/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>13020613
Haha that's class mate, how did you come up with that? The fucking patter on ya

>>13020613
Perfect SC

>>13020613
Based

>>13020613
I think you should SC her this, you would be a legend

A whole fucking month.

>>13020613
Insanely based
>zamn

other thread got killed kek

I heard a chink broke into her house

Im sorry for the loss

>>13022656
It was fun shitposting with you fellow 4channeler

It was sana's dog who was resurrected like Christ, or maybe he was resurrected, and the Australian chink caught him and ate him.

>>13020613
Don't randomly and aggressively tell your fans to fuck off during a karaoke if you don't want to feed the trolls.
Goddamn, public schools desperately need a required, "How not to be retarded online" class if people still think acknowledging schizoid hatred within your fanbase is going to do anything but explode in your own face.
Also, if you think Sana doesn't know about that supa just because a mod immediately stuck it down, don't worry. The rest of the sanalites were quick to spam chat pointing it out.

>>13022835
Oh no, how will she deal with the 3-4 schizos that don't even leave /vt/

>>13020613
Shes lucky that her streams are boing enough that schizos don't want to watch, otherwise this sort of thing would happen far more often.

>>13022835
What was the supa?

>>13020613
holy shit, how ugly can she be

>>13022965
It was word for word OP's post
>>13022876
Who knows? The cat is out of the bag now, seeing as how she's dealt with them so far has only encouraged more shit to be flung her way. The only winning move with trolls is to not play. They immediately move on unless they get some sort of feedback from whoever they're trying to troll at the time.

>>13023672
OP here. Didn't even know someone had SCed her that. My sides.

>>13023733
I actually had it wrong with the word-for-word bit though.
The guy named an account "Sana's Dead Dog" then SC'd her "SANA I'M ALIVE AGAIN LEEEETS GOOOOOOO"

>>13023786
kek

>>13023786
Is there a timestamp for that?

I'd send a real one in ARS

>>13024336
solemn kekw

>>13024336
Why are meidos shoahing every mention of this incident?

>>13024427
Not even against the rules.

>>13024427
They're paid by cover

>>13024427
At least one of them has ties to Ina and Sana is Ina's friend so they try protect her as much as they can. This isn't a joke. At least one meido unironically simps for Ina hard.

>>13024336
which stream

>>13024336
Fucking mad lad

>>13024336
Holy shit kek

>>13024336
fucking kek

>anon literally said he posted a fake screenshot
>retards believe it anyway
What did they mean by this?

>>13024336
And with that you are still asking how dare she say fuck you to her 'fans'.
Truly a good question. Are you all schizo in this board ? Even on /sci/ they can have a better thoughts that you all.

>>13025021
I like this episode too

>>13024336
LMAO BASED

>>13025023
Fucking grow a brain you mental disablee, jesus youre literally a child

>>13024336
WTF

>>13024687
Okay /vt/ answer me. Is using your mod position to defend your oshi cringe or based?

>>13025416
You have no oshis as a mod you cringe faggot

>>13025416
Absolutely cringe

>>13025481
What.

>>13025265
Well I prefer to be a child, at least I am not a sadistic psychopath who take pleasure to talk about these kind of thing on her fucking chat.

>>13025416
Based, power is meant to be abused so do it.

>>13025513
Youre such a low iq retard mate fucking stop watching disney movies and touch grass

>>13024336
BASED

>>13025416
I could guess and say at least a couple of people have been kicked for abusing their power in this board, mods definitely are not the same, people can totally complain about you being a complete faggot

>>13025513
Anon forgetting he's browsing 4chan

>>13025649
You are absolutely right, you have show me the way. How can I live like that?! Now that I met such a great spirit like you, who can say sooo many smarts things, my life can only evolve. I am so lucky.

I don't really get what the joke is with these threads
making fun of someone's dead dog?

>>13025416
Gonna have to go with based

>>13025416
Hard cringe.

>>13025773
Your posts suck so much dude. graduate high school before you come back, please

>>13025704
That's the thing, 4chan is meant to be a fucking quarantine, not for some teens to go directly in the chat of a talent to say "LETTTS GOOOOOOOO" and come back here to say "hey guys look at what I have done, so fun".
I'm dying of shame right now.

>>13025817
Sure, sure, shut up now.

>>13025887
Name oen quarantine board, thread, or website, that worked.

>>13022835
> tell your fans
if you think it was directed at you
youre not a fan

>>13024336
Fake btw
>>13020606

>>13025887
It's not really a quarantine so much as a place you are allowed to say much closer to exactly how you really feel about shit without the guise of some kind of reputation/social consequence on the line. As it turns out, a lot of people are much more judgmental and emotional over petty shit than they would ever let on to someone's face so to speak (on or offline). That isn't a surprise to anyone who is a real human bean.

>>13025776
celebrating the death of mindless taboos, one of the many ways to enlightenment

>>13025776
If you weren't so fucking new you'd know MY DOG DIED LETS GOOOOO has been an in-joke here for probably close to a year now (sourced from someone actually saying tha tto kaira) about how some people have fucking 0 regard for etiquitte / affecting moods of streams by constantly trying to bait streamers emotionally for attention with sad stories.

Sana just so happened to have an IRL situation match up to the meme perfectly. Her dog died and she took a long break because of the emotions. You can't fucking make this shit up, unless she is actually doing just-that because she can't say why she actually took a break and people are kind of suspicious about that due to the length. I'm surprised she didn't get like a dozen CHAT MY DOG DIED LETS GOOOO SCs right away.

>>13024336
unfathomably based

>>13026262
Implying people don't say shit they don't believe on here because they think it's funny.

>>13026449
I'm aware of the meme, you double-nigger
im asking where does the funny part come in

>>13026449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztgi5vV0pCU

>>13022835
>>13023672
She’s Australian, it’s in our blood to call people dumb cunts when they’re being dumb cunts.
t.ausfag

>>13020613
>>13022619
>>13022796
>>13023786
>>13026449
I don't understand why this bitch took a month off for a dog when she never gave a shit about animals to start with

>>13025416
*my* oshi? based
mods doing this for chuubas that aren't my oshi are cringe though

God, this place feels like the only place that has Council antis. I understand hating Fauna since I despise her on every level but Sana is very benign.

>>13027763
If you take an extended break without saying when you're coming back, and you don't cancel memberships, you should have antis. Haachama, ayame, sana. Greedy fucks.

>>13027674
Is this the "Sana got arrested" shit again? I swear to god this is the most retarded rrat /vt/ has come up with.

>>13027674
Makes me feel it was simply something else altogether. Sana being kind of a jokester might have went with it to be cheeky because she was forced to lie about something so might as well make fun of it a bit.

Or, she really actually did care that much about a dog that she hadn't even actually been around (it was back at her parent's place) for years. I suspect it was a quarantine thing in aussie land and she for some reason didn't want to just say that she was stuck without a good setup for two weeks at her parent's because she crossed state lines.

>>13022835
>aggressively
>"Fuck you, tee hee."
Wow, such aggression.

>>13025023
That's a shoop

>>13027763
>God, this place feels like the only place that has Council antis. I understand hating Fauna since I despise her on every level
You manage to come off as retarded and hypocritical in just two sentences, congratulations.

>>13027763
that's cuz literally every other vtuber space is extremely positive.

>>13027960
>/vt/
it's literally just one retard spamming.

>>13028289
Every other vtuber space being a strictly controlled atmosphere where you literally must be a lobotomized yes-man to fit in = anyone who dares think more openly about this shit, anyone who sees vtubers as people instead of cartoon caricature le rabbithole waifus? They kind of all have to come here. Thus you get more authentic emotions all around - intense love from goslings, intense hate from antis. It's the real deal. Rio dio.

>>13028289
Meanwhile /vt/ is just negative for the sake of being negative outside of generals. Not a big leap up in post quality, if any at all.

>>13028394
The negative people tend to get shut up quickly in busy generals so make their own threads to try to corral attention. Like literally you can see posts from Global that got a few posts but didn't really capture the thread's attention (or got immediately told off hard) get verbatim remade as a separate thread sometimes, I dunno if there's a name for this behavior (there should be) but it's rather tryhard shittery.

>>13028387
>it's the real deal
>a large portion of the board is just baiting for (You)s
You're pretty oblivious for someone acting like they know what they're talking about. Half the faggots posting shit like OP did are trying to bring her more attention. This isn't new at all to 4chan or even /vt/ itself.

>>13026262
>without the guise of some kind of reputation/social consequence on the line
That's actually 100% wrong. 4chan does enforce pointless negativity/anti behavior through social pressure, such as it is in this place, and of course underage shits who have never belonged anywhere once in their lives fall over themselves to fit in with the 4chan culture of edginess and contrarianism for contrarianism's sake.

>>13028492
I don't give a shit about (you)s and the people that do probably don't even like vtubers but have some other pathopsychological bullshit going on. The sentiments and emotions here don't 100% all just come out of thin air, if you can't stand that fact then maybe you're just fucking weak minded and need to your hugbox of choice. Decrying the entire board as "it's all bait, all schizos" = you are too weak for here. No, people can have in-depth interesting conversations even in threads with garbage OPs sometimes. You'd know if you actually gave the board a fair shot.

>>13028362
I see posts like calling her animal abuser too often for it to just be one guy it may have stated like that but the rrat has clearly spread

>>13028529
You know the funny thing is people call the big gens hugboxes pretty often here. People in Global or NijiEN often are very dismissive of any split threads aka literally anything not their general as well. The truth is it's a mixed bag depending where you look.

>>13028667
That’s a rat?

>>13028562
>The sentiments and emotions here don't 100% all just come out of thin air,
I mean, they don't. They come from many places but they never are the vtuber themselves. Whether it is abandonment issues, a need to belong, social pressure from a tyrannical government or just plain unironic inceldom, the reason is always some internal baggage, with a handful of randos pretending to be anime girls being used as scapegoat.

>>13027998
I think he's talking about a rat that involves Sana's roommate being charged with animal abuse. It's easily debunked BS but some retards are still saying it like it's fact

>>13028562
>The sentiments and emotions here don't 100% all just come out of thin air, if you can't stand that fact then maybe you're just fucking weak minded and need to your hugbox of choice. Decrying the entire board as "it's all bait, all schizos" = you are too weak for here.
You haven't been paying attention very well, and the fact that you're defending the worst parts of this board show you have rose-tinted glasses about this shit. They use a small modicum of truth to spew bullshit. Ayame didn't comment on Ina's post? She must hate Koreans. Kiara promoted a new song on someone else's stream? She must be a narcissist. The fact that you equate people calling out blatant bullshit as they should with wanting a hugbox makes me question your ability to be critcal of this board in the way you question others being critical of VTubers.

>No, people can have in-depth interesting conversations even in threads with garbage OPs sometimes. You'd know if you actually gave the board a fair shot.
This very rarely happens in any meaningful capacity, because people get too caught up in their own egos even when the opportunity presents itself. I know you're aware of this too, anon.

>>13028703
Yeah, rats are the animals she abused. Now she only abuses Bae instead.

>>13024336
some gook sent the message lmao

Should've been one week maximum.

>>13027960
Considering it's Australia and they're cracking down on even going outside, the odds of her being arrested are greater than 0%

>>13022835
>public schools desperately need a required, "How not to be retarded online"
I agree, your whole post is proof enough.

>>13028814
>Ayame didn't comment on Ina's post? She must hate Koreans. Kiara promoted a new song on someone else's stream? She must be a narcissist

You come across as either a young/naive person or otherwise a screaming newfag for taking that kind of shit 100% seriously. People shitpost for funnies sometimes, because that's more amusing than the benign boring truth - sometimes a joke is all there is -to- say about something. If the boring truth is "ayame ignored ina because she ignores literally everybody on twitter" then the more amusing thing is making a korean dog hands shitpost about it. Not like I would do that or find that in good taste but some people find it funny. You see, shitposts and troll posts aren't always redditor-friendly flag football, where you go "tee hee trolled!!!!" at the end. You shouldn't need to say it because you should be able to recognize if someone is serious or not by experience.

>>13028667
>>13028703
>>13027960
>>13028791
>>13028816
>>13028920
It's not a fucking rrat. This>>13027674 is more than likely the same faggot in every thread with Sana in it.

It's always the same shit about her getting arrested in Bendigo for attacking animals. Something like that would have been found out way before she even debuted. Cover would have never hired her, and even if they did, no one would support an animal beating psycho.

>>13029126
This changes nothing about anything I said? I literally pointed out that people do this shit to get attention in a previous post. It can be funny, it's usually too low quality to be funny. I don't even think you really disagree, you just enjoy the board while I think it's a sign it's gone to shit.

>>13025942
If /d/ and /trash/ did not exist you'd be seeing A LOT more horrid shit around here.
Would you like to see fat futa MLP Holo scat art?

>>13024336
>95 replies 49 IP

>>13025416
1. it only enforces anti's hatred leaking it directly to them
2. they're attentionfagging with it, you WILL know he's the best [insert]-chan simp
3. they're EN newfags thus delete years old content thinking it's NG when it isn't

>>13025416
It's based as fuck. Power is power and only faggots complain about it

>>13029442
all me

>>13022835
you do realize that youre talking about how not to react to trolls and yet in the same post you're completely flabbergasted over a >fuck you, teehee.

>>13025416
based af considering how cringe antis usually are anyway.

the possibility of it embolding antis and growing their numbers only serve as more fodder to get laughs out of.

>>13027998
She was getting an abortion, Ina's cum is too strong and has to be stopped before she breeds them all.

>>13020613
is dog a codename for boyfriend breakups now?

>>13029442
that's not even 2 posts per ip.
Where do you come from that this ratio is so insane to you?

Noooo

>>13025887
youre dying too fucking loudly

>>13022835
>fan
That wouldn't be you, the actual fans are pleased with her telling you cumstains off, Please keep making threads about it, i'm drinking your tears how a single "Fuck you, tee hee" absolutely was enough to btfo your butt so hard. She could've said more gone harder but just that and you've been crying for days

>>13026262
Too bad there are so many falseflaggers.

>>13029477
Bad example this dude got fucked over shortly after he made this video, Aloe fans pretty much did to him what Aloe antis did to her, He was more or less forced to kneel he even made a follow up apology video to get people to stop.

>>13024336
>
>>13024427
Tranny meidos are all holoEN shitters

>>13025416
Cringe, not only you're doing it for free, you're also being a white knight beta faggot.
Also it means this place becomes more welcoming to newfaggots and redditors
>>13029489
t. tranny meido
>>13030020
t. redditor

>>13026525
You're an autist if you can't get the joke

>>13037651
>>13037457

what the heck is a tranny meido

>>13028756
holy projection

>>13037801

>>13037967
I'm gonna stay and continue posting unaware of all your young people jokes and you can't do anything about it

>>13020613
https://youtu.be/eGVV1ece7CY

>>13022619
Ayame ...

>>13020613
What do you think it would take for Sharkie to say this to her in a Sana/Gura only collab?

>Hey Gura wha----
>HEY SANA YOU'RE DOG DIED LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>13029266
The only thing that your post points out is how you're a fucking newfaggot that doesn't know how to tell what a bait is and wants a heavily moderated safespace like reddit where you can only say positive things about X chuuba.
The only people who are at fault for making this board bad are the stupid newfaggots like you that keeps getting baited and the faggots meidos that thinks this place is reddit

Sana is too lazy to take a month off because her dog died.

>>13027763
You might want to know the difference between a troll and a anti, ledditorchama

>>13024336
King of kings

>>13038270
They say that after your "dog dies", your body needs a bit to recover, and your mind most definitely needs coping time

>>13029442
Seethe tranny

>>13028529
>4chan does enforce pointless negativity/anti behavior through social pressure
You guys keep talking as if the reason for someone disliking a chuuba is everything but the chuuba itself. You blame this website even though this is one o the few places that allows negative discussion without hundreds of trannies and simps getting triggered for you not conforming

The fucking kano thread had 150 replies and 18 IDs the other day, jesus christ

>>13038518
I was up the next day smiling after my grandpa died, a close pet tho, maybe 1 weak to push through the pain, 1 month is so much self pity

>>13038628
week*

I bet none of you have ever raised a dog and cared for it more than a decade
Imagine being this socially inept and thinking everyone else is weird for having regular human behaviors, god I love you tranny faggots, never change you retarded autists, never change :D

>>13038704
If you arent mentally retarded getting over a pets death(yes even if its been with you most of your life) shouldnt take you more than fucking 2 weeks at max

>>13024336
what stream was this posted in? Is there an archive of it?

>>13038628
You realize being a vtuber is a lot of work right? They have to maintain a personality and voice for hours on end while also keeping the chat entertained while also interacting with them. Her dogs death on top of that was likely the breaking point. Please unironically kill yourself

Its weird because i know how much a pet weights into someone, ive had pets that lasted my entire lifespawn and some others i liked so much, but at the end of the day youre fucking famous you australian whore

hundreds of people counting on you little cunt, 1 week should have been enough, not only to wash the pain but to introduce disctractionts to help you get through and be a decent streamer instead of >muh dog died lemme ghost everyone cus im le sad for 6 weeks straight

>>13038779
Some people are less emotionally equipped to handle death compared to others. Also, there could have potentially been some problems with travelling due to Aussie lockdown regulations, but that's speculation.

>>13038815
Youre insanely mentally retarded if you think human will is so weak, specially if youre an adult
Or just mourn and stop doing anything related to previous compromises iike the disfunctional retard you probably are

Unironically you should be the one who kills himself, youre a subhuman

>>13038779
>If you're mentally retarded getting over a pets death(yes even if its been with you most of your life) shouldnt take you more than fucking 2 weeks at max
ftfy
I bet if your entire family was murder in front of you you wouldn't shed a tear, based schizo :)

>>13038961
I wish

>>13038961
Not just family, I think it would work more if anon had everyone they cared about murdered in front of them, because some anons are too autistic to be in a functioning loving family
but if anon is a complete psychotic that has zero value for any other human life then yeah probably wouldn't even flinch, kek

>>13038950
You fucking be a vtuber then dipshit. If you can't do it then you are weak willed by your own definition.

>>13025416
Only if your banning Chinese for leaping over the firewall

>>13038857
Jesus Christ it's only an anime girl who streams video games stop being a sperg.

>>13039043
Why would i do random shit like that you fucking ape

See you just prove to me youre literally mentally disabled by saying stupid shit, you unironically should kill yourself, youre less than human

>>13038240
Now I'm the bad guy, and you're repeating yourself? Fucking pathetic. Keep closing your ears to criticism of this board and we'll be getting closer to your Reddit boogeyman. Also, I literally never said you can only say positive things about VTubers here you projected that nonsense on to me in a shitty attempt to deflect. Be better or fuck off.

>>13038857
>hundreds of people counting on you
For what? She's a streamer, anon, she's not integral to anyone's daily life.

>>13039359
>be getting closer to your Reddit boogeyman
>Be better
good bait

>>13041554
I too can remove context to make a post mean something else entirely.

Five dollars.
That's what you took from me, Sana!
I could have eaten a small cheeseburger with that five dollars, but instead it fell into a vacuous hole of lies and broken promises.
I can never forgive such treachery. This unseemly incident has been a grave insult to my otherwise perfect financial sense. Mark my words, you'll rue the day your precious little doggie, your lifelong companion, died!

>>13042408
Kek.

>>13020684
lots of research

>>13024336
>Gook currency
>Dog akasupa
roru roru rumao basadesu

>>13035022
>the actual fans are pathetic simps
Ftfy

>>13025023
>>13025513
>>13025773
>>13025941
Go back to /reddit/ simp cuck

>>13025416
Cringe as fuck. Abusing your power to larp as a white knight is PEAK simping.

>>13025416
It's based. I'm not saying this under duress.

>>13038809
it's fake

>>13039162
No, fuck you, that's 5 dollars I'm never getting back. I could have spent that on a hotdog or something.

>>13038704
I had a cat I took care for 12 years and she died during the an already terrible low point in my life where I had no support from anyone and was on my own. I'm not a mentally stunted though and didn't throw a pity party for a month. This woman has two stable jobs and most likely an actual support system. Besides the death of the dog, her life seems to be pretty stable. She's acting like her own child just died though. Also screwed people out of 5 dollars. You can say, "it's just 5 dollars" but fuck you that's 5 dollars people are out of that could have been used on literally anything else.

>>13038587
>this is one o the few places that allows negative discussion without hundreds of trannies and simps getting triggered for you not conforming
Not anymore. This place is reddit in all but name.

>>13038961
>>13039037
>calls others schizos while posting this schizo shit
So many of you have zero self awareness...

>>13042408
This but unironically

>>13045596
She definitely has no qualms about taking any and all money she can get from simps

>>13025416
Cringe if it's a ban over proper criticism
Based if it's low effort, like the Marinefaggot that was shitting up /jp/'s thread

>>13035209
good

>>13022835
>public schools desperately need a required, "How not to be retarded online" class
A friend of mine is a teacher at an upper-middle class public school, and they are starting to do this, but not until high school. Wealthier parents want their kids to know how to not sabotage their future or career by being a shithead online.

>>13038857
>hundreds of people counting on you little cunt
just chargeback your $5 dollarydoos nigger, you don't own someone because you gave them $5

>>13024336
Koreans eat dogs don't they?

>>13024336
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SvarR1zE74
check the chat replay at 16:08 ,shit's fake

>>13042408
https://vocaroo.com/119B6nle8yQK

>>13052277
based

>>13022835
Your right, schools need a class for that. But until then, you better start hitting the books yourself anon

>>13053127
>your

>>13035209
it's a reaction image, besides
>we canceled him that means he's wrong

>>13020613
The only people watching Sana are HoloENfags with no taste that watch anyone part of HoloEN anyway.
If Sana was someone that had been around for over a year and actually built her fanbase then yeah I'd agree that suddenly telling her fans to fuck off after a month break would be pretty rude and you might feel "betrayed". But when she only streamed for a few weeks and people only watch her because of the brand who cares? In a way this reminds me of Aloefags.
She was already bottom of the barrel and only fucked herself over even more.

>>13052277
Based villain VA.

>>13024336
Lmfao

Newfags should an sana's dog.

>>13062166
Damn, I didn't know it was that bad.
I'd probably take a month off as well if my dog didn't just die, but seppuku'd himself.

>>13020613
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gx2K3CFQck

TUOT

>>13028059
>fuck you, tee hee

>w*yjak poster
Go home tourist

>>13037691
I still don't get it and yes, I'm autistic.
Is it funny in an ironic sense in that it shouldn't be funny but it's a joke therefore it's funny? Maybe I just have shit humour? Please do enlighten me.

why are people so obsessed with sana's dog

>>13066338
something about white women and their pet dogs...

when did she say it?

>>13063115
It all started with this SC exchange during Gura's Bathtub Pizza stream. Ever since then, "My Dog Died Let's GOOOOOO" has been something of a rallying cry against the sending of sob story SCs.
The real kicker here is that Gura saw the second superchat and started laughing at the absurdity of the SC from Skeleton Doomguy without the context of the previous superchat.
Unfortunately, at the end of the "Sana Is Missing" arc, the meme seems to have been twisted into a perverse method of mocking Sana for being beset by such unfortunate circumstances that just so happened to exactly mirror an established EN meme.

>>13066338
Because people keep replying to it. Plus it has the bonus point of keeping normies out.

>>13052277
kek'd and check'd

>>13028289
thats what makes vt so REAL. we aint scared niggas afraid of hatin. HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE

>>13066979
Sana isn't white, and neither is her roommate.

>>13073951
he HATES it

>>13028289
Not Kiwifarms

>>13074204
悔しい

>sana = chink
>chink = dog eater
>sana =dog eater

>>13076677
sana is a seanigger, not a chink.
I don't know if a seanigger eats dogs.

>>13073951
this board is so fucking retarded that i cant even tell if if people are being ironic anymore. well done

>>13020613
How can we help her cure such trauma guys?

>>13076968
I know for a fact Vietnamese "people" do

>>13076968
she's a chink, doesn't matter if she's from SEA. chink blood.

She's so unlucky. Well, at least she's the only brown-skinned, big breasted, Australian chuuba with a four-lettered name beginning with "S" and ending with "a". What are the chances of her being challenged there?

>>13024427
Because it didn't happen. Someone just edited this image. No one has yet to link a timestamp of this incident

>>13066338
It's only been a month and a half, we're still grieving. Have some respect

I mean pet dying sucks but a whole month? Was the dog her boyfriend or something?

>>13076677
Don't use Mr. Bubz for your shitposts.

>>13052277
KEK

why are people even here when they hate vtubers? It's like going to a library when you hate books and telling everyone there how much you hate reading. I seriously don't understand it.

>>13044992
That was just shitposting

>>13020613
weak move