/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

they are like hostess club girls except you don't get the drinks and have to interact through chat, twitter and akasupa

>>13867465
slightly related but I've been saying it before
there needs to be a rakugo chuuba
not that zatsudans are all that different

>>13867983
it is a thing already
https://youtu.be/n1iBLV9JDqs

>>13867845
I mean hostesses get compared to geisha pretty often. So do idols.

>>13867465
Yes, but geishas were better, vtubers are just dykes with less talent and charisma than geishas.

RoboGeisha vtuber, when?

>>13868413
I need to learn Japanese?

>>13868556
How the FUCK do you know what geishas were like back then? Are you a centuries-old hermit or something?

>>13868556
The fuck are you doing in this Forum than?

>>13868920
Dumb faggot, is called reading. Also even hostess clubs are a bettter use of your time than the dyke show that is hololive

>>13868993
Trying to find a my straight (and slightly homophobic) oshi.

>>13868556
The fuck are you doing on this board than?

>>13869012
Their not 2D and play video games though.

>>13869012
>hololive
>dykes

>>13869012
I'm yurichad
dykes making out is my entertainment

>>13869093
>>13869075

>>13869152
So?

>>13869247
Almost all of hololive is either bi or lesbian.

>>13869325
No such thing as a yurichad faggot.

>>13868644
Certainly if you like Rakugo.

>>13867845
You posted someone who not only talks to her audience, but mixes in light musical entertainment. See OP pic. Also, the kind of "GFE" that VTubers do - acting flirty to a group, rather than an individual - is closer to how geisha carried themselves than it is to hostesses.

>>13869400
go back

>>13869400
>Doesn't like yuri
Anon you have the gayest opinion in this thread. How can you even consider yourself a healthy heterosexual male?

>>13869152
Part of geisha training was becoming skilled in a bunch of games so they could show off to their audience. Not videogames, but still.

>>13869656
NTA but yuri is only good if it’s fictional. Real life dykes are disgusting, revolting creatures.

>>13869709
Doesn't that just make Let's Players with a vagina an evolution of a Geisha than?

>>13869786
significant portion of holos are real life dykes
hope that doesn't trigger you

>>13869786
How the hell do you think the yuri in Hololive is real than and not kayfabe? TakaMori the most pushed yuri ship officially came to an end because Kiara was sick of doing it.

>>13870018
YWNBAW

>>13870018
Theirs only 1 that I can think of that might be a real one and she's hot as hell.

>>13867983
I hope you saw Shibuya Hajime's 3D debut, he did the whole Shinigami: https://youtu.be/jGb6iAEA914

>>13867465
Geisha are nice, but bring back Oirans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oiran

>>13870082
おk

>>13867465
>Now, to play ken with a geisha requires a perfectly cool head, a quick eye, and much practice. Having been trained from childhood to play all kinds of ken—and there are many—she generally loses only for politeness, when she loses at all. The signs of the most common ken are a Man, a Fox, and a Gun. If the geisha make the sign of the Gun, you must instantly, and in exact time to the music, make the sign of the Fox, who cannot use the Gun. For if you make the sign of the Man, then she will answer with the sign of the Fox, who can deceive the Man, and you lose. And if she make the sign of the Fox first, then you should make the sign of the Gun, by which the Fox can be killed. But all the while you must watch her bright eyes and supple hands. These are pretty; and if you suffer yourself, just for one fraction of a second, to think how pretty they are, you are bewitched and vanquished. Notwithstanding all this apparent comradeship, a certain rigid decorum between guest and geisha is invariably preserved at a Japanese banquet. However flushed with wine a guest may have become, you will never see him attempt to caress a girl; he never forgets that she appears at the festivities only as a human flower, to be looked at, not to be touched. The familiarity which foreign tourists in Japan frequently permit themselves with geisha or with waiter-girls, though endured with smiling patience, is really much disliked, and considered by native observers an evidence of extreme vulgarity.
>For a time the merriment grows; but as midnight draws near, the guests begin to slip away, one by one, unnoticed. Then the din gradually dies down, the music stops; and at last the geisha, having escorted the latest of the feasters to the door, with laughing cries of Sayonara, can sit down alone to break their long fast in the deserted hall.
>Such is the geisha's rôle But what is the mystery of her? What are her thoughts, her emotions, her secret self? What is her veritable existence beyond the night circle of the banquet lights, far from the illusion formed around her by the mist of wine? Is she always as mischievous as she seems while her voice ripples out with mocking sweetness the words of the ancient song?
>"Kimi to neyaru ka, go sengoku toruka? Nanno gosengoku kimi to neyo?" ("Once more to rest beside her, or keep five thousand koku? What care I for koku? Let me be with her!")

>show up to a place
>get to choose a model you like
>get entertained by a female with various talents
>you are not allowed certain actions out of respect/ break containment
>you can pay money to get extra attention
It's really not that much different from a certain point of view.

>>13870334
>Always in the dwelling which a band of geisha occupy there is a strange image placed in the alcove. Sometimes it is of clay, rarely of gold, most commonly of porcelain. It is reverenced: offerings are made to it, sweetmeats and rice bread and wine; incense smoulders in front of it, and a lamp is burned before it. It is the image of a kitten erect, one paw outstretched as if inviting—whence its name, the 'Maneki-Neko'. It is the genius loci: it brings good-fortune, the patronage of the rich, the favour of banquet-givers Now, they who know the soul of the geisha aver that the semblance of the image is the semblance of herself—playful and pretty, soft and young, lithe and caressing, and cruel as a devouring fire.
>Worse, also, than this they have said of her: that in her shadow treads the God of Poverty, and that the Fox-women are her sisters; that she is the ruin of youth, the waster of fortunes, the destroyer of families; that she knows love only as the source of the follies which are her gain, and grows rich upon the substance of men whose graves she has made; that she is the most consummate of pretty hypocrites, the most dangerous of schemers, the most insatiable of mercenaries, the most pitiless of mistresses. This cannot all be true. Yet thus much is true— that, like the kitten, the geisha is by profession a creature of prey. There are many really lovable kittens. Even so there must be really delightful dancing-girls.
>The geisha is only what she has been made in answer to foolish human desire for the illusion of love mixed with youth and grace, but without regrets or responsibilities: wherefore she has been taught, besides ken, to play at hearts. Now, the eternal law is that people may play with impunity at any game in this unhappy world except three, which are called Life, Love, and Death. Those the gods have reserved to themselves, because nobody else can learn to play them without doing mischief. Therefore, to play with a geisha any game much more serious than ken, or at least go, is displeasing to the gods.

>>13870398
>The girl begins her career as a slave, a pretty child bought from miserably poor parents under a contract, according to which her services may be claimed by the purchasers for eighteen, twenty, or even twenty- five years. She is fed, clothed, and trained in a house occupied only by geisha; and she passes the rest of her childhood under severe discipline. She is taught etiquette, grace, polite speech; she has daily lessons in dancing; and she is obliged to learn by heart a multitude of songs with their airs. Also she must learn games, the service of banquets and weddings, the art of dressing and looking beautiful. Whatever physical gifts she may have are; carefully cultivated. Afterwards she is taught to handle musical instruments: first, the little drum (tsudzumi), which cannot be sounded at all without considerable practice; then she learns to play the samisen a little, with a plectrum of tortoise-shell or ivory. At eight or nine years of age she attends banquets, chiefly as a drum-player. She is then the most charming little creature imaginable, and already knows how to fill your wine-cup exactly full, with a single toss of the bottle and without spilling a drop, between two taps of her drum.
>Thereafter her discipline becomes more cruel. Her voice may be flexible enough, but lacks the requisite strength. In the iciest hours of winter nights, she must ascend to the roof of her dwelling-house, and there sing and play till the blood oozes from her fingers and the voice dies in her throat. The desired result is an atrocious cold. After a period of hoarse whispering, her voice changes its tone and strengthens. She is ready to become a public singer and dancer.
>In this capacity she usually makes her first appearance at the age of twelve or thirteen. If pretty and skilful, her services will be much in demand, and her time paid for at the rate of twenty to twenty-five sen per hour. Then only do her purchasers begin to reimburse themselves for the time, expense, and trouble of her training; and they are not apt to be generous. For many years more all that she earns must pass into their hands. She can own nothing, not even her clothes.
>At seventeen or eighteen she has made her artistic reputation. She has been at many hundreds of entertainments, and knows by sight all the important personages of her city, the character of each, the history of all. Her life has been chiefly a night life; rarely has she seen the sun rise since she became a dancer. She has learned to drink wine without ever losing her head, and to fast for seven or eight hours without ever feeling the worse. She has had many lovers. To a certain extent she is free to smile upon whom she pleases; but she has been well taught, above all else to use her power of charm for her own advantage. She hopes to find Somebody able and willing to buy her freedom—which Somebody would almost certainly thereafter discover many new and excellent meanings in those Buddhist texts that tell about the foolishness of love and the impermanency of all human relationships.
>At this point of her career we may leave the geisha: there-. after her story is apt to prove unpleasant, unless she die young. Should that happen, she will have the obsequies of her class, and her memory will be preserved by divers curious rites.
--Lafcadio Hearn, "Glimpses of Unfamiliar Japan" (1894)

>>13869656
Faggot i have has threesome with two women at the same time. I have shared eating pussy with other women you dumb retard. I have fucked a girl in the ass while another women fingers her. I just dont want yurishit in my chuubas.

>>13869523
faggot.

where did it go wrong?

>>13870537
you got a link to the ebook? been searching for that one since ages after my professor mentioned it in class.

>>13870606
Amazing idea but almost no one has the VR setup it requires. 1 on 1 chuuba sessions are an amazing business idea.

>>13870651
His stuff is public domain, so there's transcriptions on Project Gutenberg. Note that GoUF is in two volumes.
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/368

>>13870537
>In this capacity she usually makes her first appearance at the age of twelve or thirteen

Geisha (at least the whore ones) would tattoo the names of their best clients onto themselves, like "I live for _____" etc. Kind of like a permanent superchat in reverse, a perk gained after someone donated X yen..

>>13870551
Doesn't that make you a faggot by your own logic anon?

>>13870856
Anon how does eating pussy make you a faggot?

>>13870954
You watched a girl finger another girl. By your own logic your watching IRL lesbian action which in turn makes you a faggot.

>>13869012
>this guy knows a lot about geishas because he read about them
...

>this board knows a lot about vtubers from reading threads about them

>>13870767
>Labour laws prevented geisha from starting their training until adulthood
>Geisha culture is practically wiped out, with the survivors being basically historical reenactors

>Virtual avatars bypass this by allowing adults to perform those roles
>Geisha suddenly explode in relevance again

>>13867465
Unironically yes.

>>13871106
My logic never said that.

>>13867465
They are just idols updated to the 21st century, and idols are just geisha adapted to mass media.

>>13870730
Thanks, I'll probably read it later once I get home

I thought geisha's fucked their clients?
>inb4 "he doesn't know/yeah me"
For real though, isn't that a thing?

>>13872010
Nah they dont there's luxury prostitutes for this.

>>13867465
>Are VTubers the geisha of the modern age? I was looking at some early 20th-century essays on the relationship between geisha and their audiences, and it's like Goslingposting with a larger vocabulary.
Yes. Hence why chuubas that can meme/sing/hold conversations about exotic topics tend to do better, by and large.
That's the main difference between a titty streamer and a chuuba (fuck you Hana); The job requires a certain level of variety beyond just being female.

>>13872010
original geishas didn't, it's just some prostitutes latter on co-opted the term to appear more "respectful"

>>13870767
IIRC there's another bit where Hearn goes into detail about the beauty of a pre-pubescent miko as she dances, and owns a portrait of her which he treats as a prized possession.

>>13872010
>>13872251
I mean that and there'll always be geisha who are just shit at their jobs.

>>13871450
>Guys watching chuubas who yuri bait only as fanservice and talk about stuff like grabbing each other's breasts is being a faggot
>Guys watching two girls IRL and one of them is finger blasting the other isn't being a faggot
Most of Hololive is hetero and do the yuri act specifically for viewer entertainment like the two girls fingerblasting in front of you.

>>13873146
multiple holo girls have stated they like girls irl
it isn't an act
it's just industry like this attracts that type of girls naturally

>>13873350
>it's just industry like this attracts that type of girls naturally
Precisely, it attracts women who are willing to lie about everything straight down to their own sexuality for money.

>>13873350
Females do girl on girl shit all the time to bait male attention

>>13873460
you think the girls even lie about it as their roomates? seriously?

>>13873640
Depends on who we’re talking about. Their roommates had varying levels of professionalism.

>>13873146
>Guys watching chuubas who yuri bait only as fanservice and talk about stuff like grabbing each other's breasts is being a faggot
Never said that. Its pathetic and cuckshit, but it does not make you gay.

>most of hololive is hetero
That is simply not true.

>>13870398
>The geisha is only what she has been made in answer to foolish human desire for the illusion of love mixed with youth and grace, but without regrets or responsibilities: wherefore she has been taught, besides ken, to play at hearts.
>--Lafcadio Hearn

Would this fit in a board banner?

>>13875221

>>13876209
Perfect

>>13876209
now replace "geisha" with "vtuber" and /vt/ has another banger

>>13867465
Closer to puppets/marionettes

No, he will not
Fall in love with me
I am his portal
To fantasy
His escape from the grasps
Of density
I am the art and the beauty
His heart does seek
But only in doses
His mind can take
I am the muse
The time share
The warm relief
The landscape
The conquest
From sea to leaf
I writhe in the pleasure
Of being the anomaly
But alas there's a hole
Where love should be

>>13867465
Analog > digital

>>13868413
>>13870155
upon closer inspection, these are breddy based
tskr

>>13872010
Traditionally it never happened, but the the western colonial powers arrived.

>>13867465
Japan is pretty creative with using its women, instead of just whoring them out not that they don't they use them for general entertainment and GFE

>>13867465
I watched memoirs of a geisha recently and it made me think the exact same thing

>>13867465
Yes.

>>13867465
Pretty much. Women who didn't have what it takes to make it in the real entertainment industry are now just whores who do cute or stupid things to fulfill my own personal need for occasional entertainment.

>>13870606
An anon theory is that they caught the eye of whatever government entity handles hostess clubs.
The ticket sales where doing well and they where hiring people up until 2 months ago.

Which Holo should I ask about this subject in a superchat? Would they see the similarity? really curious

>>13891261
You're oshi.

80 post and not a single one knows