/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>13545346

bump

>>13545346
If you expect any of them to be able to dance you're retarded. We all saw how large flare is and let's not talk about Rushia or Marine's stamina. This is the best one can do

>>13545346
Small indie company pls understand

The live part is actually the paid for part. The pre-recorded part was the free part.

>>13545346
Wow gen 3 is loved

>>13546099
t. copefag who isn't watching it

>>13546099
>The live part is actually the paid for part
Watch stream, please

>>13545346
Nice NND stream anon I hope you're enjoying it

>>13545346
Retard. Do you also complain that anime is pre-recorded?

>>13546372
based

>>13545346
Kiara said it’s not pre-recorded

>>13546945
Kiara said that anniversaries are not pre-recorded either.

>>13546372
>Hololive Fantasy 1st Live
>Live

What really happened there? I'm trying my best to not be a tribalfag but holy smokes, the difference between the big 2 communities when it comes to their live events here is severe, I even checked /jp/ and nope it's also overrun by shitty reactions

>>13547165
"Live" is another word for "concert" JP idol lingo. It doesn't actually have to be live.

>>13545346
>He thinks any vtuber concert is live
Do you also think vocaloid concerts are real anon?

At least 2/3rds of "live" streams are prerecorded or ad-libbed over prerecorded gameplay too. Do people in 2022 still think live streaming is live?

>>13545346
It needs to be pre-recorded so that the concert isn't a complete fucking mess. These girls obviously don't have the stamina to sing and dance live. The listeners want to see a GOOD performance not some amateur hour perf so we have to settle for pre-recorded.

Holo cope

>>13548055
He isn't wrong. A pre-recorded concert should in principle be higher quality than if you did the same concert live.

>>13545346
wow hololive fans are vocal about Holofantasy Concert and they are not happy. They're discontented with the way Cover handled their performers. I guess they were holding out hope for a live concert route. There's even a petition that's garnered thousands of signatures to have Omega fired and go back to doing better quality concerts on bilibili. Obviously that wont happen but it shows how unhappy they are.

>>13547967
>These girls obviously don't have the stamina to sing and dance live
Why wouldn't they have the stamina? They made it into an idol group, that's kind of what idol groups do.
Sing and dance on stage.

>>13547420
laugh at this holocope!

>>13548620
Stop falseflagging. It makes you look pathetic.

>>13548667
Why are you replying to yourself?

>>13545999
But they've been in this company for years. Even Kuzuha can do a solo live and he used to collapse after 3D streams. What the heck happened...

>>13545346
For the first time ever I stand with nijiniggers.
I fucking hate Gen 3 with the exception of rushia and flare.
And I'm so happy this shit flopped, it was literally a money farm, I would've rather spent my money on anything else other than this

>>13548741
It's time to take the niji pill, anon

>>13548695
You seem to be mistaken. I replied to some anon, not myself. I even defended the fact that it's pre-recorded here >>13547967

>>13545999
So... they don't want to put effort?

>>13547509
Watame's sololive was 100% live as was obvious to anybody who watched it.

>>13548741
Marineschizo, Noelschizo and Pekoraschizo confirmed one person.
Finally the live made him drop the mask

>>13548762
The only niji I'll ever consider watching is Hoshikawa anon, the same way I only watch a single holo and no one other than her.
>>13549788
Keep seething fag, call me a schizo all you want but this is just the cold hard truth.
If you paid money to this concert simply because you want to support your oshi without a single care of how good it might be then I'll respect that, but if you paid to watch this expecting a decent concert then you were absolutely ripped off and if you think otherwise then your cope is just saddening.

>>13546372
Not comparable. If I buy a ticket to a Metallica concert, I expect to see them live on stage, not go to the arena just to watch a video of them playing

>>13545999
Flare is fat?

>>13550075
Anon those are professional musicians. These girls are just glorified streamers. You should've already known the quality of live concert you'd get if you were really a fan. They obviously wouldn't be able to perform live.

>>13547920
please sir, take your meds

>>13550221
Why can Suisei dance and sing at the same time and kill it then? Why can Korone do the same?

>>13550221
The tickets cost a fair bit. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect more.

>>13550276
This, I've bought concert tickets for less with far better production/content from Hololive, and I'd feel ripped off if I bought this.
Unless it was my kami oshi. Then I'd only feel only a tiny bit ripped off.

>>13550221
>They obviously wouldn't be able to perform live.
Mito and Kuzuha are also regular streamers, but their concerts were live

>>13550200
She is voluminous.

>>13550657
Mito used to almost throw up over RFA being too intense, and now she's good enough to do a whole live concert.

>>13550200
>Flare is fat?
at the right places

>>13550657
but they're label artist tho? surely unfair to compare it those signed up by legit music labels

>>13550819
Why? Labels don't make you a better dancer.

Nothing has changed

>>13550819
Are you implying that Cover is incapable of hiring streamers that can become label artists through talent and effort?

>>13550891
Why not add a Korone webm

Pekora and Marine did some choreographed dancing during Mel's 3D live. It was clear the dances were simplified compared to those of the other guests like Nene, so I think that's the best we can expect from Gen3.

>>13550938
Was Korone at a paid concert?

>>13550971
I don't know as I don't watch Hololive much, but she had cute dancing.

>>13550891
>left
>professional dancers/acrobats performing while vtuber sings
>right
>former camwhores after 6 months of dance lessons

>>13551025
>professional dancers/acrobats performing while vtuber sings
Is this a cope?

>>13551025
The only acrobat work Rindou is familiar with is bouncing on cock. But she is strong, she can princess carry many women

>>13551025
>professional dancers/acrobats performing while vtuber sings
Holy cope.

>>13551025
>>professional dancers/acrobats performing while vtuber sings
So this is where they spend their collab fees for, I see

>>13551025
cope, but I too want mikoto-mama to dance on top of my tip, can't blame you anon

>>13550259
because suisei is a singer first before a dancer. korone can dance her singing sounds like shit though

The concert was half-and-half I believe. The songs themselves were pre-recorded, it's why there wasn't an encore. But the interactions between the songs was done live. You could tell because at one point when the girls started to speak, the mics weren't at full volume so there was some tinkering they had to do on the spot.

Honestly though, it sort of makes sense. Gen 3 is popular for their personality, not their dancing potential.

>>13551520
Sorry for your shit taste, how can you not get fired up when she sings some of those anime OP's? Not a professional singer by any means, sure, but unique and tons of fun.

I actually prefers them pre recorded than live concert IF they actually don't have the talent or the physique to do so. Example, Mellissa is a great singer but her live singing is so so t.nijiwatcher

>>13551818
bruh

>>13545346
Vtubing is fat girls pretending to be anime pretending to care about otaku culture and vidya
Does it really surprise they're also pretending to sing and dance at the same time?

>>13547420
Gtfo shill

>>13550788
Please be real

>>13550221
People know the quality they'll get, and they know the quality they want. I don't want to watch pre-recorded shit that I could just watch a stream of online.

>>13550891
Like, honestly who cares if the best your streamer can do is stomp their legs and spin in circles? If I paid for a ticket, I want my oshi to be stomping their legs and spinning in circles right there. Not having done this weeks beforehand already.

>>13550959
I wouldn’t exactly call what Marine did at Mel’s Birthday Live dancing, it was cute but it was clear the bar was lowered immensely for that one song so that Marine wouldn’t be laid out passed out cold on the floor halfway through the song.

>>13551025
>doing a simple back flip is an acrobatic and profissional move
can't make this shit up. Coco and Festival can dance and move like that too, it's just that the gen 3 girls that are either obese or just old as fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEpZrSPkeqY

Just watch Mel's birthday Live if you want better dancing. Gen 3 is filled with Holos who can't dance and have no stamina.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNLt7VDA-mk

>>13552328
> Gen 3 is old as fuck
Excuses, most of them are still in their 20s.

>>13552409
>he doesn't know

>>13545999
So what the fuck do they do in the dancing lessons? You would expect even the most clumsy would get somewhere after months of dancing lessons. I'm not saying they will become k-pop dancers tier but at least competent...

>>13552450
Anon don’t tell me…. Let me dream.

>>13550657
The girls in Hololive stream a LOT per week so they don't have that much time to practice, while people in Niji just spend time practicing instead of streaming because they don't have that many people watching their streams anyway.

>>13552484
Here is my rrat: they don’t nearly have as many dance lessons as they let their audience think. Dance lessons are used as an excuse to take a break from streaming. If they do have lessons they’re only for an hour or 2, not a whole day like they try to make people believe. There is no way the girls wouldn’t improve at dancing if they actually practiced for as long as they say they are.

>>13552484
See
>>13552553

>>13552553
> The girls in Hololive stream a lot
Kek stopped reading from there.

>>13545346
Who gives a shit unless you can actually be in the audience?

>>13552658
They sell tickets for people to watch the stream.

>>13552409
Marine: completely out of shape
Rushia: perpetually in poor health
Noel: Her tits are too large and would become weapons if she tried to dance

Flare: Oldest so might be debuffed slightly but better than the above
Pekora: Only one able to dance probably but had limiters set on her to not embarrass her peers

If these things don't bomb it's gonna set a horrible precedent to the entire japanese entertainment industry, they're gonna think they can half ass a production and simps will still throw them money.

>>13552553
Anon, less than 15 hours per week on average (and that's on a normal week without preparing for lives) is not a long time. A normal part-time job is 20 hours per week without counting commuting or extrahours, these girls stream from her fome.
You can't convince me what you're saying isn't nonsense.

>>13552595
Correct. A member of Love Live said she had a 40 minute dance lesson with a sensei every two weeks from 23h to 23h40 when everyone thought she was grinding 8 hours a day for two weeks.
It's petty dishonest.

>>13552756
And?

>>13552877
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hw4RkXwjAk
nah

>>13552595
That's exactly what i'm thinking. I really don't want to think cynically about them but that's what i'm being led to believe after over a year of them talking about dancing and singing lessons. I mean, some like Subaru and Korone improved greatly but i can't say the same about the others (both of them btw are among the ones doing more streams hours, so it isn't an excuse).
And i have a similar opinion about the "recordings". I think they would release way more of whatever they're recording considering how much time they put into it.
I don't want to apply to everyone though, there has been a few that have overworked so much they fell ill.

>>13552553
>Niji just spend time practicing instead of streaming
Many in niji are now studying (for example, Mito) or work, and vtubing is just a hobby for them, and holo doing it like work

>>13552759
Pekora: Only one able to dance probably but had limiters set on her to not embarrass her peers

Really? I haven't see her do a serious choreography before. Do you have videos of this?

>>13552939
SHE WOULDN'T JUST LIE TO GET SYMPATHY POINTS FROM YOU, WOULD SHE? I MEAN SHE IS A WOMAN AND CAN DO NO WRONG

>Niji good and honest
>Hololive bad and liars

>>13553043
she has some cutesy slow moves but I wouldn't call that good dancing specially if she's really been having regular lessons for two years

>>13552895
If I pay to see a stream I expect the performance to be live, I also expect the performance to be decent. Especially at the price they sell those tickets.

>>13552553
Suisei dont stream a lot for recordings and to practice dancings and offstream game grindings too and still gain decent views

>>13552769
They’d be right in thinking that. Simps WILL throw money at them no matter what.

>>13553002
>now studying
oh no

>>13553161
OK. So don't pay. But this is whatever since you have never watched Hololive streams anyway.

The cope holos have in this thread really makes me embarrassed to call myself a holo fan... Nijiniggers...

>>13552978
I mean, have you never considered the fact that some of them started avoiding men/certain collab partners after they got popular? Or in the first place, the whole pandering to emotionally vulnerable lonely men thing? It's very easy to be cynical about it all, don't see why the excuses that are used for taking days off would be the tipping point. I recommend just not thinking about it too much, but also not taking it seriously like it's important too you. Just enjoy the entertainment

>>13553182
Jesus fucking christ indog fix your granmar.

>>13553217
> IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT DON’T WATCH IT. A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMPANY CAN DO NO WRONNNNG.
Kek, I don’t understand what leads someone to act like that.

>>13552553
>stream a lot
This.
3rd gen has amazing work ethic and long streaming hours. They also stream longer than any other niji. Obviously they can't dedicate as much time to practicing singing and dancing compared to some part-timers.

>>13551981
>>13548620
I'm just sayin'

>>13553302
> Pekora is the entirety of Gen 3

>>13553294
Why are you so mad? Everyone's taking your bait and you still seethe. Can't you be happy for once?

>>13553002
I pity the university that accepted mito of all people

>>13553237
This. I love Hololive but the second I start thinking about this for more than 5 seconds I start getting uncomfortable. You can really tell at times that Hololive’s entire business model revolves around lying and pandering to lonely men.

>>13553087
>number bunny will lie just to skip streaming
this rrat makes no sense anon

>>13553363
I’m not mad and I haven’t tried to bait anyone, just because what I said doesn’t align with what the voices in your head tell you about Hololive doesn’t mean I’m trying to bait anyone.

so what exactly makes you think it wasn't live, the skits?

>>13553398
Maybe she got railed at a love hotel by her bf for seven hours straight

>>13553448
>Voices in head
>Holokeks
The irony. Stop lying.

>>13553485
The cuts, first and foremost
and the voices didn't match their movements at all it was scuffed af, I thought it could be audio desync from the stream but no sometimes it was kind of on point

>>13545346
It was a good show despite being pre-recorded. Don't know why people are being so critcal of everything Hololive does

>>13553751
I can tell you. Because they are popular and their fans love them and that is just too much for some schizos.

>>13553237
Not thinking too much about it (while being aware of it) and separate a bit from it as entretainment, instead of falling into the parasocial relationships nets is great advice.
Being obsessive about all of this is mentally unhealthy and makes you very prone to getting scammed and taken advantage of.

>>13553655
Na she kept complaining about how autistic her fanbase was, I couldn’t put it in her that time.

>>13553751
>They lied that the concert would be live
>Launched pre-recorded video that they usually show for free
>took money for it
I wonder why people are unhappy?

>>13553732
The cuts? Can't be sure how retarded you're being since it's not specific. Live shows have been able to do interesting 'cuts' since the early 00s.
Audio is the same thing, we can't even be sure you watched it on SPWN
The girls for sure performed the dancing that day, maybe you have no awareness of how people would be acting if they do such a deed because you watch too much TV

>>13553936
>people
2 or 3 schizos.

>>13553962
> t. Average Holo watcher
Anon anybody who watched the stream for more than 5 minutes could tell it was pre-recorded. It being pre-recorded the day of doesn’t make it any better.

>>13553936
Where are all these so-called unhappy fans? Isn't it enough to see your oshi sing, dance, and perform live?

>>13553962
I get the impression that the dancing is usually live, while the singing is recorded. Which would make sense, since singing and dancing at the same time would obviously be too much for a lot of them.

>>13553962
what the fuck is this post lmao

>>13554021
that doesn't make sense.
where is your evidence?
>>13554058
I don't know how normal that is but seems that way, some obvious exceptions like towa and the live band
>>13554097
cope

>>13545346
This is nothing new. Nor was it a secret. You are dumb retard who has misplaced his expectations and has taken this long to notice your understanding was wrong. Make another nux thread or something fag.

>>13554045
>live
I was not allowed to see this. I just watched a paid video.

>>13553936
>I wonder why people are unhappy?
Are people really unhappy though? And by people I'm not talking about the schizos in this board.

>>13554122
It was live at the moment they recorded it

>>13547309
It was kinda underwhelming to say the least. There were some shitty skits every 10 mins, the background visuals were pretty crap especially compared to nene or polka's 3d debut bg, the choreography was boring, song choices weren't that great, and there was no hype moment in general. People expected more since it is the 1st live of 3rd gen, the most successful gen in hololive, which lead to the negative reactions. It's okay if you didn't pay for it but I really feel bad for those who paid to see it "live" and for those who paid 50 days worth of food to see it online

>>13547967
NTA but they don't need to do everything perfect, the Idol path is pretty much seeing them to improve from zero

>>13554272
>50 days worth of food to see it online
in indonesia?
It was like 2 pack of cigarettes here

>>13554152
The people outside this board and JP equivalent of this board are all yes-men, so it’s safe to say it’s only on this board.

>>13545346
The concert was a huge success and no amount of seething about it being "pre-recorded" from this board will change the minds of fans who actually love these girls.

>>13554321
Wasnt it 60 dollars?

>>13550971
Nope, her concert was for free.
At least the from 1st concert was good and they did it live unlike here

>>13554152
These are the results of NND's poll they do at the end of every paid livestream, 1 is the best and 5 being the worst. It's extremely rare for 1 to be under 95% at a paid event, considering these votes come from the most loyal of paying customers. 92.2% is abysmal. 1 in 25 voted below mediocre, and more that 1 in 50 were disappointed or worse.
As comparison Beyond the stage slashed 97.6/1.3/0.5/0.2/0.5. So people are, noticeably discontent.

>>13554321
Nah it was just a jp annon saying that he payed 50 days worth of food as a shitpost probably

>>13554397
I think what you're trying to imply is that their fans have been so brainwasedh into dropping any kind of quality standards they can literally get away with anything.
I'm checking even Pekora's fan thread and there's plenty of people underwhelmed though.
I think it's better to let them know what went good and what went bad instead of being like a retard insisting they can do no wrong and every single criticism are antis.
Otherwise the quality for this things are going to keep going lower and lower since you're so easily impressed.

>>13554426
don't know, it was 32 quid in the superior GDP. Which is 2 packs of cigarettes

>>13552409
You are not thaaat wrong with their ages, but they are clearly out of shape

full concert archive where

literally anywhere

>>13554547
I can see that you have to drop the ball hard to dissapoint the kind of fans paying for this, specially since they're streamers and do fake scarcity of this 3D things the standards are pretty low.
But from the comments of others (haven't watched the concert myself) it feels like it was 6-7/10 concert. Not bad, just forgettable.

>>13554592
autocorrect, GBP

>>13554566
This. Only the most hardcore fans would pay this much for an event, so it’s normal that they would call it a masterpiece. This coupled with the fact that the average Holo watcher would watch paint dry off a wall if that wall had a Cover logo slapped onto it makes it really hard to actually assess what people thought.

>>13554547
1 in 25 didn't vote below mediocre, 3
ふつラだった
is fairly good

>>13554848
"fairly good" is 2, まあまあ良かった
ふつうだった is literally "mid". It's not what's used to describe anything in a positive tone, although it happens to be placed numerically neutral on this scale.

>>13554958
so not mediocre.

>>13554547
Do we have this for previous paid concerts this year?
I'd love to see some more

>>13554848
普通 (ふつう) means "normal, ordinary", just ok. I think it's fair to say it's a let down for people getting hyped into it.
The equivalent of this is a 60 dollars videogame getting a 7 over 10 or less.

>>13554848
Even the second option reads "It was alright" to me. Consider the polite nature of the Japanese, and that these people are all hardcore fans, that's almost 8% of people who thought to themselves "I'm not actually satisfied with this".

>>13555031
It looks highly rated to me, don't have a clue what you're talking about. Almost 97% thought it was good.

>>13554993
It's literally in the word

>>13555080
middleocre? do you know words?

The mental gymnastics going on right now are really something special.

>>13554547
Well it's doing 5% worse than other Holo's live but what about Niji or other companies? 92% doesn't seem to be that bad honestly.

Cover can't seem to be able to make good 3d lives without Bushiroad.

>>13555066
You don't know how ratings on nnd tend to look, they're very often over 99% 1

>>13554848
>ふつラだった
>ラ
It's う. ふつう.

>Gen 1 fes
>Gen 3 fes
Which one anons?

>>13555066
Not talking about all the fans in general, was talking about the people who used that option to vote, they didn't think "it was fairly good", they thought it was "meh, okay i guess".

>>13555096
Are you really that dishonest or just dumb?

>>13555028
>poll results for Beyond the Stage
Matome blogs probably have more

>>13555190
shut up ESL
>>13555131
I mean no one here is comparing it to Suisei's or Watame's live with their original song setlist but to act like it's a big negative reaction is extremely reaching.
Especially since it's supposed to be about being mad at pre-recordings.

>>13555226
>Supported by bushiroad
Kek

>>13555136
From 1st obviously

>>13555226
Ia there the poll results from 1st and watame and suisei sololive?

>>13550891
jesus, that rushia
it's like watching a 5 year old do what they think is a pirouette

>>13555352
Sololives weren't on NND

>>13555247
You're uneducated and thinks you know shit. that's why you will mever achieve anything in your life

In the first place, what do you expect from neet streamer live concert lmao. I think you are putting your expectations too high man

>>13555103
https://files.catbox.moe/j3re0v.webm

>>13555716
People were probably expecting it to be on par with the 2 sololives that came before this.

>>13555747
It's unfair to compare it with another company

>>13555923
I agree, because the fanbases are probably different. But >>13555103 asked for it

>>13555546
then check it with from1st and bloom then?

>>13555877
Obviously you can compare this to suisei’s, she literally doesn’t stream more than 4 to 5 times a month to practice dancing (she was so bad at it now she’s decent at least) and singing, she did like 4 songs without a break. It’s obvious she’s dedicated and has passion for it. Gen 3 is first and foremost popular streamer. People’s bought this probably just to see their oshi on the stage without expectations of it going to have a good choreographed dance and live singing.

>>13555103
Light up Tones day 2 (1 August 2021). I'm pretty sure day 1 was above 99% but couldn't find the image.

Niji has the better concerts
Hololive has the better streams
simple as

>>13555625
dude you made yourself look extra retarded doing that. There is no relation between mediocre and middle.

>>13555136
From 1st is just tiers above.
I Wanna see if any whole Gen concert can beat that quality

>>13556158
Ironic that one is the Idol corpo and the other the streaming corpo

>>13550657
>Believing is them and not a paid dancers
Anon...you weren't for HSK 3D debut, do you?

>>13550891
>>13551025
>

>>13556229
HAHAHAHAHAHHA I just gave you the etymology of the word "medio" , the radical of "mediocre", it literally means middle
Anyway I'm done replying you're absurdly dumb

>>13556347
stop coping ESL

>>13556059
Isn't that the one with the AR thing?
If it is, of course will be score better than this live.

>>13552553
>>13553302
>stream a lot
>They also stream longer than any other niji
Stopped reading from that point. that hag rin can move better and i doubt they stream longer & as frequent as than her

Relax with the whos good at dancing shit, the best type of dancing is the dancing a whore does so what does it matter.

>>13556543
Yeah idk why the conversation shifted to dancing skills, a show not being as great as it could be is not neccessarily because of a lack of dancing skills

>>13553962
HAHAHAHA holy crap this is the copium post of the year on vt and I've seen some shit

>>13556676
>cognitive dissonance

>>13556303
he just became my oshi

>>13556436
Most of Niji's concerts have at least some sort of AR aspect nowadays, it's their norm now

I just genuinely feel bad for holos and suisey and korone and even watame who puts their all into the grind and believe in the idol dream and then you have holos from this group who tries to coast it through and put in minimal effort. To Pekora's credit though, she probably danced the most and had more movements compared to the rest. Thinking back onto Suisei's concert really put some perspective on how much of a cash grab this is and now I'm also sad that she speak up for holos in interviews regarding the stigma that they are not true idols.

>>13552484
>So what the fuck do they do in the dancing lessons?
>implying there were ever any lessons
Remember Okayu on stage? Yeah.

>>13556900
Right, that's the thing. People said things like don't compare it to Niji but that's not the point. Suisei and Watame put in efforts to practice and planned things out and their events turned out amazing. The 3rd gens only want money and they don't even care enough to put in some efforts to make their event good.

>>13554547
>92% is bad
Please go outside

>people are surprised the most corporate gen half-assed a concert

>>13556059
>>13555747
insane mogging

>>13557212
it's not even 2 digits difference anon

chinks sure are angry today lol

>>13557322
desu the ignorant white knight seems to be the only one mad here

>>13555747
>>13556059
These numbers actually pique my interest. Are they that good?

>>13557409
kek

>>13545641
>Kike
What did he mean by this

>>13557161
really puts into perspective how much the culture of consumption wins over effort. Not to downplay any of the 3rd gens long hours clock into streaming but the effort necessary to stream is significantly lesser than to improve at singing or dancing. That's really not an argument to be made there. Like, I love Marine as a person but she relies on meme fame alot. Hololive being hololive means that people who actually want to be idols get dragged down as a whole by other holos and management who don't see the point of the grind. This live shows that will likely not change and some holos are better off retiring or moving on if they really want that superstar success.

>>13557476
I don't know what kind of shounen show level of improvement you're expecting but literally everyone has improved a ton since last year, even Marine's dancing and singing.

>>13554045
I dunno, tried to watch Kiara's watchalong?
You could see her growing disappointment in real time to the point she had to sing encore herself

>>13556030
>she literally doesn’t stream more than 4 to 5 times a month
she streams 3 times a week at least

>>13557576
one that is worth the 60 usd price tag anon. You got to be kidding yourself if you think any of this is justified. It's not even shounen level growth, people like Subaru, Korone and Suisei couldn't even manage a proper chereo before their 3d lives but slayed it.

>>13557476
The superstars sucess fallacy does not apply, idols dont get rich, I guarantee you these 3rd gen girls make more in a week than the sucessful idols make in a year. Specially regarding their age, they're better off doing their thing. They do these lives(?) for fun, money, and exposure for sponsorships, not for artistic value and fulfillment.

>>13546372
Yes
Also how can you compare cartoon and idol/streamer group to each other? What's the common ground besides the art?

>>13557409
nijifag here
Light up tones: must watch, day 1 is more singing heavy, day 2 is more idol/performance heavy
Reincarnation: can skip unless you're a Rin!/jkgumi oshi
Nijirock: a bit shit except the non-solo parts
initial step: very fun but not a "must watch" unless you're a really veteran fan, decidedly better than nijirock
kuzuha solo: middle variety part drags but otherwise ok, surprisingly good setlist
mito solo: really really good, but a vast majority of the setlist are her originals

>>13557576
No one is saying they haven't improved, let the mems show off their efforts then. People came to see a concert, so let them see one. Less fodder skits, more actual movement would have been so much more appreciated.

>>13554152
I was always unhappy about the concerts being pre-recorded anon even a year plus ago but people were in denial that they were live.

>>13556030
its not about the passion anon. It is also about suisei having standards for herself along with the standards that she feels that her hoshiyomis should receive. if they are first nad foremost streamers they should have promoted this as something else, not as live that deserve that price tag. this was bad even by underground idols standard

>>13557866
I don't really care about pre-recorded performances if it's done well and immersive enough.
Hired dancers being in the chuuba suit is a no-go though.

>>13557784
cool, I guess I'll take a look. That's a lot of live events.

>>13557706
>do it because there are people with zero standards willing to pay 60 usd for half assing it
fix that for you and you've pretty much accepted that the bar has been lowered. Or you know, lowest.

>>13557889
Eh, I chalk tit up to more of an difference in experience. Suisei does live concerts all the time (7 this year) so she knows how to handle a stage. 3rd Gen not so much, so they needed a bit more help.

I don’t care about it being good or bad but 5000yen are less than 45usd and not 60 usd

>>13557889
Man hoshiyomis are really pathetic huh

>>13558116
The total expense comes closer to 60 since nnd has a gacha esque system of making you buy their "points" to buy a ticket. Perhaps more with VAT and bullshit "service fees" and currency conversion fees.

>>13558180
stop blaming other fanbases

>>13558273
Everyone who uses nnd and not spwn deserves this

>>13558180
>only holo that top oricon charts a few times
>20k viewers if she actually cares
>40k on her karaoke streams
>album sold out
>spwn was overwhelmed during her live
>hosted multiple radios, have actual network connections with established seiyus
>pathetic
hoshiyomis always have to hold back anon

>>13557476
Eh, I don’t think Marine is riding the meme fame any more than other streamers. Because that’s the thing, Holos ate streamers larping as idols. Gen 3 never signed on to be idols, it was something imposed on them after they signed their contracts. I still think Marine is one of the funniest Holos in JP, she’s witty and great at story telling, which are all things that make a good streamer. Riding the meme fame would be what Gura did back in her Senz day, in my opinion.

>>13558351
chill, bro
this thread isn't about suisei

>>13558351
I love how you're falling for bait, keep it up anon, maybe someday she will accomplish something that is worth to brag about it and you can stop crying.

>thread is about sankisei concert
>suisei praise while insulting gen 3 out of nowhere
hoshifags just couldn't help themselves huh?

>>13558799
can you stop trying?

>>13558351
I respect Suisei's grind and have been subbed to her since 30k, but her singing abilities are rather overrated and hasn't improved much over the years either. Tenkyuu and GHOST rank very high in my list of vtuber originals, but most my praise goes towards the insane instrumentals and not Suisei's vocal.

>>13558634
yeah like dancing like a flatboard pre recorded, that level of impressive is what im after anon

>>13558851
fuck you i just entered the thread, and i saw all you hoshifags starting shit again

>>13558851
He already did. Look at the poor quality bait.

>>13545346
How were the new outfits?

>>13548827
I believe if they put in any more effort Rushia and Marine would fucking die on stage
How both of them are out of breath and crawling on all 4 doing an announcement stream are beyond me

>>13558932
>i just entered the thread
no you didn't

>>13559016
jesus.. your schizo really made you paranoid to the point that every anon who points out your disgusting fanbase are the same people

>>13552328
>anon does not know what a backflip is

It's "ok" atmost if we are following the description on what it's going to be. The main point of the live was they(cover/management) were trying something new, unlike the usual concert this one is more of a story type thing on it(which they hinted). It looked like the usual musical live shows. They did pretty well executing it. Problem here is, that was a concert, and I watched it expecting it more of a concert. Change the word "concert" to "show" and I would probably really enjoy it. They could have toned it down and it would be better too. The talents on the other hand did pretty well(can probably do better even) in both singing and dancing, probs are some songs I was expecting was not there and that they also seem restricted by the dance choreo given to them. The credits performance is pretty good for example in comparison, given it has good choreo. It's pretty underwhelming ngl. I can say this critism despite being my favorite gen and one of them being my oshi. Still really enjoyed it though, just can't say I am satisfied.

>>13556900
I feel like it’s unfair to compare them to Suisei. She dedicated her entire career to being an idol so it’s no surprise that she is better than 5 people whose main job is streaming
Different job, different focus

>>13559087
anon, there were 79 IPs when >>13558799 happened and it didn't change until >>13558969
I'll ask again, can you stop trying?

>>13559126
The story is actually lacking. The MV lead me to believe that they will go on a journey around their world, each one of them will slowly awaken their idol side through singing and then face a final boss together magical girl style
That would actually be Kino holy shit. Even better if they compose original song for it. Hope Cover treat this as a learning experience because I am looking forward to this type of concert

>>13559126
Anon, your quality standards...

>>13559249
yah that's why is said it's just "ok" even with the description it's meant

>>13559249
what?

>>13559005
They can increase their stamina by exercising. They fact that they didn't exercise nor did they take the dance and singing lesson seriously really shows that they just simply don't care and they probably think that their fans are paypiggies that don't deserve anything.

>>13554547
now this is cope

>>13555247
uneducated high school dropout btfo

>>13559141
>>13559141
>watame
>korone
>subaru
>coco
>aqua
>towa
>matsuri
>i'll even give myself a little stab by naming Sora

there's always going to be "different focus" or "101 reasons why" but less potentially dying from a weak body it all boils down to "there's no need to put in the effort" or "I just don't want to".

>>13559429
ESL

You're retarded i was here before
>>13548762 (me)
I came to check how the thread was going then i saw you hoshifags getting uppity again.
Can you stop shitting up the thread?

>>13556383
>>13556229
apologize

>>13559186

>>13559459

>>13559280
Didn't express it being good though?? It's even underwhelming.

>>13559316
Nah nothing. It just me imagining what could have been

>>13559481
>1500s
ESL cope

>>13559459
sure

>>13559304(me)
*I

>>13559430
At least Pekora put in a little effort

>>13559459
this thread had a general consensus that it was bad even before the suisei mention. Her live was used as a gauge of quality and there's literally nothing wrong with that. Both concerts cost the same price and one was abysmal. We can use Korone's one if you want, but that's not even a paid live and somehow has more energy than this.

>>13559518
you're so fucking paranoid
schizo really did some damage on you hoshifags huh

>>13559539
anon here, I agree. Also agree with anon on top who said she had limiters forced on her.

>>13558541
>"why dont you lie down marine?"
>"ah, rushia is about to teach me something !"
She's a god send

>>13559603
sure

>>13559510
this is the just the difference between a native english speake who has received an education (me) and a poor, white trash dropout (you). the average esl has a better understanding of the english language than an impoverished retard like you who hasn't opened a book since middle school

>schizo still trying to make Hoshiyomis look bad
he will never give up

>>13559126
I have a nagging feeling that gen3 make so much money, Cover cannot realistically compensate them enough just from the revenue of a single event. These girls make 5 digits an hour streaming. With that kind of hourly time spent in dance lessons or whatever has a non-negligible opportunity cost to it. It's natural these downtimes would want to be kept to a minimum, and the production quality this time around reflects this attitude.

>>13558887
Musicianfag here, not a suisei fan, in fact I dont think I've ever watched her stream but her clips singing put her at least top3 in hololive, she's better than Irys

>>13559356
Well they don’t feel the need to do that cause it’s not their main focus. I mean you can argue that they don’t care about their fan, I agree with that but at the end of the day, they only do this once so there’s no need for them to spend years training and exercising for it if you know what I mean

Maybe they should just pratice dancing and singing a lot and leave streaming on the backburner. Then they could just leech from someone like Suisei does to Miko to be relevant.

>>13559005
Anon-chama, I am pretty sure they were memeing....

>changing narratives

>>13559642
I felt third degree cringe reading this
embarassing

>>13559642
mate you will never understand real English with your nose that far up your own arse

>>13559572
i'm not denying that the concert could've used some more polish and better production value
but this unironic hoshifag with his list of "goodness" is obviously looking for trouble >>13558351
>>13557889
>its not about the passion anon. It is also about suisei having standards for herself along with the standards that she feels that her hoshiyomis should receive.
Is this hoshifag implying that sankisei doesn't have standards for their fans?

>13559768
>trying to bait again

>>13559681
Oh I don't doubt her superiority within the agency, although idk much about Irys's abilities. It just feels off that she's topping national charts, and even moreso that some of her fanbase considers it deserved. She's not THAT levels of good.

>>13559768
it's a falseflagger
so are you, probably

>>13559662
This anon gets it. I'm sure they're pnly doing this for fun or because they're bound by contract.

>>13559810
Topping charts only means you're popular.

>>13559697
Anon, they want to be streamers, not idol like Suisei
Suisei already cover the idol aspect well enough, we don’t need more

>>13559850
We're all falseflaggers here. Or at least this is what I hope.

>>13559850
>no true scotsman

>>13559768
anon here. look, we can argue all day about semantics or who had the final say but it boils down to whether anyone truly believe this was worth the ticket price as compared to literally any other hololive concerts. Even the free ones had chereo and lighting better than this. If you want to argue subjectivity and that it is good for you because murr oshi then that's fine and there's literally no point to keep going. But objectively this is bad and stinks of easy cash grab, whether the girls genuinely believe in that or not.

My oshi is Pekora and it feel like a missed opportunity to not have Pekorandombrain in the concert. Literally her only original and they would rather have her singing something else instead
I’m pretty sure other Holos have sing it more than her

>>13559810
Oh you dont need to be good to top in oricon. You just need to be trendy. A bunch of mediocre stuff has topped oricpn throughout the years but they were cool stuff you know? Like Yui Ogura or Ayana Taketatsu.
Irys is pretty legit, never bothered to look up roomate but she sounds young and inexperienced. She's got range and can sing anything. Suisei gets songs to a tee and has a perfect tone and style for anisong, if I were a betting man I'd wager she had dwhango training.

>>13559994
I don't think she likes the song tbqh

>>13559681
out of curiosity what do you think of cali

>>13559966
I would say it wasn't that expensive in my currency.

>>13560137
Better than Coco, Kiara, Ina. Worse than Gura, Flare and Noel.

>>13560301
>worse than noel
yikes forever

>>13556030
>she literally doesn’t stream more than 4 to 5 times a month
Ask me how I know you don’t watch Suityan.

>>13560137
nta but Cali feels like listening to Avril Lavigne in 2021. It's not bad but nothing more than decent, and most of all it's so outdated it's almost nostalgic although I've only heard it a handful of times.

>>13560093
>but she sounds young and inexperienced.
He doesn’t know…

>>13556030
>People’s bought this probably just to see their oshi on the stage without expectations
what a cuck. dont talk for me, you worthless faggot. just because you dont have any expectations in your life doesnt mean everyone thinks that way

>>13559005
Did you forget Marine, Rushia are playing Kayfabe? That’s their character gimmick. I think they’re both fit in IRL

I didn't watch it

>>13559697
retard

>>13560137
She mainly raps, no? I can't say I care about the style
But from the anisongs I've listened from her karaoke she's not good but at least puts some effort and she's improved immensity since debut. Who knows, when EN3d happens we might see her do some idol steps and high voices

>>13560595
Oh shit tell me

>>13560703
Anon, without knowing their personal lives, considering their job is being a streamer from their house playing videogames and they come from a background of otaku semi-hikki circles i would guess it's more likely they aren't fit at all.

Yeah so... Holofag here. I don't actually care about concerts, I ain't paying to watch a bunch of anime girls dance or have dancers while they sing in the background and think everyone who pays for it is a massive faggot with way too much free time. I'm here for my oshi's streams, buy maybe a mug or two since the dog likes to break mines and relax.

>>13560703
Marine idk, but Rushia literally has asthma so she would lose her breath anyways like happened in a 3D collab not much ago where she had to sit down for a bit

Gen 3 is a Gen full of people who only care about streaming, never showed interest in the idol bullshit. The concert was probably put on either for fun or because they were forced to.
> OMG THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT US FANS
Why is /vt/ like this?

>>13561224
Marine has talked about her diet, and she eats like total garbage. I doubt she’d be in shape.

>>13561519
My point was that even Rushia having a good diet and being healther doesn't avoid completely the possibility of her having an asthmatic attack

For Rushia, instead of her weird flappy dance, I'd just have her do the same thing as power balad singers, stand there in front of the mic and make powerful, well timed hand gestures, it looks good, and you don't even need to move your legs.

>>13545346
>everything is prerecorded because I said so!
meds
>>13545999
>>13547967
>n-no they can't dance it's all fake they're all landwhales because I said so aaaa
Meds.
>>13549978
>my opinion is the cold hard truth and you're all coping!
MEDS.
>>13551025
>NO NO NO THOSE ARE OTHER PEOPLE PERFORMING COPE COPE REEE!
TAKE. YOUR. MEDS.
...
you are all mentally ill, holy fuck.

>>13560703
>Marine
>fit
https://youtu.be/VEpZrSPkeqY

>>13561956
we will never have a recurring series of matsuri teaching marine how to dance......