/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

>>13997362
So this year we got cardboard IRyS huh?

KOHONE LOVE
SUISEEEXXX

will irys get cardboard buff?
verification code:k4p

Pink cat holding a 11.5k audience for hours.

Why were we talking about NijiEN again?

>>13997362
What can we expect from Holofes 3 annoucement? My prediction is 70k

>>13997540
Because we let nijiniggers feel comfortable here

>>13997540
11k on a 3d revela collab is pretty weak.
better than nijien for sure but is still in the median of nyannera

>>13997362
Omg Suisei. Your are making me feel weird things.

>>13997362
Man I remember when Pekora was a literally who... Good times.

>>13997362
Holo Council break out star, Council #1, the number generator

HOLOKR FUCKING WHEN?

>>13997621
Hornyomi pls (not that I don't understand but...)
>>13997460
As in, will her own stream numbers increase? Is that even a thing, did Nene get buffed by being shown as cardboard?

>>13997792
kek, but she's doing alright

>>13997615
It's not really out her range, but 3d models aren't a big event for most twitch chuubas. They cycle through models, 2d and 3d, all the time and their views don't go up that much for them. Nyanners is getting more of a buff from being off for a while than the model.

holoX
>takes morning slot
>takes lunch slot
>streams before prime
>streams at midnight
>streams holometa games
The grind is real with this gen

>>13997890
i can't see her fucking eye, fix it chibisuke

>>13997922
Cunny saizu purisu andastando

>>13997890
anon
>posts this in the previous thread
>posts it again this thread
>probably will post it next thread as well
the grind is real with this poster

>>13997792
i mean... the only thing that geenrate numbers right now is gacha fishing on pokemon, colllabs or MC on the main server, maybe some pupalr jp franchise but there arent a lot. Cant blame them fro trying other shit.

i think the only new game i have seen been tried is halo by botan lately fro jp side.

>>13997827
No because as it turned out gen 5 weren't allowed to participate in holofes 2 so no one cared about Nene or them in the end

>>13997890
i still think it wotn have any effect stoping the reclining from honeymoon phase ending.
The popular content will run out eventually.
by half of decemebr they all will all stop doing so many streams

>Kronii mentions fish
>greynames in chat start spamming Fianna
It's a fucking epidemic I swear

>>13997973
Mu..must..grind..(you)s...

What's up with Nijifags stealth marketing these days? It has never been this bad before.

>>13998110
this, when you forcibly acquire fans by spamming popular content the consumption is rapid and you'll run out of content fast, the better way is to gradually build a culture of long-term fans who will stick around instead of moving on once you run out of content.

>>13997710
Only make me respect her more desu

>>13998135
Nijisisters really went aggressive for them little crumbs leftover

Kronii number keep rising not bad for a indie master holomen.

>>13998053
En viewers don't really want to watch solo game streams anymore unless there is some gimmick added with it. This applies to nijien too, their solo game streams especially jrpgs are numbers poison. Only collabs, karaoke and la creatividad streams get good numbers.

>>13998209
>>13998135
I would admire the hussle except chat mentioning other chuubas before they get mentioned is against the rules.

>>13998110
>>13998213
Well it's obvious. But with this aggressive approach, they'll at least attain many fans and viewers in the future. I just hope they'll keep the pace at that time

>>13998481
>is against the rules
not anymore, EN has changed the rules forever

>>13998481
This would either mean that NijiEN fags are desperate, or there's overlap.

>>13998209
Nijifags are getting uppity

So how do we save HoloEN? they're clearly reclining. Gura barely hitting 20k on a GTA stream, Ame's sub 4k not to mention their SCs are dwindling down. Meanwhile Vshojo is stable and NijiEN is upping their ceiling (which gets offset by low CCV streams) and getting great SCs.

>>13998598
There's always been overlap, but even back when pretty much all of nijien's fans were HoloEN fans it wasn't this bad. They are either getting desperate or getting bolstered by new successes

No classes in JP? Fubuki pulling 25k + Flare 6k

>>13998241
peko climbing the ladder of success while some of the others riding escalators

>>13998711
Anyone before gen 5

>>13998213
Obviously they will either slow down, or burn out. Right now the important thing is to get as many eyes on them as possible since they still have their debut buff active, and they know this, hence the grind.

>>13998691
I think all the shitposters went to bed, leaving only the seanigs on lunch break and west coast fuckers

>>13998688
This is pathetic to see really. I have no hatred towards NijiEN but their fans are getting annoying.

ina...

>>13998503
i dont thin they will last you can dminish it a little but if you dont stream what you like most of your fabnase will leave sooner or later as they wont idnetify with you.
>>13998437
same is true for most of jp
shion got away with it since she wa the first one to spam pokemon but most normal pokemon streams lose steam really fast unless they are nuzloke.Jps outside of botan haven tried new games since forever almost except maybe pekers judgement and subaru yakuza 0 and iwami. But those are popular japanese series.

>>13998213
Popular content is a good way to attract those long term fans. Stream a thing that brings tourists in and try to make them like you enough to become long term fans. Of course, you can't just spam only popular content, or the people who watch all your streams will get bored of the monotony and drop you. We're still on the first week so I don't think that's an issue yet.

>13998213
>forcibly aquir
Opinion discarded.

I was wondering, is HoloEN memberships $2.50 or $10?

>>13998844
??????
It's $5, but regional pricing may cause that to differ.

7.5k for kronii and still rising. Sasuga indie gamer.

>>13998769
I feel that mentioning other streamers is typical and normal in EN streamer culture

>>13998877
She's actually been steadily gaining the entire time, it's...impressive in a way, even if it's a sub10k stream.

HoloEN November 12/1 - 12/3
>0 - 9,999: 8

>10K+: 9

HoloEN December 12/1 - 12/3
>0 - 9,999: 13

>10K+: 6

disappointing...

>>13998877
You mean praying for it to rise. Boring stream.

After all NijiJP gets their 3D, do you think Nijisanji will give oversea branches their 3D? Right now, I think only Hana and EN qualify, while 99% of ID and all KRs can't even each 100k subs.

>>13998871
Yeah, I guess regional prices is a thing. I got members for much cheaper.

>>13998926
Boring is subjective. Number don't lie.

>>13998940

Don't Hana said herself that she won't be getting a 3D?

Why do Nijifags think they're on a level playing field with HoloEN? The baits are increasing by the minutes.

>>13998687
just do some MC collabs and they will be fine but that is not the real solution imo. they going the jp way of just MC would make them less unique
And unfortunately they cant do offline collabs like jp.
>Meanwhile Vshojo is stable
not when playing games, only collabs and aztsu (reaction content) withsome karaokes put them above 10k.
>and NijiEN is upping their ceiling
thanks to outside boost or RPR, they also need to stream above 100hrs to just keep on SC. So they are going to burn temeslves if they dont take care or dont start making proyects of their own to replace those hours. Kinda like HoloEn Vr chat creations.

>>13997792
Kronii, you are the only saving grace for council before the Orca devour you all

>>13998135
What's Kronii and chat's reaction on it?

>>13999054
It's chat, they ignored it and talked about the stream instead

>>13998984
Hana was offered long ago but refused cuz she didn't wanna leave her wave-mates behind.

She'll be having it once the others reach 100k

>>13998940
Do you really expect anykara to fly Hana and EN from overseas for 3D?

2020 vs 2021 November vod views

>>13999102
so never?

>>13998687
>>13999018
Is holiday affect the number?

>>13999102
She will probably retire before that time comes.

>>13998817
I still don't know what the fuck does that mean

>>13999121
Pmaru is a freaking monster! She really is a golden egg that sony stupidly stepped over

>>13998926
i mean she is beating flare at gacha poemon with an indie game.

>>13999121
jp side

>>13998773
You think that's bad, this video came out on Halloween https://youtu.be/8iin3HQpwSY

>>13997540
I don't care about Vshojo. At all.

>>13999182
thanks giving did.
see bae, and fauna streams that day.

>>13998967
I guess it's relative to your living cost and for a lot of burgers, 5 dollars per month is nothing. What can you get for 10 MYR?

>>13999018
>they also need to stream above 100hrs to just keep on SC
lol this cope again just because holos are lazy and unmotivated. Ayame has the best average sc per stream out of them all. Completely meaningless metric. SC x amount of streams is a prime example of diminishing returns.

>>13997540
>Twitch CCV

>>13999121
Who the fuck are these faggots? PARRA, Combo Panda? Are these converts or legit Vtubers?

>>13999288
>Ayame has the best average sc per stream out of them all
And hence she's technically the most successful chubba out there, low effort but high returns.
>>13999223
Cover has 50k agents all around the world pointing guns at peoples' heads forcing them to watch streams without ad block and on 3 different devices, obviously.

>>13999253
comparing ina n mel..anon...

>>13999241
>>13999121
Why is Pmaru and Combo Panda not included in the JP side?

>>13997540
? vshojofags should talk about their chuuba more

>>13999367
Black company?
Black company.

>>13999279
One set of lunch...

>>13999253

Using Mel as a comparison don't make Ina cover look any better

What the fuck is this new shiny hunting meta

>>13999279
one piece kfc chicken meal

>>13999241
My poor inclining duck...

>>13999223
It's nijicope

>>13999431
>>13999442
damn...
nowadays you can barely afford 2 McDonald's burgers with 5 bucks

>>13999440
Blue Axolotl arc Pokemon version

>>13999474
Doesn't the dollar menu still exist?

>>13999288
i mean you canr emove ayame since she didnt technially stream only had a premiere.
But more stream and more hours = more oportunities to get SC.

Why doesn't Omocat collab with Vshojo? Their fans are richer and their potential for EN market is much much bigger.

Will cat or ninja end up being the holox saviorfag oishii?

>>13999504
going slightly off-topic here but COVID inflation hit the USA pretty hard. the most notable thing for me was the 20 piece nugget is now 8 bucks instead of 6

>>13999544
>Why doesn't Omocat collab with Vshojo?
Why would they when they can collab with literally any Japanese company since their partnership with NipponTV?
Omocat who?

>>13999584
will you watch it?

>>13999599
No.

>>13999599
No.

>>13999523
Like I said, diminishing returns. There's only a limited amount of paypaggies around and they're not going to give you money in proportion to how much/how long you stream, only what they can afford to. The sheer massive difference of Rushia and Pekora's sc and stream times is a good example as well.

>>13999599
No.

>>13999645
Gura endurace (debuff game) got 8k

>>13999732
>3.63m subs
>highest earning is only 8k
ngmi...

>>13999584
>they can collab with literally any Japanese company
Anon, all the partnership means is that they get on Japanese TV on their vtuber show every once in a while and can participate in VILLS.
There's fucking 279 vtubers in V-clan (what they call their group)
https://v-clan.jp/member/

>>13999544
Because they aren't delusional like you.
And also because vshojo is a bad name to get attached to these days

late night NA time. HoloEN BTFO

Man... how can others compete with these clippers spam shilling holo 24/7 and flood the algo

>>13999732
Not seeing any recent stream with that sc number right now but there are numerous examples of the opposite, like the four hour Minecraft one block challenge getting less sc than the one hour and 20 mins Skyrim VR stream.

>>13999846
>xqx
This board is for 18+ kiddo

>>13999574
Oh, wow, that is pretty bad. Around these parts the inflation mainly hit stuff like fridges and other appliances. Food prices is more or less unaffected

>>13999915
>Gura 3 hours and 30 minute stream
>$0 SC

>>13999846
that's pretty pogchamp my fellow juicer

>>13999886
Thank you for introducing these clippers man. Need to subs to show support.
Salute le clippers.

>>13999886
Just one day from Sushi.

>>13999969
why doesn't he do shorts? does it not pay?

>>13999960
>gtaV

>>13999960
Oh no no no Holobros how can we let this happen?

>14000018
>13999960
Just in case there are people who don't know.
There are games that can't be monetized. Meaning you can't get SCs in there.
GTAV is one of them.

>Towa shills a riot game
>Luna shills a riot game
then finally Aqua & Botan shilled the Arcane movie

it was a masterplan

>>13999915
SC is mostly a reflection of how much the chuuba baits during the stream rather than stream time. They are not exactly getting paid by the hour.

>>14000099
I really fucking hate how this place is filled with retards like him who just shits up any sensible discussion we have about the industry

>>13997362
>Pekora inclined in 2020
>Nene inclined in 2021
Yeah I think IRyS will incline hard in 2022

>>13999645
The original point is that the longer a stream goes the more chances for this donnations to appen. Just compare gura birthday that last 1hr to nina and selene birthday that lasted 8hrs. Nina and selene wouldnt be even close to their number if they just did 1hr stream for it.

>>14000000
Alright who got the get?

>>13999969
This is quality here. Look at how much one minute clickbait one Holoclipper puts out. Meanwhile, Nijiclippers they put together several minutes of content. Why bother? Might as just grab several seconds of content and start pumping the algorithm.
>>14000181
Sensible discussion? Clipfags destroyed that long ago along with any bar for standards.

Is Pekora still relevant after Gen 6 or is her time over?

>>14000257
Nijiseethe

is Nijisanji still relevant now that holoX took the attention of jp tourists?

>>14000181
Anon who don't do their archive reps deserve to get the wrong info

>>13998110
At least they have a decent manager that actually pushes them to stream while still fresh
On the contrary Gokisei manager stopped Nene from doing her lunch stream everyday after debut, and she was lagging behind before her redesign

>>13999915
she is the dark horse because of ad money and the sheer amount of members. imagine reading superchats lmao
>>13960189

>>14000291
Keep sucking that clipfag dick. This has nothing to do with any company at this point. Because they source of the inflated numbers. Might as well just throw out any chart of the companies and start charting the weekly views for your favorite clippers.

>>14000189
She have been inclining lately.
All she needs to do is keep her Median above 10k.
Her songs may not be doing well (by holo standards) but she's a solid streamer.

>>14000262
She's getting only mere 30k+. Yup seems irrelevant already. Am i right?

>>13999846
Is this board already full of twitchfags?

>>14000363
>>14000257
Ah so this is why nijiniggers are turning up the stealth marketing.

>>14000351
her lunch streams were not doing anything really for her.People tink that if you keep streaming you are going to keep eyes on you.
It doesnt happen it depends on what you do for nene incline it was bunch of rally good anc clipable content.

>>14000359
RUMAO
30k VOD doesn't mean 30k members
Are you one of those faggots who think since Baby Shark has 9.5 Billion views, it means there are 9.5 billion people in the world?
GTFO and never come back. Stop shitting up this thread with your faggotry

>>14000314
And then they go on to flood the catalogue with them until it becomes accepted knowledge, just like what happened to nijiniggers.

>>14000423
yep no one bother to check their clips

>>14000262
Depends on how she decided to approach the new gen...She is quite the numberfag after all

>>14000181
>discussion
>in a board without ID system
good luck, in a board with ID at least no one can samefagging

>>14000460
Rumao look at the seethe

>>14000460
You look like you're seething anon, just ignore the bait Kek

>>14000460
you are trying hard, thats good

>>14000460
thta is on of the higest Memebrship vods
only pekoras kingglaive and marine memebr asmr are enar it.

>>13999969
Putting out 1-2 clips an hour is a kind of ridiculous grind.

>>13998209
>>13998481
>>13998598
I fucking hate when they do it on NijiEN chats as well when they do it about hololive. It's the fucking holoen/hololive fans who do that shit, so if they do that also on holoen, it's because they have no awareness. I very much doubt the people who main nijisanji would do that, most of the fans are extremely autistic about following the rules in chat in the west.

>>14000460
yt's notification always fucked up her members. it should be 50k desu

>>14000461
What could possibly be cause of that? Is it because for one clip with several minutes of translated Nijisanji content a Holoclipper will put out a dozen clips of noises or several seconds of translated content.

>>14000189
Nah, it might be difficult for her. I can't imagine her keeping her current streaming schedule up with all these recordings she is getting. She mentioned that her throat has been hurting recently, that wasn't a good sign.
Not saying that she won't be doing fine number-wise, but I think keeping her median around 10k might be difficult when she starts taking more breaks due to VSinger duties.

>>14000610
Because nobody gives a shit about nijisanji

>>13997540
Is t-that a...A CCV NOOMBER I SEE?

>>14000559
>highest membership vods
Who the fuck cares? How many times do you VOD niggers have to be told that VOD is a useless metric. Only CCV, SC and Watch time matters.

>>14000654
>this number doesn't count because I say so
Fuck off nigger

>14000610
>he thinks Sushi is the only Holoclipper in the world
>he also thinks that it's unfair

>14000654
>Youtube is a platform primarily for VOD
>Says VODs are irrelevant

It's like Chloe became a part of the relay

>>14000654
is memebership vods
if you want to contribute you can share nijiEN memebership vods.

>>14000654
I really don't get it. You've been hitting that vod uselessness drum for months now, been btfo every time and still try to peddle your headcanon. Are you a bot?

>>13998940
The IDs could get it since they comparatively make good money for Indonesia.

>>14000654
>AIEEEEEEE DON'T BRING UP VOD VIEWS ON YOUTUBE THEY MAKE ME LOOK BAD

>>14000637
Ah, ah, ahh there. If that were case no Niji EN would ever be able to overtake the lifetime superchat of a Holo right? So, there mustn't be anyone in the world who gives more than a rat's ass about Hololive.
>>14000693
Oh NYOOO, my (you)s how will I ever cope? I'm dying here. Perhaps I should've watched the latest Sodafunk clickbait or the whatever the fuck Gura's clippers are putting out. Also take the free (you), because you don't really care about anything either.

VOD is a good metric
See : HAL's income chart
It's still relevant

>>14000610
Or maybe just nobody gives a shit about nijisanji

>>14000739
>nijiEN memebership vods.
sorry anon, i'm a poorfag

>>14000794
Cope more. Nijisanji was in the market first and yet lost the algorithm to Hololive. It's their own fault, there's no one to blame.
The more popular ones gets more clips. The less popular ones does not.

>>14000823
Yeah, retards just like yo disregard it because it makes Gura look good, just like sub numbers

>>14000794
Yes because attracting the attention of a few lonely oil barons totally means more people care about nijisanji. Nijinigger logic everyone

>>14000351
Nene was stopped from doing it every day for health reasons. Not wanting your talent to burn out her throat in the first month of streaming isn't a bad thing.

>>14000885
> first
> Sora debuts months before Nijisanji and Cover is founded in 2016
retard

>>14000831
Yes, this sums this thread perfectly. It's purposeless company wars. No U, pulls X number, no U, pulls out Y number.
>>14000885
Avoiding the argument doesn't make the point even less meaningful. Hololive benefitted from a Chinese clipfarm that broke YT's algorithm. Nijisanji obviously should have impressed the Chinese into doing the same.

>>14000610
nijisanji is a dying brand

>>14000981
>Hololive benefitted
More like Hololive payed the Chinkfarms to spam Hololive clips while Niji knew this was an unsustainable method to forcibly acquire fans

>>14000979
>in the market
>Nijisanji had clear dominance in the vtubing market before Hololive
Retard.

It's weird how much Nijisanji fans have done, the group is still not that big in the eyes of global viewers. Is there something that Nijisanji lacks?

>>14000981
Or better yet, just come to the numbers thread to seethe endlessly about how unfair it is that your company doesn't get the same attention as the other company. You know, in the numbers thread.

>>14001039
>forcibly
>acquire fans

>>14000567
Not quite as ridiculous when you realize his translation quality sunk like a fucking rock the second he traded it off for volume/speed.

>>13999253
VAMP UP

>>14001050
They lack fanbase

>>13999554
Luilui

>>14000823
ty for making the enschizo's point correct, big retard

>>14001039
>payed
Forcibly acquired fans was made by an ESL SEAfag. No wonder.
>>14001061
As if there's much to translate to begin with. Don't even pretend that you know Japanese.

>>14001061
A lot of the clips are also cut terribly. Like some would be a lot better with an extra 10 sec on the front or back of the clip.

>>14001050
Because nijisanji fans don't actually do all that much, they just bitch about how unfortunate they are and how unfair it is that hololive gets all the success while at the same time begging them for handouts. It's the same reason why homeless people don't generally make for a potent political group

>>14001050
they lack Gura, they tried with IN and EN still unable to land a Gura

>>13999846
You could have at least posted Critical Role.

>>13997362
>>13997386
why dont you add holodex here?

>>14001050
You might as well make this same question about all the other jp agencies that might as well not exist in the west.

>>14001050
The absolute immorality to debase the company by using clipfarms and treating clippers like actual people.
>>14001052
How unfair? The numbers thread I have argued doesn't really care about number this place only cares about optics.

>>14001050
they need more schizos and self-destruct

>>13999969
They gotta be some kind of sweatshop business right?

>>14000731
YOU SNEAKY LITTLE.....AAAAA I LOVE THIS NUMBERFAG SO MUCH

>>13998135
was there too many people doing that? those retards also do it on nijien but with hololive instead. Thankfully it doesn't happen as much but it does happen sometimes. I honestly fucking hate en chats because of this and other stuff.

>>14001141
exactly, nijinigger is bunch of salty envious little bitch doing nothing while holofan creating those animation and helping the overseas fans with translated clip while nijinigger with their elitist attitude not wanting any TL because they believe they will be Japanese

Thread is awful when G6 isn't streaming.
See ya'll later. Number bros

>>14001050
Stealth shilling doesn't actually do all that much. Nijiniggers have this mistaken impression that the only thing preventing their nijis from being more popular is that nobody knows about them, when the reality is that pretty much anyone who'd be interested are already aware of them and the people they are reaching out to with all those stealth marketing attempts would at best go "huh, cool" without ever checking them out.

>>14000731
She's a fucking very very good genius

Oh so clippers are pointed a gun to their heads to clip and post 20 clips per day now? This forcibly acquiring fans cope is sure getting out of hand.

>>14000731
I really hate this fake tryhard bitch.

>>14001192
No its just one really dedicated guy.
And I wouldn't blame him, he's probably making about two grand a month with that channel alone

>>14001039
Reminder that niji begged koefficient to react to their clipa and get btfo by the guy lol

>>14001245
There's better clip quality on Nijisanji's side. However there isn't a clipfarm.

>>14001292
seethe more councilkeks
no one in the council can match this cute orca rn

>>14001292
>tryhard
i hope Council was the same

>>14001292
It brings numbers so it doesn't matter
A chubba can hang herself for numbers on stream for all I care
Next.

>14001292
seethe

More 1 block from EN. If this many of them were gonna do it they should have just made it a shared world like PekoMari...

>>14001162
It's not a numberfag site, unless you want to numberfag clips.
Actually you know what, why not?

>November is a generally strong month
>December can be considered holiday month
>Gen 6 also is on Debut buff

So January is when numbers will be back to normal?

>>14001265
Reminder >>14001321

>>14001328
>come to the numbers thread
>bitch about quality
Why are nijiniggers like this?

>>14001399
March probably

>>14001399
Nah.. january will probably be filled with lots of stuff like last year, plus there's also HoloX collab buff

>14001332
Now that HoloX/HoloJP is being talked,
Now you use Council and HoloEN.

Lmfao The Absolute State of Nijikeks

>>14001245
There's literally more than 8k translated clips, holofag. Don't talk about what you dont know when you only know hololive.

>>14001399
Not counting events, gen 6 collab ban ends shortly before the new year and fresh collab buffs might boost viewership for most of January.

>>14001423
Because unsustainable growth is bad for industries. Cover is going scorched earth and will collapse the market.

Speaking of clippers, I can barely name one notable Nijisanji clippers while Hololive, I'd have to use two sets of hands and feet to count them all. The funny thing is, it applies to both HoloEN and HoloJP clipping scenes so that makes 4 sets of hands and feet.

The clipping scene for Nijisanji is so barren.

>>14001464
>8k
Sorry is that supposed to be impressive?

>>14001491
Because you being a contrarian doesn't actually prove that Cover's quality is bad.
>>14001464
I... hope you think that's a lot.

>>14001520
Considering how 774, Vspo and other agencies barely have anything, it's much better than the alternative.
>>14001502
Of course you can't, you are a holofag. lol

>>14001491
>unsustainable growth
Oh boy is that a new addition to the nijicope list?

>>14000465
Probably the same approach she did in gen 5 and holo EN debuts, she just let things happen and focus on her fanbase as usual.

>>14001578
I think that one is already on the list

>>14001571
So it's actually not impressive

>>14001491
>unsustainable growth
>forcibly acquire fans
This is the numbers thread. Back it up with numbers, not your shitty schizo fantasy.

>>14001450
>>14001471
Right, HoloX Collab Ban being lifted off...

Based on what i see, HoloX CCV Median, 2 months after debut will be:
Chloe: 15k+ (shion tier)
Laplus: 12k+ (ina'nis tier)
Koyori: 9k+ (flare tier)
Iroha: 7k+ (fauna tier)
Lui: 6k+ (towa tier)

NIJICOPE LIST
>building a sub-culture
>slow and steady growth
>merch sales
>no longer showing off their achievements on their page because they have shown more humility
>percentages
>tournaments don't count
>fortune telling
>volume
>averages
>total CCV during primetime
>trailers are ads
>Google trends
>Holo EN was a desperate gambit
>Holo's forcibly acquired audience vs Niji's natural growth
>stop picking on midgets! fight someone your own size!
>pit Vshojo against HoloEN when you're losing
>pit HoloEN against HoloJP when you're losing
>pit former Holo against HoloJP when you're losing
>Holobubble is bursting
>foreign buff/global audience bad, muh local Nips good
>YouTube Japan trends
>Apex will only get more popular from now on!
>flexible creative freedom
>Holo's restrictive management will cause them to eventually graduate
>Cover uses bots
>Hal is honorary Niji
>Kson is honorary Niji
>Ui is honorary Niji
>Most vtubers are Nijisanji like and Nijisanji is part of greater vtuber community
>Nijisanji fans are more passionate about their livers and will leave dislikes to show their engagement
>Sponsorships are retarded
>Hololive's merch and sponsorship bad because companies underestimated them which means that they don't care about the cheap collab
>Koshien is not an event
>Nijisanji is solidifying their other markets while keeping their strong home market
>Pre-recorded lives are technically premiers and shouldn't count
>Cover is just lucky to have clippers and algorithm on their side
>Hololive invented unicorns
>Watchalongs are POVs
>Nijisanji isn't a corporation, it's a family
>Each Twitch viewer is equivalent to about 1.5 Youtube viewers because Selen flopped her first Twitch stream and Selen never flops
>Evil God Korone is an event game.
>All non holos are nijis
>muh subs to growth ratio
>I'd rather be popular with casuals in my own country than being viral in some backwater shit place
>Maybe we should compare Hololive proper to Nijisanji and leave gen 3 to themselves.
>Holo growth is bad

>>14001502
Because a lot of clippers that clipped Niji in the past either stopped or changed to become Holo clippers

>>14001571
>hey let's not compare it to our main competitor but midgets who can't even light a candle in comparison
>yeah it makes me look good so who cares fuck you
>>14001635
And fuck you for ruining the consistency of the list. The last few looks like it's written by a 30 IQ retard

>>14001502
They exist, they just are not flooding the algorithm with dozens of clips per day by mincing up videos.
>>14001615
What more do you need then the monthly superchats? The passion has clearly been sucked out of Hololive EN's fans. Tourists and freeloaders need not be mentioned.

>>13997362
The more things change the more things stay the same WHO WILL BE CARDBOARD FOR HOLOFES 3 ???

>>14001635
>slow and steady growth
This is the one I'll understand the least of every meme. How in the world is constantly spamming new chuubas and generations at double the rate of Hololive "slow and steady"?

>>14001707
Irys

>>14001615
Nta, but tell that to the nijifags.
They're the one who are deluded by their own narratives and fantasy

>>14001654
Yeah because their viewership turns to shit.
I myself unsubbed and stopped watching clippers who began posting nijis (even if it's only a ratio of 1 nijiclip for every 5holoclips)

>>14001704
Which one is working?
And how many times do you want people to debunk your monthly SCs cope for you to give up?

>>13997540
Surprising, after the drama

>>14001464
NIJINIGGER AND BRAGGING ABOUT LOW ASS NUMBER
WHAT A COMBINATION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6iAx9Nkdqk
her fucking manager is awesome

>>14001707
IRyS, 100%.

>>14001768
the veterans handle the newbies, they are doing an excellent job

>>14001726
Nijicope doesn't have to make sense, you can see that by the retard trying to push Holo clippers are bad because they clip holos, niji clippers are good because they clip nijis

>>14001743
The one that makes quality content instead of clickbait. Debunk it all you want, I prefer quality numbers.

Sc numbers always depends on the streamer and her sc culture. Council hates money hence less money, irys loves and baits money and she receives more money. Simple as. Just look at ayamy who makes bank from 2 digit views. I am hopeful for orca, just wondering if her old fans are coming back and establishing her old sc culture where they throw embarrassing lines to mock her.

>>14001704
>monthly SC
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO. HoloEN doesn't care about SC that much because that's not the bulk of their income. Sponsorship is where the money is.

>>14001847
>quality numbers
AHAHAHAHA
what the fuck?
theres only BIG and SMALL number, go back here when you're 18+ jamal

>>14001671
>The last few looks like it's written by a 30 IQ retard
Goes to show the quality of nijiniggers these days

>>14001847
It's still your objective opinion. No one cares about your "quality numbers".
Also it's not working you retard otherwise we wouldn't have this argument in the first place.

Do holos play whatever they want? Honestly they play a lot of dogshit games that are bad stream games. Laplus first stream game was literally a fucking card game. Doesn't create reactions, funny moments, nobody who hasn't played can understand it. Awful, literally mario brothers is better content by far.

>>14001739
kek imagine saying something like that when you are a fucking tribalist who unsub because there's a niji clip. retard

>>14001847
>quality numbers
Oh yeah this is definitely going on the list

>>14001726
>you dont understand, you need to be slow and steady before pic related

>>14001847
What the fuck is qulity numbers ?

NIJICOPE LIST
>building a sub-culture
>slow and steady growth
>merch sales
>no longer showing off their achievements on their page because they have shown more humility
>percentages
>tournaments don't count
>fortune telling
>volume
>averages
>total CCV during primetime
>trailers are ads
>Google trends
>Holo EN was a desperate gambit
>Holo's forcibly acquired audience vs Niji's natural growth
>stop picking on midgets! fight someone your own size!
>pit Vshojo against HoloEN when you're losing
>pit HoloEN against HoloJP when you're losing
>pit former Holo against HoloJP when you're losing
>Holobubble is bursting
>foreign buff/global audience bad, muh local Nips good
>YouTube Japan trends
>Apex will only get more popular from now on!
>flexible creative freedom
>Holo's restrictive management will cause them to eventually graduate
>Cover uses bots
>Hal is honorary Niji
>Kson is honorary Niji
>Ui is honorary Niji
>Most vtubers are Nijisanji like and Nijisanji is part of greater vtuber community
>Nijisanji fans are more passionate about their livers and will leave dislikes to show their engagement
>Sponsorships are retarded
>Hololive's merch and sponsorship bad because companies underestimated them which means that they don't care about the cheap collab
>Koshien is not an event
>Nijisanji is solidifying their other markets while keeping their strong home market
>Pre-recorded lives are technically premiers and shouldn't count
>Cover is just lucky to have clippers and algorithm on their side
>Hololive invented unicorns
>Watchalongs are POVs
>Nijisanji isn't a corporation, it's a family
>Each Twitch viewer is equivalent to about 1.5 Youtube viewers because Selen flopped her first Twitch stream and Selen never flops
>Evil God Korone is an event game.
>All non holos are nijis
>muh subs to growth ratio
>I'd rather be popular with casuals in my own country than being viral in some backwater shit place
>Maybe we should compare Hololive proper to Nijisanji and leave gen 3 to themselves.
>Holo growth is bad
>I prefer quality numbers

>>14001933
Numbers that are painted in gold apparently.

>>14001847
>quality numbers
What the fuck does that mean? Keep coping.

YAMADAAAA WHYYYYY

AND LOOK THAT PFP. HOW CAN YOU LET IT HAPPEN

>>13999615
>>13999640
>>13999718

Based

>>14001847
This is why you dont skip school ahmed-kun..

>>14001956
Kek

>>14001977
>supreme numberfag losing to another numberfag

Incredible

JP6 is going to be a fucking bloodbath

>>14001933
Numbers that make my side look good, as opposed to actual numbers that all seem to make nijisanji look bad, I wonder why.

>>14001977
shit mumei, yamada going to pass you!!!
quick do unarchive karaoke

>>14001886
>>14001894
>>14001922
Obviously the schizos here cannot understand tourists do not support companies. Just like the South Part social commentary will say, hippies don't have any money.
>>14001956
Yes if that helps, imagine numbers painted in gold.

>>13999969
Okay, who the fuck said he dropped Shuba?

>>14001847
>quality numbers.
LOOK AT HIM
LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH

>>14001755
those are only jp clips and that's a lot.
>>14001607
I didn't say it was impressive. Point is that nijisanji is the only one outside of hololive with translated clips.
>>14001671
Nijisanji JP to the west might as well be the same as midgets considering how most of vtuber fans in here only watch hololive and a sizeable niche watches JP clips. Mofumofu, Asajapa and others doing compilations, among other stuff, helped it.
https://www.youtube.com/c/MofuMofuSubs

>>14002036
pretty sure Subaru is still his oshi. otherwise he would've changed his picture by now

>>13999969
How to make 20k us dollars monthly as a third worlder.

>>14001847
Put me in the screenshot

>>14002051
im a retard, I meant that they have a sizeable fanbase compared to other jp due to clippers but they might as well be the same size in the west as 774, vspo and other smaller agencies.

Kronii's chat is getting flooded by Koreans right now btw

>>14000359
ToT

>>14002024
>he says, while defending a literal tourist central

>>14001901
This is subjective opinion but yamada made both games kino as fuck and i don't even play shadowverse and valorant. Both are still pretty bad stream games and that is more testament to yamada's skills.

>>14001977
My god, the intern already surpassed her boss...I didnt expected it to happened that fast

*Insert Gas Gas Gas song

>>14002127
It's all FEH fans now.
I thought she's gonna announce something important but it turns put it's just her gacha rolls.

This clock just played FEH during her break

>>14002186
Are you sure about that, because Nijisanji EN's viewership is stable amongst individual streamers.

>>14001901
I feel like holo's greatest weakness is how limited their game library are. They all play the same stuff for the most part.

>>14001847
whats funny is the nip nijifags actually also use the quality cope

>>14002292
>Who's NijiJP?
I thought Pomu was in Koshien?

>>14002127
I'm surprised Koreans still love Hololive. I thought the fad died down already over there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6iAx9Nkdqk
Predictions?
If she gets good numbers in this then Manager-chan i kneel!

>>14002298
and? how about the number they generate with these limited library?

>>14002014
I don think anything the Owl do can match the rate of gen 6 sub growth at this rate

Why are so many retards replying to bait and schizos? Is it samefagging? Or just newfags who dont know how to ignore bait

Okay, why are nijifags getting mad at clippers now?

>>14002377
I see an ant on the side of the road while walking on the streets, I step on it.
Sorry can't help it.

>>14002377
291 posts with only 69 posters anonchama, do the math yourself

>>14002361
25k-30k

>>14002371
they are great but i think they would do better though if they did more variety. If everyone plays the same game some people are gonna get fatigue. Not to mention if someone doesn't like that game and they all play it, well they are out of luck.

On the topic of clips and numbers. The guy who made this animation has gained more than 30k subscribers in the past 5 days. The video is at 1.2Million views now.
https://youtu.be/32RJPfqxwFo

>>14002434
On one hand if a game gets good numbers everyone else will play it in a short amount of time.
On the other hand if they space it out the hype dies down and the numbers also go down.
Pick your poison I guess.

>>14001847

>>14002452
Well deserved

>>14002452
when will nijifan get creative then get the number like this?

>>14001954
>Google trends
That's a retarded metric, but you might want to take it off the coping list for a month or so until Gen6 hype is over because I don't think Google Trends anon is going to be around for a while...

>>14002537
When they get their own Watamage

>>14002537
they are busy being schizos

>>14002452
That video has pure soul placed into it. Imagine the number of hours placed to finishing this shit. Meanwhile, Nijis struggling for clips.

>>14002564
OH NO NO NO NO NIJIBROS?

>>14002716
Anykara actually has Disney-tier copyright policy in regards to fanworks, that's why Niji fanworks cannot thrive because Anykara would just send takedown notices to it.

>>14001768
What are the chance of Calli join in the chat?

>>14002801
Absolutely zero. Did you forget about the collab ban anon ?

>>14002716
>>14002452
Damn i loved it. Thank you for sharing this.
The guy deserve the views and subs

>>14002361
See now this is an excellent setup. Iroha already made it crystal clear how much she loves FF14, so setting up an obstacle in her way before she can play it really makes it easy to grab attention and get people to cheer for her. Bravo, holoX manager

>>14002922
Calli already appeared at Laplus's stream. The ban only applies to inter-gen/branch collabs.

>>14002970
Did she appear in voice chat? I assume regular chat is fine, but voice chat is banned.

>>14002970
Chatting on stream doesn't count as a collab.

>>14002372
Not until the debut buff wears off, at least. Then it’s a matter of where the sub growth rates settle.

>>14002377
I like angy orca
This should be OP for new thread

What's up with Nijisanji stifling fanworks? And Nijisanji fans dare to say they have more quality fan stuff?

What in bizarro world is this nonsense?

>>14002966
Speaking of FF14, do you think numbers all over the board will be lowered as people go play the newest expansion? I think there's actually quite a bit of overlap between FFXIV fans and vtuber fans - hell, I know some like Ina and Fubuki will definitely spend their weekend with Endwalker, some like Miyabi and Finana actually plan to stream it too.

>>14003173
It's what happens when you let your talents copystrike clips just so they can upload it on their own channel

>>14003235
Some games including MMO are great for playing while you have stream in the background or on the second monitor/Phone. Doubt It will affect shit.

>>14002786
That sounds like fucking bullshit. Link said policy or stuff it, we don't need MORE goddamn rrats running around. (I am aware they took down the ranking of original songs, but that may have been due to playing too long of parts of the songs than anything)

>>14000610
When it comes to thumbnail/title design, it has to capture the viewers attention so they click it over the many other vids they see listed. So, people are just choosing nijisanji stuff less due to less interest in their content or poor design of the thumbnails/titles.

>>14003235
IMO yes, but it'll be a minor drop at most, since FFXIV story is pretty goddamn ez from a difficulty perspective, and 'watching netflix while running dungeons' is a meme with enough truth to it to make it sting.

>>14003548
Also, I should add, that shorter clips seem to be rather successful not just on youtube but on other platforms like twitter, instagram, tiktok, etc. There are probably people analyzing the success of such content

>>14001847
>I prefer quality numbers

>>14003519
one case i remember that happening was when /nasfaq/ tried to add Pomucoin, but was shut down because apparently anykara contacted them about it. they might be more knowledgeable about the policy since they experienced it firsthand.

>>14002377
I miss the mask bros... but I accepted that she is doing way better without it.

gib predictions onegai

>>14003235
yes it will be ark again

>>14003235
Maximum ccv for end walker won't be at release because only the people who know the story so far care about it enough to watch but will be busy playing it themselves or avoiding spoilers until they can play it. A week or two after release would probably be the best time since a good chunk of the crowd will have gone through it and want to see reactions to the story events from streamers they like.

>>14003742
20k
depending on progress it can rise to 30k or go as lows as 13k

>>14003742
I'm gonna guess 18k

>>14003742
do you think having Calli in the chat will increase the CCV?

>>14003742
15k-30k
The fact that she's baiting that she can't play FFXIV until she finishes it means the longer it goes (and thus the longer she's blocked from being able to get to early access which is in....1 hour from now) the longer she'll suffer ingame and onstream, which will boost her numbers.

>>14003853
such a fucking nigger. literally hijacking chat on one of the debutants first streams, what the fuck is the collab ban for?

>>14003716
Just checked the archives, and apparently it may have been due to the numberfagging nature of nasfaq more than just a blanket issue with fanworks. In fact, all the issues seem to stem from the fact that nijiniggers can't help themselves and will go full intra-company shitflinging over numbers (the original song rankings and pomucoin).

>>14003855
she needs to finish jump king first before she's allowed to play KEK

>>14003853
i dont know. clips will probably be made from this shit.

>>14003933
why are KFP like this?

>>14004110
i think ive sperged enough about her in the wrong thread. where its relevent: shes pretty much injecting herself in a guaranteed high view stream, hijacking chat, making the chuuba acknowledge her and all in one of the first key streams that a new chuuba needs to establish themselves. leech is essentially siphoning viewers to make this all about MEMEMEMEME

>>14004226
No faggot, Callie played this game and wanted to tell her she's watching as support/to laugh. There isn't anything deeper to it

>>14003941
There is a reason we call them nijiniggers

>>14003941
Competitive nature pleas andastan

>>14004265
no. and this is a numbers thread, fight me in gozaru thread.

>>14003742
She's already at 22k, so guess the ceiling next.

>>14004473
i wasnt gonna make a comment until it overtakes the 30k mark that most people predicted.

>>14003855
Holy shit her mane is a genius. She is definetly fit this numbergen better than with nene

f-four vtubers who are numberfags caring about getting trended. four vtubers in the same gen that are now getting 25k+ live views... this gen..!

>>14004741
Spoiled brats... seducing adults!!!! Needs rape correction!!

>>14004717
So Fubuki and Flare lost 2k and 700 viewers respectively when Iroha started. That's not that high. It's good.

>>14004717
Has chihiro finnaly get over her apex autismo?

>>14004741
/our/ gen!

>>14004741
Well, give it a bit of time. This gen has definitely had the biggest splash yet, but we know how these things go, debut buffs exist, and they CAN go on for a while. If, after 3 months, they're still ALL pulling 10k+ and everyone else's numbers are stable? It'll be the complete success.

>>14004741
I'm not surprised if their mane is numberfag

>>14004842
their manager runs these threads and is using all the data analyzed

>>14004110
>>14004226
>>14004265
>>14004405

>They actually fought in /gozaru/

>>14004937
didn't take much to defeat the anti reaper schizo

>>14002716
every scene is overflowing with love, i'm glad this guy's work paid off

>>14002452
Getting the views and recognition it deserves.

what did she tell you?

>>14005179
When you guys mindbreak seaniggers like this guy can you keep them in the thread instead of letting them leak out? Thanks.

>>14004937
>kek gozaru

>>14005143
Why are Holo animations so.....bad?

>>14005238
You touched it, it’s yours now.

>>14005238
Dont be a pussy and go beat that guy deadbrap. Defend your oshi faggot!

>>14005238
Kek let them seethe and cope as they slowly dilate and ran off somewhere else, don't bite the bait

>>14005238
just ignore them and talk about iroha's numbers continually increasing until 100k

Not enough urgency.
Mane-san should get FF XIV for herself and play it in front of Ninnin.

Does holo have permission for FF14? Why doesn't Iroha just stream it?

>>14005238
you can keep it

Trending no1 de gozaru.

>>14005436
her manager knows it's all she'll stream

>>14005436
get big number first before she is allowed

>>14005436
need to make a new character/account for that..

>>14005436
Would need to make a new char+boost to avoid self-doxing.

hai she made it, 30k

>>14005543
>twitter trending #1
>now reach 30k
I love this gen. They're all numberfags

>>14005543
Aaaaand she's lost 800+ people.
They're probably going to play FFXIV RIGHT NOW.

>>14005436
She wanted to keep playing on her private account, probably because making a new one wouldn't let her go to new content right away, thus she wanted to take break to do it off stream. Manager said, she can't do that until she brings numbers in by beating Jump King.

>>14005619
what do we call mane-chan, Alpha?

>>14005610
>playing
We're sitting in queue to get in lol.

>>14005732
Shut up.
I error'd out and now I have to sit in queue too fuck. I clicked in right as the servers went up too.

>>14005610
Nah this is still the perfect time to watch vtubers while waiting, we have to fight tons of errors and queues and who knows how broken everything would be if we can even get in.

>>14005436
>1mil subs and mane-chan will get the permit for her

Imagine being forced to stream by mane-chan on launch day of the biggest expansion release in recent memory.

Bros ... Iroha may be bad at Jump King ...

>>14005797
Based mane-chan. Whip the number into them

>>14005806
How can she be bad at Jump King when she has had to do all those platforming challenges in FFXIV? She has to be faking...

>>14005797
It's the same as all those poor motherfuckers who couldn't get a sick leave. She just needs to do her job, before she can play.

>>14005797
Cover managers are slave drivers so it's no surprise. Just look at what they did to nene, forcing the girl to do project and promos until she broke.

>>14005868
JK is a bad game with bullshit controls. If it was legit platformer, Korosan, Okayu and Flare would already have played it and speed ran it.

It's same with GOI

>>14005925
she no broke

she rich

>>14005925
>Cover managers are slave drivers-

>>14005932(me)
Also, numbers come from being bad at it.

>>14005932
I mean, both games can be speedrun, its just the level of precision required for the games is pretty rough, especially as stream games.

>>14005925
kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_-KX-4inqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_-KX-4inqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_-KX-4inqg

La Lion back to Trials in 2hr

>>14005932
t. Fall King

>>14005932
Of course, it's supposed to be a frustrating experience since they are basically streamer games. All their value consist of the reactions when the streamer fails. Players that play the game for themself are self haters.

>>14005797
As long as she has FFXIV queueing on another screen, she'll finally get through the queue at the perfect moment when she finishes Jump King.

>>14005954
Ayame gets away with it, best cocksucker in all of japan.

>>14005968
What I wanna say is that your platformer skills don't help much with these games. You need muscle memory and be good at this one particular game/practice only this game to speed run it.

Meanwhile, your bullet hell skills can help you a lot from touhou to undertale.

>>14006050
you can spam most jumps with max jumps and then the ones that arent max jumps have very high error- oh she just fell again

>>14005925
how do we explain Council's case?

>>14005925
If that's the case, explain Council anonchama.

>>14005610
I fucking wish

>>14006123
Don't believe it. This gen has just had a long period of time to sit and think, and its easier to get driven JP chubbas and 2views that AREN'T massive drama magnets than it is in the EN scene. I mean, have you seen how often drama flares up in the EN indie scene? Gods, sifting through that mess (and the nonsense that COVER = BLACK COMPANY that seems to have perpetuated through it) no doubt makes it difficult to scout people that are both driven AND not drama-prone. I'm sure they exist, but...

>>14006123
Its simple, EN branch is run differently. Just look at how their only content on their main channel- I mean subchannel is just random short clips from various streams, meanwhile even ID channel have skits they have the talents do from time to time.

Jump King is back at 30k. Honestly, it's an acceptably entertaining stream.

Iroha 30k get

>>14006193
driven and drama unprone people are plentiful. just don't live muttland or europoor

>>14006333
I honestly can't tell if Mori is trying to be a good supportive senpai or trying to leech off gen 6 like crazy. Could be either really

>>14006353
Driven and drama unprone people are infinitely more likely NOT to jump into chubbaland anon, they're likely living productive lives in other fields already.
Also the fact that they have to be ENTERTAINING on top of it all and I doubt envy the people who had to sift through the applications for Council at all.

>>14006404
I thought you're fighting someone in the gozaru thread?