/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>13798704
Yes
Everyone involved got what they deserved
Now shut the fuck up about it

>>13799225
Wow what a cunt

>>13799225
out of context. that was from 11/26

>>13799225
first two messages are from a different context a few days earlier

>>13799225
>Talk shit
>got slapped by mane
Rumao. Deja vu.

>>13799225
I wonder if the people reposting this over and over realize that it is bait

Don't care. They are all irrelevant wannabes anyway.
Just hope that nux chokes on a chode and kills himself.

Vshoujo is for trannies and faggots. Please kill yourself already.

>>13798704
You mean blatantly lying, scrambling to cover up heir own incompetence, encouraging harassment to Nux, shamelessly playing the victim, and then apologizing a few days later? Yeah, bravo, Vshitshow.

>>13798704
>(we)
No. Fuck off, gigacuck.

i dont watch amerimutt garbage

>>13798704
this is something that would never happen to a Japanese company because they don't allow talents going menhera deciding their PR response

>>13799285
>before:
>after:
>noooo, this out of context because it was before and after and not within 5 seconds of each other like I thought the claim was for no reason whatsoever

>>13799225
Omg vtsis did she just said that?

>>13798704
>nux got shitted on
This was going to happen sooner or later.

Vwhorejo fucked up. They blatantly lied several times, tried to cover shit up, constantly altered their statements to make Nux the villain, the talents sicced their fanbases on Nux and then released robotic non-apologies that weren't remotely sincere but something they HAD to do. All in an attempt to keep their public image clean. No matter what they do this will forever hang over them and people will always be skeptical of them and their motives from now on after seeing how far they're willing to go to act like victims. I've seen people say that people will forget about it in a month, but this was a bit too big for that.

Nux fucked up too. While I think he partially did what he did out of genuine concern for indies, it's also clear to anyone he did it so he could paint himself as a hero and for views. There's been nothing but dead air from him for the past 3 days. It remains to be seen if he ever says anything again, but I certainly hope he doesn't. He is and has always been a clout chasing faggot with an awful avatar.

Both VShojo and Nux fucked each other in the ass with barbed wire and both lost. Their fanbases are still arguing with each other. As someone who was just watching the shitshow unfold while laughing and hoping they both destroy each other this has been a really fun ride. Thank you VShojo and Nux for the laughs.

>>13800227
You do realize that Vshojo has universal praise outside of 4chan on their handling of this right? Stop trying to bait drama faggot.

>>13799604
>bragging about being fan of idolshit
lol ok

>>13800269
>universal praise
NTA and not trying to bait drama since it's retarded, but holy fucking cope anon. It's practically a 50/50 at both sides.

>>13798704
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Vshojoshits 100% Deserved to be banned by Cover/CHADmega.
Bullet ? dodged.
Drama fagging? averted.
Controversy? mitigated.

Imagine defending these neon colored twitch muppets. "My sex muppet did nothing wrong, LEavE hER aLONe. fuck you nuxfags" Rumao Rumao. Pathetic.

Why are we still discussing this? It seems like everything got wrapped up and the only people still making these threads are nuxfags.

>>13800269
>Thinks twitter is the majority of people

Kek

>>13798704
How many times has vshitshow changed its "official response"?

>>13798704
Not familiar with the specific incident you're speaking of but I do not remember any instance of either Ichikara or Cover or any other vtuber company handling a drama properly.

>>13800269
>universal praise
Hahahahahahahaha

>>13800269
You are genuinely retarded if you actually believe the shit you just spewed. The only people "praising" Vshojo are vshojo loving twitch faggots. Everyone else is either disappointed or utterly disgusted at how they handle this entire situation.

>>13800491
They aren't getting universal praise on Twitter. Maybe he's looking on their subreddit or something.

>>13798704
This kind of cheap drama wouldn't have happened to niji or holo to begin with

>>13800622
>>13800491
No how about twitch, twitter, reddit, hell even YT comments defend Vshojo. Hard to get more of a consensus than that.

>>13800487
Because of two things anon:
1. Schizos and dramafags
2. A normal day in /vt/
You can see at least 3-4 anti threads about anyone daily. An example; people constantly shitting on Connor on some threads and also a circlejerk of devotion in the vshojo generals, in which they discuss more about him than the actual girls.

Either get used to it or stop paying attention to bait.

>>13800723
What the hell are you even talking about?? Not everyone is supporting vshojo, at the very least they're supporting the management instead of the fucking girls. You need to stop your copium dosis.

>>13800881
Get out of 4chan you smoothbrain. See what the real world says instead of your schizo fantasyland rrat kingdom.

>>13800723
>Hugbox
>BIGGER HUGBOX
>Many comments deleted

Come on, I get you like them but you gotta use your brain anon.

>>13799225
lmao like poetry

>>13800269
i have been autistically scouring twitter, reddit, youtube, and 4chan for it, 4chan is the only ones that actively shit on them, but reddit its been 50/50, nux's subreddit backs him, vshojo's backs the girls, twitter is the same, nux's twitter wall is people backing him, vshojo girls have their white knights on their wall, and youtubers have been making videos shitting on both of them, with the comments fighting on both sides.

lol no.

>>13800910
Man, you really have nothing on life if you try to shit talk someone calling him names because of the fucking reality as an attempt to justify your delusional mind.

You talk about the real world when you are not even in it faggot. There is people who are in Vshojo side and some that are not. Stop trying to deny the truth, only retards like you generalize everyone as schizos and rrat believers. This >>13801172 is what's happening right now.

no one cares
hololive wouldn't have this happen because they don't participate in edrama

>>13798704
>Based gunrun
Isnt this the guy that told his shills to blast anyone talking about this scandal with "w-we gave him 30 minutes!" then deleted his statement outright

>>13801481
Yes. Which is funny considering he got called out for lying with proof and 16 minutes later removed it

>>13801433
honestly i thought you were targeting me at the moment but you just quoted me to dunk on the retard, thanks homie

If VShojo won, it was a Pyrrhic victory. I don't know if that's reality or just my brain on little sleep and no copium, but all this did was fuck over people I like to watch and ruin what should have been a special moment, and it hurts. I just want them to be happy; is that too much to ask?

Sorry Anon you can’t gaslight people into thinking they handled that well. but also if this was Nijisanji or Hololive none of the talents would be stupid enough to tweet at him, the companies wouldn’t be dumb enough to approve a video. He wouldn’t even be in contact with Nijisanji or Hololive. Sorry Anon your whores are fucking stupid and you kinda have to accept that.

>>13801598
Thanks and big ups to you for being so based my man, i got your back.

>>13800227
they could have a talent murder someone live on stream and would still have half of the community rallying behind them (same goes for hololive/nijisanji) the people that cared about the facts involved wont forget but a majority of the community couldnt give a shit about any of the facts it was just pure mob mentality of defending their precious vtuber women at the end of the day. If it had just been Nyanners doing her normal shit it'd have only been her fanbase, but since every single vshojo talent was effectively required to defend her after she did that it became an easy gang up, corporation of vtubers basically can't lose in the public image. each talent has a personal army of dedicated fans and a dozen talents with their own personal armies isn't something anyone can really stop without an insane amount of support, the smarter play for them was to not back down at all and just push him to the edge, they could've won regardless of his receipts.

>>13799225
Vshojo's vthots infamous for being two faced cunts are two faced cunts

Before

>>13801730
The problem is they wouldn't be able to stop him. Doing so would be illegal. Wouldn't be surprised if the doxers targeted Nux hoping that he would be retarded enough to turn it into content

>>13801633
Can only hope that they learn from this and it doesn't happen again.

>>13798704
They handled it perfectly. They confirmed all of my preformed biases towards them so now I don't have to bother checking them out ever.

>>13800269
holy shit where though?
you must have gone on reddit and then called that public perception fucking lol.
every video i watch just has these walls of text where they shit on vshujuda and at the end only they say that nux is a fag but he still won this.
2 subreddits is not a proper poll by any stretch

>>13800269
where lol
i have to scroll down for so long on the whorejo apology tweets to find a single word of praise

>>13801974
After

people only care about those 2 subreddits and twitter though. Its where the masses gather and the masses decision there will be perpetrated as fact.

>>13800723
Every YouTuber that is covering the drama has comment sections that are defending Nux and putting the blame on Nyanners.

Don’t give two fucks about Vshojo but I do genuinely hope Nux commits suicide.

>>13802298
Comments on the reddit are disabled and you cant make new posts

>>13798815
>Nux gets blacklisted from all vtuber collabs and is shit on by the simps who worship their vtoober waifus
>Vthots give a passive aggressive "Private" "apology" while still openly shitting on him and without a shred of remorse for the false accusations
>Vthots continue being absolute cunts without any consequenses because thirsty betas are kissing the dirt e-girls with used up vaginas stepped on while barking at the bad man who offended their CEO pimps

All well that end well no simp?

>>13802524
So you're saying it's 100% in favour of vshoujo's official statement.

>>13802546
Yep.

>>13802524
the i do it for frees can not keep up with people calling them out.
>>13801481
ya way too many lies this just confirmed why i never got into them in the first place

>>13798704
Please make yourselves a favor and stop watching western chuubas, white roasties will always be roasties, both online and offline.

>>13798704
Yes, but unironically, even if it doesn't look like it here on /vt/. Froot is streaming right now and her numbers are the same as always (even ignoring the snuffy raid), no Nuxfags or other shitposters in her chat.
As a vshojofag it looks like the girls lost nothing and will never collab with Nux again (which is a great thing).

>>13802233
>top: hololive pfp
>bottom: obvious 4chan vshojo anti

>>13802546
you seem a bit biased

>>13802824
What's your "interpretation" of the events that took place then Miss Shitcat, please enlighten me?

>>13802233
>shame that nux is going to have trust issues from this
lmao, isn't Nux's content literally "let's derail this other content creator's stream for my own content"?
This whole situation will barely affect him, other content creators already dislike him.

>>13798704
>comments in the pink cat and vei apology are full of people saying how much they fucked up by trying to shame Nux
Holy based, if this was hololive people would have jump into yesman mode

>both sides got their reputation damaged for the public eyes
I see this as an absolute win.

>>13801730
ya their format is shit and the cause of this incident all they had to do was shut up and this would have been mostly one sided affair but they had to open both their lips and expose that they all had horrid personalities and terrible circles

>>13802981
I mean if the Mel sexual harassment couldn't kill cover this will do nothing. It's a drop in comparison to that.

>>13802981
Except 1 of them has 2million subs and is currently the most subbed male vtuber in the world and the other ones.... well, lets just say all of them have a active chaturbate/onlyfans accounts

>>13802981
It was going to happen sooner or later. I'm surprised that guy cdawgfag hasn't get shitted on too.

At the end of the day everyone lost at least something that's not numbers. Simps will act like nothing happened in the same way that the girls will.

>>13802721
this unless your really lucky any western vtuber is just a normie westerner
>>13802435
unfortunately he is used to this and been through similar events so he will be good

>>13798704
>Nux reputation ruined amongst 80 iq simp twitch subhumans which make up a good portion of his viewers
>Vshojo reputation ruined among the rest of the vtubing industry for at least half a year
>Both outed as retarded

A great win for everyone.

>>13803094
The best part is whoever manages Vshojo's twitter tried to handle it politely at first but the pink retard had to sperg out in her safespace, which then got leaked (lol) and procced this shitshow. Pink cat entertaining at least.

>>13803221
>all of them have a active chaturbate/onlyfans accounts
Please link me Nyanners onlyfans. I need it to create memes.

>>13803276
reps
the gif was posted a million times already in the past week

>>13802919
Nux is a faggot.

>>13798704
Nyanners won't fuck up a 3rd time right guys?

>>13803395
You mean 5th
>fucked up by attacking nux here
>fucked up by making the reddit statement
>fucked up by attacking him on twitter (then deleting it)
>fucked up by making a public apology and self suspending herself

Can I get a QRD?

>>13799285
>>13799299
so she is an hypocrite
and then veibaefags ask why the fuck her oishi doesn't deserve to step on legos

>>13803436
Ohh I was talking about her hypocrite past along with the whole event but I guess that will do.

>>13803436
Holy fucking shit, this is unbelievable. But i don't understand something. If this is all scary, harmful and stressful for her and her family why doesn't she graduate OR stop acting like a prick? I have nothing against her, but this is just far fetched.
I feel sorry for the vshojobros. They just can't catch a break.

>>13802928

He had already made enemies with some of the vsluts for stealing their spotlight, he's just too much of a diva smartass to have noticed. He must have thought he was being the whimsical gay friend of the girls, turns out they absolutely hated his guts for having "wrong opinions" and got into a bitch hissyfit he didn't expect once they finally had an opportunity to backstab him.

This situation has proved the people who hated vshojo were completely correct in their judgement and the people who defend this e-thots with anime models are completely deluded.

>>13803333
Well yeah that's obvious but that's no excuse to claim to be good friends just turn on him when he's at his lowest point and lowkey suggest your simps to doxx him for making the company that pimps them look bad. Unironically slut behavior, same thing that happens to customers that don't overpay for sex work, they sick the pimps to rough them up, gross.

>>13803436
based nyanners. People who defend nux would be lobotomized for being too retarded 100 years ago

>>13804034
Pomf pomf kimochi

>>13804110
Nyanners collab with moonman when? Its been a while

>>13804034
She practically confirmed that /vt/ nux-antis were never in the wrong. Poor nyannersfags still have to see their oshi being contradictarian with everything.

>>13804216
Lol I had honestly forgotten about that, wow and yikes!

>>13804255
there is no way she could have collaberated with moonman what?

>>13804351
https://streamable.com/j7dgk6

>>13803580
>VShojo is dealing with a doxxing thing for a while
>They get cybersecurity help and even get the authorities involved
>Doxxing thing starts shifting focus outside with phishing
>That part lasts a week, VSJ doesn't release a statement because they prefer prevention to mitigation
>Nux is one of the two people phished
>Makes video, despite being told it is a bad idea
>Does not ask permission for the vid, instead gives VSJ a limited amount of time to respond once it's done
>Limp-dicked VSJ cannot bring itself to say all his sources were fed to him by doxxers, false, and that he shouldn't release the video
>Can only get minor changes accepted and instead focus on making a response
>Releases his video full of falsehoods; VShojo management releases hasty statement politely saying, 'we had this you know'
>VShojo talent treats this as the last straw due to Nux's history of scummy behaviour to them
>Nyanners snaps on Discord
>It gets posted publicly and goes viral
>The rest of VShojo snaps eventually
>Nux apologizes for not taking down the video fast enough, not for the video itself
>Twitter responses intensify
>Nux releases evidence showing VSJ did not say no
>Nux's fanbase goes to defend their batman-joker
>VSJ releases multiple statements making everything clearer
>Also showing that, while not saying no to its release, they very clearly did not like the contents of the video and did not want it made in the first place
>Too late
>Nux's fanbase harasses VSJ everywhere
>Eventually, most of the girls at VSJ apologize for how they handled the situation, if not for their response
>Doxxers gloat that Nux got the wrong guy by making videos

>Nux loses
>VShojo loses
>Nux's fans win

>>13804530
are we talking bout the same thing thou

>>13803792
>for having "wrong opinions"
Nobody cares about his opinions, whatever those are. The way he makes his content (derailing streams of other people) is what made him unpopular with the girls. I have seen clips of them talking about this from way before this current drama.

>>13804578
Wait, Nux didn't even get the right guy? The actual doxxer is making videos?

>>13804578
>nux was the retard that schizos needed to prove that they were right in hating him and vshojo all together
Fucking incredible top kek.

>>13798704
Niji and Holo tubers have the sense to not lash out publicly in the first place, unlike pink cat. Everything VShojo did afterwards was damage control, for something that would've been avoided if Vshojo had a better grip on their talents

>>13804790
Nope. He just gave the doxxing group the attention they craved and released evidence they fed him. Turns out the evidence they fed him didn't lead to any of the members of the group.

>>13804578
One thing this missed is that the girls privately contacted nux and told him to take it down. He didn't respond to them so nyanners had a meltdown and the rest happened.

>>13804034
>>13804216
>>13804225
>>13804351
She lashes out at everyone who reminds them of her "problematic" past, ironically her character is constantly referencing her own old 4chan memes. She's an oldfag in denial who wants the praise of tumblerites and betas, she has to fake being outraged by the things she truly loves doing and was loved for doing, she will never be happy pretending to be something she is not, a (((well adjusted))) feminist normie.

>>13804916
Had I made this version more balanced, this thread would want my head.

>>13804916
>>13804578
It also misses that the girls claimed Nux was told multiple times not to post the video, which wasn't true at all. And that Gunrun initially claimed that they only had half an hour's notice of the video, which they edited out of the article after people pointed out that they actually had at least 3 hours' notice. And Vshojo never asked him to delay it to give them more time either.

>>13799604
I am a tranny and I hate vshitshow, they are all sjw retard libshits, fuck them all, I hope each vshitter gets slaughtered

>>13806681
I know a flag when I see one and that aint it

>>13800622
>Everyone else
Twitter incels with burner accounts

>>13802801
Correct

>>13798704
>let's divert the attention away from our own fucks up

>>13798704
>my dick
>in vshojo ass
Yes, OP, I agree

>claims they're not an idol group
>behaves like an idol group

what the fuck happened to "muh individuality" and why are some of them temporarily shelved for speaking their minds?

>>13800269
>reddit is the entire internet
Go back redditor.

>>13804578
>>They get cybersecurity help
Seriously doubt the credentials of this guy's cybersecurity talent.

>>13803580
Here's the QRD / rundown

>>13804578
>That part lasts a week, VSJ doesn't release a statement because they prefer prevention to mitigation

Friendly reminder that vshojo.co and v-shojo.com are available for purchase right now by attackers.

Friendly reminder that the attackers could easily keep phishing on other domains, and that VShojo would have no way of knowing until it was too late.

The only way to stop this was to release a public statement about the phishers, which they had to be forced into doing.

>>13800269
Is that why Gunrun disabled comments on his medium post after people started criticizing it?

>>13812362
Friendly reminder that there have been no documented cases of precognition in humans, and that domain names are expensive.

>>13802546
Based

>>13812509
Exactly, that's why a public statement was the only way forward.

Which they didn't make, because they're a shitty company just trying to save face.

>>13812172
Not the original anon that requested, but thanks, very informative. Can't believe everyone is that fucking retarded tho, a simple public statement would have saved them so much trouble, and if everyone tried to talk to each other instead of trying to get clicks on jewtube would have been so much better.

>>13803117
That one at least got resolved in Mel's favor. This shit has no winners outside the original doxxers who are laughing at both of them.

>>13803117
>Mel sexual harassment
QRD?

>>13798704
Did everyone forgot how Cover just copyright striked NRKM thrice?

>>13812770
Mel's manager was a creep and stalked her IRL. After it was brought to light Cover fired the manager and an investigation was launched after Mel took it to the police. Mel took a break after than came back and Cover started the new policy of having mostly female managers for the talents.

>>13812591
Again, they don't have precognition.
They only knew of one VTuber that got phished before they shut the whole thing down, and he didn't even fall for it completely. (The other did fall for it rather terribly, but how were they supposed to know with Discord being retarded?)
So, imagine you see that, in a week, even with their shiny and beautiful domain name, this group of doxxers only managed to almost get one guy. Why bother sending out a PSA about these absolute mouth-breathers who seem to be in it only for attention? Giving them a PSA is what they WANT.

>>13812802
Most people don't give a shit about NRKM and basically said good riddance to him.

>>13812923
Knowing jp, it was 100% known before and they left it alone too long and it escalated.

>>13812362
Friendly reminder that services such as pic related exist and are cheaper than just registering hundreds of domains.

>>13813392
Even if VShojo were using such a service, it's not like it could know whether phishing emails were being sent from a domain or not. They can't intercept private SMTP traffic.

You also can't file a takedown request to a registrar unless you have legal standing to do so, and as VShojo has found out first-hand, it takes time to do so, as most registrars favor their paying customers.

>>13812964
Excellent copium, yeah doing nothing was definitely the right call!

>>13812964
>>13812964
>is only one vtuber
nice to know how you treat a potential oshi you match with vshojo highly

>>13803221
Silver has an onlyfans?

I am fucking confused now. I don't even know who was in the wrong anymore (except for nux of course, he is a faggot). Guess i lurked way too fucking much.

Was it really management fault and nyanners sperged out because she was freaking out and being doxxed, and didn't meant to be a hypocrite? Veibae acted like a slutty bitch out of her own account, or is just exagerated bullshit?

I am by no means biased. I just want a bigger picture on things while trying to not be ignorant.

>>13799225
Is that from their private discord? If that's the case, I wonder who is the traitor.

>>13814063
yes and a lewd audio only 2 sessions exists one is for sale other one is lost to time.

>>13814192
It's from the subs discord and it was just a few moment before the "clown" video on twitter. The date has of course been erased on the picture.

>>13814230
Link?

this is always funny to read those full of Vshojofag's cope thread

>>13814284
So are you going to explain how Vshojo will lose money or views because of this?

>>13814371
Cope

>>13814277
https://www.dlsite.com/home/work/=/product_id/RJ299652.html/?locale=en_US

the 18+ version is hoarded by her oldest of fans.

>>13814371
both

>>13814371
>w-who care if they were wrong as long as they dont lose money
just as i said, sweet sweet cope

>>13814504
How?

>>13812964
They don't need precognition. They knew that people were phishing, and they should have let people know with a PSA just to be on the safe side. Not doing so is just a flagrant disregard for the safety of people not a part of their company, namely indies. It sent the very clear message that they don't give a fuck, whether they do or not.
>Giving them a PSA is what they WANT
Who fucking cares? People's safety takes precedence over not wanting to give the doxxers a hard-on over their notoriety. Putting out a PSA to let the retards who are dumb enough to fall for it know about it so they can't actually fall for it would cause the doxxers to literally be powerless...because no one is falling for their phishing. VShojo were morally obligated to put out a PSA, but they didn't because VShojo has no morals and are only concerned with preserving their own public image (which has been ruined now anyway to anyone who isn't a brainlet simp/white knight) and business.

>>13814539
What am I coping with if there are literally no consequences?

>>13814371
they will lose money i guess but only a little probably
thing is this limits the personalities of anyone joining vshojo in the future probably since a gentle and reserved oshi that does not like drama is going to now know who to never join but i mean on the surface it seem like have both lost very little but there is some naunces on what their relationships will be like now outsid

>>13814590
>People's safety
Journalistic integrity

>>13814371
They'll lose a couple of viewers and the trust of some people but it's always negligible when you have simps that can pay your entire rent in just one stream.

>>13814642
That’s all conjecture but if true, nux still loses a hell of an lot more. He was all over the vshojo girls dicks wanting to be associated with them any way they could. Some liked him and others hated him but now they’ll just keep a strained and polite distance from him, which is what they should have done to begin with. In terms of their actual goals, Nux is screwed

>>13814179
It seems that around the time that Nyanners started losing her shit, thats when the company began to turn on him.
Not that it paints Nux in a substantially better light, since he still made a mistake by making it less of a short PSA and more of a spectacle, and it seemed like he didn't realize this would probably put him on the company's shit list. At least he let people know in the end that there was a phishing scheme going on and that people should probably be safe.

>>13814495
Oh I see, I was thinking she had an irl onlyfans or something like Mel

>>13798704
Vhsojo is more in the wrong. The only wrong thing Nux did was get baited with wrong information. But Vshojo should have made an announcement on Twitter or something telling people that there were phishing attempts being made. And they shouldn't have given Nux the green light to post his video if they didn't like it.

>>13813008
Anon, his biggest video has over one million views and the few times he streams he will always get close to 15k live viewers. He is a big deal in Japan

>>13812964
>Again, they don't have precognition.

Which is why a public statement was the only way forward.

>They only knew of one VTuber that got phished before they shut the whole thing down, and he didn't even fall for it completely. (The other did fall for it rather terribly, but how were they supposed to know with Discord being retarded?)

See >>13812172. Sakii Nightshade got phished, doxxed, and swatted. Nux got phished, but didn't provide dox.

VShojo shutdown the vshojo.org domain on Oct 20th, based on their timeline.
https://twitter.com/VShojoOfficial/status/1463325838288605185

Sakii posted about her swatting to twitter on Oct 19th, and on Oct 20th Nux DM'd her about it.
https://twitter.com/Nux_Taku/status/1450878143850557448

Based on Gunrun's medium post, Nux talked to VShojo on Oct 20th, and Gunrun mentions Sakii there.
https://medium.com/@gunrun/addressing-security-accusations-2ce5e0b554cd

So they knew about both victims on the same day as the shutdown occurred.

>So, imagine you see that, in a week, even with their shiny and beautiful domain name, this group of doxxers only managed to almost get one guy.

At that moment in time, they only knew of Sakii and Nux.

They had no way of knowing what other domains were being used, or whether the phishing was continuing, or who else had become victims, or who else would become victims. They knew about this gang for months, and they knew they now started coming after indie vtubers.

>Why bother sending out a PSA about these absolute mouth-breathers who seem to be in it only for attention? Giving them a PSA is what they WANT.

Because the safety of the public matters more, and realistically an arrest wasn't going to be made. See >>13812172, even in their now-deleted original statement they admitted they were having trouble making an arrest since they were underage third-worlders.

>>13814704
Exactly, so what are Vshojofags supposed to be upset about that involves large amounts of coping? That the girls apologized after doing something regrettable? So did Nux, only he did it on mic and sounded like a whipped dog.

>>13814785
but in reality nux already has more subs on youtube i am hearing and he seems fine with what he has achieved so far on youtube even if he is scummy an clickbait

>>13814796
I take it you don't watch any of them.
Almost all of them have either had bad experiences with him or were trying not to have ANY experiences with him. The notable exception is Mel, for reasons only she and God know.

>>13814179
in my view nux and gunrun are at fault mainly.
nux for being a clickbaiting faggot who is too autistic to realize when he should stop something.
gunrun for not trying to stop nux more and not comunicating with the girls.
both for roping mel into the chat since she clearly wasnt actually there to have a say on the matter since i havent seen any screenshots with her talking in that chat.
also nyanners never corrected her statement on her knowledge of the video ahead of time, that being she and the others had 0 knowledge.
the others for going along with it because that just meant they double down on a lie which if they hadnt lied wouldve still made nux look bad.

the matter of the investigation is pointless to argue because people either fail to understand all businesses do that shit and are not people or moral and most businesses dont put out psa for every single problem they encounter.
or they do understand all this and arent adding to the debate and just trying to get (you)s which these threads are really good for

>>13814590
anon read the above paragraph

>>13814856
Most are just acting like your typical /vt/ poster, some wanted to cancel Nux because he is kind of a stupid fag and some are stupid enough to think that nux was 100% in the wrong

>>13814951
I would never watch these whores, correct

>>13814833
she was leaning to that then vshojo happened.

>>13814900
He’s not going to be in the poorhouse. He already a shit ton of views but he also wanted the clout and high growth that the most popular western VTubers would bring him (look how often Gura appears in his thumbnails). This closes off certain avenues that were very important to him, but, yes, relatively speaking, he will be okay too

>>13814987
Then either learn or shut the fuck up.

>>13815039
Make me, bitch

>>13814982
Yes there was definitely some schadenfreude and wanting to see nux suffer. But they did get to see that with his apology video. I guess if you’re saying they wanted him to suffer EVEN MORE, there will be mild disappointment. But for Vshojofags to be truly upset some major change impacting the girls business would have to happen. And it won’t. A few hilarious posts were saying this is the end of the company.
Also a small number of vshofriends actuallly liked Nux before this, just like Melody did.

>>13798704
> Vshofags defending incompetence

If it was Cover or Niji, the only publicity that would happen is Nux showing the world that he's a dumbass, again. Management in that western thot group proved that not only they are retarded, they will also throw people under the bus instead of owning up to fuckups.

>>13815060
No need. You already do.

>>13814975
>and most businesses dont put out psa for every single problem they encounter
Businesses absolutely notify customers of active phishing scams, it's in the FTC guidelines for business email phishing.

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/small-businesses/cybersecurity/business
>Notify your customers
>If you find out scammers are impersonating your business, tell your customers as soon as possible — by mail, email, or social media. If you email your customers, send an email without hyperlinks. You don’t want your notification email to look like a phishing scam. Remind customers not to share any personal information through email or text. If your customers’ data was stolen, direct them to IdentityTheft.gov to get a recovery plan.

Even more of a public concern if it's something beyond identity theft like swatting, which can kill you.

>>13814856
do you have like no empathy
dude thought some were good friends
getting dogpiled and betrayed
is very trash behaviour and everyone main problem is just how it went socially
silence and a notice about this doxxer would have put an end to this saga

>>13815013
Yeah, did some digging and found her joi and porn animations she voiced.

>>13815301
I have some empathy but only a small amount or I wouldn’t be hanging out in this human dumpster fire.
And I have zero for Nux in particular; as far as I’m concerned he was an obnoxious nuisance who was constantly bothering other creators for clout.
But that doesn’t mean I’m blind to Vshojo’s demonstrated incompetence either.

>>13815214
Seethe
Cope
Dilate
Mald

>>13815405
Yes I’m so very furious that you’re lying about watching the creators you are clearly obsessed with.

>>13815176
Yeah some people wanted him canceled for real because of his "problematic" behavior but that won't happen here.
Those posts are just /vt/ fags being fags so that's not a problem and yeah melody and ironmouse talk with nux but they also backstabbed him, but that's just thots being thots so that's on nux for trusting people that he doesn't know irl

>>13815400
>or i would not be hanging around this human dumpsterfire
i kekked thanks anon

>>13815456
(You)

>>13814371
>>13814602
>explain how Vshojo will lose money or views because of this?
>there are literally no consequences?
not him, but don't you think this is pretty weak line of defence (if you are not a member or employee of Vshojo)?
after this Vshojo fans will complaying that Niji/Holo fans are brainless corpo paypigs. watch your self pls.

>>13815501
The fuck are you talking about? do your english reps before posting please.

>>13798704
What I did learn from this is how incompetent VS are. I did thought Nux had bigger balls, but looks like couple crying girls forced his ass to surrender. Jeez.

>>13815501
Don’t misunderstand me. I’m not an apologist for gunrun and that lame “cyber security” guy. They behaved in a very stupid manner. I am big fan of the talent though (so sue me, I think they’re cute and funny). If I thought they were going away or if their prospects were going to be limited by gunrun’s fuckups, I would definitely be coping. But people are behaving like this is some kind of crushing defeat to Vshojo’s fans.
So I’m not defending them as a corporation - and other than the talent, you can’t even compare them to niji or Holo at all. 2 very different animals.

>>13815716
Acquire taste

>>13815213
almost like vshojo isnt an idol company thats owned by a bigger company, its just a group of girls who are the ones with power while the managers just work the backend
>>13815236
do you know how many problems (not just digital security) a company has in a day? most businesses never tell consumers anything thats happening because it would be pointless, they do put psas out when its something that they have no control over but they dont release a psa everytime they lose power or the servers go down unless its noticable by the consumer end.
an investigation is something they have control over so they dont need to tell the public just yet.
plus its possible they bundled the new doxxing event in with the old investigation that was with nyanners doxxing.
also doxxers are looking for attention, making a psa would just embolden them and try harder to fuck people over.
>>13815301
i understand that but also i dont care for nux, hes persona and personality are cringe and id rather him stop making content or start making decent content instead of grifting.
he deserves what he got when he didnt take into account how his friends would feel about his video, nux was so caught up in his own head that basically walked into a minefield thinking he was going to be the good guy who stopped the evil.
while id be upset if i experienced the same, i would still recognize that i set myself up for people to turn against me.

>>13815761
Copium overdose

>>13815734
I probably won’t, but that’s not really the point. The point is that there is very little coping or despair going on in Vshojofagland. This isn’t a big deal.
I wouldn’t mistake my curiosity and amusement at some of Vshojo’s detractors (a few of whom have good points) with concern for Vshojo’s future.

>>13815868
Ok, return to your containment shithole then

>>13816028
Not until all nux threads are on page 10 or archived.

>>13815761
based nux hater, shame that you like vshojo

>>13816028
>>13816028

Anon, I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but this entire board is the containment shithole.

>>13815716
>I am big fan of the talent though
yeah.. this is pretty sad part of the story, because with other corps you can just blame Managment and high ups.
>But people are behaving like this is some kind of crushing defeat to Vshojo’s fans.
with new Holo gen 6 announcement this will be impossible to tell if there even was any decline, but this definitely will slow down their new gen announcement, which gives more time and scace to Niji's wave 4, for example.
+"drama" wasn't messy enough to spook regular viewers
i would be more afraid of inner drama, then outside consequences, to be honest.

>>13816125
this board was created to lock us autists away from sperging about parasoc stuff kinda sad that some here do not deserve a parasocial relationship never mind even real girls

>>13816357
>Orcas eats shark's livers
YABE

>>13803436
fuckin nyanners trying to act like everything should be okay now, dumb bitch deserves the hate sine everybody knows those vslutjou wouldn't apologize publicly

So, VS had to make one public announcement about people using their name to phish out info, but they didn't... this is fucking basic rule of cybersecurity in big companies for fuck sake.

How fucking dumb you have to be to think it's fine to stay silent when such fucking thing has been going on and seeing some of private DM's between Nux, CS guy and VS CEO shows a lot of edited out stuff. VS is trying to hide how fucking incompetent they were and it's so visible. Nux ain't angel here, but at least he is honest (most of the time).

>>13800269
>universal praise

who the fuck is nux is he leafy 2.0

>>13803753
Mental illness.
She needs the attention and gets paid for it.

>>13798704
>November 21st: Nux makes a tweet suggesting that he will be shortly releasing a video covering the situation.
>VSJ Staff enlist their Cybersecurity "expert" Ph0enix to run communications with Nux
>STAFF'S CONTEXT: THERE IS A NEGATIVE HISTORY OF INTERACTIONS BETWEEN VSJ AND NUX THAT LEAD US TO PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION
Ok... how many colabs did Nux had with VSJ girls again? If last paragraph was true, then he wouldn't have any colabs with any of them. Smells like bullshit, looks like bullshit, tastes like bullshit, it's a bullshit.

>>13815761
Simps gonna cope

>>13816820
h3h3 is leafy 2.0, nux is just a cuck

>>13813051
Going by some of her rants on her sub account it went on for almost a year. Not just stalking but him harassing her in different ways, such as forcing meetings alone overnight at places. She never said if there was any physical interaction but its easy to assume.

>>13800269
Most of youtube is on nux's side though.

>>13798704
Nux fucked up by letting himself get misled by the doxxers.
VShojo fucked up by not giving a general blanket statement to the public about being careful with your info instead of hiding it for months.
But the shitshow might have been avoided if Nyanners didn't go full Menhera and get the girls to dogpile him.

Public consensus seems to agree that Nux vindicated himself with the receipts.

>>13816728
anyone got a link to the video he made? I'm trying to find it but im an retard

>>13814849
>VShojo shutdown the vshojo.org domain on Oct 20th, based on their timeline.
Didn't they say it went back up after the first shutdown and it took a while for them to get it shut down the second time? Plus it would've taken days if not weeks after that second shutdown for law enforcement to hand over the information they got from the site, so it's only at that point that they would've been able to verify that Sakii and Nux were the only victims.

>>13817666
It took them two attempts to do it, but it seems vshojo.org didn't go back online when it did get shut down.

>>13815761
>most businesses never tell consumers anything thats happening because it would be pointless,
Nta but would not be pointless in this case and there is no point to talk about other businesses. I really hate shitty arguments like this. What if all the other businesses you claim are in the wrong too?

how do you all have time to care about this shit
don't you have streams to watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NPzoWQgd3o

>>13803753
Drama like this makes her earn attention and money and also a handful of new simps. Why would she stop doing it if it's convenient for her.

>>13817948

He doesn't sound sincere at all and this seems like a tryhard attempt at damage control.

>>13817948
AIEEEEEEEEEE
FORGIVE ME LORD NUXANOR
I KNEEEEEEEEL

>>13817948
he sounds oddly human unlike all the vshojo responses.

>>13818182
>human
He's a jew

>>13817948
>witchhunt
>murder nux day
>character assassination

Nice apology. Never trust the jew and their nigger pets.

>>13818201
yea, thats why i said oddly. I already learned my lesson from H3H3.

>>13816953
Corporations have an obligation to try to earn profit. It's more profitable for VS to keep everything quiet than it is for them to warn people about the risks. They can justify this by claiming that their own employee told them to keep quiet as an 'expert'.

>>13798704

Everyone fucked up, there was not enough communication. Learn from it and move on.

But who are we kidding /vt/ is going to obsess over this like Nancy Grace and the Duke lacrosse case

>>13817948
Even if it was a fake apology, it was surprisingly reasonable as far as cancel apologies go. Unlike Gunrun's statement, which is simply states that he's a retard for hiring an autistic faggot for a cybersecurity expert, and not taking any responsibility for the management's actions.

Nux may be a shitposter, but it's embarrassing when a jew somehow handles the fuckup better than a full fledged company.

>>13818182
went back to bruce wayne nux instead of batman nux from joker nux

>>13818301
Bro it was 10v1, it was absolutely a witch hunt lmao

And Nux came out on top like a KING

>>13817758
they are but thats because businesses arent moral

>>13818564
>it's embarrassing when a jew somehow handles the fuckup better than a full fledged company.
This, hate when an apology video starts with feels bait but I was expecting the big company to be more professional than attention lech.

>>13817629
There's a video linked in >>13812172

>>13818526
no one has a lower opinion of /vt/ than I, but i actually think they too will get bored of this once Nux and the girls quit issuing retarded statements/apologies. but he just uploaded yet another video.

>>13798704
Imagine for argument's sake Hololive auditioners were being phished through a fake site. Imagine a Japanese Nux broke the news. Which talent is even going to say anything other than PR? Imagine for argument's sake Pekora or someone big was really pissed for some dumb reason and tried to convince all her buddies in discord to dogpile the one keemstarfag.

It just doesn't fit, apples and oranges, but it's really funny to think about. Hololive talents if nothing else understand professionalism.

>>13818721
Witch Hunt implies he DIDN'T fuck with every last one of them over the past year. All they did was point out slimy shit he pulled. Sucks to suck like him.

If you go around smacking 10 people, and then 100 people push your shit in for it, it ain't a Witch Hunt.

>>13819156
They are good little automatons. Except until their manager tries to rape them.

>>13819156
They would never answer because, even if they ramble about almost anything they know that starting drama WILL get them in trouble. Meanwhile vshojo doesn't give a fuck/can't control the thots that work for them.

chris metzen

>>13819236
They're good workers yes. It's treated as a job. Which makes them avoid getting roped into bitchy catfights.

>>13819188

Donating and raiding isn't 'fucking' with as much as Nyanners and Vei would like to say because he never did shit for them lmao

Doesn't really matter tho cause he came out on top, like always. Uncancellable KING

>>13819407
>Uncancellable KING
actual simp

>>13819480

>>13819532
>simp declaring that he's a simp
I don't even hate nux but at least don't be this obvious

>>13819532
extremely aroused simp

>>13819588
i suck nux's balls evry night

>>13819588
bitch that's not even me

>>13819588
>I don't even hate nux
Why not?

>>13819667
Good, keep sucking them
>>13819669
well I'm not even the anon that he replied to
>>13819707
I pity him for tryharding his tough guy act this hard.

>>13819532
Imagine using YT dislikes on a video that is posted on a secondary channel as proof.

>>13819248
that's actually pretty good for the vtubers, absolutely shaft for the company imo as they have no choice really but to stand by the vtubers even if its wrong and shafts everyone outside.

>>13819532
> actual dislike numbers
either this is a shit edit or youtube has shit coding wtf
i could also believe someone on nux's side posted

>Vshitshow simps seething that a cringe anituber still got the last laugh after countering their 1v10 cancel culture dogpile with receipts and forcing them to apologize for acting like gigacunts
Unprofessional, just like their oshis and their black company.

>shut up Nux simp
I have no horse in this race, I'm just a HoloChad laughing at ALL of you.

>>13819797
>that's actually pretty good for the vtubers
Yes and no because they can start unnecessary drama every other day. Other than that yeah you're right it sucks for the company because they can's just simply say
>yeah it's not our fault it's the girls fault lol

>>13819937
literally just google for a chrome extension, simple as

>>13815761
>hes persona and personality are cringe
How is that any different from VShojo?

>>13820132
>I have no horse in this race
Same desu. I really don't know what to make of any of this shitshow. I've never liked Nux so seeing him get blasted is kinda funny

>>13820274
wtf it's real

>>13820309
Until they close the API on December 19th

>>13819937
It's a video posted on Nux's 2nd channel, and it was posted less than 12 hours ago. Only the angriest simp would go out of their way to dislike a video right as he posts it.

Moral of the story: 'tard wrangle the menhera pink cat to avoid future embarrassment.

>>13820508
and how should Nux avoid future embarrassment?

>>13820548
By closing his channel

>>13820548
Picking up a job as a cashier.

>>13820548
he needs to lose the whole "chaotic good antihero" shit and then unfuck himself

>>13820548
He could start by changing that fucking awful design.

>>13817948
God damn, his apology was more sincere than half the vshojo crew. He didn;t even do anything wrong besides being a jew. I mean, let's be real here, shit's pretty criminal. But what some of those girls did to him was downright monstrous.

pink cat made iornmouse emotionally distressed

>>13821058
>He didn;t even do anything wrong
>besides being a jew
I agree with that, but he was being a dumbass. He really loves his fabricated anti-hero persona so much that it made him a fucking a retard.

>>13820298
because summing up 10 people as cringe just because theyre under the same banner is cringe.
their content isnt offensive to me and it doesnt come off as try hard like nux's personality.
the way they present themselves doesnt invoke a cringe response.
if nux's content was him playing a character and was actually a different person otherwise i wouldnt find him cringe, i wouldnt like his content but at least id feel like hed be self aware.
the lack of self awareness on top of trying to be ironic is comes off as tryhard and i dont like it.

>>13820548
Aside from his "content", which there's basically no saving because that's just his style, he should only collab with indies going forward.
Avoid Vshojo like the plague since a sizable chunk of them have always hated his guts.

how hard do you think Pink Cat is crying right now?

>>13821403
not as much as mousey is right now.
also, it's obvious who the "friend" is

If what you're listening tonight doesn't remove something inside you, man just go and kys

>>13802246
what the actual fuck
KEK

Yeah the way they posted a statement then reneged on it twice... so good. The best thing management can do is flip flop publicly.

>>13821403
Why would she be crying? She got this shit off her chest, the other girls finally said the quiet part out loud with regards to Nux's bullshit, and he's unlikely to fuck with them again. She was done crying like two days ago.

>>13821403
Nyanners? Crying? She's fucking pissed that Twitter came to the support of Nux, instead of sending him to cancel hell like Arcadum.

>>13821651
She’s crying because 100% she’s the friend who couldn’t sleep at night a 4am. She’s had a bad history of doxxers and stalkers online.

>>13821845
Ah, fair enough.

Based god supports the pink cat. Sorry nuxfags, it's over.
https://twitter.com/LILBTHEBASEDGOD/status/1465002320492580868

>>13822027
NOOOOOOOOOOO!!

>>13822027
Who?

>>13822027
Makes sense, basedgod made a rap song with ff10 music

https://youtu.be/5P6-V7J5S-0

>>13822027
lmfao bro what even

>>13798704
>ironmouse goes live with her public apology
>don't clip this stream
>don't save this stream
>don't talk about this stream
S-she was supposed to be the good one, bros...

>>13822231
have the courage and hang yourself

>>13798704
VShojo is the only entity in this entire debacle that fucked up. They gave conflicting information to everyone involved and forced everyone's hands in order to protect the company image.
They lied to Nux
They lied to the girls
They lied to everyone.

This is the kind of bullshit that makes it really hard for me to stay interested in this community. all of these predatory, controlling "Talent Agencies" that fuck up people's lives with the drop of a hat in an industry that anyone should be able to rise in on their own.
Its the same shit with hololive and all of their debacles.
Its always the agencies.

https://twitter.com/zentreya/status/1465493497012801539

>>13822408
Yeah, Ironmouse pretty much confirmed that management was the one that's being incompetent. Obviously Nyanners overstepped their boundaries and sperged out but for the most part all that management did was to ask them to : 1- don't talk to Nux 2- Do nothing, no streams, no nothing we will take care of everything :) And then they did nothing, the whole thing got solved basically because of the girls actually talked with Nux about the whole debacle, and now they're in good terms.

>The girls were ORDERED to keep quiet and keep streaming as if nothing was wrong
>Yet Vshojo couldn't just straight up tell Nux not to post the video
What the fuck is up with their management?

>>13822408
Nijisanji right now just fired more than 50 livers btw.

>>13822633
they didn't tell them not to stream, they told them to pretend the ordeal wasn't happening
but yes vshojo management is the pinnacle of retardation, hope people get fired after this

>>13822636
Why would Vshojo be able to tell someone unaffiliated with them not to post a video on their channel?

>>13822408
Ironmouse outright said management told her to not say anything and let them handle it while she was watching them completely and utterly fail at handling it. Vshojo management is retarded, I don't know shit else about the rest of them besides Nyanners is a cunny connoisseur in denial and Projekt Melody has a pussy, but that's the most I've taken from this scandal.

>>13822524
This is an appropriate response. It's a shame certain other people feel more like an apology had to be coaxed out of them.

wtf I can't believe coffee whore is based

>>13822408
What the fuck does Vshojo even do anyway? The girls pay for their own models and everything right, so what's even the point of the company?

>>13822633
I thought the girls were busy slandering him. Do they even have proofs that they really talked to him?

>>13822831
>>13822231
Where?

>>13822851
Obviously they dont want to apologize, they just dont want to make the situation worse, because if they say what they really feel about this greasy jew then the internet is going to hatemob him

>>13822873
Handle sponsorships, Merch, etc.

>>13822906
her current stream. she's been basically shitting on management since the stream started

>>13822937
also collaborations like this one with VILLS, etc

>>13822939
It's a shame that she can't really shit on them that hard, due to both the concert and the hololive collab happening real soon.

>>13822906
Her current stream, it's going to get deleted though so you better archive it yourself or look for download links later.

i feel bad knowing the girls were having such a bad time for a long time while i was watching their streamings, without knowing shit.

makes me feel powerless and it sucks

>>13822827
I know they can't make him, but what I mean is that they could've been more clear to him about not wanting the video posted and why instead of being vague and trying to suggest edits as if they're fine with the video existing at all. They should've flat out stated they don't endorse this video being made at all.

>>13820548
This would imply Nux did something wrong.

>He should've taken down the video when he was asked to!!!
1. He is not obligated to the whims of the talents. He's his own fag jew. If he wants to upload a video about a phishing scam he has all the right to. This does not make it wrong.
2. He himself was a victim of this. So he has more of a direct link to vshojo themselves. No, just believing you're in danger does not mean you're in danger. This does not make it wrong If those fags wanted to dox the girls they would have already.

>H-him posting the video will reveal their secret investigation!!
Vshojo took down one of their domains a few months ago. So, they already knew what was up. Vshojo or Nux releasing a PSA on the scam does not "compromise" the investigation anymore than it has already done. This would only benefit future individuals who may or could have to deal with if put in a similar situation. If looked at every angle except vshojo's. Whether it's the angle of Nux himself, Individuals who were doxxed, or the public. It's very clear that Nux is wholeheartedly in the right.

>N-N-Nux never actually caught the guy!
The video of that roblox underaged guy? If it was really him he'd show some proof, or better yet actually go scorched earth on Nux and Vshojo for trying to appehend his sick hacking skillz. What merciless funposting swatter not go all in on his flex. As it stands, there's no way to confirm that it is or it isn't him. These people who try to cash in on fame crop up a lot, though. So, I'm inclined to believe it's not him, simply based on experience with watching others of his type come onto a scene. I won't fault you if you want to believe it, though.

>H-h-h-he's a a clout chasing jew faggot who makes clickbait videos!! He's scum!
A sad realization, but ultimately irrelevant to the situation at hand. His actions directly supports others who have been and future victims of the debacle. In comparison to vshojo and co's actions, he's showing to be a lot better. In fact let's look at what they did.
Vshojo Mnagement - Complete lack of communication and incompetence.
Pink Cat - Coordinating a full on company wide assault onto 1 jew. Egged on hate for as long as she could until Nux dropped the details.
Melody - Backstabbing him, even while being in the call. Practically gave the go ahead. Dogpiling with the company and egged onhate for as long as she could. It's like she was just being willfully ignorant to it all. Like she thought to herself the truth wouldn't come to life.
Mousey - Dogpiling with the Company
Silvervale - Dogpiling with the company, still at this moment only gave a tongue and cheek apology about her cake stealing thanksgiving (Based, but it's still puts things into perspective. Atleast she can stick to her guns and not apologizing even if she's in the wrong).
Froot - Dogpiling with the company, egged on hate for as long as she could.
Zen - Dogpiliing with the company, egged on hate for as long as she could.
Hime - Dogpiling with the company.
Vei - Dogpiling with the company, egged on the hate train the hardest. She was really dragging this man through fucking everything. Publicly, she was the worst one in it all.
Snuffy - Not a member, but good for context since she's so close. She posted an irrelevant resolved situation, in order to perpetuate that Nux was a disgusting faggot jew. It revealed to everyone with a brain that she was indeed someone who held grudges despite saying she didn't in her own DM. SAD! Of course, dogpiling with the company and egged on hate while she could too.

It seems as though for Nux not to be embarrased by a company out to get his ass, he needs to stop hanging out with people who aren't his friends. Vei, Nyanners, and Mel can't even be bothered to publicly say, "I'm sorry, Nux. I shouldn't have dragged you through the mud like that". Instead, they put out shitty PR statements saying they could've done things differently and clarifying that they apologized privately. The only thing this shit implies is that they don't actually believe they were in the wrong. Obviously we can't just trust private apologies. Look how trusting someone's word behind the scenes did for Nux. He got ripped apart by someone who had already said they were cool. I'll say it one more time. Don't put your trust in these whore man. They're only going to make you look stupid.

>>13823056
Don't worry about it anon. You can't worry about things you can't control.

>>13823018
>she can't really shit on them that hard
I don't know, she has been pretty much doing that, short of literally outright saying "wow management is fucking incompetent and the whole reason this drama broke out"

>>13823087
i'm not reading, go touch grass and stop defending trash on the internet fag

>>13823056
It's not like you could've done anything if you'd known.

what the fuck is going on with the traffic?

>>13823186
IDK shooting management would have solved the entire thing.

>>13823102
you're right, I just can't stop thinking about how they make me feel better on bad days and how we as audience can't do much.

parasocial relationship shit i guess

>>13822827
Simply say that they can't stop him, but he shouldn't post that video. Furthermore, once the video got uploaded, they can simply denounce their collaboration with Nux, instead of giving flip-flop statements.

>>13823238
feeling bad for them isn't being parasocial, it's called being a person with empathy and emotions

>>13821181
how so?

>>13823106
yea she's pretty much following general consensus that vshojo fumbled the bag, but wasn't malicious or anything

>>13823064
>They should've flat out stated they don't endorse this video being made at all.
They should have, but you have to understand why they didn't, because he's a public figure (and a troll) and they don't want to create any drama

>>13823446
>and they don't want to create any drama
Welp

>>13822524
Respect where it's due, it takes a real man to own up to their mistakes.

>>13805044
I know you're a /pol/nigger and this might be hard for you to understand but hear me out: She grew up and her opinions changed.

>>13823480
That was their intention. obviously it backfired, it would be a lot better for them now if they just had some balls and said it instead of trying to be agreeable

>>13823446
>but you have to understand why they didn't
>proceeds to explain why he doesn't understand why they didn't
Nigga, Vshojo's a Hydra where every head speaks a different language. Miscommunication is the only language they've known since day one.

>>13802246
I knew exactly what this would be before I read it.

>>13823544
>Vshojo's a Hydra where every head speaks a different language
Otherwise know as a "a group of people"

>>13823518
nah she still acts like a dumb tumblrette, she's just gone corporate.

fuck her

>>13823254
That sounds like a good way for Mouse to get 270 death threats instead of 27. It's not just Nux they're dealing with - it's Nux's fanbase. That's who they're having to apologize to in public. That's the volatile factor VShojo screwed up with. It's like the West Taiwanese.

>>13823620
is not that hard don't wanna fuck kids

>>13823531
Hopefully they learn for the future that they need to put their foot down on shit like this and nip it in the bud.

>>13822633
I think Nyanners going apeshit for a minute there is warranted considering that her life and livelihood were at risk.
Ironmouse also brought up how much stress this caused all of the girls involved. The amount of pressure the girls were under and the contradictory details definitely had a huge role in getting nyanners to act out like she did. Nux also loves to cause mild drama for the sake of content and friendly harrassment so its also likely he was on her last nerve already considering she isnt the most level headed on a good day.

Vshojo could and should have acted much faster and publicly to protect their members. Nux releasing a video didnt make them any more likely to be targeted because doxxers and swatters dont operate on this logic. They were still acting when everything was a secret and hurting people who weren't in on it.

Now that the light came out Vshojo staff whipped up the drama to spin it as Nux's fault and tried to pit their stressed out members against the idea that it was the agency's fault

>>13822720
predatory. that is the only way I can see the whole agency world.

>>13822772
this is worse to me. They made all of these girls continue to work and act like nothing was happening while some asshole was collecting their personal data and targeting young ignorant creators. If they were told to stop streaming they would not only be allowed to work on their mental health and privacy, but also there would be a public sign that something was up which could have informed people and help them.

>>13822873
They are a predatory device built to make young content creators feel like they need them in order to get big. They help you get more notice at the cost of all of your online rights and friendships. If all of the Vshojo girls quit right now the company would implode and the girls would be able to move on just fine aside from whatever legal tape that the snakes made them sign to get in.

How many Vtubers can agencies fuck over before the viewers move on to just supporting the streamers themselves?

I still think Nux is a dumbass but I've been convinced now, Vshojo management were the real villains here.

>>13823752
bitch idc about the loli crap, i don't trust anyone who supported gamerghazi

>>13822408
isnt that what vei said about hololive last year?
of course fucked up saying it but still

>>13805044
dont you bitches always complain when people get canceled for saying dumb shit 20 years ago online?

I wouldnt want to publically associate with people like you either. As a public figure I would gladly change my image to avoid being associated with people like you.

>>13823968
we've known this since they started and said
>you can't retweet porn
>by the way watch projekt melody get naked on chaturbate

People were saying the girls need to be held on a tighter leash but if anything it's the other way around, they need to whip their managers into shape.

>>13823516
kek

>>13815761
>dox
So who was actually doxxed? was it nyanners? was it someone else? or multiple?

mouse makes it sound like theyve been dealing with it for months, and nyanners post from her discord makes it sound like its her and another

>>13823516
nice one, my dad would have laught at that transphobic joke anon

>>13824085
I dont know anything about that, but hololive is even worse than Vshojo. I actually thought for a while that Vshojo might be a "good" hololive alternative because all of the girls seem like they get to act like themselves and have unique avatars and talk like internet people instead of tiny single innocent waifs or whatever, but obviously they are pulling nefarious shit behind the curtains too.

>>13822866
fefe is the closest thing to being a real whore of any vtuber normally but the fact shes sucking nux's dick in both ways makes her the omega whore

>>13824293
It's not so much nefarious as it is amateur imo

>>13823677
Except that all the bitches decided to group cancel almost simultaneously. Ironmouse simply could just said nothing, and all the nuxsimps would avoid her.

>>13823968
There is someone from the company apparently trying to control? The girl's statement from what Mouse is saying. " I didn't say anything I wasn't supposed to say, am I going to be in trouble? Probably, but I'm going to delete the vod so that person doesn't see it"

>>13824139
>you can't retweet porn
this isn't a real rule, it was literally a suggestion since sponsors are less likely to want to partner with them if their timeline is full of porn

>>13823821
>before the viewers move on to just supporting the streamers themselves?
That's sort of why vshojo is nice though, because you are still supporting the streamer instead of the company. If I threw $10 at Mouse right now she would get all of it, no 70% cut or anything.
The management did fuck this one up pretty hard. A reminder of how inexperienced they are was a nice one year anniversary gift.

>>13822720
Explain.

>>13824376
being an amateur in control of people's livelihoods and personal safety is pretty nefarious. When an inexperienced surgeon fucks up they dont just call them an amateur and move on. maybe i am using exaggerated words but the amount of control and pressure they are putting on the girls is fucked up

>>13824544
both of vshojo's founders have been watching the stream since it started, so I don't think she's talking about someone in management or in any actual risk

>>13824544
This is what all the agencies do. Vshojo was controlling them to make them never bring it up at all before Nux brought it up even though real people were giving this person their personal info and Vshojo knew it and said nothing

>>13823821
Am I going to sound like a fag here but, if Nyanners has been in 4chin since 2011 why did she get so spooked about some Brazilian kids phishing people? I understand bubble people like Mouse or mega normies like Mel overreacting, but an oldfag like her should have known better.

>>13824293
remember anon, theres no ethical consummation under capitalism so dont worry too much about whose morally better.
>>13824414
replace cancel with attacked, because honestly its almost impossible to actual cancel anyone, especially if theyre just a careless asshole.
the only influencers who get truly cancelled are those who actually committed crimes and get jail time

>>13823518
Using your influence over your paypigs to attempt to ruin the career of someone who called you a friend over petty is misunderstandings and then throw a tantrum when your ploy doesn't go your way is hardly what anyone would call a well adjusted reasonable adult woman.

>>13824722
It sounded like from mouse and nyan's post that it was nyan AND someone else being doxxed, but i dont know for sure

>>13824139
Frankly, she's dead by corpo to me once she quit stripping on the internet.

>>13824596
They wouldnt dare yell at her on her stream. They will wait until she goes offline and then DM her and make her issue an apology or a new statement to make them look better.

Other agencies would fire a girl for this stream but we will have to see if they will be that extreme.

They arent watching to defend her. Her bosses are not her friends just like any other boss.

>>13824557
Yeah, the only way you don't support them is by buying merch. That's the only way management gets money. When that's in exchange for keeping a lawyer handy and arranging collabs with people overseas… sounds like a pretty sweet deal for the talent. Until it backfires.

>>13824722
They didn't really give any info on the doxxing they were already working against before the incident that got nux involved
Nyanners response to this makes me think it must have been pretty serious

>>13824722
she has a history with people doxxing her so the mental trauma makes her more likely to get pissed at the topic then most.

>>13824739
Nothing about this ever looked like anyone trying to cancel anyone to me
That only happens when someone is a rapist or a pedo etc
This was always just going to end with apologies whichever way it shook out

>>13824813
i mean if they were to act like managers they wouldve dm'd her to tone it down if they werent okay with it.

>>13824853
>makes me think it must have been pretty serious
randoms on the internet want to physically hurt your family bcs they hate you for standing up for what you think is right, and change as a person

yeah pretty fucked up

>>13824813
you're missing the point. while mowtendoo does occasionally pop up on her streams, gunrun rarely ever shows up, and both of them at once here since the literal start basically implies that mouse told them she was going to comment on the subject before going live
moreover, of course they wouldn't type it in her twitch chat or anything of the sort but they would just message her directly. she wouldn't have to say it out loud, just slowly back away from the topic and no one would notice or mind. there have been other instances of this happening before, albeit obviously for different subjects (nearly spoiling reveals prior to them happening and the sort)

>>13824782
Feels like for the girls to go this nuclear it would be about one of the newer girls to the internet rather than just nyan

my money is on silver or froot or vei

>>13824853
>>13824722
Nyanners already got doxxed back in 2012 and she and her family were harassed for years by a particular group of autists from ED as a result of it.
Earlier this year someone, probably the BR they've been after who was doing this new phishing thing, started spreading her doxx around again, and it sounds like she started receiving harassment again as a result.

>>13824947
It sounded like a more widespread problem than just pink cat antis, but yeah that's bad enough on it's own

>>13825078
>by a particular group of autists from ED as a result of it.
how are those fuckers still alive?

>>13824722
Nyanners was one of the people who got doxxed. All of her info was on the scammer's websites. People regularly talk about wanting to kill/rape/torture her here.

also this is basically a dream job for people like her and it was at risk here. Her place of employment was involved in something that was risking the lives of herself and many other girls both big and small.

Also she clearly never liked Nux

>>13824739
I think thats a weak way to try and take the pressure off of you as a consumer. No method of consumption is totally ethically right but there are better places to support and there should be standards demanded by consumers.

I should be motivated to support people and businesses that treat the environment and their staff as well as they are capable in their position.
To that end I would never donate or subscribe o someone hired by an agency that isnt treating their staff right when my money could be better used by a self employed streamer who has autonomy.

>>13825189
>I should be motivated to support people and businesses that treat the environment and their staff as well as they are capable in their position.
that doesn't exist.

>>13824947
If you think the doxxers give a fuck about her tumblr post you're naive, given that she was already being harassed for years before that ever happened and the harassment was one of the reasons she tried to distance herself from 4chan to begin with.

so if vshojo got doxxed a bunch that means zentreya being a man is out and public now right

>>13825189
Froot's DMs to Nux make it sound like she was also being doxxed

Can anyone vouch for Mel doing Patreon that day? This should be easy enough to confirm.

>>13824787
When Digi was threatening to dox Mel, over a money dispute Nux was the one who saved her ass by threatening to do the same to Digi if he did doxxed Mel. She of course was one of the first ones to stab Nux on the back.

>>13825189
Well the girls say Vshojo doesn't take a cut of subs, donos etc
Just don't buy merch as that's what (people speculate) they do take a cut of

>Doxxers spread Nyanners' doxx everywhere to invite as much harassment as possible
>People speculating that other girls might also have been doxxed but no one knows who
Don't you think that it would be rather obvious who had been doxxed, if anyone, given that the doxxers would be trying to spread it around everywhere to harass them?

>>13823087
i hope for your sake that that was copypasta, because no one is reading it. You are embarrassing yourself. Nux still won't fuck you.

>>13825325
Explain.

>>13825811
>>13825078

>>13823518
>She grew up and her opinions changed.
She doesn't have her own opinions retard. She spews whatever opinion the group currently giving her the most attention wants to hear.

Question, can Vshojo even force Mouse to graduate? She's talking like they can, but she owns the rights to "Ironmouse" right?

>>13825862
stop proyecting anon

>>13825943
yep, they can't do shit about it

>>13824928
They are aware that their image is tainted here. The entire chat was cheering her on and she was clearly emotional and expressing herself without stopping to think. If they got in the way there would be even more anti vshojo shit

>>13824962
I was there at the start of her stream. the whole thing started pretty randomly when brought up by a commenter. Someone probably told them what was happening so they joined in to see what she said.

also, for all we know they might have told her to back off here and she either did and went back in (which she did do a couple times) or she ignored it because she is emotional and wants to get it out.

They could also be collecting their thoughts on this in order to spin this back to her in a way that makes it sound like they arent so bad and manipulate her into feeling bad about saying anything.

>>13825300
I literally listed one in my reply. An independent buisness/creator/artist supports only their own lives with their money and doesnt have to take advantage of other people to make money. The people behind agencies need their talents more than they need the agency.

Its not all or nothing. Youre just saying "well if there is no perfect completely morally and environmentally sound buisness then I should be able to support the companies that commit literal war crimes or make their products in child labor camps in other countries". fucking stupid fakesmart bullshit.

A self employed creator might not have the means to create elaborate productions or use perfectly green sources of energy/material, but they also dont profit directly off of the labor and personality of other people that they hire to work for them. Plus there are also companies out there that fairly pay their employees and give them the support they need to live and succeed in their own ways.

>>13825649
that's good to know if true, and I did not know that. I wouldnt make a choice to dono or sub to them without knowing that because I would rather my money go directly to the entertainment instead of the two douchebags who wrangle them, especially knowing they arent running a good business

>>13825449
its possible. I dont know all of the details myself and I am not an insider or anything.

was hanging out in the flamencotv chat after covering the nux drama and afterward some sperg out about vshojo being full of 'satanic demons' and i think that was the cute to stop giving a shit about this drama

>>13825189
FlamencoTV mentioned Nyanners has a big part in Vshojo management, which would explain why its such an incompetent shitshow.

>>13825976
It doesn't matter if it's projecting if it's still true.

>>13826160
FlamencoTV must not know shit, then.

>>13826160
>>13826114
Literally who?

>>13826164
>it's works like this for me so it must work like this for everyone
get the fuck out of this board you fucking retard

>>13826160
She doesn't, Ironmouse just said that Nyan's just a member like the rest of them and doesn't know where people are getting the idea she's a manager.

>>13826277
make me, faggot

>>13826234
if you heard his voice and your reaction was, "this sounds like a serious and well-informed gentleman," you are beyond any help.

>>13823131
>>13825776
If this is all you can say then I simply don't feel bad. You'd rather not look at all if what is being handed to you is not lies and misinformation, but the truth. It's not my fault I can look at the situation and see a fag getting ripped apart by some banshees. Well, some of them actually did good apologies. I think what's worse is that Nux will be looked at as if he did something wrong. He was gaslit by an entire company all for their bottom line. Then, they took the opportunity to air out their grievances because the situation was able to let them. There's a reason ever dramafag on Youtube who's looking at this and saying to their audiences, "Why the fuck would Vshojo do this?". Because when you're not looking at this like a white knight, the situation just looks fucked.

>>13826325
cool, that means she can graduate

>>13826558
still not reading

>>13826558
Ye, cuz he did something wrong.

>>13826694
State exactly what he did wrong. I'll wait.

>>13826558
>Nux will be looked at as if he did something wrong.
He did, just because Vshojo were retarded doesn't mean he wasn't.

>>13826558
gotta recognize,
some of y'all take pride on your dick sucking skills

>>13825512
Nah, she straight up left everyone hanging with no word.

>>13826160
sounds more like people coming up with random reasons to hate her

>>13825943
Probably would just quietly pull her from the sponsored collabs.

>>13826722
he was cringe

>>13826160
That's the dumbest rrat yet
The Nyanager

>>13826558
communicate better, and people will take you more seriously. then you can start to work on the moronic content of what you're saying, but that's further down the road. First, people actually have to listen to you.

So at this point, who are the remaining Vshojo members who haven't posted public apologies yet?

>>13827430
Based silver

>>13827430
Silver, Mel, and Hime as far as I know.
Nyanners and Vei publicly apologized, but everyone except for the simps knows that it was a just a publicity stunt and not an actual apology.

>>13826043
Mowtendoo is in the stream so he would've stopped her if she said something bad.

>>13827567
they seemed sincere that they didnt expect their massive simp armies to harass/send death threats to nux, so its fine to say sorry for that

vei/nyan/others don't and shouldn't apologize for calling him out as using friendships for content and doing scummy shit like the snuffy things

what people are seeing as "two faced" seems to mostly be them misunderstanding the two things

I respect Mouse having the balls to call out management fucking up. Though I do question the notion of doing it after Nux put up his video trying to calm everyone down and lay it to rest.

>>13827829
She called out her management for fucking up by repeatedly apologizing, saying how good of a person nuxtaku is, and took on all the blame onto herself for not listening to them?

>>13800910
Ok Nyanners.

>>13817472
>most of youtube
Drama and commentary channels aren't most of youtube.

>>13829066
>most of who on youtube is actually commentating on this in any way
The qualifier is implied.

>>13820508
It's weird that Nyanners is continually blamed for this when she has no power over the rest of them and Froot and now Mouse on stream have both said they told him separately they didn't want the video up for their own safety, privately before anything went onto twitter and before nyanners said anything in her private channel.