/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

nijisanji en 5 let's gooo

>>13657076
No Uto, you will never be in Hololive

Put her on HoloEN3 even if she cant speak well. keep her model, and goslings will flow to what Ame should have been.

>>13657076
Both Hololive and Nijisanji would want her to reincarnate. What companies doesn't require reincarnation? VShojo? Cyberlive?

>>13657135
Please no. She's already doing better than most Nijis and joining Niji is a waste since she'll be paying them while gaining nothing in return.
Has she learn nothing after getting fucked by her last shit company?

>>13657245
Hal's company, she mentioned she might join that in the member stream.

>>13657076
NOOOO! She is the only one who could still make it comfy with 2k viewers watching. I don't want her to sell her soul out to these companies. Noooo uto-chan

she'll make a good fit on that fps company vspo? she has unique singing voice and really nice songs so shes a good fit to any idol company. she isnt really whore material so vshojo is out.

>>13657262
Doing everything on your own is hard though she did mention she doesn't even have time to stream releasing an album,merch,etc is too much. I don't know if she can hire a manager to handle these things instead of joining a company

>>13657245
but suisei exists so theoretically speaking she can get in there...

>>13657285
She's going to get the Alice Mana/Payri treatment. I just know it if she joins any company. It's such a retarded idea. Why lower yourself when you're already on top of the world? She averages 2k viewers per stream. The only reason she didn't get that much a growth was because she started pulling a Ayame and streaming only once a month for something stupid reason.

>>13657076
We got duped. Stop sending superchat and cancel all membership to stop her from quitting her Uto avatar.

>>13657076
I don't understand why she would even consider this shit. Her past life she got fucked over and over again because of companies and group related shit. Last year she got fucked so bad that she'll be carrying that stigma for the rest of her days and it took her a buttload of work before finally being able to even get back with the JPs. She's retarded to try something like this again.

>>13657076
So what did she say? You fags sure love rrating without all the information don't you.

>>13657461
She just said that if she can find a good company she will join, if not then not.

>>13657461
She feels like she's stagnating at 600k subs, plus doing all the merch, album, and all that shit is too stressful without a manager. As of time of writing the OP link to the stream is still live, so I can't timestamp.

>>13657461
She started talking about how hard it is to further promote herself anymore and lack of growth and was thinking about joining a company or something. I guess seeing how powerful HoloX's debut was broke her spirit in some ways.

Just let me be her manager-boyfriend-older brother, is that so hard?

>>13657487
With the whole JP gen 6 is a bit too late for her to take the Holo audition. Honestly she can pass it pretty easily

>>13657584
The reason she became indie was because she was a Holo reject though.

>>13657353
True. Her growth was on par with ollie and could be nearing 1mil by now if it wasnt for that illust drama. But even so, she could've catch up if she didnt enter apexautism. She already did a good job making connection and befriend chuuba left and right from JP to EN even twitch side. This girl just need to hire a capable manager instead of going corpo

>>13657555
Future Kson gang member ripe for picking

>>13657614
Actual proof for that?

I mean honestly joining a company isn't that bad she just needs to make sure its not some shady shit like last time. Its useful having someone handle all the business side of vtubing like merch,game perms,etc. so she can focus on streaming only

>>13657615
>This girl just need to hire a capable manager instead of going corpo
Fuck managers. A random manager out of no where that's not part of a corpo is a retarded thing cause she'll get fucked. With a company at least they tardwrangle them and she has a chance to complain and easily replace if she don't like them.
What the fuck is the point of getting into a Meltype situation? If she really is going to hire, she might as well ask her real life system who is also a streamer.

>>13657348
Suisei joined through INNK, then got transferred to hololive (after months of mismanagement) because A-chan pulled some strings. Her path is an outlier, not a blueprint to be followed.

>>13657633
This. She needs to ask Kson if she needs reaffirmation on why she should not join a corp.

>>13657614
Nta but now she has all what it needs plus connections to pass easily. Her english improved and is experienced in streaming now, her singing skills are good enough, why wouldn't she pass now?

>>13657633
Gross

>>13657800
And she barely made it too. If it wasn't for Yagoo being a huge saviorfag, Suisei would have left forever with how broken she was by that time. The poor girl was in shambles.

>>13657809
Past yabs. She's still not viewed that well by others, even though most people forgotten about her.

>>13657334
Uto and nazuna-chan combo let's goooo.

>>13657633
>>13657805
It's sad how tatsunocucks are like tranny cult now.
Look at them getting all giggity to recruit their "egg"

>>13657638
/jp/ and /vt/ archives from way back when people talked about that drama surrounding her former employers and artist.

>>13657920
eh, I wouldn't trust that. i thought she mentioned it on stream

>>13657903
Begone, Zhang.

>>13657885
Considering the profile of some holos I don't think past yabs matter that much if you are not retarded as Aloe

Would nijisanji let her keep the model? they seem good and not too strict on collabs I would be sad if she had to abandon the model and channel

>the "indie" leech wants to join s company
Kek

>>13658012
Nijisanji would force her to reincarnate, yes.

>>13657903
>bugman buttmad that Kson is getting sweet vbucks and all they got is reduced gaming hours and a dead Artia
Suck it zhang

>>13657342
She mentioned she does have a manager, but that manager doesn't really understand vtubers apparently

>>13657903
t.Zhang

>>13658059
Huh? so they are not doing anything because she said she still had to plan everything

>>13657532
She's stagnating at 600k subs because once she hit 500k she rarely streamed and then streamed nothing but 12 hour Apex streams. There's where I turned off and cancelled my membership.

>>13657555
If holox's debut can break someone like her, I wonder how many indies are crying right now?

>>13658137
You are so weak.

>>13658006
If you know about her past, it's a very black mark that makes it very hard for her to even be consider if we really want to talk about how Hololive work. I'm not trying to shit on Uto, but there is a reason why she's so reserved when collabing with people. In her past life she had really bad blood people she worked with and after that she keeps running into trouble from getting in a crappy shadow company that spiraled out of control. The amount of baggage is more than what most people have. Even if she get into Holo, somehow, she is not going to find as good as a welcome she'll hope for.Not that saying her being part of a company would be bad, but she has very little options and it benefit her too little at this point.

>>13657076
did her popularity from being ame's "sister" finally start to die down?

>>13658012
All of the big corps will force her to reincarnate, especially nijisanji since a big part of their revenue is merch and it'd be a nightmare trying to do merch without fully owning the IP that you're making merch of.

>>13658149
Not as hard as La+'s former co-workers would be. Imagine knowing that you could have this much success by jumping to Hololive

>>13658179
I don't think she could even get without having a friend there, and it certainly wouldn't work well. As you mentioned she's very delicate and would break down under the pressure.

>>13657957
Nope, just retards making shit up.

>>13658149
It has nothing to do with HoloX, she talked about this before. It's also not about popularity/lack of growth.

>every vtuber will eventually be a holo or niji
This is monopoly and it is sad. Communist revolution of vtubers when

To be honest, hololive has a terrible effect on the industry. Literally killing vtubing.

She will probably end up joining Merise along with Bora. Hal will probably let her keep her IP because he's been friends with her through the yabs.

>>13658207
That died a while ago. There were multiple times Uto surpassed her, where the only reason Ame was able to stay on top was due to the Holobrand. There were even moments where Ame tried to leech of her, when she felt her power. Uto only halted herself because she knew herself to be in danger if it went on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW3Zsk3J6WI

>>13658172
I'm not there yet, but she's my only membership subscription. I'll be sad if I have to get rid of it if she has to reincarnate.

>>13658137
yeah same with me desu, love her voice and stuff but never streaming/only apex once a week or some shit just doesnt feel great

>>13657076
Merise would be suitable for Uto since ShibuyaHAL know Uto well

>>13658298
The en indie sphere is trying it now, and like all communist revolutions it resulted in a whole lot of starving idiots killing each other in the name of ideological purity.

>>13658301
Yeah it shows that numbers matter to their oshi more than what they'd like to admit.
I mean look at this unironic commie seething >>13658298

>>13658353
Same. she is honestly the only vtuber that I can sit and watch the whole stream. I love her voice and vibe but it gets annoying when she suddenly stops streaming and doesn’t really update. Im still a member because I just really like her. Hopefully she picks it back up she started doing schedules again and started to actually update so its nice to see.

>>13658480
She just said this stream that she will post a schedule today or tomorrow, so have hope.

>>13658390
Die nazi.

>>13658243
Damn, never even thought about that. Now that you mention it, that does sound like hell of a hard hit. Like worse than Bane breaking Batman's back over and over again.

>>13658508
Missed the last part of the stream thanks for letting me know.

>>13658480
Good news is Uto trying release schedule every week is possible

Latest stream said she will release schedule today or tomorrow

>>13657373
That would motivate her more to do so

>>13658512

>>13658356
What are the chances of Merise getting big

>>13658612
Ironic posting that image while sucking big company cock.

>>13658622
It's a bunch of APEX autists, so VSPO tier at best.

>>13658572
She should have been doing that from the beginning. Like months ago back then when we still had our general there was talk of how great it was she started doing schedules and she was clining really hard. But then I heard about how all her god damn discordfags just up and told her its okay not to do it, and even telling her that its okay to not stream. These cocksuckers enabling her is the reason why she's even in a mess like this in the first place.

I know you dickmongling faggots are here. It's your fucking fault shit like this is even happening and FUCK YOU!!!

>>13658622
Very high, Hal is already on the same level as vspo and crazy raccoon is really big in the Japanese esports sphere so even if they don't attract any other big names they'll be comfortably sitting in the same region as vspo and noripro

>>13658674
>But then I heard about how all her god damn discordfags just up and told her its okay not to do it, and even telling her that its okay to not stream.
Yes-men fans can be a streamers worst enemy

>>13658301
Vtubing right now is where the mobile phone industry was in the early 2010s. Hololive is on the precipice of becoming just like Apple: intentionally isolated and too big to fail, while offering decent quality that is perceived as higher than it actually is. Nijisanji is like one of the final old guards like Nokia or BlackBerry that are still prominent but are clearly on the decline. And the rest of the industry will soon find a way to hold on to some small relevance through something easy to use and implement, like early Android.
Only time will tell if one of the other companies can hold prominence into the future like modern Samsung, and if the West will have any relevance at all. This is all a stupid take by the way, feel free to shit on it.

>>13658674
Legit. Her discord and her mod team are faggots.

>>13658752
>This is all a stupid take by the way, feel free to shit on it.
No no. This take is spot on. The question is, what will be the Android of the Vtuber community?

>>13658752
Hololive is apple. Only holobronies disagree.

>>13658753
>>13658749
Stay seething that she thanked the discord by naming her album after it.

>>13658732
>Same level as VSPO
Numberfag here, no. VSPO can actually stream non-Apex content without losing half of their viewers, Hal suffers if he doesn't do Apex content.

>>13658811
In the west it will most likely be VShojo

>>13658811
>open-source vtubing
I like the idea.

join niji legion onegai

>>13658811
Nijisanji is android if we use the anon's logic. Nijisanji still can compete just fine to Hololive despite what most fags here say. Their JP side is still pulling in sponsers and has control over Japan, much more than Hololive which is why Hololive attempt to move west in the first place since they had too little hold on home terf back then.

I expected this thread to be a schizo one but there is actually some good discussion for once.

>>13658852
I want to know who will be the xiaomi of vtubing because they are the only good phone company.

>>13658852
This. Vshojo, despite its content, could lay the foundation on how vtubbing companies are run in the way Android is.

>>13658855
Vtubing can be open sourced. Just open a github for making and maintaining a vtuber rigging software.

>>13658888
Nice quads.

>>13658752
The mobile phone analogy holds up decently, but you have things flipped a little. Nijisanji is the apple equivalent in the vtubing industry, changing the market by introducing livestreaming instead of the short produced videos that the likes of kizuna Ai and the old guard used to produce. Hololive is then the android or Samsung equivalent, taking the formula that apple created and refining it to be more palatable to a larger audience.
Obviously the analogy doesn't hold up completely, but that's what you get with analogies.

>>13658915
>could lay the foundation on how vtubbing companies are run in the way Android is
If that's true, then Vtubing is fucked. Vshojo is a prime example of how the west RUINS vtubing. Even if you think the recent drama was a nothingburger their entire companies incompetant is stagger that anyone who see should avoid at every chance.
I rather trust in Phseconnect, even though they're just as retarded for not tardwrangle one of their dumbass talent harder than they should. The other of their talents are fine though,

>>13658915
If shooting itself in it's foot every few months is the standard then good riddance western vtubing.

>>13658919
I mean on how vtubers or vtuber companies are managed, but that's probably a bad idea.

>>13658973
It absolutely doesn't hold up at all. There were kinda smartphones before apple and they only made it popular. Just like how holo is not the first company but made it really big. And just look at how elitist and distancing hololive is currently compared to the entire rest of the industry, they are literally apple.

>>13658855
>>13658919
Vtubing already is open sourced, literally anyone can hop onto steam and buy vtubestudio and rig up their own model to start streaming with. The issue is that just because you build it doesn't mean people will come, and the start up costs is huge if you want to have an actually decent model and don't want to debut with just the equivalent of a still png.

>>13658982
>>13659005
I mean, it's still on the early stages. Android was a fuckup on its first few years.

>>13659071
I guess you don't know what open source means.

>>13658612
>When schizos mix, in most cases the threads loses its good aspect they originally had from generals.

>The entire board has been hijack by rrats=rratto.

>What it ultimately means is that all discussion are fated to lose their original and true purpose.

>The rrats fear the Haachama.

>>13658840
Anon, I'm a numberfag too, and so I know that even at his worst Hal still gets 3-6k viewers, which is about the same as what vspo gets outside of tournaments. It's actually slightly better than most of vspo, in fact.

>>13658674
I completely forgot about those flaming faggots, now going corpo and getting away from those freaks is no doubt the best move for her.

>>13659124
Damned if you join, damned if you don't.
Fuck discordfags. Now and forever.

>>13658973
>>13659048
I don't know jack shit about phones, how does Apple describe Hololive exactly and how is it a bad thing?

>>13659124
It's kinda funny seeing comments like this when the whole yab with Uto's early behaviour started here on 4chan, meanwhile she would be 300% sure gave up and retired 3 months into her vtubing career without the discord. If you honestly, unironically believe the discord was a net negative, then basically you want her to be long gone from the industry and not be a vtuber at all.

>>13658886
Sure, in 2020. This is 2021, after the en explosion and the hololive dominance. Nijisanji is still a pretty big player but to put them on the same level as hololive is to ignore everything that's happened in the last eighteen months.

>>13658915
The two major things new talents care about before joining a company are streaming revenue cuts and if they can keep their old IP.

Streaming revenue is irrelevant for a large company. Sponsors, partnerships and merchandising make way more profit. VShojo took advantage of that fact.

>>13659202
It's not a net negative, but it's a double edged sword.

>>13659291
Just because she's mentally not so sound and depends on others a lot in a parasocial relationship, and the reason you guys are angry is because you are left out.

>>13657262
Is that reallly better? It feels like she's reclining hard

>>13659357
Not me personally. I just hate how her mods practically tardwrangled her fanbase into becoming yes-men and having them as a sole creative input for her decision making and content.

>>13659445
Corpos will always be better since they are forced to constantly put out content. She seems to recline because she doesn't do much. Which is reclining. Let's see if she can get back into the game.

>>13658243
Re:Act one of the most incompetent agency out there. They'll be around since the golden era but still as unsignificant as they are. Kyo and Leona really carry the whole company hard.

>>13659518
That's the thing. I want her to be consistent at making content and at the same time, not feel forced. How do you balance the two? Certainly not within a corp.

>Uto joins Voice Ore

>>13659202
It not entirely bad that she had such a loyal fanbase. Hell, compared to many vtubers who just got popular but then everyone fucked off to the next big thing, Uto held on the hardest. Even now her numbers, even if slightly lower, are still the same average from her hey days.
There are so good that come from her discords and their retarded Nazi reign in that her chat isn't a complete fucking mess and how well managed it is, compared it to say someone like Amelia's whose chat is still a total garbage dump. If Coco had half of Uto's chat's irongrip and Nazi control most of the zhang bots wouldn't even have lasted a quarter of the time during the shitstorm. I've seen Uto's mods wipe out entire chunks of seanigs spam when they get off their leashes in time faster than you could even notice.

The big problem was that they enabled her too much during that time when she could and should went hard. The same time when Nabi was coming in and bringing a even larger wave of new people to her but instead they kept letting her know it's okay or that they don't mind if she doesn't stream. Basically it was gatekeeping but it went around and fucked her growth worse than it could have helped. You can see her subcount too since now she's struggling to even get 1k per stream when she was average 5-10k per during her high period and now she's at a total standstill and there isn't anyway for her to go up except double down on what she should have been doing before; make schedules, keep the schedules, center her contain around the newer games, have a focused zatsudon stream like she did before, and go harder on her karaoke and member streams. It's still going to be a hard uphill battle but it's the best option she has now if she really wants to grow. Not saying she have to stream everyday but at least 2 streams every week would be better than 1 stream a month.

>>13659609
I don't know voice ore that well. Is that a good thing? Will she be able to keep her model?

>>13659575
If you have the self discipline to do that, you done need a Corp.
The issue is most people don't.
There's also the viewership boost joining a Corp offers you. Half of vshojo's members would be literal 2views if it weren't for melody and nyanners propping them up

>>13659631
Anon...
They are probably the worst company ever.

>>13659518
>forced to constantly put out content
Holo's aren't forced to do shit though, just like Ayame who doesn't stream yet reaps a crap ton of benefits and it's just straight up unfair. Though as a bonus she'd get to stream at her own pace with little stress or worry.
I'd say Holo isn't a bad spot for Uto, but I don't think it'll ever be possible.

>>13658301
Dont pretend like you didnt start watching chuubas cause of hololive EOP-kun...

>>13659679
Worse than brave and upd8?

>>13659698
I actually started because of Ange, but one of the first I watched full streams of was Korone.

>>13659679
Oh...

>>13658837
Being supportive always makes you be the good guy, but it doesn't mean is the best for her or anyone else. So yeah, she can feel loved by them, but is a fact that they are damaging her without noticing

>>13659631
>Is that a good thing?
No
>Will she be able to keep her model?
Definitely no.
Voice-Ore is if you take something like the Gambu chuubas and make their managers and company even more incompetent but just competent enough that they somehow don't collapse entirely under the weight of their stupidity. And that's the nicest way to describe them. The company itself has no right to even exist in the vtuber industry but they do and they're holding two good VA and vtuber hostage like ISIS terrorist.

>>13659705
I don't know.
>they debuted 3 vtubers claiming they are not vtubers but voice actors in training
>2 of them with Nabi designs, one with a different one
>they were told to unarchive the streams and keep them on their channel in a playlist
>they struggled to reach 20k subs
>nowadays they have ~30 viewers
>they also debuted a second gen that is so obscure even the first gen doesn't know about them
It's a company that doesn't know anything about popularity, vtubing, entertainment, streaming, etc.

>>13658012
I think going to Nijisanji would be a bad fit considering they tend to micromanage their talents a lot especially when it comes to collabs.

>>13659800
Sometimes support is the most important though. Remember that without strong support, Uto wouldn't exist by now. If she had no issues at all, then the discord would be better not existing though.

>>13659826
>>13659821
What in the flipping fuck? How are they still in business? Heck how are they getting people to sign on with them knowing how happened to Gen1?

Konbini or McDonald's are good companies
If you are under 26, I recommend joining JSDF.

>>13659614
Honestly well said. She can get back up she needs to stream consistently. and she did she say will try to keep up the good schedules.

>>13659739
There you go. They make (you) and millions other EOP love vtubing. They literally save this industry from dying at the hand of the Tyrant hand of nijinazis. Hololive rise flags of rebellion, motivate millions to take part in conquering the uncharted lands of internet before the evil overlord anykara solely dominate the industry. They are the savior not the destruction!

>>13659882
I don't know. They put out voice packs and even some merch. Rena could be a top vtuber, she's creative and lovely, but somehow, especially in the first several months, it felt like the company wanted to purposefully hinder their growth.
Also Rena's outro is the best in the industry.
https://youtu.be/0a2iSj__1K0?list=PL8boIRQk1zdW4bzbZNJBWr9osaNbPKb5l&t=11895

>>13659882
Probably managed by a bunch of socialy inept retards with dream of haremlive

>>13659990
Ugh. Pre-gen 5 Hololive was the shit. After gen 5 everything went to shit.

>>13659990
I saw the true face of hololive behind the facade, that's why I completely quit it. I don't even watch the holos that I actually like.

>>13659705
Upd8 is a genius compared to VO since they were successful before getting to greedy. VO is Upd8 without the success or competence, which surprisingly is what's stopping the same situation that had happened with Upd8.
>>13659882
>What in the flipping fuck? How are they still in business?
Fuck if I know. They have two vtubers that seem to be propping them up pretty well. One, the one you see up there, who is doing well enough while the other is floundering a bit but still fine. The main reason was because of the Nabiface boost, which was why there was a 3rd one that got the really short end and then got nuked completely.
Then these idiots rather than working harder on their two already somewhat successful talents decided to introduce a new gen. They've had the same numbers for the last 3-4 months now and no change whatsoever. They haven't tried any promotion or anything, just dropping them off and didn't do anything. Hell, the purple one wasn't even mention on the list of debuts when they first introduced them in the void of twitter.

I might be overexaggerating a bit, but VO even if not one of the most incompetent, is on the Top 5 examples. I'll never forgive these motherfuckers for making Kogane nearly break down and cry.

>>13659873
The problem is not being supportive, other anons already stated that the problem was enabling her too much, this is something common in a lot of chuubas (For example Ayame).
It good to have a good community? Yes
Is good to be supported? Yes
Is good to be spoiled by your community? NO
Criticism can be taken worse if the person is sensible enough, but is still necessary for your personal growth and this is where a lot of vtubers and fanbase fails to realize

>>13658982
>Tsunderia, Chinese owned and Califonian based
>Phase-Connect, Chinese-owned
>Cyberlive, Californian based
>Kawaii CEO made his millions by selling startups

What would happen if any of those really blew up? Would they sill be the treat their fanbase the same? Would they become worse? Maybe I'm being paranoid.

>>13660053
It's okay anon, cuuny+ will reignite the passion in your heart
>>13660114
Might as well quit (You)r worthless life doxxretard

>>13657076
Is this the girl that nabi mama legally can't mention or am I thinking of another chuuba?

>>13659202
>Discordtranny having savoirfag complex
Kek

>>13660242
Sounds like you don't know many words other than buzz ones.

>>13659698
I watched because of Kizuna Ai thinking she was a vocaloid.

>>13660250
No, that's the blonde detective.

>>13660242
>It's okay anon, cuuny+ will reignite the passion in your heart
It's funny, because Gura was the start of my disillusionment. When Coco graduated, I seperated entirely.

>>13660353
But she's collabed with Ame before?

>>13657245
Nijisanji has Kuzuha, Hololive has Suisei. They're outliers, sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if more like them appeared, particularly in Niji.

>>13660225
>Phase-Connect, Chinese-owned
Canadian, if we want to be specific. While they made some errors, for example combining the JP girls with the EN while clearly trying to direct themselves at the EOPs, their talents are solid. The biggest problem however, is that one of their top talent made her mark as a /here/tuber and because she got to popular being a /here/tuber there isn't a chance for her to really exit being a /here/tuber without mildly intense backlash, even though they're 3digits at best. It also created a problem where she got too hot in her head that she starts doing shit that put the company in a very sticky situation Like when she enabled a bunch of dramafags to try to "pick a fight" with Hololive but being a literal who it amounted to nothing, both luckily and unluckily. Her fans might say its a good thing but it's 4chan faggots, so you know it's the opposite. I think they pulled her back a bit now that the other girls are picking up more. Personally, i'm a fan of Uruka and is glad that she's doing much better nowadays. For all the girls actually.

>>13658012
Uto built her identity around Hololive. Switching to Nijisanji now would be suicide unless she plans to reincarnate.

>>13660545
You clearly don't watch her at all.

>>13660545
She built her identity as Cute Angel with a Shotgun that learns English.

I will still watch her whether she joins a company or not. but I would be lying if I said I didn't want things to stay the way they are she already has a MMD,3D,merch of her model it would be sad to just throw all of this away I hope she thinks this through and somehow find a good manager who knows about vtubers that can help her with things and that way she can stream more instead of joining a company. but if she does decide to join one I hope she joins one that lets her keep the model and channel. Anyway these are my two cents regarding this whole thing.

>>13660787
Same. Keep her model and channel. Otherwise any company can fuck off.

>>13657245
She'll never be accepted in Hololive. She buzzed because she used Hololive tags to get recommended to people who watched them which is against Youtube ToS. People like calling Kanata, Haachama leech but the true leech will always be Uto

I hate numberfagging, even though there are times that I can’t help it but I do hope and wish that Uto can be and stay successful. I really do just want to be able to keep watching her which is why I wish she would stay with her schedule and stream more. Maybe it was because of what happen when she had to go away for months due to her yab and how horrible it felt when someone you like just up and disappeared, no words or nothing as if she just didn’t even exist. If she graduates I’m fine with that honestly but I just hate the fact of her just gone which is what sucked about when she started to stream so infrequently.

I just watch to watch her streams. That’s all.

>>13661213
Not very convincing.

>>13661316
There no other way I can type that can make what I’m saying convincing so watevs. Just wish she stream more.

>>13661213
Sound like me

>>13661422
She's starting to stream more. She started putting up a schedule and will put another one in hours. She's finally rectifying her mistake of listening to her faggot mods on discord and YouTube.

>>13662114
It only took for the entire old discord to be nuked, huzzah. Its also nice to she her streaming on twitch too, mostly Apex which seems to be better over there to my surprise. It was nice to she that she and Kazaki is still in contact. I hope there will be a day when Uto, Chihiro and Kazaki team up again.
Also excited for her merchs.

>>13660384
>Gura was the start of my disillusionment
why?

>>13658137
She really fucked her career by stopping streaming without explanation.
She just wanted to get membership money and super chats and not stream.
I will watch her streams but she will have to prove herself trustworthy before I give her anymore money.

>>13663146
Low quality bait.

>>13663146
From discussions snd hearsay, it seems she’s also a college student and she was working behind the scenes on things like writing songs, making friends with people and her 3D. Her APEX arc wasn’t too bad since she was able to make friends and was able to get back into the JP vtuber sphere since before she was a complete outcast due to the whole yabe. But agree that hope she will go back to doing better if she really is wanting to grow at all now that most of her work is done. Its not as if she’s completely lost and gone, unlike other indies and vtubers who were the flavor of the month. Hopefully the discordfags who lurks here and tells her the news like messenger pigeons could at least come to an understanding and actually try to help her.

>>13657076
she's joining Merise

>still having discordfags live rent free when the discord doesn't even exist anymore
Watch streams, she talked many times about her lack of streams.

>>13663494
But its all males. Uto’s a dude?

>>13657373
>Stop her from quitting the Uto avatar by cutting her financial support
That would just motivate her more to quit the avatar and join a company, if you don't understand this that just means you are under 18 and should GTFO

>>13664031
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voBWrJuUWtc

>>13663676
>the discord doesn't even exist anymore
lol

>>13664031
Arimasen...

>>13663437

She just recently turned 20 as what I've heard, quite pretty young to handle everything all by herself (if it was really all by herself).

>>13664661
No one likes nitpickers.

>>13657076
Uto will join Nijisanji. She seems to be on good terms with Selen, so she'll presumably get in because nepotism. Not that she doesn't deserve it, just that it appears to be the most likely choice as she's part of Selen's bilingual nip harem alongside wosemi.

Dangit. I came here while listening to her cover to feel good. I know I won't feel good but this is not what I expected.
Anyways, please, don't do it tenshi. We love you the way you are.

>>13665098
Go comment on the youtube channel, she will more likely notice your concern there compared to this place.

>>13661097
That exact same thing HOLOLIVE is guilty off? Fuck off newfag.

>>13665098
>We love you the way you are.
I really doubt she would change her model/character if that's what you're worried about.

>>13658341
how is that video leeching?

>>13666149
Probably Nabi told Ame to fuck off with her attitude or she won't get any new outfits.

>>13657076
But she already was in one? Or was that a rrat too?

>>13657209

>>13657076
You mean she wants to join another company. Different from the chinks who taught her how to leech.

>>13658674
Same fuckers tell gura she doesn't have to do schedules. Gura needs that structure or she will up not streaming for weeks, it happened before.

>>13657076
Based you can only go so far alone, indie freedom is a lie

>>13657262
AFAIK Niji dont take that much cuts in exchange that they dont pay their livers with constant salary like Holos does. Plus Niji livers incomes mostly came from merchs and voice packs which means no jewtube cuts

>>13657532
Does... does she know she doesn't need to be in a company to have a manager? She could hire a manager (or more accurately, an agent) to work for her directly?
Though I imagine being in an established company helps with ties in the industry.
Plenty of youtubers are "independent" but still have staff. So do more general-purpose entertainers, like actors (agents) and comedians.
Actually finding a half-way competent manager that knows what the fuck to do might be difficult, though. Best option would be to get chummy with a mid-tier manager in some company (without joining that company) and poach them. Unless there's something like livejournal for idol managers/agents.

>>13659445
yeah reclining on a massage chair after doing one stream every two weeks and paying her year's rent.

Schizos out in full force

>>13668371
Stop spreading lies, anon. Holo is way ahead when it comes to compensation and income cuts. They're a talent first agency unlike Niji. If I'm not mistaken, it was Kaede who showed the breakdown of their incomes first before anyone else.

>>13657135
This is stupid. There's a reason people copy and leech off of Holos than Nijis. Uto exploded in popularity for leeching off Ame. She'd be stupid to switch to Niji now.

>>13672063
She has a manager from what I recall, but that manager knows nothing about vtubers, or so she said. Honestly, she just needs an agent who knows vtubers.

>>13659071
>literally anyone can hop onto steam and buy

>>13658894
>xiaomi of Vtubing
>China
DYRBI

>>13663146
I think she needs to pander back to Holo fans again to incline.

>>13659445
Her take home will be cut in half since Niji takes 50%. That coupled with more restrictions on what she can play, limited collab opportunities, having to pay collab fees, etc

Literally ZERO reason for her to join nijisanji. Hell even Lyrica was doing better as an indie when it came to income compared to now.

>>13677450
Uto is already bigger than 90% of Nijis just by leeching off Hololive. It would be a blunder of the century if she joins them now.

>>13677701
If she joins a company, it won't be with Nijisanji or Hololive because they will not let her keep her avatar.

>>13657076
chink whore

>>13676935
>agent who knows vtuber
Speaking of that, is there no other agency that operate like upd8 was? The type that also managed vtuber out of their own agency.

>>13657076
I said she should follow Sora's path. Find a start up tech company that deal with vtuber related stuff and offer them partnership. She has to prepare to work the grind tho

>>13657262
Uh, I don't think you've checked her recent views. She got beat in live viewers by Selen in Apex, even though she had 3 times the subs. She's been hovering around 2k at best. I guess that's what you get when your schedule is flakey and not consistent and you aren't Ayame where you can dip out for over 50+ days and still get a ton of superchats upon your return because simps are dumb.

>>13678369
She could go the HimeHina route. Start her own company.

>>13678619
Truly rent free

>>13657285
? Didn't she say in a member stream that she wasn't stupid and would never collab with men to not scare away the gachikoi?

>>13679352
That is some serious rrat here, and I have membership.

>>13680137
D-Did 4Chan lie to me?!

>>13680418
I don't know. Would 4chan lie to you?

>>13681290
I lie to 4Chan so uh maybe?

Uto LOVE

>>13657076
Uto saw all her sisters getting pregnant with P-san's babies and wished she could bear lots of babies too.

>>13657903
The irony of the previous 3 replies calling you a zhang knowing that Uto's backing around the thumbnail comission incident is still a mystery till this day, rumao.

She's better off joining 774, Phase connect or PRISM really.

Would Ame still cousin zone her if she joined holo?

>>13684257
Pippanties would have a new toy to play with.

>>13684257
>PRISM
If she joins will we finally see the long awaited Uto
Luto collab?

>>13681290
4chan lies to you
4chan is lying to you right now!
WITH THIS VERY POST
DON'T BELIEVE ME, ANON LIES

Honestly Uto's voice and personality are so generic I can't really remember any of her streams.
Aside of that, I don't think any big company will let her in. Everytime I check about Uto is either drama, controversy or long hiatuses. And I don't see a japanese going through hours and hours of autistic debunking and leave with the general impression of "Either Uto is a source of drama and doesn't know how to act in a professional matter or her fans are undesirable idiots that I don't want to asociate with"

>>13657076
She should just stick to being indie

>>13657076
Which company? Vshojo?

>>13686985
Maybe read the thread if you can watch streams?

>>13659695
Ayame is an exception, i'm pretty sure she has a friend in high place, not in the company, but outside. My rrat is she has a connection to a high rank Yakuza

Lots of people on JP discords are saying she’s in negotiations to join Hololive as a Gen 0, meaning she will keep her character if she gets in

>>13690951
I have to agree with the naysayers, why would either side do this? She basically knows no one in holo, aside from the rare interaction in games with a few of them. She has at least a dozen friends in niji.

>>13690951
Wouldn't happen, Hololive fans are too vindictive and she'd get Aloe'd.

>>13691103
Those can't be called fans. They are harmful maggots and they made me cancel all my holo memberships.

>>13657076
Probably Merise since she already has the Hal connections and would be able to join without reincarnation.

>>13691737
>cancel all my holo memberships
based

>>13691737
>they made me cancel all my holo memberships.

>>13657076
100% Merise because she got into APEX and Merise allows you to keep your avatar(they got Reid and Odanobu)

>>13657555
The thing that is making her stagnate is the endless dramas she makes in Japan. EOP audience will only get you so far and getting into a company won't change her growth much

>>13657209
If she gets in HoloEN she would no longer be able to stream with her friends so she's 1000% not doing that ever even if Cover came to her.

There are things more important than instant money and looking at mental state of Myth a year later joining hololive is not the best idea.

>>13695014
>endless dramas
Holy fucking EOP cuck you are. Everyone is all over her since summer. Stop living in a timeloop.

>>13690951
lol did you forget that YAGOO indirectly took at a jab at her by complaining about competitors using Holo artists to leech off them? Hololive sees her as nothing more than an opportunistic leech. She was already part of two companies before this and somehow got into problems with both. Really makes u fink

>>13695068
she's exactly the type who would instantly abandon her friends at the chance of $

>>13695084
>>13695153
The angry zhang is back.

>>13695172
this is not a Coco thread retard

>>13695153
Sure thing retard.

It'd be interesting if Uto joined Phase Connect. They were holding auditions for JP members but the expectation is they'd need to speak enough English to interact with the EN members because their current JP members are dead as fuck.

They also give very good superchat/membership split and offer her the chance to play games and sing music while ignoring Japanese copyright bullshit because they're a Canadian company.

>>13657076
She's funded by the chinese

>>13695584
There's literally nothing to gain for her in there.

>>13690951
How the fuck is someone going to join "Gen 0" two years after the last person in that gen debuted?
Gen 0 could hardly be said to exist as such, it is only a convenient label for a bunch of independent talents that debuted individually, then were lumped together when Cover started terming their groups as gens.

>>13695584
think about how popular is she now, and what company can make her even more popular, the answer is obvious, Hololive or nothing.

>>13695068
Bro wtf r u on about mental state of myth after a year? They seem happier than mfing ever. they were like the protagonists from fruit of grisaia with traumatic past events and they're thriving now with people they can vibe with and doing all the things they want to do.

>>13658260
>>13657957
>>13657920
>>13657638
>>13657614
Every Indie is a Holo reject the same way every fantasy book is a Tor Books reject.
This is an utterly retarded fucking moniker because outside of a very limited pool of small company tubers looking for a unique niche and Nijis being fans of specific Niji livers everyone applied to Holo because Holo's the biggest name.
Subaru (IIRC) has said that EN had a 1:2500 rejection rate. That's a LOT of fucking people.

>>13695678
There is because she'd get to keep her model and they'd offer her a large EN vtuber friend group to collab with and competent management that will actually try to promote her without stealing all her money. The only big JP companies that are at her size are Hololive/Nijisanji/774 and Hololive blacklisted her while Nijisanji would force her to reincarnate and 774 has notoriously lazy management that wouldn't do much to promote her. She'd have to join a much smaller company and use her size as leverage to be able to keep her model. A company like Re:Act or Phase Connect or WACTOR would be the ideal and the EN ones give the best contracts.

>>13695899
She'll literally never get into Hololive. A literal who 2view indie has a better chance of getting into Hololive than Uto. Their management don't care about how big she is because they already hate her.

She get into Niji easy but I swear to god if they give her a new model I'm KyoAniing their asses

>>13695946
And that all goes down the toilet when they hire their talents' friends.

>>13695953
i know she would never join Hololive, but Hololive is the only place that would make her even more popular.
There's no point in joining lesser company, when she is more popular than the whole company.

>>13695953
You know you need to provide actual proof that the management said, stated or posted when you make remarks like they hate her or blacklisted her. There's no reason for them to feel anything, and in that case they surely would have done something against her. It's all the fanbase, rrats and retards who only live for the drama.

>>13695899
That's not her motivation behind wanting to join a company. I doubt Hololive is even on her radar.

>>13696287
You should check the actual numbers. A lot of the more popular nijis have much more viewers than her. For example Ange has less subs but pulls almost ten times ccv.

>>13696346
Joining Niji have no benefits other than sharing your income with useless company

>>13696287
That's not really true, joining a lesser company can be beneficial even if they're smaller than you if it means having competent management that will work hard for you because you're their cash cow. It's not like it would ever hurt, people aren't gonna abandon her for being part of a smaller company.
Hell it would benefit her just to dispel the rrats that she's secretly employed by some Chinese black company.

Besides she mostly just wants friends to collab with. She can't really play Minecraft or co-op games or have anyone to play horror games with. Maybe she watched some of the recent NijiEN streams and realized what she's missing out on by not having any close friends to give her streams a more comfy feel.

>>13657076
She should have a fat stack of cash from her more popular days, no reason she can't hire a publicist or a company to advertise for her. She has almost 600k subs though so I'm sure she can get some lucrative offers.

>>13657076
She should unironically join Niji. She already collabs with Selen and co.

>>13696503
>Selen calling Uto an honorary Nijisanji had a profound effect on her

>>13696422
I'm just saying that her ccv is quite low for her sub numbers.

>>13696346
She still gets a lot of views for somebody who streams once or twice a week at best lately. If you are already an indie and pull as many views as Holo and Niji then what you need isn't to join a company, its to hire a manager to handle the extra outside shit for you which will afford you more time to stream. like over 1000 stream viewers is well into the top 1% of all streamers on every platform and Uto's retarded ass thinks she needs 30,000 viewers because the top 5 vtubers and top 5 twitch streamers can hit that.

>>13676843
lmao

>>13696503
>Maybe she watched some of the recent NijiEN streams and realized what she's missing out on by not having any close friends to give her streams a more comfy feel.
Anon, she clearly felt that since the beginning. Go watch her lone MC streams from last december. She also addressed how much better it is to have friends instead of constantly streaming alone.

>>13696957
Stop talking out of your ass.

>>13696957
>>13696519
She has a manager. She mentioned her manager during her 3D debut.

>>13695068
Myth were already mental cases before joining Hololive, it hasn't made them any worse than they were before.

>>13696422
>one of the main reasons for wanting to join a company is so that she can stream with friends whenever she wants
>she shouldn't join the company where a lot of her friends are because niji bad holo good

>>13697056
Well sounds like she should hire a new one then.

Being an indie is just not sustainable when you become as big as her, yes you get creative freedom and don't have to give a portion of your earnings away but you are literally on your own for everything. No people to help promote you, do cover songs, merch, other background work etc. The reason why most corporate vtubers are able to hold a 2nd job, is because management and other employees handle all the shit besides them actually streaming which gives them more time to do other stuff.

>>13697122
What benefit will she gain from joining Nijisanji? She's not going to be able to keep her model since Niji's main income comes from merchs where the cut also goes to Anykara and there is no way they will allow her model. Even if they did they might have a new artist redesign it and then it will be what happened to Alice Mana and Payri project where the girls had their models and channels held hostage for an ENTIRE FUCKING YEAR. Even if she did join she's not going to be doing any better than how she is now, maybe an extra 1k on top of her avg 2k and maybe, maybe a manager but there is no way the manager will JUST be for her Nijisanji don't really do solo debuts. Then she had to compete with the other 100s of literal whose in the company which will be even worse than now since at least in the indie sphere she is big enough to stand away from the 2views. Going from ruler of a pond of small fish to a literal ocean of sharks.

There really is no benefit from her joining any company right now. A better and trusted manager definitely, but a company would be just plain retarded.

>>13697214
She also said it's a really good manager.

>>13697214
Her manager can't really do anything to get her more friends unless they build an entire company around Uto, which would be kinda weird and expensive.
Also her manager is like the first one she's ever had that isn't trying to exploit her so she probably doesn't wanna leave her.
The best case scenario would be joining Anykara since they'd probably let her negotiate to keep her identity as Uto while just giving her a new model like Suisei and Kuzuha.
Otherwise she should consider WACTOR or something, they're pretty cool and also lean heavily into reaching out to multiple languages.

>>13697760
Dude, it was discussed to death. The same thing that she also mentioned multiple times in her streams. She might join Hal's company because that would be the best choice.

>>13697760
> her.
Her manager is a girl? That puts a lot of thoughts at ease.
>while just giving her a new model like Suisei and Kuzuha.
Nijisanji KR!
Alice Mana!
Paryi Pro!
STUPID CUNT BULLIED THEM AND SOLD THEM OUT AND ALLOWED ANYKARA TO HOLD THEIR CHANNELS HOSTAGE!!! CHINESEEEE!!!

>>13697760
>build an entire company around Uto
HimeHina did it, why can't she?

>>13698682
Why would she do it, where would she get the money, etc. Others already did that and she can join their company.

>>13698682
If you guys actually watched the stream she wasn't complaining about lack of growth she was complaining about how much work it requires to be a vtuber and how she wants to be able to stream more while having a company handle behind the scenes stuff.
Building her own company would defeat the entire point as she'll just be even more busy managing her employees.
She just wants staff that can handle things like permissions, merch, organizing collabs, managing fan communities, planning new outfits, etc because her current solo manager can't do it all.

>>13699185
>like permissions
She wouldn't need permissions if she's fucking indie. She really needs a second manager or a better one.
Fuck corpos, now and forever.

>>13699277
Better safe than sorry. Companies don't go after small literal who's but doesn't mean they might not go after her on account of her being big enough to warrant suing. She's also been screwed a lot in her time as a chuber so it make sense to be more careful since if Susan decide to strike her channel she might not be able to get it back. Last time it nearly happened and it was pretty scary.

>>13699277
Slowly but surely. Indies are gonna have to go to corpos to survive. Even the 2viewers will have to learn that soon.

Lest Susan get to them eventually. All the vtubers will need protection from a corpo eventually.

>>13698682
HimeHina is built around two girls that are way better at singing and professional dancers
Uto can't even sing and dance at the same time

>>13699619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azMmYaKs9wk
>The dancing was me, her boyfriend. I know, I'm amazing aren't I? Don't worry, I make sure to give her good dicking everyday.too

>>13699743
Hopping in place isn't dancing

>>13699743
Well, she'll disappear once she reincarnates in a corpo. You can't avoid that fate.

>>13699839
She's a normal girl, please understand, not your corpo "idol" that must be fit because she has to serve the chink investors sexually.

>>13699839
You don't watch much idols or dancing do you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkvSC-E8-Rw

Please join Hololive and mog Ame. It would be the perfect circle of life

>>13695068
What are you on about? This has been the best year for the Myth girls.

>>13699968
The people mentioned were HimeHina, not people who can't dance

>>13695922
>they seem happier than mfing ever. they were like the protagonists from fruit of grisaia with traumatic past events and they're thriving now with people they can vibe with and doing all the things they want to do.
>Happier than ever
>Ame has become a lunatic menhera, constantly lashing out at her chat and getting worse than ever
>Gura gets lazier and lazier
>Ina already let the mask slip about hating people who watch vtubers
>Kiara puts a bunch of pressure on herself which leads to breakdowns when she feels she's not doing good enough

Literally the only person who got their shit together was Mori, especially after releasing end of a life.

>>13700112
So why do you try to compare her to people who are in a completely other league and not to similar ones?

>>13699945
*casually breaks fate

>>13700200
I didn't compare her retard, someone used HimeHina as an example of "building a company around one vtuber."
Read retard, read.

>>13700259
I don't care, you talk about this bullshit about her not dancing as good as better dancers. Eat shit and read well.

>>13700292
Is this the power of chinks? You guys are a really stupid race.

>>13699615
*laughs in kson*
>inb4 "she was a corpo once"
Yeah and she's seen the light on how soulless corpos are.
Suck it.

>>13700414
Holy shit, just go away holotourist.

>>13700457
Bruh, you and I both know that Kson is a hella unique.

Find me a duplicate of her and I find you, full of shiiiiite

>>13700498
>HimeHina is hololives
Thought process?

>>13700540
Melody.

>>13700564
The thought process is that you clearly don't watch streams, you clearly has no idea about Uto at all, you must be a tourist and since you are shitposting, you must be a holonignog.

>>13700540
*points at OP pic with just half of kson's subcount*

>>13700639
But she didn't show her ass on stream.

>>13700540

>>13700617
I'd feel bad for you if you weren't using this website as underaged
You're a fucking imbecile and everyone is laughing at you

>>13700662
How is that even relevant? You want ass? Vshojo is thataway.

>>13700697
No, everyone is laughing at you and your ignorance after you didn't even get the reference, lmao. Tourist.

>>13700720
I'm not talking about your justification retard, no one even cares about the argument at this point who has read this chain, they can see a person who can't follow a conversation is sperging out and have a chuckle

>>13700793
Which is you?

>>13700594
Fuck.

>>13700639
You know damn well, she will drop her indie status in an instance if she can colab with Ame and you know.

>>13700856
Why are holobronies like this?

>>13700856
>she will drop her indie status in an instance if she can colab with Ame and you know.
I know and I don't want her to drop indie status just to collab with yellow.

>>13700856
This is the stupides shit you could ever say. Everyone knows she would collab with Mori instead.

>>13700856
>>13700936
Sounds like she needs to join kson's gang, just to make Holotardwrangled seethe.
>>13700895
Can't explain the unexplainable.

>>13700674
>Artist leeches off her works that got popular
Thank fucking christ Nacho didn't take off or we'd never hear the end of it from the HoloEN side. Glad artist leeches only exist for JP

>>13700936
Hololive is a lot bigger than one person. She'd get to collab with and sing with Watame, Suisei, etc.
Nijiniggers are mad but Hololive would be the best choice without a doubt for her, but I don't think they want to add a talent after debuting gen 6.

>>13700936
But why? Uto has already went beyond the state of Super Nabian. Shouldn’t she aim for Ultra Rena-stinct instead?
If we want to be honest, had Rena not be part of a super shitty company she probably would have been a top vtuber at this point.

>>13701052
How retarded and forgetful are Holofags that they forget Uto is a chink lover and panderer AND well documented leech, that they would want her to join their ranks just to not join Nijisanji.....who are literally all of those things as well

>>13699619
>Uto can't even sing and dance at the same time
the vast majority of performers can't properly sing and dance at the same time, it takes an inordinate amount of training to pull off consistently and just isn't worth it. if you're watching a choreographed dance and hearing the song being sung perfectly then it's going to be lip synced and/or auto tuned, even if it's live.
not to mention the technological advantage of vtubers is that it becomes a whole lot easier to hide.

https://youtu.be/05hTQC1CZko?t=485

>>13701154
I think you missed a few more buzzword there, buddy boy.

>>13701159
Yes that's why it's impressive when people can sing and dance live, like HimeHina who have done live performances where they aren't syncing.

>>13700936
What does the Pomu of HoloEN have to offer Uto apart from a shared mama?
>Shit at the only video games Uto plays (Valorant,Apex)
>Doesn't even try to speak Uto's language (not that english would do that near mute blonde any better)
>Gives up at the 60 minute to Uto's very common endurance stream
>Hates collabing outside of her company to Uto basically pointing outside and saying ":Anyone this finger points to"
>Tilts over baby games to Uto laughing away stream snipers and just general outplaying tactics

>>13701243
Uhh go fuck yourself cuck, no kap?
Love that you don't even deny everything about your Chi-com spy, just that the terminology used for it was meme-ish

>>13701154
Nijisanji is not a good company to join any more unless you're a nobody. That's why only nobodies have joined it in the past 1.5 years. It's like giving all your built brand power to a faceless blob that will just feed it to kuzuha in the end.

>>13701306
The difference between a japanese and a western streamer. It was only good for the memes, imagine if we could have that all this time, but no, the holotranny had to ruin it.

>>13701302
>like HimeHina who have done live performances where they aren't syncing.
did they though?

>>13701446
Vcunny
They obviously filter stuff live too but even Adele does that

>>13701369
Only reason I would want her to join Nijisanji would be to make Youjo Senki official. Maybe Uto, Chihiro and Kazaki can form their own vtuber idol unit. It would be perfect.

>Uto can't join VOMs because the white haired angel slot is currently filled

>>13701685
So would Uto been a flying type had she been able to join?

>>13701369
Kuzuha isn't even the liver that gets the most sponsorships or merch, why the fuck do Niji antis not know the most basic stuff about the company they hate
also
>implying 99% of the people who join Hololive aren't literal whos before joining

>>13701503
you seriously think they're dancing live when there's no way the audience can tell if it's pre recorded?
are they reacting to the audience or reading chat while performing or something?

>>13701783
Maybe with a color swap, she could be a devil? And i think she can fly...not like the lore to this matters though

>>13701783
Angels are flying?

>>13701874
Those colossal wings from Abrahamic lore aren't there for sex appeal.....yet

>>13701829
In the past hut recently? No, that's why nijiniggers are seething.
Irys for example

Reminder these people will only believe mel is happy and the person is long gone if she's forced to say these things and relive it live infront of thousands.
Evil, evil people.

>>13701369
Nijisanji management is known to be very good, at least on JP and EN and ID sides(KR is a shitshow). Anykara also works very diligently to get proper permissions for music and games and have a good relationship with their Youtube handlers as a result unlike the headless chickens at Cover who still let their talents do unarchived karaokes while knowing Youtube keeps a copy of every privated/deleted vod and will someday crack down on that shit and kill all their channels..