/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>13844194
Councilbros don't exist
No one's crying about this

>>13844194
Stay in your containment thread number bro

>>13844194
Dang, the Orca really popular huh?

>>13844194
Give it a month. It's not over yet. They've only just begun their incline.

Bump

>>13844194
Oh, I didn't know that Bae was over Ceres now. Before, Ceres had more subs than Bae.

SUSAN
GET ON THE CASE

>>13845000

Susan doesn't exist

>>13844194
Omegatranny must be seething

Ohhh noo!!

>>13844194
You know what's funny? At least half of their subs are EOPs, people subbed to chuubas they don't understand rather than Council

>>13845000
Susan already tried her best and removed like 100k subs but it didn't stop them.

Sana gets a huge disadvantage with her garbage design and then decides to commit suicide by going on a hiatus lmao

>>13844194
Jp bros we WON. Get rekt Fagmega/EN management!!!!

Jp managers once again asserting dominance and proving that they are the best creatives in Cover. Simple is best. Nobody cares about your stupid LORE fairytale shit.

X GONNA GIVE IT TO (YOU), THEY GONNA GIVE IT TO (YOU)

>>13844194
It's all downhill from here. The next holoEN gen will have it even harder to get to the same number of subs.

>>13845686

Pick better DMX songs

>>13844194

The council is lazy, they barely stream and play too many debuff games.

>>13844194
Yay, everyone's growing! Happy for all of them

After seeing how lazy Council is I don't even feel bad anymore about their subcount getting axed in half.

>>13845754
If that's the best talent they could get from the western scene then it's really over.
>inb4 nepotism
even worse

>>13845960
What if HoloX turns out to be as lazy

>>13844194
I've been put of the field for a while, why is the council a relative failure like this?

>>13845989
It's definitely not the best, Kawaii and Prism have been making some great hires, Holo scouting just failed hard.

>>13845492
True, but what remains is one of the best communities and fun oshi interactions in EN. Everyone just wants to have fun in her streams, but vt likes to convince itself her fanbase is solely comprised of coping saviourfags because of her SC income. It ironically never feels like a side job when you watch Sana, which is surprising because like Mumei, she's one of the only members with deadlines and other shit going on. Kronii is just a waste of potential. Fauna is sweet and Bae deserves her incline. Council are actually decent and yellow fever fags are too busy trying to win vt's approval to see it.

OP here. I left out Mumei and Kronii because they don't fit my narrative

>>13844194
Roberu will pass Sana later.

>>13846493

Post-Irony is dead and kys

>>13846363
>It ironically never feels like a side job when you watch Sana
It's still clearly a side job to her considering she couldn't bother to stream for a whole month, compare that to members that stream for fun in JP and use it to de-stress, those are actually not doing it as a side-job

>>13846108
Phase Connectbros also winning

>>13846897
I legit can't defend the amount of time off she had, I was one of the only Sanallites in the general complaining about it which went well lol. She did feel a little bad about it though (after the 'fuck you') and has been streaming HARD since she came back. Her average stream length has been insane and it's high energy to the end. She's the black and unpopular EN Korone.

>>13846070
Gen most fucked over by Susan killing subs (not even sure if Sana's regained her peak yet), several of them taking longer breaks relatively early in their life, not really doing much alternative content yet besides gaming streams, and a few carrying natural chuuba debuffs. Some of them are inclining a bit like Bae but for now they're generally "just" okay/good. The worst you can say about them is that they're not breaking the mold enough to circumvent some unfortunate circumstances.

>>13844634
Shes the only one on that list who hasnt gotten hit by post debut purges.

>>13845492
Admit it her main disadvantage is the nigger debuff

>>13847896
But she is still the fastest inclining sub of them all currently

>>13846070
West moved on, EN is pointless

>>13844194
why would eops not watch EN despite being eops and not understanding japanese at all? im sure more than half of gen 6 subscribers are eops given that their comment sections full of eops.

>>13848215
Laplus took off like a rocket when she debuted, but every time she's gotten purged she's recovered slower and slower each time. Certainly doesn't help that she's had no streams on her channel since day one to alert the people who got unsubbed.

With the amount of attention she's gotten, she'd probably be nearing 600k at this point if this shit wasn't happening.

>>13848148
It's not because she's dark skin, it's because her design is just really shit. The shading doesn't look right, the balls on her twintails look silly. Her art just looks lazy unfinished, uninspired and childish.
There are plenty of darkskin designs that would be a hit. Think Nagatoro, Jahy, Michiko, Yoroichi, Katara.
If Laplus was dark skin like Jahy she might be even MORE popular

>>13848630
>It's not because she's dark skin
Keep telling yourself that, as if Flare still isn't debuffed to hell despite good artwork and the dark elf trope

>>13848919
>despite good artwork
Her art was dogshit for a year anon, only her latest outfit is good looking and you can guess why she hasn't used anything but that one

>>13844194
>a big tit deadfish with VA skills that she beats like a dead horse, and literally nothing else.
>sana, who doesnt even draw on stream because Ina doesnt want to lose her niche
>mumei, who sings like a negress for some reason
>average as fuck ASMRtist (if you can even call that a talent)
>ollie clone
>quite literally 1 sense of humour, shared between all 5 of them, and 0 personality from all of them.

en1 has way more fuckin talent.
>gura- born entertainer and unmatched at improv, wonderful singer. voice is naturally asmr
>Ina, can draw, also natural asmr
>Ame, equally entertaing as gura and actually funny regularly, makes up for lack of talent, with immense creativity in making fun streams
>Kiara, can draw, can sing, unbelievably extroverted , stamina as fuck can stream for entire lengths of a day, and is the most productive
>Calli, equally talented as Kiara, but produces music that is not actually bad
>personalities are unbelievably colorful and mixed, its a miracle they get along so well. Truly a motley crew, their presence and group image is iconic.

>>13845598
HoloX has more loreshit than any of the previous JPs though.

>>13848630
>It's not because she's dark skin
Anon.... Even flare who has the nigger nerf has the lowest subs and the only one with less than 1M subs compared to her genmates

>>13849064
Flare's design was shit too, people keep bringing her up like they haven't seen her lizard eyes

>>13847039
Uruka is a coal burning roastie whore. Tenma best

>>13846668
Keep pretending you made a good thread. You naive moron.

>>13846108
This. Giving omegatranny and ina too much power will weaken the brand

>>13845492
Imagine getting a one in your life time chance and ditch it because your “dog” died. The model cucked her and then she decided to seppuku herself with that hiatus.

>>13849030
This is the proof of omegatranny try to push his lore onto new gen. See 5 chains on horn loli? It's from the council

>>13848919
>despite good artwork
despite good artwork
>despite good artwork

KEK anon her art was absolute shit for a long time, she was a rare looking lizard

>>13848148
her design suck doesn't imply anything bad about skin color

>>13846668
>Defending a bait thread.
Insecure? kys

>>13848986
Mumei at least can do the cute retard personality well. Then an EN clone of Ollie could’ve worked since she wouldn’t have the ID debuff. But the lack of good chemistry and interactions between Gen mates and other holos really kills off council.
Ollie can interact extremely well with Callie, Kiara, Rushia, Anya, Astel, and Roberu. She tried to boost Sana in her Pokémon play through, and while Ollie was great, Sana didn’t offer anything enticing. The best you get from Council is an okay chemistry between Bae and Callie. Though you get an okay clip from Bae with Roberu and Ollie.
Magikarp is evolving if you read my bullshit.

And to think that there were ENfags that insisted that Holo JPs should have learned english.

Myth missed the opportunity to expand territory other than streaming generic games in the first year, especially gura

>>13849954
And that led to the failure of Council when they just want to copy the Myth formula

>>13844194
real numbers that matter are next week AFTER the debut when you see how their stream numbers are without the "new thing" buff.
Most of those early subs are "dead" subs who just sub to anything hololive but never actually watch their content.

>>13850097
council chemistry just isnt there yet.

>>13845754
And HoloX isn't? There employing the tactic of running out of the clock like mumei and putty lazy BGM and shorts before they even start to play a game so they can get monetization earlier without sacrificing their time and competing with games like Council did.

>>13850118
the real numbers are the ones that go into their bank account dumb ass

>>13850309
and those numbers come from the not dead subs retard

>>13848148
Her main disadvantage is her terrible streaming times. She's pretty inaccessible to US viewers.

>>13850444
and neither of us, but especially me, gets to have any of the money so i dont give a fuck, you homo.

>>13847805
im out of the loop. how does susan killing subs hurt their growth? wouldn't the hololive marketing supplant that anyway? eventually, at least

>>13849156
She's performing like shit even with the artwork update.

>>13850691
The lost subs only explain the overall sub counts which is the first thing people usually bring up when saying that Council is failing. Kronii would've probably been near IRyS numbers otherwise. The lack of quicker growth is because of everything else mentioned.

>>13845000
La+ would be at 500+ without purges.

>>13844233
This fpbp

>>13844233
I really like Bae and Mumei. Sana is okay too.

>>13848490
I mean almost literally the same thing happened to Council, not nearly to the extent as La+, but collectively they lost what, 700-800k subs over 2 weeks?

>>13845722
https://youtu.be/qJxk1leG1wY

>>13849292
>black guy in Detroit Become Human appears
>Uruka instinctually disgusted
>"Uh, it's his pores they're too big"

>>13848148

>>13852325
You can't be serious

>>13852325
nagare is not at the dark levels where it would debuff her. sana is a tiny bit darker than nagare but with a full body tan, effectively negrifying her.

>>13852505
The superior brown skinned, big breasted EN chuuba with an Australian accent.

>>13850288
Kek wait until they actually stream before you say this nigger

>>13848919
>>13848919

Jesus christ are you people brain dead or are you just desperate to jump on any opportunity to say nigger.
Japan has plenty of dark skin anime characters that are extremely popular because they're designs are cute or cool and the dark skin adds an exotic accent to it. Flare and Sana just had shitty boring designs.
Look at that dark skin snake girl 2view. Sana would be killing it with her model

>>13856384
her skin color still looks hideous, regardless of the model

>>13848630
No way you actually believe that L+ would be more popular with dark skin KEK

>>13856877
How popular do you think that Jahy character is right now? There's already tons of fanart of laplus wearing Jahys shirt. Dark skin is a BUFF if the design is good enough.
It's ok, you can accept this fact and still be racist anon. It doesn't make you an sjw

>>13849030
But I dont understand Japanese so its fine

Boy cannot wait for the Honeymoon period to be over, and for JPbros to go back to their already established Oshi
EOPs are just going to watch clips instead of streams

>>13848986
Better get used to it because after drama after drama after drama nobody wants to join HoloEN anymore. Their management is legendarily trash now. Also Myth burned out months ago.

>>13856384
There doesn't need to be an opportunity. I can just say nigger

>>13858287
What drama? Have you looked at the rest of the English language "scene"?

>>13847896
They've all got hit with sub culls they just haven't hit the more recently premiered ones quite as hard. They'll still get the full brunt of it once YT goes through all their new subs.

>>13848490
Getting a lot of subs at the start is actually really bad, since a bigger percent will get purged.

>>13848630
idk man sana looks better than at least like 25% of hololive JP's character designs.

>>13859477
She looks better than Matsuri and maybe uh...Anya? Some of Polka's alternate outfits too. And some of the old shit like original Flare.

>>13858122
I'm glad the honeymoon ended for council, get fucked.
>>13858287
Mori should have gotten Kiara's model because she's burning the branch in order to incline from it (and its working)
>>13848148

>>13859589
literally who

>>13859545
she looks better than: Sora, Roboco, Miko, Suisei, AZKi, Fubuki, Matsuri, Akirose, Haachama, Kanata, Watame, Nene, and literally everyone in holoX except for mask-on Chloe. i could be more thorough but i only said holoJP.

>>13856384
If your 2view oshi had such a great design above reproach she wouldn't be a 2view now would she

>>13847805
There was also some roommate baggage, with a chunk of the audience going in assuming Fauna was a lying, backstabbing, two-faced bitch going in, and salty Nijischizos seething at Mumei because they convinced themselves she’d be Petra the week of Obsydia’s debut. Mumei also had IRL debuffs with college and her streaming setup, but she’s been dealing with the technical problems and the semester is nearly over, so she can go full throttle in January without suffering from sleep deprivation.
Ultimately, this thread is just using the debut buff for Gen 6 as an excuse to shit on the new EN kids on the block.

>>13859687
ogey

>>13859687
Everyone has their own personal taste but obviously most people disagree, Sana has been the lowest subbed Council, by a significant margin, even before anyone gave away their voice or debuted.

>>13859615
A man.

>>13859589
I am glad that the honeymoon ended for Council too, so I don't know what the fuck you are talking about, when telling me to get fucked

>>13859886
None of that stuff matters to real people. If you took the niche psychotic ramblings of people here at face value then Kronii is literally a man, Mumei/Faun are evil scammers, Bae is a CCP infiltrator, and Ina forced Cover to hire Sana. After you take away those 20 people, you have the rest that subbed to them based on design, voice, content, stream time ect.

>>13859886
>lying, backstabbing, two-faced bitch
fill me in

>>13860092
A 2view friend of hers was seething that they both auditioned for Hololive but only Fauna got in.

>>13859886
>Fauna was a lying, backstabbing, two-faced bitch going in
STFU Fallenshadow and take your meds

>>13860156
where's the backstabbing come in?

>>13860194
Standard "didn't respond to DMs after she made it big" things.

>>13860176
they made up a long time ago

Idol culture is still much more popular in Japan than in the west, and that includes VTubers.
Hololive being the #1 company at this point has made them easy for people to find and get into. Gen 6 has only been out for a week. Laplus got 250,000 subs in one day.

That being said, I think more collabs, better games, and more JP interaction would boost Council’s numbers.

>>13860176
>>13860259
damn. so if you're a 2view the best thing to do is never make friends with other people in the scene

>>13859687
You are just baiting

>>13859927
yeah, but pure popularity isn't really everything, and more importantly it isn't a real way to measure something like the quality of a character design or piece of art. the vtubing landscape would be very different if quality of character design and/or rigging correlated directly to their financial and mainstream success in the field.

>>13860416
i promise you i am not. i am really not into the character designs of any of the chuubas i listed. some of them i'd say even look like complete shit, not just not being to my taste.

>>13860377
That's the only way to get anywhere as a 2-view.

>>13860566
There is no objective way to measure character design, but the purpose of vtuber designs is to help make their VA popular, and thus popularity is the only real measure of success for any given design.

Susan didn't purge their number huh? Council really got fucked early then especially sana for whatever fucking reason

>>13860874
>Council really got fucked early then especially sana for whatever fucking reason
Youtube algorithm hates dark-skinned people

>>13860083
Fair enough. I figured roommate drama might turn off old fans who might have made the leap, and the schizo portion of the Nijisanji fanbase is absolutely merciless towards perceived slights, though that’s more of an issue with JP, considering the proportion of dislikes on Luna’s debut stream.
>>13860176
I’m not saying it’s true, I’m saying that it’s not a good look when you’re trying to make a good first impression. It seems to be water under the bridge anyway.

>>13860874
Lacunny had over 160k subs purged from her channel.

>>13860874
They got purged harder than Council

>>13844194
Its Council Creek peoples. Get it right you bigot.

>>13861104
Fauna's old viewership was not that large, and the other girl's was even smaller. Whatever portion sided with that girl and didn't follow her to EN would be negligible, especially since Bae and Sana had also no following at all.

As far as Mumei goes, only a handful of people here thought Petra was her, and only by date of graduation and process of elimination. That isn't a reason to be mad or attempt to sabotage her, and even if it was, it wouldn't stop people from subbing and watching her regardless.

Luna actually switched companies, and her antis fucked off immediately anyway after making their point. Her baby voice and erratic streaming schedule have hurt her more than anything else.

>>13856384
Nigger

>>13861129
She'd be lucky if it stopped at 160, since Council lost about 200k each. Sana lost about as many subs as she currently has.

>>13844233
/thread

>>13859615
Doesn't matter who they are, we are talking about design here. They have good looking design despite the dark skin.

>>13859687
>sana
>looking better than anyone other than irys

>>13860566
Looking at this picture just makes me remember how ugly the color combination of Sana is

>>13862766
i say it easily and without hesitation. she looks better than all of them in the list, and some a lot more than others.

>>13860566
You have a shit taste

>>13864399
tons of early holos look like shit dude come on

>>13859687
>>13860566
So it looks like the only people who like Sana are actual retards.

>>13866344
retard, singular, as they're both my posts. are you really going to tell me that fubuki looks better than sana with a straight face, though?

>>13866468
Yes lmao, make a thread about it so everyone can laugh at you. Nothing wrong with having shit taste but you can't say your shit taste means others are worse

>>13862135
>generic wolf girl
>good
she's not even as good as Mio and that's a low bar already

>>13844194
Debut boost, unless one of them is new Gura, it'll fade.

>>13867800
stay mad councilkek

>>13867800
>new Gura
They're all below Gura's pace comparatively

Did NijiEN received so much shit when the last NijiJP wave surpassed them in subs?

>>13874695
Jesas almost half a million...

>>13844194
This is what happens when you take many breaks on your honeymoon period.

How many times it needs to be reiterated that council is a failure

>>13846108
HoloEN management managed to hire not one but two girls with 100% unambiguous confirmed BFs - not only that, but it was not leet haxor doxfags prying - you didn't have to look deeper than their twitters or profiles. THEY fucking voluntarily TOLD you they had one, AS a vtuber, showing they have a 100% fundamentally different understanding of what this whole thing is, or how it really works well. They simply should have been passed over for that. You do not hire idols to flaunt boyfriends.

NijiEN got ten through with nothing like this, and there are like 30 small agency girls all without this kind of shit hanging out like a booger on their faces. Then you have Bae openly lusting for a holostar and taking Ollie's bait to go collab with him only like 2 months in. Wow what a surprise, why do all three of these girls have shit income compared to Sana and Kronii who are clean? Geeeeeee I wooooonder. It's almost like their management is out of touch and fucking deluded to the core in their own world ignoring the most harsh but related feedback in places like here in favor of reddit and twitter yes men, who returned the favor by going on to not watch Council streams anyway. Way to go. Way to go Omega. Big round of applause everyone.

HoloEN choices were worse than probably a ton of people on this board would have made with the same info and options - people who understand how this works better than them. holoEN management deserves to be fucking purged and replaced down to the last man and nothing more.

>>13875491
They where dead on arrival.
Everything will be the same if they didn't existed.

How come ame with a sword is last in subs?
Figured they all would have had a bunch.

>>13876462
i think myth had good casting, whoever chose for and make choices for council(omega) is fucking retarded like letting sana go on break for a month etc, not mentioning the purge on their twitters so people can resub...

>>13876581
Did you see her debut? Did you manage to get through it without needing coffee to stay awake? She is the most vanilla girl imaginable. She isn't horrible but just basic and boring.

>>13876462
Anon nobody gives a shit about the boyfriend crap, this isn't JP.
The problem is that council is boring, they hired basic bitches and it shows.

>>13876462
Let's cancel Omega

>>13844194
Susan fucked them hard.

genuinely think sana's a good streamer but her break came at the worst possible time

>Steals half your viewers

>>13876962
Pic unrelated? those shitters barely average 3k

>>13877036

>>13876462

>>13847896
She got hit too retard
Susan just gave her 30k back yesterday
and she gave Iroha's 10k back just now

>>13877120
>Thread that's newer moves faster than thread that's older
w-whoa
Idk what's this supposed prove epically considering that this cherry picked as fuck, you compared global on a regular night to NijiEN during a big event
Do you want me to compare the speed of global during gen 6 debut to a regular night in
the NijiEN thread?

>>13844194
council bros.. its over

>>13877120
Holo management trying to hold back people from being ""aware"" NijiEN exists I think basically backfires, because plenty of people will just up and switch sides instead of split their time liking both.

I like both personally but a lot of people are tribal or contrarian shits and/or just quit Holo if any one of their members annoys them, or if a yab knocks their confidence in Cover.

What, do they think people can't Google it? Do they think their reddit audience is the only English audience, of which this board has like 10x the post rate of by the way? They are delusional and / or just naive as fuck as to their impressions of the audience vs the entirety of the internet. People know about NijiEN.

>>13845754
>if I don't like it it removes buffs
(you)

>>13877781
>Holo management trying to hold back people from being ""aware"" NijiEN exists I think basically backfires, because plenty of people will just up and switch sides instead of split their time liking both.
This. If Holo played nice with them I would actually watch both. They could gain all those NijiEN fans back but choose not too.

>>13846897
>aaaaa no she can't mourn for as long as she needs she needs to be serving my demands for entertainment or it's a side job the salaried worker cannot spend their vacation time everrr!
fuck you tee hee.

>>13877781
>Do they think their reddit audience is the only English audience
Even the reddit audience knows about them

>>13844194
Susan only hit the loli so far

>>13877904
go back to /nasa/
oh wait its gone

>>13847516
>shit on your viewers
>they stop watching you
Who could've foreseen this coming.

Why do nijifans pretend holofans care about them, I don't think about them at all unless you guys bring them out. Just enjoy your laughing dragon she seems fun.

>>13878141
you sound dangerously insecure if you think sana has at any point "shat on her viewers". literally nobody born normal would have this reaction.

>>13878361
some but not all holofans spend a lot of time actively caring about them considering they talk about them completely unprompted like this

>>13878006
Op just fucked up the subject

>>13878467
This is some major projection.

In any legitimate job, you would get laughed out the door for wanting to take a month long break immediately after joining for a dead dog.

All this shows is that she's lazy and just there for the free ride.

>>13878673
what am i projecting when i call you insecure? i'm not the one going about mental gymnastics to try and dance away from an incorrect and revealing statement i made.

>>13861156
>>13861129
Sana alone had like 300k subs purged from her channel and didn't say shit
La+ lost 50k subs and went to beg for people to sub to her on twitter
Had Susan not fucked them so hard everyone in Council would all probably 400k-600k subs by now we have to schizos like >>13875491 repeat "Council is a faliure" over and over until they delude themselves into thinking it's true

>>13878673
Debut isn't just joining dumbass, they've all talked about months prep before the debut even starts. You'd be surprised how understanding companies are when they want you to work for them.
It basically costs cover nothing and makes them a better place to work when they allow such a thing.

>>13877781
>Holo management trying to hold back people from being ""aware"" NijiEN exists
Why retards on /vt/ believe this?
It's not at all an exaggeration to say NijiEN's fanbase is composed of mostly Holofags
Like go into NijiEN stream and look at the chat, it's nothing but people with holomems as their icons, fags with "KFP", "SSRB" or "35P" in their sometimes I people who have "Holosanji fan" in their names as well
I genuinely think retards here don't watch either group if you fanbases outside of here unironically segregated

>>13874695
Chloe is doing really well

>>13878841
Sana lost like 70k maybe, not 300, and it was in a bunch of small repetitive cuts - probably it was worse than it could have been because they all say there for a week with no content so it kinda makes sense a YouTube algo would think that is suspicous.

Laplus got bitten harder in one single go than anyone ever had before I think, and her channel had been made known to the public for fucking less than a day, only hours, before getting vids on it - not just one but two back to back. But still for some reason she got dinged ultra hard for now truly no discernable reason.

>>13879025
This doesn't change the fact that HoloEN management wants to pretend they don't exist and kills all off corp collabs.

>>13874695
La+ would be at 600k now if not for the purges. And they were not purging subs back when Myth debuted.

>>13878841
All of Gen 5 got back to their original numbers in a day after debut, Sana can't get her supposed original numbers after months, can you guess why?

>>13879025
I said ""aware"" in quotes because if you read the rest of my post and not be a fucking retarded 11 year old with ADD, I said specifically fucking everyone knows already and Cover is really delusional if they think they are shielding their audience from checking out Niji by voiding collabs.

>>13879152
She took a break, people with shit taste hate brown girls? the numberfag thread is still up there anon.

>>13878841
Faggot subs matter shit live views and superchats matter. And council is literally falling behind NijiEN.

>>13879232
Nigger on what metric????
Are you unironically trying to compare to Gen 6's debut numbers to Council's 4 months after debut?
Are you retard?
>superchats
Nevermind that answers my question, they don't even have superchats yet retard

>>13879084
>>13879163
>This doesn't change the fact that HoloEN management wants to pretend they don't exist and kills all off corp collabs.
It's just a NijiEN management thing, they're seemingly afraid of hololive in general for some reason
KiaraXPomu getting blocked was one thing but the idea that a SelenxOllie collab took this long to potentially materialize, has me inclined to believe this is a NijiEN issue

>>13879484
Sure thing. You know it's all Omega.

>>13879423
Gen6 is a hit Council is a flop. This is a fact.

>>13879588
Omega isn't part of ID. If you want a rrat where hololive is responsible at least blame upper management since that's more plausible.

>>13879152
>All of Gen 5
The bug didn't exist when gen 5 debuted retardchama...
>Sana can't get her supposed original numbers after months, can you guess why?
She literally did then Susan took her subs away again, she celebrated hitting 200k 3 times in the same stream for fucks sake lmao

>>13879226
>numberfag one way
>"n-no don't numberfag that way"
Also this doesn't make sense because why would they even sub in the first place? It's simple anon, the people that subbed but weren't interested in her didn't sub back, this didn't happen with Gen 6 since they were all actually interesting

>>13879588
I didn't realize Omega was so powerful that he could block ID's collabs as well

>>13879680
>>13879779
He IS upper-management though, it's not so unreasonable to think that he has some influence with other managements (and IDs is basically non-existant anyways)

>>13878141
>shit on your antis
>they seethe endlessly
Hey I hope you don't mind that I corrected that for you

>EN3 will be LGBTQ+ focused hiring (((women)))
Thank you gen 6 for using HoloX be these trannies could weaponize the word

>>13875491
why do so many anti-council posts come from ESLs?

>>13879779
Literally one phone call.

>>13879963
>He IS upper-management though
Based on what? At best he's the top EN manager.

>>13879963
>He IS upper-management
They're literally just some rank and file manager for Council
>(and IDs is basically non-existant anyways)
ID management is notoriously lax when it comes to collabs and they've collabed with several different Nijis before
You're trying to push this ridiculously far-fetched idea that a singular manager overstepped the fuck out their boundaries in a way literally never done before by anyone else to block a collab when it's 1000x more likely NijiEN's management just told them "No hololive"

>>13880422
Omega is the head of the branch and also the producer for irys's music, you're dismissing the amount of influence he can have, and also we're talking about the guy that hyped himself up, stole Council's thunder and gave himself a 3k+ png to vtweet, blocking a few collabs isn't the most ridiculous thing that he has done, did you forget about Coco getting blocked?

>>13879025
None of your points debunk that

>>13880422
Why would NijiEN want "no Hololive"? That doesn't make any sense.

>>13880814
Because newfags want to defend management despite the fact that there's already history where they blocked collabs from all branches

>>13879745
Your the one numberfagging I don't care about this shitty /vt/ version of console wars you fags are going on about. I just gave you reasons for it because you seem so interested.
Whats the the Council hate boner today anyway? There are a bunch of threads up.

>>13881092
Gen 6 made everyone realise that council was a flub and that there's still unexplored real talent in vtubing

>>13859703
She would because design is only a third of the equation. A company like hololive brings exposure indies wouldn’t get otherwise, and she would also need a good personality on top of that.

>>13880669
>Omega is the head of the branch
What the fuck are you basing this on?
>you're dismissing the amount of influence he can have
Do you have idea how fucking retarded that sounds? like yeah bro next you'll tell me A-chan is gonna overstep and block EN from collabing
>the guy that hyped himself up, stole Council's thunder and gave himself a 3k+ png to vtweet,
Oh wait you're one of those schizos who has a pathological hatred of Omega go take your meds
>>13880814
Idk could be a variety of reasons, I've seen theories from they're afraid of losing viewership, to Niji still being in good standing with China making them hesitate to interact with Hololive

>>13881384
>What the fuck are you basing this on?
His interview on the first year of EN, he's straight up one of the creators
>Do you have idea how fucking retarded that sounds? like yeah bro next you'll tell me A-chan is gonna overstep and block EN from collabing
You know we're talking about the branch that banned Coco from collabing with them right?

>>13881384
>Niji still being in good standing with China making them hesitate to interact with Hololive
That was always a weak argument because Hololive still collabs with Niji ID and JP

>>13881774
>His interview on the first year of EN, he's straight up one of the creators
That wasn't Omega retard, that was loserbait and loserbait didn't even have the much power much less being "one of the creators"
You know we're talking about the branch that banned Coco from collabing with them right?
How is this relevant to what I said? Coco being blocked wasn't because of JP management overstepping that was all of EN management at the time (3 different people) deciding block them from collabing because she still getting bot'd by chinks, they all walked that back though toward the end, I mean shit Mori's manager allowed her collab with Coco 3 times before she left
>>13881899
>That was always a weak argument because Hololive still collabs with Niji ID and JP
Yeah I don't believe theory either, imo I think it's because NijiEN is afaird of getting what little viewership they have poached by either HoloEN or ID

>>13844194
Council barely streams. If they streamed more, their subs would rise.

>>13882843
>That wasn't Omega retard, that was loserbait and loserbait didn't even have the much power much less being "one of the creators"
Anon there's much much much more proof that omega is EN top management than loserbait being more than a manager, or even still in the company
>How is this relevant to what I said?
EN management has blocked people for petty reasons before, why is it so unreasonable to think that they're blocking nijiEN for petty reasons again?
>imo I think it's because NijiEN is afaird of getting what little viewership they have poached by either HoloEN or ID
And that's why they let them collab with literally every other company including vshojos who are also bigger than them? Get real

>>13881161
Need to push the cunny to rise on the remaining two, then this will drive it home.

>>13883291
>Anon there's much much much more proof that omega is EN top management
Can post a literally sherd of proof to support this
>EN management has blocked people for petty reasons before
Coco getting her chat botted and all her tags on twitter spammed with gore for nearly a year is not all at a "petty reason", it's no brainer why they chose to not deal with that shit by just avoiding Coco until the hate died down
>And that's why they let them collab with literally every other company including vshojos who are also bigger than them?
Ok, and? HoloEN collabs with Vshojo despite some of their numbers literally being comparable or bigger than several EN members

PSSST GUYS, ANOTHER ONE GOES ON A BREAK!!

>>13883745
>Coco getting her chat botted and all her tags on twitter spammed with gore for nearly a year is not all at a "petty reason"
It is retard, jesus I can't believe someone is defending management about this unironically, both parties wanted to collab and it's the same fucking company
> it's no brainer why they chose to not deal with that shit by just avoiding Coco until the hate died down
You mean until she announced her graduation and when they had no choice but to let them collab?

>>13845000
On it...
And checked!

>>13844194
Council got hit really hard with the algorithm unsubbing people, Sana in particular got hurt by it

>>13878673
Every chuuba who joins after EN1 is just there for the free ride. But lots of workplaces have a concept of unlimited unpaid time off.

Why is every Council thread lazy bait? Do you niggers really?