/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I prefer prism

>>13483261
indie chad here

>>13483261
>patriarchal
>when the Holostars get treated like 3rd class citizens

>>13483261
Hololive, if no cover, then no hololive, if cover takes over niji, Niji will be popular, if cover takes Vshojo, vshojo will be popular, the fact that hololive is popular is not because of their talents, it’s cover’s management.

Hololive

>>13483261
Who will (You) choose /vt/?
God is dead

HoloLive for me.

Vshojo being able to do 'whatever they want' sounds nice on paper, but only Melody actually uses that freedom to do interesting stuff, like porn. Everyone else in Vshojo just does the occasional peepee poopoo tiddy joke for the easy clipper bait, and then proceeds to do jack fuck with their freedom.

>>13483261

>>13483261
>Nijisanji: female talents have lighty restrictions, like their male counterparts.
Don't they enforce collab restrictions, mandaory participation on company events, and collab fees?

>>13483261
didn't even read
whichever one has Miko of course

>>13483627
I WILL DESTROY THE THRONE

I like strawmen that burn.

>>13483416
Those fuckers are lucky that Polygon hasnt opened a EN Branch. Prism and the rest of the ENstartups would get fucking smoked

I think I like fictional idols more because they don't graduate to whore themselves out and don't have boyfriends while active

If think you mean Nijisanji relegates their females to be the cock warmers for their more successful male counterparts.

>>13483261
Anything other than Nijisanji. Hell I even go Bilibili if I have to.

>>13483922
true, niji is the patriarchal one

>>13483737
do you believe everything that you read on /vt/?

>>13484137
Sadly most of the people here in /vt/ do.

>>13483261
The one that produced my oshi.

>>13483261
I like all of them
Except for vshojo
But desu the NijiEN threads with crab game, clash and Ninas DK2/bday streams where shitloads of fun

>>13483261
hololive

>>13483865
who?

>>13483519
lol weak bait

I watch individuals, not companies

that said I avoid hololive because I dont like having cancerous clipfag channels filling my recommendations

>>13484467
caterpi...?

Nijisanji's model leads to the most fun content due to the freedom afforded to their talents and the management staff fully supporting their ideas instead of stifling them. They're allowed to do pretty much anything that's within Youtube ToS and won't get them copyright striked and many of them take full advantage of that freedom like Mashiro or Mito or Utako to do some pretty crazy shit.

Unfortunately this also means more risk and more alienation of EOPs since it's not as accessible as endless Minecraft and karaoke streams. Hololive's structured style makes it very easy to get into and tune in whenever without missing anything or having to keep up with lots of lore and events from past streams. They're literally always playing Minecraft or fotm games so you'll never miss anything from being an EOP.

Meanwhile VShojo is like the other end of the horseshoe, since it's not a real company they're never pressured to produce good content and that leads to stagnation from too much freedom.

>>13483261
I'll watch whoever I find entertaining, I'm not going to suck a company's dick

>>13484566
nigga which side do you start eating the chocolate cornet

>>13483261
>Niji
>females
Stopped reading right there. Their female chuubas are dropping like flies and its not like they graduate to quit streaming.

>>13484314
I'd watch hololive more if the thread was a bit slower, it's too fast to really enjoy the streams while the NijiEN thread is fast enough to not be awkward but not fast enough to where I can't get a word in edgewise
It's also irritating how most of the holo thread is image spam

>>13484467
A very good take

>>13483416
A fascist regime? How does that work for a company?

>>13483416
Based

>>13483261
>patriarchal
Favors women, holostars BTFO
>egalitarian
Favors men, nijifemales BTFO
>matriarchal
Favors sluts, trannies, and interracial, nux BTFO

>but Miko
holocuck it is then

>>13483261
Hololive JP, HololiveEN: Gura and Ame only, NijiEN: Selen and Rosemi only
The rest are pure shit.

Hololive of course. The oppression is what makes them quality, and what freedom granted forms the faults with Hololive. Imagine if they were more oppressed by management, Ayame would be forced to stream. It'd be fantastic.

The answer is which one has the most shotas.

774 inc and Vspo are top quality

>>13483718
Haneru is fucking SEX
But her voice filters me so hard.

>>13484567
>hololive just does the same thing all the time
>this is a good thing
>vshojo just does the same thing all the time (but with 1000x more game variety)
>this is a bad thing

People also keep saying vshojo doesn't branch out or do new things. Mel outside of just doing porn has done lots of real life collabs and weird shit like having a dude walk around with her facetiming a tablet on his face so she could go on a date with a Japanese girl. Or had live cooking with another popular streamer. Or they regularly have VRchat exploration and hangout sessions.

I mean I know you're holobronies but at least do a basic clip search.

>>13486092
If it wasn't clear I'm a Nijifag and find Hololive extremely boring so being called a holobrony is funny.

>>13486092
It's obvious he's a Nijifag and honestly Nijisanji has the same stuff too. Roha does VR, ID branch had a whole VR chat celebration, lots of people do cooking and even off-collab cooking, Noraneko hired a Japanese guy to walk around India in glorious 144p...
VShoujo seems nice but it feels a bit disorganized and hard to follow happenings if you're not really into it so I only passively watch. Melody's got interesting collabs I'll say that.

>>13483261
This is like choosing between the empire the rebels and jabba the hutt, who the fuck would pick anything but the empire?

>>13486809
who's the empire though

>>13486092
>having a dude walk around with her facetiming a tablet on his face so she could go on a date with a Japanese girl
Link to this?

>>13483261
Hololive is also a Theocracy, which is based, so they win

>>13487010
Hololive, their management is the only ones that enforces order

>>13487312
It sure isn't a meritocracy

I reject all of them.
I choose the Monastic Order of male 2views.

>>13483261
>female talents are free to do whatever they want
>they're all literal normalfag sluts
Who would have guessed?

which of them are streaming halo infinite?

>>13483512
holostars are for women. no, you aren't supposed to talk about the gay men in their audience.

>>13483718
Holy sameface.

i hate nijiniggers, anything but nijiniggers.
AMA.

>>13490070
have you ever watched a Nijisanji stream?

Is there a vtuber that is a slut that admits to casual sex and tries to make viewers cum but also does light gfe stuff and won't get a boyfriend?

>>13483261
>Vshojo: female talents are free to do whatever they want.
does that include or exclude shooting themselves in the foot every other week

>>13483261
manjisanji is patriarchal

>>13490404
isnt that hololive

>>13483416
>Prism
They're just copying Hololive. What's the point?

>>13490831
Midwit thinks he's clever lmao, why do you twitchfags even bother coming here and why are there so many of you?

>>13490616
>manji
Based brother, may Nijisanji prosper with good luck and fortune to all the livers.

>>13483261
Hoiolive collabs: feels real, sounds fake, probably is fake
Nijisanji collabs: feels real, sounds real, probably fake
Vshojo collabs: feels fake, sounds fake, probably real

>>13484602
fuck you konata

>>13484602
the tail so all the chocolate goes to the front, but sometimes it spills.

>>13490070
Why are you gae?

>>13490356
Annietf

>>13491077
just showing holoschizos their place

>>13483261
None, indie for me, so libertarian, i suppose?

As someone who has watched both for a while, I actually think that Nijisanji has more real, actual restrictions on talents than hololive. Hololive has a more restrictive "culture" with more unwritten rules, sure, but that's mostly self-imposed stuff that plenty of talents have been free to break if they had the stones to without really facing much repercussion. Meanwhile there's lots of stuff that Nijis are outright forbidden from doing that's fine in hololive and holo managers generally don't explicitly forbid stuff unless they've been specifically burned by doing that thing before.

>>13483261
Vshojo and Nijisanji for me.

>>13486092
Those are nothing new. Kizuna, Akari, Luna, and some early 3Dchuuba did a lotta those shit in the past but better

>>13483261
Nijisanji because they gave me Selen

>>13492977
Give examples of something that Hololive allowed but not allowed in Nijisanji?

>>13484573
>faggot doesnt know the companys influence directly the talents behavior

>>13492977
This. All the current restriction from holo are for their talents since it risked their channel in the past, hence why the mane side are super paranoid. Meanwhile niji will straight up give their talent a character and told them to stick with it or btfo. This was uncovered during meiro-roa situation

>>13493332
>not paying collab fee
>break out and re-invent your chara persona/lore
>no forced event participation, it's alwys optional for holos
>Not sucking the dick of the most popular ones
>no fucking their male liver

>>13483627
Did he finally die for good in IV 2? I didn't finish that one.

>>13493407
>Meanwhile niji will straight up give their talent a character and told them to stick with it or btfo.
The only Livers that stick to their characters are DebiDebi, Mayuzumi, and Shiba Inu. The rest abandoned it after several stream.
>This was uncovered during meiro-roa situation
How is 20s years old titty streamers stealing 14 years old made up tic related to this?

>>13483512
like every system that concentrates the power on a few ones, most people are just ramdom peasants and get threated like shit regardless of being men or women

>>13483261
I like all 3

>>13483261
> Hololive: talents are oppressed by management to be pure idols and pander to possessive men.

stifled by restrictions, cannot interact with other agencies as often

> Nijisanji: female talents have lighty restrictions, like their male counterparts.

they WERE the standard of chuubas before mr corona happened

> Vshojo: female talents are free to do whatever they want.

but too much freedom has its own risks like trusting the wrong people, look no further than nux

>meanwhile, at Nijisanji headquarters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R91NunKqu-I

>>13493407
Only time they're forced to stick to kayfabe is in VPs.

>>13495168
>cannot interact with other agencies as often
This is a good thing. When I watch a Hololive stream I want to see Hololive talents

>>13495466
>insular
>arrogant
>borderline retarded
yup, a perfect example of holofag

>>13495695
>arrogant
>borderline retarded
Nice projection nigger

>>13495466
So this is the brain of an applefag applied to vtubers...

>>13495839
Why are you so mad? Having preferences is not a crime.

>>13495913
Why is your preference defined by a brand rather than individuals? Are you that incapable of developing your own tastes that you let brands dictate your life?

>>13493332
1. Nijis are always at the mercy of the management when it comes to collaborations. Sometimes they'd cancel it (like in the case of Millie) or you're forced to participate in it (like what Selen and Pomu revealed).
2. Nijisanji doesn't pay wages unlike some other groups. They also don't have financial and medical support systems in place. Some examples are:
- Shiba was forced to beg to her fans for her medical expenses
- Ange was forced to seek help from Lize when she got sick
- Lulu wasn't given support when she fainted from over-exhaustion on stream twice.
This is completely different from other agencies wherein the managers/bosses would step-in to solve those urgent needs.
3. Nijisanji doesn't provide support for the fans/content creators/other adjacents hence community engagement is low.
- Forced a fan to delete her twitter account because she's close to Chii-chan
- Restrict people from taking screenshots during events
- Limited opportunities provided to their char designers. In fact, they'd rather steal illustrators from other companies instead of helping them with their careers. They would rather do everything in-house to prevent others from "leeching" off of their brand.
4. Nijisanji has established a point system akin to social credit score. A talent needs to meet a certain amount of points before they're given costumes, collab opportunities, 3Ds, promotions, company-wide event participation and solo concerts.
5. Talents are somewhat exempted from the above if they belong to the right clique. Joining the main clique allows for consistent collab opportunities and protection from being bullied.
6. The company tend to undermine their talents ability to host events because they don't want their talents to grow bigger than the company.
- Forced Kuzuha and others to host major events and concerts on the main channel
Other companies allow their talents to host it on their own channels

>>13495933
Nijisanji not offering healthcare is normal, this is not a desk job and there is no vtuber agency alive that offers healthcare/insurance.
>fan
That was her sister. A family account publically tied to her vtuber persona. Deleted for safety reasons.
>screenshots
That was venue based. Concerts held at non-Zepp CONCERT HALLS are fine to be screenshotted as Initial step and Nijirock next beat were fine to screenshot.
>steal illustrators
Now you're being schizophrenic. There are some mamas that have only ever done Nijisanji, some that have done other agencies, and some big names.
>point 4
Only 'point system' is sub milestone for outfits (50k) and 3D (100k) there is no 'system' for collabs seeing as the tiny KR vtubers instantly collabed inside and outside the company.
>forced Kuzuha
All REAL LIFE VENUE CONCERTS are previewed on the main channel and have been since the beginning.
Did you just come to this board a month ago???

>>13495933
Also you cannot even define a 'main clique' as everyone ranging from Kuzuha to Ange to Hajime to Naruse have collabed with each other.

>>13495933
I cannot believe you actually type this rambling schizo because /jp/ told you to fuck off and lurk more when you spam Asacoco screenshot on /vyt/. Is your life really that pathetic?

>>13495929
I don't watch Hololive exclusively. I am membered to a few indies and even watch niji streams from time to time when one of them streams a game that I like. Hololive is simply the vcompany that I am invested into the most. I like a and watch ttheir talents more often than indies or nijis.
I just don't like to mix things. Even when holos that I watch collab with members that I never watch it feels more natural to me.
Yes I lnow that jp branch collabs with niji all the time. Good for them. Yes I know about all the shitty inside collabs. I still prefer holoexclusive collabs to the intercorp or the indie ones.

>13495933
This might as well be a pasta at this point. It's just missing collab fees to be a wall of rrats.

>>13483718
This.

>>13483261
shit bait

>>13496140
It's the same discord group that tried to spread the collab fees rrat. They're going for a different approach now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiTI45YWYS0

>>13496958
Is there proof it's Discord?

>>13493332
HoloEN can stream an English song and that it, any other than this is a falseflag

>>13483261
no matter how you twist it like a bitch would, hololive is best.

NIJISANJI IS SO CLEATIFF

>like 130 talents
>APEX and fotm all day

Nijifags would say their shitty chuubas are revolutionizing the industry if they farted onstream

>le patriarchy
trannies fuck off

Why do Hololive fans let Vshoujo and Nijisanji live rent free in their heads all day? What's the point of this thread?

>>13498017
We're all going through Pokémon spam, wait until it's over before we start shitposting about creative streams again.

>>13483261
All of them are communist

>NIJISANJI IS SO CLEATIFF
> >like 130 talents
> >APEX and fotm all day
> Nijifags would say their shitty chuubas are revolutionizing the industry if they farted onstream

>>13498017
>>13498017
Wake me up when Hollowhore did something like this.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt3YqkqaL45MOHxeizcuzpIB7ywU-h9pD
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8yJRzWP8O6E
https://youtube.com/watch?v=P943qxg0yow

>Wake me up when Hollowhore did something like this.
>https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt3YqkqaL45MOHxeizcuzpIB7ywU-h9pD
>https://youtube.com/watch?v=8yJRzWP8O6E [Embed]
>https://youtube.com/watch?v=P943qxg0yow [Embed]

>>13498408
Based application
>>13498486
Gay application

>>13493688
If you choose the Anarchy route, he dies once and for all

>>13498066
I want to lick nyanners asshole. I want to stick my tongue deep in there and give her a rusty trumbone.

>>13483261
Lol its easy to guess which company you hate.

>>13483261
Niji is pretty based, there haven't been too many yabs yet for EN
Hololive fucked over a lot of their talent
Vshojo fuck over people who aren't even in their company

>>13483718
UUUUOOOOOOOOHHHHH

>>13495929
And how that personal preference affect your life?

>>13483261
I prefer Hololive, Nijisanji and Phase Connect

>>13501719
honestly, every company is inherently black

>>13498452
Nice viewbait nijinigger-kun. I aint giving a single view to (You)r loserliver

>>13501912
>saying you represent the indie community
>kept indies who were doxxed by a phishing scammer using your CEO's signature silent so it doesn't make the company look bad
>having your talent publicly cancel and blacklist the only whistleblower

>>13501986
>having your talent publicly cancel and blacklist the only whistleblower
They haven't yet but hopefully soon

>>13502016
Ironmouse deleted him off all social media, bao responded to nux on twitter and they forced her to delete it
Vshojo is legitimately killing the indie scene

>>13501986
Why is it a problem to keep things quiet while you're still working with law enforcement and investigating the situation? Even Nux said that he couldn't speak up about the situation at first because of law enforcement involvement, he just said "after a month I figured it was basically gucci" where Vshojo disagreed.
Vshojo got the url that the phishers used to impersonate them taken down basically the same week it went up, commenting on that scam after you've dealt with it and ESPECIALLY letting it leak that you've connected it to other attacks only encourages the people doing this shit to abandon their telegram/doxbin accounts and start over. This is only a story if Nux is right that the contracts the doxxers used were chalk-full of proprietary information, and given his record for bullshit and clickbait I'm not holding my breath
>>13502089
I can't believe that Vshojo would blacklist a shitstirrer with more than 2 million youtube subs. This will surely kill the indie scene!

>>13501761

>>13498017
>Nijifags would say their shitty chuubas are revolutionizing the industry if they farted onstream
anon...

>>13502089
>Vshojo is legitimately killing the indie scene
They are killing it by rightfully punishing faggot nun?

>>13487198
https://youtu.be/E_eLcET0QQE

>>13501719
Can you link me to the people vshojo fucked over and how they did it?

>>13502336
I'm not sure if dislocating your jaw a bunch and putting clothespins on your nips until they get infected counts as "revolutionary," but I agree with your larger point that she's cool as fuck

>>13487198
Doesn't this count as NTR for the guy? This purple-haired gaijin who's invaded your hobby to make bank as a camwhore has literally commandeered your body to seduce your women.
holy shit do I need to watch Mel

>>13502418
She literally farted on stream, she was constipated so she streamed sitting on the toilet then failed to mute when she farted, there was a whole 3 threads about it

>>13502089
>they forced her to delete it
How did they force her? They barely know her.

>>13483261
Hololive, easily.
If I wanted to watch whores that flirt with guys I would. But I don't.

>>13483261
>>Hololive: talents are oppressed by management to be pure idols and pander to possessive men.
I only watch haachama so I don't know what you're talking about

I love pink cat

>>13483718
I only know three things about them:
>patra’s asmr is top tier
>mary’s asmr is also pretty good
>the green haired girl on the top right is based as fuck

>>13483416
/thread
Also none of these descriptions are accurate. OP sucks cock.

>>13483261
hololive