/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

http://poal.me/1fn9va
veto

Yesterday's superchats, top should've been Mahiro with ~$14.3k but Playboard seems to hate Niji 3Ds. Doxmates I kneel...

Let's see how high Subaru can go with this scene

Why does Mori get the same amount of views on her gaming content as Ame? Am I living in some sort of clown world?

>>13656871
Pokemon is a buff game

>>13656871
Pokemon, on the right mindset, is a buff game. That's why Pekora, Subaru and Fubuki can do great stuff and Mori, while not at their level, has enough to be entretaining.

>>13656698
Why did Watame get so many superchats?

>>13656964
doxxmates fucking kek

>>13656964
It's her real birthday

>>13656698
Wow, the new Holo Gen 6 is a total failure. Laplus has 167k viewers but didn't even make the top superchat list. So so bad and it doesn't spell good things for the new generation.

>>13656997
>>13657018
Wouldn't anyone who knows Watames real birthday also know she's already married?

>>13656964
https://youtu.be/G9SWOk2J6aw

>>13657086
Yeah to me

Most likely peaked. Opening scene over now. Still a good showing.

>>13656802
Be cute.

To that guy last thread who pointed out that Saya weather girl's clips are still going viral, it seems like she's stuck in a similar algorithm trap as hololive is. I looked up that original video that went viral and now my recommendations is filled with her clips

>>13656292
Damn opening niji mado disgust me, no 10k stream and there's someone behind gwelu line, meanwhile holos can get 30k + 20k during afternoon stream

>>13656698
November so far
>kson - $93,475
>Lamy - $92,795
>Rushia - $83,340
>Noel - $55,542
>Kuzuha - $48,907
>Marine - $45,183
>Miko - $44,866
>Mori - $44,693
>Flare - $41,256
>Pekora - $39,705
>Fuwa - $37,481
>Watame - $35,516
>Kanata - $33,271
>Ibrahim - $32,733
>Kiara - $32,025

>>13657086
Should head back to global, schizo.

>>13657413
Damn, in addition to inclining hard this year Miko has also stepped up her superchat game pretty hard. I guess 35p decided to open their wallets a little bit more.

>>13656997
Unavoidable when a video of you dancing has over a million views.

>>13657413
Impressive. Kson also gets the full amount after Youtubes cut so she's getting twice what Lamy gets in the pocket.

I doubt the bird will even break 100k
Her design is fucking shit

At 5 hourrs of Lui's debut. 1.974 people are in the waiting room.
I still think she can break the 100k but is not as good sign so far.

>>13656507
Can you show all the HoloEN numbers? just wanted to see who is inclining/reclining among them

>>13657417
No he's here because if he posted that in global he'd take a vacation

This is the numbers thread but I can't measure in numbers how much I love IRyS.

She won't get 100k

>Brag about the fastest 300K in chuuba history
She is perfect number bros
https://twitter.com/LaplusDarknesss/status/1464474603296751621?t=c4ysrfhNsRLk5EOJ2z9fHw&s=19

She will get 100k rather easily if she has something prepared like La+.

>>13657587
Lose the hair wing and her design would be less disgusting to look at.

>>13657546
This is better for her since she was getting very little sponsorships in Holo.

>>13657678
I'd feel bad for her if she doesn't. Laplus has set such a high bar less than 100k would be seen as a failure now.

>>13657719

wont the debut only be 10 minutes?

>>13657735
She have a video to premier 15 minutes after the hour, if she does that time in her debut.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkCPkLmU7l4
The most likely thing is a cover song or a original song but who knows. It shows she's prepared.

>>13657639
Uh oh it's gone now, looks like they're gonna be taking a vacation regardless.

>>13657803
This was in response to Miko bullying him. Migo is too powerful.

>>13657813
Yesterday's 30 minute debut was not what planned by management, it's just her being a lazy fuck and only prepare it for the last 4 days, she doesn't know what to do to fill them. Manager kept telling her to fill it as she streams.

>>13657983
he did call her the protagonist of hololive

>>13657803
Jii-sanchads…

>>13657873
Meidos actually doing work outside of global? What is this, clown world?

>>13657777
I can't see any of them getting less than 100k unless it was after multiple bombed debuts. HL is too strong now.

>>13657546
>twice
I thought she still need to pay burger tax? Also Lamy renegotiated her cut so her cut is not 50:50.

>>13658279
>Implying

Since Cover has all the neccessary metrics, does anyone think that HoloJP girls has stopped pandering to EOPs because management has shown them a decline in audience in that market?

This is probably why Cover is pushing for more Japanese presence while reducing their foreign output. Even 3D events of foreign branches are put in the backburner to accomodate Gen 6. Cover is definitely surprised at the reception Gen 6 gets for sure.

>>13658044
>told manager she'll only debut for 10minutes
>Mane said no 4days before debut
>prepare more material in that short 4day for maximum kino 30 minutes debut
>mane said no again, it has to be 1hr
>said fuck mane and went with 30m maximum kino
>broke ccv debut record
>make nijinigger seethe hard
>later compromise an hour of after debut zatsudan
>30m kino banter and 30m maximun shill for her genmates
>broke another record as fastest 300k subs chuuba
She is too strong bros.. the real Gura killer
>

>>13657086
Weird, it's common knowledge Watame's roommate is married, why are the jannies so sensitive

>>13658462
This is crazy but the hype will get her to 1M for sure. After that, who knows what will happen. Can she beat both Mori and Pekora to 2M?

>>13658515
Don't get too ahead of yourself.

>>13658456
Kek is this from the voices on your head anon? mind sharing the rest?

>>13658515
>Can she beat both Mori and Pekora to 2M
Lol no

>>13658456
Take your meds, anon. You need them.

>>13658456
>does anyone think that HoloJP girls has stopped pandering to EOPs
No. What do you even consider pandering? Subaru and Flare still translate things for EOPs, Watame and Polka still do English subtitles on their music, etc.

>>13658456
numbers?

>>13658462
> is an fps fag
> wants to do a lot of vod content
> will be a 5k streamer tops in a year

>>13658456
You are a dumbass. The HoloJP girls have stopped pandering to EOPs so much because there is an actual EN branch now. I can guarantee you that EN has exceeded any expectation that Cover ever had for it. Its success has been overwhelming.

>>13658515
>Can she beat both Mori and Pekora to 2M?
That is asking a lot.

>>13658515
Not going to happen in this age of harsh subs purging

Dudes...
It's a fucking ENschizo and you just have him 5 (you)s.
This is why they'll never leave the thread.

>>13658515
No. Depending on how things play out she could have some really good growth, but that's not reasonable. It's more difficult to have growth like Gura did in the JP market simply due to the size of it and one day isn't enough to figure out any sort of trend. Also her gen-mates could eat up some of that hype.

>>13658673
>the HoloJP girls have stopped pandering to EOPs so much
No wonder they're falling behind, this is the age of bilingual chuubas and anyone who can't speak English is going to lose out

So, whatever happened to Hal's merise thing? Last I heard he was putting together a team but that was like a month ago, any updates since then?

>>13658515
Yes
>>13658667
She WILL be the new king and mogu silverboi from his seat

>>13658786
Heard Uto is planning on joining them

>>13658786
Shit takes time, and he's going to sift through a lot of crap to find worthwhile people.

>>13657719
Gura killer

https://gamebiz.jp/news/337914

The line outside are actually there to watch holos.

>>13658303
Not that anon, but I don't think she has that tax anymore and hasn't for a while. That being said if she is making more than she was before, that extra is getting taxed anyway even if she's not getting doubled by the burger tax so it's still not going to be double take-home.

Hinotoribros how's the view looking?
1m in 1week?

>>13658462
>actually sang children song during her debut
ToT

>>13658571
>>13658629
This is the numbers thread globalfags, we can see EN has quantifiably declined this year compared to JP which is at record highs

>>13658864
>Shien cosplayer
Now I have seen everything.

Can anyone at least show both Oct-Nov graph of HoloEN? This ENschizo is pretty hilarious, cant even provide proof

>>13658462
You are praising her, but you actually better praise her manager. Having a 10' debut would have made her DOA even with cunny buff

Are there any contenders for silver today?
Highest so far is Pekora with 37.5k.

>>13659015
Kek out of all the fags that can live rent free inside your head, it's a retarded globalfags?

>>13659015
>Most subbed Holomem is an EN
>2nd Most subbed Holomem is an EN
>Most viewed original song is an EN song
>Most AVG VOD views belong to an EN member
>First generation to ever have all its members at 1M subs is an EN gen
>The fastest songs to reach 1M views are all EN songs
>Highest CCV stream in Hololive history (non-graduation) is an EN stream
I don't know man, EN seems to hold all the records. From my point of view it looks like Cover should invest more into EN and less into JP

>>13658864
nijien bros.........

Duke it out in your discord or some shit you faggots

>>13658864
So this is the power of hololive

>>13658864
based koronesuki

>>13659189
disneyland collab shiraken

>>13659249
Don't feed the ENschizo anon, I'm pretty sure he will nit pick streams and bullshit claims to fit his narrative

No actual sane person thinks that either JP and EN are dying to such a point that they'll have to mass graduate.
I know not having any actual competitors in terms of numbers for now makes things boring but could you stop attacking one of your own for once?

>>13659560
It will stop once people learn how to stop biting bait
So you know, never ever

Bird has 2.4k waiting with 4 hours till stream. I don't know how many cunny had at this time, but she had 2.6k waiting at 6 hours prior.

>>13659560
JP isn't declining so far that they have to graduate, that's retarded falseflagging from the ENschizo, but they've definitely been left behind by EN who are holding the record for every metric you'd care to investigate and seem more fitting to be called the main branch nowadays.

>>13659189
La**us with with 55k

>>13659560
You think the schizos are Holofans?

They always sperg out whenever Niji is losing, they're clearly a Nijifag.

>>13659403
4 PoV so probably not.

>>13659648
the zatsudan will be on bird's channel, but she will be there

>>13659648
that was counted yesterday.

>>13659648
That went on yesterdays list since she started 30 seconds or something before midnight.

>>13659189
Pekora will probably take bronze from now till the end of the month, with gold and silver being the gen 6 debut and gen 6 post-debut zatsudans respectively.

Is it just me or are people severely overestimating La+' and gen 6's numbers for the future? We already had this song and dance before with gen 5. Most of them had record breaking debut ccv numbers and pre debut subs but all that shit didn't matter since all of them are just more or less average holos in terms of numbers. I feel like they're all going to smash 600k since the amount of holofans have increased but then they'll normalize there unless their content is increadibly special.

>>13658303
Why would she, she lives in japan

>>13659625
JP will always be the main branch, or a more befitting name, the roots, of Hololive, as they started there.

>>13659745
She can take a month rest at least, now that the concert is out of the way
I miss her storytime

>>13659746
What matters is that another gen of "just average holos" that doesn't detract from the viewership of the existing girls, is showing yet another expansion of Hololive's footprint in the industry.

>>13659746
What else is new from the people that keep insisting gen 5 AREN'T a bunch of mediocrities that were overhyped? Gen 5 having big numbers for debuts but getting mogged badly by Myth just a couple months later despite the latter's lower debut numbers is still the most satisfying turnabout that can happen.

>>13659746
Most people aren't being serious. The rest are retards. Best to ignore most of what's being said about gen 6 numbers until things settle down.

>>13659816
This, as long as they don't actually drag the others down as deadweights like Nijis

>>13659625
Highest CCV average?
Highest SC?
Highest Watch hours?
More Sponsorship?

Oh gen 5 schizo is here

>>13659746
I will consider her a failure unless she can keep a median of 50k for December, January and February. If she has a median below 20k in any of those months she should just graduate.

>>13658456
>3D events of foreign branches are put in the backburner to accomodate Gen 6
This is where you expose your propaganda, faggot
Foreigners are having issues getting in the country, they probably have to spend 14 days in quarantine doing nothing inside a hotel room before going into public.

>>13659863
roots =/= main, Playstation started in Japan but found way more success overseas and now the main, more famous, more profitable, more successful branch is in America. Same thing's happening with Hololive.

Gonna throw this out there, Ollie has 3.7k listeners on her Twitter space. It was probably higher when Mori was there but I unfortunately didn't check at the time. For perspective, she hasn't had a stream that was 3.7k or higher in about a month. Makes me wonder, if a HoloEN also made a space, would they also see higher than average numbers? Or maybe this is unique to Ollie due to her social media influence and connections being disproportional to her viewership?

>>13659746
She seems to care for numbers so i'm expecting the same attitude as Pekora towards streaming

>>13659928
EN isn't mogging JP that hard that they would be the main, plus they only have 11 chubbas which distorts how good they're actually are compared to JPs.
Give it a few years and you'd start seeing deadweights in EN like in JP as well.

>>13659929
When Mori was there I saw 4.5k not sure if it was higher though

>>13659162
I mean, it would've been a disappointing debut, but she had 100k+ people in her waiting room.
The number she got had likely nothing to do with her actual debut, HoloX is just crazy hype rn because of multiple factors.
The fact that it was such a high quality debut will likely help her genmates tho because expectations are high now.

>>13659746
This thread has always had a problem with agendafags who are just here to pick up stuff that will help confirm whatever preconceived notion that they have instead of being actually interested in the truth. Last samurai, nijiniggers, gen5schzio, you name it. Just ignore them

>>13659928
And now they lost JP market.

>>13659988
>first gen to hit all 1M subs
>not mogging hard
Ok schizo

>>13659955
If that's true I hope they will get along. My intuition just tell me they would get along evenrutally for some reasons

>>13660065
The JP market is irrelevant compared to the global market, nijinigger.

>>13660081
First to 1 mil subs for an individual may mean a lot, but what does the first gen hitting 1 mil subs has to do with anything?

>>13660133
It means they're collectively stronger than the JP branch.

>>13659878
NijiEN combined still falling well short of Petra.

>>13660173
For a global branch that's normal though?

All this muh jp > global talk is the reason Japan is losing to South Korea kek

>>13659955
She already admitted to being a lazy fuck by stating that she wanted to do a 10 min debut and only when forced to made enough content for 30 min. Don't get your hopes up that she will have the same work ethic in regards to streaming as Pekora.

>>13660237
Losing to South korea in what exactly?

>>13660228
Yes, that's why successful global branches are almost always considered the main branch nowadays and Hololive is no different.

>>13660173
Trying too hard, anon.

Stop debating who's best among Holo JP or EN, they both mogged they're competitors that's what matters, or are you guys bored there's no competition and your pitting them even though they are in the same company?

The state of baits in this thread
>Holosomething>Holosomething
>metrics that fits narrative
>eventually cornered and resort to name calling
>loop 10 times per thread
It's so tiring.

>>13660311
Facts are facts, is there anything wrong with discussing them? Or are JP-onlys so insecure that they don't dare compare EN to JP?

Are the ENschizo and JPschizo fighting each other again?

>>13660344
>Again

>>13660326
This is what happens when Niji can't put up a fight. Come on Anycolor, please do something to regain some hype.

>>13660338
>Lets fight our own competitively after winning a tournament together!

>>13660081
go back

>>13659249
All those are artifacts of when EN was popular. You might as well say Kizuna AI is the most popular vtuber in the world because of her subcount and VOD views despite the fact she can barely get 5k CCV

>>13660372
Manjisansji...
Onegai, save us from the timeloops...
Oh wait, 4 more days of debuts, we're fucked for at least the next week.

Ugh, let's talk about midgets.

Who's the top EN indie vtuber nowadays?

>>13660130
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Dragon Quest is bigger than Final Fantasy and that is pretty much just based on how big Dragon Quest is in Japan.

>>13660373
Do you bitch and whine when a MVP is crowned after a tournament is won?

>>13660130
Not when it is their second best market.

Kek there is really no competition that this schizo's is pitting each branch of the same company,

>>13660344
>actually same anon

>>13660429
Not sure who's the biggest, but I think Bao and Saruei get better numbers than most of NijiEN so they're doing pretty good.

>>13660449
Who's the judge? The faggots on this Mongolian basket waving forum?

Theme of the thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFWw821wozI

>>13660385
>barely get 5k CCV
>5k CCV
That makes Kizuna Ai one of the biggest vtubers in the world. The numbers thread has brain rotted you since you don't realize just how fucking big 5k CCV is. It seems the tales of Ai-chan's demise have been greatest exaggerated. Those are fantastic numbers.

>>13660463
>tfw the schizo wont use holoID for shitposting
IDbros...

>>13660486
The numbers speak for themselves as to which branch is the MVP. >>13659249

>>13659625
>but they've definitely been left behind by EN
Pekora has maintained 30k+ CCV for 4 hours today. Not a single member of EN has done that ONCE in 2021. Pekora has done it almost every single week. Gura is the only EN who manages to reach Miko level, the rest are all Flare level or below.

Hololive powerlevel goes:
>Pekora
>Marine
>Subaru
>Miko
>Rushia
>Gura

then a massive gap to the rest. Kiara and Sana are Roboco level.

>>13660531
HoloID still mogs their competition in Indonesia.

So how about NijiEN and NijiJP pitting each other or is it too much to ask?

>>13659878
man wave 3 numbers are actually sad, some of them are at wactor level

>>13660463
It's like when a franchise is so dominant in sports that people just argue about which of their championship teams historically was better than the other, right down to fabricating conflicts or narratives between them that have no basis in reality

>>13660542
MVP but has council number...
sana even lower than anya ffs and their star kronii cant get 20k no more.. ENbros..

>>13660559
Too much of a mogging.

HoloEN at least has some numbers they can use to win.

NijiEN doesn't even have that. They can't even reach 10k CCV collectively.

>>13660542
But there's a lot of metrics that can be numberfagged about and there's no proper way to weight any of them?
>>13660559
Too much unless you kick the top 10s from JP then EN stands a chance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEyIsIN8qe4

friend with more shiny hunt

>>13660546
>in 2021
Ah yes, just have to nitpick so that we only look at the period of time after Youtube halved Gura's monthly CCV so that Pekora wins.

>>13660238
>believing keyfabe
Retardchama...

>>13660546

>>13660338
Nice try nijisister

>>13660546
>Kiara and Sana are Roboco level
Baffling post

>>13660616
>spitting EN vs JP even further to EN vs EN
AnyColor please, save us all and get your head in the game

>>13660344
Probably the same larping niji.

>>13660710
That's not EN vs EN though. Just that EN defenders just so happen to ignore Council when numberfagging.
Myth is arguably one of the strongest gen in Hololive. Not EN as a whole.

>>13660663
>B-B-But the cull! Youtube is targeting EN! (Not JP though for...reasons)
Do we have to go through this cope every single time? There is no evil plot to halve ENs CCV while leaving every other stream untouched. They're all on the exact same playing field. If adblock users are getting culled they're getting culled on every stream, the comparisons are completely fair no matter how you spin it and EN is nowhere even close to being able to compete with the top JP holos. Period.

>somehow loops to CCV and VODs
Buy ropes.

>>13660761
The cull is different depending on region, best proof is that Gura was cut from 40k to 20k while Pekora was only cut from 40k to 30k.

>>13660671
>Only 3 ENs are past 10k on median peak
Fucking hell, it's worse than I thought.

>>13660546
1. Pekora
2. Miko
3. Gura
4. Marine
5. Subaru
6. Rushia

That is just based on your rankings. I think putting Subaru ahead of Miko is insane. Miko gets higher averages compared to Subaru while also streaming a ton more hours. Marine also streams even less hours than Gura. I'm not even a 35p but I have an extremely high opinion of Miko since she puts up such high averages while streaming so many hours. In a lot of ways she is like Pekora Lite. She does all the same shit Pekora does but to slightly less numbers but those slightly less numbers are still extremely strong.

>>13660811
>only 1 gen 5 is past 10k on median peak
Ahahahaha

>>13660756
kek council was so abysmal that the schizo decide to ignore them

>>13660761
No matter how much you cope, Gura is still only behind Pekora and Marine in 2021 >>13660671

Please any company that can at least compete with Hololive, this is hilariously retarded arguments pitting the same company members LMAO

WATCH OUT HOLOBROS!!
NIJINIGGERS ARE GOING FULL SEETHING MODE, PITTING HOLOCHAD AGAINTS EACH OTHER!! I REPEAT NIJINIGGERS ARE ON FULL SEETHING MODE RIGHT NOW!!!

>>13660844
oh nooo gura is behind JP vtuber.. EN your #1 claim?

Numbers thread once again derailing due to larping nijis.

Despite all the EN vs JP vs whatever the fuck, Holochads still winning?

>>13660663
Ah yes, you can only rest on old achievements but not perform in the current format. Gura has been increasing in subs at a rate double or more for the last year compared to any other talent. Still her ccv has struggled to increase. With those increases it should be easy to keep a 30k+ median every month regardless of the cull that happens. The sad fact is that gura subs don't watch her live and it's questionable how many watch her vods.

>>13660875
>dead subs cope again

>>13660844
Oh? Lets see hours watched for the year

>>13660778
Please give me some too, perhaps if I rope I'll wake up later when the timeloops have finished.

>>13660853
>debuting along with two bugs
I feel bad for rosemi

>>13660761
Isn't adblock usage a factor in the ccv culling? If so then it makes sense for the JPs to be less affected since Japan has one of the lower adblock usage rates in the world. I also remember seeing a Gura minecraft stream before and after the December algo change that pretty much slashed her ccv in half but all other metrics like views, likes, and stream time were the same.

Not even at bump limit and the thread is full of timelooped lies.

>>13660816
>Marine also streams even less hours than Gura

She still gets more watch hours and average ccv no?

>>13660500
>Those are fantastic numbers.
Are you literally a 2view or something? How can anyone think that 5k is good?

>>13660867
So are you going to concede on these claims?
>>13660546
>>Hololive powerlevel goes:
>>Pekora
>>Marine
>>Subaru
>>Miko
>>Rushia
>>Gura

>then a massive gap to the rest. Kiara and Sana are Roboco level.
>>13660761
>EN is nowhere even close to being able to compete with the top JP holos. Period.

>>13660429
Saruel, she's a 4k ish ccv vtuber. I don't think there's any other indie that comes close

>>13660790
People just got bored of Gura and had better things to do. Occams razor.

>>13660531
just proves schizo is ID

>>13660872
If they weren't winning the thread wouldn't be in the current state it's in. In all seriousness though, I actually don't want Hololive to become too dominant. Nijisanji is still holding on, but if they slip any further Holo won't have a competitor strong enough to keep them on their toes and it could make them complacent.

>>13660260
Cultural expansion. SK pretty much is outpacing Japan in tech, which also allows them to export their pop culture products more readily. It doesn't help that Japan is eternally in recession because they can't unlearn their retarded work culture.

>>13660929
because there is no silver and bronze candidate other than pekora and subaru, gosh wish EN could earn some gold this month

>>13660928
Don't be, she's a backstabbing bitch so she might as well be a chink in spirit if not by blood

>>13660994
Actual brain rot

>>13660756
This, myth is strong but it's dragged down by the failure that is council.

>>13660941
>Gura behind Mori
What the fuck am I reading?

>>13661032
Did you know that even with the explosion of kpop, japan is still the 2nd biggest music market in the world thats why kpop company can't stop sending their group in japan.

>>13661002
I mean it seems like an own goal for your argument doesn't it? Even if we use your preferred metric and I put Gura a few ranks up it means the rest of EN gets absolutely fucking mogged by Botan, Shion and fucking AYAME of all people. I'm willing to concede and let Gura go up to #3 if it means you have to admit that the rest of EN can't even compete with Kanata or Shion, who are 2nd string JPs.

>>13660930
It is, the difference is probably like 5-15% more culling, but we dont have hard numbers and different firms report different numbers, so....
It's not as big of a difference that it's 10% vs 50%, but again, we can't accurately pin what the actual percents are so it's just best to say that Yt CCV is fucked and better to stick to trends for actual meaningful numbers instead of day-to-day bullshit.

>>13661002
>Kiara and Sana are Roboco level.
There's numbers right there blindchama, you overestimate Robocco
>>13661021
ID can only compete with their fellow midget NijiEN.

>>13661002
are you gonna concede EN #1 claim ?

>>13661105
So are you going to concede on these claims?
>>13660546
>Hololive powerlevel goes:
>>Pekora
>>Marine
>>Subaru
>>Miko
>>Rushia
>>Gura

>then a massive gap to the rest. Kiara and Sana are Roboco level.
>>13660761
>EN is nowhere even close to being able to compete with the top JP holos. Period.

>>13660872
Hololive is winning so much that nijis isn't even worth talking about.

>>13660889
I mean, it's proven that HoloEN employs bots you know.

>>13661117
>There's numbers right there blindchama, you overestimate Robocco
Can you not read? I was quoting ENschizo

>>13661096
How much of that revenue is circulate within their domestic market tho?

>>13661117
holoID are more important to Cover than nijiEN is to anycolor tho?

Am I in /jp/?

>>13661142
I've already said I'll concede and let Gura go up to #3 if you concede that the rest of EN can't even compete with HoloJPs 2nd string. Do we have a deal?

As for:
>EN is nowhere even close to being able to compete with the top JP holos. Period.
Your own data proves this claim is correct retard, Gura is the only one even close the rest are way back in the middle of the pack at best.

>>13661226
Any argument ignoring the fact that EN suffers more from the adblock cull is disingenuous and nitpicking to push an agenda.

>>13660941
So Mori, Gura, Irys and Kiara is carrying EN from the past weeks? And council is in the 20 below...

>>13661219
The same schizos are here because jp stop biting their bait so we might as well be

are these fucks really taking this discussion seriously?
or just trolls trolling each other

How long before lolicunny surpasses Fauna and Bae? Later today?

>Pekora with 37k again

>>13657841
It's already spoiled by youtube, kanaria's eye

>>13660816
Its wierd. People seem anxious to place other holos ahead of Miko and I don't get it. As soon as Subaru started hitting 20k on a regular basis people started saying "OMG she is bigger than Miko!!". Miko has been hitting 20k for over a freaking year. Her average is higher than Subaru, her stream hours are higher than Subaru, her superchats are higher than Subaru. Yet people are already declaring Subaru as surpassing Miko. Fucking insane. Miko is #2 behind Pekora and only Marine has an argument for being higher than her but I can't do it due to her low streaming hours (same reason for Gura actually).

>>13661258
>Any argument ignoring the fact that EN suffers more from the adblock cull
This has always been EN cope to deal with the fact they've been reclining and I've never seen a single shred of evidence to the contrary.

>>13661226
>Your own data proves this claim is correct retard, Gura is the only one even close the rest are way back in the middle of the pack at best.
So an EN can compete with top JP holos then? Why did you have to drag this out if that's the case?
Still waiting for you to provide proof for or concede about Roboco being Kiara/Sana level

>>13661264
Wow, almost like council is full of lazy failures or something

I admit, anything Koreans put out these days is much better than Japanese stuff. Heck, even Manhwa are read more than Manga now. Korea know Japan is too prideful with their culture, so if they want to surpass Japan, the one way is to use super soft power. The only reason I still ollow JP culture is vtubers nowadays.

>>13661176
Roboco is in JP

>>13661322
>Heck, even Manhwa are read more than Manga now
Number?

>>13660889
it's that simple. since the start of 2021 she has gained 1.8 million subscribers. Her median in January was 25534, her current median in November is 21383. -19 % in median but 50 % more subscribers. Even if we use her best month for the year May, median 27237, that's only and increase of ~7 %. With a sub increase of 50 % she should have a way higher increase then that. What do you call that if not dead subs?

>>13661197
I don't know about that but this is the list.

The ranking is based on retail value (rather than units) each market generates respectively per year; retail value generated by each market varies from year to year.

China
$ 29.2 million

Brazil
$ 29.58 million

Australia
$ 41.2 million

Canada
$ 43.7 million

South Korea
$ 49.44 million

ALSO READ: Covid-19: India exceeds threshold of 4,000 deaths per day

France
$ 92.5 million

UK
1.31 billion dollars

Germany
1.32 billion dollars

Japan
2.7 billion dollars

America
5.9 billion dollars.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/groundreport.in/top-10-music-markets-in-the-world/amp/

>>13661287
would be hilarious if hers mogging towa's

>>13661320
>So an EN can compete with top JP holos then?
No, Gura can't really compete with Marine or Pekora. She's a distant third at best and she is a massive outlier and can hardly be used to justify the performance of EN as a whole. Remember the claim was that EN is the most popular branch of Hololive and that's clearly false by any metric because even if I conceded that Gura is #1 the rest of EN are so far behind that Gura can't possibly pull them up. The fact Gura obviously ISN'T #1 and instead a distant 3rd just means your argument cannot be justified at all.

>>13661322
sir this is the numbers thread not /pol/ or /jp/

Dammit Pekora ended the fight to quickly and just missed 38k

>>13661354
Yeah, so the whole Hololive use bots the. In the caae of Roboco, she definitely use sub-botting program as well since her CCV is way too low compared to her sub count. This also applies to Aki, Matauri and Choco as well. I hope Youtube can do something about this.

>>13661382
Those subs factor into her absurd VOD growth and crazy song views. Not everybody is going to tune into her live stream while its happening. Fucking hell you are fucking dumb. This shit has been discussed a million times and you are still too stupid to realize it. You are an idiot. Really stupid. Low IQ tard.

>>13661382
It's pointless anon. EN fans can't do numbers and just spin conspiracy theories about the Youtube illuminati keeping Guras numbers down for nefarious reasons.

>>13661446
>missing the joke

>>13661382
Damn, that's one of the best comeback I've seen here.

>>13661408
>still won't concede that Gura can compete with top JP holos, even being above Miko
>still won't provide proof for or concede about Roboco being Kiara/Sana level
Hilarious

>>13661382 (me)
even more, sub increase is 100 % not 50 %, dur dur

>>13661383
Indonesia?

>>13661457
It's even worse because Gura is the only thing En really have, everyone else is a midget or

>>13659878
>mega collab
kek

>>13661489
>still won't concede that Gura can compete with top JP holos, even being above Miko
She really can't. She gets mogged by Pekora so hard to claim that Gura can "compete" with Pekora is an insult to Pekora. Also the fact you're so desperate to use Gura as a stand in for EN is hilarious. What happened to Mori, Ina, Ame and Kiara? They don't exist? Is Gura synonymous with EN now?

>>13661382
>>13661482
>samefagging ENschizo

>>13661446
>This also applies to Kiara and Ame

>>13660994
Numberrotted brain is a sad condition to see.

I feel like a lot of people here also overestimate Gura's membership number as well. She definitely does not have the most members though, I've seen Marine and Miko having more members in their mengen than Gura. Even the VODs for those member streams have higher numbers too.

>>13661383

The thing with Japan is that they have high purchase power (Also because their shit is expensive asf), so their domestic market alone should be enough to contribute to a large portion of that number, but that doesn't mean they have high expansion outside of Japan
Like, fuck, just consider how allergic they are to digital products ...
>ALSO READ: Covid-19: India exceeds threshold of 4,000 deaths per day
Damn IN, keep your shit together, it's always you guys and Africa

>>13661489
>ahead of Miko
No! The only person ahead of Miko is Pekora. People constantly seem to undermine how crazy Miko's numbers are with her streaming hours. I am a Gura booster though and place her at 3rd even ahead of Marine so don't mistake me for a hater. I just really respect the high averages Miko maintains while streaming so many hours.

Is ENschizo trying to push for Miko being a 2nd stringer now? Just because Gura is above her and Gura obviously can't be top tier even among JP Holos?

>>13661516
Pretty much. Just an endless cycle.
>But muh Gura!
Point out that Gura's CCV is way below Marine and Pekora
>But muh Youtube cull
Point out there's no valid reason to believe it disproportionately affects EN
>But muh VOD views
The cope just never fucking ends.

Listen. Hololive English is far less popular than JP. This is fact. Stop coping.

>>13661540
>Is Gura synonymous with EN now?
I mean who else are they gonna use, council? Kek

>>13661540
ENschizo ignored council anon.. of course he gonna ignore the deadweight as well

>>13661569
Until you write a script that is able to scrap chatlogs and give an estimate on memberships, we're going to stick with the April 2021 chart.

>>13661540
>still won't concede that Gura can compete with top JP holos, even being above Miko
>still won't provide proof for or concede about Roboco being Kiara/Sana level
*Yawn*

Suisei Phony cover
444k - 24HRS
https://youtu.be/N029UUlH1Dc

The more I see it, the less I feel confident about HoloEN existing in the long run, maybe 3-4 years top. It's unsustainable.

Nice fuckfest orgy of schizos we have here.
Too bad kneelposters can't kneel when Holos destroy Nijis so much.

>>13661550
honestly, you are just a sad excuse for a human.

>>13661670
Nice inspect element

>>13661639
Please, don't be blind or stupid.

>>13659811
I don't think she's gonna take a rest at all

She's been hinting at something big towards her birthday

I thought numbers thread is considering all metrics not just a particular one? or this is filled with samefagging schizo and force discussions?

>>13661665
j-just wait till winter Marika!! and New Year on Niji main channel!!

Alright faggots, I come bearing gifts from the world outside that might be of interest to actual numberchads.

I present to you, voice ore, quite possibly one of the worst vtuber companies still in business
>they debuted 3 vtubers claiming they are not vtubers but voice actors in training
>2 of them with Nabi designs, one with a different one
>they were told to unarchive the streams and keep them on their channel in a playlist
>they struggled to reach 20k subs
>nowadays they have ~30 viewers
>they also debuted a second gen that is so obscure even the first gen doesn't know about them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhsR4i10wsU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ups1nPbRDS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RpBB1eHkqA

Shiranui kensetsu collab in minecraft after Lui's debut, with a disney mod?

>>13661702
I mean when is nijijp debuting a new wave?

>>13661700
>or this is filled with samefagging schizo and force discussions
Yes that's the main purpose of this thread. Numbers are secondary.

>>13661700
See >>13660060

>>13661700
schizos focus only on CCV because they can use the fake Youtube numbers to construct a false narrative that EN isn't as popular if not more popular than JP

>>13661659
Why would it stop existing though? Are you implying that the overhead is going to exceed revenue? Or just that Cover will get bored. I definitely think the bubble has popped and Cover would be wise to stop expanding the EN side, but I doubt maintenance costs them much. It's not like Cover does anything for them anyways and a couple of them print money.

>>13661730
Yep. Split POVs, shill stream, Minecraft needs a break, Shiraken collab too often. Not that interesting imo.

>>13661700
And who's the most rounded Holo?
>>13661725
It's still in business? kek.

>>13661788
That's too many words for a shitty doompost

>>13661730
>split POV
The bane of all numberfags

So is there anything in this thread worth reading or is it just schizo shit?

>>13661788
I think you're replying to the traditional ENschizo

>>13661778
Your own fucking numbers support that narrative you fucking retard! Where are the majority of EN on this chart? >>13660671

I can't for bird wing head girl to debut, I can't wait for council to be mogged once more

>>13661385
It'll obviously mogs towa's, what are you talking about

>>13661846
Just schizo shit and the winner for today is already decided. There will be nothing worth looking at here for a while with gen 6 debuting.

>>13661846
Just start reading the thread when Lui debuts.

>>13661700
The key to having a good time here is to learn which posts to ignore.
You'll quickly realize most of the posts here are from disingenuous fucktards and skim pass them until you find someone genuinely interested in numbers discussion.

>>13661807
Technically. It even has a second gen, even though you wouldn't know about them even if you followed the talents because their only announcements was a twitter post and one of them wasn't even listed in there

>>13661846
Niji isn't a viable competition anymore, it is inevitable at this point

>>13661700
schizos focus only on subscribers because they can use the fake Youtube numbers to construct a false narrative that JP isn't as popular if not more popular than Gura

Any news about the MC School Festival that Miko talked about? I'm dying to watch another MC event.

>>13661807
>And who's the most rounded Holo?
I think Moona is pretty fucking round.

>>13661730
It's a DLC map for Minecraft overworlds. Sponsored? No permissions issues because Disney gave MC the go-ahead for this DLC so it falls under standard MC permissions I'm guessing.

>>13661846
you can block them, is what I do

"schizo" just lost it's meaning...

>>13661639
NTA, but I actually did it. I just don't think those numbers are worth posting here since they are no more than bare floor for Holo's memberships.
(My little script was simply going through the public chat logs and looked for YT unique ID that did one of the followings during a stream: joined / upgraded membership, sent any chat message, sent any SC, or sent any member-only monthly message)

>>13661900
I hope it's not profitable and they graduate and their suffering ends.
>>13661909
Doubt. Maybe in half a year.

I hope Lui actually is proficient with EN and will have some EN streams on EN "prime time", so we can finally really tell if the theory that most EN audience are the type to not turn up for streams but will check out the vods be true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTb_AvLchgY

>>13661858
>has it pointed out that schizos are tunneling in on CCV because it's the easiest metric to shitpost with thanks to Susan fuckery
>tries to use a CCV table as a counter argument
you're not very smart are you schizo

>>13661846
Just wait for the number orgy when Lui debuts.
/#/ has been extra shit these days because Holos have been dominating too hard in November that people need to invent enemies to fight.

>>13661700
Schizos only focus on numbers because it hurts my feelings to think EN aren't as popular as JP

>>13661953
yup but it's "its"

>>13661700
Schizos only focus on numbers because it hurts my feelings to think JP aren't as popular as EN

>>13661997
We could be talking about smaller agencies and indies, but no instead we just need someone to fight because this is apparently the tribal war thread and not numbers

>>13661972
The same speculation happened with Polka. She also had a lot of English tweets which made people think she had some English proficency, and you can see how that turned out. I wouldn't get my hopes up, but it'd be a pleasant surprise.

>>13662003
>EN used to dominate every single number including CCV
>Youtube fucks with CCV
>EN now dominates in every single number except for CCV
>n-n-no EN is less popular than JP it must be so because of CCV

>>13661975
Laplus is already at 339k. Tick tock Fauna and Bae, cunny is going to surpass you in less than 48 hours.

>>13661972
It's interesting that about half of EN are proficient in Japanese while the only JP who can speak relatively coherent english is Haachama.

Anyone know why Flare is releasing Covers of songs that multiple Holos have already done before? The views are obviously gonna be so shit.

>>13661975
I find the likelyhood that she paid for that herself slim since she was basically a 2 view before this. So cover is now paying for a cover for some(all?) talent when they debut in jp?

>>13661846
Some charts were posted that show that Nijisanji has been in decline across ALL branches since the end of the summer, while Hololive has upticked in Sept/Oct after a weak August. It's....yea, it's been bad ever since because there's no easy Niji vs Holo shitposting, so it's devolved into various forms of Holo vs Holo shitposting, which gets especially shitposty because a few Anons are samefagging and relying to badfaith arguments on purpose to stir more shit.
Its gonna be bad for at least the next week imo.

There will be a Splatoon collab for HoloEN.

>>13662076
Laplus benefited from having a quick debut, if you squeezed Council's debuts into the same day as their channel reveal they'd be on par or greater than Laplus's numbers.

>>13662003
>>13662034
>posts like these
>>13662044
How new? And well tbf you'll only get mentioned here if you have extremely shit numbers for a big company or extremely good numbers
Indies and small corpos aren't worth discussing or keeping track of at all
>>13662058
I'm just going to politely point out that EN does not win in SCs.

>>13662058
>EN now dominates in every single number except for CCV
Does it though? I mean I can understand why ENfags might want to pretend Council doesn't exist but they're still there and getting the mogging of a lifetime from Laplus

>>13662088
Because Japanese is the superior languague. Tenno Heika Banzai

>>13662104
Are you high? Council debuted 3 months ago and Laplus is on place to surpass 3/5 of them in less than 48 hours. You better not give the pruned subs excuse, anyone that cared just subbed back

>>13662123
SCs aren't a measure of popularity but a gauge of how much you can exploit your simps, bringing up in a discussion of popularity is just attempting to make an argument in bad faith.

>>13659303
who are they?

>>13662175
>popularity
You cant actually numberfag popularity, only a speculation of it via available metrics.
The post said "every single number", so I pointed out that it wasn't "every single number", that's it. Morals don't matter here.

>>13662095
Moona said that Cover now has a budget whenever a holo want to release an orisong so now is not that expensive for them

>>13662173
Yeah no Laplus is only growing so fast because she combined the channel reveal buff and the debut buff on the same day, also skipping past all the sub pruning in the meantime. Council would've grown at a similar rate to her if they had the same buffs.

>>13660385
Isn't she at 2k ccv? Dunno she peaks higher than that, maybe only for some bigger events.

>>13662126
I love how enfags now try really hard to pretend that council doesn't exist.

>>13662095
Yes just to make Kiara seethe

>>13662207
Pretty sure you can numberfag popularity.

Use subs, # of clips, and clip VODS.

No one wants to numberfag subs for some reason, and the clips metrics are too hard to numberfag.

>>13661385
after laplus had the biggest debut in vtuber history if this girl's cover doesn't mog Towa's in seconds, it would be bad.

>>13661846
Only oricon posts.

>>13662123
NTA but isn't Mori top 10 in total SC numbers or are you gonna ignore it too because it's not top 1?

>>13662103
Also if they want to hold pokemon tournament, they have to do it before JP tournament is over

>>13662226
What a loads of bullshit. Face it Laplus has mogged Sana and will mog both Fauna and Bae by the end of the day all in less of 48 hours

What went wrong with NijiEN? Even with manjisanji carrying them, they can't reach 10k.

Jokes aside, why isn't anyone talking more about Petra almost reaching 10k? That's an achievement for NijiEN.

It would be funny if Cover decides to scrap Council. That would be a PR disaster for Hololive for sure, similar to the Vshojo doxx stuff right now.

>>13662299
What caused Mori's SC numbers to recover? I remember them starting off astronomically high and then eventually taking a nose dive. Surprised to hear she's ahead of Gura and Kiara again.

>>13662331
Petra is finally tired of being made fun of, so she's now trying to become an actual Gura killer.

>>13662275
>No one wants to numberfag subs for some reason
Because then Kizuna AI would be the 2nd most popular vtuber in the world at the moment and that's clearly not true. Number of subs ignores current performance. Look at Gura for example, highest subbed member in Hololive by far but she can't compete with Pekora in number of viewers.

>>13662327
Than

>>13662331
I thought Mayuzumi was fairly popular so it shouldn't be surprising?

Alright call me retarded if (You) must but aren't sub cullings not that bad since all the ones that care would re-sub anyway which would make their sub count normal again?

>>13662275
>subs
No one will deny that Gura is the most popular chubba in the world. What's to argue about? 2nd places?
>clips and clip VODs
You may start, because it sounds like a horribly painful thing to numberfag.
>>13662299
He said dominate but fair enough. However >>13657413

>>13662331
It wasn't her fanbase that got her to 9k

>>13662213
But that's a cover

>>13662331
cause that was not an achievement, that was just niji males carrying deadweights as always

>>13662332
Yeah, it will never happen but I would love to see the council's reaction to being fired over their failure.

>>13662103
Ina team will win
next

Kek Rushia is doing a stream where she just watches her fans fight for her amusement

>>13662419
>firing "failures"
I hope they fire Ayame for being crippled.

>>13662392
Yeah, but councilfags need the cope to try and make their girls less of a failure.

>>13662399
That's the point of having collabs with your senpais anon, their fans will trickle down to yours. Also why a collab ban early on is counterproductive when the livers will want to be doing as much collabs with more established chuubas as possible so that they can leech some viewers while they're still fresh.

>>13662411
is it? I have no idea but if that's the case then it shouldn't be that expensive a lot of indies could afford it

>>13662419
You need to reach the failure of holo CN to warrant a scrubbing, they are nowhere near that level

>>13662444
She still gets good number too. Kek

>>13662360
recover from what? She always have a high SC numbers among EN, of course some JP still mogged her but she is always at the top because of her music and usual gachi's

>>13662366
That's why I also added # of clips and clip VODs.

You can probably also consider their highest ever CCV in current year for their ceiling of popularity.

Like it or not, there is a sizable clipwatcher culture out there for everyone, not just EN. We should numberfag those too.

>>13662205
Japanese ambassador to the US, his aide and escorts

>>13662465
Covers are a lot cheaper than originals for obvious reasons.

>>13662123
Anon, they don't win out on Views / month either. They lose on a lot of metrics that chumbuds don't want to admit exists. En has a higher subscriber rate, no discussion there. Gura has a high ceiling (who would have though with 3.6 million) and Gura wins out on average views / video. Cali has the most viewed song.
But in consistency and aggregate they lose out every time.

>>13662104
Councilkek... not like this..

>>13662419
It's actually amazing that the whole generation is such a flop filled with talentless hacks. And the only one with a modicum of talent doesn't give a fuck and is too lazy to capitalize on it.

>>13660649
welp, this is probably gonna take bronze and maybe silver

>>13662463
Here's a nijikek with their trickle down theory again.

>>13662444
Actually good content. Fans gets to fight in front of their oshi, prove themselves and earn her recognition.
>>13662498
>peak CCV
Hajime. Case closed.
Clips though, how do you numberfag clips? Surely there's no sites for that.

>>13662093
She's always slow to trends

>>13662493
Like I said her SC numbers started getting bad for a while and was consistently around Gura level and behind Kiara. Just seems like they've recovered somewhat.

>>13662508
>comparing aggregate numbers for holos with 3-4 year old channels to a newbie 1 year old channel which hasn't as much time to build up a large archive
That's as good as admitting you've lost. Try comparing Gura's aggregate VODs to holos who debuted around the same time like gen 5.

Fubuki with 24k already

>>13662540
What about Hajime?

Also, then just numberfag highest CCV for a solo non event stream then for their ceiling for popularity.

>>13661293
Miko is stalling, and her fans overlap so much with other holo especially Pekora

hololive is legit gonna win the rest of this month and maybe the first week of December. can we talk about midgets and speculate their growth? or maybe see if there's a pattern with cover's scouting?

>>13662578
Hajime's biggest stream of his life was that 30k something 3D debut. That represents absolutely fucking nothing of his popularity.

>>13662527
I legitimately wonder what the fuck were their scouting team thinking.

>>13662540
You can always scrape the Yt video tags for clips. It's not impossible, but given the sheer amount of clips that sounds like a whole lot of time to come to one conclusion: Gura clips rule the goddamn clipscene, and her algorithm weight helps drive Hololive in the algo and is also part of the reason why she gets so many goddamn subs.

>>13662393
>Gura
>most popular Vtuber
>can't beat Pekora, Marine and Miko CCV
Rumao. Chumpedo hands wrote this post

>>13662556
>Try comparing Gura's aggregate VODs to holos who debuted around the same time like gen 5.
Why only Gura? Why not compare EN to Gen 5 as a whole?

Oh. Oh right.

>>13662594
how about waiting after all holox debut? we still don't know if the other 4 were indies

>>13662392
It's still tank their momentum by quite a lot.
Also it doesn't help that councils are just a bunch or unambitious whores

>>13662399
9k is 9k
just like baelz cant get 20k without myth or jp senpai interaction

>>13662588
How is Miko stalling? This is her strongest month in a long time.

>>13662594
>pattern with cover's scouting?

Long time content creators.

Niche talent that doesn't overlap with the rest of their genmates or the most recent gen.

One of them is always a gamble (someone with no easily traceable history of content creating, or someone not popular.)

Voice must not be out of place for the model.

Most importantly, all of them must have personalities that do not seriously conflict with preexisting talents.

>>13662663
still can get more alone than the other two together

>>13662631
Gen 5 still get mogged hard considering their month's headstart

>>13662614
Maybe something like this
>Myth was stressed with numbers as they were unexpectedly successful
>Our next gen should be full of anti numberfags
or something.
>>13662619
Gura definitely rules the clip scene overall, but it'll change according to what's the shiny new toy as of now of course.
>>13662627
Popularity in the most simplest form. Kizuna Ai is also immensely popular despite having shit metrics nowadays

>>13662556
Aggregate in a month you retard. And why would you compare a channel that has 3.6 million subs with Botan at 1.1 million? Are you really that retarded since you're basically saying "yea but don't compare with Pekora, compare with Botan who is in number 24 in subs". Or do you think that aggregate only means from the debut? are you really that dumb?

>>13662419
>>13662332
>>13662527
>>13662614
>>13662639
Holy fucking samefag, chill the fuck out

>>13662594
>can we talk about midgets and speculate their growth?
We could talk about how long it will take for Laplus to mog the rest of the council, I'm betting 4 or 5 hours for Fauna and Bae, another day or two for Mumei and beginning of December for Kronii.

>>13662606
It does actually, compared to the 3d debuts this year. Numbers are all relative.

>>13662594
there's still Nun Bora graduation holokek...

>>13662527
I won't call them talentless, especially kronii, sana, and mumei. They're just lazy/don't know what they're doing it makes me so fucking mad

>>13662715
On how many have a big enough hate boner to watch his shit? Maybe.
He did get a scrapegoat to sit on the lowest Niji 3D debut of all time though so that's something.

>>13661730
most likely gonna catch most of the tourist funnel due to the mouse

>>13662123
>Indies and small corpos aren't worth discussing or keeping track of at all
They absolutely are, we almost got completely blindsided by the troubles re:act are going through and how that lead to one of them jumping ship over to hololive because nobody talks about anything other than Holo and niji here. There's actual developments out there that would give us a greater understanding on the state of the industry if anyone would actually discuss them.

>>13662736
Do you really think it can win the day when JP6 just released?

>>13662762
Cover debuted Laplus yesterday because Hajime bribed them to do so

>>13662736
is funny how she got a lot of likes and retweets with her graduation announcement but barely no one is watching her last streams

>Fubuki 32k get

Suisei's phony after 24 hours and 40 minutes

>>13661730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuXYIBoqHm4

>>13662779
Tbh, this is actually /tribalism/ first and /numbers/ second.

The numbers are mostly there just for the narrative of tribalposters.

Also, it's just an unfortunate consequence of being unpopular, no one talks about them. Even NijiEN barely gets talked about nowadays.

It's all Holo vs Holo because Holo is popular.

But QRD on Re:Act.

>>13662779
>jumpship
A literal hobo with some personality can join Holo and get good numbers. Not to say that Cover would do that.
>development
I'm sure as hell La+'s recruit has nothing to do with her past life numbers.
Might as well just predict
>which midget will join Hololive next
>>13662824
She got like 7k for her zatsudan stream after the announcement. After that... nothing.

>>13662678
>This is her strongest month in a long time.
Because Sports Fest

>>13662695
They lose even harder if you look at aggregate in a month, also Botan had more hype and a higher debut viewership/sub count than Gura but look at her now.

Cover's recruiting is so unpredictable sometimes. But they always deliver.

>>13662691
And that's why you're a faggot. CCV is the simplest form of popularity - it actually shows how many people actually show up to watch your streams

>>13662864
Pretty unreal that her Shiny hunting/zatsus are actually inclining after the first stream.
Word is catching on (eventho it's likely that when she does fish a shiny magikarp, it'll be off-stream)

>>13662912
>they always deliver
>gen 5

>>13662912
>But they always deliver.
Council disagree.

>>13662824
how's that funny, she's fucking graduating and all niji and apexfags' reaction was just "thats too bad". holy mother of tourists, just dont interact instead of faking shit

>>13662912
But not Sana. She's doesn't even have a "thing" going for her that contributes to Hololive's popularity spread in any meaningful way, and self sabotaging for better gachis means jack shit.
>>13662928
Kizuna Ai. Same shit.
No one watches her live but she's immensely popular.

>>13662889
She would still easily be #2 for the month even without sports fest. Try again anti.

>>13662779
There's no problems in Re:Act though? People jump ship from the company all the time - heck one of them streamed once and then fucked right off

La+ was inactive for almost a year now; her moving to Holo doesn't indicate that her old company had issues

>>13662937
>>13662946
oh shit gen 5 and council schizo are fucking

>>13662898
Make it a top 10 JP vs EN. Since you are arguing that EN > JP in views/month, not that EN > gen 5 Oh wait. that wouldn't fit your narrative. Or are you that gen 5 schizo?

>>13662961
>too bad you are graduating
>here have a pity like
lmao

>>13662975
And you're just further proving that Subs are a useless metric and shouldn't be used to determine which Chuubas are the most popular

>>13662912
>always deliver
council.. anya..

>>13662685
>One of them is always a gamble
who do you think fills this role in each gen?

Imma let the schizos fight each other. Let's talk about NijiID, how are they compared to Maha5?

Is Maha5 still even relevant?

since when did we have a council schizo?

>>13663075
Ame in myth, Bae in failuregen.

>>13663081
Since the announcement

>>13663081
During/after La+ debut

>>13662594
Hololive is winning next month too

>>13663081
Person shitting up the thread is just a Niji baiting because they got blown out yesterday.