/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

what did america fuck up this time

>>1359056
not even anime can escape the irs

inb4 everyone starts using Streamlabs instead.

>>1359056
Hopefully this convinces the big name Japs to leave to something better.

>>1359056
Japan seems to have a treaty with the US so they might not be affected.
ID for sure is being taxed at a 10% rate.

What the fuck is this? Link?

>>1359056
>Non-US citizen is obligated to pay taxes to the US government
Now that is thievery.

>>1359128
Luckily most of the ID uses streamlabs over SCs and membership isn’t as of importance.

>>1359128
Yeah, this is actually very normal in most of the world that people who work overseas are expected to pay taxes on that work but companies negotiate treaties so their workers aren't double-taxed.

In this case it also likely only affects superchats/memberships from US-based viewers anyway.

Well mutts I hope you're happy that your oshi is making less because of your retard country

>>1359106
>Streamlabs
Swiss-US company, HQ in California. Same butt-fucking laws apply.
Also, be ready for the EU to copy the fuck out of that law.

>>1359128
Well they could just turn off monetization and redirect the superchats to the established Streamlabs in an instant.

Of course. The blacks aren't going to feed themselves.

>>1359056
AMERICA

>>1359056

Pretty sure Japan has a tax treaty with the US, so they just need to select that option and get a hot 0%

>>1359056
Shouldn't it just deduct from Google's profit instead of the creators'??

very ""creative"", mutt

>>1359056
>Coco gets taxed by amerisharts twice

>>1359056
>taxing income

>>1359209
>Google
>paying taxes ever

>>1359209
B-b-but Google is just a small company that doesn’t make any profit at all abububu :,0

>>1359056
Notice how this and all the other bullshit is happening under Biden.

We warned you idiots but you had to vote for the bastatd. YGWYFD

>>1359056
>deduct taxes in certain instances when they earn income from viewers in the U.S.
Wait, they could just block their videos and stream to be shown in the US lmao. Goodbye EOP bros.

>>1359283
>Goodbye EOP bros
THE EOP country is European

>>1359209
Anon, the government taxes you on income, then taxes the company you work for on income. It also taxes the suppliers your company pay on income. Their workers too. And their suppliers...ad infinitum. No one gets as many cuts of the pie as the government.

>>1359276
biden is a pro chink and pro globohomo faggot. also a very typical neolib who loves shit like this.

>>1359056
>>1359276
>>1359184
>>1359173
>>1359331

>>1359128
>>1359128
>>1359128

You are all worse than niggers, at least they can read, like "COLORED ONLY"

>>1359354
Kek

>>1359276
Should tax the annoying orange more. I somehow paid more taxes than him thanks to real estate bullshit.

>>1359056
Unless you provide a source I'm gonna call bullshit.

This isn't even a change in the IRS's tax code Google has been dodging taxes for fucking years. Amazon did the same until a couple years ago when they started collecting taxes on purchases from anyone in the US. This happens all the fucking time when big tech companies can no longer dodge paying taxes by stalling it in court. I even got a notification years ago on Steam to submit my tax info because I made too much money selling CSGO skins and the IRS finally cracked down on Steam.

Just makes sense that if a company is using your country's infrastructure to run their service they should be expected to pay taxes on it. And anyone overseas using that service as their primary source of income should also pay their fair share for our infrastructure.

>>1359483
Kiara just read it on stream for whatever it's worth.

This only affects countries that aren't in a tax treaty with the US. So as far as Hololive is concerned, it only affects the ID girls.

>>1359495
Then that actually makes me happier as long as I know google is finally being fucked one way or another, even if its unfortunately miniscule. I’mm gladly pay if those fuckers get clapped, even if not really.

>>1359517
So another reason to keep using streamlabs...?

>>1359483
https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/101463270?hl=en
Nothing changed. They just decided to start enforcing it existing laws.

>>1359056
reminder that there are no taxes in Pekoland

>>1359555
Exactly. This change won't be affecting any of the holos, and like >>1359495 said, it fucks over Google.

Just makes it harder for any indies or small companies to get started or make money, it's like Youtube actually wants people to make a proper competing platform

>>1359495
>Just makes sense that if a company is using your country's infrastructure to run their service they should be expected to pay taxes on it.
But the infrastructure of my country is build and maintained by private entities.

Do americans have to pay VAT on payments on youtube?
When I started my first membership it clearly stated on the billing page that 19% of my 5 bucks membership goes to VAT.
Do you not have that?

>>1359624
Every platform will have to comply if they take payments from US residents.

>>1359624
You can only pull off a move like this if you're Google and you're completely certain that nobody in the world can compete with you.

>>1359150
Its been a real thing for foreign athletes, Manny Pacquaio is a Filipino boxer that pays US taxes every time he fights here

>>1359632
This is about US taxes anon. Infrastructure in the US is almost exclusively built by private entities paid for by the government as a jobs program. In particular ISPs took hundreds of billions of dollars from the government to build high speed internet lines and pocketed all of it. Those lines that let you access 4chan.org or youtube.com were paid for by taxpayers.

Is that even allowed? paying income tax to a foreign country?
oh wait, it's the USA, no one is going to say a word about it.

>>1359699
>You can only pull off a move like this
Other platforms already do this.

>>1359711
Are anons really this retarded lmao.
How underage are you?

>>1359632
It only applies to US payments to content creators outside the US.

Remember, taxation is theft.

>>1359749
Google certainly think so.

>>1359283
have you heard about my lord and savior NordVPN?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_withholding_in_the_United_States#Withholding_on_payments_to_foreign_persons

>>1359703
I mean, for me it would makes sense if the person is making money or doing transaction on US soil. The problem is a lot of the creators might never even step on it. Sure they makes money off a US company but they're not their employee.

>>1359331
>biden is a pro chink

This narrative is hilarious because I'm old enough to remember back in 2008 when obama ran on an antichina platform (remember the TPP? Aside from being a copyright nightmare, it was intended to be an antichina trade bloc) and romney was the one running an antirussian platform. Now republicans are antichinese and democrats are antirussian

Mainstream american politics is just a hilarious smokescreen of rich assholes who have no real opinions

tl;dr for people who don't want to read.

>>1359852
TPP would have been based but orange man torpedo'd it because it would never have passed to begin with. American politics is just uniparty propaganda under the cathedral. They have real opinions, unfortunately none of them benefit you or me.
Anyway google should get fucked but I know their gonna chase their growth so they will fuck someone/something over to recoup their loss.

>>1359056
Good. If Hololive migrates onto an alt platform or hosts their own streams I can finally stop going to that shithole.

>>1359382
That just means you're bad with money. The revenue code is full of write offs and loopholes that are open to everyone.

>>1359852
Back in 2008 this website exclusively supported Obama, with some Ron Paul shitposters as a meme. Then corporations started pushing culture wars white supremacist dogwhistles to associate "rich assholes" with "the survival of the white race" and it got the mouthbreathers so riled up they spread a disinformation campaign against things that are integral to 4chan's existence like Net Neutrality and Section 230. It's fucking ridiculous how easy it was to manipulate those retards by appealing to their reactionary tendencies.

>>1359852
>>1359904
Obama was the most pro-China administration in US history.

>>1359904
TPP was horrendous. It would have crippled American content creators as much as it crippled China. It was just shooting ourselves in the foot to temporarily delay China's inevitable rise.
There's a reason the only person in US politics who isn't a ghoul, Bernie Sanders, actively opposed it despite how much he hates China.

What's Japan's income tax? Are they in any tax treaties that would make some sort of exceptions? Instead of just saying this royally fucks over Hololive (I'm sure they're fucked either way), can people just give me the facts instead of shitposting?

>>1359904
>TPP would have been based
How young are you?

>>1359056
The IRS is the single most diabolical institution in the world. More powerful than the government, more powerful than the EU, hell more powerful than full blown WW2 Germany. Just remember that when no one else was able to take out All Capone they turned to the IRS.

>>1359935
Unfortunately, paying corporate fees for a real estate corp and buying golf courses and hotels is not within my financial means as my parents were not rich. What tax loopholes are you using, richfag?

>>1359969
>Back in 2008 this website exclusively supported Obama
Politics were near non-existent in 2008 on this website.
>reactionary
Way to out yourself.

>>1360009
https://www.irs.gov/businesses/international-businesses/japan-tax-treaty-documents
I'm looking right now but I don't know enough legal jargon to make sense of it.
At worst they would lose 30% of US payments for any non-US based streamer but only if Japan has no treaty regarding the withholding tax.

>>1360074
Imagine being this braindead that you think politics wasn't actively discussed on this website in fucking 2008 during the peak of the Ron Paul meme you fucking newfag. Way to out yourself.

>>1359994
I don't disagree with you faggot. I'm just pointing out that TPP would have been based but it was torpedo'd by trump (which is true) AND it had no chance of actually passing in a Hilary administration.
>>1360001
>buying into the Sanders meme
NGMI, but feel free to donate for his next mansion.
>>1360048
I personally want to strangle every fucking CCP faggot I meet regardless if I go homeless to do so. (in minecraft) I know that shitty trade deal isn't great for us but you know what, the alternative of doing nothing has given China so fucking much over the past 4 years.
You're missing the point. Administrations mean jack shit because there have been no real friction between the parties, they are all the same. It's all fucking smoke and mirrors.

>>1359120
>leave to something better.
Like what? Even if the US government takes a full 25% of their gross revenue it's still less than they would lose moving to a non-US platform.

>>1360097
They were contained to their boards though, not like now where you have Americans shitting all over the place about their retarded fad-ideologies.

>>1360097
>comparing /new/ bants with the braindead normalfags on /pol/
Actually neck yourself

>>1359749
>pay taxes
>still don't have free healthcare
It certainly is in the US.

>>1359056
My hatred for the government grows with every paycheck and now with this.

>>1359056
Americans getting greedy. NND time to improve your UI and advertise

>>1359892
>ID will miss 30 dollars
Nothing burger

>>1360161
>/pol/
>normalfags
Anon, most of /pol/ hates Jews far too much to be considered any type of normalfag.

>>1360136
Yeah for sure it was much better contained back then before the election tourists showed up to meme orange man. But even the political posters back then actively supported Obama and shit on Hillary and McCain for being neolib/neocon ghouls. Of course we all know how Obama turned out to be a neolib too but that's hindsight I guess. He was still more progressive towards the internet and censorship than his opponents and that was good enough for us. Don't pretend politics and activism wasn't an active part of 4chan's history though. There were active campaigns to oppose SOPA and other censorship laws and protect Net Neutrality on this site. There was just a huge ideological shift towards shilling corporations when the newfags invaded.

>>1360083
No, at worst they would lose 24% of their total income regardless of where it came from if they don't submit any tax info >>1359892.

>>1360236
>being from a corpo
>not submitting tax info
Not gonna happen. They probably already did.

>>1359639
What, really? So europoor money is worth even less than previously believed?

>>1360083
Because there's a tax treaty between Japan and the US, creators who pay taxes on their income in Japan won't be taxed again. So they pay 0% on this policy change.

>>1359935
In my dream world, it is entirely feasible for Cover to break off from Google and host their own content so I don't have to give any money to the advertising jew. This will never actually happen in reality. Their only real option is moving to some other platform like NND which also sucks and is basically unusable during Japanese prime time. Most of their youtube viewership will not move to another platform.

>>1360236
All of cover(JP+ID+EN) is based in japan, and it's cover account that it goes into, not the individual girls.

So it'll come down to what kind of tax treaty the US has with Japan.

>>1360070
You can buy/build a duplex and claim the exact same write offs that Trump gets on his hotels and golf courses. You can create an LLC before the week is over and start writing off extravagant shit like luxury cars and sports tickets as business expenses. I'm not your dad and I'm not going to hold your hand on tax strategy. All the information you would need is available for free on Youtube and at your local library, so stop whining on the internet and work on your own finances if it bothers you that much.

>>1360258
Yes. My government takes 19% of my 5 euros, and Youtube then takes 30% of the remainder.

>>1359639
No we don't. We're supposed to pay taxes on that but Youtube was avoiding it through legal loopholes like other tech companies. The IRS has been slowly going after these companies over the years and getting them to enforce it.

>>1360263
What is wrong with NND? It was basically Japanese main media platforms few years ago, what happened?

>>1360272
If Cover ever gets a US/EU office, I wonder if they could use it for some interesting tax loophole. Like US office takes in all the YT income and then pays the holo's or something.

>>1360263
This isn't a platform issue. As long as they take US money they'll have to pay this tax. The question is just if they get caught not doing it on another platform and having the IRS after your ass is a bigger yab than your talents fucking their boyfriend on stream.

>>1360288
Trump has the money to pay a lawyer to argue when the government decides to audit his ass, which he's doing right now in new york. I doubt he has the money to do that, and if you don't you definitely don't play as fast and loose with deductions and fraud as the rich do.

Taxes are mainly for the poor and middle class.

>>1360309
Not a lot has changed, it's just a really shitty slow site with a bad layout and you have to pay to get non-potato quality videos during high bandwidth hours.

>>1360309
NND is youtube if youtube implemented retarded draconian japanese business tactics like locking free users to 240p resolution and a horrible user interface that only asians could come up with. The entire reason Japanese creators moved to Youtube is because NND was that much worse despite having a monopoly on Japanese video content.

>>1360309
Have you used it? It's garbage and the only reason it was successful is because Japanese used to like to stay in their own bubble of japanese websites.

>>1360309
Stuck in 2010

>>1360328
People are saying the US and Japan have a Tax treaty that eliminates the difference, so there'd be no point.

>>1360384
Even 2005 youtube has it beat.

>>1360288
>duplex
$600k for a shit one where I live
And what the fuck tax am I going to write off anon? My personal income tax that magically gets charged to my LLC instead of me? Sounds like you're talking bullshit here. I can switch to a contractor from employee at my company, but they literally pay contractors worse with no benefits.

>>1360263
They need to at least move to a hybrid model like Tim Pool if they want to remain profitable. All their earnings are now going to be hit with an additional layer of overhead because of this new tax. They need to stop funneling all of their simp bucks through Google, even if it is expensive in the short run.

Currently when one of their talents gets banned for no reason they just lose about two weeks of revenue; at least have a Hololive channel on Twitch to deal with that.

>>1360429
>All their earnings
Only US payments to non US-entities.

>>1360429
>at least have a Hololive channel on Twitch to deal with that.

Miko thinking ahead!

>>1360409
Yeah this thread really highlights how many posters on this board are underage or live with their parents. The complete hysteria around this policy change is so embarrassing. None of the JP Holos will be affected unless they were dodging their taxes(Monoe...) before this.

>>1359994
>Obama was the most pro-China administration in US history.
Are you retarded?

>>1360342
>Taxes are mainly for the poor and middle class.
No one is disagreeing with that, but you don't have to just spread your cheeks for daddy Biden; that's your choice. In the time it took you to read my post and write that shitty response you could have found an informational video on tax avoidance. Off-topic post on /vt/ or try to improve your life by wasting less money on taxes: make your choice.

>>1360371
Nips should have never broken their containment

>>1360484
None of the Holos will be affected period because they are handled by Cover. None of the money goes directly to them so what they do on their own tax declaration is purely between them and the japanese tax office.

>>1360384
morons should hire competent layout designers and problem would be solved

>>1359935
>If Hololive migrates onto an alt platform or hosts their own streams
Never going to happen, Youtube is too powerful.

>>1360546
I really don't think UI/UX design is a thing in Japan.

>>1360566
Most independent creators are uploading onto alt platforms and/or hosting content on their own websites. Pretty much all corporate creators have their own subscription site. Hololive being just on Youtube makes them a dinosaur.

>>1360518
I don't think you've ever had to deal with an IRS audit.

>>1360612
The problem is you'll still be beholden to payment processors even if you did that, and payment processors are just as shitty if they get wind of any anime shit. I've seen content creators get their patreon shut down(Lost Life dev...) because patreon doesn't wanna piss off their banker overlords.

>>1360612
name some

>>1359904
TPP was utter garbage entertainment-wise so obama was commie narrative isnt so exaggerated. japan couldve been followed the amerimutts honorable shitty superior copyright laws pushed by Disney that destroy the whole doujin culture.

>But what about the sort of kinda-sorta-bootleg merchandise being sold at Artist's Alley? Does that count as "commercial"? And what about doujinshi, which are technically illegal but more or less being made with the tacit approval of copyright owners? That's where things get a little blurry, because even though doujinshi is not manufactured on a large scale, it's still sold.

>Japanese lawmakers are currently wrestling with these very questions. It's clear that Japanese copyright law will have to change. The length of coverage will increase from 50 to 70 years after the author's death, and violation of copyright will have to change into a law that can be prosecuted just for breaking it. (Presently, Japanese law requires the copyright owner to file charges against you in order for anything to happen.)

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2015-11-16/.95444

>>1360734
None of these election tourists even know what the TPP is except that it was anti-China and pro-corporations and therefore automatically good. Fucking retards.

>>1360802
As someone who was living in Japan at the time I know that strongest anti-TPP advocates in moonland were the communists while the LDP tried to push it so hard it basically became a meme

>>1360734
>(Presently, Japanese law requires the copyright owner to file charges against you in order for anything to happen.)
Isn't it like this everywhere? copyright is a civil issue not a criminal one surely?

>>1360662
So use LBRY or Subscribe Star. There's always the risk that some shithead SJW will try to mess with you, that's the reality of being an independent content creator. The worst position you can be in though, is having all of your revenue going through one channel, because it means that means it only takes one little shithead with an imagined slight to shut down your whole revenue stream. If people are also buying memberships through another platform, or even better on your own platform, that makes your business more resilient.

>>1360623
I think you're mad at people with tax strategies and investments because you simp away your entire paycheck every two weeks.

>>1359056
>determine the correct amount of taxes to deduct, if any apply
>if any apply

Doesn't this mean only US citizens are affected though, since a state you are neither living in nor a citizen of literally can't legally levy taxes from you?

>>1359082
Someone should just bomb us and say "no taxation without representation." as justification lmao

>>1360849
Because communists are actually based. It was the same in the US the strongest anti-TPP faction were the leftists while the corporate democrats and republicans all supported it. Any time both of those groups agree on something you know for a fact it's gonna be awful.

>>1360863
The whole gist of the TPP was to punish China for taking advantage of selective copyright enforcement. By turning copyright infringement into an automatic prosecution it shut down any sort of doujin or bootleg content creators. Otherwise anyone can open a stand in Jakarta selling Mickey Mouse keychains and since there's no Disney reps trolling the streets of Jakarta he could buy them from a bootleg Chinese supplier and be totally untouched. Under TPP the local law enforcement would be forced to take action and shut him down even without Disney's knowledge, then redirect the money to Disney for their benefit.

It was anti-consumerist and anti-creator as fuck. The only people who benefited are mutlinational corporations with vast IPs they could exploit by going after average people. Fuck the TPP and fuck anyone who supports it.

>>1360701
Tim Pool, Styxenhammer, the Quartering, literally every corporate channel, the Daily Wire

>>1360946
It only applies to non-US recipients.
>>1359892

>>1360979
Literally how is that legal.

>>1361015
Cause the government decided that it's legal.

>>1361015
American citizens paying an american company(google)

What this actually is, is google shifting it's tax burden onto content creators.

>>1361015
It's legal because it's the law?

>>1360975
>>1360701
I'll add some:
Linus Media Group + BitWit(FloatPlane), LowSpecGamer + Tom Scott + SuperBunnyHop + TierZoo(Nebula), SsethTzeentach(His website)
In the olden days, Nostalgia Critic used to have his own website and ScrewAttack also used to host AVGN and other like-minded creators.

>>1361045
That's not what it says though? It's forcing a citizen of another country to pay taxes to the government of a state they are not a citizen of. How is this allowed?

America First!


By Biden

>>1361015
Have you ever read a tax code in your life anon? Why even bother asking how it's legal when you don't know how the system works in the first place?

>>1361045
Not really, this is income tax not corporate tax. People working for US companies or using US entities as a platform to make income off US citizens are subject to US taxes. Of course it's a direct consequence of Google being forced to pay their own taxes so now they're rushing to collect and report all this info to the IRS, but they should've been doing it from the start. Google may shift their tax burden onto creators in other ways like raising their cut of superchats/memberships, but that's a different issue.

>>1361089
Who is forbidding it? The money goes from US resident to outside the US and they're just intercepting it in the middle and taking their part of the pie.

>>1360956
The copyright part of the TPP was only half it. The other half was basically eliminating most tarriffs between participating partners to encourage trade between them instead of with china.

There was some talk of reviving the deal with only the tariff removal, but that sank when ol' orange man decided he could get a better deal dealing with each country individually.

>>1359283
And then they lose 100% of the US money instead of a tiny percentage of it? The US isn't taxing Japan viewers superchatting to Japan vtubers.

Fuck Biden. The same greedy prick as Trump

>>1361120
>Have you ever read a tax code in your life anon? Why even bother asking how it's legal when you don't know how the system works in the first place?

Answer the fucking question. By what fucking right do you tax people who are not your citizens?

>>1359056
HOLY SHIT! youtube takes 30%, hololive takes 30% and now this 30% tax AND Japanese government taxes?!?!?! The girls need to change platforms.

>>1361166
Biden has nothing to do with it, nor Trump.
IRS is just enforcing old laws on tech companies.

>>1359787
It will at least filter out the seamonkeys that can't afford the subscriptio

>>1361169
>what right
By the ability to enforce it.

>>1359283
Why? The deduction is like Sales tax it happens at the moment of transaction. Unless they are filing US taxes it doesn't actually effect the streamer outside of the US besides potentially cutting into a small percentage of revenue.

>>1361154
>The US isn't taxing Japan viewers superchatting to Japan vtubers
That is exactly what they are doing

>>1361175
Learn to read

Based nijisanji flexing on holofags with thier merch and sponserships.

they have their own fucking store website for fucks sake. Merch chads remain supreme and im glad they didn't fall for the superchat meme like the retarded holofags were so proud about

https://shop.nijisanji.jp/

>>1361213
Only if you are retarded and don't file any tax information.

>>1361213
Are you illiterate? The only case where that happens if you don't provide any tax information. As long as you provide something, it's only taxing USD.

>>1361242
At this point I am almost convinced Cover wants to make the least amount of money possible. It is shockingly embarrassing.

>>1359056
>>1359354
Holy fuck poltards are brain dead, all they see is taxes and start spouting their bullshit.

>>1361264
the next coming months should be good

>>1361175
>>1361242
Literally nothing changed for the Holos because they are all employees of Cover and get their money from Cover. And Japan has a tax treaty.

>>1361242
Read the thread stupid nijinigger, it won't affect them.

>>1361169
Because it's a tax collected on money made from US citizens, using a US company as a middleman, through US infrastructure. Every country does this, that's why tax treaties exist, to negotiate tax disputes between countries and protect citizens from being double taxed.

If a country doesn't recognize the US's right to collect these taxes they don't have to enforce it on their own citizens, but US companies will still withhold that money because they are beholden to US laws. If you run a non-US company based in Indonesia or some other country that doesn't have a tax treaty with the US you're free to ignore all this shit, but Youtube is a US company so they can't.

In practice most countries do recognize this right because they want the same right extended to themselves to collect taxes off foreign business.

How the fuck can you guys not be underage and be this illiterate when it comes to tax systems?

>>1361154
I wouldn't be surprised if they do. It's not the first time they shut down their income from an entire country. Though after reading the whole thread, that doesn't seem likely.

>>1361242
>sponserships
still getting that one wrong?

>>1361284
>>1361286
>>1361302

hows the "no dark humor" rule going for you retards in denial? and odn't humour me with the "ITS YOUTUBES FAULT".

>>1361242
>no sponsorships

>>1361288
>through US infrastructure
I thought YouTube was supposed to be a private company. If YouTube is using US infrastructure why is there no freedom of speech?

All holofags could do is try and though insults when cover STILL haven't opened their own online store.

>>1361319
I Didn't even say "no sponserships" get some reading comprehension holotard

>>1361310
>get told because you can't read beyond the headline
>B-BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS UNRELATED THING

>>1361322
We already discussed this here >>1359709

>>1361322
>private company
>does not need to guarantee freedom of speech

>>1361348
Who are you quoting?

>>1361332
I can't wait for the next couple of months, it's gonna be great seeing faggots like you in denial.

also prepare for holo talent streams to be even more stale thanks to the humor rule, it's 100% going to effect holoEN more.

>>1361362
>prepare for holo talent streams to be even more stale
What do you not like Apex bro?

>>1361310
i was just pointing out that you are still spelling sponsorships wrong

>>1361267
Simp away then, paypig: https://www.pay.gov/public/form/start/23779454

>it's another nijifag comes out and shits up the thread by talking about unrelated things

>>1361362
Holos living rent free in your head, buddy.
This is a thread about US taxation and Holos as we've discussed are unrelated to it.

>>1361362
It's pretty obvious that rule is directly targeting the creepy shit Haachama's been doing because of the incident where she had a break down on stream playing that fan game. Everyone else will be unaffected.

>>1361407
some of them must be chinks larping as niji fanboys

>>1361441
Have you ever considered the possibility someone can dislike hololive and not be ethnically Chinese at the same time?

Whelp, this thread has run it's course. The actual effect or lack thereof this will have will be evidence to anyone capable of actually reading, and the rest of the thread is going to be /pol/tards trying to blame this on biden, retards who can't/won't read asking how this will effect japanese companies, and trolls willfully being retarded. A perpetual cycle.

Enjoy

>>1359096
People escape the IRS all the time. They desperately need more funding.

>>1361469
i said some, not all. hope niji bans all chinks the same way holo did. i think you wouldnt disagree with it.

>>1361471
How much do you get paid to run damage control for YouTube? is it hourly or are you paid by the post?

>>1361441
pretty sure most of them are hololive fans doing it for the you's, people will shit on the members quite happily for the sake of getting responses so why not use the "enemy" company to do it with

>>1361471
>>1361510
This reads more like a Discord tranny than a paid shill, so I'm guessing he does it for free.

>>1359056
I work at a CPA firm and dealt with a similar issue with a UK newspaper having Facebook host its articles. FB being in California meant withholding taxes. There's some precedent out there though where you can argue that your content has nothing to do with the US.
If YouTube is the one determining this then who knows what will happen. I bet if a non-US content creator hired a competent CPA they can probably argue their way out of this.

>>1361589
Isn't UK exempt because of tax treaties?

>>1361612
Yes our specific issue was with California. YouTube being in California as well makes me wonder how that will be handled.

>>1361612
State and Federal are different taxes

>>1361495
t. schlomo-san

>>1359056
man were finally making them pay for our upkeep

>>1360215
>pol
>a single entity
>not every nation and mega corp bot farms
> and 4 skitzos

>>1361516
Hololive fans using nijifag talking points sure thing. Two things unite Hololive fans their hate for nijifags and their hate for chinks.

>>1360522
and then you'd not have any chuubas to watch, faggot.

>>1361436
you are a retard that can't discern performance from reality and has never watched a Haato stream earlier than the past 2 months besides shitty eop clips
nigger

>>1360371
Its so bad that Mel was posting on twitter about trying to cancel her NND payments but it flat out wouldn't let her log in anymore and the customer service is so shit she couldn't recover the account.

>>1360591
not a thing in the US either, judging from youtube and twitch.

>>1360956
>Because communists are actually based.
(you)

>>1361970
Stop coping you're not fooling anybody

>>1362086
I mean he's right, I assume you are some nominal rightwinger, how come a Communist nation has never legalized gay marriage but only capitalists ones do?

>>1359852
Obama left its American stronghold in Southeast Asia for it to be replaced with Chink hegemony to fill up the power vacuum and take potential resources fpr themselves (ie the South China Sea fiasco). Niggers like you deserve to be gassed

DON'T THREAD ON ME YOU FUCKING YANKS

>>1362191
>left its American stronghold in Southeast Asia for it to be replaced with Chink hegemony
Not the guy you are replying to but as an American citizen how does using my tax dollars so a bunch of niggers can hangout in Japan and Korea raping women and running over little kids benefit me in anyway?

>>1359209
Companies always pass taxes on to the consumer if they can.

>>1362191
China treats its economic partners better than America does anyway. No countries involved in the Belt and Road Initiative have been violently coup'd by the CIA yet, unlike what America does to its "allies".

>>1362278
The natural gas reserves in that area could be theirs but mutts are too retarded to exploit it

>>1362335
>China treats its economic partners better than America does anyway
Yeah it make sense you would be a better trading partner compared to a country can only manufacturer products like toilet paper, dildos and anti white ideology

>>1362378
How does that advantage the average American Citizen in anyway?

>>1362378
It'd just go to multinational corporations who siphon the revenue into an offshore tax haven anyway. Imperialism doesn't actually improve the living conditions of those living in the imperial core.

>>1362335
Never heard of Chinese economic imperialism in Africa?

>>1362497
I have heard about all the infrastructure improvements they have been doing

>>1362013
chuubaa could have steamed on NND like some already partially do

>>1359056
Abort HoloEn2 and start up HoloEs

>>1362497
China's actions in Africa are still infinitely less bad than engaging in a violent coup against democratically elected leaders and assassinating anyone who won't sell them oil. Objectively speaking as a developing country you'd rather be under debt to China than engage in a small economic disagreement with the US, because the latter will destroy your entire economy for generations just to enrich a few oligarchs. See: Cuba, Honduras, Venezuela, Iraq, Chile, Afghanistan, Iran, Australia, etc.

>>1362544
and move everything over to NND

>>1362014
>Haachama posts a bunch of dark, creepy shit
>Solicits fan made dark, creepy shit
>Has an on-stream break down playing dark, creepy fan game
Doesn't matter if she was faking or not, the whole bit was getting out of control and Cover had to shut it down to protect the brand and the idols. They deal with stalker shit on a regular basis already without putting out serial killer bait. Cover has done Haato dirty in the past, but this was absolutely the right call.

Take your meds.

>>1362558
zhang spotted

>>1361471
(you)

>>1362906
Do you have an argument though?

>>1359056
I said this before and I will keep saying it, Hololive should make their own streaming plataform and leave jewtube

>>1361242
Good thing Nijisanji focus in merchandise instead of superchat huh

>>1359852
>TPP
>anti-china
Lolwut? Chinks were simply not stupid enough to be part of it. There was nothing that prevented them from accessing the market or taking advantage of it. It was unpopular with both left and right, and beloved best by corporate interests, the same interests that love china.

>>1359128
aren't ID's accounts based in Japan though?

>>1359056
new platform chanse

>>1359056
>>Youtubers outside of the US will now have to pay Taxes to the US.
WTO War incoming.

>>1362560
The only useful things NND has are the rankings and tags that actually work.
It's almost worse than Youtube outside of that.

>>1359096
>not even anime can escape the irs
Oh, it can. Taxes are a joke in my country.
Good luck with that IRS thingy.

>>1359711
Welcome to the real world. Nations have never mattered. All that matters is who has the biggest and deadliest army.

>>1363946
Vietnam should be running the world then

>>1359056
>America finds a way to scam the entire world for tax revenue
this is the most Jewish thing Ive seen yet

>>1359639
The fuck is VAT? Some tax for being eurotrash?

>>1364522
>Some tax for being eurotrash
Yes and the rest of the civilized world

>>1359128
>ID for sure is being taxed at a 10% rate.
ID channels can't get superchats.

>>1364579
Yikes. Sure is nice being a wealthy American with a Jewish accountant on payroll.

>>1364630
>ID channels can't get superchats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLgMdMw67G4

>>1364630
they can
if not set to ID

>>1359056
Come to odysee. You can collab with Richard Spencer or Keith Woods.

>>1364522
>pays income tax
>pays VAT taxes
>pays car tax
>pays gas tax
>pays road tax
>pays property tax
>pays taxes on cigars and alcohol
Is this really fine?

>>1359579
They have changed, seems like Google is changing how they do their accounting so creators become liable for the taxes rather than Google.
> For creators outside of the U.S., we will soon be updating our Terms of Service where your earnings from YouTube will be considered royalties from a U.S. tax perspective (we’ve already made this change to the Terms of Service for U.S. creators in November). This may impact the way your earnings are taxed, and as required by U.S. law, Google will withhold taxes.

>>1364813
you forgot the tv tax

>>1364875
Oi you gots a loicense for that chuuba m8?

Hololive seething. China was the right way.

>>1359056
Canasians BTFO

>>1364846
>royalties
doesn't that imply Google is a fucking publisher?

>>1359354
Based

>>1365576
since a year or 2 years ago. the payment you receive from youtube counts as a royaltie.
Before it use to count almost as a salary or something like that.

In my country, a 19% tax on digital things like Netflix or Spotify was recently approved (companies must pay and the money goes to our country). now Netflix and others cost 19% more.

>>1360182
>need to pay taxes to have "free" healthcare

It's time to use streamlab

https://www.iscle.com/web-it/g-drive/adsense/america-tax-info.html/

>In case a Japanese submits documents to the United States, it is not necessary to double tax on the United States in accordance with the U.S. Japan Tax Regulations.

Conclusion: hololive don't have to pay taxes to the U.S. if they submit documents by the deadline

>>1369780
Does this mean that if they pay japan tax, they don't need to pay us tax?

Someone let ID know that "Donations" get taxed more heavily than "Tips"

>>1369855
Ya

>>1369887
Figures. Anybody that is a US bitch will get a free pass

>>1369488
what did he mean by this?

>>1359056
ITT: people can't into taxes and infrastructure

>Switching to Streamlabs
>they don't know

>>1360875
oh no it's a larping poltard

>>1369488
Ok, so my healthcare isn't free because it's paid for by taxes.

I get taxed. You get taxed. So where the FUCK do your taxes go? Roads? We have them. Schools? We have them. Police? We have them, and ours aren't defunded. So WHERE THE FUCK are your taxes going?

>>1370549
Surely there's some autistic Russian who can put together an alternative website. Russians are basically wide-eyed asians when it comes to Internet Autism.

>>1361322
> If YouTube is using US infrastructure why is there no freedom of speech?
That's a great mystery, isn't it? Why do we allow private companies to use public infrastructure to further restrict the very people it was made to serve if they can only exist with it serving everybody equally? It would be like allowing a trucking company to put up tolls on an interstate because they have the most trucks.
Apparently you're worse than Hitler if you ask these kinds of questions on twitter.

>>1371058
At least twitter doesn't restrict your freedom of speech. Unless you're Trump that is.

>>1370947
Problem with competing platforms is always the same problem we have when discussing competing alternatives to Youtube: American tech companies, specifically Silicon Valley, have a trust occurring where they protect one another if a foreign company attempts to enter the market.
It's not for lack of foreign companies trying, either. They intentionally block out and muscle any and all payment processors, social media sites, news organizations, and services using their iron grip on banks, telecom infrastructure, internet infrastructure, and reliance on US based services. This even extends to other American-based platforms outside of Silicon valley. Let's not forget the attempts to make alternatives to Twitch and Netflix which were shut down by being denied basic infrastructure neutrality.

They're allowed to do this because the people who should be regulating them look the other way in return for them retaining their complete domination of the English-language internet.

>>1364728
>the accountant is your master goy

>>1371280
>At least twitter doesn't restrict your freedom of speech.
What's the difference between the government doing this and the government using Twitter as a proxy to do this? Aside from accountability, I mean.

>>1371280
Twitter deleted like 70k accounts right after the election and only one of them was Trump's.

>>1359056
https://www.iscle.com/web-it/g-drive/adsense/america-tax-info.html/

>In case a Japanese submits documents to the United States, it is not necessary to double tax on the United States in accordance with the U.S. Japan Tax Regulations

>>1362558
i dont like mutts either, but Venezuela really did that to themselves, you'll know if you did your reps

So basically this only affects third worlders? lol Why do Amerimutts want to exploit them while always virtue signalling fucking hard to save Chink slave labors in chinkland? Fucking hypocrites

>>1362335
>>1362558
this is what chink bugmen actually believe. Unironically gas yourself you fucking bugmen han nigger.

>>1371280
>>1371280
>At least twitter doesn't restrict your freedom of speech
Try saying some objectively factual shit like there are only 2 genders and see whether they're restricting your freedom of speech or not.

>>1359056
how do I read this IRS table shit burgers?

>>1372840
>All the Japan numbers are 0
>How do I read this???