/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>74,566: Chloe (Hololive)
>54,059: Iroha (Hololive)
>37,003: Noel (Hololive)
>36,015: Pekora (Hololive)
>35,596: Chloe (Hololive)
>30,367: Subaru (Hololive)
>29,428: Lui (Hololive)
>26,150: Hayato Kagami
>24,428: Subaru (Hololive)
>23,960: Lui (Hololive)
>22,996: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>19,792: Lui (Hololive)
>18,165: Koyori (Hololive)
>18,025: Kanata (Hololive)
>16,834: Gatchaman (Indie)
>16,155: Mumei (Hololive)
>13,611: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>13,419: Shibuya Hal (merise)
>12,181: Ina (Hololive)
>11,826: Ollie (Hololive)
>10,230: Botan (Hololive)

Cover just needs to recruit a renown musician (Kronii is a mixer), then they won't even need to commission 3rd parties, strengthening the Holo bubble.

>>13969173
singers that are composers too, are that rare?

>>13969297
yes, there is a reason why singers usually work in team. That's why Mori was such a good catch for Cover, because she could basically handle the entire music production process outside of MVs.

>>13969297
Camellia is one, and he worked for Hololive a couple of times too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi8JsKV7a10

>>13969563
Hmmm? Camelia? The dude that collabed with Holofunk? Or rather the mod about him

>>13969596
I think Camelia is a musical group with a cutie as her main Vocal

La+ replaced the Japanese title of her Valorant video with an English one.
Did she plan that ahead of time?

>>13970053
I love this numberfag gen

>SEA goes too sleep
>thread turns slow and civil

>>13969596
he's the guy who composed Holomyth's BGM.
>>13969633
He's pic related, but yeah he as girls to provide vocals for his songs. Nanahira is a very frequent one.

how long should holox take to get monetized?

>>13970191
It do be like that.
Now it's the time of Eurochads.

>>13970257
kek all this time I though it was a girls band

>>13969060
Did Nijisanji just put in all their vacation time this week?

>>13970264
Usual pace seems to be a couple of weeks post debut at most

>>13970053
it's a localized title newfag

>>13969396
Mori can make MVs, that was sort of her specialty pre-Hololive, it just takes an insane amount of time to do shit like that so it isn't really viable for her to devote her time to that anymore.

>>13970321
Just normal Nijisanji.

>>13970264
1 week, 2 at most

Ina releases her new cover and will have a behind the scenes talk stream. Why I am saying it? Because if she goes longer than 1 hour, is going to clash with Chloe's morning stream, so I expect Ina to drop out.
And in any case, Chloe's numbers should tell us if she has a good EOP following or if she created a loyal fanbase already.

>>13969396
>because she could basically handle the entire music production process outside of MVs
What do you mean by this? Do you mean she does the work herself? Or do you mean she pays out of her own pocket to commision work from other musicians she's connected with?

>>13970447
NTA but Mori posses all the skills to do everything herself. Pretty obvious why she outsources it because it takes a long time.

>>13970447
She can do composing, lyric writing, singing, and mixing all by herself, and also apparently MVs too so theatrically she could do nothing but pump out song month after month with no external support other than her salary from cover. It's not really feasible for her to do that these days due to how big hololive has gotten and what a fucking timesink it is, but in a hypothetical world where hololive didn't blow up like it did it's entirely possible that Mori would've become an Azki like being where she streams for twice a month and spends the rest of that time working on songs

>>13970447
most likely that she has an established network and as such can probably also get competative rates due to length of relationship

>>13970586
>Mori posses all the skills to do everything herself
>>13970636
>and mixing all by herself
Sources for this? I'm only curious because I'm heavily experienced in audio and have seen no sign of her being skilled with the technical stuff, apart from recording obviously. I've only ever seen her import and move some samples around in a DAW and talk as if she knows what she's doing.

>>13969173
Why so secretive? What song is this?

>>13971971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIv_yYKl9tQ

>>13971971
the new one

>>13969060
Do you think Omega is going to get a please explain from JP management about why EN is sliding so badly right as JP starts booming again? Only 1 EN made the list, pretty bad.

>>13972056
do you think your mother dropped you on your head as a child or are you just genetically retarded?

>>13972056
>Only 1
Your eyesight reps anon...

>>13972089
Oh Ina managed to sneak in right at the bottom with a buff game. 2 ENs then, both of them well under 20k. Still awful, awful performance.

>>13972131
so you're genetically retarded then?

>enschizo is back from his forced vacations

en schizo get back to the bed I'm not done with you yet

>>13972143
Seething globalfag. EN was reddit that's why your thread got split off in the first place and now it's dying and I will watch you cry and seethe about it every single day.

>>13972056
No but I'm sure Omega can explain why you are a retard.

>>13972272
Have fun clipwatching you JSL larping faggot

Globalfags sure are taking their branch declining badly aren't they

>>13972272
>I will watch you cry and seethe about it every single day
Yeah, you will since you are here 24 hours a day. Either find something better to do or go back to /jp/ like the dog fucker you are.

>Seething globalfag. EN was reddit that's why your thread got split off in the first place and now it's dying and I will watch you cry and seethe about it every single day.

>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T POINT OUT BARELY ANYONE WATCHES EN ANYMORE YOU WILL NEVER BE JAPANESE! THE NUMBERS ARE RIGGED!

Anon got lost or something? Why does he think this is some sort of "global" that clearly lives in his head among the voices?

>OH NO MY LIES ARE GETTING CALLED OUT BETTER START DEFLECTING AND MOCKING

>>13972452
Where's the lie?

Why is anon samefagging and talking to himself?

stop interacting with enschizo, retards

>>13972404
Come on now. Barely is NijiEN. No one watches that. HoloEN still can bring numbers but not as big as HoloJP and while I think they're lazy and should be doing the grind like NijiEN does, they're still fine and can even win sometimes to NijiJP.

>>13972525
Thread's going slow anonchama, prime bait biting hours.

>>13972545
For what it's worth NijiEN would be lower-mid tier in nijisanji

>>13972571
actually that reminds me, didn't we used to have a niji average views a month pic back in the day? Whatever happened to that?

>>13972660
This one?

enschizo now went back to global to attempt more baits >>13972662

>>13972721
no, it was color coded with each niji having their monthly average. I recall the chart only going up to 10k and everyone who had a monthly average higher than that all got lumped in the same category

>>13972545
I mean relative to their subcounts. If you normalize number of viewers compared to subcount HoloEN is doing a LOT worse than NijiEN. Kiara barely manages to get above Selen and she has quadruple the number of subs. If you remove special events like costume reveals EN is on a pretty consistent downslide since the start of the year with fewer and fewer people bothering to tune in.

There's a lot to blame for this. Not having consistent streaming schedules with allocated timeslots, boring game choice, pushing a meme too hard (Moris totsu Jump King was a brilliant idea but she ran the concept into the ground within a week, she could've made it a regular weekend event and it would've slowly become an anticipated stream)

But a lot of it is to do with mismanagement. Hence the original question about Omega getting a call from the JP branch about why EN is declining so badly.

>>13972862
>I mean relative to their subcounts
stop reading there

>>13972730
That's not me and for someone slinging around the term schizo you sure are committed to the idea there's only one person on this board who hates HoloEN.

>>13972914
weird, the baits on global stopped when you came reply here

>>13972984
Take your meds. Globalfags are universally hated outside their hugbox.

>>13972914
sure it isn't bro, I believe you.
Btw I know a nigerian prince who needs some money to free up his account, if you wire me somewhere in the vincinity of 10k dollars I can send you back 30k in about a few weeks.

>>13973076
>One cancer calling another cancer cancer

huh Ina's song dropped me directly into her waiting room, is that a new feature or something?

>>13972862
>I mean relative to their subcounts
kek

>NijiEN has a lower viewership
>NijiEN also has a lower sub count
>but if you divide these two lower numbers by each other, somehow it makes them bigger

This is your mind in NijiCOEP

>>13972862
>>13972907
Lol they have an order of magnitude more subs, views, and ccv but the ratio means they are doing worse! Do people really get satisfaction by pretending to be retarded multiple times a day for months on end?

>>13972914
No need to be so humble. We know its you. No need to give the credit to somebody else. You came here when Global was moving at lightning speed because of Ina's song. Realized that they wouldn't even see your bait at that speed.

>>13972862
>if you wave your hands and make a bunch of shit up Cover is going go have to auction off Nene's used socks to remain solvent.
t. delusional whackadoodle

>>13973257
I mean you sure never get tired of spewing your ratiocope for months on end thinking that this day you will not get laughed out of the numbers thread so you tell me.

>>13972862
Sub count doesn't mean shit. Look at Kizuna. She is 2.98M and in her free 3D concert got 15K.
I agree with you, don't get me wrong but taking it to the subs perpective is not a good argument.

>>13973257
EN don't have an order of magnitude more CCV than Niji. Most of HoloEN barely manage to double NijiEN CCV these days if that. Considering that includes Mori "1.8 million subs" Calliope they're massively underperforming. Even if you ignore subs and just look at their view counts from early in the year, Jan and Feb the difference is huge.

LOOK
>Elon Musk has money money than me
>Elon Musk is also taller than me
But if you take the height / net worth ratio I'm ahead, ELON MUSK BTFO!

>13972862
Nijiniggers and their "what if" relativity. I can drop $1 on a 2views, and they will relatively perform better than NijiEN. Nijiniggers love to place their vtubers as the second worst performers just to one up the other company. Hololive is so strong that they can't help thinking about Hololive all the time.

>>13973257
nigger we don't do ccv to ratio bullshit here because it leads to ridiculous stuff like the best performing vtuber in the world is some nijiID because they have 100 subs and 200 viewers, amongst other bullshit. Not that you actually care about that since we've been explaining that to you since ratio cope was a thing in this thread and here you are still shilling it

>>13973453
>EN don't have an order of magnitude more CCV than Niji.
Yes they do

>Most of HoloEN barely manage to double NijiEN CCV these days if that.
The lowest HoloEN (Sana) has double the median of the highest NijiEN (Selen)

NijiEN only had 4 streamers ahead of
>RISU(!)
in November.

Again: Out of the 10 NijiEN, only 4 outranked Risu
And again:
>SANA
doubled the median of Selen

>>13973574
> some nijiID because they have 100 subs and 200 viewers
This is false and never happened.

I feel like Niji beating beat out so badly has left this thread without purpose. It's just shitposts now. Even Kuzeha is a footnote now. This is /#/ without any real competition. A soulless husk

>>13973453
>Most of HoloEN barely manage to double NijiEN CCV these days if that
THIS IS WHAT NIJINIGGERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>13973607
We should make this pic the next op

>>13973607
>the bottom holoEN doubles the best nijiEN

>>13973735
This thread is already shitty enough without attracting more schizos

>>13973774
the shizos are already here spreading lies, might as well make the best of it.

>>13973607
Imagine having half your branch mogged by Risu.
And nijiniggers still dare bring up their EN branch in the numbers thread without dying of shame on the spot

Can you fags stop shitting up the catalog, my generals are dying.

>>13974167
Join force with other generals.

>>13973607
Normally I don't care about numberfaggotry, especially with EN, but that shit is funny.

Selen has an big event coming up with some most of the most popular western streamers. People there are in it are Valkyrie, syukkuno, pokimane and diguised toast. There are also plenty of professional apex / esport gamers in it If she does will then there be great publicity for her and nijisanji en. Nijisanji en probably see an big incline if she does well or has an funny moment. This probably breakout moment that nijisanji en been waiting for.

>>13974289
We have already seen that Twitch collabs do nothing for growth, several times

>>13974289
How does this compare with the Crab Game with big western streamers?

>>13974289
>Nijisanji en probably see an big incline
I've heard this since wave1 debuted.

>>13974289
oh yea 10th time is the charm

>>13974289
>Nijisanji en probably see an big incline
This has to be the niji version of "the three gorges dam will collapse any day now" cope

>>13974289
>nijinigger still thinks that a le funny moment would cause a real incline, despite the shit personality

>>13974289
Yeah, just like the apex tourna..., no just like the collab with Vsho...., or maybe like the anniversa...

> This event will make NijiEN incline!

>>13974289
Only selen will incline with this if she incline whatsoever.

>>13973649
Nijicope went overdrive into delusions. They've become nijischizo

>>13973607
HoloEN is to NijiEN what HoloJP is to HoloEN

>>13974289
If Towa only slightly inclines from winning a 350k-750k watched apex tournament, what makes you think your inferior purple woman is going to do well? Niji graduated the wrong purple Apex girl.

>>13974541
HoloEN atleast has Gura at 20k,
NijiEN don't have anyone close to 5k.
The comparison is not fair.

>ENfags celebrating because they came first in the special olympics of vtubing
This is just sad now. The cope when Pekora was getting 30k a night compared to Guras 20k was bad but it's gone into overdrive now that HoloX completely smashed Council in every conceivable way.

>>13974289
One off collab doesn't work for increasing her viewers. She needs some continuous collab to do that

>>13974541
But unlike NijiEN, HoloEN holds the highest outfit reveal, and multiple record breaking milestones. NijiEN has... uh... They are just there.

>>13974732
>HoloX completely smashed Council in every conceivable way.
False, council destroy them in the laziness department.

>>13974289
She really is clinging on to Apex to help her incline.

>>13974541
lol no, come say that when selen can go toe to toe with Kuzuha, right now she couldn't even see Kuzuha's boots

>>13974747
Ironmouse has been continuously collabing with irl ecelebs. She never incline.

>>13974840
it's a pity apex is a dying game.

>>13974289
>apex
>Twitch streamers

It doesn't work like that, small numbers always flog to big numbers in events like these especially on twitch. Even for twitch streamers to leech from the bigger ones like otv, they need to constant collab in a one on one basis. I know of a sure fire way to incline, just have nijien dramawhore and react to the big twitch streamers.

>>13974832
I concede the point

What does "illegal view funneling" mean? Where did it come from? Please spoonfeed.
t. Black company overtime please andastand.

>>13974747
Random low view vtubers in these big collabs are basically background extras for the actual stars. This is like thinking being one of the people who get shot in the first round of Squid Game are getting a big break.

>>13974854
When did Kuzuha join HoloJP?

>>13969060
Pekora only 36k what happened?

>>13974840
>has to be carried by cute hapa thai girl
>has to be carried by pros offstream
>has to beg for collabs from a pro who oshis the tokyo twapper
>placed in the bottom half of the two tournaments she played in
>cant even beat three of her bronze level coworkers in a kill contest
>sulks and creates dead air when she doesn't do well
>complains about playing in sweaty predator lobbies in diamond-tier scrims
>still hasn't learned a word of japanese despite playing in all these tournaments
>got mogged on her birthday by a fucking NijiKR
The apex predator star of NijiEN, folks.

>>13974974
you know how when holos end their streams some of their viewers go to other holo streams still active? Yeah nijisisters started seething about that so that's where that meme got coined

>>13975026
We truly are at terminal level of numberot.

>>13974857
Is it collab with same person continuously or collab with many different people?

>>13974289
Ethyria already made them incline enough.

quantity homosexuals i beseech thee for thy oracle powers

>>13974289
yeah, bro, I'm sure this time will be the time, unlike the other four times this happened

>>13975112
40k

>>13975112
35k~; If she gets 50k I will knee.

>>13975092
Different people mainly OTV.

>>13974974
When a stream ends and its viewers go watch someone else in mass. It's different from a twitch raid in that the viewers aren't automatically redirected to someone else but instead choose to go on another stream by their own choice.

>>13975112

30-50k. She's going to slowly normalize to around 20-30k viewers. Honestly she was overdoing it a bit in that crappy horror game.

>>13975112
Early morning jp time, 20k. Scratch that, maybe 30k

>>13975159
What's her previous zatsu?
I remember it was on 0:00 jst?

Why don't Cover have their own version of HoloTools where you can see who is currently streaming and the scheduled streams? A huge number of normalfags don't realize what streams are going on, they're missing out on even bigger numbers if theres a single page all people can go to to immediately see whats playing.

>>13975112
30
k

What's with these absurd predictions? It's too early for 30k-40k and it's weekdays.
This is just a talk stream (her midnight one only peaked at 35k).

I predict 20k-25k. And that's already impressive.

>>13975326
uh, they do LOL

https://schedule.hololive.tv/

>>13974974
It all started when Kuzuha was collabing with other 3, Kuzuha doesn't start his stream at the same time as other 3, hence his fans will go to the other 3 to hear his voice, thus raising these 3 CCV peak until he start his own frame
One that I still remember was with Ars, she broke to 20k+ peak, but when kuzuha started his frame, she lost 10k+

>>13975377
It's shit and nobody uses it though

>>13975326
>>13975377
just keep in mind some of the girls dont post schedules or schedules can be fucked up, im pretty certain that whenever anyone is streaming it would be on there - even holostars are there.

>>13975051
>>13975184
I do wonder if there's an actual way to replicate hololive's ILLEGAL VIEW FUNNELING strat? I mean even indies like prism pro or Tsunderia, if they could find away to replicate it, would see an exponential increase in viewership and possibly even subs. There has to be more to this shit than just collabing within the box. Fucking NijiEN has been trying to recreate that shit for 3 waves now and they ended failing so bad that they accidentally created REVERSE ILLEGAL VIEW FUNNELING wherein Selen just vacuums everyones audience.

>>13975440
Then why did you ask about it?

>Matsuri: I'm ending my stream at seven. Please don't ask me why.
Holos are really having a hard time hiding the pressure they're feeling with the success of holox.

>>13975367
Don't underestimate the Orca. She pulled 75k for a regular old horror kusoge stream.

You guys are all downplaying this tournament the mere fact that nijisanji en made an big enough names for themselves to be invited to these tournaments is an big deal. That means the other people seen them as big streamers. I won't be surprised in an couple of months when people think of vtubers the common streamers will think of nijisanji en.

>>13975484
Small companies do, though, it just doesn't apply to nijien because 90% of their fans are HoloEN fans so when their streams end they just go back to hololive

>>13975440
Nips actually use it. I've seen it being mentioned several times on 5ch and futaba.

>>13969297
it's not rare or even uncommon. a lot of singers are musicians and can write and play their own music
>>13971527
i don't have any timestamps, but she's said that she's done her own mixes a few times. she never went into much detail, so she could have just been arranging vocal takes to send to the actual mix engineer, or she could have been doing more than that. what's your background in audio?

>>13975529
Yeah but it was on JP Primetime and it was a game.
This one is a talk stream on the morning. Even i can't watch her because i'm prepping for work.

>>13975548
With council flop, I can see why Selen is the 2nd choice now after myth for EN scene

Why is Orca and Samurai invading HoloEN's turf? They'll kill them! I always saw a lot of EN comments on their streams, they might suck viewers.

>>13975484
All you have to do is incentivize box pushing culture and have smart schedules.

>>13975686
They are the whip to smack these lazy EN bitches back to stream

>>13975666
>THIS IS WHAT NIJINIGGERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>13975666
Do you ever sleep?

>>13975666
Selen and Pomu make more money than Myth bar Mori and Kiara.

>>13975666
HAHAHAHHAHHA
Delusional Nijifags are just too hilarious

>>13975686
Good. They clearly deserve the views far more than EN which is the pinnacle of laziness.

>>13975548
Sure, kid, sure.

>>13975548
It's the complete opposite anon. Getting invited to shit like this is the absolute worst. This isn't like a one-on-one collab where you can showcase how entertaining you are to the other persons audience. Hell, this aint even a normal big collab where everyone is on even footing. This is a tournament setting where people are gonna flock to the big boys and the rest will be turned into background NPCs. Fucking Towa and Matsuri should have already clued you in on how shit like this actually works.

Chloe at 16k waiting

>>13975498
It's pretty simple, since two things will happen.
1. Tourist fans will go the new shiny girl like tourists do, demoralizing the talent.
2. They will be screamed at by management. This is because yagoo's house of broken girls is no more, he has moved on to become the meme, a figure head, no power. The new management will not let these golden goose be interfered with, only profit matters from now on, family is dead.

>>13975825
The ONLY way to get recognized in these types of events is to be the top damage or kill leader. Of course this only applies to CR or Hal tournaments.

>>13975886
It already started slowchama...

>>13975915
this should have happened right when Korone debuted.

>EOP pandering right at the start to keep them watching
Shes good

>>13975996
Covers new moto: blacker then black.

>>13975440
I'm using it. That tool tracks all public uploads.

Huh when did Chloe passed Mumei subs?

>>13975922
Yes, and Selen isn't skilled enough to pull off either. Hitching her wagon to APEX is going to screw her over sooner or later, especially with how she sucks at other FPS games (seriously how the fuck is that even possible?)

Almost 23k in just 10 minutes... How the fuck is Yagoo so lucky at pulling this damn SSRs?

>>13975922
Too bad is a hide and seek game

jannybros did we get too cocky?

>>13976191
Its an hide and seek game and the people in it are pretty stack.

>>13976271
It's not the talent. It's about creating the right environment for them to thrive. Its not like if Niji got Chloe instead she'd be able to pull these numbers.

Dang, Orca early morning stream gets 23k viewers currently and Lamy morning stream is coming in an hour.
I hope nothing bad gonna happen later...

>>13975608
So holomems that capable to do the mixing are
>Kronii , bae's Halloween Song
>Mori
>Moona, her first cover

How about the JPs?

>>13976347
What?

>already beating he-ayame numbers

>>13976305
>>13976353
i wonder if hes sharing the money EA is paying him to play their dying game. I would guess not.

>>13976444
this is not nijisanji

>>13976451
predictions were on the high end. 30k above

>>13976445
Noel, idk who else.

>>13976368
Makes me wonder how lain would've done if she got in Hololive (nepotism hire). Just to see how far the hololive JP buff can drag a chuuba.

Fauna...

>>13976347
not even 40k, stagnated.

>>13976560
28k now mate and still rising. You will kneel

>>13976573
Not even 10k on their prime time.. Yikes

>>13976567
>Noel
>mixing
What? Did she ever do any mixing?

>>13976573
Weebs prefer subs to dubs nothing new.

>>13976630
I never kneel nigger, you don't get how this thread works. It's never enough, they have always stagnated or reclined regardless of what the numbers say.

How many viewers did the koyote from her morning stream yesterday?

Why is Chloe beating up the en members in their own timeslot if we add up both hololive en members and nijisanji en ccv together they can't beat Chloe. What happened to the en branchs.

>>13976305
This is exactly what I don't want vtubers to be. Doing collabs with a bunch of random FPS twitch streamers named XXX420noscopeXXX. If people like that, great, and I'm glad there are vtubers for them, but I'm also glad there's vtubers that segregate themselves from it and I don't see that as a bad thing at all.

>>13976191
apex just doesn't have the same aim or movement as "traditional" fps does. being a fucked-ass source engine game does it no help here

>>13976445
I believe Iroha can do mixing

>>13976749
It's easy enough to look up yourself.

>>13976749
18k peak

>>13976749
18k

>>13976788
Wdym? EN cull is at work here, Fauna actually has 20k rn

>>13976191
Because the TTK in Apex is so fucking high whereas any other competitive FPS has a very low TTK (almost instant death sometimes).
Apex is baby's first FPS basically.

Stalling at 29k already. Still pretty impressive being that its a workday and still early morning in JP.

>>13976871
Please stop, Orca...you are going the rest of the branch at this point

>>13976965
29.5k, just 500 more onegai

>>13976817
based. Keep Interacting with twtich cancer and soon youll become the cancer yourself

All those eops.. fauna…

EN really loves to moves stream
https://twitter.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1466530035863412742?t=K_jRAULusX0Vy0iYisgFdg&s=19

>>13976788
Omega unplugged all the cables before he went "MIA" for dilation. They is upset for being ignored by JP management.

Dang Orca, you gonna mog the rest of the branch if this continue...and she haven't even removed her hoodie yet

>>13977013
Only gura with buff game can pull this number, yet this orca just.. Talking in japs

>>13977095
Mumei, now is not the best time to do that...the new gen gonna mog it all up at this point

Is Chloe the new oshi for numberfags? (Chloe fan)

>>13977186
7 am jst too. She's probably checking how big her eop fanbase is

>>13977255
do we even have an oshi? if we do we need to spam their pictures with matrix numbers

>24,241 / 29,840
Almost

>>13977308
It's Pekora. It's always been Pekora.

>>13977255
even numberfags dont actually change oshi because of numbers. Those are simply trolls

Laplus is hosting a Twitter space right now. 4.3k people so far

30k get nice

AAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE MY KNEEEEEEEEEEEEES

>>13977255
You can have an oshi, watch her streams and evaluate numbers. Or you can be a numberfag. A numberfag only looks at numbers, doesn't watch streams and a numberfag doesn't have an oshi.

I thought cunny was going to be the top performer, but it turned out to be Chloe

>>13977429
>we are in the cold war of Holo numberfags
S-sugoi.

>>13977255
she's /our/ girl and most people with sense concede that the very popular girls are very talented but that doesn't mean favourite.
>>13977499
seethe

>>13977429

Koyori is there too. 5k listening and still going up

>PC and console double as heaters
>Already baiting for the eventual supas
Jesas numberwhale I kneel

>>13977372
apparently the new trolling meta now is to pretend to be a holoX fan to shit on other holo groups. It was fun being amazed at their numbers these past few days, but now it feels like trolling at this point.

>>13972856
I’ve tried to find it recently but seems like nips simply didn’t post it this month.

>>13977560
Matsuri the lolicon is listening in

>>13975498
I mean even if they didn't feel the pressure. Imagine if your 3000 viewer went to 3 digits

>>13975033
>has to beg for collabs from a pro who oshis the tokyo twapper
I think rpr is collabing more with vtubers so that he can collab with Towa more and potentially join tourney with her now that he has an anime avatar as well kek

>>13977607
Look at how fucking shit her model is, I am genuinely amazed that she was able to get her numbers with this garbage model. I kneel, numbershark.

>>13975498
I mean honestly, what can the old Holos even do? They only have seniority on their side

>>13977723
Design matters, models don't.

>>13977712
>join tourney with her
I thought he already did with 300ping and all that

>>13977607
>changing oshi = trolling
nigger.
calling girls numberfags or showing them to be seething is closer to trolling but still banter
the new trolling meta was making fun of gura and pretending to people she was dying/dead; that and nijikeks sperging because of the 51 layoffs

>>13977607
>Chumbuds shit up the thread for months
>Get one week of shit thrown back at them
>"Ok guys it feels like trolling now"
As fragile as your oshi

You know what is really unexpected to me is that with the debuff from the Orca yet she still dominate the numbers...

Debuff imo:
1. Being the 4th to debut
2. Fake cute voice and crocodile tears
3. Say she loves money and shower with them on debut (really thought this was gonna get most hate but it didn't)
4. Annouce her goal is to overthrow her superiors
5. Mask and hoodie design (could be a buff or debuff)
6. Doesnt post much on twitter before debut

>>13975440
just because you don't know about it doesn't mean people don't use it. I use it every day to check streams

>>13977834
didn't realize its still 2020

>>13969396
She did most of the MVs
- Deadbeats, Cursed Night, Live Again, ReaperかReap, RIP, OWTH, End of a Life, Bully and Envy Baby

>>13975484
get your fans to like one person but have a soft spot for the others as well.

>>13977849
Liking money isn't bad. Gibara was a thing

>>13977849
none of those are debuffs though

>>13977891
>Chumbuds were only shitposting in 2020
I fucking wish

Goddamn this gen is so fucking hard to judge. When Gen 5 debuted and had a few streams under their belt, you knew that they'd all be solid chuubas but no breakout star. When Myth came, Gura and Mori just exuded that aura of special. Hell when NijiEN wave 3 debuted and wasted their post debut stream on donation reading we all knew they we're going to be shit. This gen doesn't feel that out of the ordinary so I want to say it's just the Holo debut buff at work, but the numbers thye're pulling off is just so otherwordly that I wonder if I'm missing something.

>>13977849
1.was shown to not be a debuff by the third debut
2. nothing new, not a debuff
3. was already done by the loli, written of as part of her character
4. see 3, same thing, part of the "lore".
5. mask could have been used better, but clearly her red eyes buffs her, so not a debuff.
6. twitter doesn't matter with the hype that got built after the first debut.

so none of your points are debuffs.

>>13974289
This is just proof that Hololive is irrelevant in the greater internet content creation sphere. OTV and other big strearmers keep inviting the Niji girls because they know they are the only ones with legit talent and numbers

>>13978037
They're gen5 without the aloe debacle debuff. They'll settle down and won't be breakout, but above gen 5 on average.

>>13978037
They'll settle down. Raccoon might level off at a Subaru/Suisei tier streamer. The rest will find niches below that. Bird might end up being the runt of the group.

>>13978037
They're still under strong influence of debut buff. You're just losing your mind over big numbers and not thinking straight. Myth had a pretty similar start, now they're all mid tier holos except for Gura.

>>13978037
Debut buff, anon. Don't let the current big numbers throw you off. It'll mellow out eventually.

>>13978108
Because they're the biggest non-vshoujo that would actually pick up the phone. People would invite Holos to shit like this if they would except, which thankfully they never will.

>>13978187
Who has the most top 10 viewed originals in Hololive ?

>>13977800
like an actual tournament something like CR cup now that Bora is gone. I don't know how feasible it is but I can see him doing it if he were to be given a chance even with awful ping.

>>13978108
By that logic you could argue VShojo is bigger than Nijisanji since they interact with large streamers like this and get invited to events on a regular basis.

>>13977996
>>13977834
>fanbase reflects their oshi
>gura doesnt care about numbers
>"chumbuds" shitposting with numbers
see the problem here?

>>13978153
in the case of Lui, i think she made a mistake of making her first game streams a fucking debuff VN, and starting with a meme challenge. i feel those two things should had been saved for later and should had focused on strong games instead. Outlast could had worked, just remove the meme challenge and play it normally.

>>13978037
laplus has dropped as much high-effort content as moris music. chloe is harder to explain, just being very cute

>>13978329
They quite literally tried and even talked about it afterwards. They know Holos are almost impossible to get.

>>13978344
I'm talking about streamers, but I can mention Calli if that will make you feel better.

is this her breakout stream? post your digits: 20k after funnel

>>13978407
I think it's fine for her since Lui and Iroha are the least numberfag of the gen. Especially Lui because she's not a poorfag and her role is basically like Botan's, tard wrangling the gen.

>>13978421
Orca is Ayame 2.0 but actually streaming

>>13978187
>Myth had a pretty similar start
No they didn't. None of them came close to 70k in their first week

>>13978460
If she does the softcore porn panting and squeels it will go to 50-60. coomers love that shit.

>>13978460
>is this her breakout stream?
What? This stream probably won't even get half of what her karaoke did

>>13978260
I know they will drop but what if gen 6 actually carved out new audiences and expanded the market

>>13977849
i am a bit surprised as well but time will tell wheter those things will come back to haunt her

>>13978506
based on her SC potential, she's probably a replacement for Coco's revenue

>>13978435
They could have gotten Mori in fact since she's open to that idea if it wasn't for management flat out telling her no.

>>13978474
The hags is always the most chill out of the gen
Hags love

>>13978511
Use your brain. Hololive was smaller, particularly in the west, but they still had huge numbers for the time and those numbers still went on an eventual dive until they settled on their current position.

>>13978506
Nah ayame's giggles in the only sound in existance that can give you a verbal prostate massage. Orca is meh in comparisson.

>>13978153
I get watame vibes for iroha. I mean theyre both good, but not viral enough to become shuba or susy

>>13978511
No Myth even had a debut over 80k

>>13978460
8am is a shit slot
I doubt it will reach 20k at all

>>13978435
Who's they, the guy organizing the tournament? You watch him? What did he say about Cover? Did they decline or just ignore the messages?

>>13974289
>>13978108
OTV even have to shame themselves.

There was also that guy that plays DBD, he's big, even begged Gura to collab with him, resulting a backlash. He's bahroo

>>13978474
It's a benefit having someone in a gen who is comfortable tanking their own numbers. Takes the stress off in general.

>>13978603
2020 Calli sure, but nowadays she seems different. Ever since she became a senpai she understands the idea of unity and what makes Hololive special.

>>13978588
Well judging by Chloe's schedule she's really trying to appeal to the EN audience which is good sign for possible growth.

>>13978690
Parasites.

>>13978506
Nah I don’t like Ayame for being lazy but her cuteness is otherworldly. Orca cute act is annoying just due to how fake it is.

>>13978474
Is Lui like Noel?

>>13978592
the only thing that can really haunt her is the "overthrow her senpais" if she quite litteraly means it and acts incorrectly if doing it. That will basically split the die hards and family union will die. But I doubt she would be that stupid? Right?

Kek, I just noticed her outro sounds suspiciously close to under the sea

>>13978690
that carson retard who superchatted for a DM, literally asking to 'cuck' her chat.

>>13978588
When EN1 debuted, they opened a brand new viewers to the JP side. I'm sure JP6 brings in many tourist, but I'm curious if this can benefit to EN or ID.

>>13978690
people are forgetting that everyone and their moms tweeted at Gura during her debut and wanted a piece of that pie. Gura didn't reply to any one of them

>>13978774
Yeah it sounds like a copyright friendly version of it. Of course anything with a steel drum and "tropical sounds" kind of sounds like it by default anyway.

>>13978716
Yeah I definitely meant 2020 Mori since that's when she tried to approach Cr1tikal. Current Mori is taking things rather seriously now.

>>13978622
Thats because EN is dying

>>13978792
maybe Lui since she speaks the best English in the gen and she seems like she wants to collab with Calli. as for the other girls, I think one anon mentioned that tourists that casually watch Hololive can potentially find their oshi with this gen

>>13978792
>EN
Kek no, they taking away their fans because lack of stream from their EN oshi

>>13978716
>*collabs with anitubers who recently did a vid against one of her senpais, and a grifter who attacked hololive, made a collab song with a company whos talent attacked her company*
no.

>>13978798
She even ghosted people she worked with before. I have a feeling she never liked many of them and just held her nose and did it because that's how you got famous in the twitch ecosystem. Once she didn't have to do that it was ghostings all around for everyone.

>>13978690
ew, good thing gura never responds

>>13978708
and it's even better when the "lowest performer" is a level-headed person who can handle it and unite the gen

>>13978828
It's more she just gave up. If they told her today she could do that, she would, she's just done pushing for it.

>>13978770
Lol, no. She's going pander to all her senpais to disgusting levels.

>>13974541
>HoloJP is to HoloEN
Problem with that comparison is that only a third of HoloJP outshines EN, another third stands toe to toe with them, and last third are barely better then the ID branch.
HoloEN just outright shits on NijiEN

>>13978690
Sykunno is a massive chumbud but he knows not to push for a collab with Gura and tries to keep his affection for his oshi low key. It's his friends that keep bringing it up all time and tease him to always talk about it to which he tries to than change the conversation.

>>13978770
only you would be that stupid not to understand the joke

>>13978690
that guy is committed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lstJuDThuhg

>>13978992
Pretty sure this fucker came to her chat on his regular eceleb account and made a big scene. Or am I wrong and it was someone else?

>>13978690
Is Sykkuno a genuine fan or like others want to have a bite of Gura? He seems be talked a lot in here.

>>13978983
That's what I mean, there is nothing she should be able to fuck up, unless she's stupid as shit(or young). That or she has some form of matsuri incident.

>>13978756
not as rich as Noel(then again few people are) but her stacked background suggests she's living comfortably. but if you're comparing their role, then yes she is like Noel in the sense that she will steer the ship and make sure her gen mates are doing well mentally or physically since she can bring the hag wisdom to the gen

f-funnel doko?
>>13978618
GET THE FUCK OUT THE WAY TAIGAOWL I WILL BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED

>>13978770
Hopefully not but she's a sneaky one so probably best be ready for something unexpected from her

>>13979053
Genuine fan. He showed off a tiny bit of merch he bought of her during one of his streams (I think her birthday merch).
>>13979043
Your thinking of CallMeCarson

>>13979016
retard, yes it's part of her character. but the anon was pointing to things that would haunt her.. and that's the only thing that would alienate a large portion of the whole holo fan base if it happened.

>>13979089
Matsuri incident?

>>13979043
I'm pretty sure that's CallMeCarson, I only saw someone shared some screenshot from Gura's member stream and Sykkuno just blend in like other members cheering in the background.

>>13979175
how new?

>>13979104
Wait for her panting noises anon, jps started going to work around this time

>>13978983
send her to en and siphon off the rest of their views

>>13979248
A month. Please unnewfag me, I can never find out why Matsuri died by just lurking.

>>13979175
Za hando de kisu

>>13979094
Who is richer? Lamy or Noel?

>>13979295
A hand was the straw that broke the camels back

>>13979295
look up saving matsuri. its all a bunch of rrats except for an incident with haachama scheduling. roommate tweets were involved.

>>13979043
No you're thinking of the right guy. If he was a normal fan he'd get an alt. He's just doing the
>tee hee I'll show up and let my fanbase do the collab begging for me
Move

GURA GTA V WILL MOG ORCA 30K!

>>13979134
All I expect from her is to immediately try to associate herself as much as possible with high tier holos as soon as the collab ban wears off. Actually, she'll probably start doing it before the ban wears off in whichever form she can. She was already showing her drawing of Marine today on stream.

>Ame with 2k
Jesas.

>>13978690
Imagine being so desperate that you dig up months old tweet
And then what? OTV only invited Hololive once, Niji keeps being invited for events - that's why Niji keeps inclining while your whores are reclining

>>13979295
Apex killed her casual fans and she isolated herself by collabing with outsiders too much so view funneling don't work.
Then the hand kills some of her real fans.

Only those really hardcore fans remained

>>13979228
i think this anon has the right tak >>13979385
human beings and twitch streamers like a bunch of things but don't need to announce their fandom, in fact they barely do - even if their hobby/job is to discuss the subject

Watching the debut month buff slowly wash off is always a treat, especially when everyone is convinded da new gen will be the bestest ever

>>13979459
holobros we were too cocky

>>13978770
Lol I know she getting a lot of views and are on a roll right now but getting cocky with her senpais will only lead to her ruins
She definitely know better than that, no matter how big she is, she is still a newbie to the company

>>13979509
Cope councilkek

>>13979477
>tweets menhera, schedules menhera, member posts menhera
en matsuri

>>13979303
Lamy due to family since she mentioned her dad is in charge of a company and her brother being a lawyer and older sister a nurse but Noel is self-made which is really respectable

>>13979564
Council was among the most embarrassing example of what I just mentioned, dumbass.

>>13969060
I didn't expect kezuha's RE to drop 56
% on the second day
>>13976305
This the one with $100k prize money?

>>13979385
What? From what the other anon said he only sort of showed up during a member stream and never commented. The only public e-celebs that showed up and made themselves known is CallmeCarson with Gura and RimmyDownUnder and some other YouTuber with Ina during her Half-Life Stream.

>>13979509
The next streams of undertale are ginna be a blast when they barely get 10k.
Since she is gona do then weekly or might even drop the game because numbers.

>>13979589
>likes haachama a lot too
I've seen these beginnings before anon, I never wanted to believe them but I just can't turn a blind eye anymore....

>>13979385
Well that move works most of the time, just look at Gigacuck and his TT pals

>>13979502
you forget the menhera drama but yeah

>>13979589
Save for the schedule part, that accurately describes Rushia too.

>>13979629
Oh yeah I remember the shitshow the HL speedrunner said Ina was shit on the game and then everyone started fucking to him to the point he went and apologies on Twitter or SC.

>>13975484
You're getting it all wrong. View funneling and box pushing isn't a multiplier. It lets everyone in the box get higher numbers than they normally would but it doesn't raise the total audience. You have to be popular in the first place, not a bunch of 2views and 3views funneling to each other.

Wew, didn't realize Chloe's debut is almost 2 million and her karaoke is also getting close to a million.

>>13978421
You cant seriously be comparing lplus shit post to mori making orignal music. Even those numbers are reclining

>>13979753
the difference is Rushia wouldn't flame another holo in public or have a meltdown that brings down the unity feeling. she loves being in hololive

>>13979295
Matsuri died a long time ago, even before Gen5.

Matsuri was always fucking garbage as a person and content wise, even her voice is trash, I'm glad she became completely irrelevant.

>>13979955
nah her voice is cute and she has pitiful menhera you must save aura

this is not the /rrats/ thread, retards

poor festival, I feel bad for her fans sometimes, even though she's an absolute wreck they still like her and will do anything for her, and they get a lot of shit here
matsurisu I rate you fags so much

>>13979480
>Dig up
I had this image ever since it came out anon.
>OTV only invited Hololive once
If Gura accepted the invitation, OTV would've been segregated with Hololive. Synonymous with Hololive. But thankfully, Gura knows the Internet landscape. She might me dumb, but she sure knows the Internet. Her being the top 1 in EN vtubing scene, and being a trendsetter shitposter in her PL, isn't a coincidence.

well for posterity samurai has been stagnating at 19.5k, my dick hasnt fyi

they are all tied

>>13980009
No one mentioned anything that wasn't true. Someone asked why Matsuri fell off and they told him why.

>>13980069
cover got extremely lucky they got gura. imagine they got 5% calli, begging for critikal collabs and carousel riding with vshojo, anitubers

Any idea if these income splits from Twitch translate somewhat to YouTube as well? I know that Twitch does stuff with sub gifting/sub trains etc, so their sub split is probably higher. Even then, looking at these numbers, I'd think that SC numbers would still be outweighed heavily by membership/ad/sponsorship income.

>>13980185
since twitch ads are shit, youtube channels would get much more rev for that part at least. Also yt premium.

>>13980185
I heard that Twitch takes a bigger cut as well

>>13978770
I actually just have a scenario played out in my head. Assuming she actually play into that lore, then the senpais will have a reason to form a team against the HoloX secret society. Something like she post a tweet being cocky about her big number and mocking the senpai, then they will reply to her one by one: “Oh it’s on” or something like that
Of course it’s all just for fun, but I don’t know who should be in it though

>>13980181
It wasn't luck though. Nijisanji scouts are just incompetent.

>>13980185
Twitch sponsors vs youtube would be somewhat similar I imagine but Twitch probably gives you better access to gaming sponsorships in the west.
Subs > Memberships
SC vs donations depends how you incorporate it in the stream. (Ludwig caps donations)
Youtube ad revenue >> Twitch ad revenue (only issue being youtube doesn't play ads during stream)

>>13980121
winner of the day already? damn
niji stay clear until Christmas and new year? is that it? no 3D debut?

>>13980181
Infinite luck

>>13980494
>Subs > Memberships
they are the same price but yt memberships provide more content

>>13980181
Gura wasn't scouted. She applied herself, in her words. even in her PL stream suggest heavily so. Stream is still up if you wanna know.

It makes sense, considering that Cover and the other girls never thought of becoming this big. And when Gura applied, she got accepted Immediately.

>Mori
sure she had nasty stuff done, but she's a very great addition towards Holo, singing, scriptwriting, composing. She's an all rounder as a singer.

>>13980395
yeah you're right since she applied and had quite the resume, but if she didnt...

>>13980581
>no 3d debut?
they do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YphR_22kn0Y
and also on Christmas day

>>13974289
You know that these big collabs actually has a risk in them losing their audience to the others instead, right?

>>13980581
Koyori Pokemon and Pekora Burger stream can still top these

>>13980636
We're talking money and because of gift subs and Prime subs Twitch subs gets you more money than memberships. Like half of Ludwig's subs were Prime Gaming subs

>>13980661
by scouting he also means the people in charge of picking from the many potential applicants

>>13980764
she doesn't have an audience to lose

>>13980745
That's today right?? Can it get 40k i wonder? that can win the day

>>13980661
fritz haber's talent lead to an agricultural revolution that saved/saves billions, doesnt make him any less of a bad guy whose actions benefitted evil people.
she still doesnt have enough understanding of the uniqueness of hololive in order to gatekeep against these assholes. she's friends with hime and the rrats are true. shes bad for the company where it counts.

>>13980581
December is packed with Hololive schedule
>new outfit for EN and Shion
>potentially new outfit for Pekora
>building hype for holofes 3 with tonight's stream
and then you have this
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1465984020534099972
starting on the 10th

>>13980792
Pekora burger? I don’t remember how much she get last time
But is it that powerful?

>>13980807
i think that is still the scouts`job, yes

>>13980840
no, she's a 3 digit shitter like the previous three.

>>13980934

>>13980894
>>new outfit for EN on december
still no confirmation on this. They taking up the first few days of january, still on winter holydays, is just as likely

>>13980813
rude...

>>13981049
That is just a bit more than usual
But only Pekora can pull these number eating a burger on stream lol

>>13980494
>Subs > Memberships

Both are the same price but it's harder convince viewers to join membership in comparison with convincing people to buy a sub on Twitch.
On the other side Twitch's cut is higher (50% vs 30% on YouTube) so they need more subs to get the same revenue.
Another thing that's bad about subs on Twitch is the gifting thing, it's better if people just did a donation since the cut is lower.

>>13981074
I thought Mori and Kiara confirmed the outfit will be in December? I know Nene will get a new year outfit near new year then hololive is gonna flood new year content during the first week and a half of January
>>13981140
>That is just a bit more than usual
Context matters. Pekora has a pretty solid 30k floor now but the burger stream is when her floor is around 27k I think.

>>13981259
Its not a floor if it can go lower anon

>>13980807
>>13980951
Well maybe, but i'm sure Gura had the highest profile that applied to Cover, so that it made her stand out than the rest
>>13980888
Tbh, Mori's latest controversy was Gigguk shadowverse amplified Gura collab scuff prior. And that was months ago.

Mori have changed since then, has streamed more, and being considerate towards her co-workers.

>>13981189
Twitch partners can negotiate 70/30 everyone knows this. Dont really care to discuss revenue of the plebs on 50/50.

>>13981259
Pekora's floor is like 19k-22k, for awful debuff shit at weird hours like Shin-chan.

>>13980888
I hate to imagine the state of this board if Kiara or Mori got their way and made the interaction with those groups a common occurrence .

Iroha is a good girl. She's shilling Lamy so let's see if Lamy's numbers will be better than her usual asalamy

>>13981548
I was also about to call her a good girl

>>13981571
most of gen 6 are numberfags but they will also numberfags and shill their senpai

gozaru just told viewers to go watch lamy, is the shitstorm thread true? did lamy really cry over viewer's comments saying they're leaving for gen6?

>>13981259
I can already imagine how awful this thread will be if Pekora's CCV returns to normal.
She has been inclining hard lately but i doubt she can hold a 30k floor for the rest of the year.

Mind that 24k floor is still really fucking impressive but gen 6 debut will warp the minds of retards.

>>13981730
you dont know lamy do you

>>13981548
I thought I heard people dont like when they shill other girls stream or was that bs?

>>13981730
Watch as retards spam the chat saying Iroha sent them.

>>13981900
Doing it as I type this.

>>13981872
they are individuals, not machines, anon. some people like it, some don't.

>>13981730
Lamy was crying for the viewer's funeral

>as she calls her dad to dispose betrayers

>>13981872
They're fine with it (even grateful possibly) as long as those fans won't spam the chat with retardation.

Kronii always shill her genmates stream before but retards will announce that tehy're kronies on the said stream which ruins the focus of the streamer.

>>13981947
No shit. There can be an overall sentiment as a group on things though, don't be dense.

>>13982029
Alright thanks. I've seen it for genmates and event streams but didn't recall seeing it across gen for a normal stream.

>>13981730
Lamy's issue is only with the janie.

>Lamy Choco Luna Ui
interesting...

so only Chloe and Iroha still not uploading cover / originals yet right?
all 3 cover from holox so far is on track for 1M views, pretty smart doing this on their debut buff
La+ cover 811k
Lui cover 828k
Koyori cover 856k

Oh yeah also on the topic of Ui, when someone asked a few threads ago what made her popular, seems people forgot to mention there's also how she and Watame are alike, from the voices to how I believe she's also a sheep?

>>13981548
It didnt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ycKt-DEdug
>>13981870
no i watched outerwilds stream, according to here shes menhera. are you implying its all rrats?

new thread when

>>13982348
Didn't Iroha tease a cover/original in her debut stream?

>>13982458
>menhera
this word has lost its meaning

>>13982473
Maybe she did, too bad her PC broke.

>>13982452
sheep thing is a what?
similarity in voice, early fun events with her daughter subaru and her funny chat interactions were clipped. I think she's the most recognizable mama in hololive base

>>13982458
The only menhera holos are Noel, Matsuri, and Haachama