/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Let the Holocope begin.

nice falseflag bro

i just saw very low everywhere

>>13705256
>Is NijiEN simply more entertaining?
Yes
I don't know what the numbahs means tho

If its not obvious, not everything that is popular is good.
Gura has a ton of deadsubs.

a reminder that this is a tribalfag/holofag/nijifag general thread, so if you're not one of them just leave and let them bite each other ass like a moron

>>13705256
>rent free

nijien literally is trash

I can tell you clearly don't know playboard well. Here's something you should probably know. Even at 70%, it's considered "low". That means they'd have to match or surpass their own sub count to be average. Playboard are grouping corporations, music artist and general clickbait videos into the equation to consider what is "healthly" when that is not how all channels operate since there are some popular channels that only ever release 1 new video a month and bask in the VOD views until they feel like releasing a new video. To finish my point, OP is a faggot.

>>13705511
The percentiles don't lie though.

>>13705256
Btfo'd in the numbers thread I assume?

saviourfags, hololive needs you.

>>13705256
How do we save him?

>>13705256
>NijiEN has healthier fanbases than HoloEN
>screenshot shows HoloEN crushing NijiEN
Are you retarded OP?

>>13705832
Do you know how percentiles work, anon?
More people subbed to NijiEN watch them compared to HoloEN, that has a ton of deadsubs only thanks to brand.

>>13705256

>>13705256
This might be true but I can remember a single moment when people cared about NijiEN. And no here cope because Nijinigs here are discount Holo fans

having a higher viewer to subscriber ratio doesn't mean anything, your idea that it's a "healthier" fanbase is retarded and baseless

>>13705873
>HoloEN have more members
>more SC
>more views
>more sponsorships
>b-but muh percentiles

>>13705967
This reeks like cope.
More people subbed to you watch your streams.
Of course it matters. I'd go as far as saying its one of the few metrics that actually matters.

>>13706049
Can you explain why it matters?

This is not news

AEEUGH NUMBERS

>>13705873
>Do you know how percentiles work, anon?
Do you know how percentiles work, you complete retard? 14.9% of 538,897 is vastly larger than 21.8% of 46,485. All OP did is prove that HoloEN blows NijiEN the fuck out.

>>13705531
Don't lie about what?
Spoiler alert: larger channels always have lower numbers of active subs than smaller channels with the same level of "excitement"/"hype"/"whatever-the-fuck-we're-measuring-success-with-now". If NijiEN were as big as HoloEN, their active sub %s would be lower than they are now. Who knows whether they'd be higher or lower than HoloEN, but comparing Active Subs between large channels and small channels is a complete non-sequitur.

how the percentage matter, when in the end the holo number will still be bigger.

>>13706160
So you admit that theres a bigger chunk of NijiEN's fanbase that watch streams compared to HoloEN's?
I accept your concession.

>nijien trash talk about numbers

>>13705873
Do you know how time work anon, NijiEN is super low comparing to myth at the same time frame meaning that they growth is plateauing even faster

>>13706118
Nice try nigger

Don't even put Selen there or else Holokeks will lose their minds

>>13705256
Nijiniggers, your VTubers can't even beat a VSinger, an amateur ASMR streamer with a boyfriend, a depressed clock, an autistic retarded owl, and two Aussies. What makes you think you have the right to compare yourself to the Mythical legends?

Why do Holofriends get so insecure when somebody points out that another EN corpo is doing well?

>>13706367
Just like how NijiJP had the "first mover's advantage" for JP, so to did HoloEN for EN. It took a few years for HoloJP to surpass NijiJP. Will the same happen with NijiEN in a few years? Eh, unlikely, but they're still growing at least.

>>13706536
oh nonono nijisisters.

>>13706496
You mean this?

>>13705256
Clippers have healthier fanbases than both.

>>13706536
Oh look at the retard bringing FOMO new toys to the discussion.
Their fanbases didn't even estabilshed themselves yet.

>>13706607
dont coping now.

>>13706290
Theirs a certain point where percentile starts to not matter because the sheer amount of people ends up offsetting in some way. I imagine if Niji had similar numbers than the percentile would shrink due to that many people watching at once just doesn't tend to happen much unless theirs a special event.

>>13706290
>So you admit that theres a bigger chunk of NijiEN's fanbase that watch streams compared to HoloEN's?
But that's wrong you fucking retard. HoloEN numbers > NijiEN numbers. Why are you so stupid? Why don't you understand numbers? What happened to you as a child? Did you suck so many cocks it gave you brain damage?

>>13705256
>comparing a vtuber gen that has been around for 14 months to one that has been around for 7

>>13706597
>Can't even break 3k in a APEX tourament

>>13706656
lmao

>>13706586
That can only happen if their growth dont slow down

"They have dead subs so they're doing worse!" literally doesn't fucking matter because at the end of the day more people show up to Holo streams than Niji streams. The fact that you have to take this angle is fucking retarded.

>>13706717
He is from the numbers thread and brings up sub to viewership ratio and dead subs all the time. Every time he does it he is laughed out of the numbers thread so I guess he is starting his own thread now since that shit doesn't fly in /#/.

I don't wanna be a tribalfag but Nijisanji's management is just objectively better and as a fan of both Hololive and Nijisanji it's impossible for me to pretend they're the same just for the sake of unity. They have much better permissions and freedom which leads to fans being more loyal.

HoloEN's girls aren't bad streamers but if you've watched one of their streams you've watched them all, it's just Minecraft and fotm games, all collabs are self-contained in the Hololive bubble and they aren't allowed to do 90% of their non-gaming stream ideas due to management blocking them. NijiEN streams have greater variety which means their fans are less likely to skip out on streams. Even their lower effort streams can potentially become high quality due to spontaneous collabs and more chat interaction.

That doesn't mean NijiEN is more successful, they'll probably never overtake HoloEN, and Hololive has done a good job creating a brand that appeals to a wide variety of non-vtuber fans due to their "safe" content that doesn't filter too many people. It's just a question of what you prefer in a vtuber, freedom and creativity or consistency and family-friendly content.

On the other hand I have to question if NijiEN's style would be sustainable if they blew up to HoloEN's size. I could see management becoming more strict as they get more popular to prevent anything dangerous. Of course Mito does carry the company on her shoulders and still has total freedom to do whatever the fuck she wants so it might not matter. Anykara might just value freedom that much that they're willing to lose money over it.

>>13705256
Fuck off tribalfaggot

Tribalists and numberfags amazingly discover new ways of trying to own the other side each day. You fucking need meds, but at least this is better than the ones who were gloating about Hololive having the biggest Reddit fanbase

>>13706823
>Nijisanji's management is just objectively better
*hires 5 more talentless ESLs*
*kills the concurrent viewership of the rest of the branch*

>"OP is a faggot!"

>>13706823
>NijiEN streams have greater variety
as someone who watches a lot of both, no they do not
I'm on the verge of dropping NijiEN because it's all the same low effort shit, at least Hololive does some interesting things from time to time

>>13706823
Mate you cant even list one stream to prove your point get the fuck out of here

>>13706876
Even just one of those talentless ESL's has done more variety content than all of Council kek.
Even if most of those streams were privated due to her being a self-doxxing retard.

Nijikeks on fucking life support ever since Gen6 started debuting. They're so fucking desperate that all I can really do is laugh at this point.

>>13706823
>NijiEN streams have greater variety
I prefer NijiEN's style, but no they don't. You'd have more of an argument if you said NijiJP had more variety than HoloJP, but NijiEN is way more safe and bog standard compared to JP.

>>13706998
Their "variety" content is terrible, they're all trying way too hard
NijiEN is like HoloEN if they never did any interesting events and it was just low effort streams all the time

>>13707018
They lost even more relevance in this board because of the vshojo drama and gen 6.
So they're just throwing shit to see what sticks

>>13707042
>NijiJP had more variety than HoloJP
Yeah, I sure do love those Apex streams. So much variety in NijiJP!!

Instead of looking at the numbers all the time, watch what you enjoy. The nijis are actually really good. I think you should give them a try. You could be missing out on something great

Didn't tokyo ghoul get mogged by a gen 6 debut?

lol

>>13707052
>>13707060
NijiEN fans are the worst and most annoying small dog syndrome having pieces of garbage on /vt/. They should really be banished to /trash/ or something.

>>13707092
>The nijis are actually really good
Some of them would be good if they were in Hololive but Nijisanji is such a boring environment, there's no interesting events or collabs it's just trashy games and talking streams

I am on the verge of dropping pomu because she is getting menhera lately and trying to be way too edgy to bait clips.

>>13707092
>Instead of looking at the numbers all the time, watch what you enjoy.
That's why I watch VERSEn and Tsunderia.

>>13707246
>trying to be way too edgy to bait clips
I noticed this too, she's become super desperate and it's cringe

>>13705256
Is the final ultimate Nijicope?

>>13707092
I don't watch vtubers that collab with males so no Nijishitty for me.

>>13706876
kek, and niji en are coming out with a new gen, further diluting their already meager fanbase. Nice way to shoot one's self in the foot.

>>13707246
>>13707265
Any examples?

>>13707325
Probably when she kept calling Finana and Nina a stupid bitch or basically asked if Nina sucked dicks because she was interested in hot dog eating contests

>>13707246
I guess the money isn't coming in like she thought it would. She has to continue to be a wagie for the foreseeable future. Inb4 first to jump ship to Holo EN gen 3.

>>13707246
Wasn't she also like this in her past life? It's more like she's unwinding and falling back to old habits instead of getting desperate.

>>13707445
>I guess the money isn't coming in like she thought it would.
You can blame their hiring polices for that
Hire dozens of shit vtubers who each get 12 viewers each
It's the Nijisanji way!

>>13705256
Hololive is closer knit. They subscribe to other hololivers because they are hololivers even if they don't watch them. Even if they only watch JP they still sub EN and vice versa.

Nijisanji has too many meme livers that they don't feel inclined to sub the brand in general.

>>13707499
If Hololive is tight knit. Then Holostars showcases that all branches Cover opens outside of the main JP branch are all damned to fail.

>>13707586
JP, ID and EN are all successful

>>13707485
Hiring a lot of vtubers isn't necessarily a bad thing. People take for granted that Hololive has 60+ vtubers now and that's a really big number. The problem is that Anycolor isn't putting enough effort into promoting their existing vtubers and making them known to people who aren't aware of them yet. They should be doing more sponsorships for their foreign branches.

>>13705256
The percent cope rumao I’ve only seen seanigger’s believe and repeat that bullshit in the YT comment sections.
When Council gets more viewers on their shill streams than a full 10 member NijiEN event you know something went wrong.

>>13707485
In a way yes, but she still has the highest views or 2nd highest for the most part even if she shares concurrent streams with other Niji EN. But her subs growth and SC have been abysmal lately, irrespective of the new gen. So even if the new gen didn't happen, she still would be in the same hole she's in now.

>>13707652
>Hiring a lot of vtubers isn't necessarily a bad thing.
It is
Yout dliute the pool so much that it isn't sustainable for the individuals to stream anymore because they dont make enough money
Sponsorships dont get you new viewers

>>13707586
Even with the new HoloJP branch all of the members follow Holostars on Twitter. The stars aren't the same black sheep of the company that they used to be.

Lmao, so much HoloSeethe in this thread.

>>13707698
>Sponsorships dont get you new viewers
They do. I got into Hololive because of Azur Lane.

>>13707685
Is NijiEN’s fanbase mostly seaniggers?

>>13707613
You fail to put the period at the end because you know that Hololive EN is tapering. If Gen 3 Hololive comes out they're all going to be sub 300K. Because the Hololive brand isn't as monolithic as you would claim.

If that were the case, then how come just one JP is speeding through the entirety of EN gen 2?
>>13707738
Sure, maybe they one can match Roboco's numbers some decade from now.

>>13707801
thats exceptional, sponsorships work they other way around, they put the eyes of the vtubers audience on whatever shitty product they're shilling
Either way theres really nothing anyone can do to significantly shift the audience of vtubers at this point, the big growth period is over

>>13707092
From niji I only watch Selen and everyday I pray for her to quit niji and join Hololive.

>>13706964
https://youtu.be/gXudC689q_Y?t=6209
Pomu crashing Rosemi's VR stream and them just playing around for an hour totally unplanned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ_QclWneXA
Millie anime trivia game show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fPjyUemiwU
Selen speedrunning an average day as a Nijisanji liver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTUMVYK3Dxk
Selen Peppa Pig shitpost stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWIbv2gd-w0
Selen pov of the Blazing Sails tournament they played with NijiJP and NijiKR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u06nB7tUhZQ
Pomu and Petra playing Mito's personality quiz game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CSMjEWs-aw
Pomu cooks a disgusting pizza and pukes from durian(I know I know Haachama invented cooking shitty food what a copycat etc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8fAXGA5FIc
Pomu roleplays a date with chat that turns schizo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDGgujf_G1E
Pomu gives everyone a tour of Akihabara and all the maid cafes she committed sexual harassment at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpJR9FDW5no
Rosemi hosts a game show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pawgm-8pTug
Rosemi summer camp RP stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkdleLEumKI
Petra and Elira Mario Party collab with Mayuzumi and Lauren from the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-PX2hrI3zY
Petra's piano streams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8M8llxNtKE
Enna's Lucius playthrough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAmBiZOQFr0
Enna offcollab karaoke with Millie today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVWAJ1em80w
Elira's Dark Souls 3 playthrough

You're not gonna watch any of these but they're all pretty fun. Sorry I don't have anything from Finana or Nina most of their content is gaming. Nina has good darkest dungeon playthroughs though if you like that game.

>>13707092
>The nijis are actually really good. I think you should give them a try.
lol no. I watched Finana once and it was mostly dead air. I'm never touching NijiEN again after that and I'll never believe nijinigger lies.

>>13707864
>You fail to put the period at the end because you know that Hololive EN is tapering
Please take your meds

>>13705682
We don't. Let him die.

>>13707911
Yeah, I'm not on any. Please OD on yours though sometime faggot. The brain damage just might help.

>>13707902
Finana was a lot more fun when she first debuted imo, now she just plays gacha games all day.

>>13707981
If you dont think Hololive are successful just because they get slightly less numbers than someone else you're mentally retarded

>>13707982
unironically this

>>13707872
The retard don't even know the differences between collab and sponsor, don't waste your (you) on it.

>>13707982
Finana kind of hates her fanbase because they turned out to mostly be holobronies and children who regurgitate the same joke constantly. Now she just streams games she would've played even if she wasn't streaming and barely talks to chat(they fucking suck).

>>13707891
>he actually delivered
Based

>>13707891
I have watched most of these and it's not that they're bad, it just not that different form what holo EN do

>>13707982
Yeah. I've pretty much dropped Finana outside of any collabs she does. Too much gacha with too much story. I'm not interested in gacha nor am I going to watch a story while she is silently watching.

>>13706290
>nijiniggers cant do math
For retards like you the angus third pounder failed

>>13705256
look up the 1% rule on wikipedia and then delete this
>In Internet culture, the 1% rule is a rule of thumb pertaining to participation in an internet community, stating that only 1% of the users of a website add content, while the other 99% of the participants only lurk. Variants include the 1–9–90 rule (sometimes 90–9–1 principle or the 89:10:1 ratio),[1] which states that in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only consume content, 9% of the participants change or update content, and 1% of the participants add content.

Holo follows this exactly, they're meant to have hire 'dead' subs because they are succeeding more. It's expected and accounted for.

>>13708556
>hire -- higher
not esl-chan, just a momentary idiot

>>13708291
They're pretty different in not just content but execution. It's fine if you don't like their content but you're not gonna get HoloEN just spontaneously doing karaoke mid-stream like Millie, they need to ask their manager for permission first. You're not gonna get anyone in HoloEN playing AoE2 or Dark Souls or Peppa Pig(because their managers are too lazy to get permissions for games they know will only be played once). You're not gonna get anyone in HoloEN talking about their hentai artists and requesting content for their fetishes. Maybe their content is just as boring to you but they certainly have more freedoms and support from management, even if you feel they're not using it well.

>>13708713
>t you're not gonna get HoloEN just spontaneously doing karaoke mid-stream like Millie
that happens all the time

>>13708713
Kiara has fucking done it you retard

>>13708744
Like when? I've seen them do acapella but even Kiara usually stops herself from using bgm when singing during Minecraft.

>>13708744
NTA but it's the only one on the post that sort of happens, and even then, the songs are heavily restricted or monitored

>>13708713
>you're not gonna get HoloEN just spontaneously doing karaoke mid-stream like Millie, they need to ask their manager for permission first
Remember that Lui's manager get mad at her for starting her debut off with a surprise karaoke because it was not part of the plan, despite it being an excellent way to start off the stream and catching everyone's attention. What a shitfest of a company.

>>13708782
I can't think of a specific example, but I've seen them do it many times
They've also talked about their hentai artists aswell
They're really not that that different

>>13708806
I didn't wanna talk about that because I was unsure if it was planned or if her manager actually scolded her mid-stream. It was really hype and I enjoyed her debut regardless but if true that'd be such a fucking joke lol.

>>13708794
That's the same for NijiEN, Susan doesn't favor any side here

>>13708806
>retard can't pick up on obvious jokes
normally I'd call you a Holobrony

>>13705256
Great bait mate

>>13708972
this is not a bait,
this is >>13705460
so enjoy sucking each other dick

>>13708890
Susan doesn't care if you sing, Hololive's management require them to get permission any time they do karaoke because the company needs the liver to pay JASRAC every time they plan to sing a song. Nijisanji's management don't require permission, that's the only difference. They still need to pay for it out of their paycheck.

>>13709048
>Susan doesn't care if you sing,
Are you kidding? They have a bot that detects songs that can hit you even if you're just singing a few seconds of it, and it applies to everyone
That's why they all do unarchived karaokes

>>13707891
Oh shit nijifag ame alone does the same shit and more anon. One hololive member can do all this shit and this not even counting the fucking other. Take your has trash elsewhere

Ame shitpost Watam stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvFdDk4aFQ4

Ame collab with herself for an stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSwUyuy8t4g

Hololive myth Halloween special
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_2wqvu-tbY

Ame in the am an special news program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI2Csaks9Ew

Amelia watson fishtank speical podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRMh4sP4J4s

Amelia watson thankgiving stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKrM4_hc70Y

Ame melody an stream where she can play multiple different things
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4fol47EM50

>>13709150
La creatividad...

>>13708806
That was very obviously a joke. But if you're too autistic to notice the obvious act, then consider that the music would have cut off after the discord ping instead of before it if it was real since the backing track is playing on Lui's side.

>>13709133
Nijisanji doesn't do unarchived karaokes because the bot can still strike you.
That's not what I was talking about though. Susan doesn't strike you for singing songs that are in JASRAC's database. They still need permission to sing them from their managers though because they need to pay money for it.

>>13709238
>Nijisanji doesn't do unarchived karaokes

You're joking.

>>13708713
>you're not gonna get HoloEN just spontaneously doing karaoke mid-stream like Millie
And you're not gonna get NijiEN singing any western songs period. Millie singing Toxic is the sole exception and even she had to distort the audio to pull it off (and tell clippers to not clip it). I'd say Hololive has the advantage here, the various clips they get of their English singing are really popular and give them good meme potential.

>>13709238
So they both need permission to sing Japanese songs, what's the difference exactly?

>>13709297
I should've been more clear sorry, they don't do it as an excuse to sing english songs etc. Selen has talked about it lots of times that she really isn't allowed to sing ANY songs that they don't have permission for even if it's unarchived. Susan can still strike you and the streams are saved in youtube's private database even if you delete them on your end so it's better safe than sorry. Hololive is taking a huge risk letting them sing unarchived english songs because they can be sued or copyright striked mid-stream.

>>13709319
Nijisanji livers don't need their manager's permission to sing, Hololive aren't allowed to sing unless they get permission and give a list of songs. Gura even got in trouble for a karaoke stream of exclusively Hololive songs because her manager didn't want her to sing Ahoy too many times lmao.

>>13709442
Hololive are allowed to sing songs from the songs they have permission for, same as Nijisanji I imagine
You're taking one event with Gura and incorrectly extrapolating from it

>>13705256
lmao, retard

>>13709442
So Holo EN is playing with fire. They better hope they won't get burned like they did with their game permissions.

question. why do fags care about numbers? i'd rather be the only fan of my oshi and get a lot of attention from her than be 1 from 10000

>>13709604
more like nijisanji is being too cautious

>>13709646
Low numbers take a toll on streamers and they eventually quit.

>>13709442
>>13709604
It's been working for them for over a year. Even if they get a strike tomorrow and never sing western songs again, the benefits they got from letting their talents sing English stuff for this long cannot be underestimated.

>>13709734
im surprised that indies didn't off themselves then.

>>13709604
>>13709442
They use actual karaoke tracks and it's their own vocals so there's a low chance they'll get ding donged mid stream. If anything it's Niji that's being ridiculously cautious for no real reaosn

>>13708097
Yea a lot of the things that made fish great were lost thanks to retards in chat, but her viewership hasn’t been declining, I don’t really understand why.

>>13709963
what happened with her chat?

>>13709963
>her viewership hasn’t been declining
She's losing out on regular viewers while gaining tourists from gacha communities like Honkai who want to see her whale onstream.

>>13709553
No, Kiara has talked about it before they need to give their manager a list of songs they plan to sing every time they do an archived karaoke stream.
I'm not trying to shit on them but their management just operates differently it seems. I'm not sure why they blocked Gura from singing Ahoy that time but it's possible they have other requirements like HoloEN being a separate branch needs to get permission from HoloJP to sing their songs etc.

>>13709712
You can't be too cautious when you're a large company that can be sued into oblivion. If Britney Spears decided to sue Cover after seeing them sing her music so often she'd have a case for damages and Japan's copyright system is unforgiving.

>>13709746
Indeed it's a calculated risk that seems to be paying off for them. They could be randomly hit with a lawsuit that fucks them over but they've profited from it so much that the damages might be negligible in comparison to the profits. Nijisanji might just be cautious because their livers operate kind of independently and it creates less work for their management not having to worry about 200 livers singing copyrighted music. The damages might be much larger in that case if they get sued and management don't wanna keep track of that shit.

Finana is a numberfag and streams whatever gives her most numbers. That happened to be gacha. Check her VOD views.

>>13705953
Isn't Gura supposed to have almost no super chats?

>>13710049
Because it was a sponsored stream, and yes they need to give song list so managers can check if they can be archive or not

>>13710049
>If Britney Spears decided to sue Cover after seeing them sing her music so often she'd have a case for damages
No she wouldn't
You don't understand how the system works at all
The worst thing that can happen is their channel can be taken down

>>13710144
Compared to the amount of subs she has, she has the lowest SC ratio in her gen.

>>13710179
That is the norm everywhere, the more popular you're are the less donation you get

>>13710089
Every vtuber is a numberfag

>>13705256
>246098 views on average.
>447 streams (highest on EN).
How the fuck teamates can watch all of that?

>>13710174
No, Cover is a company and can be sued for copyright infringement. Individuals would just get their channel deleted but when you're a corporation profiting off of someone else's work you're absolutely opening yourself up to a lawsuit, especially in Japan's copyright system where fair use doesn't exist.

>>13706604
>Clippers
>Sodafunk
>Healthier fanbase
How the his fanbase even healthly at all

>>13710260
Her streams are shorter than Kiara's (she usually did 2-3 streams a day instead of 1 big stream) and the last 3 months or so she's been streaming less.
Apparently she'll be back to streaming more in december though.

>>13710179
And with only 251 Videos...
But it is true she could milk her fans more.
It is a shame we don't know how much money each has made with merch.

>>13710233
This doesn't make any sense but okay.

>>13710268
And you have no idea what is they deal behind the screen

>>13710144
Nah Gura does fine. Gura's numbers are a lot better if you assume 2/3 of her subs are dead subs, which they are.

>>13710268
First of all, Britney Spear's music is copyright in the US, not Japan, Cover would be subject to US law
And you would have to make the case that they're profiting off you, which is hard to do when they're unarchived karaoke streams. You could make the case, but the damages you'd be suing for would be very small
But companies don't generally don't sue people for this, there are far too many of them, that's why the whole copyright strike system is there, their channels just get taken down

>>13706927
>Hololive does some interesting things from time to time
like...?

>>13709150
>ame alone does the same shit
Indeed, just Ame and no one else. The rest just stream Minecraft/Pokemon and call it a day.
Ame also gets poor viewership in comparison to the rest, so it's not like holokeks appreciate her unorthodox content.

>>13709982
I think they were discussing hentai on stream and chat got out of control, plus the constant egg jokes.

>>13710456
Anything I throw at you, you'll just say its not interesting, so why bother?

>>13710390
>First of all, Britney Spear's music is copyright in the US, not Japan, Cover would be subject to US law
That's not how copyright works, countries have mutual IP law agreements and "copyright" doesn't need to be registered the way a trademark or patent does. A copyright is directly owned by someone the moment they create the thing, it doesn't require being registered in any jurisdiction. Also her music is copyrighted under a subsidiary of Sony.

>>13710390
>And you would have to make the case that they're profiting off you, which is hard to do when they're unarchived karaoke streams. You could make the case, but the damages you'd be suing for would be very small
That's probably what Cover is basing their disregard for the rules on. They benefit so much from those clips of Gura singing english songs that it's worth the risk of damages if it's just like $20,000 or something. Which it probably would be since they don't sing those songs THAT often and it's just clipfags amplifying them.

>>13709982
Finana kind of built her identity off of shock humor and being a degenerate but the fanbase she attracted are children who find that kind of thing funny instead of fellow degenerates. So they just regurgitate the same LOL EGG joke and are very immature about the whole thing. She had a lot of fun talking about hentai but her manager bonked her due to her being a retard that talked about pirating hentai, which made her even more averse to discussing that stuff and solidified the low-brow humor of her chat.

>>13710478
You're saying that even when she had 17.000 viewers on her recent behind the scene zatsudan?

>>13710346
People SC mostly because of two reason to support the talent and/or to get their attention, the more view you get the less you can focus on each SC, and people are less willing to support you because you're successful, that why merch are much more profitable because in people eyes they are getting somethings back for supporting you

>>13710672
>That's probably what Cover is basing their disregard for the rules on.
They arent disregarding any rules. What they are doing isn't forbidden or illegal, and companies don't even try to sue for it. They just get hit by the DMCA bot

>>13710456

>>13710672
You do know that you can buy song right right ?, not to mention K-son has like dozen of english song karaoke archived on her channel

>>13710811
kson bought the rights to those songs I think(or she just doesn't care because she's an indie)

>>13707801
Same here

>>13710862
And Cover can brought the song right too, there like a dozen types of license that allow different thing, my company was able to get some for super cheap because it was for some charity event

>>13711031
You can't buy song rights retroactively and expect to get away without paying damages though. They can start buying song rights now if they wanted to but they choose not to.

>>13711073
Companies don't go around suing everyone singing karaoke of their songs and uploading them to youtube

>>13705256
>12% of people watching Kiara aren't even subbed to her
B-B-Buh you guys told me KFP is a cult and Kiara is a numberfag!

>>13711073
Do you work for Cover ? Because you if dont you cant know

>>13711123
You don't understand what that percemtile means, retard.
How is KFP so fucking dumb?
The the % of people that watch your streams in average compared to your total subs

>>13711123
Bruh...
Did you finish elementary school?

>>13711073
And just because the stream is unarchive doent mean that they dont have the song right

>>13705256
EN Vtubers are cringe.
But if I had to choose on a source of entertainment.
HoloEN over the NijiEN dykes.

>>13711340
Neither HoloEN nor NijiEN will ever have someone as unhinged as Artia.

>>13711340
blob eye lmao

>>13705256
HOLY COPE

>>13710346
NTA, but I think they meant the more popular you are, the lower the ratio is, and that does check out. The denominator is just too ridiculously big to compare to active supas.

>>13707018
>>13707060
even the fucking "numbers" threads anon. they lost absolutely everything

>>13710260
kiara has more hours and ame has more streams. also made has some slowed down on streams but seems to want to pick back up soon. better for me since I like both and watch copious amounts of youtube all day anyway.

>>13705256
This is why NijiEN are scared of holocollabs, other agencies would scoop up holocollabs asap but NijiEN doesn't because they won't risk their community for dead subs

>>13705682
collab with calli, both love to say nigg

>>13706536
Oh no, nijibros, I don't feel so good...

>>13715027
stfu faker!

>>13706823
>HoloEN's girls aren't bad streamers but if you've watched one of their streams you've watched them all
Unironically watch the brapper. She doesn't play along with the Hololive meta.

Hololive is just basically minecraft, zatsudan, karaoke, apex, flavor of the month game, minecraft zatsudan

You seen one you seen them all

I hate everything about this thread and every single person who's posted in it, myself included

>>13705256
I have no opinions about hololive

if anything happens to Finana I will kill all of you and then myself

simple as

>>13705511
Awesome Chumbud

>>13705531
Content varies
Wigger Mori has a lot of MV so her views average is higher
Same case with Risu in November

>>13705256
The obvious cope by OP aside. This just reminds me how low NijiEN1's subcount is compared to Myth. NijiEN can't even pass 300k, these girls really were dead on arrival. Ironically it's the success of Myth that gave them the small numbers they do have.

>>13706823
How many VRChat streams have NijiEN done again?

>>13707652
> Hiring a lot of vtubers isn't necessarily a bad thing
That in and of itself is not the problem.
The problem is hiring them between 2 month interval rather than the 1 year or so between Holo gens.

>>13707821
All Nijiniggers, not just EN are SEAniggers

>>13708806
> anon can't into jokes

>>13705256
>is NijiEN more entertaining
Yes and more soulful too an 8 hour birthdaystream where members come and go you cant get more soulful than that
>inb4 le soul

>>13707881
HOLY KEK SHE WOULD CRY PLAYING MINECRAFT EVERY FUCKING WEEK N HAS TO QUIT BEING AN APEX PLAYER BECAUSE SHE CANT INTERACT W MALES LMFAOOO

>>13716566
There are tons of gacha streamers out there, you can just find another

>>13717673

>>13717773
Confirmed

>>13717773
HOLY KEK HOLOBRONIES ARE SEAFAGS

>>13718109
that isn't how to interpret this data, but nice try.

the amount of samefagging in this thread is funny

not a nijifag or a holofag but at least nijien have good collabs and not sound like theyre just awkward coworkers interacting and forced to collab lol... anyways ill watch my indie chuuba and let these corporate companies rot

>>13717708
I know this is a bait thread, but NijiEN birthday streams are unironically kino.
>HoloEN birthday totsus must be PRE-PLANNED, with a determined order and specified length of time for each caller
>NijiEN totsus have all been spontaneous and off the cuff
>the girls can join in whenever, join together, and just hang out for as long as they like
>goes for hours and hours with drinking potentially involved too
The only downside is the lack of birthday merch but they're working on that too.

>>13718360
i gotta admit elira and finana surprising pomu w Beatmario is so fucking kino. theyre actually friends and not just some random coworkers

>>13717773
In holo as you can see the western ones balances the SEAfags, you don't see that among nijibeggars tho like in NZ as you posted

She finally got him

>>13717773
I thank the chinks every day for casting the Hololive spell on all of the retarded EOPs and ESLs

>>13719443
fucking kino holy shit i love poomers

>>13705256
Without sparking war, i just honestly think Niji girls know how to have a more memorable conversation. They do impromptu collabs all the time and even their official collabs have a more relaxed air about it

>>13706536
Are these the same "Worthless, talentless, waste of a new gen" girls HoloEN fanboys constantly kick on the ground when it suits them?
Funny, they seem to only be used as a brandish for numberfags, but if the same logic is used it gets passed over as fotm shit and how some of them are nepotism hires

I feel bad for NijiEN.
They have a lot of potential but it's all gonna get wasted in a couple months when they debut the male generation.
Right now they're putting a good fight but the male debuff is gonna kill their growth.
They could have gotten even bigger...

>>13719843
So you know nothing about Nijisanji

>>13718323
Good choice

>>13719916
I know they throw their members under the bus all the time because they have so many and their strategy is basically to spam and hope something sticks.
And how has that worked out huh? Losing ground to Hololive, failing to get a sizable part of the global market.
They could stay comfortably with what they got now and let it grow but they're just gonna destabilize things for them and make it harder for them to grow further.

>>13717333
Pomu and Rosemi have done a ton of VR streams and did a collab just the other day and are planning another VR collab this week.

>>13719678
Hololive doesn’t have to deal with groomers

>>13708806
>this is the average level of intelligence of nijifags

Cope nijinigger, cope! A 30% better rate in engagement is nowhere near enough to make up for a 4-5x gap in average view numbers.

nijiniggers will eternally be frowned upon by comparing themselves to hololive everyday. that's sad. focus on your chuuba and groom them.

im an indiefag but id take nijien over holoen anyday. holoen is the most boring fuckers ive ever watch, cant even watch the full vod their collabs sound like autistic coworkers trying to interact for the first time

>>13720596
>>13720526
SAMEFAGGING SO HARD RUMAO

I love how Nijikeks keeps reinventing words for some ambiguous "owns" that doesn't include numbers.

>>13719916
More like Niji are so fucking disconnected with what westerners wants

this shit is console wars levels of being a retarded brand loyalist and i seriously hope you fags are just shitposting

what the fuck is this thread? Is this cope? Go back to the numbers thread.

>>13717576
Yes because council is doing sooo well

>>13707485
12 viewers kek Not even the worst one in nijisanji has that. And all nijien are 4 or 3 digits.

>>13721215
that's on cultural differences tho, both nijiholo new JP debuts are outperfoming their senpais while their EN flops

>>13717773
The EN countries don't care about Nijisanji.
I always had a feeling /Nijisanji EN/ was full of spics, flips, and indogs.

>>13717717
Bro, Towa is already doing all those shit AND still playing Minecraft

>>13722215
selen isnt towa faggot. are you fucking dumb or something??? selen has said that she fucking hates minecraft..

im so glad selen isnt in hololive because she wouldnt be herself at all and go for the idolfag route

>Finana got the meme subs because of le eggerino
>has the lowest viewership to subscribers ratio
Checks out

>>13717143
myth jumpstarted the vtuber scene into overdrive in the west. it was slowly gaining traction but if you check trends of vtuber views across all western vtubers you see insane crawls of viewership from nyanners and such from sept 2020 onwards. i believe it wouldve grew without myth but it sure was a steroid to the scene. most western vtubers owe at least some of their current success to myth including nijiENs who probably never would have happened as early as it did if Hololive didnt come to the west

fuck holoen. homostars is way better than them KEK

>>13720596
90% of nijisisters here are holobronies too. It's why they can't help themselves but bring hololive into a conversation about nijisanji.

>>13721215
Council are actually doing much better than their respective competitors in many aspects, from subs to CCV, VOD views and sponsorships. It’d be great if they do better - and they can, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t doing well. Even Sana, the weakest performer among Council, still trampled over Selen, the strongest performer among NijiEN in median CCV and views, for example - and that is with her taking a long break

>>13721215

>>13717773
This just means that Hololive is more popular overseas overall. Murica and Canada are 64% and 62% each but sure just ignore that.

Meanwhile -
> Niji US : 4%
> Niji Canada : 6%
> Niji Indog : 14%
> Niji Pinoy : 11%

Now we know who the real shitters are.

If you compare twitch vtubers that have 1 follower and 1 viewer, they have a much healthier fanbase than any corpo. 100% engagement! Surely this means they simply are more entertaining than either Niji or Holo!

>>13724181
>Now we know who the real shitters are.
i mean it's not like it was ever a secret, holofags spawned /vt/ and cancer tends to spread fast