/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>14330457
How many Hololive girls even do unarchived karaoke? None of the JP girls who I follow do it, they just sing the approved anime songs.

>>14330492
hopefully it hurts EN the most.

>Moving to twitch to avoid music DMCAs
lolmao next you're going to say they should start exclusively selling their original music on spotify.

>>14330457
Retards should have made their own site a long time ago and just multistream to youtube.
Its not even remotely hard to do they are just fucking stupid.

>>14330457
why no more unarchived karaoke?

>>14331012
susan couldn't kill hololive with sub culling, now they're escalating

>>14331012
Cover is retarded is basically the summary of it all.

>>14330492
EN and ID almost only do unarchived

>>14330492
It fucks with EN, ID, Haachama, and Gen 6.

>>14330457
I blame this guy https://twitter.com/Fwiz/status/1466890519301165058

this will really fuck over the indies and small corpos

>>14331171
no it wont Cover is just being retarded as usual.

>>14331065
Sure sure nijisister

>>14331171
Good

>>14330457
>Moving to twitch
Yeah theirs copyright system is just as bad

>>14331171
probably not, hololive specifically gets targeted by a lot of the bots, like back during the capcom fiasco

What is even the context for this thread? Someone link a tweet or stream or article or something.

>>14331171
Except indies and small corpos won't be affected by it, especially indies, they do not have to do unarchived anything. They can do anything they want.

oh god please no

>>14331396
Watame only sings approved songs.

>>14331331
Ame rrat
>>14331396
JP is fine this only effects EN really.

>>14331331
From the Irys stream that just ended, she said they're "changing the rules" about unarchived karaoke so she can't even sing the eurobeat remix of her own song

>>14331396
Jap songs those are under jasrac

>>14331431
I have to say, Cover is utterly retarded because it seems they have zero understanding at how Content ID works.

>depressed by issues with getting them 3D
>frustrated over strict game permissions
>now no unarchived karaoke
Gura is going to quit isn't she?

>>14331431
Do you have the timestamp to get her exact words?

Wait shit really? Unarchived karaokes are unironically some of EN's best content

No more ame solv singing
Condolences teamates

>>14331567
Thats why Cover wants them gone. Need to sabotage EN as hard as they can per usual.

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>>14331606
Same answer, ask again next year.
Oh and the guy PLAY THE ENTIRE VOD ON HIS STREAM

I stopped listening to karaokes months ago, most of these girls can't sing worth a damn, they're much better in literally any other stream.

>Can't sing unarchived Disney anymore
>APEX is dying
Seaweed is gonna have to find a new niche because his current two are gone.

>>14331358
Indies are actually affected by ContentID much harder, Ninaninin has gotten strikes on a bunch of her karaoke archives

>>14331672
Oh wow it's fucking nothing

>>14330457
Damn I really hope twitch will dogeza in yagoo's face begging them to move to twitch, getting hololive will be a big gateway for twitch breakthrough in the far east and also redeem the recent snatch YT Gaming does on their top streamers

>>14331672
So it’s just a matter of how far Cover is willing to go to enforce it. That’s a good sign.

>>14331672
>Ollie said

Unarchived karaoke streams don't even do anything since Content ID still scans the privated VOD, meaning any matches can be subject to copyright claims and copyright strikes.

I mean technically speaking singing songs you don't have the rights for doesn't just become fine suddenly because it's unarchived. You are still breaking the law and infringing the rights of whoever owns the music. The fact that you delete the evidence that your broke the law afterwards doesn't make it better if anything it indicates you knew you were in the wrong but are doing it anyway.

You should probably count it as lucky that they became stricter on this proactively this time instead of waiting until girls started getting banned out of the blue and then going into panic mode and deleting half their channels.

>>14331524
https://youtu.be/QkBHQONp5VQ?t=11014

>>14331874
the point of unarchived is the streamer doesn't earn any money from performing the song, which makes it legal in america but japanese corporate autism gets in the way again

>>14331672
>Ollie said in May

Yeah totally the same thing that's happening right now, in December

>>14330457
id ask whats haachama going to do now but we all know rules have no power over her

>>14331975
yes
Exactly the same wording
It's from their managers
But the question is...
Will they enforce it?
Will the girls comply to Cover's decree?

Hang on how does this apply to hololive? Are they changing the terms and conditions on the Japanese side?

Because Singing your own cover of a song counts as fair use in the west and people have been uploading their covers of songs since youtube fucking started. There is no way they're getting rid of this.

Cover is also stupidly overprotective with how they handle karaoke streams. I listen to karaoke streams from various other VTubers from multiple different agencies, and their management either actually do the work to get permissions for songs (JASRAC, English songs, etc.) or they just eat the claim and lose the monetization for the particular stream. I've never seen any actual copyright strikes from any VTuber/VSinger that I follow for their karaoke streams. It just seems Cover either doesn't want to put the work in for expanded permissions (laziness) or don't want to accept the claims and lose monetization (greed).

The bot only does copyright claim right? Can they just do an unarchived membership stream instead

What happened?

>>14331956
I don't think it works that way,. You are still infringing the owners rights by publicly performing and distributing the music without any license from them to do so. The fact that you prevent yourself making money on it might mitigate the severity of the offense but you still aren't paying the appropriate fees to liscense those songs for live performances to be distributed to an audience.

>>14332189
Fucker learn to read.
Cover is retarded.

>>14331874
for decades cover bands have existed without any issues

>>14332211
Which agencies? Niji EN already banned unarchived English songs and I'm pretty sure they can sing all songs covered by JASRAC for JP.

>>14332105
Ok and in that instance did a big name streamer get suspended live streaming due to copyright issues? Because that's likely what these changes are about.

>>14331874
The voice of the singer is owned by cover
The stream is owned by cover
The vtuber avatar and backgrounds is owned by cover
The instrumental used in the song is uploaded onto YouTube without copyright issue
And the stream itself is unmonetized
English covers fall under fair use in the west
Cover has an expansive list of Japanese permissions

There is nothing illegal happening. Unless you argue that singing a song to your family and a neighbor overhearing it is a copyright yab, the same thing but to a larger audience that can't superchat you shouldn't be bad.

If somehow, copyright is so fucked that this IS illegal, than /pol/ was right and the music industry and everybody in it needs to be destroyed.

>>14332318
So I assume anycolor actually had lawyers look at if it was ok or not and they realized they could still be liable even if the archives were deleted while cover just half assess it and realizes at a later date that they might actually be liable. Kind of like what happened with superchat on video games except this time cover handled it better and actually changed the rules before the girls they manage get in shit because of it. Actually protecting them and doing their job of making sure they don't have issued like this.

>>14332271
Shut up you fucking jew
lol

>>14332403
For music there are many different rights. There is the right to perform a song, there is the right to record that performance, there is the right to distribute that performance, and a seperate right to distribute that performance if it is accompanied by a video too. Fair use is a thing when it comes to covering songs but this only applies where the use of the music is not commercial in nature or for profit. Now you can argue that the nature of Hololive using the music is not for profit if they don't take superchat and delete the archive but there is definitely a strong argument to be made that its commercial. People are literally using it while performing their role as part of a commercial enterprise and growing their fanbase and future profit by doing so.

>>14332261
>Youtube gets a deal with Twitch streamer to move over
>Gives said Twitch streamer a copyright strike for a short clip he immediately closed
>And again
>And a third one, getting him banned
Basically Cover thought "If a guy they invited gets it this bad, we're sitting on a damn timebomb and need to pull out."

>>14332433
>Headcanon
Yeah just say you're full of shit then, I want proof of this agency who eats the ban as you say or have full permission for English songs like you say.

>>14332571
>Fair use is a thing when it comes to covering songs but this only applies where the use of the music is not commercial in nature or for profit.
Bullshit because there's Youtube channels whose entire existence is singing covers for songs. Do you mean to tell me people with hundreds of thousands of subscribers are fully demonetized and do not make a cent from these songs?

>but there is definitely a strong argument to be made that its commercial. People are literally using it while performing their role as part of a commercial enterprise and growing their fanbase and future profit by doing so.
So this one. If a homeless busker out on the street and all he has is a shitty guitar and a voice to try and earn a few dollars a jew can sue him for it?
And if he decides to try and get a little bit popular by uploading a cellphone camera video onto a library computer for Youtube he can get double sued?
Thats beyond bullshit.

>>14332403
Covers / performing a cover live, like a cover band does, isn't very difficult license-wise, even for-profit, but releasing the cover in a video format including YT videos and streaming, requires a synchronization license which are usually the hard/expensive ones to get. See also >>14332571

I wish I was making this stuff up but it is that fucked.

>>14331824
What if they delete the VOD instead of privating it?

>>14331956
>https://youtu.be/QkBHQONp5VQ?t=11014
She's talking specifically about eurobeat.

>>14331672
Say that to the Hololive Sings channel that was terminated. He was the only verfied channel thatnwas uploading unarchived karaokes. Takedown came from Hololive themselves

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>>14332105
It's definitely not "nothing" seeing that IRyS just said that there were some changes in the rules and she can't sing Eurobeat anymore, not even in unarchived streams. It's unclear whether it was Cover's decision or Youtube's, though, and what the changes were (i.e: are they limited to just Eurobeat, or is it English songs in general?)
>>14332189
Fair use doesn't actually cover singing your cover of a song. Companies generally just don't give a fuck about striking individual streamers

>>14332741
If it was specifically about Eurobeat she wouldn't have said you'll be hearing it from other Holos as well

>>14332809
>Fair use doesn't actually cover singing your cover of a song
Actually it does
Source: I have a law degree I dont use.

>>14332848
She's referring to unofficial covers

>>14330457
Oh nonononono how will Moona incline now? Unarchived karaoke is the only thing that gets her going.. Pekora abandoned her, getting shit number on Minecraft.. Is this why she spammed Unarchived karaoke lately??? IF this does happen, Ollie will be #1 of HoloID!!!

>>14332318
Here's two examples

Hien Madoka (Megalight)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPmveRTsMvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_T58H-gcAQ

Suzushiro Cocone (NePro)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhQix2kO-FI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHpOXAS7jRo

>>14332318
So basically, this is similar to what happened to Mio (which led to the Holocaust) before? Niji followed the rules even though it's to their disadvantage, while Cover tried to ignore it until it's too late?

>>14332920
Ollie’s been #1 holo ID.
Moona lost her edge when she flipped a shit at her fans for saying “Hey Moona!” too much and never collabing with Pekora again.

Ollie on the other hand interacts with and collars with everyone. And she also isn’t a bitch.

>>14332656
I don't understand, I seriously don't understand. There have been so many situations where jewtube fucks up. Copyright strikes, bans for no reason, not counting viewers, unsubscribing random people. And now they do this "deal" with that streamer and they basically tell him to go fuck himself. Who fucks up that badly, are real people actually working at Youtube? How the fuck can someone be so detached, distracted and negligent. One of the biggest companies in the world and they can't provide basic services to the users that keep their platform alive. Actual retards.

>>14332983
When it comes to music there's no "its too late". Even if Cover holocausted version 2 right now they could still get sued to oblivion because they gained popularity and money from past streams.
The fact that they aren't already in court by every jewish record label means there's nothing illegal being done. Its either very fishy YouTube terms and conditions changes that are upcoming or Cover is doing a retard.

>>14331739
>no Disney
>no kpop
>no Queen

Is there anything equivalent to JARSAC for western music. I've heard about ASCAP and HLA but not sure how far-reached their repertoire are
verification not required

>>14333016
One would expect Youtube to flag Ludwig account with a "Special Treatment! Do Not Touch" flag after signing a millions dollars contract with him. Guess they are just that dumb. It's just hillarious that the guy said "Now I can stream music without worrying" in an interview right before moving over, too.

>>14333053
just a pro tip pretty much every single music copywrite claim is complete bullshit and youtube and twitch only do the because they get so much money from the labels.
There is literally nothing legally wrong with having music on stream or in a video where its not the main focus.

>>14333016
They're owned by Google now
Google makes so much money that YouTube can be a money sink and they'll still pour money to keep it afloat because all these rules, conditions, bans, etc are used to promote propaganda.

If you live in the USA or Canada clear your browser history, log out of YouTube, and look at the front page of YouTube. Before it used to be what was ACTUALLY gaining popularity and what people were ACTUALLY clicking like and subscribe on in real time.
Now its news, """comedy""" shows like jimmy fallon, and completely """random""" videos where in the comments you all see "Thank you Youtube Algorithm". People wern't clicking on that random video before so in the old system it wouldn't get traction. Its being hand picked by YouTube staff to fill up space so stuff they don't want to make the front page doesnt.

Its too bad alternative platforms either collapse on their own or become the house of rejects where everybody banned from YT goes to hide. Which are usually nazis and conspiracy tards. So therefore that place gets labeled as "toxic" and either never grows or gets pressured to adopt the same rules as YouTube.

>>14333016
That's what happened when you let retarded AI that coded by retarded pajeets to take the charge and stubornly refuse to fix it up despite many bugs it exhibits

>>14332211
Cover hates losing monetization even on a single video. That's why they tend to not allow them to play games unmonetazed.

>>14332983
Holocaust happens because it's cover decision to nuke their own archives, brapfish tried to 'skirt' the rules and get striked for her trouble and selen can't continue her RE4 run because of capcom.

Subtle day 2 faggot raid. I wish you used your brain for something positive.

>>14333226
Capcom is the fucking worst. I still remember how they got Mio put on a month suspension, just to realize how great the free advertising actually is and make her play their stupid crane game.

Fuck capcom. Bunch of niggers.

>>14333016
The funniest thing is he made a tearful video saying Youtune's negotiators cared about him more than Twitch's and now he's getting striked up his ass by the uncaring bots.

>>14333083
https://help.songtrust.com/knowledge/the-us-has-the-harry-fox-agency-but-what-are-the-other-global-mechanical-societies
JASRAC also has an agreement with Harry Fox, so theoretically Cover, Anycolor, etc. should be able to negotiate through JASRAC to gain licenses to songs that Harry Fox covers.

>>14332948
How do this even works? are you telling me some small company can get EN Songs permission while the 2 biggest vtubers agencies can't? or is this the eat the monetization things? because holo and niji simply get a strike from making it archived.

>>14332700
Yeah. Copyright law is fucking stupid, but only if you're aggressive about it, in which the music industry and disney famously are

>>14333131
>There is literally nothing legally wrong with having music on stream or in a video where its not the main focus.
It violates IP laws. Sure, you can counter with "fair use", but that has to be established in court, which is expensive, and copyright holders are typically the ones with the deep pockets that can afford court cases.

>>14333153
Youtube wasn't owned by google only for 1 year after it came out tho. They've maintained the platform because of ads and superchats that came out in 2017. And yes, there are a lot of normie vids and clips, but there is definitely more un-normie vids on the platform. And if they want to make it more "kid friendly" a better alternative version is to make a more effective filtration algorithm. Man, I'm just worried about all of the copyright shit, restrictions and the shit managing that their making. I don't want another Holo-caust to happen, that shit was grim.

>>14333449
They don't have permission. They are just so insignificant that nobody is going to notice they are breaking the law and make the effort to manually come after them personally. While Cover and Anycolor with their much larger public profile likely need to be me careful as there are far more eyes on what they are doing and they are both big enough companies that suing them might actually make you some good money.

>>14333609
>Holocaust
>All vods with unarchived songs are deleted already

>>14332948
Anon they are small as fuck they don't make money from VODs so they don't care about demonetization.

>>14333636
But why now? What changed?

The unarchived streams have worked well thus far. Is YouTube cracking down or something? Bots detecting music? I mean how would they even know?

>>14333656
This time it will be a clip channel and vid archive holocaust. Which cover always had the right to do but secretly want all the unarchived shit out there for people to enjoy and support the chubba.

>>14333656
I don't understand, you mean the privated karaokes got deleted so they can't stream them again?

>>14333721
No idea. Maybe they decided to take a closer look at their liability in light of the fact that NijiEN decided not to allow unarchived karaoke of English songs from day 1 and came to the conclusion they shouldn't be doing it also? Or maybe they were just doing an internal review of their legal liabilities and saw that there was an oversight here.

>>14333755
Yeah, is this why they nuked holosings?

>>14333822
Probably.

>>14333758
I mean they can't strike a vod that doesn't exist and cover can't purge an archive twice since they already deleted it.

>>14333449
If you check the video description, you can see if claims exist on the video or not. If so, it's subject to whatever rules the copyright owners set up in Content ID (usually it's just run ads and take all the ad revenue, though sometimes they'll also do region blocking so that the VOD is only viewable in certain countries). Holo and Niji don't get strikes from what I've seen either; videos of some archived karaoke that get hit by claims become not viewable because the copyright owner set up rules in Content ID to block the video from being watched.

>>14332782
There's definitely something more to it, maybe cover is getting threatened over videos on clipfag channels
https://mobile.twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1463843287408775171
https://mobile.twitter.com/moricalliope/status/1463847931916681217

I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF THE SONG IS FREE TO LISTEN ON YOUTUBE, OTHER PEOPLE MAKE COVERS OF IT, BUT WHEN A CUTE CHUBBA SINGS IT IN A KARAOKE STREAM OH NO IT SUDDENLY ISN'T UP TO CODE. NAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK OFF

>>14333851
This is why im curious about whats happening.

Either:
A) YouTube is rolling out a bot that watches live-streamers in real time and shuts the stream down anytime a yab is detected. Before this would only happen when people mass report like antis did to coco
B) The jews did something with copyright. Its probably disneys fault
C) Cover is over-panicking after that guy YouTube stole from Twitch got banned immediately due to music
D) YouTube hate vtubers and the terms and conditions aren't actually anything about laws or legality and are just meant to fuck you over in the name of "making YouTube a more inclusive place"

Pick one. They're all bad.

>>14333968
It's C.

>>14333968
C with a dash of D mixed in

The fact that anycolor wouldn't allow their EN talents to sing EN songs unarchived due to rights issues from the start of the branch makes me think Cover was just ignoring the law while it benefits them again. Why would Niji intentionally nerf their talents against Hololive when they need all the help they can get if there wasn't a solid basis in the law for doing things that way?

>>14333968
>Before this would only happen when people mass report like antis did to coco
She deserved it though.

>>14334161
>Niji Good and not Greed
>Cover bad and greedy
Fuck off retard, Niji stopped doing this because they got striked, they are not law-abiding right respeting saints you make them out to be .

>>14334160
Other way around

Susan and the rest of Jewtube can't stand the fact that vtubers (mainly Hololive and Nijisanji) are mogging the normie streamers that they dished out multi million dollar contracts for. They will do everything they can to hamper the success of vtubers to make their chosen ones look better.

>>14334208
NijiEN has never been allowed to sing English songs unarchived as long as the branch exists. They didn't stop doing it, they never started doing it.

>>14334161
Maybe copyright shit applies differently to songs depending on the country they were published. They probably wanted to be safe just in case.

>>14334244
See what I mean, you don't fucking know what you are saying, go to playboard or lurk more retard.

>>14333968
The law is irrelevant to youtube. If they decided that no-one can sing copyrighted songs on stream then that's it.

>>14334241
What about, listen to this crazy idea, they actually help and benefit the vtubers that are pulling so many people to Youtube, win win.

>>14334282
I do know what I am talking about. NijiEN do unarchived karaoke even still now but it has never been English songs. It's just unarchived because they don't want the archive. None of the members performs English songs on those streams. They specifically talk about how management has told them they're not allowed to because of rights issues and have done so from the start of the branch existing.

>>14334282
Show me 1 instance. Selen has been fighting for english song perms for EN.

>>14331956
>everyone is conveniently ignoring the timestamp

>>14334290
That will never happen. Susan just runs youtube but the platform is basically controlled by advertisers. Virtual anime girls is not advertiser friendly for the big boy mainstream advertisers so the entire audience is one that youtube doesn't want. If you aren't part of a mainstream target demographic you might as well not exist and the fact that this dead demographic mogs their big money streamers probably makes them angry.

>>14334410
What is your definition of big money streamers? Because the last time I checked Hololive as whole are the highest earners on the platform.

>>14334516
Streamers that are advertiser friendly and attract the big advertisers. Hololive brings in the largest number of superchats by a long shot but that is a pittance compared to big advertiser money. Hololive isn't advertiser friendly content so youtube doesn't care that much about it.

>>14334330
>>14334345
Then why the fuck did finana get struck by SME then? is it more illegal if what you're doing is English song? I thought the issue is what they are doing is legal or not.

>>14334380
Rrats thrive on ignorance and misinformation. Also, have any other Holos done Eurobeat karaoke? If that’s the case, then it’s probably Eurobeat-specific, rather than a blanket ban. Plus it seems like Cover wants the girls to clear at least some songs with their managers first, considering Mumei felt the need to message hers before singing Candy Store, even if that one had more to do with the lyrics.

Can't cover move their hq to the us or some shit and skirt some of these retarded japanese bullshit laws? Not commifornia or jewyork though, those places would fuck everything up even more. Hell, couldn't they just do it on paper or something? God I hate all these bullshit laws that fuck up simply playing video games or allowing someone to hear you sing a song. Retarded shit, all of it.

>>14334643
That wasn't a strike, that was a copyright claim. SME has rules set up in Content ID such that any video hit with a claim from them is region blocked; the VOD was still watchable in Japan. I've seen numerous VTubers get hit with SME claims from Content ID and they usually just edit the VOD.

>>14330457
You faggots are a bunch of gossiping women. I’ll wait until Kiara says something about this.

>>14334787
Welcome to the world of IP laws. They were bullshit when they were initially legislated and they remain bullshit to this day, regardless of what country you live in.

>>14334838
Yes, and one can argue for English karaoke they usually just edit the VOD by erasing all the English songs which means deleting the VOD.

>>14334909
They weren't that bad when they started out, and if things had gone better they could have ironed things out to fix the problems it did have. Instead an army of lawyers get involved when shit stains realized the sheer volume of crap they could monopolize if they fucked everything up even more, hence Disney's favorite pastime being browsing catalogs for the shiniest new lawyers money can buy.

>>14334903

>>14335017
The thing is they typically don't delete the VOD; unarchived karaoke streams are privated, meaning they're still subject to Content ID and copyright owners can file copyright strikes if they wanted to.

>>14335058
The very concept of IP is bullshit to begin with, but that's a discussion beyond the scope of this board.

>>14333968
So all of the above?

>>14332700
>all he has is a shitty guitar and a voice
You might not have realized it, but this is an important factor. The original recording itself has it's own copyright too, which would be another license you'd need to get if you wanted to use it. So your busker would be better off than the girls singing to the existing instrumental tracks. It's also why their cover song videos have newly created instrumentals.

>>14334787
They're still run by Japanese businessmen. The main issue is that there is too much ownership of things by people other than creators and consumers. Literally every game has as part of you buying and playing their game, an agreement that you won't do it for money or as a public display. Nobody enforces that (except Nintendo on occasion), but if every publisher decided tomorrow that only designated people were allowed to stream their game and everyone else is now in violation of their copyright, they absolutely could.

>>14335306
>It's also why their cover song videos have newly created instrumentals.
And we still have precedents when actual original songs get sued for bullcrap similarities like a "similar melodic phrase with a kinda similar timbre". The way legal system works is if you monetize your music in some way, you are 100% eligible to get sued, and it's only a question of whether a potential plaintiff wants to file a complaint. Stuff like unarchiving, recording a new instrumental etc. simply makes it harder, more expensive, but far from impossible for a plaintiff to win the case.

>>14335071
This screenshot was conveniently taken out of context. That was long ago.

Meanwhile Kson can sing English songs with SC enabled lmao

>>14335500
Then how the fuck does Cover or Niji for that matter still exist? Practically everything they do could get snatched from them and they'd be out of business over night. The way things have been going lately they probably will at that. Hell, I saw a few game "journalists" talking about pushing for fucking streaming licenses being required for singular people on something like twitch that could be revoked by the game maker at any time. Seems right up people like EA, Bethesda, Capcom, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft and pretty much all the big companies alley to do that.

>>14335796
They actually obtain permission from game publishers individually to stream the games before doing so. Hence why the selection of games is often so limited and sometimes they ignore big new releases that would certainly draw big viewer numbers entirely while indies and people at places like vshojo will play them no problem.

>>14330457
Oh no... what ever would Cover do.
If only there was a holo who just pays for all the rights to the karaoke songs she sings and archives them all.

Jasrac has a lot of english songs covered under them. Cover can reach out to harry fox for permission and licenses too.

>>14335873
Is this Polka's time to shine? God I hope Cover would be as competent as her manager but alas it will never happen

>>14334167
Oh nyo taiwan.

>>14330457
Has anyone except for IRyS talked about it? anyone cancelled their upcoming unarchives?

>>14334410
>>14334241
Makes you wonder why twitch unlike some other amerimutt brands like KFC, Taco Bell, XBOX, Discord dared to approach Cover and just try to make them twitch exclusives unless there's JP law blocking it

I'll probably drop corpo chuubas entirely if they won't do unarchived Karaokes anymore. I don't watch gaymen streams because I'm not autistic and I would rather play they game they're struggling to complete rather than watching them, well aside from LA Noire and GTA5 which are always a treat to watch on stream

>>14336194
No, you are extremely autistic.
You don't watch them for the game, but the interaction.

>>14336164
Never going to happen, same big boy advertisers and copyright owners to appease as Youtube.

>>14336274
>watching a concert is more autistic than watching someone play a game that you're better off playing it yourself anyway

>>14336361
No, but being you is more autistic

>>14336194
>I'll probably drop corpo chuubas entirely if they won't do unarchived Karaokes anymore
me too

>>14336164
I still think the Taco Bell thing was an accident. I think some guy on the marketing team is probably a Gura fan who threw that little shot in as a cameo because the ad campaign was very anime influenced. However, then it blew up on the internet and Cover probably sent them an email and allowing Gura to shill Taco Bell for an hour for a nominal fee was probably the compromise. That marketing guy probably got fired, lol.

>>14335698
Yesterday Ori prechat is long ago?

>>14336384
>>>/v/ is 2 blocks down

>>14335853
Having your LLC registered in the United States has its perks

>>14333951
Blame ip laws, they only protect big companies and fuck the small creator.

>>14336194
The game is filler and background, I'm there for the zatsudan

>>14336355
from amerimutt pov sure but remember, twitch has been trying for years to break into the eastern market, and hololive is both a JP giant and pretty noticeable in the west, I don't think they'll waste that chance as a payback for YT trying to take their giants

>>14336484
No Gura talked about it being in the works and Ame said Gura told her about it before the ad launched.

>>14337352
Maybe

I just feel that if it was a true ad campaign that Gura would be on the in store posters and on the box and stuff like that. No sign of her anywhere other than that split second cameo.

>>14336164
YouTube’s agenda is different and on a separate scale from everyone else’s. Yum brands, Nissin, Xbox just want to sell their shit and if a cute loli shark girl helps them do that then so be it.

>>14337009
The problem is that the quality of zatsu these days are kind of bad at least for Holos. They have to keep themselves clean from any controversy because of so many prying eyes wanting them to pull them down and I can see that. Hell, Haachama used to nonchalantly tell her story in SEAniggerland before deleting that video from her catalog. Cover is stifling everyone's creativity and fun out of necessity and it annoys me for the longest time. Hololive wasn't supposed to blow up like this. I wish I can go back in time and enjoy Holos at their fullest potential again

>>14332782
They can only get a copyright strike over archived content.

>>14337547
Lol what did you want Gura to be included in the nacho fries ad animation voice and all?

>>14331739
If only 2042 hadn't flopped and Valorant was actually good and not the bastard child of CS and Overwatch...

>>14332782
Verified channel with Hololive in the name, that retard should have been struck a long time ago.

>>14333016
If you have ever had a business relationship with Google it would make more sense to you.
The company I work for (15bn annual revenue) have an extensive cloud computing contract with them, and they are absolute dogshit to deal with.

>>14337762
Valorant is good for esports but not for streaming/community tourneys like APEX.

>>14335726
Not for long, considering how big she is on the sub count it's likely they'll go after her as well.

>>14337771
Has he ever made a backup of the songs over at other sites like SoundCloud or torrents?

>>14337844
That I'm aware, still. It's a bummer there isn't a direct replacement for the seaweed to play.

Manager-sans can start earning their paychecks and iron out this shit

>>14333968
>the terms and conditions aren't actually anything about laws or legality and are just meant to fuck you over
This is most online services nowadays, they have some clause in their TOS that basically says "we reserve the right to ban you at any time for any reason" or something vague enough to that effect. That way they keep up this facade of fairness and stability to the creators but in reality if you ever do something they really don't like then you're out of a job. Then you get retarded pajeets in a content moderation sweatshop looking at reported content and enforcing these vague rules in arbitrary ways, then denying appeals and you're just fucked unless you can make a big enough stink on social media, which is something foreign to Japanese companies, so they'd rather just take every measure not to do anything that could even be construed as TOS-breaking.

>>14332448
Simply because it sucks doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

>>14330457
i'm ready

>>14337547
Taco Bell doesn't have a kids menu in the same way that Wendy's, BK and McDonald's do. They also do not do brand promotions that aren't actual for-sale products like gaming consoles and video games.

Under such conditions, how do you suppose Gura gets introduced into their restaurant environments?

>>14331331
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTOVreSfoVY

Yeah shitty clipper but it's Irys saying it directly. Don't know if there's any context lost from the clip.

Ya know, the nijiEN girls where told they couldn't sing in english at all, not even unarchived, although niji is part of sony music.
That said, I wonder if it has to do with all the retarded copyright laws, like in Japan most of the music is gotten from one place whereas in the US theres like a billion companies.

>>14341519
Which is why they decided to "you know what? let's just make our own" they have like 5 EN songs of their own rn

>>14332318
>Niji EN already banned unarchived English songs
How long ago was this? I don't keep a close eye on Elira but I really wanted to hear some english karaoke from her, I didn't realize it was a legal issue instead of her just wanting to sing only JP stuff.

>>14341617
Which they cant sing right away.
Yes permissions are THAT FUCKING STUPID.
>>14341618
Since day 1, they cant sing english songs at all.

>>14333016
They are so big and profitable they don't have to care about audience or content creators. They only care about other megacorporations. Start using other video services to end their monopoly.

>>14333609
google maintains youtube because it's a fucking treasure trove of data that they can use in their other lines of business
youtube itself is a money pit, even with ads

>>14334167
Tiananmen

>>14341657
>since day 1
yeah, my bad, I see other people clarified later. I should have read more of the thread before asking

>>14334410
>>14334623
This is true. Youtube and globohomo will try to fuck over vtubers because they are feminine and make guys long for a beautiful feminine wife. They are also attractive. You cannot have that, they have just flown under their radar so far.

>>14332403
>And the stream itself is unmonetized
>memberships are open
dyrbi

do you think any vtuber has the technical knowledge to upload their own karaoke as torrents (using some account with no ties of course) or would they only ever rely on community archiving and it's too risky to do it themselves?

>>14343370
I think that's something the fans might have to do themselves.

>>14341519
>I wonder if it has to do with all the retarded copyright laws
It's always retarded copyright laws

Lol, no unarchived karaoke means a massive viewer drop for EN.