/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>14347717
Better start hiring some songwriters and actual musicians.

Why don't they just buy a license to cover everyone singing the songs for archives and or cover songs? Much better use than that half-assed MMORPG thing they're working on.

Because you can generate money off of it in the short run compared to just buying a license and good luck paying western copyrights for music.

>>14347717
Looks like everyone has to learn rapping so they can sing Callis songs.

If you don't want to rap, you can always sing sparks.

>>14351075
sasuga ppt way ahead of the curve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=capR8xb-osE&t=2548

This is basically Holo-caust 2.0, huh? Cover has only themselves to blame for not working to better secure permissions, but hey, they're working on some sort of hololive game! yagoo love, etc.. etc..

>tfw I rarely watched karaoke streams to begin with
No skin off my back.

Watame, Suisei, and Mori just became the most valuable Holos for the company

>>14350467
Because they are extremely expensive.

>tfw my oshi is going to have to sing wigger shit

>>14347717
>Karaoke permissions arch
Quick rundown?

>>14352171
That's a cover. Though since they already have permission to do it seeing as Calli and Suisei did a proper cover, I guess that would be fine.

>>14352687
it's exactly as how it sounds, they're gonna cut down on the amount of unarchived karaoke streams and have more archived ones, meaning the girls can only sing songs they have approval for

What's Gura got going for her now she won't be able to continue with her karaoke spam?

>>14352942
GTA and Unironically DMC

>>14352790
Okay but what's the reason? They don't have permissions even when unarchived? They make more money with the archived ones?

>>14352790
So basically what everyone in JP already does anyway

>>14347717
it's arc not arch

>>14347717
>>14353066

>>14352942
Ecchi art reviews

>>14347717
>less archived streams
>less singing basic bitch, 'daddy didn't love me' songs like Mumei
Based cover limiting shit taste, you can go watch cam streamers for those

>>14353039
Not really since they still have to pay google and youtube regardless. They just don't want to spend too much on DMCAs

>>14352790
>>14353039
>>14347717
Nice no English shit. Japan rules.

>>14352942
Risu you fuck. Did you do this to get out of all the karaoke requests?

>>14347717
>>14352687
>>14352687
OP is a retard, it is literally just this company that holds some eurobeat shit, that irys wanted to do. >>14351015. Jps and even ens like mori and mumers are still holding unarchived karaokes from anyone else.

>>14353224
You are not Japanese

>>14347717
>They are going to need permission for karaoke because copyright and stuff
>low IQ
>hololive is putting together a concert that costs 100 dollarydoos to see the whole thing and suddenly the girls can't sing for free
>high IQ

>>14353261
Sad since eurobeat is nice but also fucking nothing, thanks for the correct info

>>14347717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLg8GmSv6_o
lol.

>>14353261
>only 1 single extremely niche and specific group being retarded with copyright
ah the usual /vt/ blowing tiny irrelevant shit out of the planet proportions

>>14353261
Irys didn't name that company, she said they're changing the rules which implies it's more than just a small list of songs that are off limits

>>14353261
>mori and mumers are still holding unarchived karaokes from anyone else
Welp back in the trash they go

>>14353261
>so like song permission... the rules seem like they are gonna change a bit
ok, retard

>>14353511
She said its eurobeat and that its specifically the gas gas gas song. There literally is no other
What a surprise music companies are run by the most retarded people on youtube big shocker

>>14353726
https://youtu.be/QkBHQONp5VQ?t=11014
>rules changing
>you're gonna hear more from the other members
ok, retard

>>14353754
Nice. Now link the part where she says its specifically and O N L Y the gas gas gas song that made this happen. You wont since it shits on your narrative

>>14350467
Because records companies are some of the greediest out there.

>>14353792
give it up nigger, you lost

>>14353039
I think it's been said from time to time that Cover was essentially playing with fire with Unarchived karaokes, since they never really had the rights to sing some songs. While rare its also been said that their talents are apparently at risk of getting false DMCA'd on-stream due to the shitty rules, even if the VODs were either privated or removed entirely.
Obviously nobody would want that, so its probably why Cover's playing it even more safe, since they have a ton to lose.

>be an idol company
>can't sing songs outside of a tiny pool of fucking awful Hololive originals

nahone

>>14353993
not what is happening, its 1 single music rights group going apeshit with their copyright abuse
happens all the time until lawyers start getting involved and they fuck off into irrelevancy again

>>14354068
cope

>>14347717
VSingers are about to expand. Expect to see bands

>>14354135
Fucking finally, sick of EoP pandering gamer chuubas, we need some real music talent in Hololive other than IRys and Suisei

>>14353993
>be an idol company
>can't sing trash western songs so you can only sing kino jp songs like the idols you're supposed to be

Based

>>14347717
It's actualy a chance.
They will have no choice but to learn the songs of watame and aZki and sing it in stream to have a larger repertoire. So maybe these songs will not completely fall in dust, and be forever forgotten from the majority.

>>14354202
>kino jp songs
The problem is that they always sing the trendchasing popular vocaloid song of the month

>>14354252
As opposed to what? Tiktok trash? Get the fuck out of here

Meanwhile non-JP corpo permissions goes brrrrrrrrrrr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMI_M_9jZqk
The permission arcs keeps on happening in holo or niji because JP has some of the weakest fair use laws out there, it just that bad in there

>>14354252
Recent example 神っぽいな

>>14354252
I'd say its still better than the alternative, but I dunno what to tell you anon... if you get filtered by the new songs try watching some hags, they often go for the older hits as well

>>14353875
There’s a reason niji never lets talent sing English songs. It’s frankly a miracle it took this long. If they want to do unarchived English karaoke they better move them to twitch and walk them through audio splitting

>>14354338
Most of this stuff doesn't fall under fair use anywhere. Even something like streaming video game play is not fair use legally. It's just a matter of whether someone decides to sue your ass or not. In most cases the answer is not because there's no merit in it. Music rights societies on the other hand are pretty eager to take a cut of profit from their songs cuz they got basically no other income. Still, they are going to go after the big targets before they start fucking with small nonames.

>can't play games
>can't sing
Talking forever in front of a single color background soon.

>>14354338
In contrast to burger fair use laws in the music industry where if you play more than 4 seconds of a song, even without the lyrics, even if that song is remixed or a cover of another older artist (hypocrisy at its finest), then you get absolutely blasted by the dumb nigger who think's he's music jesus just because he regurgitated an old song and made it more "modern"

amerimutt musicians are pure unfiltered cancer

Quick reminder that anybody can upload a song onto spotify, claim the original rights from ANYBODY regardless of who holds it and send false copyright and DMCA on anyone they want because youtube is retarded.

>Haachama can no longer coast on reuploaded fan MMDs and karaoke
Good

Gura can sing ride on time, cups and country roads forever and I will support her.

>>14354765
>amerimutt musicians are pure unfiltered cancer
Its never the musicians themselves, its always their greedy publisher

>>14347717
This is all Metallica fault never forget that anons

>>14355023
Sometimes it’s families. See the Marvin Gaye estate claiming using the same chord progression or themes is theft.

>>14354834
Youtube is so retarded when it comes to claims people will often claim their own videos so that fake companies like this cant

There is no point in arguing whether they should keep perms to do unofficial or official karaoke, that's not up to >us. Besides, it doesn't seem like anything got scrapped yet besides EurRySbeat.
>>14352942
I feel like she should have brought out official covers of some of the other songs covered by the Hololive/-stars. God-ish, Phony, Ussewa, Odo, Flos, Goodbye Declaration, more Kanaria songs ... there are so many they have or can secure perms for. The only downside is lack of interaction. All I am saying is that they could adapt, though whether that's up to the girls or up to cover is another matter.

>>14355023
See >>14355484

>>14354068
>Own rights to a near dead genre
>Prevent people from hearing about it
Sausuga, Eurobeat rights holders

>>14347717
it's mostly jewtube problem tho
the can still do unarchive karaokes in twitch

I warned you about capitalism, comrades

>>14357948
Yeah but in the 80s the soviet union was so desperate for Pepsi. Part of the reason the soviet union collapsed is because they want more western stuff.

I fucking hate this world.

I was never a a big fan of karaoke slim not bothered by this news but It really suck fir the holomembers who like doing unarchived karaoke like Mori and Ame.
Fucking hell Its even more restriction and mori already cant play the game she want to play.So i just hope its because of the song publisher like with the game permission and not just cover being retarded.

Reminder, all this "permissions shit" would easily by avoided if Cover opened up a shell division in America.
Like seriously you'd only need to staff it with like 5 people who are American and boom, you got a shell company that can fight permissions and not have to deal with copyright in japan
this is literally what sony does and what other Japanese companies do to avoid the god awful copyright in japan

>NijiEN was never allowed to sing in english since day 1
What did they know exactly? Why did they impose such a limitation right away? Could it have something to do with what's happening at Hololive now?

Not saying its nijiniggers, just wondering why english specifically.

>>14358048
Blame the need for money, Metallica taking down napster and the now corrupt music industry

>>14354310
whatever the hell mumei sings is usually good
they could also sing some old anime stuff like Fubuki does on occasion but most of them are utaite which necessitates trendchasing

>>14359284
You have to be living under a rock if you don't know how badly the western copyright jews and youtube attack people over music used in videos. You can get copyright strikes for just using music someone else has smampled in their faggot-ass rap song

>>14359284
Nijisanji has never let their livers sing songs they dont have permissions for even if it's unarchived. It's a strict rule across the entire company, not just their EN livers.

Anykara takes permissions much more seriously than Cover which is why they never had a Holocaust. Youtube can still strike you during a livestream even if it's unarchived so Hololive has always been taking a risk doing these unarchived streams.

>>14359780
>Youtube can still strike you during a livestream even if it's unarchived so Hololive has always been taking a risk doing these unarchived streams.
Seriously?
So is Cover just being more careful now? Or did someone get hit?

>>14359565
Mumei mostly does Pop-punk and musical numbers. Mori also did musical numbers recently and Gura and Ame have both dabbled there from time to time, so either that’s the new meta or that’s part of the problem IRyS is referencing when she said that others might talk about it.

>>14359830
Ludwig got hit for watching Baby Shark on stream after Youtube paid him millions of dollars to move to their platform.
The fact their system still struck someone who was essentially being paid directly by Youtube means no one is safe and Cover may be reacting to it.

>>14354569
>Even something like streaming video game play is not fair use legally. It's just a matter of whether someone decides to sue your ass or not.
Eh, arguably yes to the first part, but no to the second.
Just about every game includes "individuals can record and upload gameplay footage" in the TOS these days, because companies know that's one of the best forms of free advertisements out there.
A regular streamer is in no danger of being sued by a game company for copyright infringement these days, it's just corporations (like Cover and Anycolor) using footage that gets iffy.
(Songs are still pretty much "do anything, get sued if they feel like it" though")

What's upsetting is that Mumei's going to be affected by this the most and that was by far her best content.

This is why Japan is a shithole country, in the West we have something called Fair Use that actually helps the people, but Japan loves to suck off companies and they don't have any semblance of fair use it's why it's so difficult to stream shit there
Or do you actually think people like Markiplier, Pewdiepie or any big streamer asks for permission to play games? of course not

>>14354135
VBands already exist...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDu0E2Pgh0Q

>>14359845
I wouldn't be surprised if musicals are indeed the problem here. The music industry only wants to protect sales, but Broadway protects live performances. They don't care if it's unarchived, that's the default state of a stage play anyways.

>>14360201
Kara is NOT fair use. It is not a transformative work. It is not covered by fair use law.

About Unarchived permissions
(from IRyS own mouth at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkBHQONp5VQ&t=11015))
it seems to only affect songs by this label
>pic related

She said "Eurobeat songs" but it refers tho these.

>>14360368
The entire reason they're worth anything at all is because of the Deja Vu meme. Nice of them to clamp down now that they got the fame they needed.

>>14360351
singing over it is transformative. transformation is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition to justify fair use—it must be transformative, but transformation alone is not enough.

>>14360351
Fuck off, if someone wants to sings something do you think a studio gonna sue your ass? if that were the case no one's could even fucking WHISTLE a famous song, so fuck off corpo slave

>>14352392
i dont watch streams too!

>>14360464
I don't think any musician besides Metallica is going to personally be slighted by a Kara. It's the RIAA you gotta watch out for. I've been pirating shit for 20 years, you think I care? What I care about is that my oshi doesn't get dicked into bankruptcy by the labels.

>>14360201
"Fair use" is something that has to be established in court. Japan also has fair use addendum in their copyright laws, albeit it's a weaker form than the one was have in the US. Usage of copyrighted material without permission is automatically infringement, regardless of what country you live in and whether or not fair use / fair dealing exceptions exist.

>>14360464
Bruh. I know Metallica would. Like they will in a heart beat. That's why no one, not even in the super bowl does their music without them getting a big pay off.

>>14359866
Being paid by youtube doesnt let you bypass international law

>>14353261
What will the gossiping women move onto next?

Probably some artists will be an ass about allowing the girls to sing their songs on streams, whether archived or unarchived while others won't have any issues with it.

Looks like they may have to go to the Risu route. You can't DMCA background music if you don't have background music.

>>14358316
After the way they got burned by HoloCN that's not gonna happen.

>>14359830
Cover's just being careful, because they very clearly didn't understand why Anykara made the decisions they made regarding permissions until now.
Especially now that that Cover is now the face of Vtubing, who to most companies have enough money that they're working on their own game? You bet that any music corporation would just love to strike them down when they aren't looking.

>>14360998
Baby shark is a public domain song anon, nobody should be able to copyright it

>>14352942
This is what she saved all those great stream ideas for.

>>14359316
>Implying the music industry was ever NOT corrupt

>>14347717
It's over moona.. Ollie win..

>>14354344
Wat song is dat

>>14374006
I think she’d be more depressed about the fact that she won’t be able to sing English songs anymore desu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn066hDKjx4
Learn to love it sung in halting, bad Japanese.

>>14374128
kamippoinasore song

>>14354834
lol i still seethe with levan polka songs in youtube, most of them got copyright by "levan polka remix" bullshit youtuber

>>14382318
will she be the matsuri of ID?

>>14383046
She doesn't have a crippling APEX addiction and menhera tendencies so no.

>>14355484
My blood relative is in the band and no, I work at a wallshart for a living while I'm trying to get accepted into uni so no, I've never gotten any gibmedats.

it's over

>>14347717
arch?

>>14350467
Why don't they just make their own songs that others can cover instead?
Fuck the music industry.

Solution: Bash every clipfag’s head with a rock. It’s their fault.
>durr im gonna make sure this cover from an unarchived stream is posted and gets the attention of copyright lawyers

>>14347717
reminder that snoy has 50 vtubers not asking for permissions kek

>>14369517
yeah and omega has saved all the no responses too

>>14352942
It's simple. She just need to learn Japanese and sing Japanese songs. Or sings in acapella style to show off her vocal prowess. Problem solved.

>>14347717
Why is copyright so shitty to work with

>>14353726
I remember Manuel is being a prick lately, going to what i'm hearing with talks in the Eurobeat fanbase. Dave Rogers is based, so he might be okay (Coco sang Deja Vu and Night of Fire on her unarchived), so yeah.

>>14388253
Because of the laws. They're made to bring every penny possible to the music labels, and harder for anyone else to do the same.

So yea fuck the music industry.

>>14388008
>Why don't they just make their own songs that others can cover instead?
That's really their other solution. Other than Call, no one else is really able to get new music produced.

>>14367967
all of the other girls are using background music that is free to use, risu is just a lazy cunt

Cover literally introduced a shark killer I'm telling you they're ditching EN

>>14352475
>>14353829
Then how do you explain Polka? She licenses all the songs she sings in karaoke streams and archives all of them. The question is if Polka can do it out of pocket why can't the others do the same?

>>14388253
Because the very concept of IP is retarded.

>>14388253
the music industry is the third most aggressive copyright striker in the world. They even lobby dead artists songs.

one firm even tried to copyright classic music back in the day.

>>14350467
they could just make their own platform to stream or donation for special stream/concert. jewtube is stupid

>>14347717
Am I the only one here old enough to remember the shitstorm between Napster and the RIAA

How about fan made vocaloid music?

>>14389966
what's the top 2?

>>14389638
Polka is a JP chuuba well versed in the entertainment industry. HoloEN's management is literally a bunch of drooling retards, it's been proven multiple times.

>>14347717
Care to explain?

>>14350467
Twitch who is owned by Amazon can't even bother to fight record companies to play in game music

>>14388958
Uh Gura proved that she can do it, I belev in Mumei and Kronii also

All competent agencies and individual vsingers have contracts with musicians for this exact purpose. HoloEN will have to take a few lessons from them.

>>14387962
kek
I can hear that

Lack of Respect

How unusual was the content of Karaoke Stream? Vtubers who belong to corporations don't understand.
I always say that. Management doesn't watch the news.
Did they think that if they crossed the red light together, they wouldn't be afraid?

What's next?
UnArchived Just Dance
UnArchived Guitar Hero
UnArchived Hottub
UnArchived Gamble
UnArchived Police Brutaly
Nah Never.

a lack of respect for those who make music and fight against copyright.

btw, if you call yourself a singer/songwriter, whether in the US, Japan, or Korea, you need to register your name. If you don't do that, you are just calling yourself that. Not Licensed fucko

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

>>14352451
watame already was the most valuable

I forgot one more thing, there's a 10 day limit in the US from DMCA, and xQc is abusing that.

Will Cover Inc do the same thing? I don't recommend it.

If you want to find out more, go ahead.
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

>>14389638
That only works for jp music through JASRAC. Gura would fucking kill herself before singing an anison karaoke.

>>14392177
>JASRAC is all anison
The absolute state of entards.

Why cant we have nice things

>>14392741
Because of money and the imaginary value applied to it

Can't they just not save the archive?

>>14389638
Polka is smart and self-sufficient, Gura relies on managers for everything and it's proven that they are obscenely incompetent.

>>14391330
Movie industry and big pharma are my guesses.
>>14388910
>FIFY
They are laws that have been perverted to become monopoly licenses from the governments. It is a form of legalized racketeering. The most vocal defenders of copyright are estates, financial firms who never created the original work and want the gravy train to last forever.The legal firms are also in play as it acts as job-income security.
In a way,

>>14350467
As people have mentioned it will be really expensive. But even if you throw money at them it doesn't really work. Execs will negotiate for exclusivity to cockblock other labels as part of the deal.

>mfw I backed up all holosings and my chuuba's karaoke streams when hololive goes full copyright

Why bother with permissions? Just sing Calli's cringe songs forever lmao.

>>14396189
*Laugh at you*

>>14391922
>Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

what?

>>14399986
*cums on you*

>>14347717
nah

>>14392479
>JASRAC
>BUT WHAT ABOUT MUH FAIR USE
yea you can't fucking salvage these retards, let them sink

>>14369166
Mickey Mouse should also be a public domain character but well Jews will be jews

>>14389638
Didnt Polka has to private last stream eventhought it was an archived one?

>>14390104
>streams
They have NND that literally lets you take a MV and post it with your singing but I guess they know Americans and Bri'ish will get upsted of having to learn how to use a new website despite being pretty easy.
>concerts
What do you think its SPWN and NND?

>>14408550
in the last stream she was taking request for songs to sing, so some of the songs she did not have the rights to yet. Once she gets the rights she will unprivate most likely.

>>14347717
How did it music copyright get so convoluted from the simple good ol days

>>14409887
It was always this jewish, regular people just weren't involved until the internet came and made everyone a distributor

You absolute retards. Holo ID already went through this. This just means they have to properly license the songs they want to sing and also buy some karaoke tracks instead of finding them off Youtube.