high rotation of people in and out rather than having the same one stuck to the stream since you will get more watch time that way.
Why would you extrapolate average watch time across the entirety of Youtube to vtubers? Also having a rotation of people go in and out has no effect on total watch time, and decreases average watch time. If you have a static 5k viewers for a 10 minute video, total watch time is 50k minutes, average watch time is 10 minutes. If you have a rotation of 5k every minute, total watch time is still 50k minutes, but average watch time is 1 minute.

>Also higher rotate of user means you are getting far more impressionism,views from impressions and click rates.
I've already addressed that. You aren't getting the rate of impressions and click rates by only looking at the video views at the end of the stream. If you only wanted that, you would get an even better picture by waiting a day or a week after the stream is done. Views directly after stream are only relevant to that in relation to average watch time in conjunction with max. concurrent live.

>is easy to see when you compare coments, rts and likes. Good normal videos follow a trend where the video views increase also increase the click rates and engagement.
Saying video views increase engagement doesn't mean much when it can vary drastically from channel to channel, but either way it doesn't address the point which is that you still can't tell number of unique views. Trying to grasp the number of unique views only through the lens of comments/rts/likes is like trying to pinpoint a location based on rainfall. It's too little information.

>>1410301
She isnt even masters lmfao what?

>>1432845
Yes she is. She has been for a few days now.

>>1420322
nijiKR is literally bottom of a barrel niji branch lmao

>>1434139
Not since ID exists they aren't.

>>1434178
>ID
indo?
even then 2nd bottom of a barrel niji branch vs holo main branch
embarrassing

>>1434431
My bad I meant IN the India branch.

>>1424809
RTS is a boomer game at this point. You'd have to find someone in their 30s or 40s

>>1434005
Did she get it or was she carried? Ranked has changed recently and its been easier to get carried.

>>1417172
>>1418075
>>1418866
regardless this is why I "like" my oshi's streams.
have noted that there'll be say, 7k people watching and then the like counter is at 11k or some shit
i don't get this discrepancy unless thousands of people see the vid and only click on it to like it then piss off again
makes no sense but then again what does

>>1427351
>>1426540
>interactions
>impressions
this is just likes and dislikes and maybe comments right? doesn't include chat during the live right?

>>1416029
I will never forgive the japanese for stealing Towa's kino deep voice from us

>>1439195
Did you watch CR cup?

>>1419869
Pekora and Korone were doing 120k a month around the same time

>>1440045
I forget which Tourny it was but i watched her, Uge and Marin on a team and she was barely a diamond player from what i could see. At least by old ranking standards. She got blown out of the water by people like Noah who is a masters player. Masters was so easy to get this season that Noah got it within the first few weeks.

>>1440842
that's HAL cup, it's low bar tournament
>She got blown out of the water by people like Noah who is a masters player
lol you meant Noah got blown out of water? because that's what happened
https://twitter.com/525MaRiN525/status/1369682050924486657
This is the current running tournament hosts by esport team with 1/3 players are predator rank, 1/3 players are master rank and 1/3 players are shitter rank and she is still top 2 most K/A

>>1440991
Noah was carrying Roboco and FBK, as a team she would have done poorly but everytime those two met each other Noah melted their team alone. It was an obvious difference is skill.

>>1441183
Did you even watch that tournament? They hardly meet each other, both were died early or got shit on hard by other team

>>1441739
Yes i did, please work on your English reps though, Anon.

>>1442643
not an argument

>>1407077
>Eigo
Rangeban SEAnigs and this board instantly becomes 5000% better

>>1442643
>>1444125
Both are on the same skill level. Bora is better on sniper/long range fight, while Noah is a monster in close range fight. I may still rate Noah higher because she has better shotcalling skill (was leader in both vtuber tournament), while Bora always has somebody to lead her (Uge in the last tournament).