/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>13230631
What the actual fuck

>>13230631
He's a man, he's allowed to say it

>>13230631
based. unicorns get the rope

>>13230631
i don't donate, so i don't care about it.

>>13230770
sir that is a female zoomer whale

the guy was OP wasn't it. you are a beta cuck. and its bad optics for a streamer to talk about donowalling unless entertainment (anything that isnt entertainment is bad optics)

>>13230631
EN indies are mostly hot garbage.

who

Ina called the fans losers, so yeah.

>>13230631
OP butthurt. Keep seething over anime girls

>>13231001
clip/timestamp?

https://twitter.com/baovtuber/status/1461425023495856140?s=20
Here's context to the tweet.

>>13230631
Also beta cuck is kinda funny, I don't see why I should care that she's using it.

>>13231001
Is real?

>>13231044
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWte-IY2YtI

I'm getting some deja vu about this thread in regards to the focus on making derisive name calling out to be some world ending sin

>>13230864
This. Beta cucks are the ones paying for my free entertainment so her insult rings hollow to me. Keep being beta my cucks so that I can enjoy more anime girls the same way you do

>>13230631
they say this non-publicly all the time, at least she's open enough to call them what they are.

Can some kind anon post the korone quote about having a boyfriend?

>>13231200
Best I can do

>>13230631
I unfollowed her a while back when it became evident that she is a malding roastie who got carried by a social network. it really drives home the point that envtubing is contained to a small clique where once you get in, personality and creativity become less of a determining factor in one's success.

>>13231001
>>13231115
hit a nerve? lmaoo

>>13231115
Inner...

>>13231115
based

>>13230925
Pretty sure that's a man, sorry to break it to ya

>>13231269
Reminder that the last 6/9 streams of her's have been sponsored/an ad.
Unbelievable

>>13230631
That's why I don't watch ENindies especially the ones who stream on twitch. They are just glorified e-thots of the most insufferable variety with no respect for anyone but their fellow bitches and a mindset of "everyone owes me". Giving one of them a chance is always a waste of time.

>>13230631
based. no idea how anyone can see this any other way unless they live their life as a victim.

>>13231115
Apologize your boring bitch

>>13230631
>most vtuber fans are fully aware of what parasocial relationships are. they aren't dumb, they just genuinely want to support the creators that entertain them
Nah I think like 70% of vtubers fans just enjoy it as a parasocial relationship even if the streamers tries to say he doesn't push it this way

>>13231299
Funny is to see the chat goes 'haha' 'yeah' kek
why are takocucks like that

>>13231269
She's also been having multiple meltdowns on twitter lately, but then again you'd be hard pressed to find a girl envtuber that isn't, unless they're relatively unknown or their tweets are curated by corporations.

>>13231115
>>13231299
>>13231500
holy fuck this is what holoEN fans make out to be drama?
This is the biggest nothingburger i think i've ever seen..

>>13231762
Honestly the biggest mistake was apologizing for it afterwards, if you're gonna make a joke stick by your convictions

>>13231375
And they surround themselves with the "yas kween sex work is king" types on social media which just accelerates the me me me mindset. They honestly thrive on negative attention because it riles up their white knights

>>13231375
you can follow me anon once I debut my live2D pngchuuba so far and I just like streaming, no drama on twitter aside from retweeting booba fanart

It's amazing how much contempt a lot of these women have for men despite being entirely dependent on manipulating them. They're not doctors, they're not scientists, they contribute nothing to society and act like they're above those who do. This is what Marx meant about prostitutes being lumpenproletariat and parasites.

>>13231354
When people say this about vtubers it's inaccurate 99% or more of the time.

>>13230631
The absolute staet

>>13231981
Source?

>>13231950
You don't understand anon. Clearly they are talented entertainers

>>13232084
a talented streamer is someone like Jerma or Haachama who create their own skits and do something besides playing over video game footage (that someone else made), 99% of vtubers play generic games with zero unique aspects or challenges.

the day of the copyright cannot come fast enough

>>13231762
unironically yes. eh, sometimes kiara does say something slightly worse or ame has a bit of a tantrum when frustrated, but that's about the extent of the drama that you'll be hearing from holoen, so they have to resort to massively blowing it out of proportion.

itt, triggered beta cucks malding because someone called them what they are

>>13232375
she made this post because she was pissed that someone called vtubers out on exploiting their fans for money

what is possibly more beta cuck than giving money to someone who hates you? if anything the people informing others about baos true colors are anything but beta. thats alpha behavior

>>13232228
>the day of the copyright cannot come fast enough
If you're talking about copyright strikes for video games you're about a late

>>13232551
>who hates you
>true colors
your post reeks of virginity. might wanna start using deodorant.

>>13231921
Post link so I can groom you

>>13232725
i could be the biggest neckbeard loser on earth but that doesn't change the fact that im right. shouldn't you have another corporate-sponsored product to shill to your dwindling, gullible viewerbase like a washed up infomercial host?

>>13232861
>could be
you mean "am". at least try to get one thing right in your post.

>>13232861
You are right and based. The problem is that even the majority agreeing with what you said they will never accept it because this is /vt/

>>13232861
people who are right generally don't have to act so defensive and vomit words like "alpha behavior" to prove it to strangers on the internet.

>>13230631
Why are women like this?

>>13230631
there is a market out there for this type of stuff anon. Some may feel it is exessive, arrogant. They are the type to get a power trip and throbbing boner when they type "[insert vtuber name] pls" in chat.

>>13232992
>>13232910
ad hominem is not a valid tactic

>>13233079
you're more a master of mad hominem

>>13232992
people who are right tend to post good arguments instead of attacking the poster multiple times in succession while ignoring what is being said

>>13232375
>>13232725
Incels might be pathetic, but at least they aren't white knights. White knights are truly the most pathetic life form.

>>13232286
Holo is quality though. We've seen the competition and we're very worried of what it can all regress to. A bunch of crazy ass catty bitches having menhera fits.

>>13233200
i have never watched a bao stream in my life. i just know what a broken permavirgin brain sounds like when i see it posting

>Bao is in this thread right now defending herself on 4channel dot porg slash vt
>>13233154
OK, but you're still a clout chaser, manipulating others for a living, and detrimental to the vtubing scene.

Did none of you actually read the tweet thread and figure out she's refering to one guy who was mad vtubers sold lewd merch?

>>13233265
>white knighting women you don't even know

>>13233279
>person i don't like is /here/ because people aren't all agreeing with me!
ah sweet a schizo thread

>>13232375
>>13232725
>>13232910
This you bro?
Just a reminder to everyone in this thread that this is what the average white knight looks like.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Terminatorca766

>>13231662
There's at least one, and I'm happy that she exists.

>>13233391
Nobody besides bao or one of her close friends would viciously defend her like this online. You're not doing it for free, are you anon?

I don't like it when other vtubers shit on their fans. It's disgraceful and makes the rest of us look bad.

>>13230631
what happens if you gargle too much cum at once

I don't get why western vtubers are like this, first shirashira and now her... these woamsn pretended to be idols to use purity culture to get more simps until they were exposed, if there's a reason to be an incel it's these women

>>13233543
terminally online post

>If you don't approve of thots and give them your money while they insult you then you are a virgin!
>Having a modicum of self respect means you are a virgin!
This is your brain on western indies.

>>13233648
Bao has to make a living pretending to be an anime girl online. Who's the terminally online here.

>>13233617
korean roommate...

>>13233617
Nips have somehow managed to maintain the idol culture despite the fans being more schizo than the western ones. It's weird than in the west the breaking point is the chuuba herself, not the fans. The western fans are mainly just along for the ride.

I like Serotina. That is all.

>>13233750
Korea is literally ruled by a cult of fascist feminists, never trust a Korean woman anon

>>13230631
It's always Bao

idk what malding means.

>>13230631
>Drop out of uni
>Go full time chuuba
>immediately go on 3 week vacation after big dono stream
>Come back and its revealed you have a boyfriend
>Crucify your (actually) autistic mod for daring to bring it up
>Have 2 more subathons
>Have sponsored stream after sponsored stream for the money

>>13233932
>can't even do basic math and calculations
jesas. I'll stick with my so-called "holowhores" thank you very much

>>13233617
>implying unicorns weren't already incels

>>13231762
>nothingburger
Go back /pol/nigger.

I guess this is the EN vtuber drama of the month.
>>13234011
And they wonder why HoloEN absolutely dominates, when this is the alternative

Isn't there an image of Bao fliting and swooning with her KR male vtuber love interest? She does this shit openly in front of her fans, while I agree Unicorns are dumb that is still a dick move and proves just how little she cares

>>13233824
Based.
>>13233963
It's "mad" for zoomer morons who follow Hassan.
>inb4 rent free
I have literally never heard it used by anyone besides him and his fans

>>13231001
>>13231115
Kill yourself clipnigger faggot.
https://youtu.be/Y4_seXdGaJY?t=2909
She was calling out antis, not fans.

>>13234011
>this desperate for money
Could have just pandered to incels instead of acting like an e-thot and having to resort to this.

>>13234114
>fascist chuds spoiling my heckin rrat

>>13232970
Nah it's not even about them not accepting it, it's more about feigning denial to damage control and maybe at best lying to themselves in the process. Also the anon just replying lol virgin is most likely just trolling because it's not helping his case at all, all it's doing is giving other anons a chance to prove they're right

>>13234011
Having 2view boyfriend is expensive. (Also the mod didn’t reveal shit, friends had been making fun of her fucking him on her stream before then, she’s just dumb.)

>>13230631
Why do shills for her make a big deal about her titties? They're okay but they're not really huge.

>>13233617
She's doing incels a favor putting them in their place. Everywhere else people like him are just ignored.

>>13230631
Yes.
YOU WILL NEVER BE A MAN. You're just a glorified bank account. Now, PAY UP!

>>13234449
You think Incels don't know they're pathetic? The only thing she's doing is contributing to him eventually snapping.

>>13234449
we've had 10 years of relentlessly mocking incels and the only thing it has done is caused their numbers to swell up exponentially

when you don't give people the benefit of the doubt and a place in society they will do everything in their power to destroy it. spite is the strongest emotion to humans

>>13234374
JANNIES THIS IS ON HER OFFICIAL VTUBER TWITTER ACCOUNT
Not her titties, but this nice, nice belly of her's

>>13230631
What if she considers her fans alpha chads?

>>13231762
>holoEN fans
It's the dramaniggers whose oshi is the /vt/ catalog that make a big deal out of this. Nobody even cared about it when it happened, but when she apologized they smelled weakness and jumped on it.

>>13234711
I meant the ones on her avatar but okay

>>13230631
I remember thinking once that she'd be good for vsinger
Holy shit did we ever dodge a landmine

>>13231354
I think you're confusing Bao with Artemis.

>>13234853
beeg

>>13234797
>when she apologized they smelled weakness and jumped on it.
That literally always happens, and it makes anyone who realizes it never admit fault, which is just as bad.

>>13230631
>Why do you guys only watch corpo vtubers?
Bao is the answer

>>13235000
Checked and corpo'd

>>13232228
they can be entertaining just through improv, without scripted stuff. that's enough.

>>13235351
I'd say even vshojo knows how to be tame sometimes, indie freedom has become just a excuse to say dumb shit on twitter

>>13231001
Fucking Ina

>>13231001
It's always women born into incredibly wealthy families that do this heh

>>13233963
mad + balding

>>13234934
Probably

>>13231868
this
I didn't understand why Ina apologize, it was obvious she was joking. Maybe OmegaTranny told her to apologize so she doesn't lose gachikois

Besides she doesn't really have the rights to mock viewers when she had a MMO addiction for years which it's far worse kek

>>13231762
Astel said it best. Vtubers lives are nothing but lies. If you form a parasocial relationship with a vtuber, you're already being lied to.

Just view them as entertainers and nothing more. Investing in them personally will only net you sadness.

>>13230631
Isn't this bitch a yab machine? you could probably put a QRD together with all the shit she's done, no wonder people don't want to collab with her

>>13236901
>QRD
>>13234011

In this moment I am reminded of the cope thread earlier today claiming vtubers are pure girls that love their audience and definitely never laugh about them behind their backs

>>13237952
They should at least maintain professionalism and not do it openly like this.

>>13237952
but not every vtuber is a dumb bitch like the one OP posted

>>13237952
This was pretty much the expectation of Bao since >>13233932
Was posted. frankly anyone who just had a couple of thousand viewers handed to them in a week of debut from the boom probably thinks the same.

>>13237952
You got a link to that thread?
>vtubers are pure girls that love their audience and definitely never laugh about them behind their backs
I once pretended to be a girl on some board (not by choice, people just thought I was) and got invited to a private chatroom of all women on that board and most of the time, the conversations were just mocking the guys who pm'd them romantic and/or saucy stuff. Biggest shock of my life at 15. The poor guys had their gifts and stuff being circled around that chatroom. They never stood a chance.

>>13233750
Bao is viet

>>13230715
Seconding this

>>13236784
I know you wanna shill your pov but sweeping generalizations will always be retarded

>>13230631
Beta bros.... Not like this

I unironically think bao is funny

>>13231921
I second this
>>13232760

>>13241317
my condolences

>>13237952
Some love their audience. But the ones that hate their fans are usually not retarded enough to do it in front of them.
It's pretty dumb, in a business sense, to criticize the people that are giving you money, regardless of whether or not you're in the right. Especially if there might be any schizos in their midst, which considering the career choice here is almost a guarantee.

>>13241449
Im convinced in some other universe she would be really popular

>>13230631
well obviously it's true for someone who would watch such a person.
but its scientifically researched that being around a good woman increases testosterone in normal males so for most of us watching Holos, or other girls that maintain high standards, we are just getting more manly by the day.
Any beta holofan is just 6 months away from abs and ability to converse in a new language.

>>13245345
>Any beta holofan is just 6 months away from abs and ability to converse in a new language.
I actually have lost 90 pounds and gotten way more jouzu from Hololive as well as gotten a job but I'm not sure at what point I become a chad but at this point I think I've stopped caring and pretty much just kinda want to make my oshi happy and want her to love me and want to have soul-bonding sex together but the physical stamina is a nice plus too I guess

>>13230631
Bao has her head waaaaay too far up her own ass. You fuckers lets this behavior continue by giving any stupid bitch the time of day. You don't got to call them out or harass them that just makes more drama. Just use your time and money elsewhere. You dudes need to realize the true value of YOUR time and money. No matter how worthless you are or think you are. Your time and $$ is worth it to these people and companies. (YOU) have the power. Never forget that.

you can really tell who here is particularly mentally impaired by whether or not they read this and think that she's talking about her entire audience

can't tell if they're better or worse than the people who know better but pretend not to in order to push a narrative

>>13235915
>indie freedom has become just a excuse to say dumb shit on twitter
This 100%
They need a manager to tard wrangle the shit out of them

>>13234669
Reminds me of this guy in Japan (I think a few months back) stabbed and killed these girls because he was mad at how happy they looked. I always had this feeling this shit is going to be more common given the way the world is heading.

>>13230631
wtf is "dono wall"

Bao always has stupid takes and I'd imagine this is as well if I actually understood it.

>>13233265
literally whiteknighting a random thot lol, you sir are a true 'alpha'

>>13236638
>implying you need to have a right to mock someone acting childish
You are a dirty little niggerfaggot and should go back

>>13245948
as opposed to moaning about a random thot anonymously online? don't confuse being made fun of with "white knighting" just because you don't like it

>>13246017
hes still going hahahaha the absolute seething

>>13246017
>as opposed to moaning about a random thot anonymously online?
90% of internet content is whining about somebody, have you been to Twitter

>>13231141
this sounds like a cope, she's talking about her viewers in general and that includes you.

>>13245739
Yep. Any indie that is on the western side of the world has a 90% chance (give or take) of saying some stupid ass shit they wouldn't be caught dead saying in public or in front of their grandmother. Even JP indie "dirt" accounts ( small side account to let off steam or say things you shouldn't say out loud) are tame compared some of these ENtubers on social media.

>>13246163
All the Vshoujo are effectively independent and aside from Zen they've largely kept from doing any stupid hot takes on twitter. Vei just does hers onscreen.

>>13230631
This is why you don't give money to streamers. Instead of investing in a dumb bitch that couldn't care less if you are alive or dead invest in yourself instead.

>>13245729
>you can really tell who here is particularly mentally impaired by whether or not they read this and think that she's talking about her entire audience
>I'm one of the good ones
>I'm not like the other guys
I wish I could say I'm shitposting but this is unironically some thirsty ass crab in a bucket tier mentality

>>13246233
>they've largely kept from doing any stupid hot takes on twitter
Bullshit. Froot throws herself into any drama she can put herself into.

>>13246321
I kind of forgot she existed.

>>13246292
yeah you're right i don't associate with pathetic simps, you're welcome to continue to associate with the worst among you.

>>13246378
Same. Her and Hajime don't even fall into my radar at all. But if there's ENvtuber drama on twitter and someone is getting shit on you can damn fucking well bet Froot is in there doing it too.

Oh found it.
https://twitter.com/SerotinaVT/status/1461418813308743692?s=20

Well it's all fun and games until you get a mentally ill guy dumping all his money on some whore until his family stops him. ONLY for him to murder them in a fit of rage. Yes, this has happened with some cam girl.

>>13230631
Can bao not go one month without some hot take or callout dramawhoring?

>>13231115
HOW DARE SHE!? I WILL BE WRITING TO HER MANAGER! HOW DARE ANYONE BREAK THE KAYFABE THAT VTUBERS ARE OBVIOUSLY AN SURROGATE ACTIVITY FOR LOSERS

>>13246384
I mean okay, Uncle Tom, whatever you say

remember, everyday is International Mens Day
meaning women are opressed everyday

>>13246755
>women are oppressed* everyday
Not enough if you ask me.

Literally who cares what these vulgar women say? Imagine looking at Twitter at all.

>>13230631
She's right.

>>13247157
Debatable.

I can't wait until the day one of the popular Hololive chuubas shits on their fans. This place will be in full seethe mode.

>>13247219
Little late on that, read the thread.

>>13247249
I think he means JP ones. But they have too but in a far more polite way that it can't even be called an insult.

And this is why all vtubers need managers to remind them to shut the fuck up sometimes. So much shit could be avoided if you had to run your genius idea for a tweet or comment by someone with a level head.

>>13247249
You're telling me in the year plus of holoEN existing, the worst you could find for "shitting on fans" is the least offensive of the bunch making a salty comment once?

>>13247728
I'm surprised no one posted Ame (worst offender) and Calli.

>>13247816
Amelia does some light banter that no one takes seriously, if you want to see someone actually shitting on their fanbase theres always Ollie, she went HARD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbyQaZZMDkM

>>13247816
You're either autistic or retarded

>>13247927
That shit was well deserved and funny as fuck.

>>13248000
Stfu teamfag. Go look in a damn mirror.

>>13248057
My oshi is FBK which just proves your retardation.

>>13248104
>My oshi is FBK
Yea, you're fucking lying. No one has the cover mouth piece as an oshi.

>>13248104
What's retarded is you trying to convince someone that that's your oshi.

>>13248141
>>13248156
EOP cope

>>13248307
この愚か者の巣窟で あなたは最も愚かな人です。

>>13245639
this anon has it right

>>13231200
>>13231268
wait. what is this?

>>13249194
Something Korone's roommate posted a few years ago. I'll delete it btw
>An idol must not get together with a man. An idol has thousands, tens of thousands of fans. Some of them may have girlfriends, and some may be already married. But you know, some of them are guys who never had a girlfriend. Some of them may never have a girlfriend in their lives, and those guys are the main source of your income.
>Those guys are working a sweat every day, doing their best at whatever job they have. The women who work with them may call them gross or stinky, but they put up with it. They continue to put up with it because they love you. They use that hard-earned income to meet up with you, to buy your merchandise, and it's because they sincerely wish that their money will help you live a better life.
>There aren't many dedicated guys out there, you know? If you're gonna tell them outright that you've been going out with another guy, that's truly the worst, most despicable act of betrayal you could ever do.

>>13249257
Holy shit. I got scared, but now I'm crying because Korone's my JP oshi. I love her so fucking much. Please come back safe.

>>13231868
>>13236638
This.
Ina's cruel joke was in honesty. Ina's insincere "apology" after was a classic example of her false and calculated facade of kindness. The day her Korean dog face is stamped into the ground will be a day the sun shines brighter.
iphoneから送信

>>13236784
And he in HoloStar that shouldn't exist

>>13231950
It's almost like the real beta cucks (the audience of chuubas like those in OP's pic) freely enable this behavior in already bratty and entitled westernized women.
For all the bad you can say about JP schizo fans, they at least demand some level of a vtuber's public respect as an entity in the vtuber/audience dynamic.

>>13232228
Nyanners does skits all the time. So does Haruka

>>13249585
Yeah, remember when Rushia spoke poorly or janitors? Chat really made it pretty clear it was not appreciated.

>>13250373
JP fans
>I am pathetic and I will not be bullied for it
EN fans
>haha yeah laugh at those pathetic incels, b-but I'm not one of them... no ma'am, I respect women and my funko pop collection is no cap bussin', she would respect me...
I can't believe hikkis are the less delusional party for once.

this is why JP chuubas are superior

>>13250439
The people begging to agree with a girl about anything even if she's insulting them right to their face is the fucking opposite of alpha. They're delusional if they think that means anything other than being treated as lesser orbiter cattle to just go with literally anything some smacktalking bitch is saying. Of course she'll like them for agreeing with her but only as convenient stooges to guard their egos, not as equals.

If someone has a really sensitive ego, which prompts them to make big edgy statements in public, that to me screams they aware there is something critically flawed about themselves and they're trying to just bullshit past it. hence, bao.

Fuck this whale

>>13237952
only Holos (JPs specifically) are like that. always assume any EN vtuber to be a snake and only in it for the money

>>13250439
A good example of this was last year when there was some skit involving Aqua, Lamy, Polka and Botan in which Marine was the butt of a joke for being a janitor for 20 years. Lamy and Polka got carried away and disrespected low-wage workers.

Peeps from the JP side circulated the clip and went on to let them know they didn't like it. Meanwhile, EN plebittors went rushing to Cover staff with screaming about "muh out of context clips, report the comments, please take it down" and went on to rewrite the story to make it seem it was all a joke and those all those navite-speaking Japanese folks really didn't understand the situation and it was all the work of anti - because, you know, a few hundred dislikes and comments saying "you shouldn't speak ill of janitors, their work is important!" in one VoD is totally comparable to the zhangs relentless raid on Coco that was going at the same time.

Still, you've never seen these girls talk about low-status men ever again - they at the very least learned to keep those kind of jokes to themselves.

>>13230631
kek. I bet it was you beta cuck.

>>13231115
Based

>>13237952
this is why i never suppa, memba, sub any vtuber not even my oshi
only dislikes from me too

>>13231115
I'll always like calli trying to damage control to keep the paypigs happy.

>>13251650
>only dislikes from me too
nice algorithm boost retard
the least you can do for them is to watch with adblock and never interact

>>13251563
Even if it was fake or real, that made me never watch Botan, first impression and all that.

>>13231268
>>13249194

Transcription:
>「アイドルってのはな、男がいたらあかんねん、アイドルのファンて何千人何万人とおってその中には彼女がいたり既婚者のファンもおるかもしれん、でもな ? 人生で1度も女に相手されへん男もおるんや。この先も一生相手されへんって男や、お前はそういう相手をメインにお金もろてるんやろ?

>そいつらはな、毎日汗水垂らして頑張って働いとるんや、職場の女にキモイとか臭いとか陰口言われてもお前のことがホンマに好きやからそういうのにも耐えて頑張れんねん、それでその稼いだお金でお前に会いに来たりグッズ買ったりするんや、そのお人金でお前がもっと活躍して欲しいからな。

>そんな尽くしてくれる健気な男なかなかおらんで ? それをやな実は男と付き合ってましたってお前それはホンマに酷い最低最悪の裏切り行為やで」

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DeepL Translation because I already transcribed it and I'm not wasting my time translating it:
>There are thousands and thousands of fans of idols, and some of them may have girlfriends or married fans, but you know what? There are men who have never been taken seriously by a woman in their lives. There are men who will never be taken seriously in the future, and you're mainly paying for them, right?

>They work hard and drip sweat every day, and even if the women at work talk about you behind your back like you're gross or smelly, they really like you, so they can endure that and work hard. I want you to be more active with that money.

>It's hard to find a man who is so devoted to you. I'm sure you're not the only one.

>>13237952
2views love their audience.

When it comes to parasocial equality, as in, the streamer as much as the audience, it's very much the fat girl syndrome of old.
Fat girls always made more trustworthy, better girlfriends because you chose them when no one else would.
As soon as fat girls just embraced hook up culture, this mentality completely died, you now have some of the fattest, ugliest women having the entitlement of a woman that is 8/10.

Vtubers are no different, most of them are fugly women who failed a lot in life, and now seek parasocial relationships through an audience, when that relationship is equal, as in a 2view, she respects that relationship greatly,.
When a vtuber has an overwhelming audience, as in the case of someone like Ina, they no longer consider the relationship to be equal, and more often than not, they get a sense of entitlement that you are more parasitic than parasocial, someone easily replaceable.

However, there's a bright light guys, female streamers eventually get burnt out as their audiences slowly dwindle over time, and that's when they get desperate for views again, you see this all the time with cam whores who can barely get any views anymore.
The cycle of ethottery.

>>13252059
Saying that she likes her fans who are lonely?

>>13230631
stop getting triggered over petty things. Leave that to to the beta cucks.

>>13252387
Recognizing that some of the idol fanbase is low-status men who work really hard and that are not appreciated, and that the idol's activities help them to hang in there - so they give devotion back to their idols by buying goods and supporting them.

>>13230631
I don't see what's wrong, some men deliberately donate to women to get their 5-second validation through superchat and stuff, but expecting anything more than that is when you venture into the territory that Bao is talking about. Any western chuuba would say the same thing, either privately or on stream if they've got balls.

>>13252218
That's assuming they became streamers out of a real desire for interaction in the first place. But my experience with EN vtubers is a surprising amount of them are just scammers who are jumping on the vtubing bandwagon after seeing those record superchats last year. Scammers will purposefully shit on their audience to drive away anyone with self-respect.

>>13253122
They take advantage of mentally ill men while at the same time laughing at them openly. They get really defensive when people call them out on their shitty behavior

>>13232228
Haachama just leeches her audience's ideas.>>13232286

>>13230631
The fuck? Is the tweet actually real?

>dono wall
>beta cuck
>lmao
Who the fuck uses those buzzwords unironically? Twitter truly was a mistake.

>>13230941
this, especially the American ones for some reason, not that the Europeans are much better but some of them are good (like ninanin).

>>13253512
The worst part about leaving this site is realizing some faggots here are actually serious

>>13230631
I keep my delusions about streamers to myself so why should the streamer go out of their way to talk shit about their audience? That's why I fucking hate Indies they don't know how to just create a fun place the fame always get to their heads and the bullying starts

>>13254724
This, have some fucking professionalism for fucks sake, you are making bank from this so is some level of professionalism too much to ask?
I usually prefer indies to companies in general, and there are some good small indies still out there, but it seems once they get big things just go to shit. As other anon said, even vhsoujo is better than this.

>>13252387
Koro-san has always been self aware enough to know a lot of her fans are as miserable and depressed as her but without the easy job and income.

>>13234011
>Come back and its revealed you have a boyfriend
The meltdown happened because the mod revealed that she was single.

this whore just stirs shit for attention, you never see anything about them except twitter posts, says a lot about talent or lack thereof

>>13251850
Hey man Calli might be slightly autistic but she has worked at all those garbage jobs to keep herself afloat, she knows what it is to be on the lower part of the society totem. Meanwhile Ina has lived an extremely coddled life in a good country, had an amazing upbringing, and the worst thing that ever happened to her was playing an MMO too much. When she looks at those low value men showering her in attention and money, she ends up thinking that they aren't even trying at life if they waste their time watching her or any other vtuber, but has to supress those thoughts since she became le comfy girl of EN and losers flock to her for emotional support by default. It was a legit peek at her actual thoughts regarding vtuber fans in general, and I hate to sound like one of those schizos but it legit turned me away from her since those are very ugly feels to have about the people that support you.

>>13250962
In Japan people respect the entertainers' privacy but it doesn't mean that they are pure or anything. On the contrary, preying on lonely people and giving them false hope for money is a standard in the entertainment industry. I have seen so many cases of entertainers suddenly announcing their marriage and even giving birth and people didn't even realize that they were dating someone for years. Like that one chuuba that suddenly announced that she gave birth (don't remember the name but it was years ago).

>>13231762
Losers don't like being called out as losers
All you have to do is not identify as a loser and Ina's statement doesn't apply to you
The fact that so many people were tilted shows how true her statement was.

>>13256426
I do not like seeing others being manipulated

>>13231762
Dont bite the hand that feeds you korean dog.

>>13255588
You mean one of the Omega Sisters (Omega Rei)? It was last year, but don't prey on lonely man though, they work like a Manzai comedy duo, there was never GF experience or the like, they're toy otaku and 3D/VR enthusiasts.

>>13256426
They fact they even watch a filthy gook pretending to be cute while hiding her fucked up face behind a anime avatar shows that they are indeed losers.
That is no big news, it's how vtuber watchers are. Again refer to >>13250439

>>13252218
>When it comes to parasocial equality, as in, the streamer as much as the audience, it's very much the fat girl syndrome of old.
>Fat girls always made more trustworthy, better girlfriends because you chose them when no one else would.

Polka...

The LARPing going on in this thread is even worse than SJ discourse somehow.
>inb4 dyrbi

>>13257073
Stop using acronyms you don't know the meaning of.

>>13231115
What Ina said didn't come from nowhere, it was her instant reponse, so that's her honest feelings about her fans, that's what she thinks about those people that celebrated her birthday on Broadway, that shower her on akasupas and even ritual post on /hlgg/ because they are poor, and personally i don't care about what she says, i don't waste my time with HoloEN.
My problem is with all these pathetic takodachis denying reallity and trying to deflect:
>>13231299
>>13231762
>>13234194
>>13246634
>>13251645
>>13231325
these shits have no self respect, trying to defend the impossible, stop wasting everyones precious oxygen and off yourselves

>>13241317
do you also watch schumer?

>>13256426
>Insult a large part of your audience as a kneejerk reaction to some light bantz
>"It's your fault if you identify with the insult in the first place"

That's fucking retarded, I didn't even feel slighted but it does paint her in an ugly light, if her true feelings are that anyone watching her or any of her genmates is that they are fucking losers wasting time for doing so then why is she even doing this kind of job? Just money and/or attention? Then sorry but I'm not interested anymore. You can keep watching someone that deep down despises you, all the people that like her, and probably herself too, but I don't have to do the same.

>>13257123
Stop pretending you're far more intelligent than you actually are.

>>13256538
Manipulated out of what, a $5 monthly membership? These man children are broke losers, at most they'll lose a couple hundred. If they don't figure it out by then they deserve to be cheated.

>>13257588
Can we just rangeban you fucking retards already?

>>13256426
Such a weird cope. No one knows if it applies to you or not, they'll just treat you according to the caricature Ina has made of you unless you tell her to stop being retarded.

>>13257710
>No one knows if it applies to you or not
No, THIS is cope
>they'll just treat you according to the caricature Ina has made of you unless you tell her to stop being retarded
Most cases with ENvtubers (indies) they won't stop.

>>13233200
>>13233312
Based Selenposter always being right

I think Ina needs dogeza and cut her hair

>>13257849
Go away nisio.

>>13253345
Mentally ill men deserve to be laughed at though.

>>13257883
Fuck you takocuck.

>>13257902
t.femcel

>>13257849
The problem is that now whatever she does from now on will feel fake. She could swear on her mother's soul and it would mean nothing since her true feelings were already exposed. Whenever she says she loves her fans from now on, you can go back to the clip and see her actual thoughts.

>>13257539
i have lost all respect on Takoshitters

>>13234711
i’ve lost count of the amount of times i’ve cum to that tummy

>>13245739
Pippa....

>>13257994
Based

>>13257994
Her art feels fake do you see the characters eyes and expressions so empty lol

>>13257795
retardchama, you're just a viewer. No one knows or cares who you are.

>>13258092
Look man she mogs 99.9% of people at art. I have no room to criticize when she gets paid a lot for her art to appear on mobile games. All I'm saying is that her relationship with her fans is permanently poisoned for anyone with an ounce of self-respect that comes across that clip.

>>13252218
>When a vtuber has an overwhelming audience, as in the case of someone like Ina, they no longer consider the relationship to be equal
Disregarding the sad cope of the rest of your post, it would be at best retarded and at worst disingenuous for a chuuba to pretend the relationship was the same once they got to that point.

I suppose there's a reason why conservative couples tend to be happier on both sides and have longer lasting marriages.

>>13258257
What does that have to do with the thread, anon.

>>13257924
Why don’t you like laughing at retards?
Honestly the number of men being genuinely offended and upset in this thread is fucking weird. Whatever happened to being a man and not letting minor things like some vtuber’s Twitter post get to you? You can’t both complain about SJWs but also follow the SJW agenda. Stop being weak men.

>>13258257
Yes, because they deliberately sweep dirt under the rug instead of being honest like those mentally ill girls.

Fake just like that reaction to the billboard shit. You can see in the nervous laugh that she cringe as fuck, not a single emotion

>>13258308
>Why don’t you like laughing at retards?
That is a women/ss0iboy thing to do.

>>13233932
You have to assume anyone that's friends with tranny shark is a fucking cunt.

>>13258308
This is 4chan. There are no strong men here. Strong successful men don’t need to watch Vtubers or squirrel themselves away on an anonymous image board. Every man here is a whiny pussy.

>>13258473
Parking lot now. I'll show you who's the boss of /vt/.

>>13258473
Wrong. I'm just here because I hate western entertainment now.

>>13257710
>just treat you according to the caricature
Which you wouldn't care about
if you weren't
a loser

Make fat stacks, have a family, but still want to watch anime girls play a game? Not a loser.
Hell, you don't even need to be "successful" by whatever generic definition society uses, just have respect for yourself, whatever your situation might be.

Watch anime girls all day because you have no life, have nothing going on, then get tilted because they don't play to your standards, that you're entitled to have over their behavior? Loser.

Ina knows what it's like to be a loser. She wasted years of her life on gacha and FFXIV, gave it up to become something that wasn't just a hikkikomori. Whether she was helped or whether she did it on her own, she made it out of that hole - others can too.

>>13258278
All of the people saying or defending the shit that bao is doing have a very specific ideology

>>13258308
>Honestly the number of men being genuinely offended and upset in this thread is fucking weird.
/vt/ in SEA hours somehow has more fake outrage than all of twitter combined. If you don't realize this board is a cesspool of dramafaggots that treat chuubas like how the paparazzi treat celebs, that will performatively lose their shit over twitter screencaps to feel better about their lives as they somehow think rheor derranged ramblings and shit-flinging contests somehow contribute to a narrative of some importance while others will egg them on with bait for a quick dopamine hit, I can only assume you are extremely new.

>>13258308
>Why don’t you like laughing at retards?
you have a complex, that's why you "need" to laugh at retards, it's just your projections, when you don't have insecurites you ignore these things, so look your self at the mirror first and fuck off.

>>13258589
It's true, we're all Posadists.

>>13258308
Strong men acknowledge one's duty to protect the weak from opportunists who seek to exploit their good will, naivety or despair and sometimes from themselves - that's called being a friend, a good wingman, a caring person, a leader, or in today's parlance a "chad".

Also, laughing and not caring is easy but it's also a defense mechanism (or in your inferior internet slang, a "cope"), a delusion that this would never happen to you... until it does.

>/pol/ has arrived

>>13258643
Name any right wing post itt you pussy.

>>13258594
Good job describing yourself.

>>13258566
Yes. And that's why her feelings about the fans are ugly as fuck and she knows it. She has to rationalize them and tell herself afterwards "no Ina, they are just like you were once, don't feel disgusted and pity them, they love and appreciate you even if they are losers wasting their time right now, they just need some time to get back on track just like you did". Which still implies her fans are losers and need to change, mind you.

Whether you think she does that rationalization and apology out of genuine guilt or with a cold mind to not lose her source of income, will depend on if you like her in the first place or not.

>>13258740
Nice cope.

>>13258698
>>13258257

>>13246532
Did you honestly expect better from EN Indies?

>>13258698
Anyone right of Stalin is a Nazi, chud

>>13258470
Pomu...
Elira...
Rosemi...

>>13258566
>Company makes profit from lonely losers
>Shits on said losers
>Apologizes
This is more like if a cashier have an argument with a customer and the customer calls for the manager and they are told to apologize because you're being a shitty employee.

>>13258470
>You have to assume anyone that's a ENtuber is a fucking cunt
Fixed that for you.

>>13258889
>he doesn't know what transpired last night on /vt/

>>13258308
It's always fun to laugh at morons but I don't want to see them get hurt or get cheated out of shit by being manipulated by others. It's just wrong.

>>13258639
holy shit this really is a fucking LARP is it

>>13258639
I can smell the fedora in this post. Nicely written, anon. This is a great neckbeard parody.

>>13258825
>>13258847
Retards. Get thicker skin. Reddit might be more suited for your safe space.

>>13258566
>lol you are just a loser she is bullying you for you won good
I thought we moved past that, yes everyone watching vtubers is pathetic in some way shape or from.
Ina herself as you very well said, is the loser king hiding behind her avatar while exploiting losers. The least she could do is not spit on their face while doing so.
>I-I'm not i'm the chad watching anime girls play games t-trust me bro.
You saw what ina thinks of you don't kind yourself.

>>13258972
>>13258980
Nice comeback retard, really pwned me with that post.

>>13258972
>>13258980
>the office
>fedora
>neckbeard
ok boomers

>>13258958
Yeah, it's fun to see someone fuck up, but seeing someone being manipulated kinda sucks.

>>13258566
You're coping real hard, simp. No one wants to watch your stuck-up korean bitch lecture viewers, and it's not because they're losers.

I'm not a beta loser I'm just in /vt/ wasting my time because I need random people on the internet to know that I'm not a loser.

Now my jet is ready and I need to meet my wife in Paris for my honeymoon.

>>13259038
>>13259084
You all are really trying too hard.

>>13259098
London?

>>13258566
Unironically this, you faggots call this a hobby but you act as if your life depended on it, get a fucking grip, hate yourself for being a kissless virgin when there are so many options to get laid nowadays and stop surfing the internet looking for more chuubas to fill your 24 hours of free time you jobless losers.

>>13259128
Try hard these nuts retard.

@13258972
Having morals and lines that you do not cross is now considered a LARP lol.
>society is collapsing
>resources are brcoming scarce
>everyone goes after each other instead of the people responsible
How's that zero trust society working out for you? Don't worry, I'm sure YOU can get to be one of the special billionaires once you grift and scam enough people too, and not one of the victims

>>13258594
How the fuck is any of this thread "egg behavior"? If one of them shits on her fans and is shown to be ungrateful and spiteful it's way worse behavior than the typical "hurrrr Kiara is shilling her song MEMEMEM" threads like the eggs do. Kiara is a bit annoying and self-centered but she has never shit on her fans because she knows the true depths of hitting rock bottom. She deeply appreciates all the people that gave someone like her a chance.

>>13259085
it' fun to see a fat guy falling on his face in the middle of the street, drink one to many beer and shout some retarded shit at the bar. seeing him have his children taken away from him by a bullshit abusive ex-wife have him slowly shrivel up till he stops haging out at your joint and latter you learn he fucking hanged himself not so much.

>>13259163

>>13258952
QRD?

>>13259098
>my wife
>Paris
My condolences

>>13259224
The Anycolor Task Force will assassinate me if I say any more

>>13258972
>>13258980
>People who will ask "how didn't I see it coming?" when they learn their wives are fucking the neighbor and take half of their shit on divorce

>>13259181
How is his post mention anything about kusotori?

>>13259158
Very true. Just stop watching Ina and never look back. It's her own advice.

>>13258986
Not the same anon, but whatever Ina thinks of me doesn't change a thing nor it becomes reality, other anons in the other hand... well you can see the wet replies, just scrub off the tears and dorito dust.

>>13259277
You are right. I just speedread the post and saw something about discord and eggs and assumed the content. I need to go back to school and learn2read

>>13259363
It's the reality of watching her stream and having to listen to her harp on about it.

>>13259373
We hate ina here.

>>13259181
Naisu kopipe

>>13259273

>>13258763
>or with a cold mind to not lose her source of income
She's really not income-driven. If she wasn't sincere with her apology, it'd be because she hates conflict and wanted to avert any controversy before it started.

>>13259373
ESLKFPchamma, I didn't mention discord at all....

>>13259363
>of course i'm not a loser who watches anime girl all day /here/

Soon 1 in 2 men. What happens when 50% of men have nothing to live for?

>>13259533
The golden age of vtubers.

>>13259533
Who's more dangerous than a man with nothing to lose

>>13249585
this, nips don't accept being humilliated at least

>>13259515
>Day offs don't exist

Sasuga jobless hikki....

>>13259273
Chuuba cheating on you and retiring with your superchats is really just a realistic wife experience.

I'm sorry to see how many accept being disrespected and even defend those who disrespect them

>>13259701
It's the KF mindset

I just want to tell every lonely, discouraged person here that you are not alone, and it is not your fault. You are the victim of a culture warped by propaganda and part of a group of people who are repeatedly targeted by demotivational strategies for various political purposes. Invest in yourself and do not let the venomous words of people who never had any intention of treating you fairly in society hurt you. By investing in ourselves and each other, and building strong communities that do not tolerate corruption, we can win.

>>13259158
Dismissing any and all criticism as "crying" and telling people to lay off the doritos doesn't makes what she said acceptable, takek. You are not even presenting an argument to defend her, you are just attacking the people that were upset by her out of place comments. She knows she fucked up, apologized, yet you can't help but keep doubling down and white knighting for a girl that doesnt' respects you or her fans and also doesn't likes being whiteknighted.

>>13230631
I dont understand twitter talk, is her point that men now have to pay to sexualize her avatar?

>>13230631
kinda reminds me of this shit kek

>>13259934
Preach it brother. I had some money and instead of giving it to some big corporate vtuber, I invested it in an avatar for myself and a high end PC. I am the chuuba now.

>>13260051
Chads don't fuck smelly frog neets with a shit attitude.

>>13260100
Yes I would, anon

>>13234011
Seems like a person that knows what she wants, I can respect that.

>>13260150
You're /here/. You aren't a chad my dude. You can be a decent dude. But a chad? No, don't delude yourself.

>>13259701
no anon, it is really fucking depressing, just read thousands of pathetic people justifying Ina in the comment sections of that YT clip >>13231115 ...

>>13234011
Wait so what the fuck did she do about her boyfriend being leaked

>>13259936
Not that guy, but there's a clear line between critique and the faux vindictiveness you fags have been putting on. And yes it's faux, I don't think you believe any of the shit you're spouting.

>>13260250
Basically doxxed her mod and then had to apologize for the whole debacle when she got backlash for it.
I figure a lot of her viewers just either didn't care or don't see her twitter/discord activity

>>13260289
I assume the latter.

>>13260209
HOLY FUCKING GOD
and I thought kfp were the worst

>>13231115

>Girl I watch in my empty apartment to cheer myself up from work thinks I'm a loser
>I didn't need to be reminded that
>I'm not denying it

>>13260336
Kiara at least clawed her way up to her idol dream and actually cares a lot for KFP. Ina is a rich trust fund child who got into hololive because she thought "lol idk itd be cool I want more money and popular friends"

>>13233617

Shira did nothing wrong

Never donate, ever

>>13240667
Thats even worse, her brain is probably deformed from agent orange

>>13260811
After twitch donations got leaked awhile back you're damn right I'll never donate a thing ever again.

>>13259936
>''criticism''
Anon, yelling ''Ina bad and hates you'' is not criticism, is crying.

>telling people to lay off the doritos doesn't makes what she said acceptable, takek.
Agreed, but for anos to be this level of upset is saying a lot, if you are not in the spectrum of what Ina said I can see people going ''Lol'' instead of being offended by something they clearly are not and to be honest, if someone being an actual functional member of society gets offended for the losers it ain't that different from white rich chicks yelling cultural appropiation everywhere and destroying black bussinesses in name of BLM.

>She knows she fucked up, apologized, yet you can't help but keep doubling down and white knighting for a girl that doesnt' respects you or her fans and also doesn't likes being whiteknighted.
Anon, your Ina reps, she used to be a terminal loser leeching from her parents, I can see some kind of reflection, doesn't make her a saint but neither satan. If she could get out of that hole so can every single one of (You).

And as far as whiteknighting goes, Ina is fucking boring when not with other members, I'm not defending her actions but calling out jobless hikkis who are crying for a nothing burger.

>>13260357
It's okay bro, we'll unsubscribe together, we're all gonna make it

>>13257403
>What Ina said didn't come from nowhere, it was her instant reponse, so that's her honest feelings about her fans
I know there's actual anti-Ina b8 being posted, and I am a tako, but this is legit and bothers me. What's more is she's trying to defend Mori from the criticism of autists who are mad about her being bad at the game, but she doesn't focus on them, she attacks everyone who watches vtubers as having sad and unhappy lives.
It's so bad that even Mori, who's clearly thought the same way as that ever since she joined Hololive, is shocked and trying to damage control after having it stated so openly.
Ina goes on to cite herself being a hikki NEET and Hololive fan so it was a self-burn, but she clearly makes excuses for herself ("I'm successful now, after all!") that she isn't willing to make for her audience.
Now I can't help but feel like a bit of a paypig for being membered to her. The whole "she was one of us" appeal takes a lot of damage when her kneejerk reaction is to put herself above her audience and not leave room for exceptions.

>>13255482
Ina is based for not pandering to vulnerable men. Mori on the other hand...

>>13261021
This is a rare case of honest anon, much respect my comrade

>>13260876
>she used to be a terminal loser leeching from her parents,
which is an agravant, because of her total lack of empathy.
Also she can call losers, cuck or whatever to her fans, that's not the real issue, but these subhumans enabling and defending her are the root of the problem

Never forget women are all terrible people down deep inside, regardless of what they present to the front, ESPECIALLY entertainers and ALL streamers are in it to con lonely men out of their meager money
If you donate you are a fucking retard

Unicorns win, Western chuubas are whores, the only pure chuubas you will find are autistic males in the west

>>13258473
Wrong. I'm sick of the fake hugbox that all comments/SM have become. Plus, the comments here are often pure comedy gold, more entertaining than the vtubers.

>>13261439
>I'm sick of the fake hugbox
it gets old and boring really fast

JUST IN: REALITY! REAL?!?!?

>>13260876
Ina isn't a loser, she's just spoiled by her parents. She was never put in a position where she actually struggled.

>>13233617
jappo vtubers do it all the time but EOPs act like they dont since they don't understand japanese

>>13260336
The difference between Kiara and Ina is that Kiara went through hell to finally achieve her dream and is really appreciative of her fans for allowing her to get to this point. In Ina's case she already has a nice job that most of her money comes from and being in Hololive wasn't her big dream. Without their fans Kiara would be working some deadend job since she dropped out of school, and Ina would be in the same situation she's in now but with less friends.

>>13261886
source
>inb4 gundou

>>13261670
Asian-American princesses really are the worst kind of people. Have the complete lack of empathy from the Chinese blood with the cultural American arrogance

>>13237952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTc-ydO0Bro
She's right, wake up. You were born not pretty and will be forever not pretty. Just accept it and move on

>>13259533
My guess: They'll stop working their ass off on deadend careers they hate. Instead they'll follow their dreams at less-paid positions, perhaps open a small business. Or failing that, become neets and stop reporting additional income from odd jobs. Covid already did a massive shakeup on workers being overworked for peanuts. Now imagine garbage-collectors, infrastructure and engineers switch to part-time, regardless of money offered. Outages everywhere.

>>13262523
I've already left my extremely overworked job doing multi drop delivery (think UPS) to be a NEET
AFAIK they haven't been able to replace me so there's now 800 odd deliveries a week just not getting done

>>13259582
nothing. that's why women > men

>>13234711
Dude even my beer gut flattens when i lay down.

>>13259582
One with something to lose

>>13265301
That makes no sense
>>13266721
Wrong because that's the person that will be holding back and coping on whatever they think still has value in their life.