/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>13749405
The numbers speak for themselves.

>>13749405
how can jp whores even compete? are they even trying?

I guess if the canadian paypigs get her subs up and beat Pekora.

Goes to show you that you need more than CCV to get gud.

I'm surprised that the rest of Myth isn’t there. Your target audience is so much bigger and you're losing to folks that can only speak japanese? Ame, Kiara, Ina, wtf happened?

Just because something is popular does not mean something is good. That being said, it might have to do with the fact that the market for English speaking V-tuber fans is much larger than the Japanese one.

She also might genuinely be better than Pekora, not that I watch either of them.

>>13749405
Subs don't matter much if you're pulling big live viewrs but Pegor is dumb and thinks otherwise so expect her to go full numberfag and spam buff games just to regain her position as the 2nd most subbed.

>>13749405
Now post CCVs.

She also releases more original music and has done more cover collabs than any one singular hololive member so yes. It's not hard to see, even if she gets less views on her streams, though they have improved much more than her previous output. Still hasn't followed up on any of the collab streams she said she would which people seem to forget about.

>>13749405
Slowchama...that happened several weeks ago.
Her last few months were pretty strong (I think she streamed around 110-115 hours in November?) and her music acts as a magnet for new followers (a lot of people subscribe just for music, not to watch streams).
Also global language buff.
That's all.

>>13749520
JP gets bigger live numbers though. Marine was getting like 60,000 watching pokemans today.

>>13749405
Anon, this is like the 17th time this happened, they keep going back and forth.

I can't speak as to whether she is good or not because I don't watch her that much and I don't listen to her music, but she seems to be enjoying streaming now more than she did before. The HoloDeath collabs were good and she's clearly had a lot of fun with Earthbound and Pokémon.
Other than that, global language buff. People will naturally gravitate towards people they can actually understand.
In the end though, it's CCV and SC that matters, not subs. Gura has 3.62 million subs and extremely few of her VODs reach over 1 million views...so she has over 2 million dead subs, at the very least. Only retards and shitposters actually care about number of subs.

just another hololive numberfag thread

>>13749746
>She also releases more original music
No shit, talking over a beat takes very little effort compared to actual music production.

>>13750476
Cope and seethe retard.

I don't really care, but somehow it make me happy because I know by fact that pekora must be seething over this.

Mori has really turned it around these last few months. She finally discovered her passion for streaming and it absolutely fucking shows.

>>13749405
she has an entertaining life to say the least, and it's a joy to listen.

>>13749405
subs don't matter except for getting a plate with your name on it from youtube. views, memberships and SCs do

>>13749405
>Mori passes Pekora
>Marine's about to pass Korone
I don't get the big fucking deal about a cringe rap dyke and a fetish obsessed hag.

>>13749405
Watch La+ overtaking them in a few months

>>13751733
Why are nousagi like this?

>>13751733
Why are Koronesukis like this?

>>13749405
Mori is more for her music
More people watch Pekora live than any chuuba on earth consistently
This is also like the 20th time this has happened

That's impressive. Good for her.

>>13751733
Why are deadbeats like this?

>>13749405
no.

>>13749702
CCV means nothing since it's a Japanese (all in one timezone) vs English (international, spread all over the world) audience.

>>13749405
Still not as many subs as Nux.

>>13756413
That's cause kids and normies flock over to Nux like every other dramafag

>>13749405
She sounds like shes not having any fun during any of her streams when its not singing. Song's are a big buff.

Mori fucking sucks and white women who rap deserve the chair

>>13749576
Ame is in 7th right after Fubuki.
Ina and Kiara are together forever in numbers, but are both doing over 1m so can't exactly be called failures.

Mori has had some of her best content in recent weeks. She finally finished her Doom Eternal playthrough that she started right after her debut, asserting her improvement in these types of games. Her Jump King streams made for great talking streams and impromptu collabs with EN peers that almost had a podcast quality to it. Her playthrough of Earthbound appealed to the retro obsessed boomers who drove a lot of people to start watching vtubers like Korone in the first place (who incidentally was one of the first JP senpais that she made a connection with). Today she finally finished her Nuzlocke, which was probably the most entertaining stream of BDSP that anyone's done. On top of that, her music is still pretty catchy, JPs have always thought she was cool, and she still likes to make fun unique content like themed cooking streams, the TTRPG campaign, and pet/room review collabs.
Not even a deadbrap but anyone surprised about her growth hasn't been paying attention, she clearly loves this gig more than ever before. You can tell just by listening to her that she's loosened up personality-wise and isn't constantly trying to push an "I'm too good for this" poser attitude. She's got the qualities of a mood maker that the best JP holochuubas have gotten to exhibit for a longer time and which EN usually does to more mixed results.

>>13756817
Yeah, i noticed that too...People usually sub her for the music tho...

>>13757032
Yet she can't muster 20k ccv easily like Subaru or miko and got shit sponsorship unlike the jp counterparts despite living on jps

>>13757032
>Not even a deadbrap
Sure lol

>>13749405
She's my oshi but I also really like Pekora
Pekkers is masterclass in streaming, Mori still has a lot to learn
The music is most definitely helping her

Music subs and course and she's also buckled down and made herself into a respectable streamer in the last few months. Instead of having a flakey erratic schedule and streaming kusoge no one cares about she's found a way to play games she enjoys (even Minecraft occasionally) while being entertaining for the audience.

>>13749405
Yes, I doubted her at first but watching her play Jump King and Earthbound was comfy.

>>13757145
Your English rep ESL-chama...

>>13749405
I'm surprised Gura's growth has been consistent still.

>>13749405
She's gotten a lot better, now days she's chill as fuck and actually comfy to tune in from time to time. I don't watch her often but when I do, all that goes through my mind is how good she's gotten at this.

>>13749932
youtube stopped counting live viewers from western countries.

>>13755565
CCV (and memberships) are the only relevant metric. Yes even more relevant than SC.

>>13758404
t. Pekora

>>13749405
Better than Pekora, yeah

>>13749405
It's the world (EOPs) vs. weebs + Japan (JOPs). The more mainstream hololive becomes, the more the numbers will grow for the EN holos. It's just statistics. No need to be mad about that. Actually, it's amazing that Korone and Pekora are able to compete at all.

>>13757376
Pretty much this which credit where credit is due making an original song is not an easy thing that anyone can do and she deserves high subs for that. While her current sub growth has been built upon her consistency with streaming especially her Jumpman streams.
Pekora on the other hands has built her subs almost entirely on her game streams.

Both are pretty big accomplishments that required a ton of work. Also it isn't really a contest. Like if Mori thought Pekora didn't like her because of numbers she would feel really bad like she did with Rushia. And if Pekora found out Mori was worried about Pekora feeling bad she would feel guilty... what I am saying is sorry for spoiling the new Pekora-Mori friendship arc.

>>13749932
Discount Hakui Koyori?

>>13758404
Nice coping mechanism

>>13749405
Maybe because people understand her language

>>13757004
t.deadbeat

>>13756817
Have you watched her first MC endurance stream?

>>13756817
https://youtu.be/gpasMn9CE9w [embed]
https://youtu.be/PESpYmXhBiM [embed]
https://youtu.be/eXcLUe--2mE [embed]

Do any of these sound like she's not having fun?

Wait. There are retards here unironically comparing japanese subscribers with western subscribers?

Why don't other companies try
It's sad to pit holos against each other becuase no competition from the others

Kiryu Coco is still #9?

Aqua is about to overtake her (zhang nut) but she's still in the top 10.

The decline is real. Cover is dead.

>>13762635
At this rate coco is going to pass herself early next year. I'm glad I live in the timeline she still makes chinks eternally seethe even after they "won"

All benefits of speaking the lingua franca. It sucks because it takes so fucking long to learn for a JOP she can't do it.

>>13749405
music buffs her up, she's probably the worst streamer of her gen though especially bad at collabs - makes you wonder why she want's to do them so much it's not like she's better with anitubers.

>>13758404
Now that's some major coping.

>>13749405
Mori is top tier in hololive when it comes to music. Pekora is top tier when it comes to streaming. Both of them have earned the #2 spot but for different reasons. Mori is slightly ahead now but they'll keep exchanging places for a while. I imagine Mori will get a bigger lead after she gets her new outfit, and eventually 3D.

>>13749576
Vtubers were always bigger in Japan and Japanese people are more dedicated to their oshi's that's also a factor.

>>13764282
>she's probably the worst streamer of her gen though
Nah, she's better than Ina and Kiara.

>>13749405
I don't remember the last time I watched any of these.

>>13749405
Remember when all the craze was about Korone? I 'member.

>>13767027
Just like with Miko and Fubuki. They don't have anything to generate hype anymore.

>>13765873

You will never be a woman or get into Hololive

>>13749405
I fucking love TTRPG and watch that shit like a Christian teen that was tricked into thinking if he doesn't memorize the Bible he will be tortured.

>>13764282
Cope

>>13764282
>she's probably the worst streamer of her gen though especially bad at collabs
How??

>>13751613
Does Mori also mog Pekora in SCs?

>>13769615
Doesnt*

>>13749405
Mori is a goddess

>Breaks away from the TakaMori ship
>Her content improves
Does anyone see this?

>>13771019
/u/ was always a mistake

>>13749405
its just globohomo buff.

>>13771019
So TakaMori is what contributed to scheduling issues, tech problems, and shorter streams, anon?

>>13749405
she is weeaboo taylor swift

>>13749405
Those six are the most soulless Holos.

Oh nyoo what will Pekora do when she still mogs Mori in literally every other metric (and almost every other chuuba too).

>>13769615
Superchats for 2021 so far
>Pekora - $781,393
>Mori - $715,500

Average amount per superchat
>Mori - $15
>Pekora - $9

>>13771284
ogey

>>13771413
Nothing, but it does make autists here seethe. There's no need to be so insecure if you don't think that Pekora cares about being #2 in subs, right?

>>13771696
its just a fact. the japanese market is way smaller than the globohomo english market. one hundred million people vs more than 1 billion people.

>>13771621
Still closer than you would expect

>>13749405
Who cares? They're both shit.

Pekora has been the #1 holo for a year and will probably still be a year from now. You guys have been seething about this and living in denial since November last year.
Wake up and smell the roses.

>>13771872
If Mori streamed as much as Pekora from the beginning she would have more superchats for this year than her, but she only started streaming this much recently. We'll see if she can keep up this pace for the coming months.

JP get more live views than EN with the same subs because most of the JP fans are neets. EN fans (especially deadbeats who probably have an average age in the late 20s, one of the oldest holo fanbases) have jobs and can't catch every stream.

>>13749405
Unironically Trash Taste

>>13772209
Pekora doesn't do SC reading so it evens out. For comparison see someone like Lamy who massively mogs every single EN and Pekora in SC.

>>13758404
Pekora get off /vt/ it’s not good for you

>>13749405
tourists from her music
it's really hard to become a better streamer than pekora tbf

>>13749405
>/a/ - the popular anime is shit for normalfags
>/v/ - popular games are shit for normalfags
>/tv - popular movies are shit for normalfags
>/vt/- OMG look how popular they are, must be the best, right fellow anons?!
Sorry, too busy actually watching live streams of girls I enjoy instead of meme-tier livers people just want to hear say "a" again

Its safe to say that Mori really upped her streaming game the half part of this year. She quit her roommate activities and went headfirst into being the best holo streamer she can be, and her numbers are showing. She's been streaming the most out of EN, comes out with a song/cover every month, (sometimes multiple songs) has been doing collabs with both EN and JP members, etc etc. She's been really putting in the work and I think the numbers really show it. I'm a teamate, but man I'm proud of her.

>>13774174
Mori putting off her roommate activities is real sore point for me, though. I suppose it's for the best until a couple years from now or somehow finds a(n unlikely) way to manage both personas.

>>13749405
If you don't learn English you'll get left behind.

>>13772210
Why don't EN fans use the money from their jobs to give them more superchats?

>>13767086
You will always be a redditor.

>>13761340
yes

>>13749405
>the coalburner passed an actual decent vtuber
there is no justice in this world
I hate americans so much

>>13774361
As much as I enjoy her old music, I think her music she's creating right now is the better evolution of her previous path. She's been able to collab with larger producing/mixing talents and ultimately lets her focus on the lyrics and her vocal skills for her songs versus having to do almost everything herself before. When she's done with hololive and goes off and revives her solo career it'll be different because she'll have more resources than before, but I honestly don't think she's ready for that yet. Her recent success with her music is mostly because of the blend of vocals/rap and her vocals still need more work.

>>13767027
>Her Banjo and English Mario stream was the last time she was relevant.

It hurts bros..

>>13771019
Probably the other way around, once Mori decided to put effort she realized that TakaMori was actually a negative in her life.

>>13774105
You act as if there aren't colonies of numberfags infesting every board

>O MY BD SALES
>O MY VIDEO GAMES SALES CHARTS
>O MY TV RATINGS/BOX OFFICE REVENUE

>>13774834
>she realized that TakaMori was actually a negative in her life.
Of course because it wasn't making Calli improve her content. It was just Kiara screeching about her overbearing yurilust towards Calli. Calli needed to get away from the ship so she can express more of herself rather than being the "Dad" of HoloMyth.

>>13775924
Yeah, it's called coping with shit taste.

>>13749405
my oshi is too strong

>>13775954
It’s ironic you say so because she just greenlit being the dad of vtubers with Ollie a few days ago. The dad issue didn’t begin with TakaMori and it’s still just as present even after the ship’s death.

>>13749405
Mori deserves it, she's way harder working and more talented than Pekora.

>>13749405
I respect Calli's hustle. When Ame started to slow down and lay back, Calli went hard in the paint.

she's got some of the best collabs, with en, jp, and beyond. i used to think her music was pretty cringe, but honestly, i find myself enjoying it now. she's good with community interaction, too. i understand the appeal, even if her character design is lame.

>>13774695
How much longer until korosan returns?

>>13749405
Pink brapper good

>>13749405
Saying Mori is good because of the subcount is like saying that the YT rewind video is great after they removed the dislikes

>>13779531
I love when /vt/ards try to invoke the "Quality =/= quantity" argument but then ruthlessly shit on chuubas who have low numbers
Very funny double think

>>13779951
wow, you completely missed the point

Is it over for Pekora? Mori puts in 6% and she passes Peko easily. Next, Ame will snap out of it and easily take 3rd.

>>13749486
I agree.
There are definitely more westerners who love Black Culture than there are loser weebs who prefer anime bunnygirls.

>>13780006
I didn't miss it, it's ultimately just you coping that a vtuber you don't like has a lot subs
Might as well say Gura, Peko, Korone, Marine, and Ame aren't good either

>>13780163
and that's the point, numbers and related factors don't matter, it's a popularity contest
if you have 100 followers and 90 say your content is great but someone else has 1000 followers and 200 of them says the content is great, you still have 110 more people talking about how great the content that the 1000 followers nigga puts out

>>13775924
Other boards doesn't use those numbers as quality, meanwhile shitting on those series (like capeshit, why do Japan/Murrica have shit taste, etc), meanwhile in /vt/ people literally have numberfagging thread and bringing those numbers every time. Not the same.

>>13780269
You're right you're right, but sadly this place is dominated by fags who think "big numbers = better"
Personally I like Mori and Peko and they both work for the same company so pitting them against each other retarded, I just hope they cuck Kizuna to 3 million

Why do people here act like most of Pekora's viewers are japs? More than half are from other countries, I thought everyone was at least somewhat aware of how popular the Holos are outside of Japan?

>>13780397
for live stuff, half of them are nips, 40% are seaniggers (all you have to do is walk in facebook), the other 10% is a mix of australians

>>13765792
Japanese people also don't sub as easily compared to non-JPs despite it being free on youtube so the other ENs should be doing better.

>>13774510
Nothing wrong with that. moot was a redditor

>>13771306
Then why does she like Kanye?

>>13780397
You're seems so confident about it I'm sure you can provide a reliable source?

>>13782338
Who doesn't like Kanye? He's good.

>>13782529
>Who doesn't like Kanye?
Taylor Swift

>>13756817
Watch her earthbound streams. It's super cute.

>>13758404
VOD views and subs mean way more to advertisers (and to pekora)

>>13774605
her favourite rapper is eminem, niggerbeat. We've been over this. To her you will always just be a coon

>>13774570
then stop projecting yourself

>>13756817
her free styling to pogeymon music was super cute, she sounds deadpan at times but thats because shes unironically autistic

>>13767027
JP's popularity comes and goes, Myth is eternal. Pekora is the current JP queen, but that'll change. Someone else (probably La+) will take the throne of JP, but Myth will just zip past them all anyway. Council is beyond saving though.

>>13749405
>Is she really that good?
No but she's been working hard and it's not like there's much else to watch in HoloEN.

>>13779531
>“uhh you see subcount doesn’t matter because maybe people subscribe to Mori because they actually hate her”

This is literally your argument

>>13794010
lol eops really have no idea about the jp industry. pekora miko korone marine became this popular because they werent so nerdy. now subaru is also becoming an ace, but she isnt nerdy either. the gen 6 loli is too fucking animay and nerdy. such straight up otaku vtubers never get popular. same goes for niji jp.

>>13794355
retard

>>13794355
>Korone
>Marine
>not nerdy
lmao

>>13758728
LEARN ENGLISH BEGORA I BEEEEG YAA

>>13758404
this isn't twtich where a streamers can take a break and play ads between (they will warn viewers before do that of course)
on youtube it's about horw to make your vods more watchable to get more ads played

>>13794394
no argument. you amerimutt loli lovers are nothing but vocal minorities, just want to push loli shit. like your trannies only push tranny garbage in every industry

>>13794355
Marine is the biggest nerd

>>13794399
eop dumb nigger. your chink clips dont prove anything. they dont translate any long talks from zatsudan streams.

korone is nowhere near a typical anime nerd. and the main reason marine is popular is she can talk about social topics very well. if she only sperg out about her fujo deslusion and peddled her lewd shit, she would have never been this popular.

>>13749405
She was worse than Pekora until her sub number overtook Pekora

>>13794638
Objectively, arithmetically correct

>>13794455
>amerimutt loli lovers

This is up there with a post I once saw insisting that foot fetishism is a purely American thing as far as the most ludicrous things I’ve seen seething 3rd worlders blame on Americans.

>>13750476
Other than just talking fast over a beat ( its called rap by the way you caveman ) she can actually sings in most of her song. And she got really good at it too.

>>13749405
>negro music
eww

>>13749576
Western audience is mostly deadsubs ans clipfags, they have big numbers, but at the same time they have extremely low retetion. Japanese fans are more dedicated, rich and loyal.

>>13749405
She increased her power level from 5% to 10%. Fear if she increases it further

>>13757376
>Kusoge no-one cares about
You better not be talking about Everhood.

>>13799429
Japanese men are confirmed sexless virgins who are too scared to talk to real women and thus have to spend money on fake ones. Western men spend money on flesh-and-blood whores, which is a shame since vtubers deserve it more than western women

>>13749405
She isn't. Everyone in EN is a leech and literally just took their explosive growth and just sat around for a year and did nothing meaningful.

>>13799429
>Japanese fans are more dedicated, rich and loyal.

This is pure headcanon, especially in regards to Mori and Pekora. Mori actually beats Pek in SC earnings on a per donation and $ per hour streamed basis. The primary reason why JPs mog ENs so hard in livestream average is because their fanbases are 99% centrally located in one country, while EN’s fans are spread out across a billion different timezones

>>13758244
biggest coper on this board right now

Mostly because of the music. Her viewership is lower than Ina's.

>>13800766
Anon are you fucking kidding me? Do you really think the JP holomems have 99% jap fans?

>>13749405
There are 120 million japanese speaking people in the world while there are 3.6 billion that can speak english. That's a 20x potential market difference. I csnt for the life of me understand why these JOP whores hate money by not speaking english.

>>13751283
>>13798280
It's so cute when you pretend hip-hop is music

>>13800886
To be fair Ina's viewership has gotten higher than most of EN.

>>13801130
literally only boomers and actual grand wizard racists think this tho

>>13800886
Oh look, it’s that delusional Tako again that insists Ina is more popular than Mori because she performs slightly better in exactly 1 (one) category. I wish you would post in the Numbersfag thread already so you can see how much your opinion deserves ridicule.

>>13801235
Damn, boomers and racists sound like a based bunch

>>13800977
>Japanese is spoken by more than 120 million people around the world. More than 90% of the Japanese speakers are Japanese people living in Japan.

Coco is the only JP who’s truly ever had a significant presence of non-japanese fans. Pekora’s chat is overwhelmingly moonspeakers.

>>13749405
Good, fuck JP

>>13749596
>market for English speaking V-tuber fans is much larger than the Japanese one
That would explain those tens of thousands of live viewers EN gets.
Oh wait

>>13774695
I wonder why she never finished Banjo? She seemed like she was enjoying it at the time.

'ate anitubers 'ate wiggers 'ate deadbeats
simple as

>>13808052
N64 broke.

Has Gura always had double Mori's subs? I remember Gura hit 1 million the same day Mori reached 500k. I think the same thing happened when they reached 2 million and 1 million.

>>13749405
Still feels weird that Gura is considered #1 when she's raked in less SC money than Mori and Kiara.

>>13808241
Aww man, that fucking sucks.

>>13774695
>DOOM Eternal never ever

I can't stand her voice. She sounds autistic and uncomfortable

>>13749405
The fusion of Calli and Ope is too powerful. Can anyone stop her?

>>13808530
It’s because most of Gura’s fans are penniless zoomers and dysfunctional NEETs while Mori and Kiara attract a large number of working age adults as fans. Appealing to cunny is a two-sided sword.

>>13813409
Kiara and Mori stream a lot. Gura barely ever streams.

>>13814002
Mori streaming a lot is only a recent phenomenon. She was still beating Gura in SCs back when Gura actually streamed more than her.

>>13814372
Mori is increasing her streaming hours recently, but she already stream more frequently than Gura for a long time even back in 2020 iirc.

What happened that made Mori stream so much more recently?

>>13749405
Good or not doesn't matter here, it's that she is by far the most productive of them all to get her name out.

>>13816489
When Mori first joined Hololive, she was working 2 other jobs, and merely viewed it as an avenue to advertise her music. She viewed the streaming part as just an annoying but necessary part of the job but recently realized she actually likes it.