/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>a big tit deadfish with VA skills that she beats like a dead horse, and literally nothing else.
>sana, who doesnt even draw on stream because Ina doesnt want to lose her niche
>mumei, who sings like a negress for some reason
>average as fuck ASMRtist (if you can even call that a talent)
>ollie clone
>quite literally 1 sense of humour, shared between all 5 of them, and 0 personality from all of them.

en1 has way more fuckin talent.
>gura- born entertainer and unmatched at improv, wonderful singer. voice is naturally asmr
>Ina, can draw, also natural asmr
>Ame, equally entertaing as gura and actually funny regularly, makes up for lack of talent, with immense creativity in making fun streams
>Kiara, can draw, can sing, unbelievably extroverted , stamina as fuck can stream for entire lengths of a day, and is the most productive
>Calli, equally talented as Kiara, but produces music that is not actually bad
>personalities are unbelievably colorful and mixed, its a miracle they get along so well. Truly a motley crew, their presence and group image is iconic.

>>14118949
How do we fix the quality of shitty bait threads like this on /vt/?

>>14118949
>How do we fix The Council?
replace omega with someone who doesn't shut down their ideas

Go back in time a year and replace Ina with Pomu. Council's members become part of Nijien instead, Kiara gets a tentacle-friend who is also an idolfag.

>>14119037
Stop replying to them, and learn to sage

>>14118949
Putting omega in charge of them ruined any possibility the group had of growing, simple as.

>>14118985
>Posted 1 minute after OP.

>>14119064
This

>>14119064
Is the tranny the new scapegoat for everything related to EN? Is it just easier to pin all lackluster aspects of them on to him instead of just accepting that they are sub-par vtubers?

Move Mumei in Myth and fire rest.

>Good designs ruined by shitty lore
>Any chance at growth ruined by shitty management decisions

>>14118949
>get rid of Omeg-
Ok actually that is done, at least for now if he is just busy with XIV.

>stop spamming breaks and acting like it's been a years-long buildup of overwork that is leading you to mental breakdowns only fucking 2-3 months in
We'll see about that.

>stop trying to debuff themselves
Kronii get your ass back on Minecraft. You know you wanna.

>>14119531
I mean you're right, there is way too much blamed on him but at the same time it's clear he has denied several attempts they have made to be unique and interesting in contrast to Myth who were allowed to do whatever they needed to catch attention.

Maybe old Omega wasn't as controlling and was relatively new to the scene and didn't have ideas on what vtubers should or shouldn't do, maybe Omega is actually several different managers who have changed over the years. We'll never know. The reality is that Council had some pretty good ideas shot down because they weren't playing Minecraft all day while Myth actually got to experiment and found their niche pretty quickly.

>>14119438
having big posts "supporting" OP's bait ready to go right after posting has been a thing for a while.
>>14119531
you still have people saying mumei is this uwu cute retard bait when she has been anything but that since week 2. i'll accept excessive management blaming over people who don't watch streams's opinion.

>>14119651
For me it was all that ominous "management won't let me do literally anything I wanted to for the civilization stuff" with Mumei. I think her own motivation died right there as well hence she just went with "ok you want me to just spam nintendo games and be retarded? I'll do that as little as I possibly have to just to fulfill the contract fuck you." That's the impression I got of what happened with her. As she put it, she literally can't even cover the history of the potato.

>>14118949
Demolish the entire council

>>14118949
Give the rrat the dick.

>>14118985
>ollie clone
That's disingenuous.

>>14118949
How about they actually stream regularly? That would be a good start.

>>14119037
Make /lgbt/ raids /vt/ then shut this place down

>>14119725
I will never understand this. I can maybe understand Civ getting blocked if the rightsholders are cunts but nobody owns the physical history of the potato. It genuinely seems like some out of touch japanese neet faggot trying to tell someone a world away what is popular on English youtube, something he barely understands himself.

>>14119725
Sounds like a bullshit excuse on her part

>>14118985
fpbp
myth unity ftw

>>14120481
It's not, Management doesn't want her touching actual civilization stuff because they walk on eggshells around the subject of China; which would come up no matter how you cut it in a civilization game.
Even going over specific events in history could be offensive to some fucker out there. So they don't want to even touch the subject.

>>14118985
Thread should have ended here. It’s literally the only answer.

>>14119725
Pretty funny that they designed a vtuber around the idea of human civilization but won't let her talk about anything related to humanity because it might offend someone.

>>14120580
Still a bullshit excuse. There are games that Holos play that people get offended by, yet it doesn't stop them from playing them.

>>14118985
>sana, who doesnt even draw on stream because Ina doesnt want to lose her niche
That is NOT why. Sana said she'd usually draw for 20 hours a day, god forbid wanting to do something else for once

>>14120679
What games are those?

>>14120481
what'd be the logic behind saying you wanna do history streams on debut and then bullshitting that you had all your progress on setting it up be shot down by management?

>>14120481
>>14120679
It is a little, she could get around it by simply not portraying OUR civilization. IE Something that is Humanity Fuck Yeah like Heroes of Might and Magic or any Warhammer game. A little bit of out-of-the-box thinking could salvage the concept but unfortunately, that's asking Mumei to think.

>>14120726
Just looking at the current games being streamed in the past couple of days:
Pokemon - people got offended that it promotes animal cruelty.
Big Brain Academy - people got offended that these types of games falsely advertise the games "training" your brain. This is legit why Nintendo did not release Brain Age for Switch in the US, look it up.
Undertale - Need I say more?

>>14120785
Not even that would be foolproof. Could you picture trying to play Highfleet, for instance?

>>14120729
Laziness?

>>14118949
Turn back time and redebut them like Gen 6 and remove all the garbage chuuni trailer lore dogshit

>>14120854
you cannot be serious kek

>>14120854
None of these games portray any actual political or socioeconomic hotbutton issues. None of them mention China. None of them mention Japan's role in the world stage. None of them say anything negative or positive about something that's real, rich, and has opinions that can land the company in any real PR water.

>>14120862
What's wrong with Highfleet? The fact it's bathed in Russian allegories?

>>14120580
Omega is a fag, Nijisanji ID has Layla and her character is a historian. She rarely talks about war, because history is not just about shoot, stab and kill bad guy. So far, I haven't heard any yab from her.

For fucks sake, how is potato offensive? Irish Potato Famine? Just don't talk about them, simple.

>>14118985
based, myth is an actual miracle of the universe

>>14121024
Hey I agree with you. I genuinely think it's because Omega is a Japanese man who is utterly terrified of stepping on anyone's toes, because the concept of telling someone to fuck off is simply out of his lexicon.
ID can get away with it because Indonesia is based.

>>14120683
She also said she draws comparatively very slow compared to Ina
Ina pumps out stuff in 3-4 hours, Sana might be triple that

>>14120599
>>14119438
>Thread should have ended with the OP post
big brains

a thread died for this

>>14120993
So? People still get offended at those and other games. Why do they not care about offending those people over actual current real-world issues, but DO care about offending the decedents of a small group of people because of a fucking vegetable? I'm still calling bullshit on it.

>>14120393
Nothing to do with Civ rights, it's about not hurting people's feelings, and probably China too.

>>14121298
Hopefully it was numberfags

>>14121298
there's like 20 chloe threads, it'll be fine

>>14121337
>So? People still get offended at those and other games.
Those people aren't governments.
But I do agree that even worrying about it on english youtube is a fool's game and Cover would rather shoot their talents and their prospects than risk offending a minor goverment official who thinks the potato is actually a sign of western imperialism.

>>14118949
Fixing the council he says...
You can't fix a glass panel when it breaks, you can only turn into a nonsensical mosaic.

>>14118985
I mean, you're right on the myth girl's strong points but does anyone actually find ame as entertaining as gura? She's not nearly as witty and usually just yells swears for her "comedy".

>>14121564
Your obsessive crusade just never ends, does it?

>>14119064
Did troon actually shut down the kusa streams from Sana?

>>14121635
this board gets 26 posts per minute according to 4stats.io, I'm probably not whoever you think I am

>>14121691
We don't know but we do know that they basically vanished with nary a trace for no discernable reason.

>>14121564
I do. Though I'd say Ame is less consistent in her entertainment value.

>>14121564
To me is quite the opposite.
Gura is not entertaining and low effort.
Ame is also not that funny but very chill and relaxing to watch.
Kiara is too energetic for my taste and her voice annoys me.
Calli has the personality of dead fish, music is okay though.
Ina is very chill even if she's a little boring.

>>14118949
Bleach Sana's skin, tell Fauna to focus primarily on ASMR and aggressively promote her in ASMR circles, and get Kronii to take her meds.

>>14118949
make them stream double

>>14121779
Ame's entertainment value is not her comedy. It's how soothing she usually is.
Basically an Okayu of EN with more personality than Ina.
And how she throws that calm behaviour out of the table when playing a rage game.

>HoloCouncil bros losing their minds over (comparatively) low viewership
>Not because they are dialed up to 10 on "corporate friendship" and pre-approved humor
Stop worrying about numbers you fucks, and teach Fauna to not sound like a special needs child or Kronii to resort to the same narcissistic pre-canned conversation quips

>>14118949
Change Mumei and Fauna voice actors for people more entertaining, change Sana design to gyaru style, fire rat for sucking Roberu dick and get someone who isnt as much of a whore.

>>14118949
Why are redditfags and seaniggers watching HoloX instead of council

>>14122001
Fauna sounds like an only slightly exaggerated version of the twee college-educated vegan that she presumably is.

>>14122001
sana being an anti-numberfag that just does her own thing is actually my favorite thing about council, I really don't care if she gets more than ~3k viewers

>>14122001
>or Kronii to resort to the same narcissistic pre-canned conversation quips
Never watched her, does she really

>>14122212
Yea, in her debut + first few streams she milked a few comments on her being perfect. She then took that Narcissus route and it's her failsafe whenever she runs out of actual content, which is often

>>14122318
It's a less a failsafe and more of a running gag, you're just overly cynical about it.

>>14122138
Except she somehow has pretty good taste in games and isn't menhera (in public at least, although member streams are pretty comfy too)

blind, rabid, fanboyism can directly lead to a franchise failing miserably and becoming a horrible, insular shit show. If more fans were critical of what they watched it would make the people in charge to try harder. the problem with holofans is that they consume everything they are given without question and immediately bury any criticism under numbers and great wall copypastas

>>14118949
First of all
>Fire Omega
Then
>Tell Baelz to drop the chaos act/voice and just be herself
>Tell Kronii to completely drop the narcissist act. She's a depressed doomer and it really doesn't fits.
>Sana is fine as long as she doesn't takes another month-long break. Also needs to collab more and improve her content a bit (asstrology and bread are not interesting content)
>Fauna needs to improve her ASMR soon. Her gaming content is good though. Maybe stream more.
>Moomers is fine

>>14120662
Worse if she played Civ against random AI she may have a CHINESE AI and hoo boy that'll rile em up. Coco-tier shitstorm right off the bat.

>>14123920
>blind, rabid, fanboyism can directly lead to a franchise failing miserably and becoming a horrible, insular shit show. If more fans were critical of what they watched it would make the people in charge to try harder. the problem with holofans is that they consume everything they are given without question and immediately bury any criticism under numbers and great wall copypastas
Ok, I want you to take your generalizations and throw them in the toilet where the rest of the shit belongs. If you've been on this board for more than five fucking minutes you should be able to realize that a good amount of criticism comes from a VTubers fanbase, or at least people who want to like them. This entire paragraph is you trying to spin a bullshit rrat to put yourself above a specific fanbase. Fuck off with that shit.

>>14119925
How is she not?

>>14118949
Easy. Fix your own shit, retard.

>>14123982
>Tell Baelz to drop the chaos act/voice and just be herself
She's been doing that for weeks now anon, also she's not really doing a voice it's apparent if you look at her work before she was Bae.

>Tell Kronii to completely drop the narcissist act. She's a depressed doomer and it really doesn't fits.
That's the point, it's a clear departure from her actual personality making it so no one can take it seriously. It's an ironic, dry sense of humor, but I get if that's not your thing.

>How do we fix HoloEN
FTFY

>>14119531
>instead of just accepting that they are sub-par vtubers
they didn't hire themselves

>>14119531
>Is it just easier to pin all lackluster aspects of them on to him instead of just accepting that they are sub-par vtubers?
I'm not sure why you're equating "lackluster aspects" to "sub-par VTubers" when almost all of them lack in some aspects. That's called being human. I do agree Omega has become a scapegoat, though.

>>14118949
>EN debuts lackluster gen full of boring people to peddle a kayfabe that was always too ambitious for anyone but god tier method actors
>JP debuts superstar gen full of adorkable chuunis who are united by a fun edgy kayfabe and have a hilariously vritrolic gen dynamic
Council was equal parts mismanagement and shit casting. They probably won't incline simply they're not autistic enough to go full Naruto headband. You can either live a halfway respectable life or be a good entertainer, and Council just doesn't seem to be willing to sacrifice their reputations for the sake of amusing the masses.

>>14125068
And this is why NijiEN is so successful, they dare to be entertainers who are willing to shame themselves for the viewers.

>>14125068
Anon, you're kneeling to HoloX because they're new and/or Japanese and you literally couldn't make it more obvious without explicitly saying it. I'm glad you like them, but there's a clear bias in how you're spinning the story here. Also, there's two ways to handle a VTuber's lore. You can play it straight and roll with it as much as you can or you can point out how silly it is. HoloX, so far has chosen the former, while Council has chosen the latter. I don't see an issue with either.

>>14120854
Theyre played anyways because nobody cares about the outrage of those games. Do your best not to pay attetion to stupid people, much like most of the posters in this thread.

>>14119531
It's -specifically- because he took credit for everything good for EN. When you're a stupid asshole that basically says EN exists because of your genius, it also means when the talents get horribly mismanaged you're going to be blamed for it too.

>>14125209
You're obviously a falseflagger looking for a bait response here. Way too on the nose, anon.

>>14125068
>>EN debuts lackluster gen full of boring people to peddle a kayfabe that was always too ambitious for anyone but god tier method actors
what a cringeworthy sentence

>>14118985
And then Mumei is debuffed by having the worst fanbase on /vt/ and Kronii is debuffed by being a menhera who couldn't stand being successful (why did you take the job then?) and thus never streams.

There are more complaints than there are solutions in this thread.

>>14125441
>never streams
She's been in four seperate streams this week, two of which were solo. What constitutes never to you? Doesn't seem at all like never to me.

>>14125571
Half of the complaints aren't even valid on top of it. Not that any solution is really needed, since there isn't an actual problem in the first place.

mumei and fauna feel too samey.

>>14125695
How to say you don't watch their streams without saying it.

>>14125441
>worst fanbase on /vt/
That's not kronies, who are now like /jp/ deadbeats

>>14125786
Your right I only watch collab streams where they're basically the same person.

Now post any council schedule

>>14118949
This is becoming worse than Holostars EN timelooping. I feel like I've seen the same thread 3 times in the last week.

>>14118985
>Rrat
>Ollie clone
I know this is pasta, but at least edit a little to make it more believable.

>>14121691
>>14121754
She does it, she just doesn't call it that because imagine asking a developer for permission to play your game for a shitty game segment. She played that Korone game on a monday and that N1 horror game too, I think.

>>14125809
You don't, because they handle situations like Devour, Dead By Daylight, or Phasmo very differently. Fauna gets scared and concerned for her genmates while Mumei has little reaction to scares and openly was screwing with others especially Kronii. Come back after you do your reps.

>>14125342
Post source

>>14125871
Ahh, the sheer joy of a former sad OL who is now paid to have fun...

>>14118949
If Sana was her own mama, her design wouldn't be so criticized.

if i was yagoo id fire omegatroon immediately but the fact of the matter is council was doa, they had to delay their debut by a day killing hype. Debut all on the same day giving no time to talk about each girl and build the community. Announcing them way too early compared to debut letting susan take multiple swings with the ban hammer. The absoloute cringe lore and the miscasting of girls for each role. then not allowing them to live up to lore by shooting down all ideas they have. Sanas design is awful and there is a reason that irys is 10 shades lighter now than when she debut. Letting them take huge breaks at the most critical period of growth has just compounded all the above issues.

tl:dr council never stood a chance and i dont think anything done now will help them

>>14125871
As if it means anything. Why are you so hellbent on hours spent streaming? This is literally just as cancerous and unproductive as numberfagging. It's a meaningless dick-measuring contest, where instead of proving how much better a specific group is to another you're only proving that you're insecure enough to seek validation from others on an anonymous image board about it.

>>14126025
You know, that's probably on to something. A lot of these JP girls have heard or lived the horror stories of OL life or other various garbage, while most of the EN girls have maybe done some retail hell at most so the desperation isn't there.

Bae and Sana should stream more just as a requirement for not wanting to deal with cuntland

>>14126119
Firing Omega and restructuring EN's management to not be worse than JP's will help a ton. If the person helping you on the backstage is as excited for your ideas as you are then growth will happen organically. But if those people are there to only say what you can't do then it's useless. Not everyone has the willpower to go against management and do what they actually wanna do, and unfortunately everyone in Council appears to lack that willpower. And yeah, too much freedom can lead to some stupid ideas that would never work, but a tight leash is not the answer for this.

>>14118949
in order to fix council, (You) have to get off /vt/

>>14118985
Fpbp. You put it into words so well. Myth seems like lightning in a bottle, such variety with each member and it seemed like they could stay the only English gen forever if they had too. Council seem like a bunch of underachievers who wanted to coast on free popularity from hololive.

>>14125695
On a superficial level yeah. A viewer has to the time to notice the differences but peoples attention spans are getting shorter and shorter?

>>14118985
How can EN scouting get the highest of high into.. Council? Management changed the scouting team?

>>14125871

>>14125871
another

>>14126119
>there is a reason that irys is 10 shades lighter now than when she debut
???

>>14127241
Not pictured: the 18 hours of Pokemon guerrilla she streamed this week

>>14127288

>>14125871
My favorite one

>>14127732
To me it looks like they just increased the brightness of the whole model. Look at her hair

>>14127241
>3 streams
>1 of them a members only watchalong
>1 of them is a collab
>The other one is training for the collab

She deserves to be the least liked, subscribed and viewd en. No cute model could have fixed lazyness

>>14129664
She's one of the two in the gen that has a general excuse since her roommate is a known (and busy) artist. The rest (minus mumei) who knows. Maybe they haven't quit their other jobs yet, but they could just be busy with omega projects....or lazy.

>>14127241
Why not post the full announcment that included almost 20 hours of Pokemon?

>>14127814
The classic. I know it's a meme but this really was the point where I unmembered, unsubscribed, and disliked.

>>14118949
It's already too late to fix council, maybe next year they will start to stream for real thinking that hard work compensates for everything only to be hit by the reality, good streamers need to be at the right place at the right time

>>14124139
nta but Bae is way more tame in comparison to Ollie. Doesn't make nearly as many sexual innuendos or flirt aggressively. Ollie is a lot closer to Marine than Bae is to Ollie.

>>14131427
Don't even waste your time, dude. Those people decided she's Ollie 2.0 after only reading her description, watching a 5 second clip of her being hyperactive and hearing about how Roberu is her oshii.

>>14125272
>or you can point out how silly it is.
I haven't seen a JP vtuber doing this, in fact most of the time they make it even sillier

>>14127224
Coco scout Myth

>>14118949
you don't fix what isn't broken. fix yourself.

>>14118949
Fix how?
What needs fixing and how are you measuring that?

>>14118949
>>14118985
This thread and post are already in the archive. OP is a massive gravedigging faggot.

>>14132850
First board?

>>14127241
Those are the things that weren't the daily 8-10 Pokémon streams, troll.

>>14122318
>>14122212
>>14122001
It literally says that's what she is supposed to be in her lore, she's just doing what she's told to be "in character" aka fake. Lore = fakeness. This is why Council failed.

>>14118949
>>14118985
>>14132885
>responding to his own thread for (You).
Here's your last (You) from me faggot. I don't understand your special brand of autism. Insecure?

>>14118985
Council is simply an entire gen of Mels and Akis, except with less lewdness and singing talent. Rrat might be a tier higher than that, but not by much.

I still struggle with finding literally any good clips from them with any regularity. Clips are a good indicator that any amount of fun is actually happening their streams.

>>14119531
>Is the tranny the new scapegoat for everything related to EN?
Mumei specifically said that all of her history related ideas got shot down by management.

>>14133838
>Council failed?
>Because of lore
You honestly believe this?

>>14134275
Lore is supposed to help the holos ad lib. Its there for the same reason improv troupes ask the crowd for a historical figure and a profession before starting a skit.

Fauna is the only one with a worthwhile backstory, being a "mother earth" character. Mumei and Baelz have been reduced to simply being their animals, but Sana and Kronii have absolutely nothing to work with.

>>14131863
Anon, being silly about is one way they can point it out...

>>14134110
>Clipnigger reveals themself
>sneakily puts in any "good" clip so that they're able to control what counts and just deny anything
>gen full of Akis and Mels despite being nothing like those two
How are you this transparent with your intent? I'll give you a pity (You), but good lord make your bait less obvious.

>>14130512
Rrat peddling anon, please understand.

>>14118949
I kind of like how Council filled out EN with likable supporting characters. Yeah, none of them are changing the world but ever since they've debuted people like Gura and Mori seem way more happy and motivated since they have more people they can hang out with and shoot the shit.

What I don't get is why are Kronii and Mumei the most subbed to in the council despite being the laziest streamers and low energy mumblers?

>>14132850
This. But he still got a ton of (You)s. Only proves how shitty this board truly is.

>>14135152
First impressions matter. Kronii because she voiced a lot of meme stuff people superchat and Mumei because she forgo and is cute.

>>14125809
Collabs aren't the best enviroment to judge holos.
Fauna already said herself that she gets debuffed in collabs, her solo content has a different vibe.
Also comparing Fauna to Mumei in the first place is hilarious to anyone that do their reps.

>>14135152
Mumei's funny. Also she has a legitimate excuse to be "lazy" (i.e. stream less often at the moment).
No comment on Kronii. Don't find her appealing so I don't watch her.

>>14135152
Mumei was supposed to be /our/ girl with her history streams and such. Also she had the snippet of her OG song that we've basically heard nothing about since the debut.

They really just released and then just went from there. No big hype, no big events, etc. Cover didn't/probably still doesn't understand how lucky they were with the stars aligning for Myth.

>>14135745
>No big hype, no big events
Genuinely wondering, what kind of "events" you wanted? Was you expecting them to do a HoloMyth anniversary-tier stream every week?

>>14135152
Because they aren't lazy and their appeal is obvious to anyone with a brain even if they aren't your thing.

>>14133936
First board?

>>14135898
Not him but no one has tried anything out of the ordinary streams like asacoco, the only one who has tried something is bae with baewatch and I can respect her the most out of everyone for trying

>>14118949
collab with male twitch streamers

>>14118949
They're fine. I just want them to steam better games

>>14136215
I mean, what do you want them to do exactly? Sana does horoscope streams, Mumei was denied her history streams, Fauna does ASMR, and Kronii was always set up to be? Also, why are we putting HoloX immediately on a pedastal when none of this is true for them either? I knoe it's earlier for them, but it seems biased at best.

>>14136469
*Kronii was always set up to be game focused

>>14136469
HoloX has Laplus doing her edited gameplay videos, it might not seem like much but it's new, also everyone is doing short joke videos, rui does one everyday.

>>14136613
Rui jokes are awesome. She introduces the other girls and their daily lives within the lore.

>>14136250
Shut the fuck up Ollie.

>>14118949
you don't fix something that isn't broken you know?

>>14135152
Mumei is funny and a good streamer that plays to her strengths. Kronii is a menhera with a great voice and first impressions were strong

Fauna is great.
The others just need time to get better and sort themselves out. Sure, it's taking longer than Myth but Myth had a hell of a lot more pressure to. Something that the girls (at least Fauna mentioned on stream) and acknowledged. Sana might be a bit of a lost cause but she's also making bank somehow so she's doing fine too, in comparison to the rest.

>>14136215
Considering how Asacoco ended up after management clamped down on fun, nobody will ever be able to pull off something like that ever again.

>>14119064
What fucking ideas? They don't even stream, they have no ideas. Ame has ideas, council does nothing. Stop blaming management, they're just boring

>>14120481
It is. She could take the Ame approach, Ame literally says she just does shit and doesn't ask management for permission

>>14135152
Mumei and Kronii were buffed by their kino interactions with each other. I was shocked by how incredibly boring mumei is as a solo streamer but when she's with krinii it produces a lot of gold

>>14137312
jesas at least pretend you haven't watched a second of them after first week

>>14137312
jesas at least pretend you have watched a second of them after first week
or read the thread

>>14137089
>Fauna is great.
Yes, but her streams are so utterly conventional. I wish she did something more fun

>>14137870
How was Hitman 2 conventional

>>14118949
Why are you still so mad and obsessed anon? There is nothing that needs fixing, just your mental health.

>>14118949
Graduate them all and hire different voice actors to replace them

>>14125441
>worst fan base
I can think of many more fan bases that are worse according to /vt/. Look at the number of people bitching about Teamates, Nousagis, Zomrades, Deadbeats, Hoshiyomis, Takos, etc.

>>14127818
She uses a filter to lighten herself up.

>>14136613
I'm not sure if that counts as new or exciting content, anon. I like Laplus too, but c'mon.

>>14138134
I've never really seen those last two be a problem, but I'm sure they exist. Surprised you left out Chumbuds and KFP too, I see a lot of backlash towards them on here.

>>14137893
It's just a let's play? She could be doing so much more.

>>14120929
Really reaching for another reason, huh?

>>14138175
More than what council does

>>14137312
>Ame has ideas
Ame just repackages shit fans make for free and then the retarded teamates praise her as if she made all of it
Basically Haachama when she was in Australia but with even less effort

>>14118985
Pretty based.

>>14118949

>>14126119
Did they ever get back all those nuked subs from their first week?

>>14138245
I meant to mention KFP and Chumbuds; good point. /vt/ calls Takos cucks because Ina attempted bants calling out backseaters and Hoshiyomis get some flak due to /vt/ thinking they are putting Suisei on a pedestal (also same for Takos and Ina). Not saying any of this is correct; it’s just /vt/ being its usual self.

Fauna >>>>> Any Myth

Thus, there's nothing to fix.

>>14138341
Not really. You're just in the honeymoon phase with a new gen. By all means, enjoy it while it lasts, just don't be an idiot about it.

>>14138513
No, they didn't. That's why Cover spread out the debuts of HoloX to prevent a redo of that incident (it still happened albeit to a lesser extent).

>>14138827
What did council do out of the ordinary?

>>14138935
Sana has horoscope streams, they had Mumei's quiz show collab and is still pushing for a history stream down the line, and Bae recently did Baewatch just off the top of my head.

>hire a bunch of normies with bfs
>As soon as they get stable income they stop caring
>Most soulless boring gen ever

>>14139093
You do realize that some of the biggest JP branch streamers are normies right? Literally look at Subaru as she started, the duck's come a long way since then but she was pretty divorced from anime and meme culture when she began.

>>14139058
"""Horoscope""" streams, also they're not anything special unless she does something like Mio and invite holomems
The quiz show was an OK idea but terrible execution but I'll give you that she tried
Baewatch is good and exactly what council needs, it's funny that she comes up with that idea instead of the actual voice actor

>>14139291
>also they're not anything special unless she does something like Mio and invite holomems
These streams need to be like another members to be unique? Strange choice of words.

>The quiz show was an OK idea but terrible execution
Fair, it was pretty scuffed.

>>14139203
There's a diffrence between the average jp and en normies, your average jp normie probably reads manga and watches anime.

>>14139497
Literally all of HoloEN has done just that, so you just shot your own argument in the foot.

>>14119917
>tainting your D with a chink
yikes

>>14139402
It doesn't have to be unique in hololive it just needs to be unique in EN, no one minds that Ame copied asacoco, and an horoscope EN collab stream sounds way better than the """horoscopes""" she does

they cant even find the last two members after scouting for months? i doubt its not like they cant find a good talents, it just like the scout is retarded

it might be that omega faggot who lead this who barred the standard too high and ended up finding no one, most of jp gems members are from small 2view but they ended up like diamond

>Kronii
Stop fucking "gwak"ing or harping on the narcissisms sticky note so much, and try something new. Also stop talking so slowly like we're channel full of Fauna's and Mumei's
>Sana
Get on the lifeboat because your ship is sinking
>Mumei
Talk like you aren't in a special needs program
>Fauna
Basically Mumei advice, but also stop pretending your solo streams are a "Different vibe" than collabs and not just "I can not carry a conversation". At least when Ame sucks at collab convos she makes up for it somehow
>Baelz
Keep doing you rrat, you're the closest thing to decent in this entire gen

>>14139640
But you were just comparing their uniqueness to HoloX, seems like a goalpost move but ok. If we're going by just EN for uniqueness everyone fits into place a lot better anyway. Fauna is the first EN member to double down hard on ASMR, and often has interesting game choices like 60 Seconds, Spore, Hitman, etc. Kronii and Mumei have very different senses of humor compared to anyone else in HoloEN, usually leading to some great moments, Bae is coming up with ideas like Baewatch and is a perfect candidate to bounce off the other members, and Sana has her own niche with her optimism.

HoloX has great members too and I'll gladly watch more of them over time. I just think "uniqueness" is a dumb way of measuring a gen's worth especially when you only focus on type of content rather than the personality that comes with it. Hell, Korone and Pekora are huge and because they bring a ton of personality to otherwise standard gaming streams.

>>14139876
This is a person who hasn't watched past the first two weeks revealing themself. Kronii's narcissism is a running gag that's gotten more and more obvious as such over time. The gwaking and slow talking seems like it's just her so that's not going anywhere. Mumei doesn't really do the dumb I forgor schtick at all anymore, and Fauna has been much better in collabs since Mario Kart with Gura happened.

>>14125585
The average streamtime in the last week for holox is at least 1 stream a day. Collabs don't fucking count.

I see a lot of people talking positively about Bae, but she's the least talked holo of EN. I barely see any discussion about her content. Even Sana manages to draw in more convos, the whole break aside. What is going wrong for the rrat?

>>14140268
Funniest part of this anon, is most of this was me typing it out during their Phasmo collab VOD.

Whoever among them decided to let special needs Fauna to be a POV should never make a single decision in their career ever again

>>14133936
Newfag.

>>14140360
"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

>>14140373
Fauna is probably one of the most well-spoken people in EN. She sounds like the typical college-educated twee geek girl.

>>14140344
That's not never streaming though? Also, why don't collabs count, because you said so to embellish your point further?

>>14140429
Which makes her the absolute worst for a PoV. It's the same reason why Ame (despite always wanting to be POV in collabs) is usually glossed over for more dynamic and memorable moment-inducing people like Kiara, Gura, Bae, or IRyS

>>14140373
So now Fauna is the special needs one? You can't even keep your criticisns straight anymore despite supposedly watching the video of Mumei's POV, how am I supposed to take you seriously?

>>14140435
You're basically forced to go to collabs, even sana had to be in her collabs while she was on break

>>14140514
She didn't have to, where are you getting this info? She said she wanted to be there at least for the collabs they had planned, she wasn't forced to.

>>14140506
I'm starting to see why you like listening to these 2 in particular anon

I feel like half the people only saw their debut and are completely basing it off that. Some of these criticisms just don't fucking make sense. Especially in regards to Fauna and Mumei. The former has been pretty solid from the get go and the latter has actually improved since debut in her own solo streams. The only one that has made baby steps in improvement is Kronii, honestly.

>>14140580
>basically

>>14140603
>The game gets good 50 hours in bro, i'm sure of it

>>14118949
Eradication.
Alternatively, give me the tranny. He's shit at managing, but I've got a good position for him under my desk.

>>14140638
...yes? Even Korone wasn't a flawless streamer from the start. NONE of the JPs were, even.

>>14140597
You feel better after that attempt at a "gotcha" moment, anon? Even so wtf is your definition of special needs in this scenario? You keep repeating that and it's so vague it might as well mean nothing.

>>14118949
Language training for Bae and Sana to get rid of the aussie accent,force them to stream 6 hours a day 5 days a week .

>>14140638
Fauna has never been bad and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

>>14140673
Nene was flawless day one, and I would argue that the beginning was coco's strongest point

>>14140620
Not how that works.

>>14140673
Cool, you can suggest they got better with time, and no one will fault you, and others will suggest they left because the first few streams/debut were bad and didn't hold their crowd.
You're just as entitled to die on the hill of them being good now, as we are to leave that hill because they didn't retain us

>>14140715
t. Didn't see her debut

You're legitimately a fucking liar if you believe this. Hell, Nene was ROUGH up until she dropped her Aru bullshit and hard inclined when she got the new outfit.

>>14140712
She's not bad, she's not particularly good either, I simply don't see her as a good holo

>they have a instantly perfect oshi instead of someone who starts out rough and improves over time while you follow along on their journey

>>14140737
Hell no, you were filtered

>>14140700
>"Gotcha moment"
>Calls it "an attempt"
If anything, all of Council needs to start talking slow and handing out stickers if you're their viewerbase

>>14140805
Just like you were filtered from Council?

>>14140800
>they have a instantly perfect oshi
Yes, cope

>>14140712
She isn't and wasn't bad, she was worse
She was forgettable

>>14140819
Ah, so you have no comment and are content to compartmentalize everyone as an idiot who doesn't agree with you. Classy.

>>14140843
delicious seething

>>14140845
She's cute and faunny.

>>14118949
They need to play Minecraft together every day for 4 hours or longer.

>>14140834
Council aside from bae who was normal had objectively awful debuts, you were filtered by a small verbal tick

>>14140867
No anon, you're just a retard who can't read and got mad your nose was rubbed in your failure to get the joke of "both of these girls talk like special needs" because it wasn't spelled out for you

>>14140928
I was not, I'm not the same anon and have watched both Nene and Council since debut. You got filtered.

>>14140947
You're still dodging my question, but keep doing the same shit I just said and tell me how it works out for you.

>>14140730
This, mori on her 2nd season might be good becuase she finally accepted the idol and streaming culture in her life instead of going againt it. I dont care if shes faking the enthusiasm or not she for me will never not be the 5% mori because holy shit the firsr 9 months were rough

Fauna has been consistently the best HoloEN from the get go and it was never close. Mythfags getting uppity.,

>>14140959
Yeah I was "filtered" by Kronii finishing her debut in 20 minutes and scrambling to find something to talk about for another 40 minutes, damn I must be missing out

>>14141036
You are, sucks to be you.

>>14141013
You have no question to ask that needs clarifying, you dipshit. You thought it was a "pick and choose" of which 2 are the spergs, when the greentext already has it explained that both are special needs, and you just failed to read because like most Council fans, you fail elementary level reading comprehension

>>14118949
Kick Omegatranny out, reject the lore, let them become themselves.

>>14141048
It's OK, since I didn't get filtered by a small verbal tick and a dress I got to enjoy nene in her peak, I'm pretty happy with that

>>14141114
What does special needs mean in regards to Mumei and Fauna? Pointing out my mistake repeatedly is a way for you to dodge this question. Clarify or stop responding.

>>14141188
So did I. I'm happy for you.

>>14141150
>reject the lore
Most of HoloEN did that from the moment they landed. Then again, it was never meant to be used as actual, pivotal, essential lore and moreso just background
That being said, Ame's Obra Dinn stream was 11/10 and her really hamming up the detective angle made it worth while

>>14141190
>What does special needs mean
Ask your mom to pull up your accommodations in school

>>14118949

How to fix council based on per talent from most difficult to easiest to fix
>Sana: She needs to discover another games to play other than pokemon, she can play any pokemon games at least once a week but bring another games to appeal new viewers, bring more drawing stream and she need more interaction with her viewer
>Mumei: She also suffer same problem with sana on how rare she interact with her viewer so she need to interact more in chat and she need to find another activities beside gaming, out of all of council she have the least variety on activity on per week schedule, once she find new activities or anything she likes beside gaming, she can rack up subs alot because she has natural charm
>Fauna: Too much rely on ASMR's, She can cover her ASMR schedule by play games, i think if she smart enough and cover corp approve it, she can play DOTA 2 on her stream (i remember on her pokemon unite stream DOTA 2 is her most hours games she played) she can moog lots of myth subs who solely subs their chuubas for gaming, her selection of games are good enough for my taste
>Kronii: She needs to adding more streaming time, it's a shame because of her lack of streaming time her subs number are reclining, other than that she's good
>Baelz: My favorites because of her talents and how diverse her activity every week, she only need adding a little numbers of games selection, play any jrpg or j-action games will definitely boost her viewers and subs number a lot, also yagoo idol dream will definitely fulfilled if she more serious to dig deeper her singing talent, monthly karaoke stream should be a start to her

Lastly, All of the council member need to collab with another talent outside holoen, if they didn't have a confidence to collab with JP talent, collab with holoID talent should be good start

Summary for the TL:DR fags, Some of the council need to discover new activities, changing how they interact with their viewers, discovers new game titles to make sure not make their viewers bored and lastly need to collab more with talent outside holomyth

>>14141150
>Lore
Your more obsessed about it than anyone else

>>14141287
I'll take this as a concession from you. Goodbye.

>>14141294
>Too much rely on ASMR's,

She does it once a fucking week dude. How is that too much?

>>14141329
There's nothing left to debate because you still can't correct your dumbass, so go back to your slow speaking oshis and tell yourself how right you are

>>14141382
...Fauna speaks faster than even Ina.

>>14141382
You never debated anything to begin with and still refuse to answer my question honestly over a mistake I already owned up to. You let one gotcha moment go to your head and ruin any grounds you had to stand on by pivoting the entire conversation around it from that point, making it all about that one single thing. It's sad, really.

>>14121914
>tell Fauna to focus primarily on ASMR and aggressively promote her in ASMR circles
Fuck no
>and teach Fauna to not sound like a special needs child
Retard
>Change Mumei and Fauna voice actors for people more entertaining
Retard
>>14138256
Let's Plays are based
>>14138781
based
>>14140373
>Whoever among them decided to let special needs Fauna
Retard
>>14141035
based

>>14141556
Welcome to /vt/. We have retards like them all the time, enjoy your stay.

>>14141339
For me, yes it's too much
Biweekly ASMR stream will be much appreciated, on the week which she doesn't have ASMR streams she can cover it with collab gaming stream or other activities

this thread is extremely shit, i'm just posting so that it gets to bump limit faster and dies quicker

>>14141556
i wonder when you will learn to not even engage in this kind of shitflingy debate that is of no consequence to anything or anyone

>>14142168
I knew what I was getting into when I started it. Honestly it was pretty funny in hindsight, I regret nothing.

>>14120785
Yeah Mumei could have definitely thought outside the box. She could have leveraged her I forgor lore to make obviously fake history short vids. It's just a difference in mindset especially when you use Coco as comparison. Coco really put it all in the line with Asacoco and moved around limitations to create interesting content.
Obviously there is limitations like Mumei being a student, but she should have at least tried to creatively go around restrictions rather than just stopping at the first sign of resistance.

>>14142454
I mean, you say that but Coco seemingly left a year and a half after debut due to conflicts with management. It's possible they've cracked down on things harder because of her pushing the envelope.

>>14140712
>Fauna has never been bad and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
She's unironically the most entertaining gaming streamer in Council.

>>14142454
>>14120785
Reminder that Mumei WANTED to do history streams and they wouldn't even let her do a stream about potatoes about all fucking things. If you want someone to blame about her not doing lore related shit you can 100% blame cover management for all of this. Hell they stopped allowing Ame to do Nature reviews, something Fauna wanted to do with her.

>>14142561
She's unironically the most entertaining gaming streamer in EN

>>14118949
make them actually stream

>>14125441
>And then Mumei is debuffed by having the worst fanbase on /vt/
That's Mori.

>>14144002
They don't stream because they aren't getting the success they feel entitled to. Its a self fulfilling prophecy.

>>14146714

>>14118985
i like the art

>>14137089
>(at least Fauna mentioned on stream)
What stream did she say that?

>>14138781
Why are saplings like this?

>>14146770
>they aren't getting the success they feel entitled to
Ohmahgawd Lexi, do you think they're jealous of their senpais??

>>14140800
Yes. Her name is Chloe.

>>14140360
The least talked about chuubas are the ones with the least rrats.

>>14135152
They have the most contrast, they feel the most 'new' and 'different', also Susan

>>14119588
Kronii has impostor syndrome. She was hella 2view before and now she's top of council. She debuffs herself for the sake of debuffing, on purpose.

>>14153334
>She was hella 2view before and now she's top of council
So does most if not all the HoloX member, I guess the difference is that HoloX member know how it feels when they're given the bigger opportunity, the bigger stage to perform they'll try their hardest whereas Kronii has to retreat and cower

Councils fine. They just don't fit into niches and have the same chemistry as myth.

I have my criticisms of Myth too. I think Ina is boring as SHIT and I can NOT watch her streams, but she fits a niche of being a comfy art streamer that some faggots might find calming instead of pointless. I also don't like Mori and I feel like she doesn't have her heart in it. Something about her voice makes her sound like she is disinterested in everything and never has genuine feelings most of the time. She has the thinnest veil where I feel like I can see how she is putting on an act for the camera. She knows how pandering to these anime waifu niggers is cringe but she has to put up with it for the sake of her career. Thats the vibe she gives me

I'll say again, Council is fine. They just need a manager who will allow them to do what they want and embrace their individuality.

>>14153820
>Councils fine.
HoloX is about to completely surpass them in subs in 10 days, that's not fine.

>>14153975
HoloX is a different branch of the company and will most likely pass Myth (except Gura) eventually. No one thinks Myth is a failure because Pekora has more subs than Kiara.

Also consider that subs don't matter that much. As long as they bring in the supacash so COVER can get their cut that's all they care about

>>14118949
>Kronii
Decent VA but is being carried HARD by her fucking model. Onee-san lust + helicopter memes + umu / padoru spam and leaning into them are the main reason she caught fans early. That cannot carry her forever and at some point she needs to do better at entertaining on stream and get more confident.
>Sana
Puts in effort and seems to have some novel ideas for streams but also hasn't so far executed many of them. If she can start flexing her creativity she will do fine I think.
Also she needs to try some art streams, she can draw pretty well. Dunno why she's done none yet unless she couldn't focus on it while chatting like Ina.
>Mumei
She needs to cut some of the early memes clinging to her and branch out more now while she still can. None of them have any longevity or ability to grow her popularity since they're all essentially "teehee she's very cute" besides the Dark-Mumei stuff which is unironically a better angle to lean into; cute but with a dark sense of humor/no sense of fear.
>Fauna
She's nice and seems like she puts effort into doing what she thinks her viewers want but that largely leads to her just playing stuff others have already played, and her singing voice is....not great.
Her ASMR stuff is "good" but not "really good" which is weird given its her main selling point. Though I feel the same way about Noel and people fucking adore her so maybe Fauna just needs to show her roomate's tits once to win the crowd over.
>Bae
Actually, unironically fine for the most part. Just keep trucking and doing offbeat streams inbetween the vidya stuff.

I have dropped Fauna and watch Kronii inconsistently but these are my overall thoughts for the main problem each has.

>>14154078
>HoloX is a different branch of the company and will most likely pass Myth (except Gura) eventually. No one thinks Myth is a failure because Pekora has more subs than Kiara.

We can compare council to myth then, it's going to be almost as bad for Council. The reason no one thinks myth is a failure is because they have the most subs on average out of any gen, by far. Council is getting mogged in total subs in 10 fuckings days, it's beyond pathetic.

>>14154078
>Also consider that subs don't matter that much.
Said whom? Most streamers say that supas don't really matter all that much, what really brings money is merch and sponsorship and the latter is influenced hard by subs.

>>14154237
>she's done none yet
Anon stop being a fucking retard

>>14154311
everyone in council (except Sana) has similar numbers to the some of the girls in ID and I never see anyone calling Reine, Anya or Iofi a failure

ITT people who don't watch the streams give out opinions as if they had actually watched the those streams.

>ITT anons complain about trivial shit and offer no solutions

>>14154738
Someone has to be on the bottom. If Council stayed the same as they are now and HoloX didn't get the subs they have now you'd quickly stop seeing these threads and instead see OH NO NO NO NO threads for HoloX. Numberfags should be purged from the board in my opinions its just mindless wankery over something that doesn't even matter

>>14153975
HoloX has the jpfans on their side.
Nobody in EN ever would get 180k viewers in their debut like Koyori did. That's thanks to having a massive Japanese supports.

>>14154475
The mere fact they have numbers similar to fucking ID, and not even the tops ones like Moona and Ollie say a lot about how much of a failure council is.

>>14155028
>NUMBERS NUMBERS NUMBERS

only fags care about math and shit

>>14154950
So what? Myth is the biggest gen in hololive subwise. Where is council massive sub growth? Or crazy VODs views? The fastest Council hit 500k in 77 days, Gura hit fucking 1 million in 39 days.

>>14154331
well fuck me how did I miss that?

>>14154950
So this... is the power... of the lingua franca...

>>14155141
The fact you you compared it to Gura is miserable argumentation in itself seeing she is a goddamn anomaly among Vtubers who had a lot of media attention due to
>"Child body bad"

>>14154475
>lets compare it to the inferior branch rather than jp
what a loser mentality

Kroniies, councildefender buckle up!!

>>14155588
What a cope. Regardless all the other myth reached 500k faster than Kronii. When the slowest in a gen is faster than the fastest in another gen of the same branch you know you have a problem.

>>14155068
Tell me how I know you're a poorfag. Assuming you don't live in your mother's basement, of course.

I almost feel like Myth were such a success that they basically saturated the market for HoloEN and Council are struggling to see similar success in part because the audience is already devoted to those 5 primarily.

But then again Irys did better and surely Myth should have GROWN the market given they fucking dwarf almost all of JP

>>14156714
Council are struggling because Council are a bunch of lazy failures, there's no other explanation.

council is fine
i mean, just look at the ACTUAL competition lmao

>>14157017
yeah holoX

>HOLOLIVE gen 6
>HOLOLIVE en gen 2
>competing

>>14118949
new outfits followed by a stacked schedule

>>14118949
You graduate everyone and then you debut another gen also called Council, it's pretty much the only way.

>>14118985
Truly based High IQ post

Brainlets will cope and derail abd dilate

>>14156892
Nah, there's other reasons. Like the weird vague marketing in the form of Prelude that absolutely did not fit the comedy-centered nature of the Holos at all. Irys also came out before only just a month before Council too, so it might've been less exciting given the nearly year long-wait for new members. In that time tons of casual viewers probably left.
I think Council underperforming was mostly just down to Cover taking way too long to make a new gen instead of trying to keep the fire going, like around early-mid spring would've been more ideal. Couldn't have hurt either to dump the lore entirely, by the time they get new outfits I wouldn't be surprised if it goes against the lore that only Omega cares about.
>tldr bad management, Cover would be better off shaking off the deadweight staff there and ditching the over serious lore.

>>14118985
>ollie clone
Sounds like someone's never watched a rrat stream

>>14118949
Give them a new outfits and make bae flat like la+

>>14158246
I’d say the best move would be to debut IRyS in that early-mid spring period, debut Council in June, and convince Coco to stay on an extra month so they can get a boost from collabing with her before she leaves. Beyond that, they should have done the debuts like Myth or Gen 6 to minimize sub culling, and encouraged the talents to do some shorts and prerecorded content to make up for empty space in their schedules (would take the edge off Sana’s hiatus and Kronii’s aversion to streaming).

>>14118949
Kronii - decent but lazyy
Mumei - okayish
Bae - great
Fauna- great
Sana- decent

I think all of them are just fine but they need to do more and put effort if they dont want to get left behind.

>>14118949
Have Fauna do more themed ASMR
Have Kronii do a reccuring segment where she voice acts scenarios sent in by fans
Create HoloAUS as a formal thing
Give the bird permissions for civ and age of empires

>>14158555
Sound like someone never watch ollie stream

>>14118985
>produces music that is not actually bad
anon...