/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>13743469
stfu

>>13743469
This but unironically! Unless cover bring their "tech" to the girls.

COVER RELEASED THE UNICORN VARIANT SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY WERE BEHIND SCHEDULE ON THE 3D MODELS

>>13743469
>Foreign business travelers and students are able to enter Japan.
Why can't they just go and say it's for the business they work for?

>>13743469
They will never get their 3Ds and EOPs will forever seethe.

>>13743469
I love holomyth but if it's such the case than the 6th gen ends up debuting before them i will literally lol.
You can see always how they allocate way less resources than the jp branch.

>>13743469
no one cares & kys cumshart.

I wonder what's so tough in doing 3D debut? Why won't they send girls models, and they won't debut themselves? They should have motion capture tech themselves, otherwise, how the hell they gonna use their 3Ds during usual streams at home?

>>13743669
no all are vaccinated
>Why dont take the vaccine?
because someone has not been vaccinated because of shellfhisness

>>13747933
Kill yourself.

>>13747933
It wouldn't surprise me if Ame was unironically anti-vax.

>>13748124
Watch streams

Can't believe OP didn't receive his 75th booster jab so he can be allowed outside for 10mins/day yet

>>13747558
I doubt they have enough tech to do fullbody 3D at home on the level of the studio. Additionally, Covers 3D runs Unity to do all the scenes and to insert the character into the world. To do at home 3D on the level of the studio 3D, they would not only have to make sure they have all the gear needed, but also the knowhow to setup and run Unity. And at the studio there would be people to push all the buttons, hold handheld cameras etc. The VR chat stuff that EN did is not on the same level.

If EN 3D debuts are not up to the standard of the other 3Ds people would complain like all hell, so they are screwed. Damned if they delay, damned if they don't. From their point of view it's probably better to just have the talents keep doing what they do and wait until they can have a proper 3D debut.

>>13747053
La+ animated intro probably costed more than Cover has spent on HoloEN since beginning

>>13748023
Why? Is the true, if you dont believe you can ask with a SC
>>13748124
It's not her

Good

>>13748270
Anon Council got the same if not more

>>13743469
It should've been called the Xi variant

>>13748409
I meant you should kill yourself for implying refusing the vax is selfish.

>>13748459
Council one looks cheep compared to this one
>>13748504
No when ping pong owns WHO
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/new-covid-variant-called-omicron-not-xi-avoid-offending-chinese/

>>13748616
it is

>>13748684
Just because it looks cheap doesn't mean it is cheap.
Also are you serious?

>>13748409
Don´t tell me it´s because of the fuckin shark again?

>>13748616
it is

>>13748694
>>13748996
You are a slave.

>>13748616
It is tho, without arguing whether the vaccine works or not or whether you should get it or not, any decision made for personal gain (or supposed personal gain) against the will of the majority is selfish

>>13748409
Well it's either Ame or Same. Kiara's a far leftist and Ina isn't brave enough to stand up to any mandates.

>>13743469
jade emperor xi, i kneel.

>>13751744
>kneeling to chinks

>>13751808
hey man i'm grinding points for a designated wife in the future. they already know everyone's IP here in asia.

>>13751399
Your boi isn't very good at innoculations...

>>13748616
Anon its it, but isnt a bad thing bc your health should be the most important and someone have a bad immune system so that someone can get the shot

>>13749352
you are retarded, the only reason people are getting vaccinated is because otherwise they wouldn't be able to go to work, school, or do other shit, not because of >muh kung flu

>>13748616
>a month-long delay of an event by one person that at least 5 people want to make happen isn't selfish

>>13752669
But by caving they're prolonging the bullshit. If no one got it no one could enforce this shit.
>>13752721
It is selfish, but it is the right thing to do. Men tend to be more resistant to the propaganda so if there is a stars en I genuinely think this will happen.

>>13751808
hololive certainly did

>>13748023
Botan already got third shot you dirty EOP

>>13754063
>It is selfish, but it is the right thing to do.
Everyone wants to see them do the 3D debuts. It's probably not very damaging to have delayed it so far, but it's certainly not doing any of them any good. And most of all, Myth wants to and should meet up and offcollab both for personal reasons and for the sake of getting fans to care about their oshi's friends. So how is this right? Keep in mind that any reasoning not related to vtubing is off-topic.

>>13754904
If it must strictly be adherent to "vtubing" I admit you limit me a little, but it's still easily argued against.

Attempting to coax, coerce or otherwise guilt someone into taking an action that that person believes may be against their best interests, either due to risk of death, harm, or simply because they think it to be an ineffective or morally repulsive option would almost certainly cause that person to resent you. If this was done within the company, such as a genmates attempting to pressure an individual or the company itself attempting to mandate it, it would break down trust and any positive relations the talents have amongst themselves, leading to a negative working environment. in effect, you "tete" moments would become no more, and in the case the involved individual was correct in assuming harm to themselves, the potential death of the individual and possible guilt of the other involved parties. This could potentially cause many deaths or graduations, a very bad thing for the fans as well as the company. It would be a safer, though less eventful option to simply allow the individual to make a choice on their own, as an adult, about their own health. If we were to assume it was Gura, as some in this thread seem to, and this were to cause, harm (heart problems, ect), death, or moral upset leading to a graduation, regardless of it's form, that could potentially sink their largest vtuber, a very bad move for the company. Even if it were one of the smaller girls, it would still be a reprehensible act that would surely affect the "unity" of the company and it's employees.

Long explanation but that's the best I can get dancing strictly around the "how does it affect their vtubing" point.

>>13748219
The alternative is to try to develope technology for work at home solutions. Even then the girls will still have to buy/rent their own equipment. It is possible to contract opening mocap foreign studios then editing the capture in Japan. This might work in US with Canadians flying in. Not so with Austria (and Austrailia).

>>13747933
>shellfhisness

I too have watched the South Park special.

>>13743469
Ame > Hololive

>>13747558
Did you watch that stream with Roboco and Ame? That's what 3D with "home technology" would look like. You wouldn't see the end of shitposts calling the rigging shit.
The setup that hololive has in their studio costs more than a fucking house, one of my favorite coco moments was when in another fit of stupidity she declared to chat they her and kanata would buy a full xsense mocap setup like they have at the studio to do 3D at their home. Googled a price quote and was like "nevermind". It's just not financially feasible to build a second 3D studio. Not to mention the holos wouldn't be able to set it up, maintain and use it themselves. The only option is flying them to Japan.

>>13747933
Kyrie...

>>13751808
They promise me a cute Chinese wife! How can I'm not kneeling!

>>13756137
If Hololive EN gets enough members they could make enough profit to open an American studio in Florida or Texas. Again the problem is flying anyone from Europe and Austrailia.

>>13756561
Just the equipment costs more than Rushia's total lifetime income dude, they'd never recoup it. Not to mention they'd have to keep paying rent and staff.

>>13756730
Then we will have to wait for a decade or two for consumer technology to catch up. Covid is here forever. Pandemic restrictions is the new normal. EN will have to all move to Japan and take full residence if they want to use the studio.

>>13752023
She took a trip "back home" earlier this year and is doing it again for Christmas and there is no way she could get back into Japan without getting poked.

>>13743469
>another year
How very optimistic of you

>>13747933
Might be Ina actually. She's the only one smart enough to realize it's not a vax.

>>13757180
Smart isn't the only thing that does it, being sufficiently suspicious would work too. Plus country people tend to be less trusting of such things as well, so Gura is on the table if you ask me. The only one's I'd rule out for myth are Mori (for sure) and Kiara (very very very likely), the others arguably fit the bill from what I know of them.

>>13757180
you are delusional
all Japanese branch is already vaxxed and Ina is honorary japanese good girl

>>13757476
>all Japanese branch is already vaxxed

>>13757476
korean dog is not japanese and will not be.

Projekt Melody's set-up is VR chat right? I was thinking of something more advanced than that for Myth. Though Cover will probably have to figure out a hardware and software solution for more slightly advanced VR chat.

>>13757805
do your holo stream VOD and mandatory japanese company health check reps

>>13743469
Until countries are willing to adopt endemic status, this will continue forever. It's not going to go away.

>>13758008
In the US we have the OUSHA rules coming out in January. It really depends on of Gura and Ame are Hololive employees or just contracts with their own companies. Even then 30 days later the mandates will extend to all businesses regardless.

>>13758402
It's not going into effect jan, multiple circuit courts have already placed injunctions due to it being hilariously unconstitutional

>>13757886
Stop shitposting on 4chan(el) Ayame...

There's no way Ina didn't get it. She's Asian, female AND Canadian, submission to authority is hardwired into her soul in ways we couldn't possibly comprehend.

>>13755670
>that's the best I can get dancing strictly around the "how does it affect their vtubing" point
If you have to dance around ontopic, you're not posting in the right place. But let's leave metafagging aside.
>taking an action that that person believes may be against their best interests
Let's just presume for the sake of argument that harm may or may not be the more likely to result when complying (because I want to talk about Myth here, not interpret scientific results).
>If this was done within the company
That's a hypothetical irrelevant to the situation. Cover, like most other companies, isn't coercing anyone to get vaccinated, governments apply rules that for not doing it, there is a set of things you have to or cannot do either. This means that any blame you want to pin on anyone for this situation, you can't blame on Cover or the other girls, it's not their fault that this is the situation.
>This could potentially cause many deaths or graduations
I think this is what your entire posts revolve around: It's the right thing to not do something that could be harmful for you.
One implication of this is that any girl who vaccinates herself or even worse brings it up on-stream, is acting anti-unity by encouraging potentially harmful (w.r.t. talent, company and fan interest) behavior. But at this point it doesn't matter if they're wrong with the stance they are taking, only that they could be wrong by taking any stance at all.
But inaction is just as potentially wrong because all the same negative consequences could result from it, too: Long-term health issues (inactivity due to sickness, as was the case for Iofi), possible death due to complications while sick, moral upset at the corporate or other girl's stances. No single person in Myth is scientifically literate enough to make an informed decision that's not based on group consent on this matter, not because they are dumb but because that's very difficult to do. Long story short: Only if vaccination was demonstrably worse than not vaccinating, the girls would act in their best interest, else everything up to here is in a benevolent interpretation "uncertain". But they don't know if it is so this is not the case.
But there are some certain lucrative, pro-unity outcomes of vaccinating: They get to see their genmates, they get to travel to a country they want to go to, and facilitate some crucial steps of their work while all of them are still active and well, before any of them die or graduate due to anything else which is still much more likely than death or graduation due to anything that has to do with covid or vaccinations.

In short, they have to make decisions based on the few definite benefits they do know. The only way this would be in your personal benefit is if the four others in Myth is acting anti-unity by taking an undue risk, and thus also definitely wrong in the context of vtubing.
Pic not related. I do think you're coming from a place of good intentions but I obviously don't think you are correct.

>>13759807
>Cover, like most other companies, isn't coercing anyone to get vaccinated
I wasn't aware of cover's policies on it, so I had to assume for arguments sake. Thank you for the information.
>I think this is what your entire posts revolve around
My intention was more so that I didn't want any one individual to feel coerced or forced in any way to get it (or not get it) from any source close to hololive. I obviously don't want corporate to make that a requirement, I also don't want any genmate to pressure another to do it or not to do it either. More so my ideal situation is one where each individual is allowed to make their own personal decisions on the matter, independent of all outside considerations. They would be asked if they'd gotten the vaccine, and if it is required to do their 3d, they would be asked if they would do so. If they then said no, they'd simply not go, the other girls would be asked, and if they qualified they could go do their 3ds. I could understand if it's a government requiring it, because there would be no uncomfortable air about it being their company or coworkers forcing such a thing on them, and could be brushed over slightly better than if it were a direct conflict between people. Chiefly, I would only want each girl to feel allowed to maintain their own personal sovereignty over their actions so to insure a positive mood for streaming and creative ability, as I think being happy with your environment is very important to streaming as a creator. Obviously with the previous example of a case by case basis I don't know how cover would consider splitting up 3d debuts, but I say again, my chief and primary concern is that each person is allowed to make their own decision as an adult, and that decision is respected by the company and coworkers alike, regardless of whether they would personally make that decision for themselves. Thank you for making a reply with effort put into it, though, I thought I'd just get some basedjack reply for daring to try having an actual conversation on 4chan.

>>13761952
>basedjack
damn you, 4chan censors

>>13762117
kek

>>13757476
Ina is a korean dog and her master is Winnie Pooh so she never gonna a be a japaneses

>>13761952
I didn't mean Cover was lenient on this (I don't know if they are), just that they have no say who gets to enter Japan. If remaining a part of Myth would require a vaccination, there would be no unvaccinated Myth holo. For the record, I wouldn't like it if they would because at least Mori runs very low risk to get the coof in the country she is in, and there are plenty of other workable alternative measures (in their function as cover employees they never have to meet another person, they can get takeout every day, workout outside and alone etc).
>independent outside considerations
I'd like that too but personal decisions always depend on what are the consequences, regardless of what causes them. I don't think most holos want to wear gloves on stream for a hour or two but it's just something they probably have to do as a measurement against getting recognized by people who could force themselves into their private lives. They don't get to choose here either as adults even if on its own it seems pretty inconsequential.
>I don't know how cover would consider splitting up 3d debuts
The way you're outlining it sounds reasonable under the circumstances. I wouldn't blame them if they split up the debuts as a first. Alternatives for Myth and Cover and cover are getting the tech to studios abroad, making use of other tech just for Myth, have other people puppet them or even postpone it with the small but increasing risk that one day for it's too late. Apart from the very last option I would not even blame them (someone else puppetting would suck a lot and they definitely should not lie about that, but I'd understand why they might end up doing that). My opinion on this is that a lot can change over the course of a few months and I think they are free to break that tradition.
Of course everyone should make sure that the talents don't feel like they have to do something that would definitely put them at odds with what they want to do, as much as it can be ensured. Thanks for the reasoned response, your point of view makes a lot more sense to me now. I will probably not be back before the thread dies, so yeah. Your oshi loving you matters more than all the stupid shit people could possibly say about her. Don't let this board make you jaded.

>>13759807
>Cover, like most other companies, isn't coercing anyone to get vaccinated
you clearly don't know how Japanese company and societal pressure works
if girls want to continue idol activities and other activities they have to get vaxxed
thus is why Japanese branch is already done with it

>>1376586
The reasoning here was simple: Are there Holos who have to stop their activities because they are unvaccinated?
If the answer is yes, which holo?
If the answer is no, well then how are they coerced if they can still work?
Please base your statements on what is happening in Cover, not things going on in your shallow idea of how Japanese governments work.

>>13767741
*japanese Societies work

>>13743469
unfortunute

>>13751808
Buddy, my knees are already atomized at this point, kneeling is my default state.