/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

obligatory nux drama post

Some scrapped alt designs for Zen before going with the new one she's using

Tomorrow will be an... interesting day

Reminder, do not talk about N-word

>>13587789
okay, my Nyagga

Kinda cool for nyanners to manipulate the community into expelling the jewish guy from it, its like she never left here.

>>13587788
Yeah, new DnD session and Vei will spend it all fishing

>>13587788
Indeed, there's a hololive debut!

>>13587631
>>13587729

The "Middle Manager fucked up" scenario here seems like the most likely thing at this point, which if he did, I imagine his ass is going to be grass and mulched by the Girls. Like we are talking like career over kinda shit, they wouldn't trust this guy again.

I don't think we're gonna watch another movie with nyan. She probably saw the apology tweet

Snuffy's bazongas

nuuuuuuxxxxxx nnnnNNNNNNNNNUUUUUUUUUUXXXXXXXXXX NNNNUUUUUUUUUUU UXXXXXXXXXXXXXX AAAIIIIEEEE

>>13587910
Well it's a likely scenario if both sides are telling the truth. There's also the possibility that Nux is lying out his ass

>>13587932
GoPro stream all the way to Nux's house. Violence Nyanners is on the move.

>>13587789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uvJzr0zZvk

>>13587910
I hope it isn't. It's the safest way to solve this: by blaming some literal who. I want to them crucify Nux.

>>13587910
you're acting like vshojo is a paragon of communicating with their clients

>>13588085
Yes, yes he literally is.

>>13587910
I don't really see it as the most likely, only a possibility. "Everyone" asking him to stop was the claim.

>>13588037
>There's also the possibility that Nux is lying out his ass
That is definitely still a possibility. Like that apology was flimsy enough that if even one of them, if not multiple, have screenshots, his ass is turbo done. That said regardless of if this gets pushed further or not (I don't think it will at this point), we are at a point where you won't see Vshojo having any association with Nux anymore.

Silver is very cute

>raided by Snuffy a couple times
>also met her in VR Chat
>knows Criken, who is friends with Layna

HE'S IN

>>13588188
>he

>>13587782
Did she say who drew these? That coat on the left looks like the one Froot has in her official promo art.

>>13588114
is this one of those sock puppets that can also be used as a onahole?

>>13588297
Zen's been having designs done by KuroiEnpitsu since the Halloween one. I like their style a lot. https://twitter.com/KuroiEnpitsu/status/1464037112378920978

Anyway schedule time: Who cares.m Silver's the only one live right now. Watch her fuck around in Genshin if you want a VShojo. https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Mouse said she might appear later, but if she becomes aware of that Nux shit I could see that "i'll be back" becoming a "we won't hear from her again until tomorrow"

So for tomorrow and since I've gotta go do other stuff I'll just copy paste from last thread:

Silver - Family collab with Kon Zetsu and Mamavale. I'm actually not sure what they'll be playing. Schedule doesn't say.
DND - Pretty sure this is still on. Vei, Froot, Nyan, Haruka, and maybe finally Snuffy will be around.

If this thread dies overnight then I'll be long gone so someone else will need to make the next one. Thanks and have a great night /vsj+/

None of the proof Nux provided shows that he was given permission, he was explicitly advised to not post the video.

And he decided to use those images as "proof", what a retard.

>>13587910
Most likely scenario. This image confirms it. Nyan and everyone probably spoke with gunRun who asked this retard to relay it to Nux, and he fucked up. And I hate this probably what happened cuz fuck that dramafag nux

>>13588255
>met her in VR Chat
wait, what? when was this? been watching Vinny for a couple years now and I don't remember this happening

>>13588433
Mamavale posted about it on Twitter, they're playing Surgeon Simulator 2.

>>13588546
It works for mindless fags and antis though
Screencap of big text = win, regardless of what actually written in there

>>13588546
I'm pretty sure if he cropped the convo in a way to make himself look innocent someone will call him out from the management team.

>>13588611
This isn’t an approval though. He literally warped this guy’s words to say he got VSJ’s blessing. They clearly were trying to talk him out of it

https://twitter.com/snuffyowo/status/1464086587394904065
I think Snuffy saw the new holo gen lol

>>13588705
Kind of their fault for using gay corpospeak to not hurt some cunt's feefees

>>13588546
and nothing that the girls have posted show he was told not to by "everyone".

>>13588705
Yeah. You can tell by the guy's language he was trying to be very gentle with him because "screaming at a victim and intimidating them" would be a bad look if it got out. He also could not legally stop Nux from making the video.

>>13588546
if you read the screencaps in the apology video it looks like they first try to talk him out of making the video. my guess is he wasn't going to change his mind about that. so they switch to having him make concessions to try to limit the potential for retaliation and copycats

>>13588745
It's fine she's doing a redesign anyways

>>13588615
RubberRoss organized a VRChat party once and he invited both Snuffy and Vinny, which were both present

>>13588615
RubberRoss invited him to a hangout, Snuffy and Bunny were there. I don't think Vin was streaming it. To be fair I'm not sure how much they interacted since I was just watching Ross' POV

>>13588611
Yeah at this point I assume the message above this he cropped out is a too polite corporate speak way of saying "please don't put out a video that will attract more attention to my clients".

>>13588611
For people that have trouble understanding English, this text means that Nux is advised to not post the video but ultimately they cannot stop him.

This might also not be vshojo but the third-party security guy.

Not approval/permission.

>>13588825
the redesign looks even more similar

>>13588776
Isn't it illegal for a corps to force someone into something that hard though? They probably had to use corpo speak to an extent

>>13588705
I realize there's no way not to sound like an anti while saying this, but if they really didn't want to give permission they should've just said no straight up, or someone like GunRun or Melody should've come into the convo and vetoed it. No matter how you cut it, what ph0enix said was indeed permission, and so far we have no proof that there was anyone other than his brother asking him not to do the video prior to it being uploaded.

>>13588745
>likely reaction is from holo gen unveils
>twitter replies are relaying about nux
If her post is about how one of the new holo peeps has a model that looks like hers, let's not forget that Snuffy's original model was literally a pink cat with her attempting to do a high pitched anime voice.
If it's about the latter, then she should just shut up and go back to moping about her health condition

>>13588934
Don't know if legally it would classify as intimidation but a fucked up enough lawyer could probably try to make that the case that fear of harm could translate to the possibility of getting swatted or something. I don't know I'm not a lawyer but I bet Nux isn't either.

Either way they had no legal way to stop him from making the video.

>>13588851
>>13588886
ah, that makes sense. I don't remember much of that day other than Ross's chat exploding when they saw vinny and hacker together, but that makes sense
moral of the story shipfags are cancer

>>13589058
Damn a new IP is very mad about Hololive's new Snuffy. Wonder what that's all about.

>>13588973
They literally cannot veto his video. Nux has no obligation to listen to any requests from Vshojo regarding anything. He can, for better or worse, post whatever video he wants on YouTube. Vshojo could beg, plead, and demand he not make a video, but he is under no obligation to listen.

>>13588934
They didn't need to force him, they just had to say "the girls literally said they don't want you to do this, WE don't want you to do this. You can do whatever you want but we are not okay with it".
>inb4 but they said that
Yeah the idea is pretty much the same but the retarded politeness and "w-we support victims" shit makes it way more easy for him to claim he got the ok.

>>13588973
>no proof that there was anyone other than his brother asking him not to do the video
if we're actually gonna be fair here, this was only a claim from Nux that he has not backed up with any sort of evidence. that is not proof and could go in any direction still.

>>13588255
link it

Is it over, nux lost?

this art is really good.
https://twitter.com/Nyannyanners/status/1463997323604729858..

>>13588907
Yeah, that's what I mean. He didn't give any approval but didn't ask him not to post completely either. And that is where the miscommunication happened and our girls fucked by blasting him on twitter

>>13589240
no, if anything he's winning. on very flimsy terms, but he is

Anyone else excited for batman Nux's new company after taking down Vshojo?

>>13588973
>No matter how you cut it, what ph0enix said was indeed permission

Please read it again.
Advising him to not release the video is not permission.
Him saying that ultimately it's Nuxs choice is also not permission.

They can't make him not upload the video only advise/tell him not to, which the phoenix guy did in the screenshots.

>>13589160
They can't Veto him but they have other options if they wanted to be turbo cunty, such as copyright/DMCAing any videos with their company's talents in them or in the thumbnails. They also could have filed a community guidelines violation about how the video was potentially doxxing and gotten his channel nuked. Would it have been a bad look? Yeah, but so was this.

This was Vshojo playing nice. The only lesson companies learn from situations like this is to not play nice next time.

>>13589267
Damn so it's over. Pack up the generals. It's all tumbling down from here.

>>13589337
true if large

>>13589178
>>inb4 but they said that
>Yeah the idea is pretty much the same but the retarded politeness and "w-we support victims" shit makes it way more easy for him to claim he got the ok.

That just means that Nux is a retard.

>>13589405
It's so flimsy that if even one girl post receipts showing she asked him not to in private or if Vshojo releases a full chat log, he's off to the shadow realm as far as the Vtuber community goes, so give it 48 hours to see if that happens.

>>13589468
And so is 99% of Twitter. Being ambiguous with retards only invites trouble.

Will there be any apology from any of the girls to Nux? I want one from pink cat but she was smart enough to not directly attack him. Only does that on discord. That crafty pink cat.

>>13588255
where's the link to this and of their interaction?

>>13588611
"We don't have a problem with that" isn't a blessing, but it's not a "no" either.

>>13587861
Nyatasha "Holocaust-er Tycoon" Nyanners doin us proud.

>>13589403
And the reason they probably played nice is because so many of them know him. If he was a nobody they would have been under no obligation to play nice and they've gotten other videos taken down before using DMCA.

>>13589571
He owes them each an apology

>>13589571
https://twitter.com/zentreya/status/1463648964406882306
Did he apologize for this?

>>13589630
The reason they played nice is that he has a big audience of retards who would throw themselves at the girls unless they risk getting cancelled.

>>13589337
is incessantly browsing and caring about 4chan a requirement to be a vtuber? considering she's a zoomer I expected her to not even know what this site is and stick to reddit instead

>>13589630
Individually he is bigger than any of them. He has more weight in the community. Also given he tied his video with his experience of getting swatted, taking it down will give the public to him. Not to mention that he is very experienced with drama. Vshojo literally cannot do anything to him without taking themselves out.

>>13589719
>https://twitter.com/zentreya/status/1463648964406882306
He specifically apologized for the part where he left the video up *after* it was posted despite the girls asking him to take it down, which is specifically what Zen's talking to in this tweet, so yeah he did at least apologize for reacting like a shitter and valuing the video over friends.

>>13589719
>said everyone was on board with it
if Zen can prove he said that then he has actually been lying, even if he never talked to the other members.

>>13589839
What he probably hasn't apologized for is what Froot was saying, and trying to negotiate keeping the video up.

>>13589839
>valuing the video over friends
Was his friend going to pay his bills? Give him money? Would his friends donate to him if he gets swatted? Very likely not.

>>13589969
Damn it's almost like he could just have made a different video entirely

>>13589732
Yeah nux’s audience is 100% the same kind of people that would dox and swat.

>>13589337
Funny, the moment Bao added redacted to her name I figured it out it was a troll and lost any interest.

Iron Mouse Vod 26/11/2021 as she talked about deleting it: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ucd7J9DasWZSY3Jtkz_Df4HWDgqIS0tE/view?usp

>>13589969
when you treat your friends like friends, certainly

>>13589571
what are they going to say "I'm sorry that you're a toxic narcissistic sociopath that only cares for other people as long as you could find a way to exploit them"?

>>13589938
He mentioned asking they take their negative statements first. It might have been that.

>>13589969
He's basically guaranteed that they won't help him now. He should have just made a different video or a REALLY generic one about phishing and doxxing in the VTuber community.

>>13589969
>local man who throws money at trying to get people to do dumb shit for him on stream literally destitute and on the street after not making a single content-farm video

>>13589969
Considering he never gives decent amounts for his stunt videos, posting it wasn’t going to pay a bill either.

>>13590028
Certainly, but that's also a case of how responsible for his audiences actions is he?

>>13589969
Spoken like a true jew

>>13588255
Post the fucking vid link you nigger

>>13589671
>>13589571
I think the whole drama stuff became too entangled and boring enough so they can easily bury it. He apologized for the delayed video deletion, hope both parties got something from it.
I think the "talent first" agency, which VShojo positions itself, could prevent it by just saying "We are not sending anything right now, someone impersonating us" little tweet

>>13589969
His whole schtick is interacting with other streamers. Once he fucks that up, bills aren't getting paid anymore. In his field, it quite literally pays to have friends.

>>13590138
His entire character is being le cool edgelord who epicly trolls everyone. Of course his audience will be retards, they also want to be batman with the personality of the joker

https://twitter.com/snuffyowo/status/1464093808447180801?s=20

Shh guys, she's resting

>>13590126
>>13590101
>>13590090
>>13590024
So they fucking won't. He almost got doxxed himself btw. He's a victim and not only were vshojo trying to silence him but they never gave him any support as a victim. What kind of friend is that? Imagine watching your friend get stabbed and still refuse to say that there is a stabber because you're afraid of getting stabbed yourself.

>>13590181
I think zoomer Vtubers would do well to not listen to the Nigerian Prince about that wire transfer.

>>13590283
>they were trying to silence him
Damn imagine if they had. None of this would have happened and the people wouldn't have gotten away lol.

>>13590223
Anon... you do know what his content was before this vtubing stuff right? That content is what made him popular at first.

>>13590223
>>13590090
>>13589969

People forget the only reason he currently has money is because Moist Critikal took like a year of his own time and his media team's efforts to get Nux's monetization unfucked. The man's entire content and financial backing is based on who he is friends with.

>>13589969
>>13590283
nux, is that you? awfully defensive for a random faggot on the internet.

>>13590283
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGYLIdlOC0M

>>13590283
>but they never gave him any support as a victim

He literally posted a video of screenshots showing the support they gave him.

>Imagine watching your friend get stabbed and still refuse to say that there is a stabber because you're afraid of getting stabbed yourself

Doxxing, stabbing, these are the same thing if you're a complete idiot

>>13589969
you know he's tweeted out in the past he makes next to nothing from YouTube

>>13590365
And he tried to be nice about it but he was almost swatted, AGAIN! Public safety > whatever fear nyanners have

>>13590283
They dealt with the pishing shit, the danger of someone falling for a vshojo impersonator was gone.
After that the only warning they could give was telling people that doxxers are a thing, which isn't exactly critical information unless you are a grandma.

>>13590283
>refuse to say that there is a stabbe

Oh shut the fuck up. Everyone knows about doxxing. This isn't 1999 you retard. They told the people that were affected and took the site down. You're an actual idiot if you're making that argument like the other nuxfuckers

>>13590283
> they never gave him any support as a victim
Whya re you defending him if you didn't watch his video? They literally gave him support with the issue

>>13590540
>>13590516
The doxxers have vshojo tax returns and signature. Vshojo never told that to anyone. They're letting people get scammed by not disclosing this.

>>13590283
what kind of friend tries to throw their other 'friends' not so subtly under the bus to come out on top of everyone else? please. vshojo trusting him and trying to help him was an opportunity for the drama whore. he took it. even in the original video he tried to imply they had wronged him and the other victim after helping him out. he's still doing it.

>>13590283
And he gave them what they wanted. The satisfaction that they can fuck with all these people from their hut. Warning people does fuck all anymore. We’ve been being warned for over 20 years.

>>13590495
that's why he had problems getting half a mil out of a bank in canada right, cause he makes so little money

>>13590632
You expect Nux viewers to work within the bounds of facts?

>>13590283

>>13590651
Those were fake. Please read the statements before arguing stupid shit.

>>13590514
A decade of people threatening to kill you and your family, and coming to your house. She has more to fear than 2 indies and nux.

>>13590651
Reading is too hard for you it seems, so I'll stop giving you (You)s

Did everyone forget that Mel is actually more than just talent in Vshojo? She's a defacto behind the scenes leader, and formed Vshojo along with Gun and Dew. It makes sense that she'd be involved at the higher level of things.

>>13590495
Why would people do that? Go on the internet and tell lies?

>>13590651
No they don't. They repeatedly said all documents the scammers had were fake. Jesus go read the statement.

>>13590651
The doxxers had Gunrun's signature and a domain with vshojo's name on it. Vshojo took away the domain. From that point onwards, any doxxing happened through methods unrelated to vshojo.

>>13590758
lol Nux even said at the absolute best in his videos that they "looked" real. Not that they were.

>>13590651
>The doxxers have vshojo tax returns and signature
You mean the stuff that was confirmed as fuck? So you didn't watch his video OR read any of the statements. Typical nux fan

>>13590811
He blurred her out in the group but I forget, did he show her okaying the video?

>>13590877
He never showed any proof she Okay'd the video. The only thing he showed was Pheonix relucently admitting they cant stop him

>>13590877
He hasn't shown it anywhere

>>13590877
He didn't. He only showed her as being part of that group with Gun and ph0enix. Also did a shit job at blurring her because which other VShojo would translate to a purple spot on the screen if not Mel.

>>13590811
We didn’t forget, but the entire thing in the video was Phoenix. Not mel, or gun. Being in the room when someone says something isn’t you saying it.

>>13590951
Don't forget that he "forgot" to blur her name on the first version he posted.

>>13590758
>>13590826
>>13590855
If Nux didn't come out with the video, would vshojo ever tell this to the public? Probably not. Vshojo don't care for anything other than their interest.

>>13591097
Tell the public what? "Dont get doxxed"? They communicated with the people involved and took care of the problem. Stop being such a retard about this

>>13590811
vshojo was Mel's idea in the first place in her early days she occasionally threw around the idea of starting to her own management agency

>>13590270
How could she make a blanket out of Anny?? I will never forgive that raccoon.

>>13591097
Tell the public THIS

>>13591097
your poor grammar reveals you every time, you know.

Honestly the language of Mel's statement probably tells us the most about what happened.

>He ignored the teams feelings
>He didn't listen to the security team

>>13591200
based

>>13591097
They are under no obligation to notify the public. They have stated they were helping those affected, and given the Saki statement and resolution I am inclined to believe that they did just that. They were part of an active investigation and have explained their reasoning for keeping a tight leash on information. This also makes sense.

>>13591017
and conveniently had an edited version ready to be reposted very soon after the initial video sent, which he only apparently noticed after the video was sent. so either he waits to release something before rewatching it to make sure it's good, someone with super lightning quick reflexes and time dilation told him about the error, or it was intentional.

>>13591097
Do you think Hololive tweets out anytime someone tries to dox one of their members? No because they're adults and know that you only validate the criminals by aknowledgeing it all the time. You deal with it internally.

But Nux doesn't have an adult brain so hes too stupiod to realize that

>>13591097
No they wouldn't have. They resolved the part that involved them. They have no reason to tell the public someone is trying to swat and doxx their talent.

>>13591266
Intentional knife twist on melly, unfortunately.

>>13591339
it's a classic "if I'm getting fucked then someone else is too" tactic. I'm sure he hopes to turn her friends against her, even though she was only shown to be present in -some- kind of discord group DM. with none of her or gunruns messages shown. enough for the reactionaries to eat it up once a screenshot of his error gets posted. whoopsie doodle!

>snuffy is throwing shade at hololive's new gen reveals
Way to fucking further destroy your chances at collabing with holo ever again you utter stupid fucking piece of shit raccoon. Niiji probably not going to want to be within distance of your ass either

>>13591222
just like last night when did the same with snuffy

>>13591000
THIS. They could have introduced nux to the security guy then walked off because they had other things to do. like if you look at the date it was the same day Mel was doing her VRC meet up

>>13591446
Snuffy isn't VShojo. Please try this bait again when she is.

>>13591446
Anon, that tweet could mean literally anything.
Take your meds.

>>13591244
they are morally and ethically 100% obligated to inform the public of a doxxing attempt against the community that you have knowledge of

>>13591565
They are quite literally not.

>>13591308
>>13591292
>>13591244
>>13591217
>>13591162
Yeah, so they wouldn't have. They wouldn't tell the public what happened because they don't care whatever happened to anyone else besides themselves. Answer this very simple question. Does vshojo or any of the talents affiliated with vshojo care about the vtubing community as a whole? Yes or No. That simple.

>>13591446
oh no, how terrible

>>13591629
>>13591565

Every single hololive girl has been doxxed individually and through coordinated effiorts. Are you also this upset that Cover has never tweeted out about it? Or just picking and choosing so you can suck ?

>>13591097
this is the dumbest fucking argument because someone put out a tweet when this first happened they brought up that there's someone posing as vshojo and are trying to get personal information for doxxing. the message was already out there over a month ago

>>13591622
Meaning that if someone finds out that they get swatted because vshojo didn't disclose this, that would mean vshojo is liable to getting sued to hell.

>>13591565
They did inform all applicants privately.
This "genocide" consisted of 2 whole indies who were doxxed before Vshojo knew about the incident.

Honestly I'm more interested in the aftermath. Regardless of what happens after this, I'm pretty sure the bridge has been burned (at least on the outside, I'm sure Mouse and Melody will still be in contact with him. This isn't like the Arcadum situation).

Even if there was some miscommunication (If both sides are saying the truth) on whether he had permission or not, his initial response and reluctance to take the video down for 2 days probably destroyed any goodwill Vshojo had on him.

Not only did Nux alerted the doxxers, but he also gifted them this whole shitshow. I'm pretty sure those fuckers are enjoying watching all of this unfold.

>>13591629
I think you're late to to your taint-licking session with your favorite famous cartoon youtuber nuxtaku

>>13591446
Snuffy’s mouth sank that ship before it sailed. The shit she talks about on her stream would get her jp antis left and right in either Corp.
She’s still entertaining as fuck tho

>>13591629
What part of "it would only encourage more doxxing and swatting and make investigating those harder" do you not understand? Read the statement Vshojo put out AND what they said in Nux's dm's you dense mother fucker.

>>13591698
if you have knowledge of someone phishing vtubers with fake audition acceptance under your name you have a moral and ethical obligation to tell the community to neuter the attack, it's the only effective thing they could have done (they will never bring this guy to justice)

its a moral wrong to hide knowledge of an ongoing attack using their name against the community

>>13591698
Hololive girls getting doxxed doesn't involve the public. This is someone impersonating vshojo. It involves the public.

>>13591629
pic related

>>13591726
Lol no that's not how liability works.

>>13591735
they were targeting people who didn't even apply, the only course of action is to let everyone know what is going on publicly, there's no downside other than exposing their own incompetence (buying a cheap domain with their trademark)

>>13591790
But how would that work? If vshojo told people that it is happening, it would only make it harder for people trying to doxx or swat because they are more cautious.

>>13591824
>it's the only effective thing they could have done
Aside from taking away the doxxer's ability to do that pishing scam, which they literally did

>>13591824
motherfucker, they shot down the whole phishing scheme using the name under a different doman, they already fulfilled their moral duty, they did far more than a worthles "le tell people doxxers are a thing!!!1!!11"
now take Nux's dick out of your mouth

>>13591831
>No one has ever impersonated Cover
alright, anon

>>13591935
No, doxxers would just change strategies like they probably did after they lost the ability to impersonate vshojo (and once again after Nux's video) and would try to retaliate because autism.

>>13591831
Like you care about the public lol. You just want (you)s. So have one

>>13591854
>>13591790
>>13591752
>>13591698
Answer the damn question. Don't avoid it. Don't deflect it.

>>13591935
No it would tell the doxxers they're being tracked and to lay low for a while. It would also tell people that there's a chance Vshojo members have already been doxxed and you can find that info somewhere if you just look. It isn't 1999 people know to look out for fishing scams and doxxing.

>>13591916
People who did not apply do not fall under their responsibility.
>there's no downsides
Already explained there are.

How does the bait taste, anons?

is this a social experiment to see how many times retards will respond to literally the exact same points in a topic?

>>13592038
Being more cautious will literally stop 90% of phisihing attempts. An ignorant target is the best target.

>>13592060
Yes, they obviously care about it if they dedicated time, money, and presumably a team of people to take action on the issue.

>>13592104
Pretty tasty. I like the ones who start a discussion, I have no problem giving them (You)s.

>>13591629
Do they care about vtubing community as a whole? Of course. Thats why they were trying to not promote doxxing, unlike nux. You should go ask that question to him since it seems he put ad revenue on his hero-complex video

>>13591824
What the fuck are you talking about? "The only effective thing they could have done" my ass, they took down the fake site the phishers were using inside of a week.
I don't know if they'd have brought the guy (or guys, it's only Nux's word that it's one dude) to justice, but they sure as hell won't now that Nux has leaked exactly how much other doxxing activity the cybersecurity team has tied to specific users and accounts behind this attack. It was a stupid fucking move no matter how you look at it.

>>13592104
Like turkey dinner.

>>13591958
this is a professional standpoint, we do this in our own industry (software dev), if you remove your own personal biases i think you would see it's the ethical course of action

>>13592104
I haven't taken any all day so I'm owed it this one time

>>13592104
I lost my taste sense already

>>13592186
>>13592167
>they care
>let the public become bait instead of themselves
Lmao

>>13592104
Tell Vshojo girls to stream more actively during their anniversary. Otherwise, delicious bait will litter the thread.

>>13592060

>>13592293
I like this image. A+

>>13592374
You can save it my friend. It is all yours.

>>13591831
Hello, this is Cover here. Your application to get penis sex from Pekora has been acceptado. Please email your penis photos and address to cover.co.uk

>>13592189
literally informing the public would have prevented this whole shitstorm with nux, if this were microsoft or amazon you wouldn't be bootlicking

>>13592318
your bait is getting repetitive, anon. Its getting less fun

>>13592318
Do you have any idea what dogshit the girls in vshojo could've been going through behind the scenes while they try to catch these idiots. If we're just pulling conjecture out of our asses how do you know that any of the girls weren't going through the same exact shit the sub 1k follower girl was claiming to be going through at the same time. All the while keeping it quiet because that's how you actually catch these guys.

>>13592525
I know the bait is tasty, but its gone cold

>>13592448
Done. When do I fuck her?

>>13592575
Huehuehuehue

>>13592575
Now. You have 25 minutes to get to cover headquarters.

>>13591738
for Mouse this was the straw that broke the camel's back. her and nux already had bad blood. nux was really ramping up the Mouse X Connor ship and it was even spamming it in her chat until she called him out and told him to fuck off

>>13592468
Nux choosing not to act like a retard would have also resolved the situation though? Like, Vshojo's actions made sense 99% of the time here, we just happen to live in the reality where anime Keemstar decided he needed to weigh in on this shit while an investigation was still in process

>>13592468
Two of the biggest companies in the world that chose to actively harm the public for money daily are the same as…. A vtuber talent agency. Perfect

>>13591824
read this
>>13591716

>>13592713
Gunrun is Jeff Bezos with a wig

>>13592745
Hot

>>13591716
>someone put out a tweet when this first happened
It was Nux

>>13592713
reductio ad absurdum

OK, Cock sniffer
yes they would have come foward
>nuh uhh
they fucking would have when things were precisely ready
Nux wanted to act first, not to actually help, but to promote his shitty click bate channel.

>>13587782
I like #1 as a normal-wear/"slice of life" design, and I sort of would like to see similar "normal" costumes for all the girls, like most of their original designs.

>>13592741
Wasn't the person who posted this in the first place Nux though?

>>13592787
Pic and something for the tourist friends

>>13592795
And I’d do it again, debatelord

>>13587782
3 > 1 > 2 > 4

>>13592104
im a greedy bastard and I hunger for more
sitting around watching shitters ransack your general was getting boring
also he makes my lazy typing look bad and that really annoys me

>>13592787
>>13592814
Doesn't this just to Nyan's point that you can post general anti-phishing stuff without getting so specific, though? Like, the problem with Nux's video was that he positioned himself like he was a savior and that he gave away a bunch of information on the phishers that they didn't necessarily know had already been uncovered

>>13592695
then anime keemstar should get shut down just like leafy and real keemstar before him.

>>13592901
did you atleast enjoy your stay holo/nijibro

>>13592907
The tweet was actually worthless because, going by the timeline in that official statement, it was the same day they dealt with the fake domain

I like beeg anime tittees

>>13592873

>>13592873
If nuxtards were right about vshojo being an evil black company trying to silence the truth, then why didn't any of the girls speak out about this tweet? Probably because the problem with the video wasn't the fact that he talked about the phishing scam, but revealed a ton of unnecessary information that hurts the investigation and taunted the swatters like a retard?

>>13592969
yeah and that timeline is accurate, information about when a site goes live or goes dead is all publicly available through a service like https://lookup.icann.org/

>>13592974
I like beeg frootposter cock!

I dont keep up with vshojo much.
But I used to watch vei some and I looked at a recent stream of hers and ngl, I hate her new model. I miss the old tracksuit.

>>13592968
No, I come from the horny side
you guys are pretty cool. the nux shit should die down eventually.

Also im a HUGE fan your froot poster

This is now day, what, four of this shit, and you faggots are still responding to the same bait fucks using the same bait comments that have already been addressed a dozen or more times. If you think you're going to get anywhere talking to these retards you're wrong. If you think you're getting anything out of responding to these retards, you're also the retards.

Fucking hell, let it go and ignore the damn shitters.

>>13591446
>>snuffy is throwing shade at hololive's new gen reveals
Explain how she's done this, go ahead.

>>13592060
I think I know who this guy is

>>13593351
You'll be very excited once you discover that there are multiple frootposters around

>>13593328
She’ll be a Chinese dragon soon, anon.

>>13593383
I'm bored and they jannies won't clean this mess so I might as well shitpost

Anyway fuck that drama. Post your oshi.

>>13592512
Wait? So you actually understand my points. You know what I'm trying to push through all of you vshojofags thick skull. Yes anon. The public shouldn't have to suffer because the girls want to be safe. Sure if they wanna keep quiet that's their problem. Pretty shitty of them though. Really shitty using the public as bait. But when someone else bring to light what is happening vshojo shouldn't have attacked that someone. That is my point. The public, the indies to me is more important than any of the vshojo girls.

>>13593454
I dont have one...
I cant pick favourite.

>>13593436
im really glad to hear that, they are a treasure

>>13593504
You can do it if you try

>>13593383
It’s thanksgiving, anon, if I can make some man child happy today by taking shitty bait I will for the next few minutes.

>>13593540
I actually hated them at first, but they grew on me. just like my dick when I read their posts.

>>13593499
Please, we all know you give 0 shits about indies

>>13593427
Yes, I'm nux. Watcha gonna do faggot?

>>13593444
>she'll be Chinese
Not if I get to her first. Our children will be japanese and she'll like it.

I don't care about this issue, and I definitely don't care about Nux, but can we please move on. I don't want to think about him anymore than I have to.

>>13593613
I tried posting titties, anon. I'm out of ideas.

>>13593598
One of my chuuba I watch is an indie that wanted to join vshojo. It breaks my heart that such a nice girl could have gotten swatted. I don't want that to happen to any of the chuubas I watch.

>>13593499
Explain why they didn't "attack" him during his initial tweet about the phishing problem in October, then.

>>13593660
Instead she’ll just be groomed, shame, that.

>>13593660
It's very honorable and ethical of you to only care about someone being swatted if you watch their streams.

>>13593454
Nyanners is my oshi

>>13593454

>>13593635
I'm currently watching the first half of the Ironmouse stream today that I missed. She's at her best when she sings and goofs around

>>13593660
Good news. The chances of her getting swatted have increased considerably after this shitstorm.

>>13593872
Thanks to nux

>>13593673
Because he didn't say anything that would incriminate vshojo. He says it like vshojo didn't know it happened. When he came out with the victim number and how long it's been going on, they went on the offensive starting with pink cat being afraid of getting swatted herself.

>>13593941
He followed up with a tweet about how he was in talks with the CEO though?

>>13593872
Lol no. My chuuba now know what to look out for. Now that I also know, I'll be able to help her more.

>>13593996
Your knowledge is worthless because they dropped that method the moment the domain died.
Next time it won't be a fake audition email.

>>13593996
>I'll be able to help her more
ogey

>>13593988
Yes and nothing happened after that. It's like the vshojo company just knew what happened when actually they knew it longer than him and just didn't tell anyone. Actually why wasn't vshojo the one that made a tweet like this? >>13592873

>>13593941
but his (initial) victim number and duration were wrong, anon
yes this same group had been trying to doxx and harass vtubers for some time (and focusing much of their efforts on nyanners, fwiw), but the phishing scam through vshojo.org was live for less than a week and only got 2 people.
Again, it was very fucking stupid to let the people responsible for all this know that you've connected these October attacks with their previous efforts, because doing so lets them know which accounts they need to abandon in order to get away scot free

>>13593941
The phishing attempts lasted less than a week

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>>13594167
Say that to my face if you dare, faggot

>>13593941
you glow like a nightlight

>>13594167
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>>13594055
What's next retard? Lol. As someone who works in tech, I know that there's not a lot of ways people can do to doxx someone without the victim giving it. What they can do is
>fake email
>fake website
>fishy links
>hack a website with the information about that someone
Everyone of those besides hacking could be averted by just being cautious.

you're getting sloppy by the way.

>>13594233
If you work in tech, why did it take this shitshow to teach you how you could help your chuuba avoid phishing?
>>13593996
>Now that I also know, I'll be able to help her more
God, I love it when new larpers come here

since no one is talking about the Silver stream and there's general autism currently going on in the thread, Lumi went like and is showing off her WIP 2D model on her stream at the moment

The worst part about this drama is how much I cringe because high school dropout IT and code monkies now all think they're cybersecurity experts.

Please stop.

>>13594352
That looks great. Wolf is good

>>13594106
My guess as to what happened is that Vshojo had a months long investigation underway going on behind the scenes even before Nux knew about it. It eventually crossed Nux's path, and because he simply can't help mining everything in front of him for content, he tweeted about it and then later made a cringey video. I don't know if it jeopardized the investigation, but Nux being a huge fucking clown and airing this news as content for his YouTube channel was just enough to piss off everyone on board. I don't know if they will completely blacklist him, but he probably won't be invited to any holiday parties this year.

>>13594352
Why is the chin a knife?

>>13594352
holy fuck that looks good
also that chin could cut through a car door

>>13594233
>without the victim giving it
And what makes you think she won't? Fishy links are boomer shit, a lot (if not most) of scams do rely on the victim being retarded enough to get tricked into giving away info.
As far as you know, some doxxfag might be contacting your oshi right now, claiming to be a concerned fan who "works in tech" and telling her he thinks she might have been doxxed. Or maybe she will just get a DM from @GunRun.

>>13591217
its forced

>>13594352
>Silver is still on
Fuck, I literally forgot. Sorry Silver

>>13593763
Sonic 2 refrigerator fuck

>>13587617
do you think purple cat has a chance?

>>13594671
She's been doing amazing, almost 3000 subs in one night because of the Genshin collab. People really want toe KFC glider!

>>13594352
And another Vtuber downgrades.

>>13594310
Because I didn't know people were impersonating vshojo. I didn't want her to join vshojo but I do want her to incline.

>>13594608
My chuuba is not a slut.

>>13594911
Who is this?

but silver had a good day today and im happy for her.

>>13592810
their plan was to never come forward, which is overall better. swatters and doxxers want attention. they use these events as recruitment ads. they want to lessen the danger and prevent any possible attacks some kind of cringe "callout" tweet that people think is a good idea because they can't see the forest for the trees. they think batnux is somehow more informed and knowledgeable than a cybersecurity company and law enforcement, who both advise the practice of not informing criminals over social media that they're being investigated by X company.

>>13595163
We do love a happy Silver

>>13595015
Again, that scam is already done. The phishers weren't going to repeat that line of attack after vshojo.org was taken down, and they're sure as hell not going to do it now that this whole shitstorm has gone public. But see >>13592873, these scams are going down all over the Vtubing space and they have been for some time now. You shouldn't have needed the results of an ongoing investigation to leak to understand more or less what the threats generally look like and what the best countermeasures are, especially if you ARE a cybersecurity expert or w/e.

>Nux is given full permission from Vshojo and one of the girls to post his video
>The other girls get upset at the video, want it taken down
>Nux says he'll take it down as long as Vshojo retracts their statement that they gave him permission
>Froot makes a tweet about Nux demanded terms and conditions, all Vshojo streamers dogpile on him

Am I understanding this right? Am I missing something? Because holy hell, this looks like Vshojo management dropped the ball by not communicating with the girls, the girls (reasonably) freaked out because doxxing/swatting is a legitimate fear, and friendships have been irrecoverably destroyed for something that ultimately boils down to mismanagement and panic.

>>13595529
You're wrong, but if you read the threat you would already know that.

>>13595159
erisqt, 958 followers

>>13595529
Too early to say, Nux had his chance to post DMs and such but that's just one side of the story. Vshojo proper or any of the girls could post additional information that complicates his story

>>13595529
Melody's presence in the call is not permission.

No permission was asked for, no permission was given.

What was asked for, is that Nux remove mentions of VShojo in the video, which he failed to do.

What he was advised to do was to not post the video, but they said he had every right to make a video about the incident as a victim. They can't stop him.

Here grug scenario for u

Grug want break your leg
Me can't stop Grug
Grug can break leg?
Me can't stop Grug
Grug break leg
Me leg broke Grug, thanks Grug

>>13595214
Retards still think the police and companies don't inform the public of a danger to their information LMAO

>>13595529
Do you have a solid explicit proof of "full permission"?

>>13595733
Google caught shit from the media like three years ago for doing exactly that

>>13595529
most of that is wrong
nux is trying to keep his fans and stay relevant in the vtuber community

until things get completely understood, please refer to this
>>13591854

Meanwhile, Lumi finally lost her mind (or hair).

>>13595694
This helps my dumb Grug mind understand, thank you.

>>13595529
>retracts their statement that they gave him permission
Wouldn't this mean "we no longer give him permission"? I'm not that retarded I swear

>>13595733
>dude just draw more attention to trolls and hackers

>>13595529
>Nux is given full permission from Vshojo and one of the girls to post his video
He was told "we don't want you to do this but you can do it if you want to" by some guy who people assume belonged to the cybersecurity team.
We haven't seen any screenshoots of the girls giving or denying him permission so far, so either that cyberautismo fucked up or someone is making shit up.

>>13595628
Is there a reason we should know her are are you just a fan?

>>13595826
A britney spears reference? Based.

why do so many vtubers have the "requires verified accounts to chat" i dont wanna give my fucking phone number to twitch

>>13596054
To avoid spergs, probably, but yeah, I hate it

>>13596054
A bunch of people turned it on in August to try and stop not raids.

>>13596054
just go steal a phone like me

>>13596131
I need it back jamal. Give it back.

>>13595998
The guy flat out suggests edits, this isn't an "Oh, well we can't stop you." it's a go-ahead. He even thanks Nux for working with them.

>>13596054
It was automatically turned on during the resolution to th e hate raids.

>>13595694
How in the fuck do Vshoujo faggot manage to make believe this hard?
What was said was he was within his right to post the video and the manage monkeys even watched the damn video to see if they wanted to change anything and he said he wouldn't post it if they didn't want to
But if your whores cry hard enough, suddenly they're in the right

>>13595529
all the screenshots of the DMs are between nux and this ph0enix guy(presumably vshojo security). Not sure if Mel and gunrun were there during conversation but the timestamps for the conversation would be during one of Mel's VRC meet-up time slots so she was probably just there to introduce nux to gunrun and ph0enix. the DM's are not in chronological order based off the timestamps the first DM nux showed was one of the last messages timeWise and it is of ph0enix recommending that nux don't release the video because of security reasons but there's no way to force him not to.

i finally know why i get 20 psa pings on discord about scammers. actual third world sea n words think someone wants to give them free csgo skins and nitro gifts and demand the public be informed lest their amigos fall victim as they did.

Imagine a stream where mouse has a copy of every model she ever used running at the same time.

>>13596165
No, it's a "we can't stop you but at least do this to minimize the damage". The whole thing is pure faggot corpospeak, which certainly didn't help.

>>13595928
Mfw retards would rather endanger the public instead of posting a simple "there is a very convincing scammer pretending to be us, watch out "

Jesus Christ I just read the archive of the shit that happened earlier and you niggers are time looping hard, it's like I'm still in the other tab. Everything's already been said, just wait for the girls/management to respond.

>>13596261
This "corpospeak" cope needs to stop.

>>13596310
>Muh public
Zoomer brain on social media need everything to be in public.

What I still want to see if him trying to prove none of the girls told him not to do it. Because that's the thing people are mad about, that he'd betray the trust of them, not the company. Also he still has to explain why he's contradicted himself on multiple occasions here.
>First video says "I WAS SPECIFICALLY TOLD NOT TO BUT I HAVE TO DO IT ANYWAY!"
>twitlonger says "I was NEVER told not to do it"
and that's just one.

>>13596403
Based retard doesn't actually research what he's talking about since the only person who told him to not post the video is his brother

>>13596310
>>13596217
Please just wait till someone that is fluent in whatever your native language is explains it instead of trying to understand it with ESL knowledge.

>>13588255
>>13589189
>>13589579
>>13590162
https://youtu.be/qlY8A0YrJRc?t=3938

There's also this. The pizzapasta man POUNDED your oshii.

>>13596350
Unfortunately our regulars are retards who have made this general unusable for about 4 days now by responding to literally anything for hours at a time.

Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out

>>13596354
You can call it however you like, it's clear the constant backtracking and avoiding a clear "no" contributed to this shit.
Could have easily said "Don't do it, no one wants you to do this crap" but they were more worried about not "attacking" a victim so we ended up with
>you shouldn't do it, b-but you can. We don't recommend this, b-but we are not stopping you. We don't think it's a good idea and it will cause problems, b-but you are in your right to do it anyway

>>13596384
Usually when a scam is endangering the public, the public should know about it

>>13596496
Companies are allowed to say no.

>>13596528
The public isnt joining vshojo. They would more likely to join nijisanji.

>>13596481
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 2vn68w

>>13596588
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 3

>>13596588
>>13596622
Who?

>mfw /vt/ards are falling for this fake drama

>>13596622
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 4

kek this>>13596528
nux made everything worse like he usually does and zoomers cant process that

>>13596650
>Fake
Cancel culture is very real and its going to happen to nux.

>>13596659
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 5

>>13596707
and it should, the world would be better off without his content and the vtuber world can only benefit from losing people like him

>>13596740
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 6

Nux will post more reciepts in two weeks. Trust the plan.

>>13596785
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 7

>>13596828
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 9

>>13596707
"Cancel Culture" only happens if you let yourself be cancelled. They tried to cancel Taiga and he's still got the same amount of viewers, and still pulling in tons of cash.

dear public, you are all in grave danger. please consider the following for your own safety:

>an email claiming you've inherited several million dollars is likely a scam
>an email informing you of a nigerian prince that wishes to bestow his riches upon you is likely a scam
>an email claiming they have dirty pictures of you and need you to send money is likely a scam
>an email asking for your login information is likely a scam
>an email saying your account has been suspended unless you send x and y info is likely a scam
>an email that claims to be your bank and they've detected sus activity and need you to click a link is likely a scam
>an email that says you've been selected to joiin x or y vtubing agency and you just need to send all your personal information on this form to them is likely a scam

i've done it. i'm the batman. i...have saved this city. rejoice potential vtubers. doxxing has been defeated right here in this very thread. never again, never again will anyone fall victim now that there's been an announcement.

God speed, Hime poster.

>>13596863
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 8

i like really really huge tits

>>13596871
thanks, anon
anyway gotta run, apparently i owe taxes and need to pay it in apple gift cards

i really REALLY like GARGANTUAN tits and wish them upon ALL OF VSHOJO

>>13596897
>>13596906
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 10

This one is for you man

>>13596947
based

>>13596972
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 11

>>13596947
except nyan

Girugamesh

>>13596871
Where would we be without nux

>>13597028
-ESPECIALLY- nyan

>>13597023
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 12

>>13597037

>>13596871
People are retards. If only they did this before people got scammed. Sad.

>>13596972
I appreciate the thought, anon
but those aren't nearly big enough

>>13597099
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 12

>>13596740
>until drama stops
you're asking the mentally ill western vtuber community to not get into drama.
Son, you better have TBs of Hime images saved up.

>>13597151
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 13

All this Himeposting just reminding me of how much little of her art accurately depicts her boobs. Sadge.

>>13596496
it would have been an infinitely worse look if they said
>"no you cant make a psa about people trying to dox you"
they literally just wanted him to leave the vshojo name out of it. he didnt, and he included all the girls instead.

>>13597175
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 14

>>13597200
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 15

>>13597240
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 16

>>13597275
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 17

H-Himechads...?!

>>13597194
Well he was okay with not posting the video if he was asked not to. They also literally reviewed the video and could have asked to not include the vshouwhore name but they didn't. It was already bad enough that they didn't immediately tell people to be on the lookout for a convincing fake email address and now the whores tried to cancel a victim of swatting for informing indies about the scam that could potentially get people killed

What is hime's gimmick that is not roomate related? Never watched her.

>>13597322
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 18
Curve ball this one is flat chested

>>13597355
big tits, being loud, and scuff

>>13597240
Bro, this art is fucking hideous

>>13593761
>time-traveling nyan clone

>>13594167
Reminds me that I need to finish playing The Talos Principle

>>13597347
>They also literally reviewed the video and could have asked to not include the vshouwhore name but they didn't.
they did

>>13597333
Love it. I'm not even that much into BE I just like when fetishes adjacent to my own appear here. I will never have enough giantess VShojos

This is going to make the nuxfags think the girls lied and they might now stay away from the girls. So it's a win in my book

FUUUUUCK THE ANNY VOD FROM YESTERDAY WAS DELETED AND THE FILE STREAMLINK OUTPUT IS CORRUPT

I'm gonna try and figure this shit out when I get home

>>13597404
every non-vshojo fan on /vt/ thinks that about them or worse

>>13597355
Tits, her ara ara mommy voice, being a nun because she got banned by twitch early on. Oh and that she never streams

>>13597391
Not a single instance of the cyber ninjas asking Nux to not include the name vshoujo in his video

>>13597429
ya, she showed a tiddy, also showed one of her birthday fanarts that technically has all parts covered but is still tos and said "fuck it i'm deleting the vod anyway"

>>13597429
https://mega.nz/file/G58FFC6A#9bkGNBRBNCgPQF255sgBXMiCMJO6a-Au5XV5jhPYGd4

>>13597469
there was

>>13597446
Hime STOLE Noels tits and Froot pirated them BOTH

>>13597492
Show?

>>13597446
So nothing changed, thank god.

>>13596054
I haven't seen that on twitch but on discord inb4 twitch automatically took the info from me. Looks like I'm never joining the precious famoly.

>>13597504
in nux video

>>13597358
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 19

froot responds
https://twitter.com/LichVtuber/status/1464135727181189121

>>13597534
The one where he never said anything about the cyber ninjas telling him to not include the name "Vshoujo" or even show any screen capped messages from anyone on Vshoujo?

>>13597558
>froot kneels
Oh no. Not like this.

>>13597551
Posting Hime until the drama stops or I run out. 20

>>13597558
>this is actually going to turn into both communities tearing their throats out. Nux looks like and is a schizo keemstar, and vshojo looks unstable as fuck

>>13597558
I know for a fact this bitch did not just use pepe emotes while talking about shit that supposedly "put the lives of all vshouwhores at risk "

>>13597558

>>13597558
lol did he change the thumbnail on the video? I remember it being most of the VShojo girls with black bars over their eyes when I saw it and knew that he'd done that without asking them.

Also yeah Froot's right. Inspiring retaliation is exactly what the notices VShojo sent out said could happen by publicizing it. Funny how she knew that better than he did lol.